Takeoff module "Chang'e-5" smashed on the surface of the moon

The takeoff module of the Chinese lunar mission Chang'e-5, which delivered the capsule with soil to orbit, completed its work and was smashed against the lunar surface. This was reported on the website Spacenews.com

The take-off module with lunar soil, which took off from the surface of the Moon on December 3, on December 6, docked with the service module in orbit. After docking, the capsule with lunar soil was automatically reloaded into the reentry module, and the takeoff part of the Chang'e-5 spacecraft, together with the docking adapter, separated from the service module.

After undocking, despite the fuel remaining on board the take-off module, it was decided not to extend its service life. On Tuesday, December 8 at 06:59 Beijing time, the takeoff module was de-orbited under the control of the ground control team. The spacecraft collided with the lunar surface at a point with coordinates 0 degrees longitude and 30 degrees south latitude, which corresponds to the area between the craters Regiomontan and Walther, located in the southern mountainous area on the visible side of the moon.

The decision to eliminate the take-off module in the Chinese National Space Corporation (CNSA) was explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit for further lunar missions.

The service module remaining in orbit should launch to Earth on December 12 and, having reached a distance of 5 thousand kilometers from the planet, drop a capsule with soil, which on December 16 is to land in one of the regions of inner Mongolia.

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[svp67]

explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

[Proton]

I agree!
Perhaps they did not want the applied technologies, even theoretically, to fall into other hands.

[krot]

The decision to eliminate the take-off module in the Chinese National Space Corporation (CNSA) was explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit for further lunar missions.

This is the right approach! The Chinese think about the future of people, unlike the United States, which goes under the motto "after us, even a flood" "

[An64]

The Chinese think about the future of people, unlike the United States, which goes under the motto "after us, even a flood

And Obama and Trump are shitting in our doorways.
Check out the statistics of who littered space and how much

[Dart]

a link to just "bagels" can you?

[halpat]

Quote: Dart

a link to just "bagels" can you?

very clear illustration: Russia is evil !!
what other links to bagels?
And the amount of garbage is growing, despite the decrease in the number of launches.
You can show one more "bagels", the growth of launches and the number of satellites in the Earth's orbit, but the task is different there: the Americans are great and ahead of the rest of the planet.
It is not recommended to combine these pictures, you do not need to think either, and even more so ask all sorts of questions ... stupid by definition

[krot]

And Obama and Trump are shitting in our doorways.

Your Sumerians may be shitting ... Everyone in your country crap at the potheads, except yourself ..

[sla1372]

such statistics, you can draw what you want

[ccsr]

Quote: svp67

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

They also litter on Earth - the same Musk:

The prototype Starship rocket of businessman Elon Musk crashed into the ground during flight tests, not having time to extinguish speed when attempting a vertical landing. This is the third failed test in six months.

Somehow, this topic somehow turned out to be "blurry" with us, and the discussion did not work ...

[ROSS_51]

Quote: krot

The Chinese think about the future of people, unlike the United States, which goes under the motto "after us, even a flood" "

Make no mistake ... The Chinese are thinking about the future of the Chinese and their next expeditions to the moon. They dropped them so that they would not interfere with them later. They don't give a damn about other nations.

[krot]

They don't give a damn about other nations.

How do you know? Your approach is racist ..

[Infinity]

Quote: Proton

Perhaps they did not want the applied technologies, even theoretically, to fall into other hands

I also doubt that this module will interfere with anyone in the foreseeable future. There will be more satellites and debris in near-earth orbit.
But there is no point in worrying about technology either. The problem is that when at least someone can get this module from orbit, then:
1) This someone will have much more advanced technology himself;
2) it won't happen soon ...
So apparently they really just don't want to clog.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Infinity

Quote: Proton

Perhaps they did not want the applied technologies, even theoretically, to fall into other hands

I also doubt that this module will interfere with anyone in the foreseeable future. There will be more satellites and debris in near-earth orbit.
But there is no point in worrying about technology either. The problem is that when at least someone can get this module from orbit, then:
1) This someone will have much more advanced technology himself;
2) it won't happen soon ...
So apparently they really just don't want to clog.

And most likely "something went wrong." But this "not so" was played up creatively.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

And most likely "something went wrong." But this "not so" was played up creatively.

I also have a suspicion that the Chinese presented need as a virtue.

[not main]

Quote: Infinity

So apparently they really just don't want to clog.

