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Myths in the USSR and Russia about life in the West

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I will try to refute the myth (and its origins in the USSR) about how well life was in the West. Where did it go to the masses and what did it lead to?


Let's start with how a citizen of the Union and the CMEA countries could get acquainted with Western life with their own eyes. Firstly, from television reports and newspapers, in general, from the official media. Secondly, it does not matter with regard to the packaging of Western goods: widespread and not so popular and their quality (and more on that separately), whether they were smuggled inside the USSR or not. Thirdly, during a business trip or a tourist trip to a capital country. There were no other options available.

And on the basis of these data, the person compared how it is there and how it is living here. And he made the appropriate conclusions.

We will not dive into conclusions about what the average inhabitant of Eastern Europe of the CMEA countries thought. For example, in the same Albania, life, in the USSR, and in France, seemed equally beautiful against the background of theirs, Albanian.

Let's focus on the perception of everything that a Soviet citizen saw from available sources. And also on what he could learn from this about the life of the same ordinary inhabitant of the capital country.

Of the above information sources, the first two reflected only 5-15% of objective information in general. The third source gave more information, of course. But again the question arises - what kind of information? It's one thing to study the West professionally: with an eye to understanding and introducing useful things in your country, and another thing is to simply contemplate the beauties of nature on a tour.

Let's take a closer look.

Media


Undoubtedly, many (who lived in the Soviet Union) remember how we stuck to the screens when the “Film Travelers Club” and “International Review” were shown on TV. What could we see there, besides the essence of the shown plot itself? Men - cars, roads, various equipment and technical process in production (when it slipped through). Women, on the other hand, looked out for fashion, residents' clothes and kitchen little things.

How much did it give in terms of a depth of understanding of life in each shown country? Well, if a person after the TV program did not start a personal in-depth study of the topic, then, in general, this gave the people a grain of knowledge about the West. In any country, there are very few such in-depth seekers of the essence. And for the majority of the population, only what I have listed above is enough.

Consumer goods


Undoubtedly, we looked at these things as the Papuans looked at beads and mirrors. And largely because of the catchy design of consumer goods. And also due to the lack of diversity of the same goods in the Soviet Union (this sector was then in an embryonic state). Why? Let's leave this behind the scenes.

We will only touch on the quality of consumer goods that a Soviet citizen managed to acquire. Here it should first be noted that such goods were rare and expensive in the Union, and accordingly, the attitude towards them was especially careful.

Although there (in the homeland of imported goods) it could be the most obvious cheap in terms of quality. But here the same product was automatically exalted to the skies - in comparison with the same analogue, but the Soviet one.

I remember a case from my family's experience. In the year 1982 (plus or minus), a batch of beautiful imported slippers (analogous to our Czech women. Well, who remembers what kind of shoes they are) was brought to the bus depot as a bonus to the drivers of city buses and other production leaders.

So, everything was outwardly beautiful, the packaging shines and sparkles with color. It happened that out of two pairs, one was washed somehow. So she just disappeared into the washing machine. It was decided to take the second pair to school and translate the inscription on their packaging. Then they laughed for a long time. Since those slippers were intended for the dead. But, nevertheless, this pair of Czech shoes, when carefully worn, lived for 5 years. At the same time, penny Soviet Czech women in the "slaughter" mode served 2-3 years quietly.

The conclusion from this digression, I think, is clear - the careful exploitation of any cheap product makes its service long. And multiplied by expensive imports - and, in general, almost eternal. Which does not tell us at all about the initially high quality of this product.

But imports were still considered better here. Just because it is import.

And, by the way, a few words about this very quality of consumer goods imported into the USSR legally through foreign trade. Many people are still conscientiously mistaken, thinking that all imports from the West went to the Union as contraband. This is not true. And it is refuted by the official data of the USSR on purchases of consumer goods in capital countries.

At all kinds of construction sites of the century and in closed towns, as well as in completely open cities and villages, imports from far abroad appeared: somewhere more often, somewhere less often. But he was.

I remember when I was six I bought a huge colorful set "Imported Designer" for 3 rubles. And this was in the village of Poperechnoye, Kamensky District, Altai Territory. In an absolutely unremarkable village, of which there were millions throughout the country. And in Barnaul, we took canned pineapples and squids without queues in the summer at a quite ordinary grocery store. It is clear that not every day, but in the summer we had these goods in the grocery store.

There is also an important detail to understand. The Soviet Union officially purchased only high-quality consumer goods. That in itself formed an image of the superiority of capitalist goods among the population: after all, we were fenced off from a huge wave of frankly low-quality their junk. It was simply impossible to compare and understand what's what, good or bad product. Plus neatness to rare things. And again we get a cliché in my head that our products were worse.

I do not argue with statements that the quality of our goods was not very good. Well, so today in the West there are conditionally Maybach / Maybach and cars Ligier / Ligier. And so in all product groups. We did not have such strong imbalances.

Total. What from the considered second way could an ordinary citizen understand about the life of capitalist countries? And even less than in the first case.

Tourism


Traveling to the capitalist country on a tour package or on a business trip. It is somewhat more complicated here, since the bell towers (both the field of view and the openness of the brains), as well as the awareness of people from this category, vary greatly.

Let's start with tourists. Where, by definition, are the tourists taken? What do we have, what do they have? Right. In tourist areas - look at different beauties. The amount of tinsel and external glitter in such places will, by definition, go off scale at times in comparison with the ordinary life of the country.

Electronics in Akihabara, for example, is much more expensive than anywhere else in Japan. Outward gloss, livability, vodka and nesting dolls are many times better on a tour of the Golden Ring than in any other city in our country in the “souvenirs” department. Especially when viewed from the sightseeing bus window.

What will a citizen or an artist of large and small theaters think of himself, having been on a tour at that time? In addition to the external tinsel, he will not see anything (in fact), but he strongly believes in the superiority of the capital country in everyday life. It is because of this tinsel and facade. After all, then it was problematic for a Soviet person to freely walk around the country, due to the actions of the intelligence services, not least of all.

Therefore, at least superficially to compare personally what is behind the tinsel, it was difficult (and seekers, as we understood, are always few). But the conclusions were unambiguous: they say, they live there, but we have sandals and we do not produce anything except galoshes.

Business trip


Those citizens who had been to the West for work and work could more clearly see the difference between the screen of tourist places and the real life of the population of the host country. Some - because of their official duties, and who, like sailors and journalists - because of the long total time spent. And upon arrival in the Union, they told what and how it actually works there. But there were few of those from the entire Union. And their voice was almost inaudible in the general mass of tinsel lovers at that time.

For example, here is a photo of the famous photographer Nick Hedges, taken in the working quarters of the English city of Birmingham in 1970. And these are residential areas of a large industrial center in Great Britain. The houses belong to a large enterprise where these people work. Mick Jagger grew up in such an area and says he joined the gang before he could write. And it was massive, and not isolated cases.

And now we recall the conditions in which the Soviet worker lived at the same time, and in large numbers.

The same applies to the automotive industry, machine tools and more.

Both in our country and in the West there were middle peasants and outstanding specimens. The Union was actively purchasing various machinery and equipment for comparison. Based on the test results, I ordered the best or took a production license.

We bought a lot of finished products (for example, Magirus), also with machines. At the same time, it is hushed up in the mass opinion that the Union also sold many of its machine tools and other things to the West, and not just to the CMEA countries and Africa. What if our product was unusable? They wouldn't take it. However, they bought it very willingly, which indicates its relevance.

By the way, newspapers and TV regularly brought to us this dark side of the gloss of capstran packaging. But now you yourself understand what the opinion of the media is, when a person himself cannot compare with his own eyes. What are the stories of a few skilled workers, military men and journalists against large masses of the population, which in many respects refuses to believe and perceive it? And also against the background of the then prosperity and, seeing the shiny beads in their hands, people simply believed that this propaganda was fooling them, and that this (bad in the West) simply could not be.

Now let's remember what categories of citizens of the USSR were actively drowned for the idea of ​​superiority of the capitalist countries over the USSR during perestroika? Small-scale actors and officials, mostly. And the loudest. And what could they, in fact, know about the real problems of the capitalist countries? And what were they able, in general, to discern in episodic trips to shops exclusively in the sector of the same external tinsel?

In principle, professionals were not given the floor. And those who made their way to the media were very quickly defamed and booed by the whole crowd. And today it is the same. Let's remember the videos about joyful pensioners who want to work on the central TV channels.

As a result, a noisy minority, in pursuit of personal philistine happiness, ruined millions and a great country.

What such a one-sided belief in shiny beads leads to, we citizens of the USSR are still seeing.

And in England, such an attitude towards their population in the 70s backfired in the future by the IRA group and Ulster in the 80s ...
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 22 December 2020 05: 12
    +18
    The Union sold many of its machine tools and other things to the West, and not just to the CMEA countries and Africa. What if our product was unusable? They wouldn't take it. However, they bought it very willingly, which indicates its relevance.
    Putin said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, and he himself, not on a Boeing, flies ...
    1. Machito
      Machito 22 December 2020 05: 24
      +30
      Imported consumer electronics were better than ours. And that jeans could not be sewn for the people? Co-operators in the late eighties coped with this task. In general, it was a big mistake: the lack of consumer goods. Food products in the USSR were of the highest quality and only natural, no chemicals.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 22 December 2020 05: 28
        +4
        These were not jeans, but just imitations) fabrics and accessories are real, as if for jeans where to get them?) All samopal.
        1. Plastmaster
          Plastmaster 22 December 2020 07: 31
          +9
          Hernyass, were normal. Now almost everyone wears them.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 22 December 2020 08: 34
            +41
            ... myth (and its origins in the USSR) about how well life was in the West. Where did it come from to the masses and what did it lead to?

            The USSR itself unwittingly produced the myth of the beautiful and prosperous West. After all, we were shown only the best Western films, carefully selected from the general mass of chernukha. We imported only high-quality and branded things, which now cannot be found in our stores bursting with imports. Why, the West, even Chinese things in the USSR were sold of excellent quality, if anyone remembers - shirts and raincoats ... And then it turned out that there was, basically, "crazy China".

            Well, after that, how can a person who has never been there (in the West) not believe in a bike, how cool everything is there? Moreover, these bikes were very popular.
            1. KCA
              KCA 22 December 2020 10: 49
              +2
              That's right, a Chinese down jacket, bought somewhere in the late 80s and now you can put on and go outside, looks quite decent, well, like a modern Chinese down jacket, the down does not fit anywhere, there are some abrasions on the sleeves and everything hangs in the closet , do not throw away
            2. Bourgeois 1963
              Bourgeois 1963 22 December 2020 10: 57
              +23
              Yes, a person who visited the West in those years came from there with a complete break in templates. My baht as a communist and progressively growing leader was given a ticket in 1980 - a cruise in the Mediterranean with a visit to Greece, Yugoslavia, Italy, and Turkey. Dad came from there a little crazy, for twenty-five dollars exchanged, two bottles of vodka and a camera, he brought a luxurious coffee service, jeans for himself and for mom, mom a summer dress, me a shirt and Puma sneakers. If all the goods that he brought to sell, it would be possible to gain at least 1000 rubles. I have been doing light speculation since 1979. That is, as you know, I had some experience in saturating the commodity shortage in the late USSR. Therefore, I can say for sure that more than 90% of consumer goods produced in the Soviet Union were complete and shabby junk. If I am wrong, please explain why an average man in 1979 paid 250 rubles for his American trousers - the monthly salary of an average worker. And yet, why in the country of universal prosperity and abundance the people came up with such a rhyme, reflecting the real essence of life - "Whoever wears the Adidas firm and shaves his face with a Chic razor, any woman will give that, and maybe even a man."
              1. Squelcher
                Squelcher 22 December 2020 15: 22
                +8
                In 1994 I came to Japan for the first time, a break in the template about the best in the whole country in the world, that propaganda in the USSR worked just fine, I felt like a savage frantically looking for a flush handle on the toilet (photocells), a break in the template, that the Japanese were working household appliances put on the street and pay extra for recycling when they buy a new one, even an economy class Corolla '85, as our penny came with climate control, with hydromechanical transmission and power accessories.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 22 December 2020 20: 20
                  +5
                  Science says that all societies all countries of the world are made up of the same groups. These groups, of course, are different in size, but they are the same everywhere. And, unfortunately, the group of active, intelligent and literate people with a positive charge is the smallest, and the largest is the group of indifferent and passive illiterate philistines, who are busy only with solving personal problems. And this is always used by cunning false guides-deceivers. They destroyed the USSR, which needed NOT to fall apart and destroy, but to improve and develop, led the crowds on a hike for free "shiny beads" ...

                  Unfortunately, people have not yet learned to distinguish between who is the true leader of the people and who is the modern "pop Gapon". And is there now the real people's leaders?
                  1. Squelcher
                    Squelcher 23 December 2020 00: 01
                    +1
                    In fact, the USSR, despite certain successes in some areas, collapsed for many reasons, ranging from structural and economic and political imbalances and constant lies for the sake of ideology, the history of the Second World War, an example of this still cannot be determined with losses.
                    Joseph Stalin - he named the figure of 7 million.
                    The USSR commission under the leadership of the chairman of the State Planning Committee Nikolai Voznesensky presented to the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) a figure of 15,4 million dead.
                    Nikita Khrushchev named the figure 20 million.
                    That is why the population has lost faith in the communists, and it is much more difficult to regain trust than it is to earn, it is practically impossible.
                    Vladimir, what's wrong with philistinism?
                    It is analogous to the modern middle class.
                    By the way, one of the most important elements of society.
                    The name “bourgeoisie” was defined as: “city dwellers”, “middle-class people”, small traders and artisans. The petty-bourgeois estate in terms of position stood below the merchant class. It was the burghers who owned most of the city's real estate. As the main payers of taxes and taxes, the bourgeoisie, along with the merchants, belonged to the category of “correct urban inhabitants”.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 23 December 2020 12: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: Squelcher
                      Vladimir, what's wrong with philistinism?

                      In philistinism, narrow-minded redneck thinking is bad (not all, of course, but most of them). Because of this, "philistine thinking" became a household name. And so yes, this is the middle class, most of the population and the main taxpayers.

                      You "cannot" decide on losses in the Great Patriotic War. And it has long been known that they are a little less than 27 million people.

                      And about the collapse of the USSR, you are convinced that you are NOT right: there are many reasons, but basic the reason is the betrayal of the top. You, as an enemy of the USSR and the CPSU, will, of course, disagree with this. As a person who has lived most of his life in the USSR and a witness to everything, I am firmly convinced of my words.
                      1. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 23 December 2020 15: 08
                        -1
                        Well, who do you think brazenly and unscrupulously lied about the losses of the Second World War, Stalin? Khrushchev? Or Nikolai Voznesensky? Can you tell me with all your confidence?
                        Here you me in the enemies of "bourgeois-payer of taxes" recorded interestingly but today's image of the Communist Party-Communist Party of Russia 70 percent of the budget is sponsored.
                        It is so easy to dump your guilt and incompetence and laziness on an ephemeral enemy.
                        Ask yourself to begin with - the apartment was happily privatized, if so, how are you different from Chubais, or is a thief not a thief on trifles? Did you not yawn at party meetings with you actively participating? Not a bolt - not a nut needed on the farm from the factory? Did you get a second free higher education to be useful to a socialist society?
                        If at least one of the questions is yes, then you are one of the traitors and a participant in the collapse of the USSR.

                        What kind of system did the communists build where the KGB was? Where were the real communists to stop the collapse? At least one guerrilla unit?
            3. Aag
              Aag 22 December 2020 17: 41
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              ... myth (and its origins in the USSR) about how well life was in the West. Where did it come from to the masses and what did it lead to?

              The USSR itself unwittingly produced the myth of the beautiful and prosperous West. After all, we were shown only the best Western films, carefully selected from the general mass of chernukha. We imported only high-quality and branded things, which now cannot be found in our stores bursting with imports. Why, the West, even Chinese things in the USSR were sold of excellent quality, if anyone remembers - shirts and raincoats ... And then it turned out that there was, basically, "crazy China".

              Well, after that, how can a person who has never been there (in the West) not believe in a bike, how cool everything is there? Moreover, these bikes were very popular.

