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Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

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Poland is currently one of the central pillars of Russophobia in Eastern Europe. Hatred of Russia and everything that is Russian, and regardless of the form of government in our country and the political forces in power, is cultivated in Poland at the state level.


Once a pro-Russian neighbor


The Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, post-Soviet Russia alike evoke only negative emotions from the Polish authorities and a very significant part of the country's population. This is explained by two main factors - complex history relations between Russia and Poland and the influence of external forces, skillfully playing on historical contradictions.

If we delve into history for several centuries, we will see - Poland (Rzeczpospolita) was one of the key enemies of Russia in the west, for a long time controlled a significant part of the East Slavic (Russian) lands, was directed and actively supported by the Vatican. Then the weakening of the Commonwealth led to its division between Prussia, Austria and Russia. And for almost a century and a half, a significant part of Poland, including Warsaw, was part of the Russian Empire. For the Poles, this was a tremendous national humiliation, with which they tried to fight throughout these one and a half centuries.

The hatred of the Poles for Russia was actively fueled from outside - by the Vatican, France, England, Prussia, Austria. And now it is by the United States. The West has used the complex relationship between Poland and Russia to turn Poland into its main outpost in the East: a country of millions of people is ideally suited for this role.

At the same time, one should not forget about the significant contribution of ethnic Poles to the history of the Russian state. The Polish people gave Russia many outstanding political and military figures, scientists, representatives of culture and art, just honest and conscientious workers and brave warriors. Such names as Konstantin Rokossovsky, Nikolai Przhevalsky, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Sigismund Levanevsky, Felix Dzerzhinsky and many others have forever entered the history of our country. All these people, each in their own way, contributed to the strengthening and development of Russia.

Reformatting potential


And against this background, one cannot but think about whether a full-fledged friendship between the two countries is possible? Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia ...

In fact, there are no particular obstacles to this friendship. Much more trouble than Russia, Poland and the Poles brought Germany or Austria. But this does not prevent modern Warsaw from actively interacting with them.


Poland is now completely in the orbit of Western influence.

With Germany, Poland, in general, is a military-political ally within NATO, although the Germans have historically brought a lot of harm to the Polish people. It's all about the official ideological and informational policy of Warsaw, about the unceasing informational influence of the West on Polish society.

But, unfortunately, Russia has neither the strength nor the ability to resist this influence. A rare example of successful, although not without problems, cooperation between the two countries was the post-war period, when the Polish People's Republic was part of the sphere of Soviet influence. But even then, anti-Soviet and anti-Russian sentiments did not subside within Polish society.

Now the reformatting of relations between the two countries is possible only under the conditions of a radical transformation of the entire world political system, of all political alignments existing in the world (including Europe).

As long as Poland is a NATO member, an ally of the United States and Great Britain, one cannot count on its friendship.

The West, in turn, will try to do everything possible not to lose such a valuable state for it as Poland, from the orbit of its influence.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 05
    +8
    As long as Poland is a NATO member, an ally of the United States and Great Britain, one cannot count on its friendship.

    Poland, or any other country ... can be a friend and a partner. It all depends on the benefits .. Friendship between countries is built purely on the calculation and those who get something in return are friends. What can the Russian Federation now offer Poland .. or any other country? We don't take oil and gas into account, there are enough offers on the market, and even if ours is a little cheaper, the Poles will be guided by the country that will give it more.
    Recently, the USA imposed sanctions on the Bauman Moscow State Technical University and now the university has huge problems .. Microsoft has stopped supporting its product ..
    We are a completely dependent country and few people are interested in. The results of the so-called 30-year-old democracy, but remember how many "friends" the USSR had .. half of the World ..
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 December 2020 15: 15
      -9
      Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

      Can! Or buy their elite or take Warsaw with a powerful military strike through Belarus.
      But we have no money for this, as well as influence on Western countries so that they silently swallow the attack.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 19
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

        Can! Or buy their elite or take Warsaw with a powerful military strike through Belarus.
        But we have no money for this, as well as influence on Western countries so that they silently swallow the attack.

        Suppose that they "took" Poland with a swift military blow ... and did not even spend money on the elite ... they put their own ... What's next? The bulk of the Poles will be extremely dissatisfied with this and the mood will inflame .. as a result, a riot and revolution .. This is not an option.
        But we have no money for this

        The state has money, only the state should be a state, not an LLC ..

        In order for the countries to be "friends" with us, we need an idea that we are ready to offer to the world, as well as an example of its successful implementation for the population of our own country. hi
        1. Killemall
          Killemall 11 December 2020 15: 48
          0
          You, dear, treat Poland as a full-fledged state. This is where the mistake lies ... Poland is a project, just a Russophobic project, perfectly aware of all its Russophobic semantic content, and perfectly aware that it has no other purpose. Therefore, there can be no "friendly Poland", due to the fact that this is followed by an existential crisis and, as a consequence, the collapse of the project.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 54
            +7
            Quote: KilleMall
            You, dear, treat Poland as a full-fledged state. This is where the mistake lies ... Poland is a project, just a Russophobic project, perfectly aware of all its Russophobic semantic content, and perfectly aware that it has no other purpose. Therefore, there can be no "friendly Poland", due to the fact that this is followed by an existential crisis and, as a consequence, the collapse of the project.

            Any state is, first of all, people. And in the case of Poland 38 ml. person. And the project is being created for the idea, the United States offers the Poles an idea that is flawed of course, but the whole world is following this idea ... including Russia. It turns out that Russia is the same project as Poland .. and if you look closely, it is also Russophobic .. Russians are dying out ..
            1. Killemall
              Killemall 11 December 2020 16: 05
              -1
              no, of course I disagree on the part of Russia. Yes, the country is now in extremely cramped conditions, there is practically no room for external maneuver (there are no allies at all), there are no funds and opportunities on the internal track (it is very difficult to balance in a developing crisis). but I believe that what is being done now is almost free of critical errors.
              1. Vladimir247
                Vladimir247 11 December 2020 16: 16
                -5
                ... now being done ...
                --------,
                The result of "doing" is so important. And he is like this: "... we have neither the strength nor the capabilities."
                And, the question is: who brought us to this state, if not Putin for 20 years in power? The crisis? Everywhere people rule, and we have a crisis? In their heads
                ...that's for sure.
                Without the restoration of the legal authorities in the country, namely the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, which was shot in 1993, we cannot get out of the pit. Soon they will start to bury it, not for this they have settled in power to bring prosperity to the country.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 11 December 2020 18: 54
                  +2
                  Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?
                  Of course it can! As simple as shelling pears, all you need to do is:
                  - the majority of Poles become Russophobes from Russophiles;
                  - for the majority of Poles to replace the pro-Western-pro-American authorities with
                  pro-Russian politicians;
                  - the newly elected authorities to pursue a policy friendly to Russia.
                  As you can see, nothing no complicated! laughing laughing laughing
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 11 December 2020 16: 29
                -3
                Quote: KilleMall
                no, of course I disagree on the part of Russia. yes, the country is now in extremely cramped conditions

                And who constrained her? Aren't they the ones who now "rule" the country? Don't they take trillions of dollars of money offshore? Are they not keeping our reserves in US banks instead of developing their own economy? Were they not saddled and usurped power and were not letting anyone in on a cannon shot? So who is embarrassing Russia? Poland, USA or Gauleiters?
                but I believe that what is being done now is almost free of critical errors.

                There are continuous mistakes at the helm ..
                1. Killemall
                  Killemall 11 December 2020 17: 11
                  -4
                  And who constrained her?

                  Don't they take trillions of dollars of money offshore?

                  Here ... I see a victim of anal propaganda ... or a staunch supporter of it.
                  and even realizing all the senselessness, I will still answer you ..
                  They were embarrassed by those who decided that with the help of economic pressure on the country, and, as a result, on citizens (you yourself claim that the country is people) you can make them hate the authorities, raise a protest, put pots on people's heads, make people jump in a crowd and burn tires ... make people lose their brains and teach them how to destroy their own country. Hope it doesn't work.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 25
                    +6
                    Quote: KilleMall
                    Here ... I see a victim of anal propaganda ..

                    And I see a person in whose head Solovyov settled in, but Brilev is already registered there .. both of them are ardent patriots .. only for some reason one is English, the other is Italian wassat
                    1. Killemall
                      Killemall 12 December 2020 08: 19
                      -2
                      I was very pleased that you do not distance yourself from the collaborator, and in fact position yourself as a staunch enemy of Russia. As for me, you are mistaken ... and Solovyov, and Popov, and Skobeeva I consider cheap propogation ... distas ... Sergey Mikheev, for example, is closer to me in terms of views.
              3. Overlock
                Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 17
                +34
                Quote: KilleMall
                but I think, what is being done is almost devoid of critical errors.

                Really? So why
                Quote: KilleMall
                .... (no allies from the word at all) ...

                God be with Poland and the Czech Republic! But did it happen with Ukraine and Belarus, Kahastan and Azerbaijan? - No mistakes? So there is no positive result.
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 11 December 2020 16: 05
              +4
              Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia ...
              In fact, there are no particular obstacles to this friendship.

              How is it not ?! And the "Katyn case", fabricated under Gorbachev by the team of AN Yakovlev, about the alleged execution of Polish officers by units of the NK VD, but in fact by the Germans!

              Enough of the leadership of the Russian Federation being irresponsible to their people to continue playing giveaway with Poland on the Katyn affair! Namely.

