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The Mitrofan Moskalenko large landing craft caught fire at the 10th shipyard in Polyarny

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The Mitrofan Moskalenko large landing craft caught fire at the 10th shipyard in Polyarny

A fire broke out on board the Project 1174 Mitrofan Moskalenko large landing craft located on the territory of the Polyarny shipyard. According to the regional Ministry of Emergency Situations, the fire broke out in the hold of the ship.


The BDK is located at the fifth berth of the 10th shipyard in the city of Polyarny. The message about the fire was received at 11:55 am at the TsUKS GU EMERCOM of Russia in the Murmansk region. Specialized fire and rescue units and the military were involved in eliminating the fire.

In Polyarny (ZATO Aleksandrovsk) a hold is burning on an area of ​​20 sq. meters, four people were evacuated. Seven pieces of equipment are in operation, 25 people are involved in extinguishing

- said in a statement.

Note that the BDK Severny fleet "Mitrofan Moskalenko" of project 1174 "Rhino" in the spring of 2019 was sent for recycling, the ship went from Severomorsk to Murmansk in tow.

The BDK was laid down in 1984 and entered the fleet in 1990. In fact, this is a helicopter landing ship - dock. With a displacement of 14 thousand tons, the ship could take on board up to 50 tanks PT-76, 80 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, as well as up to 120 trucks. Equipment could be loaded in any combination. The ship calmly accommodated up to 500 landing personnel. The BDKs of this project are the only ones who could carry up to 4 helicopters on the flight deck.

In 2002, the BDK was withdrawn from the fleet and was in the reserve of the Kola Flotilla of the Northern Fleet. In 2014, after France's refusal to transfer the Mistral helicopter carriers to the Navy, the question of restoring the large landing craft was considered, but later it was decided to dispose of it, sending it in tow to Polyarny on May 8, 2019.
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  1. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 8 December 2020 16: 46
    +57
    In fact, the BDK served for 12 years .. what did they do with the Soviet fleet .. this simply cannot be said with decent words ..
    1. Machito
      Machito 8 December 2020 17: 50
      +5
      Yeah, never happened, and now again.
      1. Temples
        Temples 8 December 2020 18: 57
        +22
        It’s wild to write off a ship that has only been in service for 12 years.
        14 thousand tons!
        Some ships take longer to build than Mitrofan served.

        And most importantly, no one is to blame! The officials involved will certainly continue to "serve" the country.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 8 December 2020 17: 58
      +9
      So he was from 93 and did not serve, he was rotting and was a donor
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 9 December 2020 14: 51
      +1
      hi
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      12 years in fact, the BDK served

      Forgot to add - "TOTAL 12 years"
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 December 2020 16: 46
    +6
    Actually, the wrong decision about disposal! You need to build a replacement first, and then only remove the ship from the fleet! And, such a misfortune is that more and more often ships are burning in our country, the fate of which is either not determined, or going on needles. ..
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 December 2020 16: 53
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      the trouble is that our ships are burning more and more often

      "Listen!
      After all, if the stars are lit -
      means - it is necessary for someone?
      So - someone wants them to be?
      So - someone calls these spit
      a pearl?
      And, tearing up
      in the snowstorms of midday dust,
      breaks into God,
      afraid that he was late,
      crying,
      kisses his sinewy hand,
      asks -
      that there must have been a star! -
      swears -
      will not suffer this starless flour!
      And then
      walks alarming,
      but quiet outside.
      He says to someone:
      "After all, now you have nothing?
      Not scary?
      Yes?!"
      VV (Not Putin) Mayakovsky
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 8 December 2020 16: 55
      +28
      He stood at the pier for 18 years. There is no doubt - it was plundered inside and out.
      1. Svyatoslav Palchikov
        Svyatoslav Palchikov 8 December 2020 17: 26
        +3
        Most likely it is
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 December 2020 17: 29
        +1
        All the more surprising, why burn there? wassat
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 8 December 2020 17: 31
          -1
          Garbage left over from the robbers.
        2. ZIS
          ZIS 8 December 2020 17: 52
          +14
          And what can save Us from revision? ..
          1. impostor
            impostor 8 December 2020 18: 05
            0
            And what can save Us from revision? ..

            The fire will not hide everything, tea is not an arsenal, PM to the temple has long been out of fashion ... perhaps the project "Rainbow"?
      3. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 8 December 2020 17: 35
        +11
        Quote: UAZ 452
        There is no doubt - it was plundered inside and out.