              "... even Chinese things in the USSR were sold of excellent quality, if anyone remembers - shirts and raincoats ..."
              Forgot Chinese lanterns, thermos, sneakers, ping-pong balls))) ...
              If anything, the Baltics, 78 years old, and beyond
              And in the 90s, already in Irkutsk, greatcoats were exchanged for miserable down jackets (and they were for happiness), and children's fur coats from khanurik ...
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 22 December 2020 10: 38
          +11
          In the early 80s he was sent on a business trip to Kherson. I flew through Moscow. I went to see my cousin ... Dressed in jeans, a corduroy jacket ... Sister, knowing that I am from Sakhalin, will declare: Dressed with a needle, still Japanese! And I will take it and show the label: "Kholmsk sewing factory BO"
          So much for japan shmutka! laughing
          1. Anachoret
            Anachoret 22 December 2020 16: 41
            +3
            Probably, your cousin flattered you) but in such port and seaman cities as Odessa and Kherson in the 80s it was not surprising to surprise anyone with corduroy, jeans, Italian sneakers and even Japanese down jackets. Since the merchant fleet in the Union was well developed and almost every family had a relative of a sailor.

            And what about propaganda. Recently, a couple of Morning Mail issues have surfaced in recommendations on YouTube TV. You cannot imagine a more subservient to the "West" and anti-Soviet program. When, in the interval between all sorts of mediocrities such as cipher, "unfinished secrets" and a rotary behind a sewing machine riding a cart riding through the village, suddenly a picture with combed foreign shiny treats slips through. There is no better propaganda for the West.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 23 December 2020 01: 15
              +3
              Quote: Anchorite
              Flattered you
              And I mean that jeans and a jacket, indistinguishable from the firm, were sewn in our CCD!
        3. zenion
          zenion 22 December 2020 19: 46
          -1
          You are not aware of the fact that at the beginning of Khrushch's time, that is, even before him, work suits were sewn that cost the old money, before Khrushch played with the ruble from 60 to 80 rubles and they were brownish in color and were called canvas suits. The same canvas from which jeans were made in the USA. They did not sew blue, because these suits, like jeans in the States, were for work. Then Khrushchu did not like it, it was ugly to work in suits and began to sew overalls.
        4. Jager
          Jager 23 December 2020 07: 03
          +1
          So buy now real imported quality branded jeans, not Chinese or Turkish consumer goods with a service life of a year or two. You will not find)))
      2. Far B
        Far B 22 December 2020 05: 32
        +24
        And that jeans could not be sewn for the people? Co-operators in the late eighties coped with this task
        And for this, a special thanks to the Kukuruznik, who liquidated the artisanal and handicraft production. If it were not for his activities, the same shopkeepers would not have had to work underground, meeting the demand for jeans (and very high quality) and other consumer goods. And the artel workers would probably cope with the production of household appliances, especially if we remember who made the first TV in the USSR.
        1. Machito
          Machito 22 December 2020 05: 42
          +14
          Yes, cooperatives could easily cope with consumer goods, dacha construction, and electronics: many talented engineers worked at defense enterprises. Even now, the Japanese Nakamishi looks like cheap junk with a disgusting sound compared to the Russian High End. As a matter of fact, China followed exactly this development path: large private enterprises grew out of cooperatives, and not as a result of the predatory privatization of state property.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 22 December 2020 05: 57
            0
            You would also compare with Panasonic))) try to put something next to this brand of Bowers & Wilkins))) equipment of this level, and even more so calling it High-End has never been in the Union. It is generally even now in the world of one. Cost starting from 10000 euros for one component)))
            1. Machito
              Machito 22 December 2020 06: 45
              +15
              Quote: carstorm 11
              You would also compare with Panasonic))) try to put something next to this brand of Bowers & Wilkins))) equipment of this level, and even more so calling it High-End has never been in the Union. It is generally even now in the world of one. Cost starting from 10000 euros for one component)))

              In 2001, at my MTUCI Institute, at the Russian High-End exhibition, I saw our technology: lamps with two fists, silver soldering, green marble columns, price 2000 dollars. And Nakamishi connected one moneybag in the villa: plastic speakers, price 50 dollars. The Japanese sound against ours is about nothing at all, we have silver and marble, and the Japs have a fancy plastics.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 00
                0
                Hi-FI even the most expensive is still not High-End) no matter how much it costs)
                1. Machito
                  Machito 22 December 2020 07: 25
                  +8
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Hi-FI even the most expensive is still not High-End) no matter how much it costs)

                  The high-end has a different sound, only the sound source (recording) must also be of high quality.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 34
                    -2
                    Who can argue with that) the sound is different in everything) I communicated with serious DJs like that. From them that just didn’t pluck))))
                    1. Fan-fan
                      Fan-fan 22 December 2020 12: 07
                      +18
                      I apologize for getting in, but I cannot remain silent. I am an old radio amateur and somewhere in 1990 a friend bought Japanese sound equipment in a Moscow thrift store: it looks chic and shiny, and I looked at the electrical circuit diagram of the device and was horrified - the cheapest. I have also taken apart my Yamaha NF50 speakers and howled quietly with boredom when I saw the details inside, despite the fact that I saw the excellent insides of the Soviet S-90 speakers.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 22 December 2020 12: 15
                        -5
                        And this is quite possible) which only people were not forced to)
                      2. Kart
                        Kart 22 December 2020 17: 26
                        +2
                        As an old radio amateur, let me remind you about the parameters of the details, in particular the transistors.
                        So, for example, the scheme of the output stage on imported parts, in comparison with the same on the Soviet ones, has always been simple.
                        All only due to the high parameters of the transistors themselves. Where they had one - our parts required 2, plus a preliminary cascade, plus some other thermal stabilization ...
                        And still it burned.
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 00
                +5
                We, of course, all care about how the damned bourgeoisie rot behind a puddle. laughing

                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: lexus
                  We, of course, all care about how the damned bourgeoisie rot behind a puddle.

                  I remember a homeless person was brought from New York.
                  So he escaped a week later laughing
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 20
                    +12
                    Sergei hi , I believe. Almost the same story happened with Depardieu. wassat
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 27
                      -2
                      Quote: lexus
                      , I believe. Almost the same story happened with Depardieu.

                      Why not believe.
                      There was such a hype in the paessa ... But he took it and left
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 32
                        +9
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Quote: lexus
                        , I believe. Almost the same story happened with Depardieu.

                        Why not believe.
                        There was such a hype in the paessa ... But he took it and left

                        I sold two free huts - now in kind an honorable bum of Russia. winked
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: lexus
                        I sold two free huts - now in kind an honorable bum of Russia.

                        Probably laughing
              3. Machito
                Machito 22 December 2020 07: 27
                +2
                Quote: lexus
                We, of course, all care about how the damned bourgeoisie rot behind a puddle. laughing


                To understand and to forgive drinks
                1. Civil
                  Civil 22 December 2020 07: 36
                  +10
                  These were not jeans, but just imitations) fabrics and accessories are real, as if for jeans where to get them?) All samopal.

                  These are just pants, casual pants - nothing more. Just for some reason they have become fashionable. So "real" is primarily what you can wear.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 22 December 2020 09: 18
                    +4
                    Lagging behind, comrade! smile
                    During the Soviet era, jeans were officially marketed as work wear, not casual. Why, if by a miracle it was possible to find somewhere in the Soviet trade, these "overalls" cost in the amount of the monthly salary of a Soviet person - no one explained this ...
                2. Lexus
                  Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 38
                  +5
                  Familiar fellow traffic cops to the question "What to do with you?" I reproduced this phrase for sure. Those neighing, returned the documents and wished a good journey. drinks
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 50
                    -2
                    Quote: lexus
                    Those neighing, returned the documents and wished a good journey.

                    Well done laughing
                  2. evgen1221
                    22 December 2020 08: 31
                    +2
                    Yes, this phrase is epic and helps a lot of people and in what situations. Galustyan for this alone will be remembered and respected for a long time!
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 08: 48
                      -1
                      Only today I watched this video on YouTube laughing
            2. Jager
              Jager 23 December 2020 07: 05
              0
              20 years have passed. What are the lamps now, everything is Chinese ...
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 38
            +2
            Bowers & Wilkins
            Even now there are only one in the world

            Therefore, there is no point in comparing ..
            And then we will begin to equate the auto industry with the trash of the probe, etc.

            Just here Panasonic is much more appropriate for an ordinary consumer ..

            Shl .. at the expense of units in the world, too much, of course .. except for the Nautilus ..
            Our B&W only in the showroom was full of all sorts of things .. And the frank "slag" in the form of ceiling frameless for shopping centers in general darkness ..
            1. Jager
              Jager 23 December 2020 07: 08
              0
              The market settled down and retailers filled the country with Chinese squalor, compared with which Panasonic is an unattainable height.
          3. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 22 December 2020 21: 54
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            You would also compare with Panasonic))) try to put something next to this brand of Bowers & Wilkins))) equipment of this level, and even more so calling it High-End has never been in the Union. It is generally even now in the world of one. Cost starting from 10000 euros for one component)))

            "Stand, Dawn, stand!" (c) from anecdote)))
            High-End in the USSR WAS !!! and there is no need to poison the stories here))) another, the question is, yes, it started from 1000 rubles for the money of that time, it was not enough and not everyone got it
            1. Kart
              Kart 23 December 2020 09: 35
              +1
              Please provide at least one hi-end brand from the USSR.
              Well, "from 1000 rubles" is the salary of an engineer for about 8 months.
              So yes - not everyone got it.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 December 2020 09: 46
        +8
        satisfying the demand for jeans (and, moreover, very high quality)
        in 1984 on vacation in Leningrad bought jeans. after two washings it became, such abusive words humanity did not come up with.
        1. evgen1221
          22 December 2020 10: 02
          +5
          You probably ran into Odessa or Central Asian workshop workers. There was such a thing))))
      4. Andrey Pozdnyakov
        Andrey Pozdnyakov 22 December 2020 13: 29
        0
        I strongly agree
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 05: 54
      -6
      Quote: Bearded
      And that jeans could not be sewn for the people?

      And then they went to Moscow for those. Resolve the Texas disgrace yourself
      Anecdote from those times
      Two came from the village to Moscow for jeans
      - Boy, do you have jixes?
      - No, only chuasy.
      And this I read and remember in "Youth"
      "White truysers on zippers, with a cool label on a left pocket"
      In the mid-80s, the Germans were building a camp here. Their jeans were work clothes.
      They handed it over to the line, they did not take it back. They brought it to us like rags in bags. Without buttons and zippers. Naturally all this was carried home
    3. apro
      apro 22 December 2020 06: 07
      -1
      Quote: Bearded
      Imported consumer electronics were better than ours. And that jeans could not be sewn for the people?

      That is why the Russians chose freedom, having destroyed the USSR, for beads ... and mirrors ...
      Everyone considered the USSR for them, but not for the USSR.
      1. Torins
        Torins 22 December 2020 06: 54
        +11
        In general, this is how it should be, the state is for people, not people for the state. It is not just that those in power are called the servants of the people.
        1. apro
          apro 22 December 2020 06: 59
          -3
          Quote: Torins
          In general, this is how it should be, the state is for people, not people for the state. It is not just that those in power are called the servants of the people.

          So the USSR was not a state for such people. If these people believed that they owed them. And they had nothing to do with it.
          The USSR was a people's state. And no one had servants. The people should decide and implement decisions.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 22 December 2020 08: 32
            -1
            Quote: apro
            The USSR was a people's state. And no one had servants. The people should decide and implement decisions.

            Is it written with a hangover?
            1. apro
              apro 22 December 2020 08: 41
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              Is it written with a hangover?

              What's wrong? Have you read the Constitution of the USSR?
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 22 December 2020 08: 59
                +7
                I not only read it, I taught it. But there was a difference between word and deed, and a very big one. The people, for example, were not admitted to the special clinic of the OK KPSS, to the 4th floor of our chief department store, to the OK dining room ... A cleaning lady with a salary of 90 rubles. in the regional committee (as elsewhere) she received a bonus of 100 rubles by the summer, while in other institutions the cleaners did not receive any bonuses. Well, etc. etc. So the "servants of the people" could decide everything secretly in their own interests, and the people received slogans and directives like "The people and the party are united." Yeah, united ...
                1. apro
                  apro 22 December 2020 09: 03
                  +6
                  Quote: kalibr
                  I not only read it, I also taught it

                  For such words, minus is obligatory. And you went to the party for a special ration or to build communism? And you see, at that time, they did not report ...
                  Quote: kalibr
                  But there was a difference between word and deed, and a very big one.

                  And today I can clearly see this difference ...
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 22 December 2020 12: 19
                    +8
                    Yes, there were special shops for the party elite in the USSR, special hospitals and other special services, even at the meat-packing plant there was a special workshop that makes "real" sausage. But these privileges can hardly be compared with what is happening now.
                    1. Bourgeois 1963
                      Bourgeois 1963 22 December 2020 14: 17
                      -1
                      What's going on now? Earn money and buy whatever you want. Whether you want to drive a Porsche or a Maybach. So I managed to buy my first car VAZ-2101 for a normal price only because my father's brother, Uncle Sasha, received a ticket for it as a participant in the Great Patriotic War. And if not for this case, at least two prices would have to be paid.
                    2. Fat
                      Fat 22 December 2020 15: 17
                      +1
                      Dear Alexander. And I was lucky. Father, as the Veteran of Stalingrad, was promised a lot, but he chose a sheer trifle - subscription publications, in exchange for dubious coupons. Such is he "Kazel" wassat
                    3. Jager
                      Jager 23 December 2020 07: 31
                      +2
                      And now, as a veteran, you will only receive "a plastic broom from the country."
              2. Jager
                Jager 23 December 2020 07: 28
                +1
                At that time, such a stratification was considered enormous. Now it's funny.
        2. Bourgeois 1963
          Bourgeois 1963 22 December 2020 14: 05
          +4
          Sometimes reading the reviews it seems to me that in the universe there is a fourth and maybe a fifth dimension. Someone turns out to have lived in the USSR where partgenos with angel wings fluttered over the hard working people, uttering the wise and incorruptible thoughts of Vladimir Ilyich, and even forgot to have breakfast and dinner, so as not to break away from the selfless construction of communism. I also lived in the USSR, but it was the Soviet Union from another dimension. In it, a factory worker and a party apparatus worker, even the weight of the money was different. At that time, I had a friend whose dad held a middle position in the regional regional committee of the CPSU. Their family lived as it should be for the family of a party worker, in a three-room apartment for three, with an improved layout with a view from the window to the monument to Lenin, which indicated where everyone should go. This sign was, of course, on the central square of the city. I do not know how much Volodya's father earned, I think, not many times more than a working metallurgist, but at the same time he could buy any products at a nominal price, any imported industrial goods, in general, everything for which the rest of the people overpayed if they wanted to have or did not have at all ... I myself bought a Moldovan Marlboro from Vladimir, at 17 rubles per block. The Roma cost 30 rubles a block.
          1. Fat
            Fat 22 December 2020 16: 20
            +7
            Thank you, Particularly of course, But HOW capacious! laughing fellow
            However, I would ... I bought a Moldovan Marlboro from Vladimir, at 17 rubles per block. The Roma cost 30 rubles a block..
            When, damn it! Moldavian at the state price of about 80 kopecks, vintage bottled oklo 1r 80 kopecks ... and the farther east, the more boring .... Summary, Alexander, Tips Didn't find you! Or do you have them?
            From personal 1980 (!) The price of a pack of cigarettes:
            marlboro - 1 rub to 1.50 in 1982 and accordingly.
            Camel - 1 rub - 1.50
            Bond - 80 kopecks. -1.20 (up to 1.40)
            The rest is: "sama-sama" (c)
            Bulgarian from 14 to 45 kopecks (BT - max in 1980) ... And this is not at all something that even sniffing is not high ... And the aroma of "Virginia" ...
            Without a doubt, I respect and accept your opinion ...
            The Roma cost 30 rubles a block.