              The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg (ECHR) examined the complaint No. 29520/09 “Volk-Ezerskaya and Others v. Russia”. Relatives of Polish officers who were allegedly shot in the Katyn forest in 1940 filed a complaint against Russia.
              On June 18, 2010, Viktor Ilyukhin, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Security Committee, demanded a parliamentary investigation into the authenticity of the Katyn documents found in "closed package No. 1" allegedly kept in the top secret archive of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
              For this Ilyukhin had all the documentary grounds in the form of fake drafts of Katyn documents, top-secret folder No. 29 with fake documents from 1940, fake seals and stamps. Ilyukhin demonstrated all this to the deputies.
              It turned out that the documents were falsified by a group of specialists under the leadership of A. N. Yakovlev during "perestroika" at the whim of Gorbachev's "new thinking".
              However, the deputies of the State Duma adopted a previously adopted falsified version of the Katyn case.

              The topic of the "Katyn case" came to light because of the Poles' complaint against Russia to the ECHR, which was filed by relatives of Polish officers who were allegedly shot in the Katyn forest in 1940.
              It must be remembered that the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the ECHR.
              As a result, the State Duma's response to Katyn impressed the judges of the ECHR so much that they included it in the text of their Decree of April 16, 2012 and, without evidence, acknowledged the responsibility for the shooting of Polish officers in 1940 in the pre-war Soviet leadership.
              And as a result, the POSITIVE number of Poles shot in Katyn was overestimated 12 times - from 1 803 to 21 857 with 22 bodies of identified Poles!

              Victor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn !. Feb 3 2014
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 11 December 2020 16: 07
                +5
                In the Tver region, 30 kilometers from Tver, there is a memorial complex "Mednoe". Visitors to Mednoye are assured that the remains of more than six thousand Polish prisoners of war who were shot by the Soviet authorities in the spring of 1940 in Kalinin are buried in this place. There is a similar memorial in the Smolensk region (Katyn).

                There were NO mass executions of Poles in 1940 by the authorities of the USSR.
                In the Smolensk region in the fall of 1941, Polish prisoners of war were shot in the Katyn forest by Nazi invaders.

                In the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in wounded medical battalions, were also buried there. And in the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the Red Army soldiers who died in battles, whose memory has not yet been immortalized. In 2006, representatives of the “Union of Soviet Officers” erected a marble slab on the territory of the Mednovsky Memorial in memory of the Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army who fell in battle. But soon the stove mysteriously disappeared.

                Myths of Copper. • 25 jul. 2015
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 22
                +33
                Quote: Tatiana
                Enough of the leadership of the Russian Federation being irresponsible to their people to continue playing giveaway with Poland on the Katyn affair! Namely.

                "There can be no justification for these crimes, our country has given a clear political, legal, moral assessment of the atrocities of the totalitarian regime ... And such an assessment is not subject to any revisions" - V. Putin, 2010. From a speech at the Katyn memorial p. Tusk
              3. Revolver
                Revolver 12 December 2020 00: 53
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                A "Katyn case" fabricated under Gorbachev by the team of A.N. Yakovlev

                Even if we assume that the really "bloody hell" shot the Poles in Katyn, an action of this size could not pass by Stalin, an ethnic Georgian, and begin without his approval. The NKVD was then headed by Beria, another Georgian. The question arises, why does Poland make a claim against Russia, and not Georgia, the same heiress of the USSR in relation to persons of Georgian nationality, as Russia does in relation to Russians? Who did not understand, the question is rhetorical.

                And one more question, which, unlike the previous one, I would like to get an answer to. The holes in the skulls corresponded to the caliber 9mm, standard German, not 7,62 standard Soviet. Why did the firing squad use German weapons? Or back in 1940 (according to the official legend of the Katyn executions), they expected the Germans to seize the Smolensk region, and wanted to set them up in such a Jesuit way? Those who in 1940 did not believe that the war, if it began, would be little blood on foreign territory, and openly expressed this opinion, it was the NKVD organs that were engaged in, up to a caliber of 7,62 in the back of the head. But if the Germans were shot, then everything fits together.
            3. Hagen
              Hagen 11 December 2020 17: 23
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              Any state is, first of all, people.

              That's absolutely right !!! Take you, for example, what kind of state can you build with you, if you want to smear your state with manure in every line ?!
              1. Salty
                Salty 11 December 2020 18: 06
                -1
                Quote: Hagen
                you want to smear your state with manure in each line

                This is his job. T.N. "Svarog" - local, famous, well fed (see shoulder straps) extremely anti-Russian ... troll wink laughing
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 28
                -1
                Quote: Hagen
                Quote: Svarog
                Any state is, first of all, people.

                That's absolutely right !!! Take you, for example, what kind of state can you build with you, if you want to smear your state with manure in every line ?!

                Or are you a bighead who, violating all the rules of the site, created a bunch of nicknames and is working hard? How much penny even get paid?
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 11 December 2020 19: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Svarog
                  How much penny even get paid?

                  You are here for a penny. I'm out of sports passion laughing , free of charge, i.e. for nothing.
                  And I have only one nickname, and I'm not a head. In short, where you do not poke - and all your finger into the sky. It's not destiny for you to keep pace with the truth wassat
                  1. Vladimir247
                    Vladimir247 12 December 2020 01: 58
                    +2
                    Out of sports passion ...
                    ---------
                    Shit on your homeland out of sports excitement? This is cool ... you are somehow especially gifted ... bully
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 12 December 2020 09: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Vladimir247
                      Shit on your homeland out of sports excitement?

                      You, dear, for a start, at least one of my sentences, in which I shit on my homeland, give. You write without knowing anything. Show arguments for the charge, gifted fighter ...
                      1. Vladimir247
                        Vladimir247 12 December 2020 12: 34
                        0
                        "Argumentiki" to you? So they are in each of your posts. laughing
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 12 December 2020 14: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir247
                        So they are in each of your posts.

                        Show me ... Show me what you don't agree with ..
                      3. Vladimir247
                        Vladimir247 12 December 2020 15: 53
                        +1
                        Do you want to play the fool? Support a regime that is driving the country into the abyss, what is it? This is - to shit on their homeland. Fatherland and
                        His Excellency is different things ... bully
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 12 December 2020 17: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Vladimir247
                        Support a regime that is driving the country into the abyss, what is it? This is - to shit on their homeland

                        Well, this is your personal assessment. I have, of course, questions for our leadership, but in general I do not share your point of view. I have a slightly different vision of the world.
                      5. Vladimir247
                        Vladimir247 12 December 2020 19: 55
                        +1
                        We will stake out on that.
              3. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 13 December 2020 18: 46
                +1
                You are a patriot in words and you spoil your Motherland with deeds much stronger than any talker.
                Any problem - a real one - is worth identifying, so you are right there, you are killed, proving that everything is fine, you don't need to do anything, you don't need to fix anything, you don't need to learn how to fight as it should be, etc.
                And who calls "not to clean guns with bricks", in your opinion, he is a traitor.
                Yes?
              4. Hagen
                Hagen 13 December 2020 19: 35
                0
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                and shit on your homeland much stronger than any talker

                My affairs are unknown to you, therefore you are not my judge.
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Any problem - a real one - should be identified, so you are right there.

                If you have any objections to the essence of what I have written, then you are welcome, with arguments and in the case. It's not worth pouring water. So, what of what I have said do you disagree with?
              5. Hagen
                Hagen 13 December 2020 20: 03
                0
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Any problem - a real one - should be identified, so you are right there.

                Are you talking about a "leaky umbrella"? Is there anything to argue with? You presented the entire command staff of the fleet as fools or villains. Those. You undertook to evaluate their work, which means you know how to do this work and how to achieve better results than those of the current commanders? Are you smarter than them? A reasonable question, on what basis should I believe you and not them? Do you have scientific works, have you won a naval battle or opponents at a scientific conference on the issues you are discussing? And if you are right, then why are you writing here and not to the General Prosecutor's Office or to the Presidential Administration?
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                You are right there, kill yourself, proving that everything is fine, nothing needs to be done, nothing needs to be corrected,

                Well, here you are frankly lying. I am not taking any side. I will never undertake to evaluate naval affairs, for the landlord himself. But I consider it at least suspicious that you publish only at the VO level with such serious questions. Afraid that there won't be enough arguments at a higher level?
              6. Salty
                Salty 13 December 2020 20: 19
                -2
                Quote: Hagen
                you with such serious questions are printed only at the VO level

                Well, not only ... here's another, for example:

                https://vz.ru/opinions/expert/4219/

                Vzglyad.ru, a serious publication, thoroughly military ... and serious experts yes
              7. Hagen
                Hagen 13 December 2020 20: 40
                +1
                Quote: SaltY
                Vzglyad.ru ... a serious publication, and serious experts

                And what did he present there? Not a single interview, analyst who collected comments to match VO ... Articles, like articles. Not bonuses .... But royalties. The profession must feed laughing To be honest, I am impressed by the approach to the media in the USSR. An article in the media, which contains information about a criminal act or inaction, was interpreted in the CPC as a reason for initiating a criminal case. And here different outcomes were possible - either the hero received a time limit, or the author ... They answered for the words, and understood that responsibility would come. And today you can throw mud at anyone, and if you ask the question "why?", They will answer - "I see it that way," and no responsibility for public lies. Sheer irresponsibility ... And who to believe now. The answer is no one.
              8. Salty
                Salty 13 December 2020 20: 42
                -1
                Quote: Hagen
                today you can throw mud at anyone, and if you ask the question "why?", they will answer - "I see it that way", and no responsibility for public lies

                Yes it is. And now many are feeding on this. Unfortunately.