Maybe ... But if you take the Chinese and "do not litter", then this is not compatible! I don't know how it really is, but I have a version that there is a seismic survey of the moon's surface! The mass and speed of the vehicle are known, the rest is considered.

[halpat]

Quote: Proton

I agree!
Perhaps they did not want the applied technologies, even theoretically, to fall into other hands.

right now, the cowboys are organizing a mission to collect scrap metal.
but the Russians will have to save
quite an idea for a blockbuster :)

[Artavazdych]

They stole 40-50-year-old technology that only 2 countries in the world possess. And the Chinese are afraid that they themselves will be stolen? You also need to be able to steal, and this, again, can only be done by 2 countries in the world.
Doesn't fit!

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Artavazdych

They stole 40-50-year-old technology that only 2 countries in the world possess. And the Chinese are afraid that they themselves will be stolen? You also need to be able to steal, and this, again, can only be done by 2 countries in the world.
Doesn't fit!

What's wrong with you? Do you still consider China to be a technologically backward country? The Chinese have long been ahead, many technologies and projects have never dreamed of us. No money left.

[Artavazdych]

we never dreamed of many technologies and projects.

For example?
No, I don’t deny that China has taken the lead in the production of hardware components, machine tools, and industry in general. But the Chinese genius still hasn't given the world anything. Nothing. Not a single discovery, not a single great book, not a single masterpiece of music.
And I am sure - never will.

[gsev]

Quote: Artavazdych

But the Chinese genius still hasn't given the world anything. Nothing. Not a single discovery

In fact, the world received the main discoveries from the Chinese compass, gunpowder, silk, porcelain. Rockets in China have already fought off the Tatar-Mongol invasion. Go to the scientific section of Chinese information sites and you will see that about every week in the PRC, or they make a breakthrough achievement in electronics, nuclear power, deep sea research, biology or space exploration.

[Artavazdych]

How long can you run around with a compass and gunpowder?
Moreover, the Byzantines began to use the compass even earlier.

breakthrough achievement in electronics, nuclear power

A breakthrough achievement in electronics is the discovery of the LED and laser (made in the USSR). A breakthrough achievement in nuclear power is the discovery of the neutron in 1933 by Chadwick. The rest is no longer as breakthrough, so, little things like the Mössbauer effect.
And there is not a single Chinese in this row.
And on Chinese sites you can write a lot, like on that fence.
Do not confuse aliexpress trinkets with science

[gsev]

Quote: Artavazdych

How long can you run around with a compass and gunpowder?

Here is some news for you from the PRC: "The Chinese Science and Technology University announced today that a group of scientists, which included academician Pan Jianwei, has successfully created a prototype of the Jiuzhang quantum computer with 76 photons, which was able to take samples in just 200 seconds. This scientific breakthrough made China the second state in the world to achieve “quantum supremacy.” As you understand, quantum computers were created in order to break enemy ciphers in a split second, breaking which on classical computers would take the lifetime of the universe or create systems encryption, which would automatically diagnose an attempt to read a message by the enemy and which would be impossible to decrypt using classical mathematics and existing computers .. Moreover, 20 years ago, the Soviet mathematician Arnoldt theoretically proved that quantum computers cannot be created. similar technique.

[Artavazdych]

Dear, from everything that you wrote, I heard the familiar only "Gaussian bosons". What is nonsense. They are bosons and bosons that are Bose. Obey Bose-Einstein statistics. The rest are called fermions (obey Fermi distributions). Well, the particles of "Gaussons", sorry, no one has yet discovered))))
Never trust Chinese science. However, don't believe any.

[gsev]

Quote: Artavazdych

Never trust Chinese science. However, don't believe any.

Maybe this is a slightly clumsy translation of the Russian edition of the Zhenminjibao newspaper made by the Chinese Rogozin, who work exclusively in their specialty: journalism and intelligence and do not climb into the high spheres of design. In the end, the Chinese ran a standard test on their computer, which showed that it works 10 billion times faster than the computer from Google presented to the world last year.

[region58]

Quote: Artavazdych

"Gaussian bosons". What is nonsense.

Quote: gsev

clumsy translation

Exactly. Gaussian sampling of bosons is a more correct formulation. But what this means - you can't figure it out right away ... Even separately: bosons are more or less (although how to represent them, if in the ordinary human world there are not even concepts and terms to describe them - only formulas), Gaussian processes are even less "more less ", and all together - you have to run for half a liter ...