            Bourgeois! block of what!? ... and ... When? I, personally, drove all the "Blessed 90s" on my tailbone, but what was earlier ... a millimeter from the criminal ... crying
            Excuse me, I am a little "bad", but I did not smell the kitchen of the late 80s, very early 90s from the entrance of a distant high-rise building
            1. Bourgeois 1963
              Bourgeois 1963 22 December 2020 18: 24
              -1
              Andrey Borisovich, in my opinion, at the moment you are too carried away by bottled soldier ... I wrote about the cost of a block of cigarettes produced by the Kishinev tobacco factory of the Moldavian SSR. The loyal cost of a block of cigarettes at that time in our city was up to 2 rubles, the Gypsies sold for three. Our city was rich, and speculative prices for certain types of goods could easily be more expensive than in depressed regions. For example, when I entered the army in 1981, the Leninakan border guard detachment, the cost of a box of matches in the city of Leninakan was 10 kopecks, while the cost of 1 kopeck was at our home. At the same time, the city stores were full of imported perfumes, velor suits, micro velveteen jeans and stylish fashion shoes. The last three positions were produced by local guild workers. I reported this commodity disproportion to my friends and comrades, and in our city the Leninakan commodity went with a double rise, minus transportation costs. Already at the outpost, the "piece" said that the Armenians from the nearest village offered him to replace the barrel of herring with a new Zaporozhets, I do not know whether he was telling the truth or not.
              1. Fat
                Fat 22 December 2020 20: 08
                0
                You will forgive, I hope, for some extra rigidity. It is impossible to somehow assess the "quotes" of speculators by region. And yes, there is no way to separate "counterfeit" and "bottled company" ...
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 47
        +6
        not people for the state. It is not just that those in power are called the servants of the people.

        It's a paradox .. in Soviet times, they didn't seem to name those in power ..
        But they call it now .. when they openly despise the people ..
        And right now - people for the state !!
      3. Aag
        Aag 22 December 2020 18: 55
        0
        Quote: Torins
        In general, this is how it should be, the state is for people, not people for the state. It is not just that those in power are called the servants of the people.

        "... It's not just that those in power are called the servants of the people ..."
        They called it ... And then, with self-irony. What to say about now ...
        1. Kart
          Kart 23 December 2020 09: 38
          -1
          And this despite the fact that then the government itself was from the people. Is it a state that is thoroughly popular?
          All are completely former workers, combine operators, just collective farmers. From the plow so to speak.
          And suddenly - with self-irony ...
    4. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 08: 40
      +9
      They believed that the country was for them, and for this we should thank Suslov and his comrades. The upbringing of the population is a constant and difficult process, it is impossible to forget about it, because many ties that bind society as a whole begin to collapse. Stalin still said-Communism is not a dogma once and for all with all the answers, it must constantly develop-stopping death is similar. Stop and death to everything. (Retelling the meaning in his own words)
      1. apro
        apro 22 December 2020 08: 44
        +3
        Quote: evgen1221
        They believed that the country was for them, and for this we should thank Suslov and his comrades.

        So they deserve what they have now, and they are guilty to look for their favorite Russian occupation.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 22 December 2020 09: 00
          0
          Quote: apro
          So they deserve what they have now, and they are guilty to look for their favorite Russian occupation.

          And here you are 100% right. You +
          1. apro
            apro 22 December 2020 09: 04
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            And here you are 100% right. You +

            Why do you want to renegade? You got yours ...
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 22 December 2020 09: 50
              +1
              Quote: apro
              Why do you want to renegade? You got yours ...

              Objective assessment of what you said ... I warned the hard workers in my lectures: "It's bad there." Well, so it was necessary ... to fight. Who is forewarned is armed, right? But alas, that was a voice crying in the wilderness. Although I was not alone, there were many of us who warned. Didn't hear, didn't want to. And all because it is not words, but being that determines consciousness, and at that time it was bad for us. And people believed that it would not be worse. And it really is not worse!
              1. apro
                apro 22 December 2020 09: 55
                -1
                Quote: kalibr
                And it really is not worse!

                So the Russians have not lost anything.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 22 December 2020 10: 13
                  -1
                  And again to you + Sometimes you think very soberly
              2. evgen1221
                22 December 2020 10: 09
                +4
                Compared to our lives of ordinary people, they lived there worse. The trouble is that not many were allowed to go on a tour to capitalist countries, and even more so it was impossible to walk away from the agreed route (the attendant was chopping at the root), and without this it was only visible to the world of showcases of the tourist areas, and after that absolutely any words give nothing in principle ... Consciousness is so arranged in a person. He only reaches some things through his butt)))
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 11: 19
                  +3
                  Compared to our lives of ordinary people, they lived there worse.
                  The mother-in-law bought a new car every three or four years. And I also changed the furniture every five years. The Soviet workers never dreamed of this. They lived better there, too.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 12: 33
                    0
                    Mister minus, don't you believe?
                  2. dzvero
                    dzvero 22 December 2020 13: 08
                    +3
                    So mother-in-law, she can smile
                    At the end of the last millennium I was in the World Bank. So there they commented on TV that the miners who retired in the early 90s have a pension of under 300 pounds. According to our measures, the money seems to be quite good (at that time I had a lower salary), but for comparison, a handyman in a supermarket received 800 a month ...
                    At 1500 a month, a colleague did not know what to do - to send her daughter to a kindergarten or switch to half-time - and so and so there was nothing left of money.
                    Not everything is so simple (c).
                  3. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 13: 24
                    +1
                    miners who retired in the early 90s have a pension of under 300 pounds.
                    Not everyone. Usually more. It is worth adding a closed mortgage, private pension, and everything is not bad. If the dragonfly is red in the summer yes I'm sorry. And in this case, free social housing and other programs will make the rest of your life bearable.
                    At 1500 a month, a colleague didn't know what to do
                    You need to use social support programs - municipal housing, payments for a kindergarten - and you can even postpone a couple of hundred a month. If you have the right to social support. Well, you also need to live within your means, without showing off immigrants.
                  4. dzvero
                    dzvero 22 December 2020 13: 37
                    +2
                    With the miners, in my opinion, the incident was somehow connected with the indexation after the collapse of the pound. It is rather noteworthy here that these people have been pushed around for years on pensions that are beggarly according to British measures.
                    As for a colleague, both the apartment and the kindergarten were subsidized by the institute. The apartment was about 400, the kindergarten - about 600. They had no show-off, normal people. I was just impressed that half of her salary goes to kindergarten. She eventually switched to half-time. I don't know what happened next - I returned home.
                  5. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 13: 44
                    0
                    both the apartment and the kindergarten were subsidized by the institute
                    That is, she did not have the right to state support (I already wrote that the kindergarten is paid almost in full). Too sorry sad A colleague at a previous job with approximately the same alignment also went to Mini.
                    And yes, where did her husband spend money, because he earned at least the same.
                  6. dzvero
                    dzvero 22 December 2020 13: 56
                    +2
                    So they were not citizens or official immigrants. She is a postdoc, her husband is a graduate student. Apartment for 400 is essentially a separate house all included. Here with the kindergarten "no luck". I think in those days access to benefits was more difficult than it is now. By the way, they had an Austin mini (not a mini-cooper, but that angular one). In those years, I weighed more than their entire family (they were Chinese, small-sized). Once they gave me a lift, my husband said that he had never seen the road so high from the driver's seat before smile
                  7. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 14: 02
                    0
                    those days with access to benefits was more difficult than now
                    Quite the opposite, then they were simply handed out. They simply did not have the right to receive them, after all, they would not give the British "Far Eastern Hectare". And it turns out, pay for yourself and work well and hard. Even if they received 1500 a month, there should have been a lot of stay in any case.
                    they had austin mini
                    Now they don't even pay taxes for them - antiques yes .
      2. Kart
        Kart 23 December 2020 09: 43
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        Compared to our lives of ordinary people, they lived there worse. The trouble is that not many were allowed on a tour to capitalist countries, and even more so, it was impossible to walk away from the agreed route (the accompanying man was chopping at the root)

        At our time, it was even less possible to walk "outside the agreed route".
        And not only for foreigners, but even for the citizens of the USSR themselves.
        Many prosperous residents of Moscow (well, like from the movie "Office Romance" for example) knew how they live, for example, in the Pskov region in towns of 10 people?
        Only from newspapers and on TV.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 23 December 2020 06: 09
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: apro
    So they deserve what they have now, and they are guilty to look for their favorite Russian occupation.

    And here you are 100% right. You +

    The fact is that it is much easier to spoil, to corrupt a person morally. And for this, whole services worked. Yes, but not in the USSR.
  • Squelcher
    Squelcher 22 December 2020 15: 29
    +1
    Not Russians, but Soviet citizens, Komsomol members and communists sold the USSR for beads. Do you think something has changed? Now the former citizens of the USSR, the same ones who happily privatized apartments, believe that Russia should.
    1. apro
      apro 22 December 2020 15: 39
      0
      Quote: Squelcher
      Soviet citizens, Komsomol members and communists

      If they did not build communism and did not strengthen the USSR, what kind of communists are they?
  • Kart
    Kart 23 December 2020 09: 36
    +1
    Quote: apro
    That is why the Russians chose freedom, having destroyed the USSR, for beads ... and mirrors ...
    Everyone considered the USSR for them, but not for the USSR.

    What prevented the USSR from making beads and mirrors in sufficient quantities?
    1. apro
      apro 23 December 2020 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: Carte
      What prevented the USSR from making beads and mirrors in sufficient quantities?

      I did as much as I could ... but besides beads and mirrors, there were other expenses in the people's state, and education, medicine, and housing needed to be built ..
      1. Kart
        Kart 23 December 2020 11: 00
        -1
        Again the question - how did the damned capitalists manage to maintain an army with aircraft carriers, to master deep space, and to produce beads in quantities?
        1. apro
          apro 23 December 2020 11: 02
          +2
          Quote: Carte
          Again the question - how did the damned capitalists manage to maintain an army with aircraft carriers, and to master deep space?

          You've missed out on affordable education and medicine, as well as mass housing ...
          1. Kart
            Kart 23 December 2020 11: 48
            +1
            So in order to do all this, education, medicine and mass housing are exactly needed.
            Especially education.
            Was all this done by illiterate sick bums?
            1. apro
              apro 23 December 2020 11: 51
              0
              Quote: Carte
              Was all this done by illiterate sick bums?

              I don’t see the connection ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 06: 08
    +8
    Quote: Bearded
    Imported consumer electronics were better than ours.

    Not always.
    Quote: Bearded
    And that jeans could not be sewn for the people?

    Sewed, but not enough. RO, for example.
    1. Machito
      Machito 22 December 2020 06: 47
      +2
      RO wore, there was a case.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 22 December 2020 07: 02
    +7
    And that jeans could not be sewn for the people?
    There were Russian jeans, they did not make bad "Tver". I once repulsed my native "label", sewed on some kind of imported one, and I got cool imported jeans. laughing
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 14
    -3
    Quote: Bearded
    Imported consumer electronics were better than ours.

    I remember our televisions. You can't fist puck properly, he won't show it laughing
    1. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 08: 45
      +6
      And these are the costs of military production. All the best quality electronic components were used for military equipment. And what remained was done to the population. That backfired in the alleged superiority of any of their technology over ours. Plus the costs of the planned system and the murder of competition and artels by Khrushchev.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 09: 00
        -2
        Quote: evgen1221
        All the best quality electronic components were used for military equipment. And from what remained, they made the population

        This i know
        Our guy was on a business trip from a factory where radio components were produced.
        So he told
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 22 December 2020 09: 01
        +2
        Good article, by the way, Eugene. It was pleasant to read.
        1. evgen1221
          22 December 2020 10: 00
          +5
          Thank you for your appreciation of my first experience writing a media article.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 22 December 2020 10: 15
            0
            What are you? Is this your first material? Well, this is - A should be noted, and B - the hand of the master is visible. This is either a gift from above, or the hand has already been stuffed earlier on something. No?
            1. evgen1221
              22 December 2020 12: 27
              +3
              Honest pioneer, I haven't written anywhere before. Just wait with work tight, so the time has appeared, everything is better than staring at TV.
              1. Fat
                Fat 22 December 2020 12: 40
                +1
                Thanks for the good article, Eugene. You did great with your debut. But I will never believe that you prefer TV to a glass of tea in the kitchen with friends lol
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 22 December 2020 13: 25
                +2
                Quote: evgen1221
                Honest pioneer, I haven't written anywhere before. Just wait with work tight, so the time has appeared, everything is better than staring at TV.

                Interesting! In fact, my firm conviction (and experience) speaks for the fact that 1,2,3 articles on a topic of interest to you, can be written by any educated and elderly person. Another thing is difficult, every day for many years to write such articles for 1-2 a day.
                1. evgen1221
                  22 December 2020 14: 56
                  +1
                  I absolutely agree with you!
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2020 09: 57
      +5
      I remember our TVs
      Yes, your Lipchane TVs suck. By the way, we have now "moved to the West" as a whole country. Well, where are the Russian high-quality TVs, refrigerators, washing machines, radio electronics? .. Yes, you have a Malaysian computer, amerskaya operating system. Well, what's the point of changing the formation?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 08
        -2
        Quote: Gardamir
        Yes, your Lipchansk TVs suck.

        We have never produced TVs.
        By the way, we have now "moved to the West" as a whole country.

        I will surprise you. We live in the same country
        Further no comment

        ,
    3. Kart
      Kart 23 December 2020 09: 49
      -2
      Even when buying, we looked at the production date. if at the end of a quarter or a year - they tried not to buy.
      If, of course, there was a choice. So, there were a couple of models on the shelves, but of those that broke down in 1 day, and no one took them (and the price was from 680 to 755 rubles! Wow!).
      But if you had friends in the trade, and even more so relatives, the way to the warehouse was open for you (for a relatively small surcharge, naturally). there, yes, there was some choice, but also not always.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 22 December 2020 07: 16
    +12
    "Imported consumer electronics were better than ours"

    You know, I disagree. For example, the Melody and Radiotekhnika players, Amfiton amplifiers, s30, s90 speakers, were very good, in terms of characteristics and frequencies they were in no way inferior to either Aive or Panasonic.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 28
      -5
      Quote: Van 16
      You know, I disagree. For example, the Melody and Radiotekhnika players, Amfiton amplifiers, s30, s90 speakers, were very good, in terms of characteristics and frequencies they were in no way inferior to either Aive or Panasonic.

      Do you remember how often they broke
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 22 December 2020 08: 53
        +11
        Amphiton is indestructible, survived discos, weddings, and falls from different heights. In the players, only the needle and the beads were changed, in fact - consumables.
        Japanese equipment, especially when cd drives appeared, broke down more often.
        You argue in vain, at one time I was quite closely involved in music, I can tell a lot hi
    2. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 08: 46
      +8
      Vegava speakers still work in my home theater system, because the sound is much better than what was included in the kit.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 22 December 2020 11: 12
        +3
        About that and speech. The characteristics and frequencies of our equipment were very even.
    3. Kart
      Kart 23 December 2020 09: 54
      0
      Quote: Van 16
      columns s30, s90

      Read at your leisure how many tons of improvements to these magical speakers made by the hands of craftsmen over the long years of their production.
      Tellingly, the production did not finalize anything - as there were long-outdated copies of the speakers of the 70s, they remained until the end. We slightly changed the appearance, and a little "rationalized" the design of the filters, removing some of the details from there. (As it was universally accepted in our country - once successfully copied from a foreign later, after 10 years the production was "refined", that is, simplified and made cheaper, as a rule with a deterioration in performance.)
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 22 December 2020 07: 23
    +3
    Quote: Bearded
    Imported consumer electronics were better than ours.

    Approximately the same at the beginning of development. Then they expanded the assortment, but not for the people, but for enrichment. We have the opposite.
    1. Kart
      Kart 23 December 2020 10: 00
      +1
      Expanded for sale. If people bought, and they probably bought.
      So ours did not give out for free, also for sale.
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 24 December 2020 08: 58
        0
        Quote: Carte
        Expanded for sale. If people bought, and they probably bought.
        So ours did not give out for free, also for sale.

        But not in your personal pocket. And in the pocket of the people, the state.
  • Vend
    Vend 22 December 2020 10: 10
    +3
    Quote: Bearded
    Imported consumer electronics were better than ours. And that jeans could not be sewn for the people? Co-operators in the late eighties coped with this task. In general, it was a big mistake: the lack of consumer goods. Food products in the USSR were of the highest quality and only natural, no chemicals.

