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Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed

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From the relationship between Moscow and Tokyo, the problem of the islands of the southern Kuril ridge will cease to exist in 2021. Japan's refusal from the "northern territories", as Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai are called in this country, may be influenced by the receipt of a vaccine against the coronavirus from Russia.


Such an unexpected suggestion was made by RIA News Itsuro Nakamura is a professor at the University of Tsukuba who is considered an expert on Russia in Japan.

The Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed. He thinks that the adoption of constitutional amendments in the Russian Federation this year makes any negotiations between Moscow and Tokyo on the territorial issue impossible. Despite this, relations between Russia and Japan may face a reset.

Japanese-Russian relations will end the problem of the northern territories next year, but thanks to the Olympics and the vaccine, they may be able to make a leap into a new era.

Nakamura said.

In his opinion, the British and American vaccines against COVID-19 will not be enough for the organization of the Olympic Games in Tokyo in the Land of the Rising Sun, it will also need a Russian one.

In 2020, 206 amendments were made to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, including a ban on transferring parts of the country's territory to other states. At the same time, the new edition adds that alienation is prohibited if it is not about demarcation and delimitation of borders
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  1. iouris
    iouris 20 December 2020 13: 44
    +13
    We are constantly "thrown" this topic here. Inevitably, you begin to doubt.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 December 2020 13: 46
      -15%
      Quote: iouris
      Inevitably, you begin to doubt.

      Have you ever stopped?
      1. iouris
        iouris 20 December 2020 13: 50
        +15
        Thank you for your follow up closely. Happy professional holiday!
        1. nnm
          nnm 20 December 2020 14: 30
          +19
          By the way, everything is not so unambiguous with the constitution. At the last moment, interesting amendments were made to the very article (67):
          "... The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed. "
          That is, to change the demarcation line, you can give the new Damansky, and the islands and everything will be within the law. But oh, they don't like to talk about this amendment ...
          1. stalki
            stalki 20 December 2020 14: 42
            +13
            Yes, but delimitation, demarcation, etc. can be bilateral. That is, the expansion of the borders of the Russian Federation.
            1. nnm
              nnm 20 December 2020 14: 49
              +13
              Then they would have written in a reservation that something like "... only in cases of increasing the area of ​​the territory of the Russian Federation."
              And so ... it looks more like a bait for voting on changes, which, in fact, has a foundation that absolutely kills its official meaning.
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 20 December 2020 15: 06
                +6
                Any alienation of territories after Crimea is a shot not in the leg, but in the head of any leader who will agree to such a thing. And then no amendments to the Constitution on immunity will save him. In Russia, amendments are easily adopted, easily and canceled. Although this only means a new one. At the top, I hope they understand.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 20 December 2020 15: 09
                  +19
                  You know, there was such a country - the USSR! And we all voted for its preservation at the referendum, and we thought that no one "would do something like that," but history has shown that nothing is impossible. And about a shot in the head .... and how, having given even Damansky to China, was there a lot of noise? Or how Medvedev gave to Norway huge areas of fish spawning ... well, at least someone asked us?
                  Whoever owns the media forms the opinion of the society. And who owns the media ...?
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 20 December 2020 15: 53
                    +11
                    But at the expense of Japan's refusal to dispute over the islands - this is nonsense.
                    They have this national fix idea.
                    And Russia will sell the vaccine to everyone. Regardless of the relationship. And to someone for sure in debt or even give it.
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 20 December 2020 15: 59
                      +6
                      Let's just say - at this historical period it is. Is there a guarantee, for example, that in 5, 10, 15 years, new versions of Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, Kozyrev will not be in power ...? And I don’t quite understand how the issue of the islands is fundamentally different from the Damansky and the section transferred to Norway? Without words about strategic importance, etc. What is fundamentally different from the fact that we squander those same Kemsky volosts that we did not annex to our country from the Kuril Islands?
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 20 December 2020 19: 07
                        -3
                        Is there a guarantee, for example, that in 5, 10, 15 years, new versions of Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, Kozyrev will not be in power ...?

                        We all have a guarantee. Who else? hi
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 20 December 2020 19: 23
                        +5
                        The Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed. He thinks that the adoption of constitutional amendments in the Russian Federation this year makes any negotiations between Moscow and Tokyo on the territorial issue impossible. Despite this, relations between Russia and Japan may face a reset.

                        In his opinion, the British and American vaccines against COVID-19 will not be enough for the organization of the Olympic Games in Tokyo in the Land of the Rising Sun, it will also need a Russian one.

                        stop What kind of RELOADING of relations between Japan and Russia is the Japanese talking about ?! If Japan is not sovereign in principle and depends on the will of the United States!

                        All the more so military and civilian objects on the territory of Japan, not under the jurisdiction of Japan. The legal basis for the presence of American bases on the country's territory is the American-Japanese Treaty on Mutual Cooperation and Security, signed in 1960.