        Here is a similar "Alexander Nikolaev" at the Pacific Fleet, everything that could be removed from the ship. Looted thoroughly.
        1. rumpeljschtizhen
          rumpeljschtizhen 8 December 2020 22: 37
          +5
          Very interesting video ... thanks was informative
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 9 December 2020 06: 40
            +1
            Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
            Very interesting video ... thanks was informative

            According to the law of "preserving everything and everything" it should be like this - if somewhere has disappeared, then somewhere has arrived. "Country-Russia" is a black hole in which the conservation law does not work. They drag everything, uproot (I remember the whole and then plundered "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk", five-storey buildings in Tihasa), dragged to their huts and barracks, lying around for years in the gardens, but does not bring wealth to anyone. This happens not only with the fleet, but all over the country - former factories and farms, wastelands and pipe frames. But the thieves themselves live in the same dumps and dugouts ...
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 9 December 2020 06: 48
              -3
              This happens not only with the fleet, but all over the country - former factories and farms, wastelands and pipe frames. But the thieves themselves live in the same dumps and dugouts ...

              Workers primarily look at the authorities ... if the authorities allow themselves to steal a couple of billions of any self-respecting civil servant who stuck to financial flows ... what do you want from ordinary citizens then. hiI'm not talking about the oligarchs, for whom what the hard workers drag is generally a conversation about nothing.
              1. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 9 December 2020 06: 54
                +7
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                ... what do you want from ordinary citizens then.

                I'm talking about the philosophy of being. How are "them"? Stole - Get a Knight (Francis Drake). And what about "us"? Stole, drank, to jail. Theft is a human genetic need. But how to use the results of theft is already a matter of education.
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 19
                +4
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                Workers look primarily at power.

                They always dragged ... under military communism, and under Stalin, and under Khrushchev, and under Brezhnev ... but under Brezhnev they dragged many times more! And what kind of power does the worker need then?
                pmkemcity is right .. you are the host, not the guest. Pull each nail, comrade! ... an old Soviet saying ...
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 9 December 2020 09: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Workers look primarily at power.

                  They always dragged ... under military communism, and under Stalin, and under Khrushchev, and under Brezhnev ... but under Brezhnev they dragged many times more! And what kind of power does the worker need then?
                  pmkemcity is right .. you are the host, not the guest. Pull each nail, comrade! ... an old Soviet saying ...

                  ===
                  let's say that it is honest and fair (where can we get such), but will the worker work well and honestly?
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 9 December 2020 10: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: Victorio
                    Will the worker work well and honestly?

                    I would say ... this is the main question!
                    Quote: Victorio
                    honest and fair

                    Power cannot be honest and fair ... those in power and subordinates have different needs ...
                    1. Victorio
                      Victorio 9 December 2020 10: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Power cannot be honest and fair... authorities and subjects have different requests ...

                      ===
                      maybe if everyone is honest and fair. then, in fact, the power will be purely nominal
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 9 December 2020 10: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: Victorio
                        if everyone is honest and fair

                        This is utopian surrealism! bully
              3. sniperino
                sniperino 9 December 2020 10: 45
                0
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                Workers first of all look at the authorities ... if the authorities allow themselves to steal a couple of billions any self-respecting civil servant who stuck to financial flows ... then what do you want from ordinary citizens
                Citizen! Be sure to go to the UK and write all this in more detail there: who exactly was looked at, how much, where and how he stole, how much, where and how you stole. It will be accepted.
          2. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 9 December 2020 12: 53
            +3
            Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
            Very interesting video ... thanks was informative

            Please, here is yesterday's photo of "Mitrofan Moskalenko".
      4. Smirnoff
        Smirnoff 8 December 2020 22: 24
        +16
        Quote: UAZ 452
        He stood at the pier for 18 years. There is no doubt - plundered inside and out

        In the late 90s, the zip was taken out of it - he himself participated. And the crew seems to have been scattered across the Northern Fleet in 95
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 9 December 2020 11: 47
          +1
          So that's what I wrote about, since 93 I've been in a joke. After the Marines on the Northern Fleet were controversial, whom should he drop.
      5. Grits
        Grits 9 December 2020 10: 27
        0
        Quote: UAZ 452
        There is no doubt - plundered from and