    But it depends on what and in what year. For example: The radio receiver with the self-explanatory name "Micro" with dimensions of 43 × 30 × 20 mm became almost the main sensation at the thematic exhibition in the USA. According to the Soviet statistical yearbook, the export of radio sets grew 100 times from 1970 to 1980 - from 12,8 thousand pieces to more than 1,2 million pieces annually. "In the field of photography, Soviet designers have shown no less courage and originality than in the field of intercontinental ballistic missiles," wrote the American magazine Popular Photography in 1959. The USSR exported photographic equipment to more than 80 countries of the world. According to expert estimates, Poljot watches, in the 1970s-1980s, the production of watches in the USSR was equal in volume to the Swiss, and the export of products went to 70 countries of the world. The world's first small-class SUV VAZ-2121 "Niva" (manufactured in 1977) quickly became legendary in more than a hundred countries of the world, where it was exported in huge quantities: 80% of all cars produced in the USSR were exported, while the car was at home huge deficit.
    Until now, refrigerators "Saratov", "ZIL", "Minsk", "Yuryuzan", "Orsk", "Biryusa" and other powerful units are humming in the kitchens of many people in the post-Soviet space. It seems that these monsters can survive a nuclear war.))
  • Aag
    Aag 22 December 2020 19: 10
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    Imported consumer electronics were better than ours. And that jeans could not be sewn for the people? Co-operators in the late eighties coped with this task. In general, it was a big mistake: the lack of consumer goods. Food products in the USSR were of the highest quality and only natural, no chemicals.

    "... Food products in the USSR were of the highest quality ..."
    Even being born in the capital of the Baltic (!) Republic of the USSR, having lived there for more than 20 years under the Soviet Union, I would not have argued this .... As for naturalness, I agree ...
  • bk0010
    bk0010 23 December 2020 20: 54
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    And that jeans could not be sewn for the people?
    You can't. Really. I found out, I was told that when sewing clothes, GOST does not allow the use of fabrics prone to abrasion and unstable dyes. And without denim and indigo dye, what will jeans be?
  • Finches
    Finches 22 December 2020 05: 33
    -3
    Got it, by God, with galoshes ...!

    The complete citation of the GDP is as follows:

    "Yes, my dears, yes. No need to debate. The fact is that what we produced (and no need to wave your hands), no one needed, because no one bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who should walking on hot sand That's the whole point.
    We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.
    Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet regime, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.
    But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? They weren't there. Let's not lie to each other and to the people. The people know what was and what was not "



    As for the topic of the article, then
    "What we have - we do not store, if we lose, we cry"
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 06: 14
      +8
      Quote: Finches
      Got it, by God, with galoshes ...!

      Got it, by God, with a complete phrase ...!
      Quote: Finches
      The fact is that what we produced (and no need to wave your hands) was not needed by anyone,

      Complete, impudent, lies.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 59
        +3
        Vladimir hi ,
        and hunting you to spend time on a St. Petersburg weather vane? Completeness, it's useless! drinks

        1. Finches
          Finches 22 December 2020 08: 01
          -3
          Justify, please! hi
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 08: 06
          +3
          Quote: lexus
          Vladimir,
          and hunt to spend your attention on the famous St. Petersburg weather vane?

          I write for others rather than for the forty-something summer pensioner Zyablitsev. For no matter how you recall galoshes, galoshes, they immediately start yelling that Putin did not mean exactly what he had in mind.
          Quote: Finches
          But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? They weren't there.

          Well, let him repeat after the son of a lawyer whose mother is Russian.
          1. Finches
            Finches 22 December 2020 12: 51
            -1
            That is, there is nothing special to tell you about the case ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 13: 03
              +4
              Quote: Finches
              That is, there is nothing special to tell you about the case ...

              There is. Here are consumer goods for export.


              http://istmat.info/files/uploads/17074/vneshnyaya_torgovlya_sssr_v_1987_godu.pdf
              1. Finches
                Finches 22 December 2020 13: 08
                -1
                So what? I wrote that VVP never said that only galoshes were produced in the USSR - he did not say that.
                As for your data - a lot of good things went for export, but the concept of a deficit existed in the domestic markets - or you will deny it! Another question is how critical it was for the socialist system and the individual in particular!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 13: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: Finches
                  I wrote that VVP never said that only galoshes were produced in the USSR - he did not say that.

                  Did not tell.
                  Quote: Finches
                  The fact is that what we produced (and no need to wave your hands), nobody needed

                  Did he say that? So.
                  Quote: Finches
                  the concept of scarcity existed - or you will deny it!

                  We are not talking about a deficit, but about the words of the president.
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 22 December 2020 20: 43
                    -3
                    And where is he wrong? Or did you not live in the USSR? Another question is that in the USSR I didn't need three hundred types of sausage, but two or three were enough, but of high quality!
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 20: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: Finches
                      And what is he wrong about?

                      In that:
                      Quote: Finches
                      no one needs
                    2. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 22: 51
                      -3
                      So we chose capitalism - and Putin has nothing to do with it! He is the same as me and you - hostage of the system! He will not invent anything more than he invented - capitalism, he is capitalism in Africa! How can you not understand this then ??
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 23: 08
                      +6
                      Quote: Finches
                      How can you not understand this then ??

                      Here, damn it, I told him about Thomas, and he told me about Eremu. Zyablitsev! I am writing to you directly that Putin lied, saying that our consumer goods, acre galoshes for African Africans, were not needed by anyone, and what are you rubbing me in? In short, I don't intend to pound water in a mortar with you anymore, I'm tired.
                    4. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 23: 18
                      -3
                      Balobol You ... I beg your pardon! At least one thing I respect - for the Motherland, only through the Well ... Prostrum ... and you and I, and Putin .... Now we are making excuses and looking for enemies! And so, perhaps, you are a normal man, only there is no such profession - but the profession of the Motherland has not gone away! Russia did not fall apart under Putin, as it did under Yeltsin ... It began to grow ... The boys stopped dying on their own territory - and I did not participate, I will not lie, but I stood by my side - in the first and second Chechen companies ... 20 years Already we do not send boys to mothers in zinc coffins from the service ... Is this not an achievement? Anglo-Saxons, Arabs - they invested billions in the collapse of Russia, but 18-year-old boys, with the political will of the GDP, made them ... Where were you personally from 1994 to 2002? A? I've been in the army! And not at the headquarters!
                    5. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 23: 23
                      +5
                      Quote: Finches
                      .Where were you personally from 1994 to 2002?

                      Worked! To an enterprise that was considered of all-Union significance in the USSR! Get lost, the bath leaf! I won't answer mulberries anymore! And tama!
                    6. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 23: 26
                      -3
                      And Putin has something to do with it! And he drank the coffin with the boy ration ... Love your homeland, not with hatred, but with your heart and mind! hi
                    7. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 23: 31
                      +6
                      Quote: Finches
                      And Putin has something to do with it!

                      And let him not lie and humiliate the country in which I was born.
                      Quote: Finches
                      Love your homeland

                      I love her, but capitalism does not. Dixi.
                    8. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 23: 36
                      -3
                      So I don't really appreciate capitalism, but I never drove the GDP to the country - let's take the facts (at a glance): I returned the anthem of the USSR! Fact? Fact! Returned Crimea? - returned! Respect in the world returned? - I returned ...
                      Do you want to become Ukraine or Georgia?
            2. Kart
              Kart 23 December 2020 10: 07
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Utin lied, saying that our consumer goods products, acrome galoshes for African Africans, were not needed by anyone,

              Let's say he generalized.
              How do you generalize all the time that everything was fine in the USSR, and everything was exported on a global scale.
              This is a rhetorical technique.
              It is no secret that exported goods were often much better than those for the citizens of the USSR.
              He personally worked at a radio factory for the production of resistors.
              So for the "export" consignments they prepared especially carefully - all the components and the technical process were thoroughly checked, consumables are only those provided by the technology.
              At the same time, everything was done at random for the domestic market, with deviations.
              The main thing was - PLAN !.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 16: 40
    -2

    The fact is that what we produced (and no need to wave your hands) was not needed by anyone,


    It is not necessary to take phrases out of context, otherwise the meaning is greatly distorted, they meant:


    ... But consumer goods ...

    hi
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
      But consumer goods ...

      And I am writing about them.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 18: 13
        0
        So the people were chasing imported clothes, I myself participated in this recourse
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 18: 19
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          So the people were chasing imported clothes, I myself participated in this

          And I don’t deny it.
          1. Kart
            Kart 23 December 2020 10: 12
            0
            So why were you racing? They were probably much better than domestic ones? And not only for clothes.
            To be honest, the products of the USSR for export were then not similar to modern Chinese ones - almost all recycled outdated copies, quality from so-so to full g, but a very low price.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 22 December 2020 08: 00
    0
    Quote: Finches
    "What we have - we do not store, if we lose, we cry"

    The purposeful policy of Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev to destroy the country brought the world's first state to "galoshes". Under them, a struggle began with private traders, cooperatives were closed - there was no one to sew "jeans" ...

    Video topic:



    ps
    We do not forget that speaking about the USSR, so that there would be no misunderstanding, it is necessary to indicate which period of which leader we are talking about. It is impossible to put the rule of Stalin and Gorbachev on a par.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 December 2020 10: 01
    +1
    But consumer goods. Where were they? They weren't there.
    What really is now, everything is crammed with foreign language, and screwdriver assembly.
    KALOSHI and those Chinese.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 17: 01
      -2
      There is indeed a lot of Chinese, but ours is full, a month ago I bought a sled for a child - a snow-scooter, came home, collected it, read the product passport: "Made in Russia, Izhevsk."
    2. Kart
      Kart 23 December 2020 10: 13
      -3
      We no longer wear galoshes.
      They are worn in China and North Korea - there is communism.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 52
    +3
    Got it, by God, with galoshes ...!

    Eka jars you ..))
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 05: 49
    -9
    Quote: Aerodrome
    but myself, not on a Boeing summer

    There was still not enough to fly abroad in a "foreign car".
    We are not a country of the third, and not even the second world.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 54
      +5
      We are not a country of the third, and not even the second world.

      The latter is debatable ..
      But at the expense of the third - definitely about us ..
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 05: 57
    -15%
    Putin said that only galoshes were made in the USSR


    Enough to repeat this nonsense, Putin never said that, fool
    1. apro
      apro 22 December 2020 06: 08
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Enough to repeat this nonsense, Putin never said that,

      He said a lot of things ... fabulous. And it will not be superfluous.
      1. Finches
        Finches 22 December 2020 06: 15
        -4
        This is how myths are created ... laughing
        1. apro
          apro 22 December 2020 06: 24
          +4
          Quote: Finches
          This is how myths are created ... laughing

          Zyablintsev. For me it has long been anyway that he clanged his tongue there. There is simply no trust. And a priori, whatever the conclusion, one is lying.
          1. Finches
            Finches 22 December 2020 06: 26
            -2
            Well, this is your subjective point of view - and here I am, on my personal example, which concerns me, I can say the opposite - everything that VVP promised, in relation to me, has been fulfilled! Therefore, this is a double-edged sword! Someone seems to be lying ... How to look and think!
            1. apro
              apro 22 December 2020 06: 33
              +2
              Quote: Finches
              How to look and think!

              I am happy for you. So you are on the same wavelength with him ...
              1. Finches
                Finches 22 December 2020 06: 36
                -3
                On the waves, we can be different, only I assess his actions as Head of State with a "plus" sign, and you "minus" - and this, by the way, is absolutely normal!
                1. apro
                  apro 22 December 2020 06: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Finches
                  On the waves, we can be different,

                  How can this be. I don’t understand. I don’t recognize but I approve? I haven’t read but I condemn? I don’t believe but I love?
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 22 December 2020 06: 40
                    +1
                    Do not distort! Here your remark is out of place - the Supreme has his own affairs and his views, I have mine - I generally approve of his deeds ... What does one wave have to do with it?
                    1. apro
                      apro 22 December 2020 06: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: Finches
                      the Supreme has his own affairs and his own views, I have mine - I generally approve of his deeds ... What does one wave have to do with it?

                      While his activities are beneficial to you, is that so?
                    2. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 06: 49
                      0
                      She and you, somewhere, is good for you - only you do not want to notice ... laughing
                      I said that all his promises to me were fulfilled - so I cannot say that he is lying all the time - it will be unfair and untrue!
                    3. apro
                      apro 22 December 2020 06: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Finches
                      She and you, somewhere, is good for you - only you do not want to notice ...

                      I would like to ... but see my eyesight fail and I don’t understand my happiness.
                    4. Finches
                      Finches 22 December 2020 06: 53
                      -1
                      It happens!
    2. Machito
      Machito 22 December 2020 06: 48
      +7
      Quote: apro
      Quote: Finches
      This is how myths are created ... laughing

      Zyablintsev. For me it has long been anyway that he clanged his tongue there. There is simply no trust. And a priori, whatever the conclusion, one is lying.

      About the Polovtsy and Pechenegs does not lie.
      1. apro
        apro 22 December 2020 06: 50
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        About the Polovtsy and Pechenegs does not lie.

        This is how to look ...
    3. Kart
      Kart 23 December 2020 10: 15
      0
      Quote: apro
      Zyablintsev. For me it has long been anyway that he clanged his tongue there. There is simply no trust. And a priori, whatever the conclusion, one is lying.

      There is no trust - it's in the church.
      The category "I just don't believe him" is for the dim-witted.
      1. apro
        apro 23 December 2020 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        There is no trust - it's in the church.

        Zero official religion in Russia?
        1. Kart
          Kart 23 December 2020 11: 03
          0
          For some, it is.
          For those who constantly repeat the mantras about the nullified one, the bunker has been stolen, everything has disappeared.
          1. apro
            apro 23 December 2020 11: 13
            0
            Quote: Carte
            For some, it is.

            And I didn’t know ... but do not care. Soviet atheists.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 26
    -3
    Quote: Finches
    This is how myths are created.

    And gossip
    1. Finches
      Finches 22 December 2020 06: 27
      -3
      And from them a false perception is born, and then a false belief!
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 36
        -3
        Quote: Finches
        And from them a false perception is born, and then a false belief!

        Judging by the cons, it is.
        For example, I didn't lie in one word, they still minus. Only for rare exception say what
        1. Finches
          Finches 22 December 2020 06: 39
          -3
          On VO "minuses" are put not as an assessment of a comment, but as a mark to a political opponent laughing
          1. apro
            apro 22 December 2020 06: 48
            0
            Quote: Finches
            but as a mark to a political opponent

            It is difficult to find a political element among some opponents.
            1. Finches
              Finches 22 December 2020 06: 52
              +1
              So you are not looking! You discuss the case of the article, and not look out for a political credo! laughing
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 22 December 2020 10: 35
                +4
                discuss the case of the article
                The article says that in Soviet times the best was brought from the West to the USSR, and the people sincerely believed that the West was better. Even the best films were selected for showing
                Well, plus we ourselves were mistaken, for some reason comparing Mercedes with Cossacks. Only now, when we have become a Western, capitalist country, few people drive Mercedes. Solaris were replaced by Lada.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 51
            -4
            Quote: Finches
            On VO "minuses" are put not as an assessment of a comment, but as a mark to a political opponent

            And most often by nickname. Without reading or delving into. Once you don't agree with someone, that's it, it will follow you along all the branches and minus.
            And next to you they will say that you, they are a plus, you are a minus.
            Five people follow me
            1. Finches
              Finches 22 December 2020 07: 00
              +1
              That's for sure! There is such a letter in the alphabet! laughing
            2. apro
              apro 22 December 2020 07: 26
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Without reading or delving into

              Plus or minus this is not critical. Only for statistics. The attitude to what has been said can be different. It is more important to convey your thought. Your point of view. Even if one agrees already well. Minuses will make it even not bad. Paid attention. Expressed their opinion. Even in this form.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 47
                -3
                Quote: apro
                Plus minus is not critical

                What is critical is that they minus without reading
              2. apro
                apro 22 December 2020 07: 50
                +3
                Quote: Lipchanin
                What is critical is that they minus without reading

                It means that your position is worthy of attention, even this. Some do not add or minus.
              3. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 54
                -3
                Quote: apro
                So your position is worthy of attention

                What "position is worthy of attention" if minus without reading?
              4. Roman070280
                Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 59
                +3
                How do you know if reading is minus or not ..))
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 22 December 2020 11: 58
        +2
        Five people follow me

        ))) That's the same conceit of a person ..
        Probably, they themselves confessed to him .. otherwise, as determined by something ..))
        And, I guessed .. in his opinion, he never deserves the minuses .. which means that if 5 minuses appeared, then it was on purpose "they followed him" ..
        Mdaaa ..
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 10: 21
    +5
    Quote: Lipchanin
    For example, I did not lie in one word,

    I didn't hit my Horizon with my fist. For 8 years, it broke down 1 time, plus they called the master when the UHF unit had to be stuck. And when I bought Sharpe, put it next to it, and connected the video recorder one by one, there was simply no difference in the quality of the display.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 29
      -4
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I didn't hit my Horizon with my fist.