                        Militaristic Japan, which is under US patronage, cannot be trusted in principle!
                        At the same time, no transfer to Japan of the Russian vaccine against coronavirus-19 is able to change something in Japan's relations with the Russian Federation on the Kuril issue. The Japanese are simply using our vaccine to overcome the pandemic and will take on their "Northern Territories" to threaten Russia further and with renewed vigor.
                    2. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 20 December 2020 19: 30
                      -1
                      the problem is that the Japanese at one time missed the moment ... now they can only sit and wait for Russia to weaken again to the level of the 90s, which I hope will never happen again
                  2. K-612-O
                    K-612-O 20 December 2020 16: 40
                    +1
                    In such a country, the USSR, there was a mad corn-grower who distributed the territories of Russia to Ukraine and Kazakhstan, fell out with China, and signed a memorable treaty on the islands.
                  3. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 20 December 2020 17: 58
                    0
                    Quote: nnm
                    having given even Damansky to China, was there a lot of noise? Or how Medvedev of Norway gave up huge areas of fish spawning ...

                    laughing laughing laughing And again, the muddy three letters shove this greasy hat here. Now, only the same narrow-minded bourgeois, who are too lazy to look for detailed information on these moments once again, are being led to this blizzard. More thoroughly, more thoroughly, yeah. yes
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 20 December 2020 18: 10
                      -1
                      And what is this information "for these moments", colleague? I'm really curious. And then such an active comment you have, for sure, I lied somewhere, distorted the essence, or kept silent about something. Enlighten, please ..
                      Or is it simply easier for you to be rude than to refute something in essence, or to state your detailed opinion?
                2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 20 December 2020 15: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: VORON538
                  a shot not in the leg, but in the head of any leader who will do something like that.

                  Come on. Again, a crowd of sycophants will take up the keyboards and tell everyone how the Russian people, in fact, should rejoice at what has happened and how the cunning Vova has beaten everyone again. And you know, many, for the umpteenth time, will again allow themselves to be made idiots.
                3. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 20 December 2020 15: 45
                  +5
                  It's hard to believe what Nakamura said. But it's good that he said that. Although these words will significantly complicate his life: in Japan there are many frostbitten nationalist revanchists.
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 20 December 2020 19: 33
                    -6
                    Oh yeah...
                    There are a lot of these comrades ... that's why you need it as in a song, that's why in Russia it's so damn missiles ...
              2. stalki
                stalki 20 December 2020 15: 20
                +5
                Then they would have written in a reservation that something like "... only in cases of increasing the area of ​​the territory of the Russian Federation."
                And so ... it looks more like a bait for voting on changes, which, in fact, has a foundation that absolutely kills its official meaning.
                This is a legal trick, if you write this openly, then the rest of the world does not even need to strain to declare us aggressors, it will no longer have to look for reasons for sanctions, etc. We need to lobby our interests competently. We have the right to interpret our laws as we need.
              3. Semenov
                Semenov 20 December 2020 17: 42
                +1
                Quote: nnm
                more like bait for vote on changes

                A double interpretation of this particular amendment was discussed even before the vote.
              4. Machito
                Machito 21 December 2020 06: 27
                +5
                Quote: nnm
                Then they would have written in a reservation that something like "... only in cases of increasing the area of ​​the territory of the Russian Federation."
                And so ... it looks more like a bait for voting on changes, which, in fact, has a foundation that absolutely kills its official meaning.

                Judging by the fact that the United States openly calls Russia an enemy, Japan, an ally of the United States, does not expect any territorial concessions. Nobody will concede territory to the enemy.
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 20 December 2020 16: 45
              +6
              Quote: stalki
              ... demarcation, etc., can be bilateral. That is, the expansion of the borders of the Russian Federation.
              And regarding the expansion of borders, no forbidden amendments were adopted. A ban was adopted on alienation, that is, on bestowal.
              Or am I missing something?
            3. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 20 December 2020 17: 09
              +2
              Quote: stalki
              That is, the expansion of the borders of the Russian Federation.

              That is, we keep in mind the option of Japan joining the Russian Federation? wink
              It would be interesting! good
              1. Machnamh
                Machnamh 20 December 2020 18: 01
                +2
                Quote: Starover_Z
                That is, we keep in mind the option of Japan joining the Russian Federation?
                It would be interesting!


                And why does the same RF need it? First of all for the Russians. As the most numerous and fundamental ethno. 78 percent so I remember. This is a popular suggestion here. On the entry, that is, Japan with the Japs of course in the Russian Federation. To become the new Ainu of the Japanese? This will happen very quickly. There was little of the Caucasian element and then of the Central Asian (and now) what is called ABOVE in the Russian capital, well, for all the immense scales, too, how does it follow?
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 20 December 2020 14: 53
            +5
            Quote: nnm
            That is, to change the demarcation line, you can give the new Damansky, and the islands and everything will be within the law. But oh, they don't like to talk about this amendment ...

            With the new Constitution, everything has been clear for a long time .. the window was left open both for territories and for "real estate and money" in the camp of the enemy .. These were all the manipulations of a cheat, distracting attention with one hand, and with the other .. nullified and made themselves out of jurisdiction ..
            1. nnm
              nnm 20 December 2020 14: 57
              -4
              I would like to disagree with you, colleague, but it just doesn't work out ...
          3. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 20 December 2020 23: 35
            +2
            "That is, under the change of the demarcation line, you can give the new Damansky, and the islands and everything will be within the law."

