Opposition of Armenia led citizens to actions of disobedience

Massive actions of disobedience began in Armenia, the opposition calls on the people to take to the streets. The reason for this was the expiration of the ultimatum demanding Nikol Pashinyan's resignation.

As we can see, Pashinyan did not resign. Consequently, from this moment until 17:00 (16:00 Moscow time), the citizens of Armenia have the legitimate right to peaceful actions of civil disobedience.

- declared in opposition.

Ishkhan Saghatelyan, a member of the Dashnaktsutyun party, addressed the people with a televised address, in which he asked the protesters to act within the law, not to succumb to provocations, and the law enforcement agencies to ensure the right of the residents of Armenia to peaceful actions.

Nichol, you will leave anyway. Leave without shocks, at least now take care of our people, state and statehood, do not undermine the internal life of our country. Your departure is vital for our people and state

- he added.

Protest actions began in the capital, as well as in other large cities of Armenia. In Yerevan, protesters blocked the city center, numerous traffic jams formed, and the metro was blocked. Security officials began arresting protesters.

On December 5, 17 opposition parties demanded that Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and his team resign by noon on December 8. If the demands are not met, the opposition threatened to start peaceful actions of disobedience throughout Armenia.

The day before, the head of the church, the Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, addressed Pashinyan with a request to resign.

Comments

[credo]

Unusually, Western countries have not yet even voted for Pashinyan. Apparently they wrote it off as waste material. Did he still not understand this.

[Incvizitor]

The West there will now be pushing its other slave, this one is very "disgraced" and they will not want to lose the colony.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Incvizitor

The West there will now be pushing its other slave, this one is very "disgraced" and they will not want to lose the colony.

We need to take advantage of the confusion and push our slave to the premiere.

[Incvizitor]

We feed all the countries forever, but the FSA, on the contrary, feed only their illegal junta in the occupied countries, and the people are simply exploited, ripped off like a stick, and they themselves profit from this.

[Reserve buildbat]

He just didn't live up to expectations. Russia did not come to this war either. Now they will push a new "it"

[Alex777]

Serzh Sargsyan said that he did not understand why Lukashenko made public the conversation about the Aliyevs' offer of $ 5 billion in exchange for the regions around Karabakh.
It would seem that what does Lukashenka care about Armenia now. And he took it, remembered everything that happened in 2016 and voiced it.
Apparently so that no one in Armenia and in the West doubted that Pashinyan took $ from Aliyev.
The West has a fallback - the current President of Armenia.

[Avior]

Sargsyan confirmed that this proposal was really there?

[Alex777]

Yes. This is the whole joke. He confirmed that there was a conversation, but it was not good that he was voiced - the conversation was private.

[Avior]

The question was not at all private
Or did I misunderstand, and the money was not offered to Armenia, but personally to Sargsyan?
Nobody stopped him from transferring them to Armenia

[Alex777]

The conversation was not for publicity.
And it was disclosed only now. For some reason.
From the conversation ("Aliyev gives you"), one can understand what was offered personally.
If money were offered to Armenia - why remember it now?

[Avior]

no one prevented Sargsyan from giving this money to Armenia, this is not an argument.
And not for razglazheniya, it's politics.

[Alex777]

First, you need to get that kind of money.
To do this, you must fulfill the conditions of the giver and not be left without your head. This is not a gift.
Have you ever given that kind of money?
Judging by the ease with which you argue, no.
Nothing personal. Just a statement of fact.

[Avior]

and someone confirmed that they offered him personally, or did you decide to understand this?
How do you even imagine - 5 billion in a suitcase and even through such an intermediary?
So far, I see that if money was offered to Armenia, Sarksyan did a huge foolishness.
And if he personally is doubly stupid, he behaved like a dog in the manger, substituting all the Armenians.

[Alex777]

no one prevented Sargsyan from giving this money to Armenia, this is not an argument.

and someone confirmed that they offered him personally, or did you decide to understand this?

You yourself said about "giving to Armenia". I'm talking about that.
And about why Lukashenka spoke about the conversation with Sargsyan right now.

[Avior]

understandably. if this is so, then he behaved even worse - he did not take money for himself, and he did not solve the problem, although there were all chances

[Alex777]

So we understood each other about Sargsyan.
And now the next question: did Aliyev offer 5 billion to Pashinyan? I would venture to suggest that yes.
And if you look at everything that has happened in Armenia and NKR over the past 2 years through this "prism", you get an interesting picture.
In any case, Pashinyan's lobbied purchase of the Su-30 instead of the TORs looks ambiguous.

