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Data on the program of creating a promising Russian orbital station appeared

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RSC Energia announces some data about the future Russian space station. The issue of creating such a station is being considered due to the fact that in 2024 the term of operation of the ISS agreed by the countries expires. The International Space Station has been in operation for 22 years.


Information Service RIA Newsreferring to documents from RSC Energia, writes about the state of affairs with the concept of a promising Russian orbital station (ROS). In particular, it is indicated that the internal volume of the new station will be larger than that of the Russian segment of the ISS, and more than that of the Mir station.

At the moment it is known that the first stage of construction is scheduled for 2025-2026. After the completion of this stage, the internal volume of the new station will be 136 cubic meters. At the second stage, which, according to the published data, will be completed in 2028, the volume will already be 464 cubic meters. At the same time, it is planned to operate a commercial module at the station. In general, the ROS, whose living volume will be 376 cubic meters, will be able to receive up to 4 cosmonauts. The specific name of the station has not yet been announced.

Recall that in 2001, the Mir station was de-orbited and flooded in the ocean. At that time, it served in orbit for 15 years, which can be considered a fairly short period for an orbital station. It was officially announced about "obsolete equipment". At the same time, it was added that Russia cannot maintain the Mir station due to lack of funding.
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  1. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 7 December 2020 06: 35
    +21
    Will anyone believe in this next chimera? The module "Science" has not been completed for many years, and here is a whole orbital station! Sawing and sawing loot, realtors from Miami probably rub their hands.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 7 December 2020 07: 27
      +11
      So maybe that's why he hung on Earth? There is no sense in sending it to the ISS for a long time, so they hold it for a new station?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 7 December 2020 10: 11
        +1
        It's just that it does not get better on Earth every year, moral obsolescence does not disappear anywhere, even under ideal storage conditions of inadmissible physical degradation
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2020 14: 59
          +1
          The Science module has already been modernized and replaced the control systems, cables and all equipment.
      2. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 7 December 2020 10: 29
        +1
        Yeah, there are such great strategists ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 7 December 2020 08: 11
      +4
      At the same time, it was added that Russia cannot maintain the Mir station due to lack of funding.

      And now where will the money come from? Rogozin will sell the dacha?
      1. Machito
        Machito 7 December 2020 08: 40
        0
        Quote: Civil
        At the same time, it was added that Russia cannot maintain the Mir station due to lack of funding.

        And now where will the money come from? Rogozin will sell the dacha?

        In the morning they had some fun. More tales from the Vienna Woods. Rogosmos burns. They stole little in the East.
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 7 December 2020 09: 08
          -2
          Quote: Bearded
          In the morning they had some fun. More tales from the Vienna Woods. Rogosmos burns. They stole little in the East.

          Everything makes sense, now you can talk about a breakthrough for a year, until 2040-2050, and that we have overtaken everyone, and then they will come up with something else.
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 25
          -5
          well, yes ... Rogozin is to blame for theft)
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 9 December 2020 22: 02
            -3
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            well, yes ... Rogozin is to blame for theft)

            An organized group of people, and Rogozin is part of it.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 9 December 2020 23: 32
              -7
              the moment when the "topvar" experts are not able to search ... that is. The "expert" is not aware that Rogozin was sent to the Republic of Kazakhstan after the story with Vostochny? and what exactly with his submission did active planting begin there? oh yes .. I have to write an opinion .. and studying the topic is not for "experts"
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 10 December 2020 10: 12
                -3
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                the moment when the "topvar" experts are not able to search ... that is. The "expert" is not aware that Rogozin was sent to the Republic of Kazakhstan after the story with Vostochny? and what exactly with his submission did active planting begin there? oh yes .. I have to write an opinion .. and studying the topic is not for "experts"

                When you already understand, "defenders of the regime", it doesn't matter who is there, in the place of Rogozin. Apart from oil and gas, they do not need anything, and the army would not be needed, but the pipe must be protected. There will be no space, the state doesn’t need it, unless it’s shit on TV and saw the loot.
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 10 December 2020 11: 22
                  -8
                  and who are you giving back? or did you decide to use the search?)
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 10 December 2020 11: 35
                    -3
                    Quote: Boris Chernikov
                    and who's you hand over back?