[gsev]

Quote: region58

Gaussian processes - even less "more or less", and all together - you have to run for half a liter ...

In the PRC, scientific work is underway to develop computers based on fundamentally new physical principles. In the beginning there was a big optimism that soon it would be possible to make the computer working orders of magnitude faster. Then the euphoria gave way to reflections. At present, an experimental installation has been created in the PRC, which can solve some types of problems with unattainable speeds for computers built on conventional principles. A normal scientific process is underway, a new technology is being tested. In the 1920s, it was also believed that genetics and nuclear physics were pure science with no practical significance. And today we see that biologists, who were the poorest students, graduate students and researchers, determine the influence of Russia in the modern world. For example, in Pushchino for the last 25 years, the conductors simply laughed at the poverty of graduate students from the Biological Institutes. They have long hoped for stoicism, asceticism and patriotism of Russian scientists. Gintsburg's colleagues want to have income, freedom of creativity and the ability to influence the vector of Russia's development. In the PRC, for the last 8 years, the government in the defense industry and science has given successful scientists the opportunity to start their own business based on their achievements or get access to more finance. It was since then that the military industry of the PRC began to show certain successes in the creation of modern types of weapons. In the early 1990s, Russian chemists faced the dilemma of making a million per day by pouring sulfuric acid in the right proportion throughout the day or getting a million in the form of a government order for research that would require the participation of the whole team for a whole year.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: gsev

Quote: Artavazdych

But the Chinese genius still hasn't given the world anything. Nothing. Not a single discovery

In fact, the world received the main discoveries from the Chinese compass, gunpowder, silk, porcelain. Rockets in China have already fought off the Tatar-Mongol invasion. Go to the scientific section of Chinese information sites and you will see that about every week in the PRC, or they make a breakthrough achievement in electronics, nuclear power, deep sea research, biology or space exploration.

Aha ... Only now they are best at achieving achievements in the field of invention of new diseases. Right now on TV they are buzzing about a new kind of crown, identified where?
In China, of course!

[gsev]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Aha ... Only now they are best at achieving achievements in the field of invention of new diseases.

If it was a Chinese physician who was able to determine that people were suffering from a new, previously unknown disease, then there are more professional physicians in the PRC. As a result, there are approximately 90 infected covidrm000-19 in China and 2 times more infected in the United States. Several more days passed. News came from the PRC that satellites were launched there to study gravitational waves. That is, in the PRC, space technology is not a tool for bragging, but a tool for systematic scientific research, including the fundamental sciences.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

If it was a Chinese physician who was able to determine that people were suffering from a new, previously unknown disease, then there are more professional physicians in the PRC.

Still, he would not have identified, since he himself derived this disease.

[gsev]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Still, he would not have identified, since he himself derived this disease.

How could a doctor at a district hospital be involved in other matters other than his main job? He would have been fired immediately. In China, this is strict. New chemicals produced by chemists over the past 50 years often increase the ability to mutate. In addition, the preservatives used mainly kill bacteria and promote the spread of viruses and, to some extent, fungi. For example, already in the late 1970s, it was noted that the number of fungi in the Volga River during the observation period increased by 2-3 times .. Therefore, it is not surprising that new diseases appear.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Only in the 21st century do they appear only in China, with the exception of swine flu. Coincidence?

There are no accidents in this world.
Every step leaves a mark.
And there is no miracle, and coincidences are extremely rare "(c)

"
Does the level of competence of a doctor in a district hospital allow one to identify, describe and classify a new disease? Doubtful ... Are they there, all of them are doctors of medical sciences?

[gsev]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

the level of competence of the doctor of the district hospital

Apparently the level of Chinese doctors allows it. Let me remind you of the history of the discovery of a new disease.
Li Wenliang was born on October 12, 1986 in Beizhen County. Graduated from Wuhan University [en] in 2011 with a degree in ophthalmology. He worked in Xiamen for three years, then returned to Wuhan as an ophthalmologist at the central hospital. Member of the Chinese Communist Party.


On December 30, 2019, Li Wenliang was the first to report a new virus similar to the SARS virus in a WeChat conversation with graduates of the Wuhan University School of Medicine, after which he was summoned to the police and strictly warned against spreading rumors.

[bistrov.]

Quote: gsev

silk, porcelain.

Quote: gsev

major discoveries

The world cannot live without silk and porcelain? There are wonderful substitutes: cotton and faience. Faience, by the way, was invented by Lomonosov. And in Russia, since ancient times, they used hemp, flax, and dishes were made of ordinary clay. No silk can be compared with hemp in strength and durability, and you don't really look like silk in our climate.