                Quote: Hagen
                And what did he present there?

                Nothing special.

                That was sarcasm, the word is request
              9. Hagen
                Hagen 13 December 2020 20: 47
                +1
                Quote: SaltY
                That was sarcasm, the word is

                Once I heard about this ... laughing
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 14 December 2020 17: 03
    0
    And the project is created for the idea, the United States offers the Poles an idea that is flawed of course, but the whole world is following this idea
    I disagree. You are confusing the idea of ​​Russophobia and capitalism. I know that where capitalism is, nationalism and racial hatred are necessarily exploited. SGA, money is allocated for the Russophobic project. Just. Therefore, in Poland there will ALWAYS be Russophobia if people pay for it. And they pay for it at the highest rates. Their price is the lives of the Poles, in the next conquest of Russia. Not a historian, but with my meager forgotten Soviet knowledge, I counted in my mind 4 major attempts by Poland and direct Western funding. There will be more. They will fight with us to the last Pole. This is their fate.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 11 December 2020 16: 17
    0
    Quote: KilleMall
    followed by an existential crisis and, as a consequence, the collapse of the project.

    Especially if you drive a wedge between the main beneficiaries of the Russophobic project - the Germans and the Anglo-Saxons.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 09
    +34
    Quote: KilleMall
    You, dear, treat Poland as a full-fledged state.

    and what is its inferiority?
    Quote: KilleMall
    Poland is a project, just a Russophobic project, perfectly aware of all its Russophobic semantic content

    since when did this become?
    Date of creation the first Polish state is 966, when Mieszko I adopted Christianity. Poland became a kingdom in 1025, and in 1569 it united with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (I Rzeczpospolita). In 1795, as a result of three sectionswhen the territory was divided between Prussia, Austria and Russia, the Polish state ceased to exist.
    The Russian state acquired the official status of the kingdom after the coronation procedure: the wedding of Ivan IV to the kingdom in 1547, after which the state began to be called the Russian kingdom.
    The Russian Empire was proclaimed in 1721 by Peter I.
    Maybe from that time or with joining NATO?
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 12 December 2020 12: 45
      +1
      The country determined by the people in time can be one, and state projects in different periods are completely different. As an example, RI passed to the USSR and then to the Russian Federation. With Poland, speaking roughly the same thing, only the name has not fundamentally changed.
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  • paul3390
    paul3390 11 December 2020 17: 45
    +4
    Poland has a classic under-empire complex .. When it seemed already, they had bitten off, swallowed, Great Poland from Mozha to Mozha, Poles at the head of the Eastern Empire - and suddenly they were hitting the snout! Meat from the mouth, kick in the tail and back to the booth .. Shish you, not the Empire. And we did it. Do you think - will they ever forgive us for such humiliation and destruction of dreams? Yes, not in life !! Therefore - we are enemies with them forever. Reconciliation can only be made by voluntarily giving Great Poland all the lands up to the Urals and promising to pay tribute for 300 years .. For less - the proud Poles cannot sing in any way ..
  • apro
    apro 11 December 2020 15: 26
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    But we have no money for this

    Money ??? if there are no ideas, there is no power to implement them, there is no self-sufficient and independent economy ... then all efforts are worthless.
    Today they like to stick the buzzword RUSSOPHOBIA where it is necessary and not necessary. But it seems that the main Russophobes are sitting in the Kremlin and doing everything to make this phenomenon flourish.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: apro
      but the impression is that the main Russophobes are sitting in the Kremlin and doing everything to make this phenomenon flourish.

      For me personally, this is no longer an impression, but a fact. hi
      1. Salty
        Salty 11 December 2020 18: 11
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        For me personally, this is no longer an impression, but a fact.

        The phrase once again clearly shows your dense illiteracy.

        The fact "for you" - it cannot be, the fact is or is (and is proved by facts) all, or - it seemed to you (that is, it is exactly your impression).

        Two for logic, two for Russian. You seem Russian, do you speak the same? Do you say they are dying out? Well, die out and you already ... nafig such "Russians" who smear everything that is around them (live in Russia, yes) with shit ... negative
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 18
          -1
          Quote: SaltY
          shit smeared ..

          Golovan, this is just yours .. I see you are not disguising yourself laughing
          Impression - a word that, like the corresponding Latin impressio and the German Eindruck, is associated with the naive notion of primitive thinking (preserved in part in ancient philosophy) that external objects act on the soul, like a seal on soft wax, pressing their images there, which remain there for more or less a long time.
          That is, an impression is an emotional component.
          Fact(lat. factum) - a term in a broad sense can act as a synonym for truth; event or result; real, not fictional; the concrete and the individual as opposed to the general and the abstract.
          Two for logic, two for Russian. laughing
          1. Salty
            Salty 11 December 2020 19: 41
            -1
            Quote: Svarog
            ... this is just your ...

            Do we translate the arrows? Well, an old troll excuse, what else to say ...

            And such a miracle walks here in large shoulder straps ... the site is dilapidated, there are no ideas, all the loot is obscured ... sorry.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 45
              -1
              Quote: SaltY
              And such a miracle walks here in large shoulder straps ... the site is dilapidated, there are no ideas, all the loot is obscured ... sorry.

              The site is not dilapidated .. the site keeps up with the times .. Urakrichalki are beginning to look inadequate ... Although complain .. I'm ready to substitute a vest for you .. have known each other for so many years .. laughing (in absentia) I specially emphasized that in absentia ... but then tell me who your friend is .. wassat
              1. Salty
                Salty 11 December 2020 19: 47
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                The site has not decayed .. the site keeps up with the times ..

                Echo of Matza, then, too - in step with the times? And so it looks like yes

                Quote: Svarog
                Urakrichalki begin to look inadequate ...

                But the amateurs are dense to smear (foul-smelling) substance - in trend. Here you are ... got attached good laughing
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 51
                  0
                  Quote: SaltY
                  Echo of Matza, then, too - in step with the times? And so it looks like

                  The echoes are paid by the same ones as you ... you have one wallet laughing
                  Quote: SaltY
                  But amateurs smear thickly with a substance is in trend. Here you are ...

                  Complaining that is not in trend? So write adequately to what is happening, call black black, white white .. bush is in trend ..
                  1. Salty
                    Salty 11 December 2020 19: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    write adequately to what is happening, call black black, white white ..

                    So I call it - bogomaz - bogomaz, coprophil - coprophil, sewer - sewer. Only you cannot understand.

                    I'm talking about you, yes, but not with you laughing
                  2. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: SaltY

                    So I call it - bogomaz - bogomaz, coprophil - coprophil, sewer - sewer. Only you cannot understand.

                    So tell me what kind of fifty dollars you are .. you call names and not a single clever thought .. again you sow a flood on the site .. provoke ..
                    you have a complex, overcome yourself .. Get up .. overcome your fear .. stand up to your full height laughing
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                  4. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 December 2020 20: 04
                    +2
                    Listen to music .. how do you? And we already know your diagnosis ..

                    It's a bomb with a symphony orchestra .. Friday Roma drinks laughing
  • Vladimir247
    Vladimir247 12 December 2020 02: 05
    +1
    The main Russophobes are sitting in the Kremlin ...
    -------------
    This impression is already 25 years old, no less. I have been counting since 1993, from the moment the parliament was shot. After that, a decent person could not even get into the Kremlin by mistake.
    The famous political teacher and sociologist, S.G. Kara-Murza, in the 05th year, in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda, described the Kremlin power as liquidcom from the US government. Actually, since then, nothing has changed.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 13 December 2020 18: 47
      +1
      Russia was liquidated especially strongly in Crimea in 2014, right?
      1. Vladimir247
        Vladimir247 13 December 2020 22: 30
        0
        You see ... in a good way, all of Ukraine should be ours. Our ancestors collected, and now the Crimea is enough for us? And who lives in Ukraine, isn't it Russians? So why did we give it away, and we rejoice in the Crimea? Are there not enough reasons for joy?
        Zurabov, served as ambassador to Ukraine for 10 years, and nobody knew anything? Didn't know, didn't know, that Banderas with red bows and torches roam the streets? To believe in such a thing is not to respect yourself.
        And about Crimea ... have you heard anything about the "Kremlin tower"?
        Only now, "our" tower, something has been silent as a fish, since 2014 ... but as declared, as declared ... we do not abandon our own (about Donbass).
        I have already written my point of view, without restoring the jurisdiction of the USSR on the territory of Russia, we cannot restore the country. If 30 years was not enough to understand this ... well, well ... then we will dance on a rake and further.
        Pysy: The Americans will be able to deliver missiles at least in the Sumy region, for example. And what does Crimea give us in this case?
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 11 December 2020 16: 01
    +4
    Can! if you buy their elite or with a powerful military strike ... take Warsaw.

    Will not help. Take a look back in history. Even after the complete partition, Poland remained Russophobic and always raised an uprising against Russia, one of which Suvorov even had to pacify. But after the capture of Warsaw, Suvorov did not hang anyone, although the Poles themselves just thought that Alexander Vasilyevich would outweigh them all. And it would be for what ...
    The solution to the Polish question is the resettlement of Poles across the territory of Russia only so that there is no separate Polish region, otherwise even in Siberia the Commonwealth may arise ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 54
      +35
      Quote: The Truth
      Even after the complete partition, Poland remained Russophobic and always raised an uprising against Russia

      it would be strange if it were different. Poland was divided by Russia, Austria and Prussia.
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 13 December 2020 10: 33
        -1
        it would be strange if it were different. Poland was divided by Russia, Austria and Prussia.