                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    An organized group of people, and Rogozin is part of it.

                    Do not distort, there is no difference between Rogozin, Chubais, Gref, Putin, the thief sits on the thief and drives the thief. Is this clear?
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 10 December 2020 11: 38
                      -8
                      oh yeah .. simple question .. how old are you, o "expert"?
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 10 December 2020 11: 43
                        -2
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        oh yeah .. simple question .. how old are you, o "expert"?

                        "Clever", can you refute?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        there is no difference between Rogozin, Chubais, Gref, Putin, the thief sits on the thief and drives the thief.

                        Or, in essence, there is nothing to say, and therefore it is necessary to get personal?
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 10 December 2020 11: 44
                        -8
                        those. youngster ... I thought so
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 10 December 2020 11: 55
                        -3
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        those. youngster ... I thought so

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Or, in essence, there is nothing to say, and therefore it is necessary to get personal?

                        You, my young friend, are drawing somewhat inadequate conclusions. In fact, what do you say to a comment? Or there is nothing to object, so it is necessary to offend? I have always said that the Unified State Exam is not good for anyone, do self-education, young man.
                      4. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 10 December 2020 11: 58
                        -7
                        oo, attempts to play "I am an old pensioners with 50 years of experience" began .. yeah, and apparently problems with memory since the 90s nothing has changed for you ... "expert"
                      5. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 10 December 2020 12: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        oo, attempts to play "I am an old pensioners with 50 years of experience" began .. yeah, and apparently problems with memory since the 90s nothing has changed for you ... "expert"

                        It's lazy for me to waste time with trolls. What has changed since the 90s? Then the salary was not paid, this hour there is no work. That then you won't find a bureaucratic councilor, that now. Is it possible to put a video on YouTube, but this is not Putin's merit, or am I mistaken? That then the enterprises went bankrupt and closed, that now. Only there are fewer of them, I mean enterprises. That then the country was being sold, that this hour. So what has changed then?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 7 December 2020 09: 26
    +2
    The weapons will be sold. The other day the trauma was presented for review.
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  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 7 December 2020 09: 17
    -1
    Quote: Sahalinets
    Will anyone believe in this next chimera?

    The key word in this news is = The question of creating such a station being considered due to the fact ... =
    Those. the hen has not yet sat down in the nest, and the commentators are proving at full speed that she will not lay an egg. So maybe she is not going to sit on the nest ...
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 7 December 2020 10: 02
      -1
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Those. the hen has not yet sat down in the nest, and the commentators are proving at full speed that she will not lay an egg. So maybe she is not going to sit on the nest ...

      So here in the comments, as is customary: the main thing is to crow, and then at least don't dawn! laughing
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 7 December 2020 10: 35
      +1
      Well, yes, well, yes, all the activities of Roscosmos, of course, speaks of the enormous potential capacity of this organization!
      What else would you write about the middle class with a salary of 17? Come on, scribble on the manual!
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 7 December 2020 11: 00
    -2
    Quote: Sahalinets
    Will anyone believe in this next chimera? The module "Science" has not been completed for many years, and here is a whole orbital station! Sawing and sawing loot, realtors from Miami probably rub their hands.

    I have not yet read the whole article remembered Belyaevskaya "Star of the CEC". But at least there was a fantasy that was embodied in the USSR in "Salutes" and "MIR". And now fairy tales are being published in the media ... Sadness ...
  • alexmach
    alexmach 7 December 2020 14: 24
    0
    As a matter of fact, as recently the whole idea was voiced that everything would be docked to the existing ISS segment, including the Science module. But this, it seems to me, is not the biggest problem, there are still a couple of modules, including an energy one ... That is where the horse was probably not lying around.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 7 December 2020 15: 09
    +4
    Why not believe that? ISS is completely meaningless. It does not bring any benefit. But to have a station with unmanned aerial vehicles in orbit that allows us to monitor and repair our satellite constellation is a completely different matter. How many valuable satellites have been lost due to missing orbit or minor damage? PM to have its own repair and assembly shop in orbit, which allows you to pull up the satellite, diagnose, replace the unit and push it into the correct orbit - this is necessary and profitable. Again, it is possible to conclude contracts with other countries for the repair of their satellites. And for reconnaissance and sabotage, it can also come in handy.
    PM, unlike the useless ISS, is a good idea here.
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 24
    -3
    and the meaning of Science for 4 years in space to send? then either separate our entire segment and somehow dock with ROS or wait until they are built ..
  • Lord_Bran
    Lord_Bran 7 December 2020 06: 44
    +5
    I, frankly, am not sure about the reality of such statements, given the chronic underfunding of this industry.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 December 2020 07: 35
      +2
      Quote: Lord_Bran
      to be honest, I'm not sure about the reality of such statements, given the chronic underfunding of this industry.

