The United States announced that Russia has no chance to complete the construction of Nord Stream 2

Russia has no chance of implementing the Nord Stream 2 project despite the resumption of its construction. The DPA agency writes about this with reference to a statement by a high-ranking White House official.

According to a US administration official, the Russian gas pipeline will not be completed and it will never supply Russian gas to Europe.

Nord Stream 2 is a pipeline that will never transport Russian gas. If Nord Stream 2 could
actually complete the project, they would have done it long ago

- Said a US official.

On the eve of the Senate of the US Congress approved the draft US military budget for fiscal 2021, which provides for sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream gas pipelines.

At the same time, Nord Stream 2 AG announced the resumption of construction of a pipeline in German waters with a total length of 2,6 km. To date, the question of completing a section of the gas pipeline in the waters of Denmark about 150 km long remains open. The company said that further construction work on the offshore section will be announced additionally.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Will they send an aircraft carrier? To the Baltic? Now is the time to finish building it. Trump was "shot down", Biden is still sleeping, there may not be another chance for a long time ...

[Temples]

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers (government?) On the United States.
The gas pipeline was built only at a time when the United States did not interfere with this. In fact, they gave the go-ahead.
As soon as the United States changed its attitude towards the project with deeds, the project stopped.

You can beat yourself in the chest and shout that the United States is bastard, but the fact remains that the Miller cannot finish building the gas pipeline.

There is a chance to prove to the whole world that Russians are independent - to launch this project.

Let's see if the current leaders are able to do this.

Or they can only compensate for their expenses by raising prices and further extortions in the form of taxes and fees.

[mark2]

Or they can only compensate for their expenses by raising prices and further extortions in the form of taxes and fees

Their expenses cannot be compensated by levies from the population. The hungry are alone

[military_cat]

But five old women is already a ruble.

[bulvas]

Quote: Temples

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers (government?) On the United States.

It's too early to shout "hurray" or to let drool.

No one fully knows why SP2 is needed.
For gas transportation only, or also for other purposes, for example,
- to quarrel Germany (Europe) with the USA
- to influence Germany (Europe)
- to distract the US attention from something else

Putin has shown more than once that it is difficult to calculate it, and now we are not in a position to deal only with the economy

And in general, no one has yet conquered or conquered us and has not taken anything from us. It's too early to cry that we were bent down everywhere.

And what someone says
- as you say, it is not prohibited.

About prices for the population
- whoever doesn't like it, try to make a price calculation yourself and prove that yours is more reasonable.

And yes, try to find cheaper elsewhere.

[Svarog]

It's too early to shout "hurray" or to let drool.

In case of fire, only arsonists can shout "hurray" ..

No one fully knows why SP2 is needed.
For gas transportation only, or also for other purposes, for example,
- to quarrel Germany (Europe) with the USA
- to influence Germany (Europe)
- to distract the US attention from something else

Influence, distract, quarrel ..

Putin has shown more than once that it is difficult to calculate it, and now we are not in a position to deal only with the economy

About prices for the population
- whoever doesn't like it, try to make a price calculation yourself and prove that yours is more reasonable.

And yes, try to find cheaper elsewhere.

Some kind of psychiatry ..

[bulvas]

Quote: Svarog

Some kind of psychiatry ..

And what is not psychiatry?

Give Syria to Israel, Turkey and Qatar?
Give the Caucasus to Turkey?
Give Crimea to the Americans?
Give Belarus to the Poles?
Allow Brussels to force Russian men and their children to wear lilac feathers in their ass?

Or immediately put Navalny in the Kremlin so that he can do everything in one fell swoop?

Which one do you choose?

Or maybe you have your own wishes?

[Svarog]

Quote: bulvas

And what is not psychiatry?

There is no causal connection at all, as well as a conclusion based on logic and common sense.

Which one do you choose?

And why are you putting me before some strange choice, which for some unknown reason has arisen in your mind?

[bulvas]

Quote: Svarog

There is no causal connection at all, as well as a conclusion based on logic and common sense.

Do not pretend to be a specialist in "causation" and logic.


Another fan of demagoguery to breed

[bulvas]

Quote: bulvas

Give Syria to Israel, Turkey and Qatar?
Give the Caucasus to Turkey?
Give Crimea to the Americans?
Give Belarus to the Poles?
Allow Brussels to force Russian men and their children to wear lilac feathers in their ass?

Or immediately put Navalny in the Kremlin so that he can do everything in one fell swoop?

Which one do you choose?

Quote: Svarog

And why are you putting me before some strange choice, which for some unknown reason has arisen in your mind?

If you don't understand this, what are you doing here?

We would go to a forum for lovers of cats or fashionable handbags, and there they would practice "logic" or "common sense"

[Civil]

Give Syria to Israel, Turkey and Qatar?
Give the Caucasus to Turkey?
Give Crimea to the Americans?
Give Belarus to the Poles?

And what is this property of United Russia? What does this mean to ordinary impoverished Russians?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Civil

What does this mean to ordinary impoverished Russians?

Saving the COUNTRY.

Without her, the Russians themselves will not be.

This is what Russia has ALWAYS done

[bulvas]

Quote: Olgovich

Saving the COUNTRY.

Without her, the Russians themselves will not be.

This is what Russia has ALWAYS done

Andrew,
Those who shout about "impoverished Russians" cannot understand this.

And those who understand this are not impoverished

[gjkrjdybr50]

The impoverished are earning their living, not sitting on the net. General's shoulder straps, but you talk like the beginning. warehouse. Does the Caucasus belong to the Turks, the Crimea to the Yusam, and Belarus to the pshek? It is necessary to think, not to wave a sword!

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Svarog

And why are you putting me before some strange choice, which for some unknown reason has arisen in your mind?

Then, when you criticize, it is customary to offer alternatives. Otherwise, it is, as noted above, drooling.
For many years of commenting here, no one was able to provide in return any real and more effective management option with its performer. I emphasize, none.

[bulvas]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Quote: Svarog

And why are you putting me before some strange choice, which for some unknown reason has arisen in your mind?

Then, when you criticize, it is customary to offer alternatives. Otherwise, it is, as noted above, drooling.
For many years of commenting here, no one was able to provide in return any real and more effective management option with its performer. I emphasize, none.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: El Chuvachino

For many years of commenting here, no one has been able to provide in return any real and more effective management option with its performer.

There is no need to offer a real and more effective management option here - he
long ago proposed by life: this is the Soviet planned version. Temporary failures and even collapses are not fatal, this is just an excuse for deep analysis and error correction.

[bulvas]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

this is the Soviet planned version

But reworked with experience in mind.
No dogmas, adjust to new realities.

It looks like the new cabinet team is doing this.

[210ox]

Didn't they write about the LDNR? And there is only one wish - to finish building. Indeed.

[bulvas]

Quote: 210ox

Didn't they write about the LDNR? And there is only one wish - to finish building. Indeed.

Yes, he already ran away, he had enough

[syndicalist]

Quote: bulvas

No one fully knows why SP2 is needed.

The only goal is to abandon Ukrainian transit. For Europeans, nothing changes. Gas volumes, prices - everything is at the same level. Therefore, they have no interest in SP2.

[bulvas]

Quote: syndicalist

For Europeans, nothing changes. Gas volumes, prices - everything is at the same level. Therefore, they have no interest in SP2.

You are mistaken

1. The price for Germany will be lower - intermediaries remain on the sidelines
2. Germany has a major hub for the rest of Europe - a lot of money
3. Reducing the cost of energy for enterprises - an additional advantage in competition with China and the USA

And the most on the surface
- there would be no interest - would Germany argue with the United States?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

For some reason I am firmly convinced that SP-2 necessarily will be completed and launched. Although the butting with the Americans will continue. I guess it will happen at the end of 2021 or in 2022, it depends on the tests.