[Avior]

I would venture to suggest that yes. wink

and what is your assumption based on?
Aliyev had a choice - to spend money on armaments or just pay it to Armenia.
He has already spent.
not to mention the fact that so far there is no evidence that the proposal was personally to Sargsyan

Pashinyan's lobbied purchase of the Su-30 instead of the TORs looks ambiguous.

there was nothing like this, under the Su-30 there was a targeted loan, this is well known

[Alex777]

there was nothing like this, under the Su-30 there was a targeted loan, this is well known

If you are not aware of something, this does not mean that it was not.
This is common knowledge.

He believes that the sky of Artsakh would be much protected if at one time two additional divisions of the "Tor" air defense missile system were purchased, which was previously planned. But the authorities decided to use this money to buy Su-30 SM fighters, which did not play the necessary role in this conflict. The purchase of "dryers" instead of "Thors" was the biggest mistake, the general said.

Read more: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20201119/25408246/Akopyan-poyasnil-kak-udalos-vremenno-oslepit-drony-protivnika-v-Karabakhe.html

[Avior]

I know.
Pashinyan dismissed this Hakobyan from the post of Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia, he will tell you nothing like that.
Let him tell you why he, when he was chief of the General Staff, did not buy these Torahs, the Russian loan was with him.

[Alex777]

Pashinyan dismissed this Hakobyan from the post of Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia, he will tell you nothing like that.

Even the Catholicos of Armenians demanded Pashinyan's resignation. So what?
The dismissed general voiced an opinion with which I completely agree. Earlier, when he was at the service, he was silent.
Now he said. He's not on duty, is he?
I don't see anything strange in his behavior.

As it became known to Kommersant, shortly before the change of power in Armenia, the Ministry of Defense of the country postponed the issue of purchasing Russian multifunctional Su-30SM fighters until 2024. The contract, implying the supply of at least one squadron to the Armenian Air Force, was signed in 2012, but never entered into force due to the financial difficulties of the customer. According to Kommersant's information, Russia expects to implement the agreement with the new leadership of Armenia. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has already sat in the cockpit of the Su-30SM and called the fighter "one of the best in the world."

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3661942

[Avior]

Why didn't he buy Torah while he was at the service before Pashinyan?
who was stopping him?

[Alex777]

Reread above. They did not buy the Su-30, they did buy the TOPs.
Pashinyan sat in the cockpit and bought the planes.
Sorry, there is no time for further discussion of this simple question. Need to work.

[Avior]

that is, he did not buy these planes, because they did not give a loan for them, only because of this.
Pashinyan was given.
Why didn't Hakobyan buy these Torahs in 2016-18, who got in the way?
In 2016 Armenia Iskander bought ...
And Pashinyan, when he arrived, immediately increased the military budget by half.
but he could not fix everything that he had done in 30 years.

[Alex777]

And Pashinyan, when he arrived, immediately increased the military budget by half.
but he could not fix everything that he had done in 30 years.

I understood you. Pashinyan corrected, and before him heaped up.
I have no more questions.

[Avior]

misunderstood.
but this is your business.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: credo

Apparently they wrote it off as waste material. Did he still not understand this.

He put the X with the device, and its owners on the protesters. Yerevan will see its 93rd year and the execution of parliament, and then they will vote ... or lose.

[Thrifty]

They remind the Ueroinians, they also "love" kings "to change their own? What, the Pashinyan helped you with Soros? What, the Armenians, forgot how you shouted that the Pashinyans were yours, how joyfully they hooted in the backs of the Russians, whom the Pashinyans began to actively expel from Armenia under By any pretext, or without it? You shouted that you will have an economy and a standard of living many times better than the Russian, but here you are closer to the Stone Age than before joining the European Union, or, God forbid, to NATO!

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

What prevents them from living normally ???

[air defense]

Why did they not volunteer en masse while the war was going on. Here, videos of the atrocities of Azerbaijanis began to appear on the network, in particular, two soldiers cut off the head of an Armenian old man, and in fact Russia once again saved Armenians from the massacre that Azerbaijanis would have staged if the military campaign continued.

[Thrifty]

Airdefense - in war, they can kill, but here in the crowd all the heroes, they want a new king, forgetting how they shouted that Pashinyan is Armenian everything!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

forgetting how they shouted that Pashinyan is Armenian everything!

They shouted a lot more

[Thrifty]

Pyramidon Stepan now they have global sclerosis

[Alexey-74]

It is possible that Pashinyan did not justify the hopes placed on him, and now his replacement is being prepared, the whole question is who is now behind the screen of the performance.

[MMX]

He seems to have done everything right, but he was retired. Ungrateful people. Definitely.

[zwlad]

Late to drink Borjomi ...

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Airdefense

Why did they not volunteer en masse while the war was going on. Here, videos of the atrocities of Azerbaijanis began to appear on the network, in particular, two soldiers cut off the head of an Armenian old man, and in fact Russia once again saved Armenians from the massacre that Azerbaijanis would have staged if the military campaign continued.