        This is exactly what - and the strangest ... Something is not known that the Poles rebelled against Austria, Prussia, and revolts against Russia were constantly raised ...
  • Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 14
    +33
    Quote: Civil
    Or buy their elite or take Warsaw with a powerful military strike through Belarus.

    again?
    Quote: Civil
    But we have no money for this

    Why then this nix?
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 December 2020 18: 44
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    buy them elite

    dispossess their own people, buy them for profit, we will live remarkably !!
  • fsps
    fsps 11 December 2020 20: 16
    0
    Can not. And not only to Russia, to anyone at all. Here's an example:
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/929044
    It is a pity that Russia has such a short memory.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 December 2020 15: 18
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Friendship between countries is built purely on the basis of calculation and those who receive something in return are friends.

    Friendship for money (services, it does not happen, these are just temporary and forced partners. Friendship without money or love, also falls apart. But when for money, they part in silence, but for love, so with hatred with blood.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Svarog
      Friendship between countries is built purely on the basis of calculation and those who receive something in return are friends.

      Friendship for money (services, it does not happen, these are just temporary and forced partners. Friendship without money or love, also falls apart. But when for money, they part in silence, but for love, so with hatred with blood.

      It is wisely said about people .. but about countries, love does not happen .. always harassment .. laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 December 2020 13: 01
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        It is wisely said about people .. but about countries, love does not happen .. always harassment ..

        Why is it not so with states, people live there and decide how to live. Here in December 1991, it seems that they fled peacefully, without pretensions, live and rejoice. But here in the independent one people, began to oppress and spread rot against another people, then immediately friendship turned into enmity. Therefore, the people, namely the people of Crimea, left that country, but Donbass has to leave with a fight, there will never be friendship between people, graves and churchyards will not allow friendship, although peace may come between states sometime.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 12 December 2020 12: 16
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But when for money, they part in silence, but for love, so with hatred and blood.
      It depends on the love of money, with a strong one - it happens without hatred, but with a killer.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 11 December 2020 15: 24
    -5
    what can poland offer us?
    apples and cosmetics do not count, there are enough offers on the market.
    By the way, it is interesting if Qatari gas and Saudi oil will be more expensive, but psheks will be guided by them because they can give more, then I have a question - what can they (Qatar and the CA with the UAE) give Poland?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 December 2020 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: Dodikson
      what can poland offer us?

      -The sales market is 40 mil. people .. (if we were an industrial power)
      -Safety buffer
      This is already enough. USA for these purposes and formed NATO
      In general, all geopolitics is based on these two principles.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 December 2020 15: 38
        -2
        how the passengers got it who constantly shout to us that we should pray to the west and show the reasons for which we ourselves can show.
        good gentleman. but can't we give pshek a sales market of 140 million people? if Poland were an industrial power.
        What can Poland give us that we cannot do ourselves?
        pates? household chemicals ? Monsieur, I'm not an office hamster with a brain like Citizen 404, I can still go to the store and see where imported Domestos is produced, or Arieel and Tide, where Dove soap or Head & Shoulders shampoo are made. I can also see where the bounty sneakers and Marlboro cigarettes are made.
        so tell me good mister. what the fuck is poland?
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 11 December 2020 17: 49
        +2
        You see, the sales market is valuable when it is solvent ... And with that Poland has big problems .. They don't have a shit in return. There is nothing to pay them. And there are enough fans to devour for free and without them on the planet .. So far, the proud Poles exist exclusively at the expense of EU subsidies and loans. That's what they live for. I don't think that Russia needs another 40 million hicks and freeloaders ..
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 33
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          I don’t think Russia needs another 40 million hicks and freeloaders ..

          Freeloaders are not needed .. but if you look around .. who is not a freeloader? And these are people, Poland 40 ml .. Ukraine 40 ml .. so and several hundred million are recruited .. I am arguing not from the point of view of profit .. but from the point of view of product sales are different things.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 35
            -4
            Then why didn't you reason from the point of view of product sales that Russia can give Poland 140 million sales market?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 December 2020 19: 38
              +2
              Quote: Dodikson
              Then why didn't you reason from the point of view of product sales that Russia can give Poland 140 million sales market?

              Because the EU and US market will give Poland 600 mil ... and in the Russian Federation, Poland is already selling everything .. Dodik, well, this is elementary ..
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 53
                -2
                China will give us 1.5 billion sales market, why go to Poland?
                or if you turn on your head, then you need ANY market outlets?
                and that's why there was almost mourning in Poland when ours banned Polish apples and so on? (remind the stocks in Poland that every day you have to eat an apple in spite of the Russians?) and that the Polish sales market will not interfere with Russia, and that the Poles also need a Russian sales market.
                (this, as China was not going to give its entire sales market to Russia, and in the EU, no one is going to give their sales market to the Poles)
                but then I don’t see any logic - Poland has something to offer the Russians (sales market), and Russia has nothing to offer to Poland (although it also has a sales market and it is 3 times larger)
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 57
      +32
      Quote: Dodikson
      can poland offer us?

      In 2016, the share of industrial production in Poland's GDP was 38,5%. At the same time, the number of people employed in industry is 30,4% of the working population. Growth rates are higher than in the economy as a whole - about 4,2% in 2016. Mechanical engineering is one of the world's leading manufacturers of fishing vessels, electric trains, freight and passenger cars, road and construction machines, machine tools, engines, electronics, industrial equipment, etc.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 37
        -3
        Tell me which electric locomotives and wagons that travel in Russia are made in Poland?
        What road and construction machines are produced in Poland and where can I see them? I especially want to see what kind of electronics Poland makes, I really want to see it.
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 11 December 2020 21: 25
          0
          Well, about electric locomotives, it's a little far away, but about special equipment-zremb: trailers, semi-trailers, bumar-excavators. I don't know about electronics, I was not interested, but household appliances are zelmer, I have an electric meat grinder wassat for my money, works great.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 December 2020 21: 29
            -2
            are trailers and semi-trailers like high technologies? These are ordinary carts and wheels that are attached to the technique.
            excavators and a good example, the only old question is - what engine is there and whose? otherwise the ladle is not the biggest technological breakthrough in the industry.
            about electronics do the right thing that you don't write. for she is not there at all. in a meat grinder it is certainly cool, it will pull the economy of the whole country.
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 11 December 2020 22: 22
              0
              You yourself asked about the technique laughing I answered only because I know personally what I had come across. I didn’t make analytical work as a specialist for you. In addition to the bucket in the excavator, the hydraulic equipment, The same hidrotor Polyansky produces quite good hydraulics, pumps, distributors. Pshekov products for body repair before sanctions were quite well used (troton, navol) very decent, polyester resins from these manufacturers are excellent both in price and quality, no matter how offensive it may sound, but much better than "our" Lipetsk Holex, a Chinese spill. well, on "Tatar "(KamAZ) also installs a Mercedes diesel, together with a ZF box. And this is also not our own development. Some of the components are produced locally here, though again everything is on imported machines. Judging by your logic
              [/ quote] not the biggest technological breakthrough in the industry. [quote]
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 11 December 2020 22: 30
                -6
                the theme is that they are trying to develop their own, they have less and less of theirs.
                what is really developed for them is the chemical industrial, let's see how long it lasts
  • Bar1
    Bar1 11 December 2020 15: 59
    +3
    Russophobia of the Poles is an artfully imposed ideology. It is based on a FALSE story that the Poles have always been against Russians. It's not true.
    The split of the Slavs was carried out first of all by the Christian Church, no matter which Catholic or Orthodox. A stupid, creepy Polish language was invented and a false history was written.
    If we recall that the Slavs lived not only in today's Slavic countries, but also throughout the Danube and throughout Germany, then many questions arise in the official history. And the most important question is the question of dating. All these wars of conquest between the Germans and the Slavs were artificially thrown back It is safe to say that even at the beginning of the 19th century, the Poles spoke Russian. This conclusion can be drawn by looking at the development of Russophobia in Ukraine, which 20 years ago was almost completely Russian-speaking. And if you look at Stalin's speech at the 10th Congress on about the Ukrainization of the Russians, then much becomes clear in this story.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 11 December 2020 16: 31
    +3
    Half of the world of freeloaders: Cuba. Syria, Egypt, Angola, Mozambique, Somalia, Ethiopia, CMEA, continue? Friendship has always been one-sided. Russia was overwhelmed by the abundance of "friends" already mentioned within the USSR. The Americans are more pragmatic and try to compensate at least some of their costs through the dollar, weapons, etc. With them you will not be very confused, a rocket will arrive or the CIA will help. We do not need such friends, we need those who are willing to pay for our products and minerals.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 11 December 2020 17: 53
      +6
      And what to pay for? Dollars? For which you cannot buy anything you need, and even the United States will indicate to you what you can spend and what not. In fact, all the former friends of the Union had something to take, fossils, food, and much more. Only for them to be able to pay off - they had to create an opportunity to get all this. Well, there is, say, oil in Angola - it still needs to be extracted and transported .. This is what the USSR was doing .. For from any country you can have something useful in exchange for your goods. Except, of course, the United States ... Those - pay exclusively with candy wrappers ..
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 11 December 2020 16: 54
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Poland, or any other country ... can be a friend and a partner. It all depends on the benefit ..

