"Four times more expensive than Tomahawk": in India, questions arose for the Ministry of Defense in connection with the price of modernized BrahMos missiles

Shot from the test of the BrahMos rocket on the frigate INS Tarkash

India announced information about the upcoming signing of a contract for the purchase of a batch of modernized BrahMos missiles for the naval forces. According to published data, the Indian Navy will acquire 38 anti-ship missiles of this kind.

Indian modernization "BrahMos" primarily consists in increasing the range of destruction of targets. Indian sources write that after updating the rocket, it is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 450 km. This is about 50 km more than the previous version of the same rocket.

Named and the amount that will cost both the entire contract and, accordingly, each of the BrahMos missiles. For the purchase of 38 supersonic missiles for fleet Indian Defense Ministry is ready to spend 18 billion rupees. Accordingly, one modernized BrahMos rocket will cost the Indian budget approximately Rs 473,7 million (about US $ 6,5 million).

For comparison, an updated version of the American Tomahawk missile costs about $ 1,6 million. That is, the Indian version of the sea-based cruise missile is 4 times more expensive, according to the official data on their cost.

The contract has not been signed yet, but, as the Indian information service ANI writes, "it is close to being signed."

In this regard, in India there are regular questions to the military department. The main one is why the cost of the rocket after modernization suddenly turned out to be so high, "4 times more expensive than the Tomahawk"?

Recall that initially the BrahMos missiles were developed jointly by Russia and India. Now India is trying more and more actively to use its own capabilities for the production and modernization of such cruise missiles.

Comments

[Thrifty]

The rocket apparently sings and dances in flight, and the body is carved from ivory, hence the price !!!

[Finches]

Vague doubts torment me .... "BrahMos missiles were originally developed by Russia and India jointly"

[NDR-791]

Well, like it was. There was a lot of talk about this at one time. But this is more likely not a joint development, but a joint push of our missile into Indian ships. Only the Indians have achieved complete localization of production. Made it to their little head. Now you won't nod at us let them deal with their own.

[Stas157]

You have to pay for the speed. These are fundamentally different missiles. Brahmos and three times the weight of Tamogavk. Indians are trying to equalize the incomparable.

[NDR-791]

You have to pay for the speed.
This is just understandable. Another thing is not clear - what do they want in the end?
For such a case, it would not be bad for the Indians to remind ...

[Temples]

Why are Brahmos and Ax compared?
These are different missiles.
Completely different.

You can compare Brahmos and a pistol cartridge ..
The price difference will be even greater.

[NDR-791]

Why are Brahmos and Ax compared?
These are different missiles.
Completely different.
In this regard, India has asked the military department more questions. The main one is why the cost of the rocket after modernization suddenly turned out to be so high, "4 times more expensive than the Tomahawk"?
The military department has no such questions to the manufacturer, and those who do not understand anything about the military department may have any claims. But this "does not play the piano"

[tlauicol]

Quote: Temples

Why are Brahmos and Ax compared?
These are different missiles.

because this is an anti-ship missile, they have the same task - to sink the ship

[Alex777]

because this is an anti-ship missile, they have the same task - to sink the ship

A multiple difference in speed implies a difference in price.
The serial production also greatly affects the price.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tlauicol

because this is an anti-ship missile, they have the same task - to sink the ship

The only anti-ship version of the "ax" died long ago. Now the "ax" is a pure CD for stationary targets.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Alexey RA

The only anti-ship version of the "ax" died long ago. Now the "ax" is a pure CD for stationary targets.

The Americans are reviving a variant of the anti-ship "ax" - this is the Tomahawk (Block Vа, or Maritime Strike Tomahawk (MST). Successful tests have been carried out, a contract has been signed with "Raytheon" for the production of missiles

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Gregory_45

The Americans are reviving a variant of the anti-ship "ax" - this is the Tomahawk (Block Vа, or Maritime Strike Tomahawk (MST). Successful tests have been carried out, a contract has been signed with "Raytheon" for the production of missiles

They write that these missiles will be combat-ready by 2023.
But at first they wanted to make LRASM a unified long-range shipborne anti-ship missile system. But, on a hike, we decided to save money.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Alexey RA

But at first they wanted to make LRASM a unified long-range shipborne anti-ship missile system

LRASM has not been canceled. The anti-ship "ax" is twice (or even more) cheaper, why not, since the UVP does not need to be altered.