[bulvas]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

For some reason, I am firmly convinced that the SP-2 will definitely be completed and launched.

Vladimir,
unless they give up in Berlin.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: bulvas

Vladimir,
unless they give up in Berlin.

Yes, there policy strongly change and show off. And the American mongrels around decently squeal and bark. Only, carefully observing all the vicissitudes, for some reason I am sure: will be completed and launched!

[syndicalist]

Quote: bulvas

1. The price for Germany will be lower - intermediaries remain on the sidelines
2. Germany has a major hub for the rest of Europe - a lot of money
3. Reducing the cost of energy for enterprises - an additional advantage in competition with China and the USA

1. Intermediaries do not charge for air, but for the maintenance and servicing of the pipeline. This article isn't just going nowhere, it's going to grow.
2. For Germany, perhaps there is a certain benefit, but the rest of Europe, so what?
3. If the gas price does not change, how will the prime cost decrease?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: bulvas

We would go to a forum for lovers of cats or fashionable handbags, and there they would practice "logic" or "common sense"

What's your common sense on the site? Tell us, share reasonable arguments and smart thoughts ...

Quote: bulvas

It's too early to shout "hurray" or to let drool.

So what's early? "Hurray" to scream or drool? Is it early to jump under the train or jump from an airplane without a parachute?

Quote: bulvas

No one fully knows why SP2 is needed.

What do you mean? This is "epidemic". They built and built, took out the sanctions sticks from the wheels, but "why" all this fuss was still undecided ... Or it was not brought to you that Russia cannot embroil anyone - it is not economically capable. Take a look here:

The main export destinations of goods from Germany in 2019 were
USA with a share of 8,94% (133 billion US $)
France with a share of 7,99% (119 billion US $)
China with a share of 7,25% (US $ 108 billion)
Netherlands with a share of 6,21% (US $ 92 billion)
Great Britain with a share of 5,9% (88 billion US $)
Italy with a share of 5,09% (76 billion US $)
Poland with a share of 4,93% (73 billion US $)
Austria with a share of 4,75% (71 billion US $)
Switzerland with a share of 4,33% (64 billion US $)
Belgium with a share of 3,45% (51 billion US $)

Now compare:

Russian imports from Germany in 2019 amounted to USD 25, a decrease of 111% (USD 890) compared to 608.

$ 113 billion versus $ 25 billion Who will Germany reach?

Quote: bulvas

Putin has shown more than once that it is difficult to calculate it, and now we are not in a position to deal only with the economy

We have all seen what Putin showed. There is no need to calculate it. And we (Russia) today are in such a position that the economy had to be dealt with even “the day before yesterday”. That is why its growth is at the level of inflation and amounted to 1,4% last year, when inflation was 5,5%.

Quote: bulvas

And in general, no one has yet conquered or conquered us and has not taken anything from us. It's too early to cry that we were bent down everywhere.

Did Deripaska tell you this when he transferred assets to the United States? Or did Gref explain why Sberbank does not work in Crimea? Or does the composition of the board of directors of Rosneft and Gazprom say nothing?
And you are doing everything right. After all, it has long been clear:

Bequeathed to me Father "Godfather":
First, to please all people without exception;
Boss, where you happen to live,
To the boss with whom I will serve,
His servant who cleans the dress
To the janitor, the janitor, to avoid evil,
Dog janitor, to be affectionate.

[tol100v]

Quote: bulvas

And yes, try to find cheaper elsewhere.

I absolutely agree with you!

[sustav75]

Be so kind! Throw yourself off the tallest building in your dwelling! When will you become extinct as a species?

[bulvas]

Quote: sustav75

Be so kind! Throw yourself off the tallest building in your dwelling! When will you become extinct as a species?

don't hide behind the words, specify who this "you" is?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Why are you whining? Gas in Russia is several times cheaper than in Europe.

Want gas for free? Will you personally go to the north to get it for free? Buy equipment for production with your own money so that you can then be supplied with gas for free?

No. So don't whine and collect your snot.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

No. So don't whine and collect your snot.

Masterpiece

[ccsr]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

No. So don't whine and collect your snot.

Briefly, figuratively and fairly. But not everyone is pleased with it - "with your own lard, but for tinsel" ...

[paul3390]

That is, Gazprom is a company of exceptionally talented and honest people who, for their hard-earned money, explored gas reserves, created infrastructure in a swamp, stretched pipelines across half of the continent, and finally began to supply gas? Do I understand you correctly? And the fact that they simply stole and brazenly exploited the Soviet national heritage into their pockets are rumors and intrigues of envious people?

[Naive]

With the world on a thread naked shirt ...

[Normal ok]

Quote: Naive

With the world on a thread naked shirt ...

With the world on a thread, - a naked rope ((

[Volder]

Quote: Temples

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers on the United States.

Let me correct: ... the dependence of foreign companies on the United States, which are afraid of sanctions. Russia is not afraid of sanctions, it simply does not have the necessary pipelayer.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Volder

Let me correct: ... the dependence of foreign companies on the United States, which are afraid of sanctions.

But who suffers? Anyway, dancing with tambourines around SP-2 best of all reflect the complete dependence of the Russian economy on trade in resources and the venality of "our" government.
An adequate leader would have long ago sent the "partners" to hell and cut gas supplies through other pipelines by several times. For "technical" reasons. In six months or a year, the Germans themselves would have completed the construction of the SP-2. Better yet, stop delivering gas to end consumers altogether, announcing that Russia will not abandon its contractual obligations, but will sell gas only at its border.
But for such decisions, you need kokoshkas, which you can't see at the top.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

and cut gas supplies through other pipelines several times.

and would pay a HUGE penalty
"Excellent" maneuver

For "technical" reasons.

And these are the problems of the supplier

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lipchanin

and would pay a HUGE penalty
"Excellent" maneuver

It's cheaper than being hooked all the time. Especially considering the artificially provoked gas price surges. Because of which Gazprom "got" in full.
You are not unaware that sometimes it is better to gnaw off your own paw like a wolf, and escape from the clutches of a hunter, who will eventually make a stuffed animal out of you.

[carstorm 11]

It was not only Gazprom that got there, but everyone who is in this market. This is a WORLD crisis. Not the first and not the last.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Not one Gazprom hit

Yes, not alone. But Gazprom has the biggest losses.

Quote: carstorm 11

You will never return the image

Come on? In addition to the fact that the image is a gain, there is such a thing as respect. A country completely dependent on the trade in resources does not command respect. So they behave with us accordingly. They did not behave like that with the USSR.

[carstorm 11]

What makes you think that he has the largest ones?)))) They have not even published annual reports yet. losses from falling prices are the same for all. The only difference is in the amount of exports. The image is a real thing. But only until his loss. After that you will not come back. And let me remind you that only 30% of its size goes to the budget from trade in resources. This nifiga is not a complete dependence on the word at all))) and with a fig with the USSR did not behave like that?) Everything was exactly the same. There are just more tools now. And sanctions and so on were his entire history. Don't be creative.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

What makes you think that they have the largest?))))

Are you familiar with the concept of LOGIC? Gazprom is the largest gas importer in the world, and therefore it is he who suffers the most from falling prices and demand. And given the dependence of the Russian economy on it, the entire population suffers.

Quote: carstorm 11

After you will not return back

Are you serious? In big business and in politics, there are plenty of examples when the image was built from scratch, and just as full of examples when it was restored.
But globally, it's not even about the image, as I already wrote to you above. The image of a supplier of resources is generally a questionable dignity, especially against the background of a stagnant and impoverished population.