    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

    Now "friendship" with other countries turns out, as it were, at an auction - whoever gives more, will be friends with those, alas ...
  • businessv
    businessv 11 December 2020 17: 53
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    We are a completely dependent country and few people are interested in. The results of the so-called 30-year-old democracy, but remember how many "friends" the USSR had .. half of the World ..
    The fact is that Poland is also a completely dependent country, but we, in contrast to them, have a lot of resources, the management of which was left to the oligarchs, In this regard, we became dependent, but we are interested in just all industrially developed countries, precisely with its resources. But Poland is the only thing that can sell - Russophobia and our former military bases and airfields, so it is a NATO outpost!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 December 2020 20: 48
    -4
    In this perspective, when on the signal from behind a wall with battlements, even fraternal peoples are appointed by the enemies and hordes of propagandists pour out prepared tubs of slop ...
    We cannot be friends to anyone!
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 11 December 2020 23: 33
    0
    If we were a completely dependent country, such topics would not be exaggerated on all sites.
    The addicts are eaten in silence.
    The independent create an environment for conquest.
    You do a good job in the topic.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 12 December 2020 00: 59
    +2
    You overestimated the rationality of the Poles.
    At one time, I was amazed to read how St. Lem justified Basayev's attack on the maternity hospital in Budennovsk. It would seem that taking hostages of newborns and pregnant women is generally beyond the bounds. But if they are Russians, the Pole applauds!
    And I understood - the Pole is a diagnosis! recourse
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 12 December 2020 12: 51
      0
      Quote: Sahalinets
      highly respected by me Art. Lem
      Maybe you don't respect those. But why transfer Lem's self-disclosure to all Poles. There are also those who look after the monuments of Soviet soldiers-liberators and try to defend them before the Russophobic government.
  • krops777
    krops777 13 December 2020 04: 04
    0
    We are a completely dependent country and few people are interested in. The results of the so-called 30-year-old democracy, but remember how many "friends" the USSR had .. half of the World ..


    And where are these friends? With rare exceptions. A friend is known in trouble and not when you feed and sponsor him.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 13 December 2020 13: 51
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Recently, the United States imposed sanctions on the Bauman Moscow State Technical University and now the university has huge problems.

    I wonder why he is named after Bauman, who never studied there. And another famous Eastsee German studied there.
  • Alexander Dubinin
    Alexander Dubinin 26 January 2021 11: 50
    0
    If we are a completely dependent country, then we are the first enemy of the United States, and the entire West is holding us back. You liberals will decide to begin with.
  • Killemall
    Killemall 11 December 2020 15: 05
    +1
    Of course it can, if Poland is not there. It's just that the Poles are a nation frustrating in imperial greatness ... such people will never be friends with anyone. They can sell themselves to someone, they can situationally be allies ... but friends - to no one ... In general, notorious, refined scoundrels are obtained from this kind of people, because they shit not out of self-interest, but only for the sake of a "great goal"
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 58
      +35
      Quote: KilleMall
      a nation frustrating in imperial greatness ...

      and the Russians yearning for the Russian Empire? There is no such?
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 11 December 2020 15: 06
    +15
    It's all about the official ideological and information policy of Warsaw, about the continuous informational influence of the West on Polish society

    "Russophobia" is also a commodity. If they pay for it, then why not use it. And the financial capabilities of the West and Russia are incompatible
  • parusnik
    parusnik 11 December 2020 15: 07
    +11
    Who feeds modern Poland, he dances it ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 December 2020 15: 09
    +4
    With Germany, Poland, in general, is a military-political ally within NATO, although the Germans have historically brought a lot of harm to the Polish people.

    But the Poles also brought the Germans no less evil, if not more.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 11 December 2020 15: 22
    +3
    A very complex history of Poland and Russia. Even without retiring into the depths of time, you still need to take into account the deep traits of character. Russian is a generous soul, Ukrainian is greedy, Pole is ....?
    In general, talking about Poland as a friend is more like one author wrote: "Family life consists of compromises. First, a compromise, then compromising evidence, and then just swearing." We have already passed the first two stages with Poland.
  • prior
    prior 11 December 2020 15: 23
    -5
    Poland can be friendly to Russia only as part of Russia.
    For example: Polish Soviet Socialist Republic within the USSR 2.0.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 11 December 2020 15: 28
    +4
    We must first remember when Poland was friendly.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 December 2020 15: 41
      +2
      when the sun was god.
      after they were baptized, they changed their mentality and became Russophobes.
      in the bolts the same theme.
      they, together with the Russians, fought against the Catholics of the Pshek and Deutsches, but as soon as they were baptized into Catholicism, they became Russophobes and hate the Russians, although before baptism they were essentially the same people with the Russians (the gods were practically the same, we have Perun , they have Perkunas, we have Veles, they have Velnyas)
      1. Konstantin Shevchenko
        Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 16: 00
        +1
        And someone had Zeus, Neptune, Aphrodite. "The same eggs only from the side." In short brothers laughing
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 11 December 2020 16: 13
          -7
          We didn't have Zeus and Aphrodite.
          but we had a common mythology, you can read their myths and descriptions of their gods, for example, the goddess of the morning dawn.
          In addition, we have common genetics with them. But the ancient Greeks, starting with the Achaeans, are the Jews who moved away from the main branch during the exodus from Egypt, in general, those who did not want to go with Moses with a new god for them, left the other side keeping the old one faith in El, hence Hellas and the Greeks. Believe it or not, this is a fact confirmed by geneticists.
          1. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 16: 53
            +1
            In the field of genetics, I trust Klyosov. I don’t trust Nestor who wrote how Vladimir was running around with Perun, for me it is equal to media from CNN from a special correspondent.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 39
              -4
              I'm writing about genetics. because I was crazy when I found out about the Greek Jews.
      2. Orrin
        Orrin 11 December 2020 16: 27
        +4
        Quote: Dodikson
        when the sun was god

        When the Sun-Horse was a god, there was no Poland. The Polish state arose during the reign of Mieszko, who converted to Catholicism in 966.
        Quote: Dodikson
        we have Perun, they have Perkunas, we have Veles, they have Velnyas

        Not among the Poles, but among the Balts. Poles Piorun and Velez
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 39
          0
          re-read my comments again.
          1. Orrin
            Orrin 11 December 2020 22: 41
            0
            I missed the transition from Pole to Balts
            Quote: Dodikson
            in the bolts the same theme.

            hi
  • Gato
    Gato 11 December 2020 15: 30
    -1
    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

    As a territory - yes, as a state - no.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 11 December 2020 15: 37
    +2
    chewing lazily ... "and why is it millet in our friends ???" ...... like a handehoch for the Poles, Poland and their friendship
  • Constanty
    Constanty 11 December 2020 15: 44
    +8
    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?


    May be! Most Poles don't hate Russians at all, and stupid authorities don't last forever. I, a Pole, believe that it is possible
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 16: 11
      0
      It's not about friendship, it's about the economy. Poland was already part of the Republic of Ingushetia but did not grow together, the Poles listed in this article are from the Republic of Ingushetia. Since you are a Pole, tell us what was wrong.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 11 December 2020 16: 50
        +4
        Our relationship arose as a result of the competition for the championship in this part of Europe. once part of the Republic of Ingushetia (and quite a large part of it) was under the rule of Poland, sometimes part of Poland was conquered by Russia (part of Prussia and Austria)
        Both can hardly be called friendly relations.
        It was also difficult for Poles occupied by a foreign state to rejoice.
        However, there were people like Count Wielopolski, Drutsky-Lubetsky, who wanted to restore Poland through cooperation with Russia.

        The PRL can hardly be called a free state if power was imposed by force and protected by the Soviet Army, but the fact is that thanks to the victory of the USSR over fascism, Poland ceased to collapse and could live in peace.

        Yes, each country has its own interests - the nature of things, in many respects we have different interests, but different (both England and France have a hostile history) and somehow we now live in peace.

        And we know perfectly well that the opinion of citizens can be controlled - when you want to stir up disgust or even hostility towards other people (with sadness I sometimes see that this is the case in the BO in relation to Poland), when you want to calm the mood and look for positive.

        The Americans are not friends of Poland at all - they only care about their own interests. Unfortunately, Polish politics is stupid and repeats the same mistakes.
        1. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 17: 52
          -1
          The PRL can hardly be called a free state if power was imposed by force and protected by the Soviet Army, but the fact is that thanks to the victory of the USSR over fascism, Poland ceased to collapse and could live in peace.
          If the Poles knew how much it cost the USSR to grow showcase states, contrary to economic logic. Yes, and RI is a generous soul, but not to his people.
          Whoever comes to power in Poland will not be free, your government is not stupid, it twists itself as best it can. Poland does not have real resources, colonies to be self-sufficient. For self-sufficiency, they are punished with sanctions.
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 11 December 2020 19: 03
            +3
            I totally agree that Poland cannot afford an independent policy. We are not a superpower either economically or militarily, let alone geopolitically.

