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Polish observer explains why deepening contacts between Kiev and Ankara could lead to the collapse of Ukraine

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The Polish media comment on the Ukrainian policy, which deepens military-technical and military contacts with Turkey.


It is noted that Ukraine is going "to bow" to Ankara and Istanbul in order to "try to recapture Crimea and Donbass." In particular, it points out the readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to increase the fleet of Turkish attack drones "Bayraktar" in order to "take advantage of Azerbaijan's Karabakh experience."
Polish observer Witold Repetovich, commenting on this kind of Ukrainian policy, decided to quote the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky.

The LDPR leader recently announced that if Ukraine unleashes a war for Donbass and Crimea, it will not only lose it, but may finally lose its statehood. Zhirinovsky predicted that in this case, Ukraine could face disintegration into territories that might be annexed by other states, including Russia and Poland.

The Polish observer claims that one can be ironic about this forecast of the Russian deputy as much as one wants, but the fact is that Kiev's flirtations with Turkey may ultimately lead to the fact that Ukraine, if a new war starts, can really be divided. At the same time, Repetovich believes that Poland will have nothing to do with the division, but "Ankara and Moscow will." The author explains why this can happen.

The Polish journalist notes that Ukraine does not understand an important thing: Turkey has imperial ambitions, which Moscow is playing on. According to Repetovich, it is even beneficial for Putin to use the anti-Western confrontation with Turkey in order to achieve a beneficial result for himself.

In the Polish press:

This kind of misunderstanding on the part of Ukraine can lead to its disintegration, a complete disaster for the Ukrainian state.

It was noted that trying to deepen contacts with Turkey, Kiev is acting strangely and inconsistently. For example, Ukraine forgets that Turkey controls Northern Cyprus. In such a situation, the Cypriot government, which sees Ukrainian flirtations with Ankara and which has repeatedly blocked European decisions on Ukraine, can go even further, which will only bring additional problems for Kiev.

The Polish observer notes that it is important for Russia today to "squeeze" the West out of the territory of Ukraine. The material says that such a variant was executed in the South Caucasus, where “Armenia lost, but Russia did not lose”. It is argued that it was Turkey that Moscow used for such squeezing out, eventually seriously strengthening its position in the Transcaucasus. The Polish press noted that this option could also manifest itself in Ukraine in the event of attempts by Kiev to resolve issues by force with Turkish support.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 8 December 2020 06: 45
    +19
    Poor fellows, they don't know who to stick to! Quite peaceful, but from everywhere they drive them like lepers ... Or rather, they take advantage of them, and then they drive them away!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 8 December 2020 06: 58
      +7
      Quote: Finches
      Poor fellows, they don't know who to stick to

      It is true that the poor fellows ... How many problems they have built for themselves, collected debts - enough for the grandchildren ... It remains to dissolve, like - and now there is no one to receive from ... wassat sorry, and they are not capable of that ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 December 2020 09: 18
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      Poor fellows, they don't know who to stick to! Be very peaceful, but from everywhere they are persecuted like lepers

      So this situation is not the first time. And until 1654, the hetmans wagged their tails, some to the Poles, some to the Turks, some to the Austrians, then the peacetime of the Russian Empire came, but even then Mazepa showed himself to be a station whore. And what happened after 1917, there are still jokes about it, although the situation has not changed after the collapse of the USSR. In vain the tsars and Bolsheviks made so many "gifts", you can't make a schoolgirl out of a whore.
  2. evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 December 2020 06: 47
    +14
    And of course the journalist tactfully kept silent about the fact that the Poles themselves, in this case, would be the first to run to squeeze a larger piece of the land of misunderstanding.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 December 2020 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      And of course the journalist tactfully kept silent about the fact that the Poles themselves, in this case, would be the first to run to squeeze a larger piece of the land of misunderstanding.