            Demarcation is a clarification, agreement of the line, the islands are not rolled under the line in any way. On the border line, perhaps around the islands there can be some kind of agreement, where the economic zone, for example, is located.

            Probably the transfer of some islands to Japan is not possible at the current rate. Yapi are militarily completely under US control. And these islands are strategically important:
            1. What would be ours, and the water area around them was under our control.
            2. Whatever there is an American military base.

            If we hypothetically imagine that the islands will be transferred to Japan, both points turn against us. Only New Gorby EBN can do this ...
    2. figwam
      figwam 20 December 2020 14: 29
      +5
      The Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed.

      I think not, the interference of Western countries in this matter greatly influences the policy of Japan.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 December 2020 19: 10
        +3
        Why Western countries? There is one specific country - the USA. hi
      2. stalki
        stalki 21 December 2020 08: 20
        +1
        I think not, the interference of Western countries in this matter greatly influences the policy of Japan.
        The question is closed for us, but put on them wink all these stuffing, just itching for the Japs in one place.
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 20 December 2020 14: 46
      +3
      I propose to elect Mr. Nakamura as an honorary Chydakoy-san!
    4. RealPilot
      RealPilot 20 December 2020 15: 44
      0
      Well, the vaccine will come in handy wink

      Vaccination against Japanese imperial militarism!
      Who would have known that it prevents such diseases, this is a success ... laughing
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 20 December 2020 15: 53
        +5
        Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed
        and if you bang in the United States with a "mace" from the Kuril Islands, will it be considered that Japan hit?
    5. 4NCTOKOHKPETHO
      4NCTOKOHKPETHO 20 December 2020 15: 52
      0
      Yesterday I was sure! Today I began to doubt? And tomorrow ... I sold my homeland for the vaccine ... Banzai
    6. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 20 December 2020 18: 46
      +1
      "believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed"
      It has been closed for a long time already - any government that tries to give up Russian lands is doomed to failure. Does anyone here feel the mood of the people? We have already given a lot - now is the time to collect.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 December 2020 19: 14
        +1
        The question of the Kuril Islands in Japan will be closed after the withdrawal of US troops from Okinawa.
        The very next day. If the Japanese have planned this for 2021, then I'm in favor!
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 20 December 2020 19: 17
          +1
          This will never happen - Americans are not stupid. I am also in favor, but this will not happen.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 December 2020 19: 19
            +3
            It has already been written here - everyone thought that the USSR was eternal.
            And what happened? And now it's their turn. wink
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 20 December 2020 20: 11
              +4
              The USSR is eternal as long as I live .. He will die only with me.
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 20 December 2020 22: 59
                +1
                There are already two of us. hi
          2. Pandiurin
            Pandiurin 21 December 2020 00: 03
            +2
            Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
            This will never happen - Americans are not stupid. I am also in favor, but this will not happen.

            The type of relationship between Japan and the US is likely to change to something like China-US now. Previously, the United States was the largest economy and largest sales market. Japan was able to sell goods to the United States.
            Now for Japan there is no beneficial economic cooperation with the United States, there is only the US debt, which is not secured by anything. If the United States refuses to pay its debts, then Japan-United States will turn into economic opponents, respectively, and in military terms.
    7. RUSS
      RUSS 20 December 2020 20: 37
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      We are constantly "thrown" this topic here. Inevitably, you begin to doubt.

      According to the Knight of the Order of Friendship of Peoples, consultant on Russian-Japanese cooperation, Yukio Asazuma, the amendment to the Russian Constitution concerning the ban on alienation of territories includes the phrase “except for border demarcation”. Asazuma stressed that such a wording "will serve as the only main key opening the possibility for the continuation of Japanese-Russian negotiations."
  2. poquello
    poquello 20 December 2020 13: 46
    +6
    ndya, right here rraz and everything will pass)
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 December 2020 13: 47
    +4
    Sound thought comes fearful! Nakamura is the prime minister of Japan! For good words in the direction of Russia, so it will be allowed on 6 acres of Kuril residents; on vacation, to help them cultivate gardens. Type of country assistants, but no more. The Constitution closed this issue for Japan.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 20 December 2020 13: 55
      +4
      Now that Nakamura is shut up ... Smart thoughts regularly catch up with our partners, but partners are still faster request
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 20 December 2020 19: 34
        -3
        well, then let them pay for the vaccine in currency ..
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 20 December 2020 14: 31
      +10
      Quote: tralflot1832
      For good words in the direction of Russia, so it will be allowed on 6 acres of Kuril residents; on vacation, to help them cultivate their gardens, like country assistants, but no more ..
      "So Makar" - the Chinese are turning the whole world into "their own garden" !!!
      On the YOUR LAND necessary MOST to work - even in the Kuril Islands, even in the suburbs. But for WORK - pay with dignity, not little brat hiring TAJIKOV, MOLDOVAN and "residents of Ukraine" - to provide jobs for their Russians (RUSSIANS).
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 20 December 2020 15: 17
        +4
        Let's start with salaries, let them try to pay money, even to the same janitors! We stumbled into a salary of max 500 - 1000 USD, and then at least the grass won't grow.
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 20 December 2020 16: 47
        -2
        Most importantly, I observed myself, many of our citizens do not want to work even for good money, to build roads, to pull cables. In a village next to one object, beyond the Urals, they offered 40-50k per month to the unemployed at the construction of the road and related work at the facility. In refusal categorically, they sit in huts and eat khanka. I had to take workers from the Perm region, there were hunters
        1. your1970
          your1970 21 December 2020 16: 55
          0
          Geologists recruited workers from us in the summer - to work here on the spot in the field, the salary is 45 on time, in the evening at home - not on duty. Work - to deliver cables for seismic exploration in the fields ...
          Our people said, "Not enough, it's hot ..." ... As a result, they brought men for the same money from other regions ...
          Ours walk, whine further - "There is no work ..."
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 December 2020 13: 52
    +2
    In 2020, 206 amendments were made to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, including a ban on transferring parts of the country's territory to other states.