      And I beat. Strong.
      I had a TV that broke 3 times in 4 months
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 16: 14
    -1
    He said a lot of things ... fabulous. And it will not be superfluous.


    At least you yourself, you understand what nonsense you are talking about, fool
  • Torins
    Torins 22 December 2020 06: 49
    +7
    He said that the collapse of the Soviet state was the greatest disaster.
  • MORDVIN13rus
    MORDVIN13rus 23 December 2020 19: 02
    -1
    This is where and when did Vovka say that only galoshes were made?
  • nemez
    nemez 28 December 2020 09: 54
    0
    Huyu Ting, he was there, maybe he was turned over. Considering the obstinacy in calling the enemy a partner. And building a sp-2. and we have to connect gas to the house without taking into account the equipment at least 150 thousand .. I already hate this country. What kind of protection of its borders can we talk about.
  • Far B
    Far B 22 December 2020 05: 26
    +5
    I will try to refute the myth (and its origins in the USSR) about how well life was in the West. Where did it go to the masses and what did it lead to?
    Until a certain point, this myth did not work very well. Although, starting with the 1956 Festival of Youth and Students, the "pernicious influence of the West" did begin to seep, but not very successfully. It was only later, when Labeled was at the helm of the country, and Yakovlev began to steer the propaganda, the zombification of the masses went in full. Perhaps, by the end of the 80s, the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens were convinced that under capitalism, everyone would be exclusively the owners of factories, newspapers and ships. And no one wanted to think that the chances of becoming a servant of such owners are many orders of magnitude greater. Now, looking back, you understand: oh, naive-ak !!! And then there was no such understanding. It was necessary to experience all this on your own skin.
    1. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 08: 57
      +7
      The Chinese, on the other hand, predictably and carefully interpreted and adjusted their communism to the changing environment. The union, in general terms, would have gone the same way, no doubt. Gorbochev the traitor simply began to break everything too zealously. What is the cost of the murder of the entire CMEA by one decree on the abolition of the transferable ruble in loans and the transition to settlements in well. The CMEA countries did not have wells in the quantities necessary to support their economies and overcome the crisis caused by Gorby's actions. For this, the KGB secretary general was walled up in Pharos, although Yeltsin got out on the wave of hype, and it was already difficult to oppose anything against this.
    2. Fat
      Fat 22 December 2020 10: 27
      +3
      Quote: Dalny V
      Although since the 1956 Festival of Youth and Students, the "pernicious influence of the West" still began to seep

      It seems that mostly since 1959 from the USA Exhibition in Moscow
      ... The exhibition was of a purely agitational nature and did not satisfy the demands of our leading economic, technical and party cadres. We were meticulous about it. From my point of view, there was nothing that we could practically use. There was almost no new technology, and we practically chased after all sorts of new products and expected the Americans to show something.
      (N.S. Khrushchev)
  • Crowe
    Crowe 22 December 2020 05: 38
    +23
    As a result, a noisy minority, in pursuit of personal philistine happiness, ruined millions and a great country.

    I completely agree with the Author. I was never interested in life in the West, I lived in my country, that I had this West together with myths about it ... The bulk of the citizens of the USSR were satisfied with life: who can say that free education, medicine and guaranteed work are badly? The level of well-being of the "lower" and "upper classes" differed, of course, but not dozens of times, the Soviet middle class constituted the overwhelming majority of the population. There was no unemployment.
    A skilled worker could earn even more than the director of the plant. If he was offered to become a foreman, he refused, and he would receive three gold pieces less.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 22 December 2020 06: 16
      -3
      Of course I could) I remember store shelves very well in my childhood. Boiled aolbasa. Hurrah. Baton in hand. Dad takes the children and we get up in different lines to take three) and stand in them all the way. And then if it turns out we change and stand again. Lyapota. Dad's salary is about 500 rubles then the major. There is money. And what to buy on them? We didn't have a summer residence. Dad's officer rations were very helpful. I did not understand this then, as I was small. Then I often talked to my father. It infuriated him the most. There is money and nothing to buy without some strange schemes. He was bringing furniture from Gomel to Khabarovsk because he could not buy it at home !!! And there was an opportunity and a container could do it. Fairy tale and not life. All their childhood, parents were spinning to give us all the best and to improve their lives. At the same time, having money. We were looking for some acquaintances to get something. Changed all kinds of garbage. Father will bring fishing rods and telescopes and exchange them for sneakers with whoever could get them. Etc. Mom, who graduated from the conservatory in vocal class, went into trade, what do you think for what reason? And no need to say that this is late to the USSR. For me, he is the one that I remember
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 59
        -4
        In those days there was such an anecdote.
        "Riddle. Big, green, it smells of sausage.
        Answer. Train Moscow-Lipetsk "
        What often came across Lipetsk sausage
        1. Yura
          Yura 22 December 2020 07: 55
          +2
          A similar train from Moscow to Leningrad passed by us, we always called him Butyrsky until about 86, and then just a sausage maker. I myself also went to Leningrad and Moscow there with a paycheck back with a full backpack, which was stuffed both for my family and for neighbors or colleagues at work, a month later one of them was taking for us too. Now this train has not been running at all for about twenty years, it has been canceled.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 22 December 2020 08: 44
            -3
            Quote: Jura
            A similar train from Moscow to Leningrad went by us, we always called it Butyrsky

            Here is the BRIGHTEST example of objectivity on the site
            They wrote about the same thing You are plus, they minus me laughing
            In the eyes of such a look, who come to the site to settle accounts.
            People have lost their conscience
            They themselves condemn the double standards, but they do the same. No.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 22 December 2020 12: 02
              +6
              Here is the BRIGHTEST example of objectivity on the site
              They wrote about the same thing You are plus, minus me laughing
              I should look into my eyes


              You're lying ..
              You have 4 pluses, but he has only 1 ..
              Eyes would not look at such ..))
      2. Unknown
        Unknown 22 December 2020 07: 11
        +7
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I remember store shelves very well in my childhood. Boiled aolbasa. Hurrah. Baton in hand. Dad takes the children and we get up in different lines to take three) and stand in them all the way. And then if it turns out we change and stand again. Lyapota. Dad's salary is about 500 rubles then the Major
        ... You know, I don't believe you. 500 rubles. a decent salary at the end of the 70s and until about 88, there was already Gorbachev's perestroika going on in full growth, the goods disappeared, the ruble depreciated. In 82, he graduated from vocational school, a 4-grade locksmith received with all the bonuses, where 180-190 rubles was enough for everything for the eyes, and even gave his mother. And after the service, I made a deal, I began to receive 300-350 rubles, if the month is good, there are a lot of steamers under repair, then it reached 400 rubles. In factory canteens, for 1 ruble, plus milk for harmfulness, and for 30 kopecks a coupon for the second, you can eat up to the dump. On Saturday evening, one could drop into a restaurant with the men, so to speak, relax. So there is no need to tell fairy tales, and even about the Far East. There they always received well, all sorts of allowances from the north, and other payments, especially from the military and in the rank of major.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        All their childhood, parents were spinning to give us all the best and to improve their lives. At the same time, having money. We were looking for some acquaintances to get something. Changed all the bullshit. Father will bring fishing rods telescopes and exchange them for sneakers with whoever could get them. Etc. Mom, who graduated from the conservatory in vocal class, went into trade, what do you think for what reason?
        .. Your dad has the makings of a merchant, he does not serve in S.A., but as a supplier at whatever base. Let me ask you, when did he find time to carry out his direct duties, to protect the Motherland? All the same, the officer's rank is considerable, and he, if his actions are called by his name, was engaged in speculation.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 19
          0
          I'm not telling you fairy tales, but what I saw in childhood with my own eyes. I told you there was money. They didn't know how to spend them only. The years that I described to you is 85+. I was a small child. And I did not find another USSR, sorry. And I have no other memories of him. As for the inclinations, everyone around was doing this. And what does the service have to do with it? Sorry, but the question is very stupid. In the nineties, he also guarded at night something besides the service that would feed us. Kaa found opportunities
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 22 December 2020 07: 59
            +8
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I'm not telling you fairy tales, but what I saw in childhood with my own eyes. I told you there was money. They didn't know how to spend them only. The years that I described to you is 85+. I was a small child. And I did not find another USSR, sorry. And I have no other memories of him. As for the inclinations, everyone around was doing this. And what does the service have to do with it? Sorry, but the question is very stupid. In the nineties, he also guarded at night something besides the service that would feed us. Kaa found opportunities
            .... And I came from the service in 84 years, and was still much older than you, and I know what I am talking about. You can always spend if you have money. Furniture was brought from Gomel, because it was cheaper there, in the Far East there is a different belt, and of course a different price. Products were also more expensive, and the salary was higher, and they retired earlier. In central Russia, the northerners built cooperative housing, so there would be money. Service is service, especially for an officer. The state spent five years on him not to buy and sell hooks, etc. and we are talking about the mid-80s.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 22 December 2020 08: 03
              -4
              Am I arguing with you? You won't replace mine with your memories, will you? You have your past and I have mine. This does not prevent both from being true. And the furniture was transported precisely for the reason that I named. This is a family story that is spoken about every holiday. When it comes to memories And officers did not retire earlier, but as expected.
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 22 December 2020 14: 46
                +5
                Quote: carstorm 11
                And the officers did not retire earlier, but as expected
                How should it be? I know for sure, by length of service, service in difficult conditions, participation in hostilities outside the USSR, that something connected with nuclear weapons tests, let them correct, who knows. After 25 years of service and who, in two or three years, could have done it earlier, and I will say the pension there was decent by Soviet standards, plus benefits for early housing. So the officers in the USSR were well provided for, so many sought there. As for the past, you are right, everyone has their own, but you look at life differently.
                It's one thing when you are 5-7 years old, and that in that life you understand, it's another when you are 21-22 years old, you have already completed the service, and you work in a team where people are all different, both in age and in their views. The difference is big.
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 December 2020 07: 16
        +7
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Boiled aolbasa. Hurrah. Baton in hand. Dad takes the children and we get up in different lines to take three) and stand in them all the way.


        I recall the shelf life of Soviet boiled sausages (natural product, no additives). What did you do with her? To eat a loaf of sausage in one person in such a short time ... no, well, it was delicious, of course, but ...
        And then back in line? You had a severe childhood.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 27
          -2
          Freeze. If winter is on the balcony. Summer in the freezer. Describe a refrigerator?) We didn't have one like this, but in Belarus, my grandfather froze the tea room and then cooked it like sausages)
      4. 72jora72
        72jora72 22 December 2020 07: 18
        +5
        There is money. And what to buy on them? We didn't have a summer residence. Dad's officer rations were very helpful. I did not understand this then, as I was small.
        And here in Chukotka (79-89 years old) we bought orange and tangerine juices in cans (USA), even durian juice was (I’m sure you never visited it at all), preservation: romania and hungary, the whole range. The wines were Spanish, Portuguese, Hungarian, Bulgarian (Cork, Porto Galem, Porto Porto, Gonza, Albena, etc.). The furniture was both ours and the GDR, one by one, but you could buy it. Motorcycles, mopeds, outboard motors (Whirlwind, Neptune) were freely available for sale ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 29
          +2
          He even ate the fruit himself) fell for some) then almost killed him. We had Vietnamese mango juice. In such red iron cans. And nobody bought It then))) I don’t know about the equipment) we didn’t have our own apartment then. We lived in the office.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 22 December 2020 07: 33
            +3
            He even ate the fruit himself) fell for some) then almost killed him.
            Fresh fruit, utter abomination, but the canned juice was surprisingly tasty.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 22 December 2020 07: 36
              +4
              I'll take my word for it) I won't check it)
      5. evgen1221
        22 December 2020 09: 06
        +4
        In my opinion, this imbalance is the main reason for the decline of the union. At the time, the bureaucratic machine did not respond to the increased purchasing power of the population. The bureaucracy is generally a braking thing, and multiplied by its own distributors and even more ossified in solving the needs of the population. Today, to a certain extent, the bureaucracy in the country is similar to the late Soviet nomenklotry, the same habits and methods. History apparently does not teach them anything. And I’m afraid this rot cannot be corrected by evolution.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 December 2020 09: 46
          -2
          Well, to tell the truth, it is with the bureaucracy that everything has changed in recent years. Everything becomes faster and easier time after time. Even at the household level, it's hard not to notice. Even 7 years ago, every time in the savings there were queues to pay for utilities. Crowds of people on certain days. This is not the case now. Machines were drawn up for days now, at most an hour, etc. As for power, everything will change a lot when a generation changes in it .. It will be occupied by people who did not live in different systems and eras. And they will change everything to suit their worldview. It is difficult to say whether it will be good or bad. But what is different is for sure. Sometimes I catch myself thinking that the constant comparison with the Union only slows down everything. It gets in the way of even seeing perspectives. Every step and every decision goes through the same and the same - and then it was like this.
          1. evgen1221
            22 December 2020 09: 58
            +2
            but I don’t even argue with you. The main thing is to remember and understand your own and others' mistakes in history. And to bypass them in a timely manner and not stupidly wander around on trifles and not understanding how it generally works.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 22 December 2020 10: 05
              -2
              Exactly. Tough pragmatists are needed. Without any romantic flair about the past. And those who know how to isolate everything you need from different systems. Make you work for yourself. These are still growing)
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 05: 42
    -2
    It happened that out of two pairs, one was washed somehow. So she just disappeared into the washing machine.

    Once a friend of mine in Moscow bought a white shirt. Shie and shine. After a while I decided to wash. From the washing machine he took out only a collar. Everything else has disappeared.
    Many years later, they learned that someone smart had bought a batch of clothes for the dead.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 05: 47
    -12%
    that the Union also sold many of its machine tools and other things to the West, and not just to the CMEA countries and Africa.

    Well what can I say. Our machine tool factory sold machines to Japan. They willingly took it. Only a few years later did they find out what they were buying because of the wooden packaging
    It's the same with sledgehammers. Kuvyldy not melted down, and they did something there
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 06: 03
      +12
      It looks like a bike, but the law forbade them to buy wood in the USSR? It will be a hundred times cheaper hi
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 06
        -10%
        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
        It looks like a bike

        No, not a bike.
        and the law forbade them to buy a tree in the USSR? It will be a hundred times cheaper

        The tree is separately worth the money.
        The forest went like packaging, free hi
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 14: 52
          +1
          The forest went like packaging, free


          It cannot be free, because cutting down a tree, making boards out of it, putting together a box all this costs money, plus the machine itself, it also cost something, hence the conclusion: a tree at the price of a machine will be monstrously expensive for the Japanese, and supply to Japan machines for the price of packaging will be monstrously expensive for the USSR!
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 22 December 2020 09: 50
        -3
        No, not cheaper, the USSR in every possible way subsidized the export of a high redistribution, and in every way inflated the price of resources. Why buy a finished item is cheaper than the raw materials for its manufacture
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 13
          -4
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Why buy a finished item is cheaper than the raw materials for its manufacture

          What am I talking about?
          It was cheaper to buy a machine in a wooden package than boards or logs
        2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 14: 56
          +1
          No, not cheaper, the USSR in every possible way subsidized the export of a high redistribution, and in every way inflated the price of resources. Why buy a finished item is cheaper than the raw materials for its manufacture


          If this is the way you write, then it is not surprising why the economy of the USSR collapsed, under such conditions it was doomed.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 22 December 2020 15: 14
            0
            Well, the idea itself looks sound as a first approximation. Discourage the export of resources and stimulate the export of industry. But in practice it works through J.
      3. Fat
        Fat 22 December 2020 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
        It looks like a bike, but the law forbade them to buy wood in the USSR? It will be a hundred times cheaper hi

        It's kind of similar. But I heard the same story from the chief engineer of IRZ (husband of an older sister) in the mid-80s. Only it was about axes ... The steel was surprisingly decent. About "bulk" wrenches (that is, in bulk) - the same ... Steel - Chromo-Vanadium.
        Polish shuttle traders, already closer to the 90s, having sold their "7 melodies" from the USSR were bringing everything from televisions to jewelry. The Vietnamese who worked at the car factory brought aluminum utensils home as a bonus.
        Karelian birch packaging, however, is a clear scam of some smart guy on one (or both) sides of the deal ... laughing
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 22 December 2020 06: 13
      -3
      Our machine tool factory sold machines to Japan. They willingly took it. Only a few years later did they find out what they were buying because of the wooden packaging.