Quote: Alexey RA

They write that these missiles will be combat-ready by 2023

I met old that work on the modernization of all "Tomahawks" in the version of block 5 is already underway, and from next year the release of versions of block 5a and 5b will begin

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Gregory_45

LRASM has not been canceled.

And I'm not talking about cancellation. Only that at first this missile was planned as a single long-range anti-ship missile. But, on the hike, even the United States did not pull the complete rearmament program for this miracle - and they had to dilute the LRASM with cheap three "axes".

[Stas157]

Quote: Tlauicol

because it is RCC, they have the same task - sink the ship

Unlike other participants in Formula 1, you will be given a Zhiguli. With the words: "You the same task - get to the finish line. "
Are you okay with this explanation?
A push at home instead of a toilet?
There is only one task! Is not it?)))

[tlauicol]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Tlauicol

because it is RCC, they have the same task - sink the ship

Unlike other participants in Formula 1, you will be given a Zhiguli. With the words: "You the same task - get to the finish line. "
Are you okay with this explanation?
A push at home instead of a toilet?
There is only one task! Is not it?)))

Instead of the open ocean, you will be given the Gulf of Finland, fjords or Danish straits. One task - to sink the ship

[Stas157]

Quote: Tlauicol

Instead of the open ocean, you will be given the Gulf of Finland, fjords or Danish straits.

I decline your luxurious offer. I like warm seas more!))

And how are the speed characteristics tied to geography? As for the relief, Brahmos does not need to bend around it. It comes from above or has a short low-trajectory reach.

[tlauicol]

ok, the seas and the coast of Indochina, the Adriatic fit? Then tell us how your Ferrari will hit targets in the island zone and narrows?

[Stas157]

On a ballistic trajectory.

[tlauicol]

for this you need to know that there is a ship behind the island. And OTRK instead of RCC

[tlauicol]

Quote: Stas157

On a ballistic trajectory.

[Center]

[lelik613]

It is better to compare the one bought from us and the one there.

[Yngvar]

You have to pay not only for speed, but also for refusing to develop (or modify) missiles of this class jointly with Russian specialists.
Although maybe they have a design option? The designer is expensive today ...

[Foxmara]

The usual lobby. I can even guess whose.

[Pereira]

On a parallel branch
https://topwar.ru/178185-dozvukovaja-skorost-javljaetsja-dostoinstvom-amerikanskie-jeksperty-ob-ispytanijah-novoj-rakety-tomagavk.html
the price of the Tomahawk at 1 million has been announced. Someone is lying.

[Graz]

Pereira
the tomahawks have different versions, and the prices are also different, which tomahawks read generally 750k cost

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pereira

On a parallel branch
https://topwar.ru/178185-dozvukovaja-skorost-javljaetsja-dostoinstvom-amerikanskie-jeksperty-ob-ispytanijah-novoj-rakety-tomagavk.html
the price of the Tomahawk at 1 million has been announced. Someone is lying.

Nobody is lying - they just take prices of different versions of different years of purchase. So. in 2016 the "ax" cost 1,59 megabax (according to other sources - 1,35). In 2017 - 1,87 megabax.
The price of $ 1,6 million is most likely taken from the articles on the strike on Syria.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Alexey RA

The price of $ 1,6 million is most likely taken from articles on the strike on Syria

recently there was an article on VO, about the cost of the next fin. the year of rockets.
It voiced Tomahawk Block V - 1,54 million in the basic version, the Block Va version (with GOS) - another plus of 890 thousand dollars
It is quite possible that they are not lying. Tomahawk - a rocket mastered in production, its cost decreases from series to series (for example, hulls are made of fiberglass - also cheaper)

[Revolver]

Do not forget, Axes are made in hundreds using proven technology, and these are in a very small batch. Well, again, obviously, it was not without kickbacks and cuts.