      And the general state of the economy, as they say: Take the load by yourself, so as not to fall when walking!
    2. ALEX_SHTURMAN
      ALEX_SHTURMAN 7 December 2020 08: 32
      +4
      The point there is not at all about finances, but about the fact that such a complex and knowledge-intensive industry as Cosmonautics was given over to "effective managers" for management. And they effectively destroy it! In the very same RSC Energia chakhorda with a change of leadership: not a year has passed since they remove the main one and put another one !!! And such crap has been there for 15 years! And Comrade Rogozin is a separate song altogether, he is a good propagandist, he is a good newspaper head, well, his ambitions are much higher, he is torn into space! His son has already filled up an order from the Ministry of Defense for a new transport plane! Well, of course, he himself, somehow miraculously, at the age of 30, became the head of the largest aircraft plant without experience and specialized education, dad has nothing to do with it ...
      1. Kart
        Kart 7 December 2020 09: 09
        +2
        The son of the chief designer?
        Chakhorda.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 December 2020 15: 02
        +2
        "His son has already filled up an order from the Ministry of Defense for a new transport plane!" Where did he fill up there - the production of the Il 76 90A went on and on according to schedule.
        1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
          ALEX_SHTURMAN 7 December 2020 15: 40
          0
          IL 76 90A, thank God, this project was made before him back in early 2000, but the IL 112B aircraft to replace the AN 24, An-26 cannot really carry itself, the alignment of the glider is violated!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 December 2020 18: 58
            +1
            And how are the misalignment of the Il 112 airframe connected and Rogozin's son, he was the general designer of this aircraft?
            1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
              ALEX_SHTURMAN 8 December 2020 12: 04
              0
              Yes, not what, of course, our manager is not responsible for anything, and some even go for promotion!
            2. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 29
              -5
              so here it is always like this: scientists are great, and everything bad comes from "managers" .. but to admit that scientists can screw up is not our way ..
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 27
      -3
      for specific projects with a specific return, money will be given .. there is a moment that scientists want money just like that, but the result "someday later" .. the story with Phobos-Grunt and Moon-26 is indicative
  • U-58
    U-58 7 December 2020 06: 46
    +3
    The program is one thing, but real hardware in real time is a completely different difference.
    There is only one way out - to make universal casings with various filling options. A kind of designer for adults.
    At the very least, this will allow you to put the case on the stream, which will reduce the cost and speed up the manufacture.
    Again, funding.
    If they give 60% money, hoping for a miracle, then again everything will go to infinity ...
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 December 2020 07: 02
      +10
      Theoretically, they can give money, but where to get people with the necessary skills, and how to revive the lost factories out of thin air?
      1. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 7 December 2020 09: 16
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        Theoretically, they can give money, but where to get people with the necessary skills, and how to revive the lost factories out of thin air?

        Most likely those who remain are already retired. Well, Musk will help with the accessories
      2. Rzzz
        Rzzz 7 December 2020 10: 29
        0
        Quote: evgen1221
        to revive the lost factories of the complete set?

