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French press: USA today looks like the admiralty of the Russian Empire before the defeat in Tsushima

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The rapid rise of China terrifies the United States. Moreover, the United States itself pushed Beijing to this.


American journalist David Goldman, who wrote a book on China's technological breakthrough, discusses this in an interview with his colleagues from the French newspaper Le Figaro.

After the collapse of the world communist system, the United States did not expect that it would soon have a serious competitor. China then, in the 90s, was considered a source of cheap labor and cheap goods.

America accepted numerous students from China in its universities, Chinese employees worked in American enterprises, gaining knowledge and experience. And before the United States had time to look back, the PRC became a high-tech power, successfully competing with the United States and Europe. Now Beijing has scientists and specialists of a level that is not inferior to colleagues from the United States, and even surpasses them in many ways.

But all this in Washington continues to be overlooked. Goldman believes that the United States today is like the admiralty of the Russian Empire before the defeat at Tsushima. Then, in 1904-1905, in St. Petersburg they disdained the potential of the Japanese military fleet... And instead of reorganizing their fleet, they sent warships from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean to certain death.

Likewise, the United States today does not notice that the level of its technological development of the Chinese industry will soon overtake the United States.

The French press pointed out that the United States alone will no longer be able to bridge the future technological gap with China. In his opinion, America can avoid this, but significant efforts will have to be made, and action must be taken immediately. The Americans should start cooperating with other countries, primarily with Europeans, as well as with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 15 December 2020 15: 40
    0
    French press: USA today looks like the admiralty of the Russian Empire before the defeat in Tsushima

    Oh! Not only Strelkov can mention Tsushima.
    1. Machito
      Machito 15 December 2020 15: 56
      +3
      And that Strelkov is wrong? Today, the situation with the Russian Navy is worse than before Tsushima. Only in the Arctic do we surpass our sworn friends. And even then we are lagging behind icebreakers and submarines.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 15 December 2020 16: 06
        +14
        I have to replace one indisputable fact: that all those who come out with anti-Russian statements, statements usually support Strelkov's point of view. Like you, for example, I do not deny that now our fleet is not as strong as we would like. But such a trend suggests an idea. Moreover, in the early days of the Karabakh war, Strelkov himself warned Russia against being drawn into it. They say Russia will lose and Putin is wrong about everything. At the end of the war, after bringing in peacekeepers, when Russia did not intervene in the conflict, he again scolded the authorities, but for the fact that they allegedly betrayed Armenia. That is, you cannot please Strelkov just like our liberals. Is it not just a field of berries, the purpose of which is to informally soak the power in Russia? Just from different political flanks. Your opinion?
        1. Machito
          Machito 15 December 2020 16: 20
          +9
          Strelkov is an ambiguous personality, somewhat reminiscent of Kvachkov. I sometimes agree with his opinion. He certainly deserves respect for 2014.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 15 December 2020 16: 24
            0
            A muddy personality I would say. So what is your opinion on my thought in the previous post?
            1. Machito
              Machito 15 December 2020 16: 53
              +9
              Shooters and all sorts of Chubais, bulk, Kasparov and other curls - these are different fields of berries. All this liberot is a frankly venal substance. Strelkov is a patriot who is ready to give his life for Russia. I do not quite understand his political beliefs and views: somewhere he acts as a monarchist, and somewhere he acts in the spirit of Platoshkin. It is hard to believe that he is a paid sent Cossack, because he is ready to risk his life for the Russians and the Motherland. Strelkov is in opposition to the existing government and criticizes it on all fronts, sometimes in a rather confused way, on this I agree with you.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 16 December 2020 02: 43
            -3
            Quote: Bearded
            Strelkov is an ambiguous personality, somewhat reminiscent of Kvachkov.

            or Trotsky. request
        2. Berber
          Berber 15 December 2020 16: 46
          0
          The shooters are an interesting figure. At one time I was asking for an advisor to the GDP. Only the Kremlin knows its real value. An analyst is not very good at him, but he can make meaningful statements.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 15 December 2020 17: 37
            +6
            Quote: BerBer
            Only the Kremlin knows its real value.