[voyaka uh]

Brahmos is a slightly modified Onyx.
If that's how much Brahmos is worth, how much is Onyx worth?

[Foxmara]

Onyx has no option to sing and dance. Only hardcore

[avdkrd]

Quote: Stas157

You have to pay for the speed. These are fundamentally different missiles. Brahmos and three times the weight of Tamogavk. Indians are trying to equalize the incomparable.

That's right, a supersonic missile cannot be cheaper than an ancient ax, but perhaps the key word here is "after modernization"? The price of BRAMOS is interesting, before modernization.

[novel66]

our minds for their money

[NDR-791]

our minds for their money
Yes, okay, our minds remained in place. With theirs and upgraded, it does not fly further than 450 km

[Errr]

Quote: Finches

Vague doubts torment me .... "BrahMos missiles were originally developed by Russia and India jointly"

Initially, BrahMos was the name of a joint venture between MIC NPO Mashinostroyenia and the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) of the Indian Ministry of Defense. Then the rocket developed by this joint venture was named the same.

[NDR-791]

Exactly, the river was named from the Brahmaputra-Moscow river.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Finches

Brahmos

BrahMos is based on Onyx

[Magmax]

I belleive it is so Brahmos is a joint venture beetwen Russia and India. The name comes from the name of the river Brahmaputra and Moscow. and it is a copy (or it should be) of the Russian P800 Onyx

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Thrifty

The rocket apparently sings and dances in flight, and the body is carved from ivory, hence the price !!!

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only has a thirst for profit, even from the taxpayers of Russia, even from Hindu citizens ...

[Volodin]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

The RF Ministry of Defense only has a thirst for profit ... even from Hindu citizens

And the Russian Defense Ministry has something to do with it? ..

[Ros 56]

Do not confuse horseradish with a tram handle, it was about the Indian Ministry of Defense.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only has a thirst for profit, even from the taxpayers of Russia, even from Hindu citizens ...

Aren't bloody boys bothering you?

[Oleg Monarchist]

GTYCBJYTH2021 (Andrey)
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only has a thirst for profit, even from the taxpayers of Russia, even from the Hindu citizens ..... soldier

A comrade with an incomprehensible set of numbers and Latin letters, the RF Ministry of Defense does not manufacture or sell missiles.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only has a thirst for profit, even from Russian taxpayers, even from Hindu citizens ...

How long has the Russian Defense Ministry become the owner of Indian missile factories?
Because "Brahmos" is made by Indians in India and sold to their MO.

[Civil]

The bishop walks again - E5, cannot restrain his appetite and fails the entire batch of missiles.

[Mavrikiy]

almost guessed.

The BrahMos rocket is capable of a speed corresponding to Mach 2,5 to 2,8.

Since the Tomahawk flies at a subsonic speed (800 km per hour), cannot maneuver with large overloads, and also cannot use false targets, the detected missile can be hit by modern air defense and missile defense systems that meet altitude restrictions.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Thrifty

The rocket apparently sings and dances in flight, and the body is carved from ivory, hence the price !!!

almost guessed.

The BrahMos rocket is capable of a speed corresponding to Mach 2,5 to 2,8.

Since the Tomahawk flies at a subsonic speed (800 km per hour), cannot maneuver with large overloads, and also cannot use false targets, the detected missile can be hit by modern air defense and missile defense systems that meet altitude restrictions.

[halpat]

We urgently need to buy a batch of tomogavks, at the price of brahmos. And the situation will calm down and the parties involved in the transaction will be pleased with the look of their fat wallets. And nirvana will come ... for a while

[Twodi]

Nooo it is like in Indian movies, one missile destroys the whole fleet!