            Only common sense and logic will force to seek allies and friends among neighbors and enemies, as much as possible. Meanwhile, because of their phobias and historical past, my authorities, not to mention phobias and paranoia, are doing everything to make their neighbors enemies and allies abroad - this is unreasonable.
            Although I believe that good neighborly relations should not mean dependence - just the awareness of "place in line", and respect for isolation - to be an ally, not a vassal.
            And here I would rather be in an alliance with Russia than with the United States - we are Slavs, we are neighbors and will remain so.
            1. Konstantin Shevchenko
              Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 19: 37
              0
              It's hard to believe that your authorities are doing this voluntarily
              Meanwhile, because of their phobias and historical past, my authorities, not to mention phobias and paranoia, are doing everything to make their neighbors enemies and allies abroad - this is unreasonable.
              Otherwise, why should the EU finance Poland?
              Russia also stands for equality. Only those who have banks, manufactories - why should they? They see Russia only as a Vasal, not that they do not see an ally or even a partner.
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 11 December 2020 20: 02
                +1
                Please note that the main EU countries - which, incidentally, were at one time ruthlessly beaten by Russia - France and Germany - countries with a large share of banks, factories in Poland, countries that largely finance the EU budget - have better political and economic relations with Russia ... than Poland
                1. Konstantin Shevchenko
                  Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 20: 26
                  0
                  The EU complains to the US that the US obliges to impose sanctions against Russia, but at the same time increases trade with Russia. Of course, there is also your grain of truth that the Polish government has made too many attacks towards Russia. Russia is simply forced to ignore Poland and freeze relations.
                  1. Constanty
                    Constanty 11 December 2020 20: 51
                    +1
                    Unfortunately, nothing can be done with the current Polish authorities - this game is based on the worst instincts and bad emotions of the minority of Poles, often suppressed by propaganda.
                    Indeed, it is difficult for Russia to support what is happening in Poland - only that the power in Poland is about to collapse, and therefore it will be good for Russia and Poland if Russia simply shows diplomacy - and in this Russia is the champion! Don't burn bridges, just stand in your place so as not to alienate most supportive or neutral Poles.
                    Yes, we will no longer be a subordinate country, but we can be friendly neutral, like Finland (which was also part of the RI, and for some reason there are not many provocative articles on the BO)
                    And believe me, the overwhelming majority of Poles do not have a negative attitude towards Russia - yes, groups of elderly people have a negative attitude towards the USSR - because of family tragedies, some parts do not matter, some (for example, my 30-year-old brother does not even know the Russian alphabet) are indifferent , young people and they are open - I'm not talking about their children - 9 and 6 years old, who are delighted with the Russian language and watch, for example, "The Wolf and the Hare", ask them to learn the language themselves and enjoy listening to the history of Russia, which I I'm happy to tell
                    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
                      Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 21: 26
                      0
                      The story with the Finas is short, at VO they are well rinsed for "gratitude to Russia" and the concentration camps in Karelia. Finland is not a NATO member and was not in the Warsaw Pact, I agree they know how to keep themselves in neutrality. You do not speak Russian badly.
                      1. Constanty
                        Constanty 11 December 2020 21: 44
                        +1
                        I studied 30-40 years ago in elementary school, then I learned to read myself, reading numerous books by Sorokin, Melnikov, in my youth, the "Technique of Youth" Model-constructor magazines gangut and others, years later I passed my final exam in Russian for doctoral studies, as I wrote about the Baltic Fleet, awarded the Order of the Red Banner (KBF). I can read and understand Russian well as a self-taught person. However, I am writing with the help of a translator, hence numerous errors - Sorry
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 12 December 2020 13: 11
          +2
          Quote: Constanty
          sadly, I sometimes see that this is the case in the VO in relation to Poland
          Here not only to Poland, but also to other countries, but most of all to the Russian Federation they stir up. There are enough propagandist bots here, what else to expect from them. And there is nowhere to get good relations with the Polish authorities.
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 December 2020 16: 25
      -2
      there are Poles like you, there are even those who defend our monuments and look after them.
      and there are those who meet Americans almost with flowers.
      the ordinary population as a whole does not care about the state graters, but as a state Poland cannot be called friendly. and for a very long time
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 December 2020 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: Constanty
      I am Polish,

      I'm wondering: how does it feel for you the Pole, read utter nonsense about
      Quote: prior
      Polish Soviet Socialist Republic within the USSR 2.0.

      or
      Quote: Gato
      As a territory - yes, as a state - no.

      that is, one idiot, therefore, offers to rewire Poland for a while (it's the 21st century, for a minute), another - to deport the Poles, and apparently to populate the vacated territories with Kalmyks and Chukchi. At the same time, people who totally hate all neighbors whine at all corners about Russophobia and are surprised that they are treated without due love and respect.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 11 December 2020 17: 09
        +7
        There are a lot of comments here that I disagree with, and I'm just sad to see how we are against each other. It is also painful to use offensive language addressed to me and my compatriots.

        It's so sad, but I think that we should not give up and, for our part, do everything possible to bring our countries closer together - even at the level of personal contacts, learning the history of each other - he is interested in the history of the Russian fleet, and many Poles served - to mention only Wołkowicki, Koziełł-Poklewski near Cuszima, Szczęsnowicz in Port Artur, ADM Podrebski, Stankevich brothers (including the famous Mamert "Captain Means")

        We have such heroes as the commander of the 1st Fighter Aviation Regiment "Warsaw", Russian Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Taldykin, who died fighting for the liberation of Poland, and thousands of other Russians.

        We have a choice - to be enemies or to live in the neighborhood based on respect for each other's statehood. I choose the latter
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 01: 40
          -1
          Quote: Constanty
          Russian Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Taldykin, who died fighting for the liberation of Poland; and thousands of other Russians.

          nothing is
          Soviet fighter pilot, lieutenant colonel of the USSR Air Force; won 8 air victories in World War II - became a Russian lieutenant colonel along with thousands of other Russians ..
          What is that?
          This is not from where Russia itself defeated Hitler without the USSR and other republics? wassat
  • Egor53
    Egor53 11 December 2020 15: 49
    +1
    Why do we need friends like Poland?
    To sell gas to them at discounts?
    It's time to simply admit that Poland is our ENEMY, it has always been and will be. And enemies should not make any discounts in trade. This should apply to all other countries, including Belarus.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 December 2020 15: 51
    -7
    Can Poland be friendly to us? -Can, but within Russia or Germany. Now the states are molding polkas into a counterweight to the exploding Germany. Well, this is convenient for the states - the states cannot physically exist without an external enemy, and the inflation of the militancy of the Poles is just the business of the American military-industrial complex and the State Department. Otherwise, the Poles were no more than a vegetable garden of old Europe.
    1. Orrin
      Orrin 11 December 2020 16: 13
      +6
      Quote: evgen1221
      Can Poland be friendly to us? -Can, but as part of Russia

      In the 19th century, Poland was part of Russia. Over the century that Poland was part of Russia, we had a number of Polish uprisings. They, as part of Russia, did not become either loyal or friendly to us.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 11 December 2020 16: 52
        -1
        Due to the fact that we were not engaged in reformatting and russifying the Poles in general, either we didn’t know how to do it, or we didn’t want to. There, in fact, nothing has changed with our arrival, continuous independence and autonomy nominally as part of the RI. Yes, and in general any satellites hold on to the owner as long as he pays them and demands little, the transfer of any satellite to self-sufficiency with hammering on the whip leads to the fall of the satellite.
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  • Orrin
    Orrin 11 December 2020 16: 09
    +4
    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

    Maybe if normal politicians are in power, not Russophobes. In the meantime, we have an anti-Russian government in Warsaw ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 December 2020 01: 10
      +3
      To do this, we need to "grow" pro-Russian politicians. And we don't. Therefore, Russophobic politicians will remain in power in Poland for a long time.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 11 December 2020 16: 12
    +1
    Yes Any country can be friendly to us, what kind of regime is ruled by such a policy
    Poland, under the complete control and external control of the West, they raised and educated entire generations of Russophobes.
    This is our fault also that they showed weakness
    and for all this "thanks" to our Gorbachev
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 December 2020 16: 13
    +5
    Polonsky sometimes resembles a lecturer from "It Was in Penkovo" - he took the most banal idea
    As long as Poland is a NATO member, an ally of the United States and Great Britain, one cannot count on its friendship.
    piled empty words around her and went to the VO cashier for a fee?
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 December 2020 16: 21
    +3
    I think this is impossible. Russophobia and Polish nationalism are an integral part of Polish culture and identity, I would even say that it is an inseparable part that permeates their entire history, philosophy, foreign and domestic policy. Can lemon be sweet? This is also the case for Poland - it cannot be "pro-Russian". In the best case, we can count on complete non-interference and relations like the Russian-Finnish one, but even that would be utopia, on the verge of fantasy. Our country at one time was on the list of gravediggers of the Polish imperialism, and for many years suppressed its persistent attempts to revive. Quite stubbornly, that through the window, that through the door, we tried to include Poland in the zone of our influence, both cultural and geopolitical, both before the revolution and after the revolution. In this regard, our country painfully reminds Poland of Ivan Dulin from the well-known series, who can achieve the interested Mikhalych from different sides, but the key interest, as they say, is always the same. So every time we open our mouths and say something to Poland, she hears only one message, explicit or hidden. It just so happened historically.