            Does the Kremlin know the real price? Yes, the Kremlin is a bundle of connections, former partocrats who betrayed communism, their descendants, owners of big money and tycoons. And also media conductors, etc ... Who needs extra people there? There is another circle. Strelkov sees the situation from the inside and says how he understands it IMHO of course.
            1. Berber
              Berber 15 December 2020 18: 02
              -6
              Putin is a successful president! No matter how his opponents chastise him, he has been in power for quite a long time. The main secret of his success, certainly not in intrigues in the Kremlin circle. Professional analytical organizations work for him. And who is Strelkov, but an adventurer.
              It's my opinion.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 December 2020 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: BerBer
                The main secret of his success, certainly not in intrigues in the Kremlin circle. Professional analytical organizations work for him.

                the main secret of his success is that there is no war in Russia. And analytical organizations draw conclusions from their main task: - No matter how something happens ...
        3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 December 2020 17: 00
          +6
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          anti-Russian statements

          Anti-Russian, obviously, are statements aimed at distorting the existing reality in order to influence public opinion in assessing the effectiveness of the activities of our "elite".

          Various sycophants trying to level the people's just demand for a much more effective activity of our notorious "elites" have more than once cost Russia a lot of blood. Sooner or later, the moment of truth came, and then, instead of throwing hats and beating the enemy with little blood on its territory, our people were forced, gritting their teeth in inhuman tension, not sparing their very belly, to correct the mistakes of their rulers, carefully covered in peacetime from the human court just such despicable sycophants.

          In the 21st century, we have no right to repeat such mistakes. Russia no longer has the margin of safety that allowed us to survive in the past, despite all the mistakes of our leadership. There are only 140 million of us (and this number decreases every day). It doesn't fit in my head, but today there are even less of us than there were at the beginning of the 20th century. And this despite the fact that the number of our enemies has grown exponentially since then. And I don’t even want to talk about science, economics and the like. So today the price of mistakes covered by modern sycophants is greater than ever before.
          1. mark2
            mark2 15 December 2020 19: 22
            -4
            It doesn't fit in my head, but today there are even fewer of us than there were at the beginning of the 20th century.

            And how did that help the then RI? It is an agrarian country with small capitalism, which has lost two wars, which in its development has come to collapse.

            And I don’t even want to talk about science, economics and the like.


            Right and not necessary. You need to talk about things in which you are aware. Who is stopping you from doing science? Or do you think that science should be entirely state-supported. She is already on support. The state helps. And it also helps pensioners, the unemployed, pays teachers, military men, officials who organize the work of this very state. Budget money is involved everywhere. Tell me, who should be taken away from? Oh yeah oligarchs. Favorite topic. And they are just the largest taxpayers. From our modest income, what kind of fat? Only one laugh, and half of them don't want to give it away, because "the state owes them"

            And this despite the fact that the number of our enemies has grown significantly since then.


            Remained the same.

            Russia no longer has the margin of safety that allowed us to survive in past times, despite all the mistakes of our leadership

            In the end, they did not survive. The people remained the country changed. It didn’t turn out at the beginning of the last century, it didn’t appear at the end. So stocks have nothing to do with it.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 December 2020 21: 41
              +4
              Quote: mark2
              how did it help the then RI

              Did industrialization robots work?
              Did the Americans win the Great Patriotic War for us?
              People are our potential, which by now has been wasted to critical, in modern conditions, values
              1. Petrik66
                Petrik66 17 December 2020 09: 41
                -1
                You are talking about a completely different state - about the USSR, it was it that carried out industrialization, collectivization, brought science to the highest level, won wars, and then rotted from the inside. And about the Russian Empire of the Nicholas 2 model, there is nothing good to say.
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 December 2020 22: 23
              +3
              Quote: mark2
              She (science - approx. Citing) and so on providing. The state helps.