[rotmistr60]

Indian version of sea-based cruise missile is 4 times more expensive

So probably corruption? Or something different? In India, it has already become a national fun to doubt prices when purchasing weapons both from home and especially from other countries. And in this case, there is no one to blame except for yourself. Understand why this is so.

[Graz]

all together there, bramos itself is an expensive rocket, it is higher in many characteristics of a tomahawk, but officials at different stages probably demand kickbacks, and the manufacturer does not suffer from conscience for the price. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle and the real price is 1.5-2 of the cost of the tomahawk, but the rest is what will be stolen if the contract is signed

[Ros 56]

A strange question - why, because a bad example of sawing the dough is contagious. Why are they surprised?

[grandfather_Kostya]

A supersonic missile is by definition more expensive than a subsonic one.

[Kuz]

Quote: grandfather_Kostya

A supersonic missile is by definition more expensive than a subsonic one

Indeed, some stupid people ask questions. Supersonic, and with such a range, an order of magnitude more difficult.

[aszzz888]

The main one is why the cost of the rocket after modernization suddenly turned out to be so high, "4 times more expensive than the Tomahawk"?

"They drank and had fun, but when they got sober they shed tears!"

[Cruorvult]

A common thing for India, they have a light fighter like ours and a half su-30 costs.

Well, it's a good idea to calculate how many Axes have been produced by the Americans and how many Brahmos have been produced by India, the price of the contract may include the creation of production or something else.

[rocket757]

Their affairs .... purely accounting calculations in this case do not always work.

[APASUS]

Strange questions from the Indian media. Everything about money from Hindus is sacred! Here you need to immediately become a millionaire, or better, a billionaire, and you can put in a rollback. You can't get away from this. That's the price that looms.

[Doccor18]

For the purchase of 38 supersonic missiles for the Navy, the Indian Ministry of Defense is ready to spend 18 billion rupees. ...

38! Anti-ship missiles ... to the navy ...
We live in an era of amazing solutions ...
Well, as for the cost, such a property stratification of the population, as in India, even the United States can envy ...

For comparison: an updated version of the American Tomahawk missile.

In my opinion, comparing subsonic and supersonic missiles is not entirely correct ...

[lopuhan2006]

One of the main things in a rocket is the engine. There is a brilliant f107 on the ax. Inexpensive and economical, but also subsonic speed. For speed Brahmos and pays the price. The output is 30-40 missiles or 150-200. For most opponents, an ax is sufficient. In our navy, only a few units can fight them, what can we say for Iran, North Korea, and so on. The United States will not fight Russia and China. And indirectly through their vassals, they will do it. Turkey (in progress), Ukraine (in progress), Georgia (it was), Armenia (in progress), Azerbaijan (in progress), Moldova (waiting in the coming years), Japan (waiting in the coming years maybe the power that they are building up by analogy with Azerbaijan , it is necessary to apply somewhere, and if we take into account the problems of the country, then we need a war). So, Russia's future is uncertain.

[Horon]

Tomahawk subsonic missile, Bramos supersonic - somehow it is not correct to compare them. The first is almost made of papier mache, the other requires materials with high heat resistance.

[JD1979]

4 times faster - 4 times more expensive. Normal price))

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

the Indian version of the sea-based cruise missile is 4 times more expensive, according to the official data on their cost.

What's so surprising?
supersonic aircraft are 3-4 times more expensive in design.
The subsonic Tomahawk is cheaper and the probability of overcoming the ship's air defense is several times lower than the supersonic Bramos.

[Mikhail3]

Of course, Indians desperately, with all their might, steal and rake bribes under military contracts. This process was perfectly described by Jack London as the behavior of a diligent student of Western civilization, who rejected his obsolete and inapplicable when dealing with Western people, honor, conscience, loyalty, justice and other funny, outdated and stupid prejudices.
The use of any human qualities and properties that were considered necessary by non-Western civilizations and for which people were rewarded by the outdated model, immediately stumbles upon a worked out Western answer. The West seems to recognize that kindness, conscience, honor are a good thing. But then he uses them to the fullest against you. Without removing the Hollywood smile from your face and calling you a friend.
So those who want to learn from Western civilization are adopting everything that will help fight Western people in their field. Anger, cunning, meanness, hypocrisy, greed ... Moreover, all this must be applied by the students in an exaggerated form, since they do not yet have a multi-century base of loot in every sense.
Our modern world is a world of utter vile. We decided so. We decided that the Way of the Scum is the best. Why are we surprised?