        Can I rob there to replace another ship? After all, there are only two such ships
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 8 December 2020 18: 00
      -7
      Well, of course, it would be better if he fell apart on the campaign or sank, with the landing. Just like that, decisions are not made from the bulldozer, but the state and condition of the metal. Moreover, the Polish shipyard is no longer where it could be restored
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 20
        +2
        Quote: K-612-O
        Moreover, the Polish shipyard is no longer where it could be restored

        It was built in Kaliningrad ...
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 8 December 2020 18: 04
      +9
      Ruled out. He was a corpse. After 2014 a corpse with a guarantee. For it was possible to capitalize turbines with the replacement of elements only at Zora. And now it is the only company that does overhaul of M12 turbines. This is if that 70s.

      Refurbishment for the sake of one large landing ship is simply incredibly expensive.

      Usually the ships that have already died are burning, but the Navy / USC are afraid to tell the public about it.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 26
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Refurbishment for the sake of one large landing ship is simply incredibly expensive.

        To this must be added the difficult task of the whole-unit replacement of the gas turbine engine!
    5. Serg65
      Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      You need to build a replacement first, and then only remove the ship from the fleet!

      Will I replace a ship that does not even have the ability to leave the berth itself?
  3. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 8 December 2020 16: 53
    +9
    It's just a pity that we ruined such ships. I saw his brother "Ivan Rogov" in Baltiysk - impressive ...
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 8 December 2020 22: 03
      -1
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      It's just a pity that we ruined such ships. I saw his brother "Ivan Rogov" in Baltiysk - impressive ...

      And how old are you?
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: SovAr238A
        And how old are you?

        laughing 104 ... and you? ... I saw the same not only Rogov, but Nikolaev ...
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      it's a pity that we ruined such ships

      Igor, have you ever wondered why there are only 3 Rhinos in the series?
  4. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 8 December 2020 16: 54
    -1
    In 1990 he became a part of the fleet, and since 2002 - laid up. Yeah ... Our country is rich. Was it absolutely impossible to convert it into a ferry for civilian lines? For the same line, St. Petersburg - Kaliningrad, for example.
    1. faiver
      faiver 8 December 2020 17: 03
      +13
      Was it absolutely impossible to convert it into a ferry for civilian lines?
      - your proposal at the level of the type to plow on tanks ...
      1. Hog
        Hog 8 December 2020 17: 13
        +3
        Quote: faiver
        Was it absolutely impossible to convert it into a ferry for civilian lines?
        - your proposal at the level of the type to plow on tanks ...

        So after WWII, obsolete tanks were disarmed and used, among other things, for plowing fields.
        1. faiver
          faiver 8 December 2020 18: 11
          +5
          I'm sorry, but this is a Batwa, do you have any idea the difference between the operating costs of a tractor and a tank?
          After the civil war, this happened due to technical denseness ...
          1. Temples
            Temples 8 December 2020 19: 09
            0
            Quote: faiver
            After the civil war, this happened due to technical denseness ...

            What happened after the civil war?
            Neither tanks nor tractors were encountered after the civil war, because before the war our peasants had neither tractors, let alone tanks.

            With all due respect to technology, you need to know how to plow on a tractor.
            Know where to attach what, where and what to pour, what to press and what to steer.
            A tractor is not a damn horse and will not eat oats.

            And to plow on a tank, a tractor driver needs to drink a lot,
            And there were no tractor drivers. wink
            For a civil war does not prepare tractor drivers, but kills peasants by the millions.
            1. faiver
              faiver 8 December 2020 19: 37
              +13
              after the civil war, we had trophies, both British marks and French Renault, and our valiant communards plowed on tanks
      2. cmax
        cmax 8 December 2020 22: 39
        +5
        Quote: faiver
        Was it absolutely impossible to convert it into a ferry for civilian lines?
        - your proposal at the level of the type to plow on tanks ...

        The man offered to act like a master with the ship, and not a moronic one. What surprises you so!
        1. faiver
          faiver 8 December 2020 22: 46
          +1
          As a business, it was necessary to return it to the fleet in proper condition, but to start it up for civilian work or keep it at the berth for 18 years and write it off as a moron ... hi
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 December 2020 18: 10
      +12
      And do you know a lot of gas turbine ferries? It will be justified unless the Aurus or Rolls-Royces can be transported, or the Sheikhs can afford it.