[carstorm 11]

Your logic is strange) of course, the largest importer loses more than the one who imports less))) but there are such concepts as turnover and consumption with income) the whole point is that the main gas market is within the country) we are the largest gas consumer on the continent) all Europe almost consumes less than ourselves. It is a global company worldwide. She builds factories and not only extracts but also makes processing. Owns a bunch of assets that also make a profit. Has a huge margin of safety. The largest contract in the history of Gazprom was concluded last year in the domestic market))) in such a business, losses in one place are compensated by other investors and consider them separately as a kindergarten. I don’t need to tell me about the restored image in business) these are fairy tales and even more so to compare it with the political one. These are different universes. In business, everything is different. They will just take your place right away. Instantly. Lost markets are almost 100 percent lost for very many years. I am now explaining common truths to you.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Your logic is strange)

Logic is a mathematical concept, and it either exists or not. And there is an indisputable fact - Gazprom has lost and received less than all the companies and countries in the world. Medical fact.

Quote: carstorm 11

They will just take your place right away. Instantly.

Who and what? Shale and liquefied gas? Do not make me laugh. As soon as Gazprom reduces gas exports, prices on the world market will skyrocket. It is not for nothing that the United States is constantly throwing spokes in the wheels of attempts to create a gas analogue of OPEC.

Quote: carstorm 11

I am now explaining common truths to you.

They write the same thing on the fence, and there are people who claim that there is exactly what is written.

[carstorm 11]

Your logic is flawed because it is based on kitchen knowledge about it. Of course, the larger the player, the greater his loss in amounts. Only they, without reference to the general turnover, do not make any sense. For this year the world losses are 12 TRILLION dollars !!! Replace?) Over the past 5 years, the States have increased exports significantly. It is for this reason that the Russian Federation did not want to enter into a new OPEC deal. Because we are reducing production and this place is immediately taken by the states. You can find this open data yourself. They already export more than we do. Have you been in hibernation for the last 5 years or what?)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Your logic is flawed because it is based on kitchen knowledge about it

No need to admit it, initially it was about the fact that Gazprom has lost the most gas exporters. This is, as I said, a medical fact. Do you want to turn the topic further - without me.

Quote: carstorm 11

Because we are reducing production and this place is immediately taken by the states.

The States can engage in dumping and economic blackmail as much as they want, but they will not have new gas fields. It's a shame you don't understand the obvious. Try to learn how to play poker, take a different look at world trade and politics.

[carstorm 11]

As I understand it, the fact that the states are the world leader in gas production is news to you)))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

leader in gas production

Yes. And in terms of domestic consumption (although you were talking about Russia), but not on gas reserves... It was about gas reserves that I said that no new fields would appear in the United States. You are a heavy man in thoughts. Do you even understand the meaning of the term dumping?

[carstorm 11]

Consumers on the continent are leaders) states live on the other) as for supplies, this is already ridiculous. The market is flooded with produced gas and not with the prospect of extracting it sometime) with the opportunity to increase production here and now

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Consumers on the continent are leaders) states live on the other)

It was about consumption in general, not about continents. Do not play around.

Quote: carstorm 11

The market is flooded with produced gas and not with the prospect of producing it sometime

But long-term contracts are concluded based on the seller's gas reserves. Did not know?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The States can engage in dumping and economic blackmail as much as they want, but they will not have new gas fields.

how does it not appear? now they will say that democracy is bad in Qatar, they will start a war there, and the United States has new gas fields.

[Ingvar 72]

If only so.

[Kisa]

one thing got into a crisis - prices did not beat back. another thing is when the project at 95% readiness stood up by someone's will. to finish it is already a matter of the principle, or bend over again in another place. a year ago, everyone was sure that they would finish building. then they began to argue about the timing. right now they generally argue whether they will bring the pipe. tomorrow they will argue for punishment if someone uses it ..... this story is just beginning

[carstorm 11]

Cheaper? ) Really? In addition to financial losses, there are much more terrible - image ones. Money can be lost and returned. You will never return the image.

[Moskovit]

This is what the United States is waiting for, to declare, you see what kind of Russia is inadequate, buy our reduced one. More expensive, but no frills.
I have gas at my dacha and at home. What does it matter to me who Gazprom is fighting with, I need gas to flow without interruption. Especially in winter

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Ingvar 72

SP-2 best reflects the complete dependence of the Russian economy on resource trade

Quote: Ingvar 72

An adequate leader would have long ago sent "partners" to hell, and reduced gas supplies several times

Quote: Ingvar 72

Better yet, stop delivering gas to end consumers altogether.

Now I am happy that you, with your notions of "adequacy", have no influence on these questions.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Now I am happy that you, with your notions of "adequacy", have no influence on these questions.

If you are a resident of Europe or the United States, your happiness is certainly understandable.

[Volder]

Quote: Ingvar 72

dances with tambourines around SP-2 best of all reflect the complete dependence of the Russian economy on the trade in resources and the venality of "our" government.

The structure of the Russian budget consists of 35% of oil and gas revenues. That is, the dependence is not complete. While gas and oil are in demand, they must be traded. This is the law of the market, we have a market economy. Otherwise, we will lose sales markets (since our place will be taken by competitors), and the budget of the Russian Federation will become scarce. Thousands of people employed in the oil and gas sector will be left without work, the Russian government will not be able to fulfill social obligations, and so on ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Volder

The structure of the Russian budget consists of 35% of oil and gas revenues

Then how to explain the collapse of the ruble exchange rate when oil prices fall? In Saudi Arabia, the share of oil revenues is just over 50%, but their currency has practically not lost in value. And they have less gold reserves. By the way, no other country in the world has lost so much of its national currency when oil prices fall. How do you think such a dissonance can be explained?

Quote: Volder

and the RF budget will become deficit.

This is another indicator of Russia's dependence on oil and gas revenues. Although the mantras that it is necessary to get off the oil and gas needle, the first persons of the state have been singing for more than 10 years. But things are still there.

[Volder]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Then how to explain the collapse of the ruble exchange rate when oil prices fall?

The ruble was released by the government and the Central Bank to float freely, i.e. the course is not frozen. In itself, the depreciation of the ruble is not a critical factor, since Russia's trade balance (balance) is positive. The stability of the economy is not assessed at the national rate. currency. By the way, no sanctions were imposed against Saudi Arabia, but there were sanctions against Russia, which limited the attraction of financial resources. The sanctions make it difficult for enterprises and banks to access the external debt market, preventing them from fully refinancing external debt. The closure of external capital markets and the increase in the cost of borrowed funds of enterprises also negatively affected the investment climate of the country, which led to a decrease in the volume of investments by companies in market sectors and intensified the negative trend of declining investments in fixed assets in the economy as a whole. However, Russia is not "torn to shreds." We have enough money for all sorts of development projects - from urban infrastructure to the Arctic, space and weapons.

Quote: Ingvar 72

This is another indicator of Russia's dependence on oil and gas revenues.

As I said, there is dependence, but only partial. Oil and gas revenues are good, not evil. They help the economy. In the days of the USSR, such incomes also took place.

Although the mantras that it is necessary to get off the oil and gas needle, the first persons of the state have been singing for more than 10 years. But things are still there.

They are working on this, but it makes no sense to completely dismount, because this means the end of oil and gas trade. Offer this to Saudi Arabia and you will be thrown up on the very first tree (just kidding).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Volder

The ruble was released by the government and the Central Bank to float freely, i.e. the course is not frozen.

In oil importing countries, the exchange rates of national currencies were also not frozen. Do you understand what I mean?

Quote: Volder

The closure of external capital markets and the increase in the cost of borrowed funds of enterprises also negatively affected the investment climate of the country, which led to a decrease in the volume of investments by companies in market sectors and intensified the negative trend of declining investments in fixed assets in the economy as a whole.

This once again confirms the dependence of the Russian economy.

Quote: Volder

Sanctions make it difficult for businesses and banks

We have a huge domestic market, which is almost entirely imported. Expansion for the development of its own production.

Quote: Volder

from urban infrastructure to the Arctic, space and weapons.

Do you call this development? Then compare with China.

Quote: Volder

Oil and gas revenues are good, not evil.