        Yes, that "komplektuha" has become obsolete half a century already. The question is where to get the modern one.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 7 December 2020 11: 01
          +1
          Which leads to the first question - where to get people to come up with this new thing and collect. Lack of education, vocational education, the leadership of the worker over glamor, and generally the idea of ​​why.
  • Errr
    Errr 7 December 2020 06: 58
    +6
    I love our plans
    Swipe steps fencing.
    I rejoice in the march with which we go to work and to battle.
    V.V.Mayakovsky
    I love Mayakovsky, but I can only apply the quoted passage from the poem "Good" to the plans of Roscosmos in an ironic sense. smile
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 December 2020 07: 01
    -4
    Conversations, conversations, "new" promises, forecasts, information are superimposed in layers on the previous ones !!! And sho in the end?
    Chickens are counted in the fall .... so we are not particularly out of count, because counting CHICKENS, there is really nothing to do with ..... and talkers count, we were not taught, this is an empty occupation!
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 7 December 2020 07: 03
    +12
    Under capitalism, which is now striding across Russia, with the actual control of natural resources by private business, this is IMPOSSIBLE in principle! Total corruption and cutting everything that can be reached will in no way contribute to the real creation of anything grandiose. "Eastern" is an example of this. SP-2 is an example of this.
    Only a nation, a purposeful nation with a Person in power (such as an IVS) is capable of this, when the state works for its development. And not a gas station with USE victims, where Western football clubs and real estate in Miami are a priority ...
    So just animation and a bunch of concepts ...
    Substation Krymsky Most is rather an exception, because there it really was necessary to tie the territory back to its native land. But this only confirms the above. request
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 7 December 2020 07: 06
    +1
    Projects, projects ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 December 2020 07: 13
    +1
    They told us this story to create the illusion that the heavenly bushes are not far away, and soon we will not only have our station in space, but everything will be ours on it, to the last nut (the microelectronics there, as always, will be Chinese)!
  • Fungus
    Fungus 7 December 2020 07: 14
    -1
    Anyway you need your own station. So the idea of ​​norms.
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 7 December 2020 11: 39
      -1
      Do you need your own?
      First of all, you must stretch your legs along the clothes. And less manilovism.
      Are you aware that funding for the Republic of Kazakhstan is steadily and steadily declining? And the overseas uncle does not give more money for the flight, because he built his own trampoline, better than the Russian one? What shishi are you going to build on?
      And from what?
      From scratch?
      We will build until the end of the century. Twenty-first.
      To use ready-made "bricks"? The idea is so-so. The Russian segment on the ISS is already just metal rubbish, it is dangerous even in its current state, it only causes problems for the entire station.
      Should we take conditionally new modules as a basis? Suppose, by some miracle, it will be possible to dock "Science", "Berth" and "NEM". By the way, what about the carriers? "Proton-M" rested in the Bose, and "Angara-A5" has not yet got out of its mother's womb? But are we going to build our own OS?
      But let's say. Let's say the issue with the PH is settled.
      Let us even assume that on the basis of the "NEM" architecture it will be possible to expand the OS with universal modules. What orbit? With an inclination of 51,6 degrees? Or high latitude?
      After all, the main question is - why? Why fence a garden?
      The OS on LEO has already exhausted almost all the possibilities of scientific research over a period of many years. It is not without reason that the world scientific elite has Artemis in priority today, and Musk is striving for Mars. These projects are the future.
      But not in any way for the OS, which will be assembled from bricks from the Soviet firing.
      You can also understand the Chinese if they start assembling their OS next year. For them it is a matter of prestige and of science, since the station equipment will be up-to-date.
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 7 December 2020 12: 09
        -6
        Of course, I understand that you are a recently zaregany bot whose task is always whining in all topics. Either you burn from Nord Stream 2, then from Russian space, etc. You rode your space. And now pray to the Mask. We fly into space ourselves.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 7 December 2020 16: 26
          -2
          And besides the desire to whine about the Mask "we" can there be anything else?
          Can you provide any argument? Not a quote from a manual, but your own thought? If there is one?
          As for the space where we fly, do not confuse this concept with LEO.
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 29
      0
      ideally sign the Indians on this topic ..
  • prior
    prior 7 December 2020 07: 19
    +2
    Ah, those wet dreams ...
    ... according to competent sources - Rogozin is carrying out a deep modernization of the trampoline .... the launch will be from a sea launch ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 7 December 2020 11: 17
      +1
      Quote: prior
      according to competent sources - Rogozin is deeply modernizing the trampoline .... the launch will be from a sea launch ...