    The fact that for even us (who adore digging in historical guts until they lose their pulse and look for peas there) seems gray-haired antiquity that has lost its relevance - for the Poles it is almost "the yesterday of their recent history" - and therefore some little-covered in our country society, the events of Russian-Polish relations, for them can be a historical milestone and a phallic symbol of the ongoing and superheroic struggle.
    So there is no way to put some Yanukovych in prison and fill him up with money - which in our perception is usually meant by "normalization of relations with (substitute with whom)" - including because "Polish democratic traditions" are grotesque form of the most radical (read - absurd) democracy that was probably in Europe.
    So, to summarize my thought - there is no need for us even to think about "normalizing relations" - we need to systematically dig the road to Europe through the states lying south of Poland, and not to react to Poland itself in any way - not to conduct business, not to establish a dialogue, joint initiatives to curtail. All this is a waste of money and attention. In Europe, Poland was an outcast, over time it is "ours" in the person of Great Britain and the United States, which will remain so, for reasons of Poland's geopolitical position - sandwiched between us and our allied movements, and Germany and German allied movements.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 11 December 2020 16: 23
    +1
    It's simple - historically, two States grappled with each other for the right to become an Empire! The strongest won in the end. This is not forgiven in any way ... This, they say, is mine - well, try it!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 11 December 2020 16: 50
    +3
    Even after the three partitions of Poland in the territory controlled by Russia, the Polish language and education in it, the Uniate and Catholic faiths along with the Orthodox remained, two currencies circulated - the Russian ruble and the Polish zloty, which was minted in St. Petersburg at the Mint. But he was GOLD! In the territories controlled by Prussia and Austria-Hungary, Prussian and Austro-Hungarian currencies, the German language were in circulation, the Polish intelligentsia was repressed. It was Russia, after the Great October Revolution, that released Poland and Finland. And in gratitude, Pilsudski and Mannerheim in 1918 began the occupation of Russian lands. After all, the Polish-Soviet war began in 1918, Kiev was occupied by the Poles in 1919. In the same way, Finland tried to chop off Karelia.
    And after the Great Patriotic War, the USSR transferred 60 heads of cattle, pork, grain to Poland, left Soviet weapons to the Polish Army, and transferred a huge amount of transport equipment to Poland. Then he gave Poland a license to manufacture Pobeda cars (the Poles produced it under the name Warsaw), then GAZ-000, then BTR-51, then T-60 tank (the Poles produced it under the name Tvyardy). Within the framework of the CMEA, the USSR purchased goods from Poland that could be produced by itself-gondola cars, telephones, clothing, footwear, Poland built transport ships and warships (missile boats) on orders from the USSR, the USSR supplied to Poland at intra-SEV prices oil, coking coal and gas. And now Poland has considerable income from the transit of Russian gas. There are enough reasons not to be at enmity. But the Polish ambition, backed up from the rear by the United States, is poisoning the wounds that have lingered on (although Russia also had many wounds from the Poles - 72 prisoners of the Red Army in 26 - not a single one returned) And then there was Goebbels's propaganda-Katyn, they themselves organized and blamed the death of the plane with the government on Russia. Poland constantly demands an increase in the tariff for pumping gas and oil. No, Russia does not need such friends. We just need normal interstate relations with mutual implementation of the signed agreements.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 December 2020 18: 13
      0
      On the territory of Austria-Hungary, or rather, on the territory of Cisleitania (the Austrian part), the Polish nobility and intelligentsia were not only not repressed, on the contrary, they were left at the mercy of Galicia (the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria), with the center in Krakow. In Galicia, it was the Polish language that dominated, including in Eastern Galicia with a predominance of the Ukrainian population. The Poles took an active part in Austrian politics and were repeatedly appointed to ministerial posts. Leon von Bilinsky - Minister of Finance of Cisleitania in 1895-1897 and 1909-1911 Empire-wide Minister of Finance of Austria-Hungary in 1912-1915. Alfred von Potocki - Minister-President of Cisleitania (April 12, 1870 - February 4, 1871). Casimir Felix von Badeny - Minister-President of Cisleitania (September 30, 1895 - November 30, 1897).
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 12 December 2020 15: 22
        0
        The prefix "von" before the names indicates that they were already DEFINED Poles. The prefix von is a Germanic and Austro-Hungarian count title. Yes, and Galicia was not part of the Russian Empire. As it left under the Mongol-Tatars (hence the dominance of the Polish language), it was returned in 1939. Khmelnytsky fought for the return of Galicia. , Rumyantsev, Suvorov, Potemkin. But then it belonged to ... TURKS! During the First World War (General Brusilov) and the Civil War (Front Commander Egorov), there were heavy battles for Lviv and Przemysl. And Austria-Hungary created before the First World War two concentration camps for Rusyns (a nation in Galicia) - Terezin and Tellerhof. The Rusyns were repressed again in the First World War (1914-Austria-Hungary) and the Great Patriotic War (1941-Bandera). And hence the warning to today's Ukraine. Ukraine aspires to the EU. But then she will have to pass a law on restitution - the return of private property to its previous owners. And the lands in Western Ukraine were owned by POLISH magnates - Potocki, Vishnevets, Sangushki, Radziwills, Ossolinsky.
  • tatra
    tatra 11 December 2020 16: 58
    +4
    And maybe it was - when over the Polish and Russian enemies of the Communists stood "overseers with whips" - the Communists. And when, thanks to their "Liberator" Gorbachev, they seized Poland and the RSFSR, they began to instill anger and hatred both against the communists and their supporters, and against each other.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 11 December 2020 17: 02
    +34
    A rare example of successful, although not without problems, cooperation between the two countries was the post-war period, when the Polish People's Republic was part of the sphere of Soviet influence. But even then, anti-Soviet and anti-Russian sentiments did not subside within Polish society.

    what then prevented the destruction of Russophobia?
    2 mutually exclusive views of Putin on the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact
    2009 Putin: “Without any doubt, can condemn with good reason the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, concluded in August 1939. Today we understand that any form of collusion with the Nazi regime was unacceptable from a moral point of view and had no prospects in terms of practical implementation. "
    2015 Putin: “The meaning of ensuring the security of the Soviet Union in this pact was... This is the first thing. Now the second thing: I will remind you that after the signing of the corresponding Munich Agreement, Poland has taken action to annex part of Czech territory."
    2019 Putin: once again pointed to the cooperation between Poland and Nazi Germany before WWII: "The same Poland? They actually entered into an agreement with Hitler! You can clearly see this from the documents, from the archival documents!"
    Also then, Putin called the "bastard" and "anti-Semitic pig" Polish ambassador to Germany Jozef Lipski, who, according to the president, in 1938 spoke approvingly about the persecution of Jews.
    Putin's new interpretation of the events of 1939 is very different from the one that was adopted in Soviet times: then all the blame was placed on Hitler's Germany, but there was no question of any share of Poland's responsibility. But the Czech Republic also supplied the Wehrmacht with weapons, i.e. actually participated in the war against the USSR, but they are silent about her. And Poland is actually transferred to the camp of the enemy.
    So what happened between 2009 and 2015?
    1. Fat
      Fat 11 December 2020 18: 38
      +1
      There is no logical discrepancy in the quotations given by you, Sergey. It looks like you just picked them up badly. So, no inconsistency of words from 2005 to 2019 is observed. From the words follows:
      From the moral point of view, there is no justification for the "Pact"; from the point of view of a pragmatist, there is no need to justify at all. And to top it off, "What a howl? You yourself are!"
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 11 December 2020 17: 10
    +5
    Poland and the Moscow principality. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was swallowed up by Poland with the formation of the Commonwealth, and the Moscow principality. The history of the confrontation, who is in charge among the Slavs, goes into the darkness of centuries. Rzeczpospolita after unification with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was not a very frail power, but in terms of the number of Slavic population living in this power, it gave a big head start to the Moscow principality.
    The map was laid down so that Moscow won this dispute. But it could have been different. Poland was ruined by the inconceivable liberties of the gentry, the complete absence of power from the king, when during voting in the Diet, any nobleman who did not have a steel saber due to lack of money could say - "And I am against." And that's all. One is against, and no decision has been made.
    An interesting point. In Senkevich's trilogy, I think everyone knows it, the main characters are not ethnic Poles, but Lithuanians. There is one Pole, Pan Zagloba, a very anecdotal character.
    It turned out that in the dispute "Slavs among themselves", according to Pushkin, Moscow won. Naturally, they are unpleasant, we are conquerors in their eyes. From here everything ..
    And this is all too often, everywhere. The Irish, to put it mildly, do not burn with love for the English, like the Scots. But at least there are different ethnic groups.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 12 December 2020 15: 49
      +1
      By the way, the Scots and the Irish for a long time did not feel much sympathy for each other, despite the proximity of languages ​​and common origin. Scottish Protestants treated Irish Catholics as second class
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 12 December 2020 16: 35
        0
        That's just the point. Eh, a missed opportunity to elect Ivan the Terrible to the royal throne of Poland. If it happened, what would the world be like today? But Valois was elected, and that is what it is. But Ivan the Terrible is the king of Poland. The most powerful Slavic state, which simply has no equal. Eh ... It didn't work out.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 11 December 2020 17: 19
    +1
    Having gone to Catholicism, Poland was almost always the enemy of Muscovy, then Russia. Because after the Mongol invasion, after the Mongol invasion, the western half of the Russian lands claimed to have a power monopoly on all lands, and was actively supported in this by the West.
    And even having risen to its feet, Russia itself did not put Poland among its enemies conceptually, it even tried to ally (Grunwald, the Great Northern War), I cannot say this about Poland - it knows for sure that its enemy number 1 is Russia, be it a neighbor, suzerain, or even an ally against the Germans (enemy number 2 for the Poles, although it was with their light hand that unemployed German orders settled on the lands of Porus or otherwise Prussia, supposedly to protect them from pagans from the east).
  • Master
    Master 11 December 2020 17: 27
    +3
    With Poland? We must first establish relations with Ukraine. Why are Ukrainians and Russians who are Slavs. Can't get along together? Russia's policy is such that even the Slavic countries want to get away from it: Ukraine, Belarus, Slovenia, etc. what else to say about other countries ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 December 2020 17: 33
    0
    In order for Poland to become friendly, you need to take Warsaw again.
  • igorra
    igorra 11 December 2020 17: 44
    +1
    At least sometimes we are lucky with the elite, the Poles never.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 11 December 2020 17: 48
    0
    A new investigation of the Katyn case is needed. Joint, Russian-Polish. And without any outside interference. Exhumation and examination of all remains, bullets and cartridges is required. As well as documents that allegedly indicate our guilt.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 December 2020 18: 03
    0
    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia ...
    fooldo we need it? It has not been and will not be, so what to suck out of the finger, with the same success you can mold a friend from the USA.
    As long as Poland is a NATO member, an ally of the United States and Great Britain, one cannot count on its friendship.
    foolThere was no NATO under Grozny, and Poland was not a friend.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 11 December 2020 18: 11
    +1
    Maybe not everyone will like it I often visit Poland, my wife has a sister there And this is what I will say Simple Poles do not experience any problems with Russians Russophobia goes on at the highest level It is clear this and the historical roots But modern history is also understandable You see, we have a lot of problems, because we always say half-truths Katyn, they recognized them, they didn’t recognize them, they recognized them again at the highest level, and so on. Poles are Catholics and are very jealous of the memory of their ancestors. For today, we keep the wreckage of the crashed plane at the edge of the airfield and do not give it back, but recently in general They found out The place of the plane crash was surrounded by a fence with a thorn on the top and wrote in two languages ​​Private territory, the passage is temporarily closed Poles always visited this place, there were many flowers Voti think about whether this will give an impulse to the development of friendship Think about, in Warsaw they are carrying a monument to Soviet soldiers with a fence That's how And at the everyday level of Russophobia, no Drank beer with them and not only and no politics
  • Basior
    Basior 11 December 2020 19: 05
    +5
    What can Russia offer Poland?
    What is a civilization project?
    Partnership?
    Dear Russians, the only thing we can expect from you is the status of "Slavs", such inferior Russians. We must listen to you, keep our hands at the seams and learn to become Russian.
    And if these are not "Poles", Iskanders will turn you into a crater.
    Is this your suggestion?
    The Republic of the Free Peoples of Russia, Poland, Ukraine and Belarus would be an irresistible power.
    But who will make it so that they are free, free for the common good. You mentally do not want this, but today we do not have the strength for it.
    In the beginning, it remains for us to RESPECT. But the newcomers in power in you and with us will make sure that instead of mutual respect, there is mutual contempt.
    Greetings from Poland.
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 12 December 2020 08: 51
      0
      Isn't Poland now in the status of lower Europeans and has its hands at the seams in front of the United States? Germany has long dreamed of throwing off the ballast, but only the United States does not allow. There is no particular civilization in Europe and dubious values. The Russian government in relation to Poland is quite healthy. What cannot be said about Poland and some Poles, in Russia they did not forget how you met Russian football fans. The President of Russia constantly talks about respect, only the "partners" smile but do not want to do it, because for the Western hegemons colonization is civilization. More touches
      What is a civilization project?
      as in the auction of women with low social responsibility. Well, what does Poland itself not offer the project? Partnership? Therefore, I see no reason to be offended, why Russia communicates with Germany, France, China and the United States, but does not notice Poland.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 11 December 2020 19: 19
    +2
    Author:
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№
    And against this background, one cannot but think about whether a full-fledged friendship between the two countries is possible? Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia ...
    In fact, there are no particular obstacles to this friendship.