When used as an auxiliary element for internal development, rather than the planned main income. And our budget is adopted taking into account forecasts of oil prices. I'm wrong?

[UAZ 452]

When you don't have the equipment you need, you depend on who has it. And whether you are afraid of someone or not, does not affect the degree of your dependence. Unless you go to bow with your head held high.

[Yaro Polk]

screen this comment here ... this chela., you talk here more often, then you can troll)

[Boris Chernikov]

Well, yes, you think the most powerful country in the world is putting spokes in the wheels .. they still have to finish on time ... in fact, the Americans are putting sticks, ours are finding workarounds and gradually finishing the project, Given the epidemic in Europe, it makes sense to urgently complete the project, no.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Stop talking nonsense !!!

[APASUS]

Quote: Temples

There is a chance to prove to the whole world that Russians are independent - to launch this project.

I think there are still a bunch of conditions that are not written about in the media.
Just as an example:
At our plant, Gazprom kept its equipment for pumping gas and it is all American General Electric. The Americans simply warned that they would stop all their equipment in Gazprom at other fields if JV 2 was completed.
So the question arose about the completion

[paul3390]

It's strange - when they offer Gazprom to stop gas supplies to Europe, they immediately shout about irreparable damage to the image of a reliable supplier .. But for the American General Electric, slowing down the operation of its equipment - like everything is fine, the image will not suffer, it should be so .. Curious - why so?

[APASUS]

Quote: paul3390

It's strange - when they offer Gazprom to stop gas supplies to Europe, they immediately shout about irreparable damage to the image of a reliable supplier .. But for the American General Electric, slowing down the operation of its equipment - like everything is fine, the image will not suffer, it should be so .. Curious - why so?

The point is who forms these rules
Cheating in the US elections is democratic and does not violate rights. And to cheat in the elections in Belarus, for example, a sign of dictatorship, violation of all possible rights and laws.
Bombing thugs in Syria with the Russian Aerospace Forces is a crime against the will of the people. Bombing the cities of Yugoslavia, protecting the country's civilian population!
Hypocrisy - as the basis of US policy!

[kit88]

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers (government?) On the United States.

As you are all in a bunch.
Russians are independent. For example, they needed a bridge to the Crimea - they told everyone that Krymnash was built. Whoever blathers on the sly.
Here you have to build on the territory of Denmark. Russian sovereignty does not extend to Denmark. This is the territory of the United States. If you want, you don't want to, but you need to negotiate.

[major147]

Quote: kit88

Here you have to build on the territory of Denmark. Russian sovereignty does not extend to Denmark.

Denmark has allowed Gazprom to build Nord Stream 2. This will allow you to finish building it.
October 30 2019

[carstorm 11]

The first was built in the same way with a bunch of tantrums and no less disturbed. As it was completed.

[Horon]

a chance to prove to the whole world that Russians are independent - to launch this project.

A chance to prove their independence to the world will learn to make and sell the final product, and to consume gas ourselves.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Temples

Let's see if the current leaders are able to do this.

We have been looking for a whole year. Wow, how they shouted a year ago: "A matter of honor!" And where is it?

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

Г

The gas pipeline was built only at a time when the USA did not interfere with this. In fact, they gave the go-ahead.

In fact, the US was being lured into a financial trap. Money is their main weapon

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Temples

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers (government?) On the United States.

Hello, we've arrived. The problem is not in our gas workers and the government, but in the fact that Denmark rests, in the waters of which 150 km of pipes must be laid.
So the construction of the SP-2 demonstrates to the whole world only that Denmark is completely dependent on the United States.

Quote: Temples

You can beat yourself in the chest and shout that the United States is reptile, but the fact remains -

in the nature of the USA bastards!

Quote: Temples

There is a chance to prove to the whole world that Russians are independent - to launch this project.

Chickens are pinched in the fall. If the GAS pipeline is not completed, the HYDROGEN pipeline will be completed, and this is a completely different filling both in meaning and in texture, but what will subsequently run through the pipe, gas or hydrogen, will already be decided without looking at the mattresses. The project is legally brought under the roof of the environmental protection of Europe in order to reduce emissions and the greenhouse effect, in connection with which it will be problematic for mattresses to insist that Europe increase emissions and increase the greenhouse effect, i.e. figuratively speaking, they legally sculpt "a golden-haired, pink, clear-eyed child, whom the mattresses will have to shoot on the air" and demonstrate their complete inadequacy to the whole world.

[esso]

The information that the construction of the final section of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is being resumed is being confirmed. Several weeks ago, there were reports that they plan to resume laying the pipe along the bottom of the Baltic Sea before the end of this year. Today, the information about the resumption of construction of SP-2 is announced by the company that owns the project - Nord Stream 2.
The construction of the gas pipeline was resumed in German waters. The work is currently carried out by the ship "Fortuna". According to the latest information, the crew of this vessel will lay a pipeline of short length - about 3 km at a depth of less than 30 m.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Temples

Let's see if the current leaders are able to do this.

No and no again.

[Alexey Polyutkin]

Russia has no building capacity. And those companies that can build are afraid of sanctions (European, etc.)

[Andrey Ostroushko]

And what does the complete dependence of Russian gas companies on the United States have to do with it, if only European contractors fled from the United States during last year's sanctions? Why then did we not shut up and leave, but today we are completing it ourselves? Real facts suggest otherwise.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Will they send an aircraft carrier? To the Baltic? Now is the time to finish building it. Trump was "shot down", Biden is still sleeping, there may not be another chance for a long time ...

I agree with you, Eugene!
Yesterday I wrote a post in VO about the construction of Nord Stream 2, as a fight between our oligarchy and the "dark forces" from the United States.
I do not refuse my words - it would be better if Russia were building an internal gas network on its territory and gas processing plants.
But if you got involved in this construction, you need to finish building!
So many thousand tons of pipes were laid on the bottom! ..
There is something left, with a gulkin's nose ...
That svidomye will be delighted! ..

[Vadim237]

"I do not refuse my words - it would be better if Russia were building an internal gas network on its territory and gas processing plants." It has been building gas processing plants and gas pipelines for connecting settlements for a long time, and you seem to be asleep.

[askort154]

Mountain Shooter.... Will they send an aircraft carrier? To the Baltic?

The aircraft carrier was not sent, but on December 10, NATO ships were sent, which cut "circles" around "Chersky" from Lithuania, on the border with the Russian zone. The US decided to go to the bank, psychologically putting pressure on all participants in the construction of the SP-2.

[Cosm22]

Poor "Chersky" ...
It turns out he just can't break through some sort of blockade?
And we are all racking our brains - why does the project stand rooted to the spot?
All kinds of conspiracy theories come into my head ...
Maybe there is no equipment on board the Chersky for laying pipes of this diameter? Maybe the crew lacks qualifications for such work? Maybe the point is that even if the construction is completed, the pipeline will never work, because it must be certified and insured by independent international organizations, which is now completely ruled out after the latest sanctions?
An, it’s like this ... The ship is simply not allowed to the place of work, psychologically pressed. Thank you for clearing up the situation.

[major147]

Quote: Cosm22

An, it’s like this ... The ship is simply not allowed to the place of work, psychologically pressed. Thank you for clearing up the situation.

I will rush.
"Chersky" confirmed the new certificates at the Curonian Spit, it turned out that the number of personnel shifts on both pipelayers, having permission to work, is not enough to provide four shift work in accordance with the labor legislation of Germany and the EU. Construction could be stopped at any time by the European Labor Inspectorate.