      You can run it, with launches so far the problem is not acute. It would be WHAT to run.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2020 15: 05
      0
      The program until 2028 for all rockets, booster blocks, expeditions and engines - we will live to see the 28th year and there it will be possible to summarize what was done and what is not now there is no point in talking about it.
  • Yves762
    Yves762 7 December 2020 07: 21
    -1
    Maybe it was worth tackling a station that would be able to move between the orbits of the earth and the moon.?. It is the station, not the ship; well, or whatever - the base ship (starship ba-alin repeat ). The stage of "home" orbital stations has already been mastered. It's time to think about other bodies (heavenly) ...
    1. Sir1966
      Sir1966 7 December 2020 08: 29
      +2
      Recently, I saw the news on the network about the beginning of the assembly of our space nuclear tug. So let him carry the station where necessary.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 7 December 2020 14: 21
        -3
        Storytellers .. She will not survive outside the Earth's ionosphere.
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 7 December 2020 15: 04
          +1
          Quote: alexmach
          Storytellers .. She will not survive outside the Earth's ionosphere.

          fool
          NASA, ESA, JAXA, and our Roscosmos ...
          It is you from them tell me.
          laughing
          Better in the face.
          tongue
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 8 December 2020 14: 02
            0
            What can I say then? That the station is under the wired magnetic field of the Earth, and that it is not suitable for interplanetary flights outside of it? Do you think they do not know about it?
  • zwlad
    zwlad 7 December 2020 07: 25
    +4
    Wait and see. In any case, there is only one exit - your own station.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 December 2020 07: 54
    +3
    Recall that in 2001, the Mir station was de-orbited and flooded in the ocean. At that time, she served in orbit for 15 years, which can be considered a fairly short period for an orbital station.
    Well, in 2001, we thought that the West, for our diligent behavior, was ready to kiss us in the ass and, accordingly, integrated wherever they allowed, actually and practically burying its own scientific and technical base, industry, and promising developments. For too long we have been reaping the fruits of restructuring and integration, which has resulted in degradation.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 7 December 2020 09: 50
      +2
      Well, so in 2001 we thought that the West, for our diligent behavior, is ready to kiss in the ass


      Exactly .. again the West is to blame for everything ..))
  • Hagen
    Hagen 7 December 2020 08: 21
    +5
    Recall that in 2001, the Mir station was de-orbited and flooded in the ocean. At that time, she served in orbit for 15 years, which for an orbital station it could be considered rather short period.

    Interestingly, and who proposes to consider this way? Looking at the materials in the network, the project initially set the life of the station at 5 years. This term has been extended several times. Then there were accidents, and quite serious ones. The last crew of the station spent almost the entire mission in work on its repair. Part of the station's blocks went out of order after a collision with Progress in 1997 and was never repaired. Experts in our space industry have the opinion that it is cheaper to build a new station than to repair Mir, especially since new materials and new equipment have appeared that were difficult to "fit" the old construct. And the ISS has already outlived its design term and is working today under the "extended" program. It should be borne in mind that the station is being built up gradually, nevertheless, the "base" has been flying for more than twenty years. One way or another, it will have to be changed someday if they do not decide to flood it in the next 4 years (especially since other "passengers" dangle along it with a drill without a king in their heads wassat )
    1. Avior
      Avior 7 December 2020 08: 50
      +4
      it is no longer a secret that they were hanging out with a drill on the ground, and not at the station.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 7 December 2020 08: 59
        0
        Quote: Avior
        it is no longer a secret that they dangled with a drill on the ground, and not at the station.