    How wonderful it is! Otherwise, without amendments, the Russian border guards chased the Japanese "territorial invaders" like flies from a table set in the courtyard ...
    I have forgotten, or perhaps did not remember, how we should relate to the deposits of strategic ores in the country, which are transferred with a stroke of the pen to the use of different "JSC"?

    Or did the famous case of Deripaska teach you nothing? And how, by and large, does the transfer of land to foreign citizens differ from the transfer of subsoil to "it is not clear where they came from rich uncles"?
    Our country is a place of residence and
    the basis of life and activities of peoples living in the respective territory.

    or a feeding trough for dishonest businessmen who can transfer the “staked out” territory and subsoil to foreign hands?
    Although, according to the law, everything seems to be spelled out in a way ... Or "who is there" signed?
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 December 2020 13: 52
    +8
    The Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed.
    And rightly so! Closed, forgotten and sleep well! Peace, friendship, chewing gum ... wink
  6. Overlock
    Overlock 20 December 2020 13: 53
    +14
    The Japanese is lying! They will wake this topic forever, even if they receive the vaccine.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 20 December 2020 15: 00
      +2
      Of course they will. So we also have a lot of "doubters".
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 20 December 2020 15: 14
      +1
      If they get the vaccine that Tushki from Ukrainka carry, they will forget about the Russian islands for a long time. Our military has a real vaccine against territorial claims!
  7. svoit
    svoit 20 December 2020 13: 54
    +6
    The matter is even better than the expert thinks, the issue is already CLOSED and for a long time
  8. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 20 December 2020 13: 54
    -11%
    The guarantor will transfer for free, in the name of "brotherly and friendly-partnership" relations. And then we'll sit and wag our tail ... Children's Garden, trousers with shoulder straps ... Joseph must be put on - you will get through his horseradish with bourgeois tears.
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 20 December 2020 14: 29
      -7
      Want to bet? Thomas the unbelievers ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 21 December 2020 16: 59
      0
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      Joseph must be put

      Do you have a photocopier who copies people, is there a candidate, or are you just to chat with your language?
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 22 December 2020 12: 08
        -1
        Express desire. For those who understand, it's understandable. I'm not sure to you. Here, while everyone is talking their tongues. Liberal. They wave, so to speak ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 December 2020 14: 51
          0
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          Here while everyone is talking. Liberal. They wave, so to speak ...

          So you just chat, without a candidate, goal and program of action ...
          Abstract belief in good King Secretary General ...
  9. Avior
    Avior 20 December 2020 13: 55
    +3
    interesting japanese
    Russian President Vladimir Putin will take the lead in the global order following the coronavirus pandemic. This opinion was expressed to RIA Novosti by a Japanese political scientist, Professor Itsuro Nakamura.

    According to Nakamura, Putin's main task is to rally Russia, the United States and China. “President Putin will link China and America, which are now opposed to each other. In the hands of Putin is the leading role in the world order of the world "after the crown", "the expert predicted.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 20 December 2020 14: 26
      0
      Yes, an interesting find for narrow-profile specialists .. Japanese Khazin .. laughing
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2020 14: 00
    +3
    Fairy tales!
    The problem will never disappear, it will just be a symbol, and not a real reason for any real solutions.
  11. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 14: 00
    -29%
    Yes, return these 3 islands to them and close the question, they do not require the whole range. We need normal relations with Japan. The volume of gas consumption in Japan is under 100 billion cubic meters, if the pipe is laid it will be somewhere around $ 30-40 billion a year.
    1. KCA
      KCA 20 December 2020 14: 10
      +1
      In general, politics is politics, and economics is economics, with Japan not only the issue of the gas pipeline is being considered, but also with the construction of a bridge, without any reference to the Kuril Islands
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 14: 13
        -11%
        They will not buy our gas until the issue with the southern Kuriles is resolved. Here you are, the connection between politics and economics!
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein 20 December 2020 15: 05
          +2
          Well, they will not buy our gas, and in their mouths a kilo of dummies. There are enough buyers for Russian gas. Let them think about their own economy, while Russia will figure out its own economy. Let them drive gas carriers from the USA or Saudi Arabia across the oceans, if there is a lot of extra money. That's the connection between the Kuriles and gas!
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 19
            -5
            Quote: Boris Epstein
            Well, they will not buy our gas, and in their mouths a kilo of dummies. There are enough buyers for Russian gas.

