MiG-35 or J-10C: the US press talks about a possible new fighter DPRK

MiG-35

North Korea has made significant strides in modernizing its troops over the past 15 years. Several hundred new Pokpung Ho MBTs were produced, old Chonma Ho platforms were improved, a new class of Gorae submarines with ballistic missiles was adopted, the Kumson-3 anti-ship complex was developed, the KN-23 tactical ballistic missile and two modern long-range air defense systems were created.

Obsolete squadrons

A notable exception to this general modernization program is the Air Force, which has been unable to import new combat aircraft for more than 20 years and is technologically significantly inferior to its neighbors.

- says the US press - Military Watch.

The only relatively modern fighter of the DPRK Air Force is the MiG-29, which was assembled on a production line purchased from Russia. But in the bulk of the regiments, the third generation fighters MiG-3bis and MiG-21 serve, the squadrons of attack aircraft fly the MiG-23, Il-19 and a small number of Su-28.

According to the publication, the least costly way to re-equip the aircraft fleet is to upgrade the MiG-21bis and MiG-23 fighters to the 4th generation standard with the transition to R-27ER missiles, improved equipment and electronic warfare systems. But we cannot exclude the possibility of acquiring new aircraft in Russia and China, which can ignore the sanctions regime imposed on Pyongyang.

J-10C

Possible replacements

The leading candidate for fleet modernization is the MiG-35, a direct successor to the MiG-29, which uses much of the same infrastructure required for maintenance.

- writes Military Watch, believing that the Chinese lightweight fighter J-10C of the 4 ++ generation can compete with it, which is not only cheaper, both in purchase and in operation, but also benefits from a number of technologies that the Russian aircraft lacks including stealth coating and much higher performance PL-15 missiles.

If the North Korean Air Force is limited in funds, then they can buy used MiG-29s in Russia or used J-10A / B, which served in the PLA for only 10-15 years and are actively being replaced by J-10C.

South Korean intelligence reports that the DPRK has previously shown interest in acquiring Russian heavy Su-35 fighters, which could "effectively counter both the American F-22 and the F-15K with the Seoul F-35A."

The Su-35 is the most efficient Russian fighter to date [...] Another possible option is the purchase of the Su-57 fighter, the successor to the Su-35

- considers the publication.

Comments

[Thrifty]

So, like an embargo on the supply of weapons to the North Koreans, or the Kremlin has come out of the sanctions regime against them?

[credo]

Quote: Thrifty

So, like an embargo on the supply of weapons to the North Koreans, or the Kremlin has come out of the sanctions regime against them?

Another question - "Does the DPRK have so much money to buy such expensive" toys "?

[Thrifty]

The credo is that they can, like the Turks, take a soft loan from us, or allocate territory for military bases. Although, it is possible that there is also cash for the purchase of a maximum of one squadron, to begin with! How do we know their exact financial position? ??

[credo]

Quote: Thrifty

The credo is that they can, like the Turks, take a soft loan from us, or allocate territory for military bases. Although, it is possible that there is also cash for the purchase of a maximum of one squadron, to begin with! How do we know their exact financial position? ??

The main thing is not for nothing and not for other trinkets.

[bayard]

Quote: credo

The main thing is not for nothing and not for other trinkets.

Turkey has already paid for the S-400.
The loan was repaid and the first contract was closed - it was by no means an "unlimited" loan.
S. Korea is rich in rare earth metals, coal, and other minerals. So with a reasonable approach, it would be possible to resolve the issue of counter deliveries and issue a contract for rubles. This is how we work with India.
And this is beneficial.
Another thing is that the sanctions there are not only American, but also the UN. And Russia supported them.
And it's a pity.
For an extra ally with a strong army and nuclear weapons would certainly not hurt us in the region.

[faiver]

they can like the Turks

- nothing that the Turks have already paid for the S-400?

[Revolver]

Quote: Thrifty

take a soft loan from us

Loans given by Russia for the purchase of military equipment by poor countries have a strange property of being written off, at best repaid with palm oil, which, by the way, in America is now considered almost the main enemy of health and the environment. And Kim has no gold reserves. So let the Chinese supply him and believe that maybe someday, Kim or his heir will get rich enough to pay off. Airplanes, even the cheapest ones, even used ones, cost millions of dollars apiece, and Kim will not acquire a flight or even a squadron, but rather a regiment. As the saying goes, if you owe the bank $ 100K, that's your problem; if you owe the bank $ 100M, that's the bank's problem.

[Knell wardenheart]

In general, I would put the question like this: Where does the DPRK get money for anything at all, taking into account the sanctions and the combination of a nuclear missile program within a state the size of two Moscow regions? If they have enough to update the tank fleet with all this, they can only envy, in fact.

[zombirusrev]

It is interesting that the DPRK owns technologies purchased back in the USSR, which we have lost. "This is a turn." (C) In particular, the DPRK sold us at Chubais hydroelectric units for the Far Eastern hydroelectric power plants, which neither we nor Ukraine could already produce.

[fa2998]

Well, they have no money. Although in the past our country "gave" weapons to the poorest countries. Only the Russian Federation fully supports international sanctions against the DPRK. The latest statements by the Foreign Ministry leadership are confirmed.