[gsev]

Quote: bistrov.

And in Russia, since ancient times, they used hemp, flax, and dishes were made from ordinary clay.

Archaeological finds indicate that in Russia the production of pottery appeared, lived for some time and then fell into decay and possibly perished. It is believed that pottery came to Russia from neighbors and was supported not by Russians, but by foreigners. Even now the Verbilkovsky and Likino-Dulevsky dish factories, which survived the 1917 revolution, are in deep decline. For example, in Verbilki, 2 times fewer people work in the production of dishes now than in the 19th century.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

For example, in Verbilki, 2 times fewer people work in the production of dishes now than in the 19th century.

Or maybe the matter is in the mechanization of labor?

[gsev]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Or maybe the matter is in the mechanization of labor?

In the 19th century, most of the population could not afford such dishes. The technology hasn't changed much. After 1991, many private enterprises appeared, where the equipment included a homemade potter's wheel and a kiln for firing. From the purchased equipment there were only an electric motor, ball bearings, a thermostat with a thermocouple and a frequency converter or variator. And they have been successfully competing with old Soviet factories for 10 years.

[gsev]

Quote: bistrov.

Faience, by the way, was invented by Lomonosov.

In Russia, the production of majolica and faience began at least 200 years later than in Europe and about 900 years later than in China. Historically, there are reports of the Jesuits describing the elements of the Chinese porcelain technology, which spread in Europe by 1735. The technology described in them was incomplete and required additional scientific research. In Russia, it was adapted for Russian raw materials around 1940 at the Imperial Manufactory.

[bistrov.]

Quote: gsev

200 years later than Europe

And then you got out with your "Europa", you live in "Square", admit it?

[bistrov.]

Quote: gsev

in 1940 at the Imperial Manufactory.

In 1940, by the way, there was Soviet power, what "imperial manufactories"? What are you weaving?

[gsev]

Quote: bistrov.

In 1940, by the way,

It was sealed in 1740. It is believed that at the A.F. Grebenshchikov since 1723 began to produce smoking pipes from majolica, then tiles. And from 1739 or 1940 dishes. The son of the founder of the manufactory I.A. Grebenshchikov, like in 1747, was able to create a recipe and technology that made it possible to create porcelain dishes, but did not receive permission for its production. Its quality corresponded to majolica, faience or even hard porcelain. In general, in Russia, not only Chinese but even European porcelain were very expensive and only the first persons of the state could afford such dishes. Also developing technologies and recipes brought from Europe by Gunger, his apprentice Vinogradov was able to obtain acceptable methods and recipes for obtaining porcelain in 1746, which brought Vinogradov neither respect nor prosperity in his lifetime, and he died of hunger, despair and overwork at 38 years old. Real large faience factories in Russia appeared only in the 19th century in Kiev and Konakovo.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Artavazdych

For example?

https://youtu.be/ysYo14KVRHE

Quote: Artavazdych

But the Chinese genius still hasn't given the world anything. Nothing.

Have you been banned on Ali? So China has already filled up the whole world with its goods ..
Compose music and write smart books .. Where will China be in 20 years and where will we be?

[Artavazdych]

What are you talking about? These are trinkets!
I'm talking about science.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Artavazdych

What are you talking about? These are trinkets!
I'm talking about science.

What science, maybe it's enough to be in the clouds?
We can no longer compete in space with other leading powers in this area. The President of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Sergeev summed up such a sad conclusion to those present at the meeting of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science on Wednesday.
Our lag has a numerical indicator - space science is funded 60 (!) Less than NASA scientific projects. Projects in other areas of science are also constantly underfunded - in particular, the deadlines for the delivery of advanced accelerators of the megascience level are constantly being shifted to the right. “What are they bringing us to? - asked Sergeev. - Maybe we should completely abandon space? It sounds almost apocalyptic, but at the same time, alas, absolutely real.
The first "requiem" for Russian science was performed by Vyacheslav Nikonov, Chairman of the Committee on Education and Science, who opened the meeting. He stated that, judging only by the number of scientists, Russia has long ceased to be a leader in the scientific world. “Today there are six times more researchers in China than in Russia, in the United States - twice! Although once we had much more of them, "Nikonov noted. Annually, only 1 percent of our graduates go to science ...