      In capitalism, the BDK has two problems at once - it is very expensive (a lot of team people, a small resource of turbines, a high cost of a mile), very impractical (it doesn't fit much, any Chinese ferry for 20 million will do it in terms of efficiency).
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 12 December 2020 19: 27
        0
        Thanks for the substantive answer.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 9 December 2020 09: 32
      +4
      Quote: UAZ 452
      Was it absolutely impossible to convert it into a ferry for civilian lines? For the same line, St. Petersburg - Kaliningrad, for example.

      Even if they managed to replace the old GTUs with new ones of the same series, how economically profitable would the ferry project be?
  5. Fitter65
    Fitter65 8 December 2020 16: 54
    +5
    At the 10th shipyard in Polyarny, the large landing ship "Mitrofan Moskalenko"

    What a trifle, we have from a super-secret plane, the secret blocks were stolen, and then some old BMK caught fire,
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 8 December 2020 17: 02
      -9
      Well, first of all, everything secret was removed from the plane even before transportation to the plant. Secondly sloppiness is unfortunately inherent in all countries. At the Americans, travakura drug addicts watched nuclear weapons who could fire these missiles at us on a cigarette.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 8 December 2020 17: 11
        +14
        Quote: Fungus
        Well, first of all, everything secret was removed from the plane even before transportation to the plant.

        And the secrecy label? The fact that they removed all the secret (but surely they removed everything?) Well done !!! And the fact that blocks / devices / parts / components are being stolen from an airplane from which the president can lead the whole country - this does not happen even in Ukraine. Tryndyat here for us, as in Ukraine, is not cabbage, but here once and a cesspool ...
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 8 December 2020 17: 17
          -21%
          In Ukraine, they are even worse selling documentation with factories from left to right. The cesspool is you.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 8 December 2020 23: 55
            +4
            Quote: Fungus
            In Ukraine, they are even worse selling documentation with factories from left to right. The cesspool is you.

            They sell this one thing, but when it is taken out from the protected object it is different. And do not poke at unfamiliar people, especially since we did not sit down on the same hectare to fertilize the soil ...
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 9 December 2020 11: 02
          0
          Quote: Fitter65
          this does not happen even in Ukraine
          In a couple of weeks it had already become a meme. You are being trained to drive the wave like football fans or something.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 9 December 2020 11: 43
            0
            Quote: sniperino
            In a couple of weeks it had already become a meme. You are being trained to drive the wave like football fans or something.

            Yeah, they train our authorities together with the media. As you listen to them, how good it is with us, it makes a tear. True, it is not clear with what joy we have on Monday at the "Flagman" 92nd again by 15 kopecks rose in price, but for the fact that everything is fine, I'm glad ... By the way, I'm not a fan of the games of millionaires ...
      2. shahor
        shahor 8 December 2020 17: 36
        0
        Quote: Fungus
        Well, first of all, everything secret was removed from the plane even before transportation to the plant.

        Are you saying that -... everything has already been stolen before us ?.
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 8 December 2020 17: 51
          -7
          Before sending for upgrades. The secret equipment is removed. Who are you up to? By the way, they stole 30 radios there. Jamb of plant protection. Most likely the hard workers or the security itself ...
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 8 December 2020 17: 58
            +15
            Not walkie-talkies, but blocks of radio stations. They are in equipment racks. They ripped out and stole. The best version if for tantalum, platinum and other interesting materials.

            Even the equipment itself is secret.

            And yet, they have leaked all their security in the tender documentation.

            Interesting that in procurement documentation You can find a detailed plan of the airport and the location of all security posts. It shows all the checkpoints, the location of the rapid response teams and even the surveillance cameras..

            And there not only special boards graze, but also, for example, the A-100 gets up on the wing. Or was the secret equipment removed from him too? wassat


            This year, the first Tu-95MSM flew, under the latest missiles, with a new on-board radar, a new ZGTsU transmission and reception system.