              Our government spends about the same amount on fundamental science as on our mediocre cinema and media. Moreover, a significant part of even this scanty amount is digested by effective managers from Rusnano, etc. This is a sentence.

              Quote: mark2
              Oh yeah oligarchs. Favorite topic. And they are just the largest taxpayers.

              The largest taxpayers in our country are state corporations. Large private business is perfectly "optimized" through offshore companies.

              Quote: mark2
              eventually did not survive. The people stayed the country changed

              Russia was and is. With any form of government. The determining factor in the existence of the state is the people.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 18 December 2020 08: 22
            +1
            I completely agree with you, they (the elite) do not work out their money before the state and the people. However, we have moved away from the topic. I think it's too early to write off zashtatnikov from the account. But the age of any schemer is coming to an end.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 15 December 2020 16: 54
        +6
        Our navy will never be equal even to the US navy. It's almost impossible. EVEN the Soviet Navy was weaker. This all refers to competition in tonnage, but it does not mean that we can and should try to surpass them in tactics and skill. Do not waste resources on unnecessary modern battleships, but rather invest in compact ships with powerful electronic stuffing. Example: leader and 22350M. We don't need to have 8 leaders at a fabulous price. Better than 20+ modernized frigates / destroyers with a limited number of launchers, but with sufficient detection equipment.
        1. Machito
          Machito 15 December 2020 17: 01
          0
          It is necessary to develop, first of all, the icebreaker fleet, to build armed icebreakers. Why catch up with the US Navy? Let them catch up with us in the Arctic, if they can. The North Pole is the shortest road to the United States. The Northern Sea Route is the shortest road to Asia. In the North there are large deposits of minerals.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 15 December 2020 17: 13
            +4
            Thank God our icebreaker fleet is the strongest in the world and the program on the topic is proceeding according to schedule. But the fleet is needed not only to attack the United States. And the icebreaker fleet is generally not needed for this. Fleet 1 is a projection of strength. More often than not, one AUG is enough to change a particular decision of the state, "on the shores" of which this AUG is located.
            We need to saturate the fleet with ships. I like the experience of China in this regard. There are a lot of problems there, but he is building at a colossal pace. And we design all the pennants, which we then build for a quarter of a century. As the saying goes, "good is the enemy of the best." we need GOOD ships and a LOT.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 15 December 2020 17: 44
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            The Northern Sea Route is the shortest road to Asia. In the North there are large deposits of minerals.

            And in America, Europe, Japan and South Korea, the largest reserves of engineering. The modern economy is 80% precisely the intellectual technological potential, which is not very accessible to us, and therefore we have to dig the earth laughing
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 December 2020 16: 32
      0
      Is this a new way to kick money out of their Congress and Senate for armaments? Otherwise, they say, we will not see luck crying the Chinese will crush technologically wassat ...
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 15 December 2020 16: 39
        +5
        And you laugh in vain. China set a goal to displace the United States from the throne. The Americans figured out all the current alignments and were really horrified. Maybe you have an outdated idea of ​​China, but unexpectedly for the Americans themselves, a real threat looms over their hegemony. Already the ground under their feet begins to burn.
        America is already lagging behind China in 5G technology. Huawei has really pushed aside Cisco. Quote from the translation of the article under discussion:
        When the Trump administration approached Cisco, the former leader in internet routers, with a proposal to merge with Ericsson to form a potential rival Huawei, it was told that the company was not buying businesses with such low margins.

        But it was the cheap Asian hardware that created the conditions for the software boom. Asia has subsidized large-scale capital investment while the US has avoided it, which means disastrous consequences for long-term competitiveness. This decision resulted in the loss of 10 million industrial jobs.

        “The Americans have agreed to a massive transfer of technology in exchange for access to the Chinese market, and they admit 350 Chinese students each year to their universities without any supervision. What is the reason? In blindness, naivety, lust for profit?