[Artavazdych]

Well, the fact that you measure indicators in science in dollars or the number of graduates going into science only says that you have nothing to do with science. I don’t have either, but once I did.
It's rubbish, it's true. But it's everywhere, believe me. Moreover, for 30 years already. And in fundamental science and all 60.

[region58]

Quote: Artavazdych

But it's everywhere, believe me.

And the reasons for this? Has the direction of human development changed? Or was development itself slowed down? "Buzovs" and "Boni" won?

[Artavazdych]

Nobody knows. But there are versions. I like two. The human mind has approached its border of the comprehensible. And the second is spiritual impoverishment.

[region58]

Quote: Artavazdych

But there are versions.

About spiritual scarcity, too, thoughts flicker ... Somewhere people-people have turned in the wrong place ... Or maybe they just haven't matured yet ... I really want to be wrong, after all, my bell is tiddly ...
PS Someone has already slapped you a minus out of the blue. Let's fix ...

[Artavazdych]

... Somewhere people-people turned the wrong way ...

Oh, not there
Thanks for the plus. There are three Azerbaijani heroes here, they don't like my nickname)))

[gsev]

Quote: Artavazdych

Well, the fact that you measure indicators in science in dollars or the number of graduates going into science,

Money is a measure of labor and material values.

Quote: ROSS_51

“Today there are six times more researchers in China than in Russia, in the United States - twice! Although once we had much more of them, ”Nikonov noted. Only 1 percent of our graduates go to science every year ...

In terms of the military, we can say that the PRC has a sixfold superiority in people, and 99% of our scientific forces have deserted.

Quote: ROSS_51

Our lag has a numerical indicator - space science is funded 60 (!) Less than NASA scientific projects.

That is, the United States has a 60-fold superiority in technology.
In such conditions, it is very problematic to withstand scientific competition with the United States and China. On the other hand, the Potanins and Abramovichs will give a head start in personal income to any rich people in the PRC and in the USA.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: svp67

decided to litter the moon itself.

We decided to stake out the moon itself.

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

Quote: svp67

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

In any case, staying for some time in a circumlunar orbit, the device would sooner or later crash into our natural satellite. The attraction, though small, lunar, remains an attraction.

[Infinity]

Yes, but it's not about attraction.
In order for the apparatus to leave orbit and crash, it needs to lose its mechanical energy (more precisely, full mechanical energy, this is the sum of kinetic and potential, their value constantly changes if the eccentricity of the orbit is not equal to 0 (i.e., an ideal circle), but the sum is always equal if there are no influences of other forces). Otherwise, it will be in orbit for eternity spinning (deduction from the law of conservation of energy). Attraction is needed only for the formation of a circular orbit, without it there would be a rectilinear motion. And in order to lose energy, it must either slow down itself (ie, give out an impulse directly in front of itself) or slow down on the environment (the atmosphere, which the Moon does not have. More precisely, there is an extremely rarefied exosphere, but in practice its density is not taken into account, i.e. taken as a vacuum). In such orbits, this probe will spin for a very long time. Therefore, by the way, satellites fly off quickly from low near-earth orbits, since the medium is still denser. But on high they can stay much longer.

[ccsr]

Quote: Infinity

In such orbits, this probe will spin for a very long time. Therefore, by the way, satellites fly off quickly from low near-earth orbits, since the medium is still denser. But on high they can stay much longer.

Everything seems to be correct, only you forget that there is no atmosphere on the Moon and it is constantly bombarded by meteorites, which also knock out the lunar soil, which sometimes even reaches the Earth. Therefore, purely theoretically, the module should have been rotating for a long time, but how it would actually be, no one can predict.
I suspect that the impact on the lunar surface was planned in advance, and the remaining Chinese seismic sensors recorded this impact in order to study the passage of shock waves on this celestial body, and reported this to Earth.

[Artavazdych]

The device could not initially set the required energy for the lunar cosmic speed. And then he just hit a parabola or something like that.

[astepanov]

Quote: Insurgent

staying for some time in a circumlunar orbit, the apparatus would sooner or later crash into our natural satellite. The attraction, although small, lunar, remains an attraction.

So what? Do you think this attraction will necessarily lead to the fall of the satellite? Aren't you afraid that for the same reason the Earth will fall on the Sun, the Moon - on the Earth?
The fall of the Earth satellites is mainly associated with the residual influence of the Earth's atmosphere. And the moon has no atmosphere.