            The fact of the matter is that there are few buyers, and those that are are trying to bring down the price of gas. Therefore, it is necessary to diversify supplies.

            Quote: Boris Epstein
            Let them think about their economy, and Russia itself will figure out its economy. Let them drive gas carriers from the USA or Saudi Arabia across the oceans, if there is a lot of extra money.

            They are ready to buy gas at higher prices for political reasons.

            Quote: Boris Epstein
            So the connection between the Kuriles and the gas has disappeared!

            Well, you will receive your 20 for the rest of your life, if you think about points and not about benefits.
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein 20 December 2020 18: 30
              +1
              Don’t poke, I don’t graze the cows with you. And in general, the transition to personalities, minus and accusation of non-existent sins is a sign of a lack of arguments. And without Japan as a buyer, Russia will manage easily. Unmeasured sea of ​​consumers - DOMESTIC market. Gasification of Russia. India and Pakistan plan to extend the Siberian Force from China to their territories. Austria, Romania and Hungary will be connected to the launched Turkish Stream (and today gas has already gone to Serbia). And in general, take an interest in modern technology. Why is Germany going back to back with the United States for Nord Stream 2? From Russian gas, Germany will produce HYDROGEN, the fuel of the future. In addition to streams, Russia is building gas liquefaction plants and gas carriers. And supplies of liquefied gas to the EU have already begun. So you are the only one to show off without reason.
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 19: 45
                -3
                Quote: Boris Epstein
                Do not poke, I don’t graze the cows with you.

                Where did I go with you to "you"? Wipe your glasses!
              2. your1970
                your1970 21 December 2020 17: 05
                +1
                Quote: Boris Epstein
                The immeasurable sea of ​​consumers - DOMESTIC market

                And please remind me, why did the USSR manage to gasify only 30% of the country in 10 years of gas production ??
                And this is simple - gasifying YOUR territory is much more difficult and costly than just pumping gas. Even now, even under the USSR ...
                1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                  tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 22 December 2020 12: 13
                  -1
                  By 2019, the average level of gasification in the country was 68,6% (in cities - 71,9%, in rural areas - 59,4%. Https://rg.ru/2020/02/12/uroven-gazifikacii-v -rossii-vyrastet-za-15-let-s-69-do-83-procentov.html
        2. Squelcher
          Squelcher 20 December 2020 15: 23
          +5
          They have been buying gas for 12 years already. And the islands do not bother them.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 20
            -7
            How much are they buying? 1 billion cubic meters? This is nothing!
            1. Squelcher
              Squelcher 20 December 2020 19: 36
              0
              Your knowledge and competence in this matter is nothing .... You are not in the subject, for this year 7.4 billion cubic meters.
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 19: 43
                -3
                Compared to 100 billion cubic meters of total consumption of 7 cubic meters, there is nothing.
                1. Squelcher
                  Squelcher 20 December 2020 21: 25
                  +1
                  Funny you, 10 percent of Japan's lng imports is nothing to you, cheered me up thanks.
                  1. Connor MacLeod
                    Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 21
                    -1
                    And it could be 50%, if not all 90%. Plus the weakening of the US positions in East Asia ...
                    1. Squelcher
                      Squelcher 21 December 2020 01: 04
                      0
                      "Fool dumkoyu radin, she is guilty and bagatin"
                      From what deposits? The LNG plant was built by the whole world on Sakhalin. And oil exploration has been carried out since the 80s.
                      You are funny by God.
                      1. Connor MacLeod
                        Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: Squelcher
                        From what deposits?

                        From the East Siberian.
        3. Machnamh
          Machnamh 20 December 2020 23: 58
          -2
          Quote: Connor Macleod
          They will not buy our gas until the issue with the southern Kuriles is resolved. Here you are, the connection between politics and economics!