        May be so. There are a lot of one feature of malfunctions and each mission is engaged in MRO for a significant part of the time. However, the fact that I came across a definite answer about "sabotage" on the ground does not give. And is there a high probability that the public will be shown the truth (for political reasons)?
        1. Avior
          Avior 7 December 2020 09: 04
          0
          the fact that I came across an unambiguous answer about "sabotage" on the ground does not give

          How did you explain to yourself that the black putty was applied outside the ship, under a layer of heat protection and was absent inside?
          is it likely that the public will be shown the truth (for political reasons)?

          already said they won't show
          hi
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 7 December 2020 09: 08
            0
            Quote: Avior
            and as you explained for yourself,

            But in no way ... There are no materials sufficient for analysis, and there are no thoughts to explain anything. Sometimes in investigations, one little piece of paper, "left" from the case or not presented in court, changes the meaning of the event exactly the opposite. Therefore, you can build as many versions as you like, but I do not presume to assert anything ... Moreover,
            Quote: Avior
            already said they won't show

            request
            1. Avior
              Avior 7 December 2020 09: 13
              -2
              there is a photo of the hole inside the ship and a video outside, under a layer of insulation.
              there are not the slightest traces of something inside, outside there are traces of something incomprehensible.
              Do you know how to explain it somehow differently? or just don't want to know?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 7 December 2020 11: 16
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Do you know how to explain it somehow differently?

                I said that what was posted on the network may be enough for a working version to discuss over a glass of tea, but nothing more.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 7 December 2020 10: 06
          -3
          Quote: Hagen
          One feature of malfunctions there are many, and each mission is engaged in maintenance and repair operations a significant part of the time.

          Only one toilet in the American sector is worth something, each expedition, having arrived to the ISS, first of all, in the Russian sector, runs or flies to the pot. laughing
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 7 December 2020 10: 15
            -2
            Toilet in the American sector, designed and manufactured in Russia. And our cosmonauts also serve it under an agreement with NASA.
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 7 December 2020 10: 28
              -5
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Toilet in the American sector, designed and manufactured in Russia. And our cosmonauts also serve it under an agreement with NASA.

              Well, that means the astronauts still haven't learned to shit in a pot, because it always breaks with them. Let them first learn to crap, then into space. Here's how we have - "we will turn your shameful ailment into a heroic deed, you will go to serve in the landing, there you will also start." (C) c / f "DMB" laughing
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 7 December 2020 11: 18
                -4
                In our segment, it also constantly breaks, there is a sea of ​​news
            2. Avior
              Avior 7 December 2020 10: 37
              0
              there is already a second, new high-tech American toilet. It will be tested for subsequent use for flights to Mars and so on.
              Worth $ 23 million
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 December 2020 08: 36
    -2
    A station of this type should pay for itself. Automatic modules producing pure silicon, the basis for drugs, or whatever, but at the moment everything is so set up that it looks like just a banal cut of money, as in Rusnano
    1. kpd
      kpd 7 December 2020 08: 55
      0
      How much money did nuclear missile submarines or strategic bombers make to the country? Not everything is measured only in money ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 December 2020 08: 57
        -1
        Quote: kpd
        How much money did nuclear missile submarines or strategic bombers make to the country?

        Do you somehow confuse round with sweet, do you find contradictions in your words?
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 7 December 2020 09: 02
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      A station of this type should pay for itself

      When did basic science give direct payback? Especially in space. Therefore, the beginning of space was laid solely under state programs.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 December 2020 09: 09
        -1
        Quote: Hagen
        When did basic science give a direct payback? Especially in space.

        And I already wrote how such projects were developed (for example, in Japan)
        Quote: Hagen
        Therefore, the beginning of space was laid solely under state programs.

        Nobody argues, but this does not mean that you have to sit down on the budget stupidly
    3. Kart
      Kart 7 December 2020 09: 18
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      A station of this type should pay for itself. Automatic modules producing pure silicon, the basis for drugs, or whatever, but at the moment everything is so set up that it looks like just a banal cut of money, as in Rusnano

      At the moment, we do not know anything here on the Internet.
      Only the most general plans were announced.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 7 December 2020 08: 38
    -1
    The station is necessary if you are seriously concerned with the Moon .. or Mars .. It is needed as a transshipment base, as a gas station or a warehouse .. As a military facility, of course .. Only we will not build it.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 7 December 2020 09: 09
      -8
      You won't build. Russia will build.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 7 December 2020 09: 32
    +8
    While the ISS is being drowned, the Americans dragged a new module there - Bishop.