        - Four out of five PhD candidates in electronic engineering and computer science at American universities are foreigners, the largest group of whom are Chinese. We have trained an entire generation of world-class Chinese professors. In addition, Asians account for half the workforce of American tech companies. We can no longer do without Asian migrants. In hindsight, it is obvious that we should have recruited the students we would like to keep in the US. We were too naive about technology transfer and intellectual property theft. Be that as it may, it would be an exaggeration to attribute China's rise to theft of intellectual property. Some Chinese companies, such as Huawei, have proven to be more innovative than their Western counterparts. China produces six times more engineers and computer scientists than the United States, and their level is almost equal to ours.

        https://inosmi.ru/politic/20201215/248750808.html
        1. basmach
          basmach 15 December 2020 19: 33
          +1
          Here you got excited about Huawei. Literally 2 weeks ago, a message flashed - it flashed - that Huavets was selling its Honor brand. And a small comment from a representative about the reasons for the sale. And the reasons - sanctions - as a result of which it became impossible to purchase software, components. And the hope was expressed that with the sale the sanctions would cease to operate.
  2. marchcat
    marchcat 15 December 2020 15: 45
    0
    Well, they cannot fail to mention Russia in their arguments. They already "burn out", if you do not say something about Russia. fool
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 15 December 2020 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: marchcat
      They already "burn out", if you do not say something about Russia

      They talk about China, but they mention Russia. So to speak, two in one. lol
  3. Orkraider
    Orkraider 15 December 2020 15: 49
    +5
    Funny ... uniting means against China ...
    And if Russia and China become friends against them, what then? Will the West's terrible dream come true?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 15 December 2020 15: 54
      +9
      It would be nice, but we should not forget that in this world everyone is for himself and as soon as the reason that created this friendship is removed, the friendship itself ends. And then what? We need a system of checks and balances, we should not rush to extremes. for some reason, friends seem to be. This is not the first time, after all, we are already burned on this. You need to rely only on yourself and completely trust only yourself.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 15 December 2020 16: 44
        +2
        I agree 100%. The Chinese take advantage of others, and, in order not to disappear, it's time to learn to do the same ..

        And in fact, friendship with China, temporary, of course, the whole day, to be honest, does not leave me alone, the statement of the State Department when announcing sanctions on Turkey, especially this part of it:
        [Quote]
        to force Russia to pay the price in response to its wide range of malicious actions, "the State Department said in a statement.
        It's almost a declaration of war. After that, I want to make friends with someone, since we will not be able to carry out high-quality muck, and help us pay through them, our wonderful "partners", a good price, as they say "for our bazaar."

        Although the whole question is about the price for us, it may not be worth it, although the possible reason for our friendship is the United States of America, and this reason cannot be quickly eliminated.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 15 December 2020 16: 57
          +2
          States surrender, so they are nervous. But it is not necessary to escalate an already difficult situation. It will not make it any easier. The USA will pay for everything with time. These are the laws of Karma. In fact, China and the United States have already grappled. And we need to be smarter. Not to climb into the thick of hell. To leave room for a possible maneuver in one direction or another, without finally quarreling with either side. Who knows what will happen in the future. It would be necessary to spread straws, and not go to all the hard, succumbing to emotions.
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider 15 December 2020 17: 07
            +1
            Well said, I agree. I will add, about handing over: the worst thing is when a leader feels that his competitor is also weakening, and is about to take the lead, and that's all .. after that only a peak down, because a new, young and strong leader will not allow to get up again. And this moment, for the world, is extremely dangerous, because you want to stop being the first at any cost. Any price
          2. Orkraider
            Orkraider 15 December 2020 17: 19
            0
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            .
            ,
            I beg your pardon, I started the conversation without saying hello, I am writing from work, and missed it.

            Greetings!
            hi
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 15 December 2020 17: 25
              -1
              Greetings! hi
      2. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 15 December 2020 16: 59
        +2
        There has never been any friendship. There is only a triangle in which three corners (three countries) strive to maintain balance. It is worth strengthening the United States, China and the Russian Federation are pressing on them. China will strengthen, the Russian Federation and the United States will begin to contain China, forgetting about the graters. If the Russian Federation comes out, then the United States and China will sit on us, not letting go. The same is with the weakening of the sides, all will support each other in order to network an ally against the third.
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 15 December 2020 17: 16
          0
          Greetings!
          hi
          There is never any friendship
          .