Therefore, NS-2 AG decided to postpone the start of construction once again and urgently certify one more shift of workers, both for Fortuna and Chersky. But if in the first case the raid of Wismar was enough, then in the second it took another return of "Chersky" to the training ground near Kaliningrad. "

[Cosm22]

Clear.
Thanks again for clarifying the situation again.
Now, as I understand it, all the obstacles have been removed completely, and the Chersky will start to finish building the pipe in Danish waters at an accelerated pace? Hopefully, will have time to finish building before the next spawning of cod?
And since you are so well versed in details, can you clarify along the way another question - what to do with certification? Not the one that allegedly caused the ship to have already wound half-equator-length circles, but the one that is required to put the pipeline into operation?
And why finish building something that, according to the current situation, may not work at all due to the sanctions?

[major147]

Quote: Cosm22

And since you are so well versed in details,

Unfortunately, I am not an expert in this matter, not an employee of Gazprom, but only use information from open sources.

Quote: Cosm22

And why finish building

In my opinion, it makes no sense to finish building something that "may not work at all". But this is a view from my "bump". And since construction continues, then it makes sense.

[Cosm22]

Sisyphus probably also saw the meaning in his work.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: major147

"Fortune"

Uh-huh. Fortune walks under a foreign rag.

[major147]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Uh-huh. Fortune walks under a foreign rag.

[Mordvin 3]

Thank you. Tu-Tu, academician ...



































































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[Peaceful SEO]

The circles of NATO ships are pressing so hard :) Well, they are wandering, so what?

[SeregaBoss]

Yes throw it tries .. let the Germans finish building.

[Finches]

I cannot understand - how and, most importantly, why you can love the Anglo-Saxons, how some comrades love them ... However, there are all kinds of devil worshiping sects! Not a single human act in the centuries of existence is always a lie, hypocrisy, double standards, lack of principle, cunning and cruelty!

[Temples]

Quote: Finches

always lies, hypocrisy, double standards, unscrupulousness, cunning and cruelty!

This is the assessment of our officials.

One field of berries.

I don't care about the British and other dill, but what is being done inside the country suggests that officials live in a different country.

Foam at the mouth to build gas pipelines for the Germans, Turks and other Romanians at a time when we probably have half of the population outside the cities without gas.
And what is important - our population does not receive gas for free.
Why not gasify your country?
Apparently rubles to the miller vpadlu. The buck and the euro warm the soul and this is a fact of investing in the western economy

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Temples

we have probably half of the population outside the cities without gas.

And this already depends on the governors.
What a bad thing we have, he was not, how they did not like him, but he completely gasified the region

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

And this already depends on the governors.

And where is the governor? Gasification of the regions, these are mainly federal programs.
They do not want to supply gas to my native village (Gazprom) because few pipes have to be laid, you will not earn anything.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Gasification of the regions, these are mainly federal programs.

The pipe will be brought to the reion, if there is an application. Further, the matter of the region itself.
So it was in our region.
True, the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline passed through us

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

The pipe will be brought to the reion if ...

I say it again, Gazprom refuses to pull the pipe, about 3 kilometers. They say a small distance, you can't make money on it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I say it again, Gazprom refuses to pull the pipe, about 3 kilometers. They say a small distance, you can't make money on it.

Again, everything depends on the governor. You can contact the President directly. and on "Azprom" government will be found

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

Again, everything depends on the governor. You can contact the President directly. and on "Azprom" government will be found

In your opinion, this is a normal practice, because of every little thing to contact the "king"?
And what does the governor have to do with it? The head of the rural settlement is engaged in this.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lipchanin

You can contact the President directly.

We contacted. Didn't find the pipe.

[Rostovchanin]

Gazprom itself is not engaged in construction, it has a bunch of contractors for this, such as Stroygazmontazh, Krasnodrgazstroy, Gazstroproekt, Gazstroyprom, Lengazspetsstroy, etc. etc. He doesn't make money laying pipes

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Temples

Why not gasify your country?

Because billionaires stupidly bought coal mining enterprises from state offices for a pittance and now they are selling coal to the three-storey population and the thermal power station. Now, in all cities of Siberia and the Far East, coal-fired power plants cannot breathe, they can constantly weigh. On the other hand, kickbacks to officials and super profits are pouring into Moscow like a river.

[Orkraider]

You are not right!
The modernization of old coal-fired units and the construction of new combined-cycle units are ongoing. Get curious about the dpm-1 and dpm barcode program. And by the way, the reconstructed coal mine gives the minimum emission. I was present at the commissioning of a new coal block, this is heaven and earth with old stations

[Dodikson]

he has such a task. to mislead people by shielding the United States and to blame the mattresses on the Russians.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dodikson

to mislead people by shielding the United States and to blame the mattresses on the Russians.

Sitting down to play cards with cheaters, it is foolish to blame them later for your loss.

[Dodikson]

therefore, you should always call the sharper a sharper, so that the rest do not fall for their bait.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dodikson

therefore, you should always call the sharper a sharper, so that the rest do not fall for their bait.

The whole world is playing by the rules of the dealer sharper. And everyone knows it. And only a fool will try to outplay him according to his rules.
Understand - it is foolish to blame the wires for the electric shock, taking them with your bare hands.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The exiled cossack. All you have power and officials in Russia are to blame.

Who do you think is to blame? Is it not the authorities and officials who sell gas with delivery abroad, at a time when half of Russia is without gas? Not "effective" managers of a state corporation who conclude deliberately flawed contracts and receive millions in bonuses for this?
We are with the United States at a constant "gatehouse", and the possibility of sanctions could have been foreseen. What was not done, but not a single Gazprom lawyer was fired. Lack of professionalism or intent is evident. So this is the direct fault of our officials.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Who do you think is to blame? Is it not the authorities and officials who sell gas with delivery abroad, while half of Russia is without gas?

If gas were not sold to Europe, then the gasified territory would be several times less than the territory of Russia !!!

The money for the gasification of Russia comes from gas sales abroad !!!

There was gas in the USSR, but there were no oligarchs, there were no kickbacks, there were no private companies, but how many villages and cities were gasified under the USSR ?!

Little.

Who was in the way? All the same it was state.

As for the lawsuits, it was impossible for Gazprom to win them, since all courts in the West are biased and decisions on them are always made against the interests of Russia !!! And no lawyer will help you here.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

If gas were not sold to Europe, then the gasified territory would be several times less than the territory of Russia !!!

Why did you decide that? It is obvious to me that the money is used to pay dividends and bonuses to top managers of Gazprom (available in the public domain), at a time when my mother has been promised gas for 10 years. And nothing has changed.
Further - according to your norm, when gasification of your own population depends on the sale of resources to sworn "partners"? Is it normal for your family's personal life to depend on your wife's adventures with her neighbor?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

There was gas in the USSR, but there were no oligarchs, there were no kickbacks, there were no private companies, but how many villages and cities were gasified under the USSR ?!

A lot of. In addition, under the USSR, the lack of gasification was compensated for by cheap electricity, coal and firewood.

[Vadim237]

"It is obvious to me that the money is used to pay dividends and bonuses to top managers of Gazprom" - Like the other hundreds of thousands of shareholders both in Russia and abroad who own shares of this company. We have a market economy to get money you need to create something and sell it for free, no one will do anything.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

this is something to sell for free, no one will do anything.

You have too flat and market thinking, Vadik. The state should treat its own population as family members, and not as a source of profit.

[common man]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

There was gas in the USSR, but there were no oligarchs, there were no kickbacks, there were no private companies, but how many villages and cities were gasified under the USSR ?!

You probably confused the RSFSR and the USSR. In the 70s and 80s, almost all of Ukraine, the Baltic States and Central Asia were gasified. But hands did not reach the Russian hinterland. And for that, yes, thanks to our international ideology, which later turned its back on us.

[Vadim237]

The fact of the matter is that the republics were dragged and developed at the expense of the RSFSR.

[Peaceful SEO]

Quote: Temples

Quote: Finches

always lies, hypocrisy, double standards, unscrupulousness, cunning and cruelty!

This is the assessment of our officials.

One field of berries.