      Yes, Westerners and now without spinning, they themselves will run to Poland, just offer. And the Poles will go crazy with such "joy" when they get 10 million representatives of House No. 6.
  3. Pravodel
    Pravodel 8 December 2020 06: 49
    +15
    Ukraine goes "bowing" to Ankara and Istanbul to "try to recapture Crimea and Donbass"

    History teaches that it teaches nothing. Indeed, if the Lord wants to punish someone, then he deprives him of reason. Banderlog could not think of anything better than to bow to the Turks. In rewriting history, they forgot what happened to present-day Ukraine, when it was under the influence of the Turks, they forgot how the Turks mocked, raped and robbed the Orthodox. They forgot that the craving of the Russian land for pigs is precisely due to the fact that the Turks, during the raids, drove away wives, children, the elderly and all livestock except pigs, so the Orthodox tried to breed pigs. Hence the love of today's Ukrainians for bacon .. What will happen to Ukraine after the arrival of the Turks, learn history. She will tell everything. But obviously there will be nothing left but the pigs.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 December 2020 07: 17
      +4
      Quote: The Truth
      What will happen to Ukraine after the arrival of the Turks, teach history. She will tell everything.

      What story?! Which one to teach ?! They listen to a very funny opera "Zaporozhets beyond the Danube" and think that a very kind sultan is waiting for them, who will slowly drink vodka with them! And right in the palace he will accept, and fulfill all requests.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 December 2020 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: The Truth
        Forgot that the craving of the Russian land for pigs is precisely explained by the fact that the Turks drove away during the raids full of wives, children, old people and all the cattle, except for pigs, so the Orthodox tried to breed pigs. Hence the love of today's Ukrainians for bacon ..

        Oh, how interesting! I have never heard of this story of the reason for the gastronomic love of Ukrainians for lard. This is the first time I only found out about it.
        This is historically instructive!
        1. Pravodel
          Pravodel 8 December 2020 11: 29
          0
          This is historically instructive!

          Not a word that is instructive. Banderlog = pigs, who came to power in the Russian land, are driving the whole country, part of Russia, into the pigsty ...
      2. Pravodel
        Pravodel 8 December 2020 11: 27
        +1
        Dear Elena. That is why the history of the Banderlog who came to power in Ukraine does not teach - I use the preposition "on" instead of the preposition "B", which the Banderlog is actively promoting. But when history does not teach, the result of the government is always extremely deplorable. What will happen to the Russian land, read the real history of Ukraine, and not the one invented by the banderlog.
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 8 December 2020 06: 50
    +6
    Psheki still try to bite off a piece of Ukraine ...
    So democratic, like, it was lying here unattended, and we picked it up.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 December 2020 07: 20
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Psheki still try to bite off a piece of Ukraine ...
      So democratic, like, it was lying here unattended, and we picked it up.

      Well straight! They will collect applications from all migrant workers and present: "The people ask us to take them and protect them."
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 8 December 2020 07: 31
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        "The people ask us to take them and protect them"

        To the question - what is the difference from the "annexation" of the Crimea, the killer argument - "It's DIFFERENT!"
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 8 December 2020 07: 50
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          To the question - what is the difference from the "annexation" of the Crimea, the killer argument - "It's DIFFERENT!"

          That's it! In Crimea, a referendum was held and "the answers were obviously rigged," but here there are bags of letters written and signed by themselves. This is the kind of show you can put on! Come to a UN meeting and put out these "bags of statements"
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 8 December 2020 09: 34
        +2
        Quote: Egoza

        Well straight! They will collect applications from all migrant workers and present: "The people ask us to take them and protect them."

        That's really really ... From one desire of Kiev to buy UAVs from the Turks and pshek's babbling, commentators sucked a whole theory ... laughing laughing
      3. Gardener91
        Gardener91 8 December 2020 22: 48
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Well straight! They will collect applications from all migrant workers and present: "The people ask us to take them and protect them."