      I heard the same thing about the purchases of our equipment by Finland in Leningrad, exclusively because of the boxes of Karelian birch, the Finns made furniture from them and sold it to us.
      But what to say, if we could not make a machine for making propellers for nuclear submarines, and because of their noise, our boats in the West were nicknamed "Roaring Cows".
      In the end, the Office carried out a brilliant operation, purchasing this machine in Japan through shell companies. The scandal was just fabulous, but our boats stopped roaring.
      1. evgen1221
        22 December 2020 09: 18
        +6
        Saltwater Cat - Don't confuse dual-use technology and box packing. The union was under a tough double-equipment embargo.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 December 2020 10: 17
          +2
          And I'm not confusing, I'm just talking about what I know, and silly people put cons, as if this could change history. What happened, it happened, and you can't get anywhere here, no matter how silly teeth grin.
          There are no complaints about you, as the author. hi
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 15: 15
            +1
            as if it could change history.

            The fact of the matter is that it looks like a story, and not a story, there are a lot of such pseudo-historical fables, some of the urapatriotic content, others, like this one, of the opposite.
            Again, a very dubious story request
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 December 2020 15: 28
              +1
              very dubious story

              What exactly, about boxes made of Karelian birch, or about a Japanese CNC machine?
        2. Petr Vladimirovich
          Petr Vladimirovich 22 December 2020 20: 09
          0
          COCOM list))) There were even 386s ...
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 06: 23
      +10
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Only a few years later did they find out what they were buying because of the wooden packaging.
      It's the same with sledgehammers. Kuvyldy not melted down, and they did something there

      Have you seen with your own eyes how the machines with Mary Baths were being melted down? Just think about it.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 32
        -10%
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Have you seen with your own eyes how the machines with Mary Baths were being melted down?

        And you will learn to read. Firstly, I never said that the machines were for remelting.
        Just think about it.

        And you, too, think with your head, why did they need our machines?
        At that time, their auto industry, for example, was head and shoulders above ours
        Was it all produced on our machines?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 06: 37
          +7
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And you, too, think with your head, why did they need our machines?

          For work, not for this bullshit:
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Kuvyldy not melted down, and they did something there

          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 08
            -12%
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            For work, not for this bullshit:

            Do you want to say what they did on our Honda machines?
            belay
            Yes, they already had CNC machines about which we only heard.
            It's like changing from Mercedes to Zaporozhets
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 07: 24
              +6
              I don’t know what they were doing, Honda, or umbrellas, I remember an angry article from the 80s that the Japanese were throwing our CNC from our closet-sized machines and putting in their little box.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 22 December 2020 07: 36
                -12%
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I don't know what they did, Honda, or umbrellas,

                And think about it?
                On our machines, something worthwhile could be done?
                I remember an angry article from the 80s that the Japanese throw our CNC away from our closet-sized machines and put in their tiny little box.

                Oh, yes. This is OUR newspaper wrote laughing
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 07: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  On our machines, something worthwhile could be done?

                  Many things. In the same 80s, a friend of my uncle was making lighter valves with might and main, ordered by cooperators.

                  Did Canada also need boxes from machines? Or nails from boxes?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 22 December 2020 08: 00
                    -9
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Many things. In the same 80s, a friend of my uncle made valves for lighters with might and main, ordered by cooperators

                    Rjunemagu laughing
                    Did you realize that you blurted out? laughing

                    Did Canada also need boxes from machines? Or nails from boxes?

                    Canada has enough of its own forest
                    But in Japan it is lacking.
                    Well, tell us about the outstanding Canadian cars
                    So what have we exported from Canada?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 10: 43
                      +6
                      Imported, maybe? Drilling, road-building machines, equipment for the textile industry.
        2. evgen1221
          22 December 2020 09: 23
          +5
          In 70-80, our mass car industry was absolutely identical to the mass car industry of the West. At the same time, it was cheaper and more durable. Well, we did not have our own Ferrari, So why do you measure exactly according to figurative Ferraris? According to our ideology, we had no place for record horses (of which there are always and everywhere few), but we made a lot of inexpensive workhorses.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 15
            -10%
            Quote: evgen1221
            Well, we didn't have our own Ferraris, So why are you measuring exactly according to figurative Ferraris?

            Because they have never had such junk like ours
            Remind us what we called "Zhiguli"?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 10: 45
            +5
            Quote: evgen1221
            .Well, we didn't have our own Ferrari

            Porsche experts did the eight.
            1. evgen1221
              22 December 2020 12: 24
              +2
              Porsches help many people in fine-tuning mass engines due to this they live on it. If they stop making money by engineering, a star will come with his own car.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 12: 41
                +3
                They made us almost completely cars. The USSR paid them half a billion marks, or something.
                1. evgen1221
                  22 December 2020 13: 05
                  +2
                  Not almost completely, but seriously with the engine and gearbox 08. We did the rest ourselves.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 15: 36
                    +2
                    Door handles VAZ 2108 are fully consistent with Porsche 924
                    In one of the halls of the Porsche design bureau, a full-size plaza image of the body side of the "eight" hung on the wall. Red, it seems, the color, very impressively painted. But it didn't have a pen. One day someone took and attached a handle from Porsche 924.

                    https://www.drive2.ru/l/4899916394579192268/
                    1. evgen1221
                      22 December 2020 18: 47
                      0
                      And why develop a new pen when there is a ready-made one suitable for the customer?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 19: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: evgen1221
                        And why develop a new pen when there is a ready-made one suitable for the customer?

                        There is no need. I mean, the Germans were not only engaged in an engine with a gearbox.
          3. Korax71
            Korax71 22 December 2020 15: 55
            +2
            You propose to compare the vaz2101-03 family, with such cars as Toyota King 2 and 3 series with a 4a engine with
            a two-shaft cylinder head, with a capacity of up to 115 mares, which quite worked for itself both with manual transmission and automatic transmission. for the same America, it was supplied with automatic transmission and air conditioning. quite a working, inexpensive horse. or Ford Escort 2 is a medium-family, compact car. about cheaper-mystery covered darkness, who and when considered the market value of our car industry in those years.
    4. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 09: 14
      +5
      Lipchanin is another interpretation of the case with oak boxes for toilet bowls for export and enterprising businessmen who have prodded the chip. Buying a machine for 1000ue and weld on boards and scrap 500 maximum is nonsense, what then what now. Minus you mine and deserved.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 17
        -7
        Quote: evgen1221
        Buying a machine for 1000u and weld on boards and scrap 500 maximum is nonsense

        I don’t know exactly what they did with them, but it’s for sure that the broth would be good, otherwise they would not contact. And people who worked at this machine-tool plant and were in the subject told me
        Minus you mine and deserved.

        First advice. Minus until the morning
        Second advice. Run after me on all branches and keep minus until morning.
        1. evgen1221
          22 December 2020 12: 21
          +6
          Lipchanin Yes, you fell for me, tea is not red devitsa to run after you.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 December 2020 10: 52
        +7
        Quote: evgen1221
        Buying a machine for 1000 ye and weld on boards and scrap 500 maximum is nonsense, what then what now.

        This is from the same series, when a pair of KraZs crashed while unloading in a Japanese port, ours agreed to sell them to them at the price of scrap metal, and away we go: "The Japanese are buying new trucks and melting them!"
      3. dzvero
        dzvero 22 December 2020 13: 41
        +2
        For the sake of truth, such stories were not only in the USSR. We also said the same about typewriters, glass and electric forklifts.
    5. 72jora72
      72jora72 22 December 2020 09: 48
      +9
      Our machine tool factory sold machines to Japan. They willingly took it. Only a few years later did they find out what they were buying because of the wooden packaging.
      This is a common myth that has been exposed more than once. And I will tell you about the Kolomensky ZTS which produced a whole line of unique machines. The products of this plant were so unique that the famous Japanese company Hitachi in 1970 purchased its KU299 carousel machine. This truly huge machine had a faceplate, on which a workpiece with a diameter of up to 20 m with a total weight of under 560 tons could be placed. The Japanese at that time simply did not know how to build such machines. By the way, the Japanese paid for the business trips of specialists who mounted and set up and maintained this machine, almost 70 people (or do you think they were hired so that they would disassemble the packaging from the machine?)
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 22 December 2020 10: 23
        -8
        Quote: 72jora72
        This is a common myth that has been exposed more than once.

        By whom? Soviet propaganda? And I was told by people who worked at this plant and were in the subject
        And I will tell you about the Kolomensky ZTS which produced a whole line of unique machines... The products of this plant were so unique that the well-known Japanese company Hitachi in 1970 purchased its KU299 carousel machine.

        And I told you about the products of our plant
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 22 December 2020 11: 34
          +7
          people who worked at this plant and were in the subject
          I saw Soviet lathes in an abandoned (2010m) factory in England.
        2. Jünger
          Jünger 22 December 2020 15: 00
          +5
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Our machine tool factory sold machines to Japan. They willingly took it. Only a few years later did they find out what they were buying because of the wooden packaging.

          Well, you don't believe in this nonsense, do you? Well this is nonsense you are now setting out.
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And I was told by people who worked at this plant and were in the subject

          Can you imagine the comparative cost of wooden packaging and machine? A machine costs thousands, if not tens of thousands, and packaging costs only a few. Do you think the Japanese are idiots? laughing
          With such tales, you actually strongly discredit your other stories.
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  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 06: 10
    +12
    Let's start with how a citizen of the Union and the CMEA countries could get acquainted with Western life with their own eyes. Firstly, from television reports and newspapers, in general, from the official media. Secondly, it does not matter with regard to the packaging of Western goods: widespread and not so popular and their quality (and more on that separately), whether they were smuggled inside the USSR or not. Thirdly, during a business trip or a tourist trip to a capital country. There were no other options available.

    I will not start with what I have not seen and do not know. But I can say for sure - a huge proportion of political propaganda was present in television reports, newspaper and magazine "periodicals". And all of it was connected with the fact that the socialist system of management was opposed to the capitalist system with its "animal grin". Only in addition to this there were feature films, where in a (supposedly comedic key) situations with loans, bankruptcy, unemployment, lack of funds for treatment were glimpsed ... Maybe someone remembers "The Incredible Adventures of Dick and Jane"? You remember what the spouses did after they lost their jobs ... There were also "Generals of Sand Quarries" and many others, where directors completely independent of ideology showed pieces from real life.
    In the stories of the front-line soldiers there were plots in which they told how they got acquainted with the "amenities" in the occupied cities of Europe. What should I say? We all well remember this "reverence" with which imported goods and equipment were perceived. At the time when we watched domestic films on b / w film from the West, there was a stream of color film production.
    Okay, let's leave this time when Soviet people firmly believed that this abundance will come in our country, not understanding why somewhere in Novgorod or Saratov they cannot produce televisions like Japanese ones or Rosenlev refrigerators if socialism better than capitalism. And people did not know that the country's leaders, who rushed to imitate the West, did not take into account that the West itself “don’t get such a competitor for nothing, and don’t get enough money”. And while in China ...
    Farther:
    The Soviet Union officially purchased only high-quality consumer goods. That in itself formed the image of the superiority of capitalist goods among the population: after all, we were fenced off from a huge barrage of frankly low-quality junk.

    Junk? And now there is no such "junk" in the country? Good or bad, but the Soviet leadership did not try to profit from the citizens of the USSR, "snatching" them stale and low-quality imports. Shoes (even) of the brand "TSEBO" were preferable to "skorokhodovskaya" ... Although, at the same time, there were artels (in the "south") that sewed shoes no worse ...
    Probably, the socialist system was more attractive if, at the same time, the citizens of the USSR multiplied and multiplied very quickly, and the population of the USSR was the third in the world. But not everyone knows that the destruction of a country directly depends on the degree of genocide of the population by various reforms and laws. And the extinction of the titular nation will sooner or later lead to a non-return to its historical origins. Now, for example, they are breaking spears across the Crimea and the SKK. And a hundred years ago ...
    hi
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 22 December 2020 06: 21
      -13%
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In the stories of the front-line soldiers there were plots in which they told how they got acquainted with the "amenities" in the occupied cities of Europe. What should I say?

      And then they were imprisoned for their stories
    2. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 09: 38
      +5
      Ross 42 I agree with you. We lived with the care of the state in hothouse conditions and compared to the life of workers in the West in paradise to some extent. In the article I cited a photo of Nick Hadges from Birmengham 1970 (sorry for not inserting the site editor as a result) You can open the Slums of Birmengham on Yandex pictures. And compare how we lived at the same time in what conditions. And there, according to the source (photogrof), so people in the city lived in large quantities at factories. This is just horror and a bum by the standards of any time. Through their work, the people in the union received at one moment a large purchasing power (there was money) It was necessary to correct the ideology urgently for the release of consumer goods and new rails. without thinking about the already developed mentality of the Soviet person. The geopolitical tragedy was launched.
    3. DrEng527
      DrEng527 22 December 2020 16: 01
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      but the Soviet leadership did not try to profit from the citizens of the USSR,

      imported goods had a terrible markup ... so they made a profit ...
      Quote: ROSS 42
      that the destruction of the country directly depends on the degree of genocide of the population by various reforms and laws

      I'm waiting for your assessment of the IVS laws - for example, on paid education or on the prohibition of dismissals ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: DrEng527
        I am waiting for your assessment of the IVS laws - for example, on paid education

        Click "profile" and see the posts for September-October this year. I will not repeat myself ... But you can wait.
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 22 December 2020 16: 08
          -3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          But you can wait.

          lovers of the USSR can always be distinguished by their inner rudeness ... request
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 16: 10
            +5
            Quote: DrEng527
            lovers of the USSR can always be distinguished ...