            If the homeless people there cut off payments for precious metals from the VKP, then what could the profile guys from Langley have done with boards on other key defense topics? wink
            1. Fungus
              Fungus 8 December 2020 18: 04
              -12%
              Throw off proofs where everything is written about it. Unless you came up with it, of course.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 8 December 2020 18: 15
                +13
                For what? Why did they merge the documentation?
                https://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?regNumber=32009082631

                Documents and Notices - Agreement of the Ministry of Transport 1.pdf - below there is an inventory of all posts and a diagram wink

                Or the fact that Beriev is leading the topic of A-100, A-50U, Tu-142M3, Tu-95MSM ???
                1. Fungus
                  Fungus 8 December 2020 18: 21
                  -16%
                  Blocks of radio stations do not represent these secrets. So do not worry. All the secret was removed. And about the fact that they stole the documentation, I have not found anywhere. Only radio stations are not secret.
                  1. cmax
                    cmax 8 December 2020 22: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Fungus
                    Blocks of radio stations do not represent these secrets. So do not worry. All the secret was removed. And about the fact that they stole the documentation, I have not found anywhere. Only radio stations are not secret.

                    Yes, you and for you does not represent everything, except for the dachas of the oligarchs
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 8 December 2020 18: 19
                +12
                Quote: Fungus
                Throw off proofs where everything is written about it. Unless you came up with it, of course.

                It is written about this on State Purchases. Here is the Contract (pdf):
                https://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/download/download.html?id=61357741
                See Appendices - there is both a plan-scheme and the location of airfield posts.

                This is not the first time in the public procurement. Earlier, as part of a tender for the repair and strengthening of roads, patrol routes of one of the PGRK divisions and data on its rearmament with new complexes with a conveyor scheme were published there.
                And the most enchanting flight was when a tender for servicing the command missiles of the "Perimeter" was posted on the State Purchases - and at a time when the country's leadership said that the system was removed from the database.
            2. sedoj
              sedoj 8 December 2020 19: 23
              +3
              Quote: donavi49
              If the homeless people there cut off payments for precious metals from the VKP, then what could the profile guys from Langley have done with boards on other key defense topics?

              Exactly. And if there are also bookmarks made?
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 8 December 2020 22: 05
            +4
            Quote: Fungus
            Before sending for upgrades. The secret equipment is removed. Who are you up to? By the way, they stole 30 radios there. Jamb of plant protection. Most likely the hard workers or the security itself ...

            What kind of upgrade?
            The plane stood there for a long time. DISPOSAL...
  6. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 December 2020 17: 01
    +10
    In April 2020, Mitrofan Moskalenko looked like this:
  7. faiver
    faiver 8 December 2020 17: 05
    -3
    So what prevented the restoration and modernization of the ship in the bright 2000s?
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 8 December 2020 17: 14
      +10
      Quote: faiver
      So what prevented the restoration and modernization of the ship in the bright 2000s?

      So by that time Russia and the West had a "peace-friendship-chewing gum". BDK were not needed, and maybe someone "suggested" that they are not needed. Well, and then the story with the "Mistrals" was.

      Well who would have thought that our potential friends would throw us !? (sarcasm).
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 8 December 2020 17: 33
      +5
      Quote: faiver
      That what prevented to restore and modernize the ship in the bright 2000s?

      Babos not enough... After all, in 1998 the default was "celebrated". The treasury was empty, and then they repaid loans to the IMF ahead of schedule and paid off other debts for all the republics of the USSR, repaying them finally only in 2017 or in 2018, simultaneously forming a national welfare fund, which we are now gradually starting to spend in connection with the current crisis. Now it is probably cheaper and more expedient to build a new large landing craft than to restore a thirty-year-old one.
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 December 2020 17: 37
        +1
        now yes, but 15 years ago no ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 8 December 2020 17: 44
          +5
          Quote: faiver
          now yes, but 15 years ago no ...

          So that would be yes, but apparently they expected to get a replacement for something like the "Mistrals", with which they actually flew. Maybe fortunately, since this fact became an inspiration for those in power in the sense that it would be necessary to restore and load their shipyards with work, so as not to depend on the whims of the "partners".
    3. Crane
      Crane 8 December 2020 20: 08
      0
      So what prevented the restoration and modernization of the ship in the bright 2000s?
      ==
      If the case is rotten, then nothing is being upgraded.
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 December 2020 20: 18
        0
        I doubt that it rotted in the early 2000s, but now it is understandable to rush about late ...
    4. Lesorub
      Lesorub 8 December 2020 21: 52
      +5
      Quote: faiver
      So what prevented the restoration and modernization of the ship in the bright 2000s?