          Well, I can't say that, there is and will be friendship, and there are examples of this, not only in our life, but also from the history of our Motherland, when RI came to the rescue to the detriment of its interests.
          I cannot agree with this and will become completely like the Anglophiles with theirs: there are no permanent enemies and friends, but there are only permanent interests of Britain. It opposes my Slavic gut.
          Although, in fact, you are right, and if you do not start living by their rules: they will devour.
          hi
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 15 December 2020 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        You need to rely only on yourself and completely trust only yourself.

        No matter how when it is relevant - "Do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask" ... Zek's truth, but it meets all modern challenges.
  4. askort154
    askort154 15 December 2020 16: 03
    +1
    The Americans should start cooperating with other countries, primarily with Europeans, as well as with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.


    Where is even more ?! They are already there - "I really can't". Only the "true American", David Goldman, doesn't notice.
  5. prapor55
    prapor55 15 December 2020 16: 08
    -2
    Interestingly, who allowed the French press to write about this?
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 December 2020 16: 16
    -2
    And France is like before the Battle of Trafalgar. They seem to be rattling with something, but there's little use.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 December 2020 16: 20
    -1
    French press: USA today looks like the admiralty of the Russian Empire before the defeat in Tsushima
    belay Apples and uncle in Kiev. fool However, what to take from Europe? The Admiralty and Tsushima, how are they related?
    Then, in 1904-1905, the potential of the Japanese navy was disdainful in St. Petersburg.
    belay The Japanese fleet had no potential. fool There were Naglosaki loans for the construction of the fleet and the conduct of the war. request Well, our bungling, of course.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 15 December 2020 17: 08
      +1
      Tsushima's Rozhdestvensky squadron was gouged with loans, or did the Japanese still have a fleet with the potential to kick the enemy's ass? laughing
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 15 December 2020 17: 23
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Rozhdestvensky's squadron near Tsushima gouged with loans, or did the Japanese still have a fleet with the potential to kick the enemy's ass? laughing
        fool O smartest of the smartest and knowledgeable of the knowledgeable, you are right, sleep well. request
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 15 December 2020 17: 40
          +1
          And you have at least something in stock besides a minus and a niochemoshny commentary? Or maybe you still take a book and read what relation the Admiralty in Petersburg has to the Russian fleet, and this fleet to the Tsushima disaster. laughing
          However, what to take from Europe?

          Poor Europe, Mauritius has nothing to take from it ... recourse
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 15 December 2020 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The Admiralty and Tsushima, how are they related?

      very straightforward, to start at least with an indistinct shipbuilding program, then comes the base of the Pacific Fleet in Port Arthur, unreasonable by anything (except for Witte's money), well, and a bunch of personnel miscalculations ...
      Causality: The Admiralty is the cause, and Tsushima is the effect.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 December 2020 20: 57
        -2
        very straightforward, to start at least with an indistinct shipbuilding program, then comes the base of the Pacific Fleet in Port Arthur, unreasonable by anything (except for Witte's money), well, and a bunch of personnel miscalculations ...

        Well, what is not clear to you? The kings ceased to control the empire from the moment the bombers attempted to kill them. By the time of Tsushima, the state apparatus was more than half paralyzed. Nicholas 2 simply retired from the board.
      2. gsev
        gsev 16 December 2020 00: 34
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        there is an unreasonable (except for Witte's money) basing of the Pacific Fleet in Port Arthur