          Were you generally interested in the geography, resources, strategic importance and other values ​​of the Southern Kuriles? I have already answered one local participant about the climate of these islands. It's not even the Vilyuisk climate. Much warmer. And comfortable to stay. And the value of these very Southern Kuriles, if you find such a match in the Russian Federation, is not lower than the whole Belgorod region. Could you also sell for a suitable price there? How many lards will they give?
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 00: 09
            -1
            So what is the benefit? In seafood chtoli? You'd better put order among local fishing companies in the Far East! 50% of the catch in the shade, if not 75%! Quotas are exceeded! The crab will soon be completely exterminated! This is where the economic losses are for the Country and not for the Kuril Islands!
            1. Machnamh
              Machnamh 21 December 2020 00: 37
              0
              Oh well. So that for this it is necessary to give the most valuable islands to the Japs? Give an example, when in the world they just took and gave up their territory. Not even that valuable, but sand and stones. How much did Britain spend on the military operation to reclaim the Falklands? Gave it away?
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 04
                -1
                The analogy with the Falklands is unfortunate, because Japan did not attack the Kuriles. I propose to peacefully resolve all border disputes, just as they did with China.
                1. Machnamh
                  Machnamh 21 December 2020 01: 12
                  -1
                  Japan at one time attacked not only the Kuril Islands. They were even noted in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur. These are no longer islands. And whose dictum "war cancels all treaties" is this? Russian or Japanese? So why is Japan grunting now? They would be better off acknowledging the existing status quo. Do you agree?
                  1. Connor MacLeod
                    Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 15
                    -2
                    The fact of the matter is that we speak from the position of the winners, and not from the position of the vanquished. I propose to make this generous gesture for the sake of economic preferences.
                    1. Machnamh
                      Machnamh 21 December 2020 01: 19
                      +1
                      You know, I am not a postsriot. And not even a Russian. Your reasoning does not even go to the reasoning of some Russian beloletochnik there. Are you Estonian from Estonia? Or from somewhere in the Ukrainian Vinnitsa?
                      1. Connor MacLeod
                        Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 50
                        -1
                        Russian...
    2. Proton
      Proton 20 December 2020 14: 13
      +3
      I doubt it very much.
      But the fact that after the pipe is laid in Russia there will be 2-3 new billionaires, more likely. Well, or the previous "businessmen" will rise in the lines of the Forbes rating.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 22
        -5
        Well, then let's generally close all borders and cancel all foreign trade since we have corruption in the Country!
        1. Proton
          Proton 20 December 2020 17: 25
          +1
          I, in my opinion, did not suggest such extremes.
          But to develop our own production - with both hands "For".
          The next "streams" only corrupt the country's leadership.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 29
            -2
            In order to develop high technologies and enter the world market with them, it is first necessary to saturate domestic demand and squeeze imports. Gas money is a good fuel for the demand for domestic high-tech.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 20 December 2020 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: Connor MacLeod
      Yes, return these 3 islands to them and close the question, they do not require the whole range. We need normal relations with Japan. The volume of gas consumption in Japan is under 100 billion cubic meters, if the pipe is laid it will be somewhere around $ 30-40 billion a year.

      Then you will give gas for free ... that's how life comes from commerce ...
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 14: 23
        -11%
        On the contrary, if there were several consumers, it would be possible to sell gas at a higher price. At the moment there is monopsony Chinese, they can bring down prices, because there is nowhere else to drive gas.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 December 2020 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: Connor MacLeod
          On the contrary, if there were several consumers, it would be possible to sell gas at a higher price. At the moment there is monopsony Chinese, they can bring down gas prices, because there is nowhere else to drive gas.

          Can't you see that concessions are perceived as weakness and in return you will receive, not profit, but new demands.
          You need to raise your industry and become a world factory, then everyone will forget about their requirements ..
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 14: 28
            -14%
            All border conflicts with the Chinese have been resolved, but where is the escalation of demands?

            The Japanese are normal guys, you need to be friends with them ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 20 December 2020 14: 31
              -1
              Quote: Connor MacLeod
              All border conflicts with the Chinese have been resolved, but where is the escalation of demands?

              Wait ... the Chinese know how to wait .. now they don't need escalation with us .. But despite these concessions, the Chinese did not buy only our oil and gas .. and many experts argue that the Power of Siberia is deeply unprofitable for us ..
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 24
                -6
                I have already explained why the Chinese are driving down gas prices - because there are no alternative consumers.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 20 December 2020 14: 55
              -1
              Quote: Connor Macleod
              The Japanese are normal guys, you need to be friends with them ...

              The Japanese are "friends" with the USA .. and indeed, the concept of friendship between countries does not exist .. there is a concept - "the interests of the country"
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 28
                -5
                The Japanese are friends with the United States due to the lack of economic ties with the Russian Federation. It's just that the US is a trading partner, although anti-American sentiment in Japan, bless you!
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 20 December 2020 17: 34
                  -3
                  Quote: Connor MacLeod
                  The Japanese are friends with the United States due to the lack of economic ties with the Russian Federation. It's just that the US is a trading partner, although anti-American sentiment in Japan, bless you!