[gsev]

Quote: Insurgent

staying for some time in a circumlunar orbit, the apparatus would sooner or later crash into our natural satellite.

This time is comparable to the time of the fall of the Moon to Earth.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: svp67

explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

It is still impossible to do without clogging the Moon and it is not dangerous for future expeditions. But finding debris in orbit creates some inconvenience for them.

[Civil]

And where are Rogozin's laughs about the Chinese lunar program? About a Chinese trampoline?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Civil

And where are Rogozin's laughs about the Chinese lunar program? About a Chinese trampoline?

Taunts about the trampoline no longer bring those (!) Dividends (plus signs) to comrades!

[Svetlana]

future archaeologists will be happy to examine the fragments left on the surface from the past, but at the same time they will curse their ancestors if such a gift hits their vessel in orbit.
...
Correctly done.

[Borz]

The main thing is that the Ukropatriots do not get there ... They will dirtied the Earth satellite, as they dirtied their derzhava.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Borz

The main thing is that the Ukropatriots do not get there ... They will dirtied the Earth satellite, as they dirtied their derzhava.

In addition to the trampoline, another meme about crap Ukrainians .. although the theme is about a moonstone in the Chinese version ...

[Borz]

So this is a common name, the personification of mediocrity and chaos. By the way, as a comparison.
And the Chinese, well, the Chinese, well done. This (the successful stage of the lunar program) is a colossal step forward for them, especially in terms of image.

[donavi49]

Why not, they banged him in an approximately certain safe area.

Without it, it would hang out there (and there is almost no fuel correction), there are no instruments, a repeater. Well, just space trash as it is. And then it would have gone uncontrollably out of orbit. And in general, an unguided vehicle in orbit, where there is no way to track it online, as on the ground, is very, very bad.

[YOUR]

We decided to see what would happen if we boom in a big way.

[Smirnoff]

The title of the article is not very apt. At first I thought about the accident

[for]

Quote: Smirnoff

The title of the article is not very apt.

The title is a lure to attract more readers.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: svp67

explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

Debris on the surface does not bother anyone, unlike debris in orbit

[Pandiurin]

Quote: svp67

explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit

Yeah, we decided to litter the moon itself ...

There were two possible options
- to leave a non-working piece of iron in moon orbit. Which theoretically could collide with something or be a factor that must be taken into account in subsequent missions.
- do as they did, smash against the surface of the moon. Obviously, the debris on the Moon will not disturb anyone, the desert surface is covered with dust, with craters from meteorites.

The second option is obviously better. Again, PR wise leadership of the CCP.

[LVV]

Or maybe it was easier to blow it up?

[Nasrat]

Quote: LVV

Or maybe it was easier to blow it up?

together with the moon ...

[vadimtt]

Correctly! And a cloud of debris will spread evenly along unpredictable orbits and no one else will get to the moon

[RUSS]

Quote: LVV

Or maybe it was easier to blow it up?

Shoot a blaster from the ground))

[gsev]

Quote: LVV

Or maybe it was easier to blow it up?

So that instead of one large body available for observation by radars, hundreds of small, invisible but equally dangerous ones flew around the moon?

[rocket757]

In general, they follow the path beaten by others.
This does not attract progress, just a repetition of the past.
So this is normal, especially for them, but for humanity it is a reminder that we have greatly slowed down in our development.
Will there be a leap into the future, who will make it, when ... somehow everything is very vague !!!

[Maalkavianin]

The jerk will be ... after the next World War. And before that, all progress will go to gadgets.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Malkavianin

The jerk will be ... after the next World War. And before that, all progress will go to gadgets.

plus many times.

only war determines the development of man and mankind! Sadly, but this is a fact confirmed by human evolution. If you want a leap in progress - get ready for war!

[Cosm22]

Repetition of the past?
Can't you specify what you have passed?
Who did something like this and when?
Who did the automatic docking in lunar orbit? When?
Something similar was done only by the United States, but in a larger and predominantly manned version.
If we mean an allusion to the Soviet projects "Luna", then in terms of the complexity of the mission they did not stand next to the Chinese one.
And what kind of news feed - "smashed"?
We go to the resource tass.ru, read: "The take-off module of the Chinese mission" Chang'e-5 "landed on the surface of the moon for the second time. The Chinese National Space Corporation (CNSA) writes about this on its website.
At 01:59 Moscow time, the take-off module was taken out of orbit, under the control of the ground control group, it landed successfully. The device was re-planted on the moon so that it does not turn into space debris and does not interfere with the next stations that will explore the Earth satellite. "

[rocket757]

So, for any modern achievement, you can safely write that all this became possible due to the fact that technologies, in the fifty years that have passed since a similar operation carried out in the USSR, have moved FORWARD !!!
Everything, further writing, no need to explain .... for someone who understands and so EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.
By the way, he did not belittle the achievements of China at all !!! they are just developing ...