[Jacket in stock]

Well, we find it funny when American experts praise their Tomohawks for their low price.
Apparently the Indians do not want us to mock them too.

[tralflot1832]

It's just that there is one responsible person for each screw in the rocket, and each salary must be paid.

[Castro Ruiz]

How mozhno sravnivat cenu sverkh- i dozvukovoy raketi?!
Rovzniaetsa nesrovnaemoe.

[peter rusin_2]

The Indians have a gorgeous military-industrial complex! As anything from Russian weapons is localized, so it becomes much more expensive than if they bought ready-made in Russia! Don't forbid the rajams to live beautifully!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Peter Rusin_2

The Indians have a gorgeous military-industrial complex!

Here is the INDIAN war elephant.

Here is the elephant armor.
There were times and the military-industrial complex of India ...

[Old26]

Quote: Alexey RA

Nobody is lying - they just take prices of different versions of different years of purchase. So. in 2016 the "ax" cost 1,59 megabax (according to other sources - 1,35). In 2017 - 1,87 megabax.
The price of $ 1,6 million is most likely taken from the articles on the strike on Syria.

In addition, there is a difference in its own and export modifications. The same "Caliber" for the Russian Armed Forces costs about 850 thousand dollars, and for the sale of EMNIP to India, something about 5 million

Quote: NDR-791

our minds for their money
Yes, okay, our minds remained in place. With theirs and upgraded, it does not fly further than 450 km

As far as I remember, tests of the Brahmos are planned for 2021 with a range of up to 800 km

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

GTYCBJYTH2021 (Andrey)
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only has a thirst for profit, even from the taxpayers of Russia, even from the Hindu citizens ..... soldier

A comrade with an incomprehensible set of numbers and Latin letters, the RF Ministry of Defense does not manufacture or sell missiles.

An incomprehensible alignment is a word PENSIONER on the English keyboard. That's all

[Maxwrx]

Although Bramos is supersonic, it has long been not such a big problem for air defense. In addition, it has a small radius of 450 km.
Block V has a range of 1600 km.
I don’t remember, but I read a rather old plate with a specific ship complex, in general, the probability of defeat between a supersonic target and a subsonic target is 70 and 90%. Those. at 10% and 30%. One ship will require 3 times more subsonic missiles. After that, more than a dozen years have passed and supersonic targets are more likely to be shot down, but the efficiency of subsonic targets has not grown so much. In addition, the ship's ammunition is limited and air defense missiles at a price can be more expensive than the target to be shot down, you can ruin the enemy). And where there is weak air defense (in most countries), then 1 missile - 1 target. And then it's better to launch cheap rockets.
So, in my opinion, it is now more profitable to operate massively with subsonic missiles. And for guaranteed destruction, go to hypersound. These are actually very hard / impossible to shoot down. Actually, ours mainly buy subsonic onyxes and there are big plans for hypersonic zircons.

[Zhevlonenko]

For a 1600 tomahawk it is in a straight line, and since it is subsonic, when you add it, you also need to find a target, so it is usually considered that somewhere in the region of 1000. The Pentagon ordered block five, aviation, in the amount of 50 pieces for 176 million, if the cost of suspension pylons, even taking them into account, turns out to be 3 million apiece. Why everyone thinks 1.6, I doubt very much.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Again the Indians are swinging

[va3610]

What difference does it make to these fools, they will glue and break all one with a fringe.

[Magmax]

And they say that India Has cheep labor force.

[Zhevlonenko]

Comparing tomahawk and brahmos is like a turtle and a hare. Here, as anyone, take a turtle soup, stew - a hare.