      Partners pay well for write-off, disposal and long, very long repairs of one or another military or auxiliary equipment - they are "Partners" - loot does not smell))
    5. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 8 December 2020 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      So what prevented the restoration and modernization of the ship in the bright 2000s?

      It could not be restored ...
      and even more so to modernize.

      It was cheaper to build a new ship.
      Much cheaper.
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 December 2020 22: 42
        -1
        I doubt the ship needed a major restoration in the first half of the 2000s
        And it is by no means cheaper to build here, the construction of the large landing craft "Pyotr Morgunov" with a displacement of 5 thousand. tons cost us about 160 million. dollars and 14 years of construction, Chinese DVDKD project 071 with a displacement of 19 thousand. tons cost in the export version 130 million. dollars, the Indonesian DVDKD type "Tarlak" with a displacement of 7,5 thousand. tons costs from 30 to 40 million. dollars. As they say, the numbers speak for themselves
  8. Svyatoslav Palchikov
    Svyatoslav Palchikov 8 December 2020 17: 24
    +2
    It's a pity that the ship is not that old, it could have served even after a major overhaul. Although I am certainly not aware of the real state of the boat, a large geraphm, as they say, is better
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 December 2020 17: 27
    -2
    Is it such a trolling from heaven, with a check for lice? Are we discussing two fires on naval ships in one day? Nada people compare in detail who will write what.
  10. Dimonk
    Dimonk 8 December 2020 17: 45
    0
    Here it is, the competent leadership of the Supreme negative He still has to serve and serve, and his for scrap metal. Despite the fact that there is no replacement for such ships and will not soon be am
  11. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 8 December 2020 19: 51
    +7
    Ten, like the city of Polyarny, around the corner from Snezhnogorsk (Vyuzhny) SRZ "Nerpa". I have been in those parts.
    True, the situation on the top ten was catastrophically not favorably different then from our "Nerpa". Perhaps because of the directors of factories and their professionalism. As a result, half of the "dozen from Polarinsk" worked with us then.
    On the very top ten, the remnants of the collective traded mainly by cutting cables from steamers and other flowers.
    People must live somehow ...
    What I liked there was the covered PD. This advantageously distinguished them from our open PD15 and Pallada. There is probably no need to answer why.
    But, this is all lyrics.
    Essentially the issue.
    If the steamer is in the process of cutting, then it will burn two / three times a day. This is an absolutely normal condition.
    True, they hardly began to cut him right from the hold.
    This is what a new method of cutting a ship ...
    It is quite possible - gentlemen, the peasants have thought of something ... Yes, it turned out imprudently ... what
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 8 December 2020 19: 51
    +4
    The large landing craft "Mitrofan Moskalenko" has been in operation for 11 years out of 30, and the rest of the time it stood at the quay wall. Yes, it's cool with ships of this type, we don't build such new ones, and we don't repair the old ones.
  13. Hog
    Hog 8 December 2020 23: 23
    +3
    Quote: faiver
    I'm sorry, but this is a Batwa, do you have any idea the difference between the operating costs of a tractor and a tank?
    After the civil war, this happened due to technical denseness ...

    This is how, first of all, your expression
    - your proposal at the level of the type to plow on tanks ..
    does not have any connection to Russia, just like mine
    So after WWII, obsolete tanks were disarmed and used, among other things, for plowing fields.
    so "batwa" is just your conclusion
    After the civil war, this happened due to technical denseness ...
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    Is it enough?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 December 2020 01: 20
      0
      Well, did they have enough motor resources for a long time?
      1. swzero
        swzero 9 December 2020 01: 49
        +5
        and what's the difference how much the resource will last if the tank is conditionally free, because all the same will then go to disposal. Higher fuel consumption, again, pays off because there is no need to build / buy a tractor. And the resource is not so sad - they also put B2 on civilian equipment - tractors and mining dump trucks. Again, without a turret with weapons, the load on the transmission and chassis is lower.
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 9 December 2020 21: 48
      0
      Fuel was clearly more expensive than worn-out armored vehicles - its engines run on a very lean mixture and there is practically no exhaust smoke.
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 9 December 2020 10: 24
    +1
    Of the three Rhinos there is NOTHING left ... It's inconvenient to write mats, and there are no more decent words left ..
  15. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 9 December 2020 12: 20
    0
    Welders against the Northern Fleet?
  16. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 11 December 2020 13: 53
    0
    Something is often burning !!!