I don't care about the British and other dill, but what is being done inside the country suggests that officials live in a different country.

Foam at the mouth to build gas pipelines for the Germans, Turks and other Romanians at a time when we probably have half of the population outside the cities without gas.
And what is important - our population does not receive gas for free.
Why not gasify your country?
Apparently rubles to the miller vpadlu. The buck and the euro warm the soul and this is a fact of investing in the western economy

Half without gas? Maybe you need to live closer to the villages? Well, purely so that a pipe with gas for 1 house should not be pulled 50 km, but at least 500 m?
And the "gasification of the whole country" in 99% of cases rests on the unwillingness to pay for this gasification by the end consumers. We have not communism for a long time

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

why you can love the Anglo-Saxons,

Is it really necessary to love them?

[Finches]

For example, Ukrainians simply adore them!

[Dodikson]

they adore everyone who hates Russians

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Finches

- always lies, hypocrisy, double standards, lack of principles, cunning and cruelty!

[UAZ 452]

As for double standards: a few years ago I read (I can hardly find a link) that in St. Petersburg a certain businessman decided to build a gas-fueled thermal power plant, signed an agreement with the local branch of Gazprom. But here Gazprom's employees buy another thermal power plant themselves, and a potential competitor becomes like a bone in their throat. I don’t remember the details, but for carrying out a gas pipeline branch a couple of kilometers for this entrepreneur, they rolled out a price tag at a cost that was almost more than the construction of a CHP. The project died. How does this tactic differ from the actions of the United States and its limitrophes in relation to the SP-2? Nothing personal, just business.

[UAZ 452]

Here, I found a link, although I myself then read other material, where everything was more directly described. The shares, it turns out, were transferred (sold?) To Smolny by entrepreneurs, but he also does not have enough weight to compete with Gazprom.
https://www.rbc.ru/spb_sz/21/05/2015/5592b0869a794719538d423d

[askort154]

Finches I cannot understand how and, most importantly, why you can love the Anglo-Saxons, as some comrades love them ..

This is not "love", this is admiration. They collected tribute from everyone for 400 years
coastal countries. If anyone resisted, they were forced by military force.
This strategy is still valid in the 20th century. Only, plus to this, they were the first in the world to "attract" countries through the financial system by organizing banks and exchange trading. They openly spit on all sorts of international rules, including the UN. England does not betray any criminals. Therefore - it is now, the fiefdom of all "illegitimate finance" and political crooks. even Arab sheikhs keep their "wallets" in England. That is why "BREKZIT" dragged on. It is difficult to share the "loot" settled in England. (therefore, I do not recognize the name of this "island stub of the World -" Great Britain ") This is fashionable among our" elite. "In Soviet times, it has always been - England, even during the Civil War, and the Great Patriotic War. But today's generation is bad knows history, it is poorly presented by modern "teachers", therefore, they draw their "knowledge" from "gadgets", where it is the Anglo-Saxon theory of "correct life on planet Earth" that prevails.
(I in "a nutshell", joined your fair reproach)

[NDR-791]

On the eve of the Senate of the US Congress approved the draft US military budget for the 2021 fiscal year, which provides sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream gas pipelines
Learn the right way !!! The pipe is iron, she doesn't care. But how many attendants for this business can be written off, you will swing !!!! True, they also say that completion is not the most important thing, the main thing is certification. And here there will be a plug. I don't know if it's true or not.

[svp67]

Nord Stream 2 is a pipeline that will never transport Russian gas.

This is a more precise definition than what is stated in the title of the article. Since the pipelines themselves can, of course, be completed, even with the help of the leisurely barge "Fortune", but with its commissioning, more and more problems arise and then to solve them, this means to completely quarrel with the United States, will the companies and the government go to this Germany ... let's see

[Avior]

This raises another question.
Initially, JV2 was a joint venture with 50 percent of shares held by Gazprom, and 10 percent by European companies, respectively, and invested in money.
Then the structure was changed, and SP2 became a 100 percent enterprise of Gazprom.
The Europeans gave SP2 loans, not direct deposits, as before.
And the question is, under what conditions did they give loans and what do they lose when SP2 stops?

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

And the question is, under what conditions did they give loans and what do they lose when SP2 stops?

There are a lot, and now they think that it will cost more ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Avior

what do they lose when SP2 stops?

Lose lost profits. They lent under the terms of SP-1: regardless of whether the gas was pumping or not, they received money for the design capacity of the pipeline, i.e. for transit.
Such a scheme was planned for SP-2, but a bummer.

[Avior]

What's the bummer?
They did not invest money, but gave a loan.
All responsibility is on JV2, which is 100 percent owned by Gazprom.
After all, one thing is that you are a co-owner and your risk, and another is a loan that must be repaid somehow.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

And the question is, under what conditions did they give loans and what do they lose when SP2 stops?

Have you heard anything about the force majeure that exists in such transactions? When foreigners invested, they could not have been unaware of the actions of "third forces" and therefore it would be naive to believe that they would want to receive their contribution exclusively from Gazprom. So even if the construction of the JV-2 is stopped for some time or politicians ban the pumping of gas through it, European investors will demand compensation not from Gazprom, but from those who banned the project. This is what Merkel always remembers - they also know how to count budget money, and the experience with the Mistrals also taught them something. Only the cost of the Mistrals is a penny in comparison with the amounts of lost benefits of the FRG, which they should have received this year. And this puts a lot of pressure on their brains, and breaks the template for many Germans from such a loss.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

About force majeure

And let’s argue? How long will it take to complete?

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And let’s argue? How long will it take to complete?

What do you want to argue about, even if no one still knows when the problem with the coronavirus will be solved. And there can be many such factors. But based on my assumptions, I think that by the spring of 2022 the gas pipeline itself will be completed. But when the gas is pumped in, I still cannot judge - let's see how this winter goes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ccsr

And there can be many such factors.

Yeah, for example, they told me to put up a fence by the 15th of December, so, nosebleed, but we're doing it. Regardless of any factors.

[ccsr]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yeah, for example, they told me to put up a fence by the 15th of December, so, nosebleed, but we're doing it. Regardless of any factors.

Are you building a fence near the White House in Washington? Trump has agreed or will not complete the construction without his permission?

[Avior]

Therefore, I ask, on what conditions did you agree with the loan?
Force majeure in this case, let's say, controversial.
Formally, the States have nothing to do with SP2.
And I did not understand your logic, why they should demand compensation from the budget, and not from Gazprom, if it comes to that, it has clearly not come to this.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

Therefore, I ask, on what conditions did you agree with the loan?

I do not think that someone on the forum will tell you all the details of this contract - this is confidential information, and therefore I can only make assumptions.

Quote: Avior

Formally, the States have nothing to do with SP2.

They will definitely not receive income.

Quote: Avior

And I did not understand your logic, why they should demand compensation from the budget, and not from Gazprom, if it comes to that, it has clearly not come to this.

And because the decision to stop the work was not made by Gazprom - what claims can there be against it? So far, as far as I know, the German government has not banned the construction of SP-2, so work is underway, but there is a delay. So if Merkel makes such a decision, then Gazprom will transfer all arrows to her - this is obvious, as was the case with helicopter carriers.

[Avior]

The German government did not take such a decision, and why should he?
If there is someone who wants to build and ensure the start-up of the gas pipeline, it’s only for.
But only SP2 itself is responsible for finding such a contractor, and according to the new scheme it is a 100% subsidiary of Gazprom.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

and under the new scheme it is a 100% subsidiary of Gazprom.

European capital has not gone anywhere and it wants to receive dividends - there will be problems with its daughter, European investors will have problems, and this is obvious.

[Avior]

what is the question - do they expect to receive dividends or fear for the loss of investments, issued as a loan to Gazprom?
The difference is still noticeable.

[Imobile]

There are only bonuses for effective managers for the start of construction of hundreds of billions of dollars.