        Port Arthur, unlike Vladivostok, did not freeze. In addition, it was easier to navigate the fleet from the ocean to Port Arthur than to Vladivostok. If 1 Pacific Squadron had not been destroyed and Port Arthur had not been occupied by the enemy, 2 Pacific Squadron had a chance to break through to Port Arthur and join with it. In addition, in Port Arthur, Russia got the Chinese port, defense, transport and industrial infrastructure. Basing the fleet in Vladivostok, it was difficult to operate in the Yellow Sea, the most likely theater of war in Manchuria. In addition, in 1900, a conflict with China was not ruled out.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 December 2020 16: 51
    +3
    The analogy is wrong.
    Americans are well aware that China is catching up and overtaking
    them both militarily and economically.
    They do not have a capricious attitude.
    They are feverishly building up their navy and aviation ahead of
    possible skirmish with China.
    1. molyr
      molyr 15 December 2020 20: 37
      0
      then they need this skirmish in the near future, while their nuclear potential keeps China from using its own and the question immediately arises, what about Russia?
    2. lucul
      lucul 15 December 2020 20: 58
      -2
      They are feverishly building up their navy and aviation ahead of
      possible skirmish with China.

      That's good, but we will help China, as with Vietnam.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2020 21: 07
        0
        Vietnam today is China's worst enemy and is friendly
        with the United States.
        It is not the distant enemy that is dangerous, but the one with whom the common border is. smile
        1. lucul
          lucul 15 December 2020 21: 09
          -2
          Vietnam today is China's worst enemy and is friendly

          It doesn't matter, the main thing is to help China.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 15 December 2020 22: 24
            0
            You do not understand: there is a common border between China and Russia. And China is by no means a friend of Russia.
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 17: 13
    -1
    The Americans should start cooperating with other countries, primarily with Europeans, as well as with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. laughing With the same raw material "giants" - that is, beggars laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 December 2020 20: 48
      +3
      "the same raw material" giants "- that is, beggars laughing" ///
      ----
      All three of these countries are tech giants.
      World leaders in electronics and mechanical engineering.
      Russia buys all its serious electronics from Taiwan.
      Those who have no raw materials start to use their brains wink
      And the raw materials lead to the gradual atrophy of this organ.
      1. lucul
        lucul 15 December 2020 20: 53
        -2
        Those who have no raw materials start to use their brains wink
        And the raw materials lead to the gradual atrophy of this organ.

        Raw materials lead to increased expansion. And the lack of raw materials only leads to an increase in intrigues. But you have elevated the intrigues to the absolute.
        If it is not clear - the man has health (resources) - he does something. And if there is no health (resources), then only female intrigues remain, no more.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 December 2020 20: 59
          +2
          "Raw materials lead to expansion expansion" ///
          ----
          The reliance on the export of raw materials inevitably leads to an economic lag.
          20 years of Putin (his erroneous theory of "economic superpower") is very
          clearly shown.
          1. lucul
            lucul 15 December 2020 20: 59
            -3
            The reliance on the export of raw materials inevitably leads to an economic lag.
            20 years of Putin (his erroneous theory of "economic superpower") is very
            clearly shown.

            Hutspa Detected.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 17: 15
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The analogy is wrong.
    Americans are well aware that China is catching up and overtaking
    them both militarily and economically.
    They do not have a capricious attitude.
    They are feverishly building up their navy and aviation ahead of
    possible skirmish with China.

    You might think that neighbors will stay on the sidelines laughing And on occasion they will not make a control shot in the head.
  11. cniza
    cniza 15 December 2020 17: 25
    +1
    But all this in Washington continues to be overlooked. Goldman believes that the United States today is like the admiralty of the Russian Empire before the defeat at Tsushima. Then, in 1904-1905, the potential of the Japanese navy was disdainful in St. Petersburg. And instead of reorganizing their fleet, they sent warships from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean to certain death.


    A very interesting analogy, there is something in this ...
  12. malyvalv
    malyvalv 15 December 2020 17: 33
    0
    After Port Arthur, there was hardly an underestimation of the Japanese fleet. Rather, there was a strong reassessment of their own capabilities and Rozhestvensky's squadron.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 December 2020 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: malyvalv
      After Port Arthur, there was hardly an underestimation of the Japanese fleet.