    This superficial conclusion of the author only testifies that he does not adequately assess the history of our relations, and therefore builds the illusion that everything will suddenly be miraculously formed, and there are no obstacles to this. This is a delusion, and one does not need to be a super-analyst to understand that in the foreseeable future our relations will only get worse, especially if a crisis arises in the EU and NATO. I think that they will more than once roll out to us demands to pay them compensation for the fact that the USSR liberated Poland from the Nazis - they are always ready for this.
  • NF68
    NF68 11 December 2020 19: 29
    0
    Poland is unlikely to have any friends at all. But Poland has always been someone's good slave. Before WWII, it was Great Britain, and then the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, the British were already in the background, and the United States took their place.
  • comradChe
    comradChe 11 December 2020 23: 27
    0
    Discretization of the Vatican and its head and the convergence of catalyticism and Orthodoxy are the only platform for the convergence of two kindred Slavic peoples. BUT, unfortunately, Orthodoxy in Russia is an extremely unhealthy cult. Very sorry.
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 12 December 2020 01: 44
    -1
    trade makes even implacable enemies "Friendly countries". (C)
    Everything else in the modern world is just noise.
    In fact, relations between Poland and the Russian Federation are better than that of the Russian Federation with its neighbors.
  • misti1973
    misti1973 12 December 2020 06: 23
    -2
    Dzerzhinsky strengthened? Are you out of your mind? The Bolsheviks are criminals worse than the Nazis! And he didn't do anything special! Before the Bolshevik coup it happened in different ways, after it, of course, none of the adequate politicians could like it, but none of them was especially cultivated, you just need to take into account the nature of the bourgeois press :) Then it was 1939! And if the author believes that after a stab in the back and the Katyn execution, one can treat the USSR well, then this looks like pathological sadism! Not a single normal person or state will allow themselves to be treated this way without any consequences. Otherwise, such a people will lose their right to exist. Then there was the occupation. Otherwise, they call it only stupid "quilted jackets" with a double system of values, whom I consider people to be sick to the heart. And our government understands perfectly well what propaganda program can be used, which is what it does. This is a disgusting approach, but they are smart bastards who the country is at a standstill, and now they do not know who to blame everything on! But those who listen and heed it, this is a stupid herd, who, other than the "gravediggers of Russia" - are mindless, incapable of anything and hating the whole world. Maybe it's time to get busy? Even after the death of Kaczynski, no Russophobia was observed there, so the people who sway this topic are either fools or scum!
  • sleeve
    sleeve 12 December 2020 07: 09
    0
    Why do we need friendship with Poland? First you need to understand that the current state of affairs in world politics is simple. Or are you for someone and he feeds you. Or not ... Of course there are sovereign countries, but independent countries in the full sense are already centers and nodes of power in the world. Those who fall into the zone of influence also fall into the elements of economics and politics. So why do we need billions of dollars in exchange for friendship, even with the Poles themselves?
    Is the balance now bad? The lack of close ties with Russia and the deployment of NATO troops on their territory makes their policies inflexible and weakens development prospects. And plus, of course, the aiming zone.
    Quite normal. We see the goal. We don't need to spend. It's a different matter if the movement starts from Poland itself ...
  • 1536
    1536 12 December 2020 10: 57
    0
    Poland cannot be a friendly country to Russia. Only in Russia there are any illusions about this.
  • iouris
    iouris 12 December 2020 11: 57
    +3
    First, Russia must make friends with itself.
  • Kuz
    Kuz 12 December 2020 12: 03
    +17
    Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia?

    Only with the full sovereignty of Poland and Russia. In the meantime, they only push their heads together
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 12 December 2020 15: 55
    +3
    No matter how we relate to the history and politics of Poland, the stupidest thing is to scoff
    over the Polish language and over the religious feelings of Catholic Poles.
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 December 2020 10: 20
      +1
      And no one mocks. Except for the scumbags.
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 12 December 2020 18: 30
    +1
    Poland must be destroyed at the first attempt to twitch
  • lot
    lot 12 December 2020 21: 57
    +1
    that Poland ..- forget. just right to think about Belarus (it was necessary), Ukraine is no longer in the subject. funny.
  • the same doctor
    the same doctor 25 December 2020 11: 36
    0
    "Can Poland be a friendly country to Russia"
    .
    Of course it can. To do this, it must be occupied and its people put in the leadership. Then, for a hundred years, weed out everyone who, at least with a hint, tarnished the bright image of Russia. And it is better to deport all Poles at once for the Oder.
  • LIB
    LIB 27 January 2021 12: 48
    0
    Russia is not interesting to anyone. The economy is destroyed, so is social policy. Only thieves are in power.
  • LIB
    LIB 12 February 2021 22: 14
    0
    Can. In Poland, just like in Russia, they hate capitalism. After the execution of Putin, the liquidation of the "elite", normal relations are quite possible.
    1. Growlers
      Growlers 16 February 2021 12: 58
      +6
      Would execute all not very smart people ... on both sides of the border then natural selection would have won, humanity would clearly have added
  • Growlers
    Growlers 16 February 2021 12: 57
    +5
    For some reason, the authors talking about the Russophobia of Poland always forget about the Catholic Church about the Vatican. But this is one of the main sources of Russophobia of the Poles and the Polish state. The positions of the Catholic Church in Poland have traditionally been strong and are still strong today. And without the Vatican, not a single campaign to the East of "united Europe" - from Napoleon to Hitler and Gorbachev
  • kondrat
    kondrat 20 February 2021 18: 52
    0
    Russia created Poland from a part of Germany (East Prussia + Silesia + West Prussia) and no thanks.