                  As long as there are American bases there, their friendship will be strong .. even if the Americans take away all Japanese women ... We have much greater ties with Europe, and Europe is much more profitable to be friends with us .. but they don’t want to .. don’t wonder why?
                  1. Connor MacLeod
                    Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 37
                    -1
                    Europeans are friends with America in the same way. They, like the Japanese, are all tied to the United States. Although recently the Germans sent the United States to hell because of the SP-2. This is a good example of how the influence of the United States can be weakened by strengthening foreign trade ties ...
          2. Proton
            Proton 20 December 2020 15: 03
            +1
            I agree completely.
            Instead of driving gas to the west, east and south, we need to raise our production.
            After all, natural gas is not only a fuel, it is also a raw material for the chemical industry.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 20 December 2020 15: 57
              +1
              So in the Far East, Gazprom is building a gas processing plant, the main bun is helium. The whole world with China will be filled with helium, for high-quality welding, for the production of the same aircraft engines, helium is needed, for a neutral environment in the welding chambers.
            2. Connor MacLeod
              Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 31
              -4
              In order to raise production, you first need to find buyers for your products ...
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 20 December 2020 15: 52
          0
          China buys the coolest thing from Indonesia for 330 USD per thousand cubic meters and unas for 180 USD! Geopolitics in action! hi
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 38
            -1
            Where did you get these numbers?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 21 December 2020 01: 37
              0
              The newspaper of the Chinese communists, Renmin Daily, sometimes we read to check our all-fledged people.
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 40
                0
                If really 180, then this is tin ...
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 21 December 2020 07: 43
                  0
                  Tin was in the summer when Gazprom brought gas to Europe at a price of less than $ 130, and China bought from us more than $ XNUMX. In general, China behaves competently in the Southeast, pays extra for loyalty to itself. As a result, only the United States has a plug in each barrel for the disputed territories.
    4. Maikcg
      Maikcg 20 December 2020 14: 33
      +3
      Actually, it will be much more productive for us to demand Hokkaido.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 36
        -9
        It is better to give up the South Kuriles now as a gesture of goodwill, while Putin's Russia is at the zenith of its power, because if we weaken, the Japanese will take not only the South Kuriles, but the North and Sakhalin and Kamchatka in addition ...
        1. Maikcg
          Maikcg 21 December 2020 01: 18
          +2
          Better yet, give Connor Macleod to the Japanese. Otherwise, he will weaken and take him away, only the body separately, the head separately, so that he does not swing the katana in vain.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 39
            0
            With a katana, it's Ramirez! laughing
            1. Maikcg
              Maikcg 21 December 2020 18: 54
              0
              laughing
              And then what?
    5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 December 2020 14: 36
      +1
      Again these mantras are 'pipes, gas'.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 37
        -7
        Well, half of the budget is based on oil and gas revenues! Hey!
    6. VORON538
      VORON538 20 December 2020 15: 22
      +4
      That is why any kind of liberda like you should not be allowed to power in Russia. In general, sell everything ... give your family to your neighbor for loot!
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 17: 40
        -6
        How good it is that the Power has conservatives now! Enjoy your 20 a month!
    7. Squelcher
      Squelcher 20 December 2020 15: 28
      +1
      It is so stupid.
      Yes, islands are scraps of land, but look in breadth. First, let's give up the islands and give away economic waters (sea resources, fish, crab). 200 nm 370.4 km. ABOUT
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 48
        -2
        I have already described what economic benefits will entail solving the problem of the South Kuriles and improving relations with Japan ...
        1. Squelcher
          Squelcher 21 December 2020 01: 05
          +1
          You are a good storyteller, have you tried writing for Murzilka magazine?
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 16
            -2
            We were born to make a fairy tale come true ...
    8. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 20 December 2020 15: 32
      +4
      Quote: Connor Macleod
      Yes, return these 3 islands to them and close the question

      And to put the Amerovsky base in the only non-freezing straits in the Pacific Ocean ... Well, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is becoming from our internal international ... Fools or something, the Japanese ... They are not just scratching for these islands ...
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 20 December 2020 23: 40
        -3
        Since the Americans can create such bases on Hokaido, too ...
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 21 December 2020 01: 05
          +1
          Quote: Connor Macleod
          Since the Americans can create such bases on Hokaido, for that matter.

          They can, yes. But you should take a close look at the map.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 21 December 2020 01: 18
            -1
            I remind you that we are talking only about the three southern islands, not about the entire ridge.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 21 December 2020 01: 40
              +1
              Quote: Connor Macleod
              I remind you that we are talking only about the three southern islands, not the whole ridge

              Is it clear about the Sea of ​​Okhotsk? And what about the range of any instrumental control? Existence of suitable airfields on these islands? And so a trifle, think ...
  12. XXXIII
    XXXIII 20 December 2020 14: 03
    +2
    Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed
    They themselves open this question, then close it all the time, well, what kind of samurai people are they? laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 December 2020 14: 20
      +4
      Yes, they are not samurai already, even Abe sipuku did not! hi
    2. Maikcg
      Maikcg 20 December 2020 14: 39
      +4
      The samurai is no longer the same
  13. ILIA
    ILIA 20 December 2020 14: 04
    +3
    Whinnying))), Whinnying)))
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 December 2020 14: 08
    -1
    Transfer negotiations are truly impossible. And about mutually beneficial use, we offered them more than once. Here, apparently, our Wishlist and their grabbers do not converge, plus the legislation jumping endlessly.
  15. bar
    bar 20 December 2020 14: 17
    +2
    The Japanese expert believes that the Kuril issue will soon be closed. He thinks that the adoption of constitutional amendments in the Russian Federation this year makes any negotiations between Moscow and Tokyo on the territorial issue impossible.