Have you seen the video where the Armenians cut the head of an Azerbaijani prisoner with his hands tied or beat a seriously wounded Azerbaijani soldier with a rifle butt? Or are you looking for something else?

[air defense]

I don’t understand it somehow justifies that the Azerbaijanis cut off the head of an Armenian old man? Or do you doubt that the Azerbaijanis would not have carried out ethnic cleansing?

[MoJloT]

[/ quote] they beat a seriously wounded Azerbaijani soldier with a rifle butt.? [/ quote] It's terrible, but if the soldier was seriously wounded, then it is no longer a jelly in captivity [quote] they cut the head of an Azerbaijani prisoner [/ quote] It's even worse, but these are soldiers you have to understand the circumstances. The Azerbaijani army is still remembered for the war with the civilians.

[Scorpio05]

With the peace wars, the Armenians and the Armenian army have always been remembered since the time of the first Karabakh war. The Armenians blew up the metro in Baku twice (they also blew up civilian planes, helicopters, trains and buses), massacred Azerbaijani women and children in Khojaly, Karadaghly, Aghdaban, Jemilli, Kosaly, Baganis Ayrum. They plundered and destroyed all the occupied Azerbaijani cities to the ground, including: Agdam, Fizuli, Jabrayil, Kubadli. They cut down forests there and in Karabakh itself, in Shusha, for example, in Lachin and Kelbajar.
During this war, ballistic missiles and Tornadoes (with prohibited cluster fillers) were fired at peaceful quarters (usually late at night) in Ganja, Barda, Tartar and many other peaceful Azerbaijani cities far from the front line. About 100 civilians were killed, including. and small (up to one year old) children. The Armenians tried (firing from the OTRK) to destroy the Mingechaur state district power station and the dam, so that hundreds of thousands and millions of Azerbaijanis died under water, but only thanks to the Azerbaijani air defense system, they failed to do this.

[hwostatij]

The Armenians tried (firing from the OTRK) to destroy the Mingechaur state district power station and the dam, so that hundreds of thousands and millions of Azerbaijanis died under water, but only thanks to the Azerbaijani air defense system, they failed to do this.

The prize for the most enchanting nonsense in the studio!

[askort154]

The US Embassy staff per capita in Armenia is one of the highest in the world. More than 2000 employees. (There are 60 people in the Russian embassy). The occupied area for the buildings is 42 hectares, like the area of ​​the Vatican. In Ukraine in 2013 there were 600, when they completed their task, they were laid off, now there are 80 US employees there. So, if the Americans do not keep Pashinyan in the chair, they will replace him with a backup.

[Baloo]

Pashinyan failed, failed to drag Russia into an armed conflict with Azerbajan.
I've been thinking about one fact. In recent years, incompetent upstarts have been striving for leaders of different countries. Biden is picking up the same team for himself, the question is, who is the shadow US government? Mikron, Zelensky, Porosenko, Pashinyan ... The list is long. And Madame the kept woman of the European Union is ready to take power in Belarus, or Mrs. Sandu with two passports. Moreover, foreign citizens find themselves in the government of the once developed countries, and this is not only Ukraine. In this regard, the question arises about whether the coronavirus appeared by chance and who is the US sergeant who became the first victim, after which Obama closed the topic, and Trump opened it.

[kit88]

In recent years, incompetent upstarts have been striving for leaders of different countries.

It's clear business. According to their philosophy, countries should be headed by weak personalities, without ambitions. A sort of middle managers. Which themselves do not decide anything, and about which no one even knew "a year ago". These are easier to manage. No generals with divisions behind their backs, no Erdogans should rule countries, this is dangerous. "Tikhanovskie" is our everything!
Can you imagine a person who is not a gynecologist by profession, but a descendant of Bismarck will come to the post of Chancellor.
Such a person can hit the table with his fist and ask: "Where is the money, Billy ©, where is our money?"

[Igoresha]

let the storm break out stronger (c)

[iouris]

What are the "citizens"? The state no longer exists.

[rusich]

Why doesn't Soros save the magpie? Or has already written it off for soap

[Baloo]

Quote: rusich

Why doesn't Soros save the magpie? Or has already written it off for soap

The porridge is not ready yet, it is only boiling. The IMF will send its advisers, they will tell who will be the next clown, put their signatures. As in Ukraine and Moldova.

[tihonmarine]

Interesting people, several years ago with the same stubbornness and persistence, rallied, shouted, beat each other's noses and faces - "For Pashinyan!", And now the same thing, "Get rid of Pashinyan!" And when were they right, then, or now? But they do not forget to say and ask "Are you Russia for us or not?"