      And BEFORE Port Arthur, there was no underestimation. Russia hastily built ships, did not have time - ordered from abroad, made considerable efforts to organize the basing of ships in the Far East ...
      The only mistake was in the date of readiness of the Japanese fleet. They expected 1905, and even that, the sailors said that the Yapas would prepare earlier. Witte, with his economy ...
  13. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 December 2020 17: 43
    +1
    What nonsense, excuse me?
  14. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 15 December 2020 18: 08
    0
    Japan, the Yankees are already walking around ...
  15. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 15 December 2020 18: 11
    0
    "The United States will no longer be able to overcome the future technological gap with China. In his opinion, America can avoid this, but it will have to make significant efforts, and it is necessary to act immediately. Americans should begin to cooperate with other countries, primarily with Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. "
    They learned it on their own ...
    The main task for us is to overtake and overtake the PRC.
    Even where the communists did not manage to overtake us, the miracle of the capitalists is vigorous ...
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 18: 30
    0
    As an enemy of Russia in 1904-1905, Japan already in 1914 became an ally of Russia in a new war. Russia received aid from Japan both with weapons (bought it) and ships (some of the former Russian ships). What can you do, it is politics - today is an enemy, tomorrow is neutral, the day after tomorrow is a friend, and then - either again neutral or an enemy.
  17. iouris
    iouris 15 December 2020 21: 35
    0
    And Rust has already arrived to us.
  18. Egor53
    Egor53 15 December 2020 21: 55
    +1
    China is not catching up with the United States in terms of economic indicators, and has long surpassed them significantly.
    The GDP of the industrial sector and agriculture in China (excluding services) is 11 trillion dollars a year, while the United States has only 3,7, which is 3 times less. India, by the way, has 3,4.
    At the same time, the economies of China and India are growing, while the US is falling.
    https://www.politforums.net/economics/1502135222.html

    In 2022, the United States will become the 3rd economy in the world, behind China and India.

    The Americans really need a big war in order to write off their debts ... but it's very scary, and the Americans are extremely cowardly.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      15 December 2020 22: 03
      +1
      If the Americans need a big war, then only one in which someone else will fight, not them. And the United States would make money on military supplies. They are experts in such matters.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 22: 19
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "the same raw material" giants "- that is, beggars laughing" ///
    ----
    All three of these countries are tech giants.
    World leaders in electronics and mechanical engineering.
    Russia buys all its serious electronics from Taiwan.
    Those who have no raw materials start to use their brains wink
    And the raw materials lead to the gradual atrophy of this organ.

    Well, why not a simple board without raw materials? laughing Or build a mechanism, without Metal, Gas, Oil, and other derivatives of them laughing The gloomy German genius in his time invented a lot of things in a single piece, or that HEMA Resources remained on a piece of paper .. laughing
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 22: 54
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    How the Roman Empire collapsed If the territory of a state goes beyond the limits of a quick connection with the Center, the country falls apart. How the Roman Empire collapsed, splitting into Western and Eastern because of the overgrown territory that could no longer be controlled from Rome. And as a result, internal strife and against this background barbaric raids. The empire destroyed itself, alas. This is dialectics.
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 December 2020 23: 07
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "Raw materials lead to expansion expansion" ///
    ----
    The reliance on the export of raw materials inevitably leads to an economic lag.
    20 years of Putin (his erroneous theory of "economic superpower") is very
    clearly shown.

    The weaponry in the tribal zone shows that there are plenty of talented future engineers there. laughing If they are secular, then there may be an increase in intellectual capital within 2 generations in total to a level higher than Iran, where there are a lot of women with V / O now, more in percentage terms than in the USSR / RF. laughing
    1. gsev
      gsev 16 December 2020 00: 40
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The weaponry in the tribal zone shows that there are plenty of talented future engineers there.

      There is no normal metallurgical base and no unified technical, planning and scientific policy. They stupidly copy weapons, but the life cycle of clones is very small due to isolated technical omissions. In addition, Peschevary Workshops can only produce light weapons. The Pashtuns could not copy the Stingers or reprogram the "Friend or Foe" system on them.