[Thrifty]

Honestly, some fans have already tired of spoiling their cons on the sly! !!

[Antokha]

Sorry, I don't want to be one of those quiet guys. And how to put a minus correctly so that there is no secret? The question is abstract, I did not minus you.

[Thrifty]

Antokha - so write that in my commentary, thank God, just write honestly that you, for example, minus, I won't faint from this, from the truth

[Antokha]

Thanks, got it.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Thrifty

Antokha - so write that in my commentary, thank God, just write honestly that you, for example, minus, I won't faint from this, from the truth

Fainting from cons ...
Sounds vicious!
:)

[_Oplot_]

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, the Ukroboronprom Enterprise upgraded the MIG-29 fighter and handed it over for use in the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The State Aircraft Repair Plant upgraded the MIG-29 fighter to the level of the MIG-29MU1 and handed it over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The modernization of the aircraft made it possible to increase the target detection range and improve the accuracy of the aircraft's output to a given point. The MIG-29MU1 fighter has a speed of up to 2,5 thousand km / h, which is provided by two turbojet engines with an afterburner. The aircraft's armament consists of a 30-mm automatic cannon, air-to-air missiles, as well as bombs and unguided rockets for engaging ground targets. The fighter is equipped with an electronic warfare system, which is designed to individually protect the aircraft from attacks by enemy anti-aircraft missile systems and aircraft. Now local sofa experts will tell you that the plane poses no threat and does not fly at all. [Center]

[kventinasd]

Quote: _Oplot_

upgraded the MiG-29 fighter to the level of the MiG-29MU1 and handed it over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

That's right, they once had a MIG, only MU remained!

[_Oplot_]

The most modern Russian multifunctional fighter of the "4 ++" generation MiG-35 can reach speeds of up to 2,4 thousand kilometers per hour, that is, less than the Ukrainian MiG-29MU1

[mole]

MU1 - Мmodernized Уkraina? Version 1.0

[kventinasd]

Quote: _Oplot_

The most modern Russian multifunctional fighter of the "4 ++" generation MiG-35 can reach speeds of up to 2,4 thousand kilometers per hour, that is, less than the Ukrainian MiG-29MU1

This is apparently written in the Ukrainian Wikipedia? It must be the same as the Russian military aircraft industry has lagged behind

[bayard]

Quote: _Oplot_

The MiG-35 can reach speeds of up to 2,4 thousand kilometers per hour, that is, less than the Ukrainian MiG-29MU1

Will the engines of the Ukrainian MiG pull?
Right?
Are they after renovation?
What is the resource?
Being new, the MiG-29 engines gave 8300 kg thrust.
At the MiG-35, they give out 9000 kg.s.
And they are new.
And with a much larger resource.
So what's the pride? That one old plane was fixed?
Have you replaced some of your old equipment?
And how long will it last, with normal flight training?
And in the end, this is a Russian plane.
Moreover, it was Soviet!
I would even say - communist.
Is it not the west for the common Benderists to fly this?
Or do you want to sell it to S. Korea?
Not expensive?

[dmmyak40]

And how is the Ukrainian MiG-29 on the DPRK topic? Poking the commentators with your wand? Oh well...

[figwam]

Quote: kventinasd

there is only MU left!

And then a whole one))) And the engines are Moskalsky and there will be no more of them.

[Thrifty]

Stronghold - local sofa experts will be interested in the number of such versions of the aircraft in stock, during what period of time this modernization was carried out, how much it cost to the budget, and how many MiG29s out of the available ones can you, don't want, but can you upgrade to this version? ??

[NEOZ]

Quote: _Oplot_

Ukroboronprom enterprise upgraded the MIG-29 fighter

and what?
The Ukrainian Air Force still does not participate in the battles in Donbass .... the modernization of the MiG29 is a waste of money !!!! MiG29 has a glider with a small resource ... so in 10 years Ukraine will not have MiGs ...

[Vovk]

According to the publication, the least costly way to re-equip the aircraft fleet is to upgrade the MiG-21bis and MiG-23 fighters to the 4th generation standard with the transition to R-27ER missiles, improved equipment and electronic warfare systems.

In this case, this means the creation of a new aircraft, because of the old one remains a bare fuselage. Such projects raised many in the republics of the former USSR ... the costs are gigantic and there is no guarantee of a positive result. In short - unprofitable.

If the North Korean Air Force is limited in funds, then they can buy used MiG-29s in Russia or used J-10A / B, which served in the PLA for only 10-15 years and are actively being replaced by J-10C.

Even the North Koreans will not take a second-hand MiG-29 - a very small airframe resource, and about the J-10A / B - an unfinished machine with a small engine resource, the Chinese themselves are not delighted with it.

[_Ugene_]

MiG-35 or J-10C

According to avionics, the J-10C will be more modern without question, but the Koreans hardly have the finances to purchase any significant amount

[Guru]

These strange foreign Spitsialists, for example, the F-22 Germany cannot buy, and according to the statements of amers they will not sell the F-22 to anyone. And we will sell our SU-57 to just anyone - for Bananas, for coconut oil. They got it already with their delirium.