[Cosm22]

I agree.
But for some reason this does not prevent us from being proud of the successes of more than half a century ago in Soviet cosmonautics, often passing them off as our own. And we immediately forget about fifty dollars.
As for China, we will, of course, wait for the end of the mission. But its success has already been marked. An outstanding achievement of the Chinese comrades.

[rocket757]

I don’t forget ... even if I took part from the edge.
That is why I can imagine how it was then and how it is possible to realize all this now.
All the same, the impression is that now everything is repeating itself, but on other technological possibilities.

[military_cat]

Quote: rocket757

This does not attract progress, just a repetition of the past.

Docking in the orbit of the Moon is still not a very frequent thing.

[rocket757]

New technology, new technological solutions, achievements, making a fairy tale come true ... this is normal now.

[boris epstein]

"The service module remaining in orbit is to launch to Earth on December 12 and, having reached a distance of 5 thousand kilometers from the planet, drop a capsule with soil, which is to land on December 16 in one of the regions of inner Mongolia."
The distance between the Earth and the Moon is 384400 km .. 5000 km is from the Moon or from the Earth already? Where and how to drop the capsule from a height of 5000 KILOMETERS?
To drop the capsule from a height of 5000 METERS from the surface of the Earth, yes, really

[Roman070280]

5000 km is from the Moon or from the Earth already?

the answer is in the question itself:

start to Earth on December 12 and reaching a distance of 5 thousand kilometers from the planet

To drop the capsule from a height of 5000 METERS from the surface of the Earth, yes, really

It is more difficult to drop from such a height .. because it will burn out earlier in the atmosphere together in the module .. The module has a decent speed!


It is difficult to say how it was conceived .. Maybe the capsule is heat-resistant (although the soil will still melt inside), maybe as a result of separation along the tangent it will enter the atmosphere, + parachute ..
Although to get exactly to Mongolia without adjusting the engines .. I don't know ..))

[boris epstein]

And to drop the capsule, as stated in the article with 5000 KILOMETERS from the surface of the Earth? "... the service module should start to Earth on December 12 and, having reached a distance of 5 thousand kilometers from the planet, drop a capsule with soil." That is, the MODULE will drop a capsule of 5000 KILOMETERS, because the capsule will not fall into the Earth's magnetic field, but will, at best, become another artificial Earth satellite. And at worst, it will just drift in space. And from a height of 5000 meters, Soviet satellites at one time successfully dropped containers with footage.

[ccsr]

Quote: Boris Epstein

And from a height of 5000 meters, Soviet satellites at one time successfully dropped containers with footage.

Don't be fake - the containers were dropped from low orbits, and there were several of them on the reconnaissance satellite:
https://topwar.ru/37962-kosmicheskie-razvedchikisovetskie-i-rossiyskie-sputniki-shpiony.html

[Infinity]

Yes, it is in space that the capsule will be shot.

Quote: Roman070280

Can the capsule is heat resistant

Yes, it was created on the basis of a capsule piloted by the Shenzhou spacecraft.
Capsule for Chang'e-5T1, a test mission that preceded Chang'e-5:

Quote: Roman070280

Although to get exactly to Mongolia without adjusting the engines .. I don't know ..))

Well, why not
The Japanese recently delivered the soil of the asteroid (162173) to Ryugu with the help of the Hayabusa-2 AMS. The capsule landed in the area of ​​the Woomera test site in southern Australia, as planned, where it was found.

[askort154]

Takeoff module "Chang'e-5" smashed on the surface of the moon

The outraged sleepwalkers have filed a complaint against the Chinese with the Galaxy Judicial Organization.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Bravo Chinese comrades! Step by step go in the direction of the landing of the Chinese astronaut on the moon! Unfortunately, the lack of interest in space exploration in Russia makes us follow and "rejoice" in the successes of competitors.

[PKsh]

They decided to break it up so that there was no evidence that they were not on the moon, but simply a rocket was sent without a lander

[Director]

The decision to eliminate the take-off module in the Chinese National Space Corporation (CNSA) was explained by the desire to "not litter" the lunar orbit for further lunar missions.