        "Map of the Pole".
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 December 2020 12: 51
          0
          Your answer is excellent, short, laconic! And just two words !!! That's right - "Pole's card".
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  6. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 8 December 2020 06: 51
    +1
    It is now easier for the Kremlin to come to an agreement with Ankara (as two unrecognized empires wink ) rather than Kiev. but as a trace for Zelensky and Co. everything will be very bad.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2020 06: 52
    +6
    Strangely, the Polish journalist is very concerned about the possible disintegration of Ukraine due to its rash actions. At the same time, he emphasizes that Poland allegedly does not lay claim to Ukrainian territory, which is no longer true. It turns out that Moscow and Ankara want to divide Ukraine into their spheres of influence at an opportunity. So this is a warning to Ukraine or is it all the same to Warsaw, so as not to oversleep its opportunities?
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 December 2020 07: 44
      +4
      Nothing strange.
      This Polish journalist is a great friend of Armenia.
      You understand how he relates to Turkey.
      His article is more about Turkey than about Ukraine.
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 December 2020 12: 53
      0
      Yes, and Budapest also needs to signal too!
  8. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 8 December 2020 06: 53
    +3
    Ukraine should be weakened economically and by internal contradictions and divided into parts with the annexation of most of the territory to the Russian Federation.
  9. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 8 December 2020 07: 23
    -3
    Poles only sleep and see how to seize the lands of Ukraine west of the Dnieper. Russia should also come to an agreement with Poland, Romania and Hungary and amicably divide Ukraine into 4 parts - Transcarpathia of Hungary, Northern Bukovina of Romania, Poland Galicia, Volyn and Little Russia, Russia Novorossia, which includes Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev and the Odessa region.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 8 December 2020 07: 54
      +4
      "What are you, an impostor, are you scattering the state lands? So you won't find enough of any volosts." (ivan vasilievich) fool
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 8 December 2020 08: 09
        -1
        Let the gentlemen deal with their slaves themselves. The Poles know how.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 8 December 2020 09: 21
      0
      We must take our own, without wasting time on all sorts of limitrophes, if the owners allow, maybe they will also take a bite from the west, but this is their problem and the junta.
    3. Alexy
      Alexy 8 December 2020 11: 03
      -1
      Forgot about Dnepropetrovsk and Kryvyi Rih
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 December 2020 07: 40
    -3
    It's simple, the Polyakhia do not need guest workers from Uk-Rodia, they are replaced there by more hard-working Belarusians, and the Polyakhia wants to return the lands that they naively consider Polyakhia. ..
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 8 December 2020 07: 46
    0
    Zhirinovsky predicted that in this case, Ukraine may face disintegration into territories that may be annexed by other states, including Russia and Poland.
    And what is this forecast for? fool Warn, stop, call for common sense? But why look where it has never been. Collapse, so collapse, if only ours! To eliminate the danger of war, it is necessary to guarantee criminal liability for its unleashing and participation, starting with Zelensky, etc.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 8 December 2020 09: 44
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Collapse, so collapse, if only ours!

      Who yelled "Muscovites at knives"? Not just collapse, but with mass casualties, devastation, hunger and destruction. And with tightly closed borders. There is nothing to spread the infection here. This will be "criminal responsibility", well deserved.
  12. sgr291158
    sgr291158 8 December 2020 07: 54
    +2
    Before whom they only did not kneel.
  13. north 2
    north 2 8 December 2020 08: 12
    +1
    those who were in Lviv know the famous Lychakiv cemetery. The cemetery is replete with magnificent headstones and monuments on the graves of many famous people. So, even on the grave of Ivan Franko and
    Sofia Krushelnytska rarely see fresh flowers, for that not only the graves of the Polish Eagles are drowning in flowers, but also other burials of Poles in flowers. There are hundreds of such graves. And on Polish holidays, in general, a pilgrimage from Poland throughout the Lviv region. And how many heirs in Poland dream of regaining real estate and land in the former Polish Lviv region and especially in Lviv itself!
    So let the author not be silent here that Poland does not dream of dividing Ukraine. By the way, even one of the pages of the Polish passport depicts the rotunda of the chapel of the Polish Eagles in Lviv, as a symbol of Poland ...
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 8 December 2020 14: 34
      -6
      Quote: north 2
      And how many heirs in Poland dream of regaining real estate and land in the former Polish Lviv region and especially in Lviv itself!

      Dreaming is not harmful laughing
  14. boris epstein
    boris epstein 8 December 2020 08: 12
    +1
    Ha, Ukraine wants "Bayraktary" wants to receive! Will Turkey itself have enough of them to sell? After all, the West has stopped supplying engines for Bayraktars. Maybe Turkey will produce them on a small scale, but Ukraine is not Azerbaijan, and if Turkey fights for Crimea, it will not be for Ukraine, but for itself. And ukrovoyaki will only be cannon fodder.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 8 December 2020 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: boris epstein
      The West has stopped supplying engines for Bayraktar.