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Airdefense

I don’t understand it somehow justifies that the Azerbaijanis cut off the head of an Armenian old man? Or do you doubt that the Azerbaijanis would not have carried out ethnic cleansing?

There were virtually no civilians there. It is simply surprising that no such indignation was heard when the Armenians staged ethnic cleansing against the Azerbaijani civilian population in Karabakh itself and 7 Azerbaijani regions, expelling 1 million Azerbaijanis from there, and some of them were completely destroyed, and in the most brutal way. Where were you all the guardians then?

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Hwostatij

The Armenians tried (firing from the OTRK) to destroy the Mingechaur state district power station and the dam, so that hundreds of thousands and millions of Azerbaijanis died under water, but only thanks to the Azerbaijani air defense system, they failed to do this.

The prize for the most enchanting nonsense in the studio!

Are you talking about your writing?
1. "Representatives of Azerbaijan stated that Armenia fired at the cities of Mingechevir and Terter, as well as the Khizi and Absheron regions. There are wounded."
Source: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4519447#id1953226
2. "Footage of the consequences of the shelling of a hydroelectric power station in Azerbaijan appeared on the Internet
Published footage shows an unexploded missile, a shell crater and a damaged building. Azerbaijan blamed Armenia for the attack "...
Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/10/2020/5f7a35e79a79478f21ec78f1
3. "Azerbaijan also reports about shelling of cities: on Sunday, according to official reports, rockets fell on the large cities of Ganja and Mingechevir located to the north of Karabakh, and even, according to Azerbaijanis, on the Caspian coast, near Baku; on Monday, to the east of Karabakh the cities of Barda, Agjabadi and Beylagan. "
Source: https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-54426564
4. "Aide to the President of Azerbaijan Hikmet Hajiyev reported on the shelling of Mingachevir on the evening of October 4. In his twitter he called it" the state terror of Armenia against the civilian population of Azerbaijan "and recalled that there is a water reservoir and" the main hydroelectric power station "in the city. Later, the General Prosecutor's Office of Azerbaijan reported that as a result of the missile strike five people were injured. According to the ministry, three missiles fell on the city, but two of them did not explode. "
Unexploded missile MLRS "Smerch" at the power unit of the Mingechevir hydroelectric power station, October 5, 2020. Photo: Valery Sharifulin / TASS
Source: https://mbk-news.appspot.com/suzhet/sudba-mingechevirskoj-ges/

[Avior]

Sargsyan's office confirmed that Aliyev gave 5 billion and agreed to the peacekeepers.
Sargsyan thus missed an ideal chance for Armenia to solve the Karabakh problem.
A huge infusion into the Armenian economy - their budget is only 2,5 billion - ensuring the security of Armenians in Karabakh without the slightest expense from Armenia, the opportunity to dramatically reduce military spending and deal with the Armenian economy - the chance was so ideal that it is simply not believed that a person could have done such an amazing stupidity and let it slip that now the Armenians were hit hard - the dead, the economy is in the corral, Karabakh remained with Aliyev on his terms and if in five years they try to recapture it, then it will be necessary to start a full-scale war with Azerbaijan from scratch, on that Armenia, in principle, was incapable, and even more so now.
And this man wasted everything.

[Anton Pilipenko]

2018: Pashinyan added that he is ready to become the new head of government, "if the people offer such responsibility."

It turns out that the whole nation was mistaken in their choice?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Funny ones, Thought and think that IT IS THEY RUN THE STATE ...

[Scorpio05]

Here is a scandalous, noisy people. For the sake of justice, at the very beginning of the war, N. Pashinyan appealed to the parliament and the people that he can stop the war right now, you just need to return the occupied Azerbaijani regions around Nagorno-Karabakh (NK) of Azerbaijan. And what did these people, who now hanged all the dogs on Pashinyan, answered to his appeal? All were unanimously against the return of the districts around NK, they say, blood was poured over everything Armenian, and now they howl and blame Pashinyan for everything.
This is what he said at the beginning of the war (he repeated the same thing 10 days later, when much had already become clear).
"In fact, Armenia was consistently and constantly set a condition to cede at least the security zone, without any preconditions, without any clarification of the status. I want us to clearly record everything, because I know that there will be questions: is it possible Was this situation avoided and what should we have done to avoid this situation? I want the Armenian parliament to fix whether we agree with this decision?
If we agree, we can stop everything right now. Do we agree? " - Prime Minister Pashinyan asked from the rostrum of the National Assembly, in response to which negative answers were heard from the audience. "

This is what they answered to Pashinyan: The leader of the Enlightened Armenia faction, Edmon Marutyan, stated that “we must finally resolve this issue with this war”.
“We must resolve this issue and not leave it to the children,” he said.
Source: September 27, 2020. Naira Bulgadaryan. Radio Azatutyun.
https://rus.azatutyun.am/a/30861032.html