The Chinese are always on their own, otmazatsya ..))) Well, all the same, great!
I envy them .. With their system (the People's Republic) they have the opportunity to concentrate resources on one or another national project (planned economy!) .. Nobody can deny the success of China.! And we in Russia regret all our oligarchs, we feed them and are afraid to touch them .. They would shoot about ten and the money would be found both for the Moon and Mars and in retirement .. This is how we live our bread

[yfast]

Moved the moon.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Proton

I agree!
Perhaps they did not want the applied technologies, even theoretically, to fall into other hands.

Into the hands of aliens.

[Private SA]

Quote: Cosm22

An outstanding achievement of the Chinese comrades.

Infection of the lunar surface "Covid-19". There was not enough land. Next
devices with the delivery of lunar soil - find out how long the virus lives
in a practical vacuum, on solar ultraviolet radiation on the surface
regolith.

[gsev]

Quote: Private SA

Infection of the lunar surface "Covid-19". There was not enough land.

The surface of the moon and the Chinese apparatus itself during landing were heated to a temperature of about 100 degrees. If the viruses were there, ultraviolet light, temperature and jets of jet thrust when lifting the device from the moon should kill them.

[for]

Dropped straight to my site. One of these days I will fly to collect metal for delivery, if it does not fly away to the site with rogozin in the canopy.

[kig]

These are the indigenous people, who are green in color, discovered that something was stolen from them, and decided to figure out how the Chinese managed it. Right now, they will disassemble it (module) into molecules, copy it, and throw it back. A copy enlarged many times. Cho will ...

[georggy]

Beautiful fairy tale

[Lord]

That would be proof that they were not there like the Yankees

[Captain45]

The service module remaining in orbit should launch to Earth on December 12 and, having reached a distance of 5 thousand kilometers from the planet, drop a capsule with soil, which on December 16 is to land in one of the regions of inner Mongolia.(C)
It is known that the distance from the Moon to the Earth is 384000 km. The question is how, using which propulsion device, the capsule with the soil will independently move 379000 km. What kind of catapult slingshot they have there ?
Another journalist, once again, without really understanding it, gave out another nonsense ?

[1536]

Quote: krot

They don't give a damn about other nations.

How do you know? Your approach is racist ..

Let's imagine that in communist (!) China they really think about people. Not about a mythical people, supposedly consisting of different races, each of which is in itself, but about ordinary people, citizens of the same China, who all go forward together. Naturally, at the same time in China they think about those people who want to explore Space, fly to the Moon, to Mars, and settle these planets in the future. This all fits, and fits very well, within the framework of the communist ideology, which once allowed the former Soviet people to organize and carry out the first space flight for the first time, to send automatic stations to the Moon, to create Lunokhovers.
But we are not "racists", we are ready to think first of all, for example, about the American people, who do not like so much that someone is more exceptional than themselves, and therefore there is no place for such on Earth. In the American way, it turns out that there is no place for others in Space either ...
China's communist approach to space exploration, of course, contradicts the views that if "there is even a flood after you", then do this "flood", if you like it so much, no matter what nation you belong to, just fill your belly and take a ride with the breeze, go into space, go to the nearest bowling alley. There is one more "wonderful" principle: "the butter is eaten - the day is over", which, in my opinion, is followed by many today. With such slogans, space, alas, is not mastered. And the spirit is not enough for its predatory plundering, because "thoughts about the American people" are included.

[Selevc]

Quote: 1536

But we are not "racists", we are ready to think first of all, for example, about the American people,

Anyone who lived under the USSR should remember how the union treated various foreign "class brothers" ... For the same American blacks - but they were simply "licked" at all government levels !!! And what did these American "friends of the USSR" potential socialists and communists children of the 60s and 80s give us ??? Yes, they are now in adulthood simply hate everything former Soviet and in every possible way try to shit and trample it !!! Starting with Obama and ending with the last former black "fighter" !!!

Therefore, I believe that in the USSR they treated all kind of sympathetic foreigners absolutely incorrectly - as you know, they still have to earn the right to wear this high-profile title, and in our country they wrote down just anyone ...

[xomaNN]

"Kitaykosmos", unlike "Roskosmos", is not engaged in bullshit. Got to Mars!

[anclevalico]

I should have planted. And then, suddenly on the moon his "Martian" will appear, where will he get the transmitter?