            ... by inner restraint, love of facts and arguments, and independent thoughts ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 December 2020 06: 16
    +9
    Those who were born immediately after the war did not buy a candy wrapper. They knew the taste of real sweets. But it depended on the manufacturer. Each city (and residents) was proud of something of its own. Some are the Kremlin, others are on the embankment, others are simply the quality of cigarettes, vodka, machines. In addition to what the author described, there was Western radio. What is now being said about the USSR, I heard back in 1962. Nothing new has been invented. Of course, it was a shame to see foreign software on our machining centers, but that's another conversation. Tourism was tight. Maybe that's why we were less infected with various infections. Thanks to the author.
    1. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 09: 43
      +5
      Tourism abroad was tight, but crowds traveled around the country every year and there was always something to see, and every year families came up with a new route. Tourism in any big big country is getting richer mainly from casual tourists. Fewer people travel abroad in all countries. In Japan, with their incomes, residents mainly travel around their country, and they don't whine like ours.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 December 2020 06: 36
    +8
    Myths in the USSR and Russia about life in the West. The first part - they read the myths in the USSR about life in the West. Second part: Myths about Russia in the West, life will be ... Yes, the author of the bike, about Gym shoes for a funeral, with a big beard ... that takennooooooooooooooy.Takoe impressed that they just piled all the cities and towns, villages and countryside? USSR ... I have heard this story from different lips for 40 years already, the first time I heard it in a pioneer camp ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 05
      +5
      Alexey hi,
      the author forgot to mention galoshes - "fabulous" will be unhappy and will throw the pen on the table. laughing
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 December 2020 07: 10
        +6
        hi Uh-huh ... the article has a beginning, but no end .. smile
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 December 2020 07: 17
          +6
          The worst thing at the end is that he is ahead. Especially if it is in the back. wassat

        2. Fat
          Fat 22 December 2020 11: 26
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          hi Uh-huh ... the article has a beginning, but no end .. smile

          This is great in my opinion. Most readers have their own conclusions. The mastery of the author, as in European cinema. Happy ending is optional laughing ... Holyvar will happen at home after family viewing crying
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 22 December 2020 16: 08
        +1
        But you have not forgotten this fairy tale, about galoshes, there is a full quote of Putin in the comments above, can you read (if you have enough courage) and stop talking about this nonsense?
    2. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 09: 46
      +5
      Under our then distribution system, slippers could surface in different cities)))) I described a funny case from my family.
    3. Fat
      Fat 22 December 2020 17: 32
      +2
      Alexei! let's wait. I do not think that the Americans expected that at the return exhibition, they would be presented with something superb, that many ... Americans are the same breakthrough ...
      And this something will become a dream for generations ...
      But how did it happen - Pepsi-Cola and super-cuisine against man-made satellites of the earth? .. Not ice ...
      Space In the USSR, it was practically "conquered", with the rest it turned out to go further ... "as it should"
      And suddenly, completely unexpectedly, the United States was noted ... The American proletariat oppressed by the capitalists, inspired by the successes of the USSR ... put a card ... on the moon!
      Probably, for success, people need a dream ... No?
      I will not give an answer, I am toiling myself ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 December 2020 20: 26
        +2
        Probably, for success, the people need a dream ... I will not give an answer, I am toiling myself ...
        ... The most offensive and dreams are gone ... Especially in our country. Kennedy offered the American proletariat the Moon. And they agreed, this is understandable, the proletariat was almost all busy in production, did not suffer from unemployment, successfully took and paid off loans and waited for the "British" conquest of the United States, the Beatles, and in the 70s the flights to the moon stopped. The dream was closed. The ruling class no longer needed it, its problems appeared, the fuel crisis, the collapse of the imperialist system, revolutions here and there, the war in Vietnam, response to revolutions, coups .. What can our government offer us, what kind of dream? The CEC star, underwater farms? Unless they die in a nuclear war for their interests .. smile Under totalitarianism, bloody ... there was no other time ... when we were making cards on bearings, we dreamed that the best car would be invented in the USSR or in the CMEA country, by “ours.” Now children understand and know that the best car will be invented in China. Dreams are gone and nothing is left. wink
        1. Fat
          Fat 22 December 2020 20: 43
          +1
          Question ... Then what exactly does a person need. In my opinion, there are very few: Family, prosperity (not to be confused with wealth), friends and a dream. The main and spiritual is a dream, but this is the last position, rearrange the order - you will get W-poo ... yes
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 23 December 2020 08: 11
            0
            "For me, seniors, there is no better need, I will save some money for a house by the pond, So that in the hot summer it was cool, And so that the stove hums in the cold. So that this cherry garden hides this house And the birds nest at the eaves, And in the stall the faithful horse spun with his ears, And at dawn - roosters were singing. - Let's be fed and dressed Until the end of the world "(c).
        2. Fat
          Fat 22 December 2020 21: 44
          +1
          wassat The dream is for humanity. The dream is needed almost unattainable. Let's stop - let's die bully ... Previously, it was an expansion, now, as it turned out, the planet is small, where is the next. Is an existential crisis a crisis? Not? There are two options - either in breadth and in depth with a height, or inward ... To new horizons ... God forgive me ... micro (nano recourse ) and macro fellow ... laughing
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 December 2020 06: 52
    +6
    The author did not indicate the fourth method of obtaining information - the stories of a person who has visited the West.
    Remember how in the "diamond hand" ?:
    - Tomorrow is a lecture New York City of Contrasts!
    But then there were options: if it was a public speech, then the person would say "as needed", and if they were going to the kitchen, at a meeting, then some interesting little things could come up ...
    By the way, about the quality of imported goods: as a child, I remember that THREE foreign cars drove in the town where I grew up. In one of them (as I later found out, "Ford Granada") my father and I were given a lift. While my father was asking the owner about the auto-fineness, I examined the interior, knobs, switches ... And I realized that something remotely similar was found only in the Volga. But there in GAZ everything was strictly bureaucratic, but here it was bright and cheerful.
    Then my father told me that this Ford was not an expensive car by American standards. Like our "Zhiguli". And I felt hurt. Lada smaller and some kind of "chopped" or something ....
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 22 December 2020 08: 52
      +1
      In 1977 - 1980 taught in the village of Pokrovo-Berezovka, Kondolsky District, Penza Region. There was a selmag where they sold everything from shovels to oversized bras. But ... there were also sold French shirts "Mr. D", Yugoslavian boots and English dresses bought for his wife. Everything is very high quality. But ... occasionally. Here it is, and no. In the grocery store, they threw out Pizno beer in skegs for May, and for the New Year, the real "Kokur" and "New World". Rays of light ... All other products are also remembered, but it's better not to write about them!
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 December 2020 09: 48
        +5
        It was very simply explained
        The appearance of scarce goods in a regular store was usually explained by the fact that before the sale plan was fulfilled, the store needed a little help - so they threw up deficits, which they would immediately sort out. They could also sell "on load".
        The rest of the time, such goods were sold through the back rooms of specially designated shops with an entrance from the courtyard without a sign, according to the lists admitted from among the bosses.
        My mother-in-law, who once worked in such a grocery store, said that they called such buyers "Chinese".
      2. Fat
        Fat 22 December 2020 11: 53
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        All other products are also remembered, but it's better not to write about them!

        During the time I was knocked out of my peace of mind by the OPC system at enterprises. There, in the presence of not lazy, not indifferent, heads of trade unions, party committee and directors of enterprises, there was always something that was in "rush" demand ... I judge not only by our ORS, I had a chance to earn money on the railway, unloading cars for this system (they paid more). .. Recently I reread the article by Yu.V. Andropov's "The Teachings of Karl Marx and Some Questions of Socialist Construction in the USSR". The then General Secretary walked well through the existing Soviet distribution system, but for some reason everyone thinks that the main emphasis is "unearned income" ... repeat
    2. evgen1221
      22 December 2020 09: 48
      +7
      This is the fourth case included in the article. Read it carefully and you will certainly see it. According to Zhiguli sleep, the task was to provide the mass population with a car, and the design and whistles of the union were all the way in the corral. Perhaps if the union had reorganized in time to satisfy the growing wishes of its citizens, I am sure that we would have such cars with whistles of different colors.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 22 December 2020 08: 39
    +2
    The article is called "Myths of the USSR and Russia .." Where about Russia in the article? but about the USSR it is fundamentally correct written .. But from the point of view of modern Russia, there is no analysis in the article ..
  • safar gafarov
    safar gafarov 22 December 2020 08: 58
    +8
    the artists and minor officials (stealing on a large scale) hit the spot. Malakha recently showed excerpts from the blue lights of the Soviet years. So there are only heroes of labor and war, scientists and just working people at the tables. And the artists seem to serve them, that is, entertain in pauses between stories about the next hero of labor. And right now what we see. Apart from the artists, nobody. This still would not go anywhere. But tell me what a joy it is to me to see the pets of these artists or their children and grandchildren. The Internet is full of headlines about the lives of artists. . (especially the alka got it. It remains only to write what time she goes to the toilet and what her shit consists of)
    1. Fat
      Fat 22 December 2020 12: 10
      +1
      Safar, don't bother. Artists want material benefits (decent wages, in general, not easy work). Any PR is good. And show business, he's all about it. laughing wassat crying
      Don't forget the main thing. Artists are employees. Their remuneration depends on the demand for their services.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 December 2020 09: 15
    +5
    "Nowhere is their past so respected as in Russia. In France, Napoleon brought a lot of troubles to his people, and he is respected" -Kedmi. Gradually anti-Sovietism turned into Russophobia. The struggle between the liberals who changed their shoes and those who wanted to stay in old slippers began. All this anti-Sovietism is fed by corporations. There is no need to argue about what we had worse and what was better. We ate no worse than now. True, there were no exquisite dishes, but even now they are not available to everyone. Now there is such a technique that you will be envious. But the labels on it are all foreign. Either it's a license or an import. It's been 30 years of a new country. And I must say, we did not start from scratch. All scientific developments remained from the former country.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 22 December 2020 09: 57
      -2
      Quote: nikvic46
      not available to everyone.

      Remember the reprise of Arkady Raikin? "Let everyone have everything, but let something be missing!" Why should everyone have enough? Now the homeless man can buy caviar if he wants. And then ... only the "responsible employee". There is a difference, right?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 December 2020 10: 44
        +4
        There is a difference, right?
        Then there were no homeless people
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 22 December 2020 11: 01
          -3
          But there were beggars, I remember that well. Not many, but they walked and begged through the streets. They disappeared only after 1967 ...
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 22 December 2020 12: 12
            +1
            Vyacheslav: Even if everyone lives without need, there will still be beggars. There is often not poverty, but what is inherent in the character. Remember the words of Ostap ave Kisu.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 22 December 2020 13: 28
              0
              Quote: nikvic46
              Vyacheslav: Even if everyone lives without need, there will still be beggars. There is often not poverty, but what is inherent in the character. Remember the words of Ostap ave Kisu.

              Gold words. Do you know why under the tsar it was forbidden to put privates in the guardhouse for more than 3 months? They lost their speaking skills, and some went crazy. But how many officers have been in solitary confinement for a year or more? And nothing ... one even wrote a play and learned French.
        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 22 December 2020 12: 31
          -5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Then there were no homeless people

          Yeah, all were responsible workers, had a Moscow residence permit and lived in the center of the capital and only huddled in Solntsevo and Lyubertsy. laughing
          1. Fat
            Fat 22 December 2020 13: 00
            +1
            I almost agree with you until the moment when the Moscow industry and the "proletarians" finally gave way to office plankton. "Office work" and "workflow" won the artists, engineers, plumbers and lifters. Ave!
        3. Fat
          Fat 22 December 2020 15: 01
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          There is a difference, right?
          Then there were no homeless people

          There were no "beggars"? This is a profession, God forgive me, and not a disaster in most cases. wassat
      2. Fat
        Fat 22 December 2020 14: 54
        0
        Oleg Vyacheslavovich, yes, but by and large - no. In the sense of "Tell me - is this not Queen Victoria? - no, this is not ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 10: 38
      +6
      Quote: nikvic46
      "Nowhere is their past so respected as in Russia. In France, Napoleon brought a lot of troubles to his people, and he is respected" -Kedmi.

      Let's do it differently. Kedmi has a phrase:
      “In general, Russia is an amazing country. There is not a single country in the world today that so loves to trample its history in history "...

      https://ok.ru/video/1114765789875
      The complex biography of this man made him a greater citizen of Russia today than some "civilians" and "half-state" ones. That is why I suggest listening to the entire passage.
      Quote: nikvic46
      And I must say, we did not start from scratch. All scientific developments remained from the former country.

      And it's not all over yet.
      Actually, if you start to conduct dialogues, it turns out that the majority of adequately thinking people conduct correspondence on the site implying the same thing. Which says that we lived right and we want the country to develop in the right direction.
      hi
  • wow
    wow 22 December 2020 09: 24
    +4
    When I was very little, in 73-74, a friend of my parents brought an open swimsuit from a tour to Italy. Well, very cute. We went with her to the beach, she (friend) climbed into the water and ..., barely had time to jump out and wrap a beach towel around herself. The swimsuit that turned out to be just for tanning was made of bumazeye, spread out right before our eyes. The laughter was - not to convey!
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 22 December 2020 09: 59
      -4
      Quote: yo-mine
      brought an open swimsuit from a tour to Italy.

      Who was to blame that our people were not trained in languages ​​(stress on "s"!) ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 10: 45
      +3
      Quote: yo-mine
      The swimsuit that turned out to be just for tanning was made of bumazeye, spread out right before our eyes.

      And there were also joke shops where swimwear that became transparent in seawater were sold: sugar, when dissolved in a cup of tea, worms floated to the surface; "Fart pillows", when landing on which a characteristic sound and other attributes were emitted. By the way, there were shops with funeral accessories, where one-time clothes made of boomazi and shoes were sold "on the last journey" (not to be confused with bots "goodbye youth") ... laughing
  • victor50
    victor50 22 December 2020 10: 00
    +3
    Good article. Maybe not all the reasons are indicated, but those that are noted are correct. Once on the Internet I came across a series of photographs of foreign correspondents. Household sketches of the late 50s - 70s. Until I read the signatures, I believed that the Soviet Union was removed from the same period. It turned out - the USA! Even the clothes were almost the same. Everything was very similar to the photo in small towns and in the countryside. I think there was no need to break it - with a good organization, the standard of living now would not be much different from the advanced models.
  • Avior
    Avior 22 December 2020 10: 10
    +1
    Frivolous article
    In the Club of Film Travel, all sorts of African countries and others were often shown, the show of capitalist countries was very limited, the plots were carefully verified. This is not heads and tails.
    International ponorama generally specialized in scourging the vices of capitalist society, for contrast, except that the good life in the West was shown, usually without advertising the middle class.
    The radio voice was jammed, they periodically told how many minutes a Western worker had to work to buy a pack of oil, and how many a Soviet worker had to work.
    Frequently they talked about the fact that the unemployed in the States get on the car and go to look for work; for a resident of the USSR, the car was not only an unattainable dream, but rather a rarity, except that at the end of the Union it became more.
    There were different stories about the West, somehow about stores for the dead from which they brought shirts with a fastener on the back, and so on - when I first got to Europe, I subconsciously looked out for such stores :))), about the fact that our equipment was taken for melting or for the sake of containers, I read a lot of them in the thread, but in general everyone understood that the standard of living there is higher.
    Those who went abroad to capitalist countries did not talk too much, except perhaps to their own, but in general they were a curiosity with imported things, like Samokhvalov.
    But in general, the number of those who were even in socialist countries was not very large, the trips were one-time, as a rule. The vouchers were not cheap - I remember in the rural area all summer there was an advertisement for a cruise in the Mediterranean Sea for 1100 rubles - a lot of money, with a normal salary of 120-140 rubles.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 11: 00
      +6
      Quote: Avior
      In the Club of Film Travel, all sorts of African countries and others were often shown, the show of capitalist countries was very limited, the plots were carefully verified. This is not heads and tails.
      International ponorama in general specialized in scourging the vices of capitalist society, in contrast, the good life in the West was shown, usually without advertising the middle class.

      By the way, today we are convinced on our backs that all the "blackening" of the capitalist system, the speculative market economy is a delirium of the inflamed imagination of the "Kremlin elders" ... wassat
      We were not shown programs of the type: "How is it done" so that we do not go crazy with the automation that stamped not only "consumer goods" goods, but also allowed us to build subway tunnels, "Hoover dams" and turned them into recyclable materials (utilized) absolutely any thing.
      We were told that bank loans can drive anyone who loses their livelihood into bondage. We were told that an employer in a crisis can throw out workers, pay them severance pay, and close production. We were shown industrial centers like Detroit, which are currently a “blooming garden” and whose state we can compare with the ghosts of mono-cities that appeared with the advent of capitalism in Russia. We learned about the unique heart transplant operations and after that, about their cost ... stop But we were lied to (.) (?)
  • tank66
    tank66 22 December 2020 10: 12
    +3
    Figs knows, I think I grew up in a parallel USSR - without myths. I used to wear sandals and felt boots after my brother. School uniforms / blue / -you can hardly break with a nail. However, I had to tinker the sticks myself. /. Fought yard to yard. The energy of tsy, you see, was splashing out. In the pioneer lag, after watching "The Elusive", it used to be sad that in my age there would be no war - soon communism and peace on the planet. In the store, 15 rubles each / awesomely expensive / pressed black caviar, ugly, parents They took it to the festive table, I didn't like it. Here is condensed milk on tap, 5 liters is a thrill / of course, not every day /. There was enough imported Pomorin. By the way, the first thing that I bought myself was Cebo's shoes, I remember -55 rubles. Exactly half pay / in 110 rubles / in the summer after the 7th grade - for a couple of months I worked, I did not strain as a low-grade car mechanic, somehow they arranged it from the Criminal Procedure Code. The rest was given to my mother - awesome sensations of a breadwinner. The first jeans were Vietnamese for them as- Then Vereya went to them and joined the army -1984 ... At the railway station in Chardzhou, these gins were exchanged for 7 bottles of Chemen / or Chashma / + tights bu ...
  • pytar
    pytar 22 December 2020 10: 14
    -4
    I will try to refute the myth (and its origins in the USSR) about how well life was in the West. Where did it go to the masses and what did it lead to? ... as a citizen of the Union and the CMEA countries could get acquainted with Western life with his own eyes. Firstly, from television reports and newspapers, in general, from the official media. Secondly, on the packaging of Western goods: wide and not so consumption and their quality ... Thirdly, during a business trip or a tourist trip to the capitalist country. There were no other options available. And on the basis of these data, the person compared how it is there and how it is living here. And he made the appropriate conclusions.