[seregin-s1]

The rulers change, but the pipes remain. Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod, Druzhba have been working since Soviet times and will continue to work.

[sleeve]

But they will cut off Europe from heat and light! Direct sanctions on Gazprom, such as a ban on payments, sanctions for this on everyone (as with Iran) and Europe. After all, they play and write the rules themselves, but the brain sometimes does not think beyond the operation 0-1.
And we will build a pipe. But whether gas will flow through it is absolutely their problem. Do not go-loshars and pussies and slaves. Go-men (well, or whoever they have there now).

[Lipchanin]

Quote: sleeve

(well, or who they have there now)

Parent # 1 well, Y or # 2, I don't know for sure

[Gennady Fomkin]

I am touched by the whole smokescreen with the SP-2 .. The idle blokhera are sitting on the couch and tracking the movement of ships on a computer. WHAT FOR ? Yes, for the sake of hype and likes, that is, just for the sake of money. They sell information to idle magazines, and they sculpt with a clever look complete garbage with a bunch of previously well-known facts. And they sell money to the editorial offices of the media (Means of Mass Idiotization). And what really happened and is being done - knows a very limited number of managers from Gazprom, NORD Stream 2 and special services ... We will find out EVERYTHING in a couple of years. May be.. :)

[Yaro Polk]

ugly dog ​​barks caravan goes)
Not sickly here at the forelock pombonulo ....)

[Mykhalych]

And in the meantime: Construction of Nord Stream 2 has resumed. The anchor pipelayer "Fortuna" continued laying the unfinished section in German waters. This was announced on Friday, December 11, in the company - the operator of the Nord Stream 2 AG project.https://iz.ru/1098903/2020-12-11/nord-stream-2-zaiavila-o-vozobnovlenii-ukladki-severnogo-potoka-2- well, how it is gritting, - sobala barks, and Russia will finish building Nord Stream 2 and drive away the dogs with a club (it will find which one).
“Nord Stream 2 confirms the resumption of pipe-laying, scheduled for December 11, as noted in the notice to the mariners of the State Administration of Waterways and Shipping of Stralsund, Germany,” the operator said in RIA Novosti.

It is specified that the pipelayer will lay a 2,6 km section of the gas pipeline at a depth of 30 m in the exclusive economic zone of Germany.

Igor Yushkov, an expert at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, told Izvestia on December 11 that Fortune would need no more than a week to lay the unfinished section of Nord Stream 2 in German waters.
https://iz.ru/1098903/2020-12-11/nord-stream-2-zaiavila-o-vozobnovlenii-ukladki-severnogo-potoka-2
Current you, these pro-Americans, without fanaticism ... They covered me with minuses, like mustard plasters .. justify, justify.

[major147]

Quote: Mykhalych

They covered me with minuses like mustard plasters.

Rejoice! If they try to shit on you, then you have brought someone to diarrhea!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mykhalych

Russia will finish building all one,

What year? Mikhalych, let's argue about the bubble.

[Mykhalych]

Quote: Mordvin 3

What year? Mikhalych, let's argue about the bubble

In the next one, T-E. in 2021. Let's get drunk right!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mykhalych

In the next one, T-E. in 2021.

That's it, they scored.

[Yaro Polk]

Any ugly sanctions can be circumvented, the light did not converge on them.

[Brturin]

Quote: Yaro Polk

any ugly sanctions can be bypassed, the light did not converge on them.

But this depends not only on Russia, but also on the same Germany and Denmark, their regulators give permission to courts, accept or not accept insurers, certifiers ... Russia can offer options for a court, insurers ..., and the final decision is for them .... So, in words, Germany still supports the SP-2, let's see what will happen in practice .... It has already been noted that the state does not fall under the sanctions. structure of Europeans and it was suggested that they could create some kind of state fund and exclude a joint venture there ... there were other options, but ... I repeat, are the Europeans ready to go for it or the words of support will be only words ...

[Guru]

One thing I don’t understand is why Gazprom will not buy the vessels from Allseas.
There was a message:

As reported by Bloomberg, citing the Allseas press service, the group of vessels that was involved in laying the gas pipeline will "Disbanded".

Source: https://petrodigest.ru/news/23-12-2019-kompanija-ukladchik-trub-dlja-proekta-severnyj-potok-2-vyvela-suda-iz-zony-stroitelstva
And that was a year ago. Maybe someone knows more, please comment.

[Avior]

Disbanded - this means transferred to other projects
And why can't they buy - it seems that the Americans had sanctions against whoever sells equipment for the construction of a gas pipeline

[Vadim237]

One thing I don’t understand is why Gazprom will not buy the vessels from Allseas. There is no point, since Gazprom will no longer pull gas pipelines along the seabed - it will build gas carriers and transport LNG by sea. And he was going to develop hydrogen production.

[Mykhalych]

By the way: Jen Psaki during the briefing did not give an answer to the question about the construction of Nord Stream 2. The famous representative of the State Department again needed to clarify the information.

The future press secretary of the White House and ex-representative of the US State Department again embarrassed reporters over the issue of Russia. She was unable to say anything about the resumption of construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which has long been a bone in the throat of the United States. Today it became known that, despite all the US sanctions, the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline was continued. The pipe-laying vessel Fortuna has started laying the last section of the gas pipeline in German waters. Psaki was asked to somehow comment on this event."I have not discussed this issue with our group of national security advisers at this time."- said the press secretary in response and promised to tell about everything "later."
https://x-true.info/105632-psaki-opjat-okonfuzilas-iz-za-rossii-vopros-o-severnom-potoke-2-postavil-v-tupik.html

[tralflot1832]

We have, as in that anecdote about two ways! To complete or not to complete. And there are already options. And to watch the comments of your beloved Psaki, he already wets the crusts.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Why are you whining? Gas in Russia is several times cheaper than in Europe.

Want gas for free? Will you personally go to the north to get it for free? Buy equipment for production with your own money so that you can then be supplied with gas for free?

No. So don't whine and collect your snot.

We, in Krasnoyarsk, basically want to see gas, at least at European prices. Hurray-patriots, how is it written in the manual, why Siberia did not deserve gas?

[Python Kaa]

Actually, I have to say thank you to the USA.
Taking things out of the apartment to buy a drink for today is a complete analogy of selling non-renewable raw materials.
In exchange for beads and mirrors + bills abroad

[Kotofeich]

"and would pay a HUGE penalty
"Excellent" maneuver "
One had to think about the penalty when the contract was signed.

[rocket757]

About how many wonderful statements there have already been ... and there will be more.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

About how many wonderful statements there have already been ... and there will be more.

And then someone will not even blush ...

[rocket757]

Hi
Politicians, officials, journalists .... to be responsible for their "bazaar" is nonsense!
Although there is no doubt that they will shit.

[cniza]

Good time!

Previously, they were forced to eat a newspaper for this, there is a magazine, and now they are rewarded ...

[rocket757]

The mainstream, however, he takes over everything.

[cniza]

Well, yes, it still affects other quotes in the auction ...

[rocket757]

Ha, it's okay with us, but in the world there is now the fourth, fifth, and even some kind of power .... in short, these authorities are divorced and they all affect quotes, rates, and the devil has an impact on sho !!!
The woman had no worries, the woman bought a pig !!! WHAT FOR?

[cniza]

This is how speculators make money when there is a shuffle.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

This is how speculators make money when there is a shuffle.

They earn, BUT, they burn out too.

[rotmistr60]

"Nord Stream 2" is a pipeline that will never transport Russian gas ... - said an American official.

And whose and what kind of gas will Mr. American official transport? First, you stock up on the required amount of your LNG in order to meet at least half of Europe's needs, make the same Germany do without Russian gas, and then arrogantly rush promises. To be honest, the sheer chaos on the part of this gendarme pretty tired. In such cases, people from an excess of feelings say: "When will you (USA) die?"