    Something tells me that nothing can stop these stubborn brothers in mind. The topic of the "northern territories" will be drilled for decades.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 December 2020 14: 38
      +2
      What's surprising? Closely)
      1. bar
        bar 20 December 2020 14: 47
        +3
        This is temporary. The population is shrinking, the birth rate is approaching zero. Will be free soon.
        But they will pass on the legends about the "northern territories" to their great-grandchildren
      2. boris epstein
        boris epstein 20 December 2020 15: 08
        +3
        Hitler was also cramped.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 December 2020 15: 34
          -4
          Quote: boris epstein
          Hitler was also cramped.

          what. also claimed the Kuril Islands?
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 20 December 2020 15: 53
            +2
            It's just that the Japanese are too modest. Hitler laid claim to the whole world, while the Japanese claimed only Asia, the USSR to the Urals and the Pacific region.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 December 2020 17: 08
              -1
              Quote: boris epstein
              Hitler claimed the whole world.

              With a fig for the whole? Do not exaggerate Adolf's appetite. And in general - what has he got to do with it?
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 December 2020 19: 37
        +1
        With their shitty demographics and not very populous Hokkaido? Rather, resources and a convenient excuse to redirect the hatred of the layman, who is gradually falling into insignificance, on bad Russians. From time immemorial, the samurai interfered with the life. Well, and other national-capitalist demagoguery.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 20 December 2020 22: 35
          +1
          . the hatred of the man in the street gradually falling into insignificance on the bad Russians.

          Enough of this idiotism already. What samurai, what hate? Has Kisel TV completely moved the roof?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 21 December 2020 11: 18
            +1
            Do you think the world economic crisis and long-term stagnation in the economy of the country of the rising sun please the layman? What do Kiselev and other propagandists of all sorts and nationalities have to do with this in the service of capital?
  16. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 20 December 2020 14: 30
    +10
    Quote: Connor MacLeod
    Yes, return these 3 islands to them and close the question, they do not require the whole range. We need normal relations with Japan. The volume of gas consumption in Japan is under 100 billion cubic meters, if the pipe is laid it will be somewhere around $ 30-40 billion a year.
    ... and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk instead of the internal one will become "external" and the Japs
    mattress mats will be instantly near Vladivostok - some, supposedly, fish, other radars set up. You swim fine, boy! Give your dacha and zhinka to the bargain ... and go to the Canaries yourself, if you wish, then to the bunk ...
  17. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 20 December 2020 14: 47
    +4
    I will not go into history, but in due time the Yapas got what they deserved and now there is nothing to wave their fists. Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai are beautiful islands and belong to Russia.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 December 2020 15: 53
    -1
    Why will it be? It is, in principle, closed and all these yaponoplyasov's cries about nothing.
  19. Siberian54
    Siberian54 20 December 2020 15: 57
    +1
    Why did the patients of ward No. 6 leave LiveJournal?
  20. Free Island
    Free Island 20 December 2020 16: 01
    0
    In fact, the United States has given this "fix idea" to the Japanese. In fact, the Japanese themselves do not need these bumps in the sea, the Americans need them for military bases in order to finally close the ring around Russia. On the other hand, many are whining, they say, the Kremlin will give the Kuril Islands. Here is my nagging question - if they are going to give it away, then why are they updating military equipment in the Kuril Islands and installing coastal and anti-aircraft systems there ????
  21. orionvitt
    orionvitt 20 December 2020 16: 36
    +2
    In my opinion, the issue of the southern Kuriles was closed back in 1945. Clear and understandable. Someone else aboard the American battleship signed a specific document called the Japanese surrender act. Are the Japanese like hot Estonian guys? Haven't it reached them yet? lol
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  23. 1536
    1536 20 December 2020 18: 07
    +1
    The keyword "olympiad"? The Japanese are so insolent that they think that someone in Russia will change the pointless "dialogue" about the ownership of Russian land for the presence at the so-called competitions in Japan under the guise of the Olympic Games. Sports swindlers set their own rules for any competition, and someone thinks that it is possible to contemplate such shows with pleasure as before? Unless betting ... But this is something different from pure sport and is not subject to discussion.
  24. bukhach
    bukhach 20 December 2020 19: 56
    +1
    A strange opinion from the Japanese, according to their own polls, a negative attitude towards Russia over the past
    Whether 10, or 20 years has grown to 78%, and after that it is absurd to talk about an imminent normalization. And a good example of successful propaganda: 30 years ago only about 5% of Japanese were concerned about the return of the "northern territories." 1,6% are friendly to Russia, what can I say.
  25. ruben morelli
    ruben morelli 20 December 2020 20: 34
    0
    Comrade Putin has already said: "The Kurils are Russians, and this is no longer discussed."
  26. Shadow041
    Shadow041 20 December 2020 21: 06
    +4
    All Kuril Islands, without exception, must remain part of the Russian Federation. For me, this is a matter of principle. We must preserve our territory for future generations.
  27. yfast
    yfast 20 December 2020 23: 36
    0
    Quote: Connor MacLeod
    On the contrary, if there were several consumers, it would be possible to sell gas at a higher price. At the moment there is monopsony Chinese, they can bring down prices, because there is nowhere else to drive gas.

    You can't do that with the Japanese. They need to stuff their faces so that their teeth fly out, and it is better to drop a nuclear bomb, or two. Then they will start to respect you. There are examples.
  28. Egor53
    Egor53 21 December 2020 05: 15
    0
    The Kuril issue was closed in 1945.