    With this judgment, the author refuted himself! laughing The totalitarian "socialist" regimes, with all their might, limited the ability of their citizens to compare, like in our country and in the West! Total censorship, restriction of travel in Western countries, propaganda such as "how bad it is, but how good it is with us"! They were restricting, because they were completely afraid of the truth! The comparison was clearly not in our favor! They fenced off people behind a barbed wall and mine strips, jammed Western radio stations, newspapers and magazines only of the type funded by them the communist L'Humanité!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 December 2020 10: 45
      +3
      I'm still limited to going to the West
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 22 December 2020 11: 06
        -3
        Quote: Gardamir
        I'm still limited to going to the West

        Why, I wonder? Place of work or money?
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 22 December 2020 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      Fenced off the people behind a barbed wall

      And literally! I went to Bulgaria in 1991 by train - our border is really like in a concentration camp, and a terrible mess ... there was no shmon at the border of Romania with Bulgaria ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 22 December 2020 17: 25
        +2
        And literally! I went to Bulgaria in 1991 by train - our border is really like in a concentration camp, and a terrible mess ... there was no shmon at the border of Romania with Bulgaria ...

        So it was, dear Sergey! hi The authorities fenced us behind the stobors so that we would not know what was behind it, and so that people would not fled from the "socialist paradise"! Moreover, each of our countries, fenced off from neighboring socialist countries! The result is a giant camp of small camps! The situation changed immediately after the 90s. For example, walking along the beach in Dobrudja, I crossed the border without noticing it. It just doesn't exist. I realized that I was in Romania when a Romanian mobile operator congratulated me on the routing! During the socialist period, he served on the same Bulgarian-Romanian border. On both sides, machine gunners, barriers, in truth Romanian were clearly poorer, they looked just pitiful against the background of ours!
        1. DrEng527
          DrEng527 22 December 2020 18: 24
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          in truth the Romanians were clearly poorer, they looked just a pity against the background of ours!

          I also noted that you lived better than ours ... hi Then I was in Bulgaria more than once, somewhere around 2004 we got better, and in 2007 it seemed that you’re poor ... I haven’t been there since then ..
          1. pytar
            pytar 22 December 2020 21: 21
            +3
            Then I was in Bulgaria more than once, somewhere around 2004 we got better, and in 2007 it seemed that you’re poor ... I haven’t been there since then ..

            Yes, that is right. Russia is the richest country in the world in resources! And Bulgaria is practically devoid of resources. After 2000, oil and gas prices were high and you feel better than ours. Our economy was being rebuilt then. We have something better, but in general it is definitely not worse than yours. I often visit Russia, my relatives are Russians. To be honest, I am sorry to look at the current Russian reality ... I really hope that everything will change for the better, but this is unlikely under the power. hi
    3. victor50
      victor50 25 December 2020 16: 31
      0
      Quote: pytar
      They were restricting, because they were completely afraid of the truth! The comparison was clearly not in our favor!

      Let me touch on intelligence. Then and now. Can you tell why there were so many volunteers who wanted to work for the intelligence of the USSR, they say, so many - for free? Can you tell me why there is no such thing now, as there are practically no allies? Which were almost half the world. And, well, yes, we are not able to pay them, like the USSR. We save money for ourselves. Only the result of this savings is not visible. request
      1. pytar
        pytar 25 December 2020 17: 20
        0
        Can you tell why there were so many volunteers who wanted to work for the intelligence of the USSR, they say, so many - for free?

        Very simple! Then there was an ideology, and there will always be ideological ideas! fellow By the way, the current Russian. intelligence in no way goes with the Soviet! Degradation, one failure ...
        Can you tell me why there is no such thing now, as there are practically no allies?

        I think this is not the fault of potential allies! Modern Russia has collected in itself all the worst from capitalism and the former totalitarian society. Who likes this?
        We save money for ourselves. Only the result of this savings is not visible.

        You, the common people, save! And the oligarsi live awesomely sharp! That's the whole truth!
        1. victor50
          victor50 25 December 2020 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Very simple! Then there was an ideology, and there will always be ideological ideas! By the way, the current Russian. intelligence in no way goes with the Soviet! Degradation, one failure ...
          Can you tell me why there is no such thing now, as there are practically no allies?

          I think this is not the fault of potential allies! Modern Russia has collected in itself all the worst from capitalism and the former totalitarian society. Who likes this?
          We save money for ourselves. Only the result of this savings is not visible.

          You, the common people, save! And the oligarsi live awesomely sharp! That's the whole truth!

          I hope you didn’t answer me that ?! wink The question was rhetorical. Bulgaria? My thoughts and conclusions are confirmed by a foreigner! Good luck to you!
  • ALARI
    ALARI 22 December 2020 10: 46
    +3
    Myths are myths, but only a few of those who left there come back. And while this tendency persists, to say something about the mythical West is to lie to oneself.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 December 2020 10: 52
    0
    so it was for the aboriginal beads they sold the country, "today he dances jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland"
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 22 December 2020 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: vladimir1155
      so it was for the aboriginal beads they sold the country,

      it was a strange country, since it was sold for beads ... request
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 22 December 2020 12: 19
    +1
    I read it, went and picked up quite suitable American ROCKY ankle boots, which were given to us in the service back in 1999 or 98, I don't remember the exact year. Manufactured in the USA for work in mountainous conditions. They are still alive, they have never even been repaired, they do not need this yet. I don’t remember Soviet, Russian-made shoes with such mileage. Even modern brands (but made in China and other Vietnam) such as Caterpillar or Columbia have not been with me for more than 2 years. So, not all the best was produced in the Union ... request
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 22 December 2020 15: 31
      +1
      Quote: Tank Hard
      I read it, went and picked up quite suitable American ROCKY ankle boots, which were given to us in the service back in 1999 or 98, I don't remember the exact year.

      Omon's ankle boots bought in 2003-2004 from our production. I threw it out last year only. So we can.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 22 December 2020 20: 29
        0
        Quote: Junger
        Omon's ankle boots bought in 2003-2004 from our production. I threw it out last year only. So we can

        An interesting alignment, I have never come across such from "ours". All fell apart, it's good if they lived for 2 years. request
  • iouris
    iouris 22 December 2020 12: 42
    -2
    What's this. And what myths were created in the Russian Federation about life in the USSR!
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 22 December 2020 15: 56
    +2
    Just curious - has the author ever been abroad? bully
    I will say this - I am not emotional, but when I first visited Smith, the level of reaction was comparable to that in the movie Moscow on the Hudson ... wink
  • dgonni
    dgonni 22 December 2020 16: 21
    +2
    Well, that's the author's idea.
    Yes, when the scoop was import. Yes, it was taken mostly sensible. But the question is what was bought at the sales, so to speak, and clearly not new! The same adiki or cougar sneakers that were brought into the union were taken from the fact that now there is a stock! The same was true of all imports of clothing and footwear. New items only for black land through sailors who worked in foreign countries!
    The guys from the trade missions had a lot of money out of the air on such purchases. For it was past the cash register!
    Those who don't believe can talk to their ex. They remember those times with tears in their eyes!
    With regards to electronics, the situation is the same, but since Japan was in those days MUCH cheaper than European brands. Then, according to the same scheme, the playing music was purchased.
    So the Japanese combine harvesters were so popular, it was something with something. It was worth incredible money but it went away at times.
    For reliability, it pushed any Soviet technology into distant distances. Both household and military. Even after the collapse of the union, some specimens continue to work for hard workers on construction sites in wild conditions and temperatures without problems.
    So Japan was then no match for modern!
    Shirpotrebovskie watch Montana; it's mostly sailors. For to buy a dozen for 5 bucks and sell on a hundred square meters in bulk was still that fat.
    Afghanistan dramatically lowered sailors in this regard. By the way, they were not very happy.
    Union machines were exported! It is a fact. However, like tractors and some other civilian equipment.
    That de Ivanovo plant worked with its processing centers mainly in Europe. Well, let's say so 50/50. But since Europe did not pursue our CNC filling, eelectronics for machine tools was bought for mechanics.
    Those who worked on such machines remember their actual indestructibility because tuned soviet mechanics and electronics from shchapad gave a monstrous effect. It didn't break and plowed three shifts a day for years.
    There were also Soviet machines. I don't remember the plant already. A type of semiautomatic machine with CNC. Analogous reliability of mechanics and imported electronics. A hard worker near two machines was in the soap just for a shift. Not a second of downtime.
    Tractors! Export options MTZ and YuMZ, as the exporters said, are reliable, inexpensive, and unpretentious in operation. But the service issue was at the seams. Trade missions reaped money for this. Better to buy a stock of junk and put money in a moneybox or bank.
    For life over the hill, they recognized either from relatives or through second hands.
    As a friend used to say after 3 foreign trips. If I had a contract in Europe, I would live in my house. I would have a car and a car. And my dena would not have huddled with me at my parents!
    In general, everyone had the understanding that a working person in a foreign country lives much better.
    We don't touch cars. Any ten-year-old scrap metal brought from the West or Japan. Not speaking for the states. Lay the domestic automotive industry on both blades, reliability and comfort.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich 22 December 2020 20: 36
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      I beg your pardon, why are there so many mistakes, editors are everywhere ...
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 22 December 2020 21: 02
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        Costs of thumbs and little time for editing on the site;)
        1. Petr Vladimirovich
          Petr Vladimirovich 23 December 2020 18: 50
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          Text editors are available both on laptop computers and on phones. The notes are highlighted in red, the phones underline and write the correct version on top ... laughing
  • Helixtruck
    Helixtruck 22 December 2020 17: 15
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    The question is in the standard of living and social guarantees. To this, albeit for the second time, is added a level of rights and freedoms. And people evaluate all this realistically, and not according to the stories of propagandists. The market economy perfectly regulates the relationship between needs and production. Democratic mechanisms force politicians to provide an acceptable standard of living for the people. In most of the post-Soviet space, they are still trying to keep the people in a fist, and are forced to work from under the stick. From this and all development and prospects. Much due to the desire for life-long power of those who are "from rags to riches".
  • zenion
    zenion 22 December 2020 19: 50
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    Recently this year I watched the competition of guys from RU USA in turning works. Ordinary machines of the same class. And then the master took them to the fence and showed them a machine from the USSR and it was 1K62P. They crowded together and the master turned it on himself, put the workpiece on and turned on such chips that they gasped. The machine had the name of the plant and a red quality mark.
  • mister-red
    mister-red 22 December 2020 20: 42
    +1
    Let's start with how a citizen of the Union and the CMEA countries could get acquainted with Western life with their own eyes. Firstly, from television reports and newspapers, in general, from the official media. Secondly, it does not matter with regard to the packaging of Western goods: widespread and not so popular and their quality (and more on that separately), whether they were smuggled inside the USSR or not. Thirdly, during a business trip or a tourist trip to a capital country. There were no other options available.

    ... that cinema is the most important of all arts for us. IN AND. Lenin
    In fact, the quote is controversial, because Lenin did not write it anywhere, just someone heard and retold. And the author forgot about the movie.
    You can hear it a thousand times, but it's better to see it once. American films were shown not so much in the 70s, early 80s, but in the USA they were not shown at all. Therefore, there was an idea of ​​the life of ordinary Americans. Though fragmentary, it was. Therefore, when information poured in a stream, not everything surprised me. But I remember well the reaction and questions of the Americans on the television bridges popular in the late 90s. Apart from Stalin's repressions, they knew nothing about us. Well, that is absolutely. Even why there are no blacks in the hall, there was such a question. Probably, somewhere there are records, who may be interested to look.
    I would estimate my level of knowledge of life as an American in the mid-80s somewhere in 20-25% of what I know now. Their level of knowledge about us is 0. Stalinist repression is history, I probably knew about their Great Depression.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 22 December 2020 20: 44
    +1
    Interesting point of view. Moreover, she is bold at the present time!
    Although I always realized that the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
    Thanks to the author.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 23 December 2020 01: 12
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    The author is our strong Soviet plus!
    The wife sat next to me, read the article and agreed in many places.
    Yes, the Soviet trade representatives did not eat delicious bread and butter for nothing, and if imports came here, it was of a very strong quality, if you get it, there is something to be happy about. If it is "KlimA", then it is real French perfume.
    And Mikoyan traveled around the world, including America, not state money with prostitutes to Courchevel. And the Chicago slaughterhouses showed us the way to the industrial production of sausages and sausages, the best ice cream in his opinion became our ice cream and popsicle, which is loved by the current Chinese builders of communism, the best varieties of Czech beer began to be produced in industrial quantities under the brand "Zhigulevskoe", Velvet "and some others.
    But we rose from the rubble of the Civil War, and then the Great Patriotic War, our competitors were the entire technologically developed industrial West, and it was not predetermined who would lose this race.
    I was very impressed by the interview with Edita Piekha, who studied in post-war Leningrad, and when she came to her mother in France with a suitcase of stewed meat on vacation, she had round eyes: what are you doing there? But in the 70s, our children and farmers were already chasing foreigners, begging for chewing gum, a fountain pen or a badge.
    What happened between the same 50s and 70s? And Khrushchev frolicked, not so long, but laid mines, in the economy, in ideology, in the accounting and planning system, undermined the people's faith in everything that is possible and impossible. And until now, his instructions continue, the same struggle with Stalin at the state level - is this what our people need? Yes, it seems not, and people when possible in this unequivocally and definitely make it clear.
    Then who needs it? And why is it necessary?
    Or maybe this is a recipe for management - to have a jacket, breeches, an overcoat and a pipe, but to know where to lead the people, why and why? And not to be afraid to say it, not to lie? Not to nod to past centuries, millennia - but to lay a powerful foundation for future centuries?
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2020 20: 11
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      ... interview with Edita Piekha, who studied in post-war Leningrad, and when she came to her mother in France with a suitcase of stewed meat for the holidays, she had round eyes: what are you doing there?

      Piekha came to study in the USSR already under Khrushchev, and really studied for only a year, then her singing career began
      Her mother lived in Poland
  • sergej987
    sergej987 23 December 2020 13: 44
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    As I read that they watched the program "International Review", everything became clear from the epic of aftar.
    In the USSR there was an International Manorama. The author of the campaign knows nothing about the Union.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 23 December 2020 14: 20
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    Quote: Aerodrome
    The Union sold many of its machine tools and other things to the West, and not just to the CMEA countries and Africa. What if our product was unusable? They wouldn't take it. However, they bought it very willingly, which indicates its relevance.
    Putin said that only galoshes were made in the USSR, and he himself, not on a Boeing, flies ...

    Not tired of broadcasting this garbage taken out of context?
  • faterdom
    faterdom 23 December 2020 20: 20
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    Quote: Avior
    ... interview with Edita Piekha, who studied in post-war Leningrad, and when she came to her mother in France with a suitcase of stewed meat for the holidays, she had round eyes: what are you doing there?

    Piekha came to study in the USSR already under Khrushchev, and really studied for only a year, then her singing career began
    Her mother lived in Poland

    The fact that under Khrushchev does not mean that Stalin's groundwork has already been eaten away - it has not yet been completely squandered, many academics only in this and last decades have gone into a better world
  • Atilla
    Atilla 23 December 2020 23: 03
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    Maybe it's enough to remember already about the USSR, that some people are not letting go. Is it difficult to analyze life in today's Russia and the West? How is the implementation of the May decrees progressing there, or are national projects being implemented and are not any differences hindering this?
    1. evgen1221
      26 December 2020 08: 16
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      Yes, how the May fairy tales are advancing, yes, as all fairy tales should. Unforgettable from the word at all))))
  • Selevc
    Selevc 28 December 2020 08: 41
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    Artificial restrictions on the import of imported goods into the USSR only fueled unhealthy interest in them among the masses ... This is a very big mistake of the Soviet leadership ...