[Nikita Vinogradov]

you never know what pedros in the American government think - we are fighting for them!

[Brancodd]

This is largely not about the United States, but about Germany. And the Kremlin's miscalculation, which has relied on a strategic partnership with Germany. Our leadership, with strange consistency and inexplicable tenacity, has tried to ignore all of Germany's antics over the past 15 years. Even when Germany twisted the hands of Bulgaria with South Stream, we preferred to blame everything on the visit of the US congressmen to Sofia. By the way, after it became known about Bulgaria's decision on South Stream, Merkel uttered her famous phrase "Done." All German newspapers then came out with this headline and Merkel's portrait. After the breakdown of the South Stream, the Russians can drag their streams along the bottom of the Baltic as much as they like. The main thing is that they all come to Germany. And Germany has the strongest instrument of pressure, moreover, reusable. For example, to support their project "Ukraine". And a lot more for what .. For example, to strengthen their positions in relations with the United States. This dependence cannot be untied, now this knot can only be cut ...

[Egor53]

EU countries will soon have a large gas deficit. The United States produces less gas than it consumes, and in principle cannot supply gas to Europe. In Norway, gas reserves are falling sharply. LNG is more expensive than pipe gas by $ 100 per 1000 cubic meters. It is difficult to provide Europe with LNG alone.
Sooner or later, the EU will creep to Russia for gas.

[digitalcn75]

As the Americans say, so be it. You can grind your teeth, bite your elbows and express concerns, but this is an objective reality. In the case of Nord Stream 2, when there are several hundred meters left to lay, it looks like a uniform mockery. Having invested billions in the project, Gazprom will only have to fix losses.

[Vadim237]

"As the Americans say, so it will be." There will be no levers slowing down the construction of joint venture 2, they no longer build our ships and the Germans said directly that they would not interfere.

[maxim k.]

In general, as I understand it, VO is a triumph of trolls and bots, all kinds of "marshals" laughing All who do not agree with their position are destined to trample the bottom of the "privates", which these same "marshals" themselves and set laughing

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: maxim k.

In general, as I understand it, VO is the triumph of the trolls

Aren't you confusing anything, goner?

[Connor MacLeod]

Yes, all this is empty rhetoric. "A long time ago" it could not be completed, because there was no pipelayer. Now the pipelayer has appeared, so construction has been resumed.

[novoku]

Most likely, the fact is that the opponents around the SP-2 have long agreed, and now they are implementing the matter with saving everyone's face. After all, we know absolutely nothing about undercover agreements.

[Ros 56]

The blind man said: let's see how the legless man dances. In short, my grandmother said in two.
I am sure of one thing, no one knows what can be expected from our elite, over the past ten years, we and the whole world have been surprised at the decisions made more than once. And not striped remnants to climb into our affairs.

[Mykhalych]

Just yesterday: The European market reacted to the onset of cold weather. In the early days of winter, the air temperature in a number of European countries began to drop to, as they say in the EU itself, "uncomfortable" values. So, in the north of Germany and Poland, in Denmark, the Netherlands and a number of other European countries, temperatures began to drop below zero. In such a situation, an increased demand for gas has arisen, and the level of this demand is higher than in the same dates last year. https://topwar.ru/178029-ceny-na-gaz-v-evrope-pokazali-maksimalnyj-rost-s-nachala-vesny-201goda.html And whose gas will be chosen from the EU PLEASE RHEETORICAL QUESTION ...
I doubt that the Gayropeans do not know the saying: Its shirt is closer to the body.

[cniza]

According to a US administration official, the Russian gas pipeline will not be completed and it will never supply Russian gas to Europe.

Here we wait and see ...

[Strannik96]

In Germany, nuclear power plants are closed along with coal ones, and although windmills produce electricity, they can just stand for a day or two, without gas, which is advantageous in comparison with America. they will not survive

[cniza]

So it is for industry, as without gas ...

[Whirlwind]

Perhaps Putin did not want to annoy Trump before the elections, so that the Biden would not peck at Trump again for their inability to resist Gazprom. Therefore, he postponed the laying of the pipe until the elections.
After the inauguration, much will become clear ...

[iouris]

The Germans lured the Russians into their territory and "froze" them. Kutuzoff.

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: Temples

The construction of Nord Stream 2 demonstrates to the whole world the complete dependence of Russian gas workers (government?) On the United States.
The gas pipeline was built only at a time when the United States did not interfere with this. In fact, they gave the go-ahead.
As soon as the United States changed its attitude towards the project with deeds, the project stopped.

You can beat yourself in the chest and shout that the United States is bastard, but the fact remains that the Miller cannot finish building the gas pipeline.

There is a chance to prove to the whole world that Russians are independent - to launch this project.

Let's see if the current leaders are able to do this.

Or they can only compensate for their expenses by raising prices and further extortions in the form of taxes and fees.

Duc ... the world is ruled by the dollar unfortunately

[Ura Orlov]

Probably the USA in Europe will build large generators of John Searl for free in every city.

[123456789]

On the eve of the Senate of the US Congress approved the draft US military budget for the 2021 fiscal year, which provides sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 and Turkish Stream gas pipelines.

Where are the retaliatory sanctions? For example, with regard to CPC, a ban on the transportation of "American" oil through the territory of the Russian Federation, etc. But you never know how you can answer.

[gjkrjdybr50]

I read the comments and am surprised how many advanced specialists in the field of government and large corporations, in the field of economics, gas and oil production, and other strategically important areas for Russia are there. And the President of Russia is only Putin, while Miller and Sechin are in charge of gas and oil, and the prime minister is in the government, Mishustin. Guys, you have nothing to do? Repair the faucet in the bathroom, adjust the window so that it does not bleed through, let the air out of the batteries so that it warms up better, finally check the lessons with the children. You need to assert yourself by deeds, and not by trembling and cleverness in the network, since they could not break out into the Putin, Millers, Sechins, Mishustins, etc., do things of your level, for which there are enough brains. One gets the impression that most of the "specialists" have never supervised anything or anyone and can only scratch with language and retell the data found on the network, passing them off as their "enlightened opinion".

[digitalcn75]

Typical servile: 'They know better at the top, but we cho, we know our business, peasant - weave sandals.'
There is no need to sacralize this gathering of officials, by the way, to put it mildly, not the most successful, and recently not the most successful. They carefully bring Russia under the monastery, soon you will see everything for yourself. And, by the way, those countries in which the bosses are just officials accountable to the voter (and not to the electorate) live much better.

[Kushka]

Victor Nikolaevich, bravo! So to them!
I don’t remember the great one who said:
85% of what a person knows about reality
in fact, the information that he
someone gave (and someone else). BUT ONLY
15% - real knowledge!
And how much Apolmbu! And even for the breasts
strive!

[iouris]

Quote: Kushka

Victor Nikolaevich, bravo! So to them!

Yes! Few of us are scolded by our bosses! More need to scold us! We are loafers, losers, freeloaders, a burden for the budget, ignoramuses, stupid creatures ... We all need to turn off everything, And so that they know how to knock on the keys.

[IC]

It is technically possible to complete the gas pipeline. But after graduation, you need to get the approval and certification of the international classification society and insure against possible damage.
According to the latest US sanctions, these features are prohibited. The main company GL-DNV has already announced its non-participation in the project in advance. So far, no one has indicated the way how to put the gas pipeline into operation.

[fa2998]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Will they send an aircraft carrier? To the Baltic?

Quote: Temples

As soon as the United States changed its attitude towards the project with deeds, the project stopped.

The Americans stopped construction even without an aircraft carrier. No matter how much our cheeks puffed up, they drove the steamer across half the world, and in a year or a meter they advanced. These are import substitutions!

[Victor Tsenin]

That's really where in a parallel world people live, people who are not quite adequate people broadcast their nonsense from there, they themselves believe in it)