      As he stopped and will resume, the Austrians are pragmatic guys. Nakraynyak the Turks will adapt another motor, since there are enough analogues.
  15. svp67
    svp67 8 December 2020 08: 12
    +2
    Turkey does not need a strong and independent Ukraine, it needs the return of previously lost territories. And in Ukraine they are FULL. Turkey has already tested the procedure in Georgia, where Adjara is already actually Turkish territory ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 December 2020 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Turkey has already tested the procedure in Georgia, where Adjara is already actually Turkish territory ...


      Yes, unfortunately, with our connivance ...
  16. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 December 2020 09: 38
    +2
    Ukraine is bankrupt. If this fact is announced, many Ukrainian "politicians" and "businessmen" will face poverty, and many will die. Because the Western bankers, enraged by financial losses, will take away every Ukrainian cent they can find, as well as take out their anger on the perpetrators of the collapse, because a significant part of the stolen cannot be returned, but it was generally planned to make a profit, not a partial compensation for losses!
    Proceeding from this undoubted fact, the Ukrainian government is ready to attack even the Moon, if at least part of the debts is written off for it. So, if American curators of this "state" want this, for example, the war can start even today.
    Moreover, the selection field is rather narrow. Ukraine should at least pretend that it is repaying its debts, dumping at least something on its accounts, otherwise the trust in the world financial system, which is extremely shaky, may collapse completely. So its current owners are running out of time.
    We need to give Ukraine money to support the pants. But how?! How should the appropriations be made? As soon as you light them up, the howl will rise to heaven. For some reason, taxpayers react nervously when their taxes float into the hands of thieves and talkers. "Confronting the Russian threat" almost doesn't work anymore. On what basis should you give money?
    So a war can suddenly break out in a matter of weeks. To fill in the column "justification for investment". I'm somehow uncomfortable ...
  17. cniza
    cniza 8 December 2020 10: 59
    +1
    At the same time, Repetovich believes that Poland will have nothing to do with the division, but "Ankara and Moscow will."


    Pan Repetovich is disingenuous, oh disingenuous or just stupid ...
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 8 December 2020 12: 32
    0
    The Poles somehow modestly hid their role in this material, which has led to the disintegration of Ukraine for the last 20 years. Issuing a Pole's card for residents of Ukraine, in the Polish media, is not called an attempt to take land
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 9 December 2020 12: 59
      0
      In Warsaw, no fools sit, however. Why bawl in advance?!? There will be an opportunity and there will be "17.09.1939 the other way around"!
  19. uralant
    uralant 8 December 2020 12: 45
    0
    The Zhirinovsky-Repetovich pact was signed. Discovered "America"!
  20. Lew
    Lew 8 December 2020 13: 32
    -1
    the faster Ukraine collapses, the less human losses
  21. orionvitt
    orionvitt 8 December 2020 13: 45
    0
    Repetovich believes that Poland will have nothing to do with the partition
    Somewhat strange statements, especially against the background of the Polish "semi-official" position, that western Ukraine is Poland. And on Polish foreign passports, it is even painted in Polish colors. The Polish observer probably thinks that all are fools and do not see anything as the "Polish hyena" happily waves its tail. However, with Poland, everything is clear for a long time, I'm interested in something else. What can Turkey squeeze out in case of a conflict with Russia in Ukraine? Crimea? laughing Return Odessa? Or maybe Ishmael?laughing In my opinion, the Turks do not shine there, but they will grab problems, above the roof. Quarrels with Russia, in the conditions of the current economic and political crisis, are more expensive for themselves.
  22. Normal ok
    Normal ok 8 December 2020 14: 32
    -5
    The same article was published on VO a few days ago. What's the calculation? The fact that the reader is picky and cheats the second time?
  23. Eug
    Eug 9 December 2020 18: 53
    0
    Please note that (e) Lyak is not worried about the integrity of Ukraine, but about the fact that in a certain situation Poland will not get a "piece" of Ukraine ...