    And soon, a whole segment will be built up, from Axium, where, among other things, there will be the largest panoramic zone ever launched into outer space. A person will be able to be completely in the aquarium.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 7 December 2020 11: 27
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      While the ISS is being drowned,

      Who said about its flooding?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 7 December 2020 11: 33
        +1
        Well, the whole topic is about that. No other way of disposal has yet been found.

        If the Republic of Kazakhstan leaves the project in the year 24 by transferring money to its station, then the ISS will live for 5 years at most. This is taking into account if they buy according to Progress a year to the ISS, for fuel, because the American gateways have no communications where to download. You will either have to modify the Lebed / Dragon for docking to the Russian module and refueling, which is expensive, or pulling pipelines, which is even more expensive.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2020 15: 09
          -1
          The Russian segment on the ISS is already starting to fail and its fate is comparable to that of Mir in emergency terms.
  • LifeIsGood
    LifeIsGood 7 December 2020 09: 47
    +2
    Here you read the comments here and it becomes funny ... They tell you about the plans here, everyone starts scolding together, "they say what the hell are you telling us here, do it first," they will silently do this and start shouting again "why are everyone silent? What will you do with the problem?" laughing
    Don't you think that statements about plans should be treated more tolerantly?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 34
      -4
      so topvar ... they can't do otherwise
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 7 December 2020 09: 48
    -5
    "Friends, at Roscosmos we are working on the appearance of a new orbital station, which will replace the ISS. It is obvious that it should be a multifunctional, a kind of filling, repair, and assembly platform complex. Visited or permanently inhabited. National or international. I would like to hold with your help a "public expert scientific and technical council." Waiting from you competent proposals on the composition of service modules and the appearance of the station, the height, shape and inclination of its orbit", - wrote the CEO of Roscosmos on Facebook.


    I suggest 7 filling modules .. height 2,60 ..
    Chamomile shape ..
    In partnership with Armenia and Belarus ..

    PS You have to start somewhere .. since Rogozin "sang red summer"

    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 7 December 2020 09: 59
      -8
      Oh .. old pindocs are already minus from envy ..))
      So Rogozin and I are doing everything right ... the project will be ..
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 7 December 2020 11: 31
        +2
        Quote: Roman070280
        I'm doing everything right with Rogozin

        Are you friends with Rogozin? laughing
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2020 15: 12
          0
          Under Rogozin, the accident rate of launches has decreased to zero over the past two years, so the industry is heading in the right direction to get rid of the handicraftsmen and thieves.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 7 December 2020 10: 37
    +6
    Recall that in 2001, the Mir station was de-orbited and flooded in the ocean. At that time, she served in orbit for 15 years, which can be considered a fairly short period for an orbital station.

    Seriously?
    Salyut-5: 411 days.
    Salyut-6: 1764 days
    Salyut-7: 3216 days
    Mir: 5511 days
    The planned replacement of "Mir" was to take place in the second half of the 90s. In reality, the station worked in orbit for three periods and was flooded due to the fact that after numerous equipment failures (the last expeditions repaired the station more than worked on it) no one wanted to take responsibility for extending the operation for a fourth period.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 7 December 2020 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      recent expeditions repaired the station more than worked on it

      But according to the experience of repair work in space, we are now ahead of the rest of the planet.
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 7 December 2020 11: 11
    0
    What now? Will there be any novelty? How about artificial gravity?
    At least a household compartment with a gravity of 0.25G, so that there is where to sleep, eat, wash and recover normally. And the rest of the time, work in zero gravity in other compartments. And not to torment people with long weightlessness, there is zero sense in it, it only harms health and creates many inconveniences.
    And if there is no possibility (and it is more likely than not) to make a constantly rotating sealed airlock, then at least according to the scheme of temporarily turning off gravity to move to / from the module.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 7 December 2020 12: 35
    0
    The main question is what is the purpose of this venture? The construction of a large object in orbit implies that the scientific exhaust from such activities will be at least 3/5 of its lifetime - and this scientific exhaust should be RADICALLY different in quality and funding from what we did on the ISS. That is, it should be either something breakthrough that is ripe, so to speak (and for which we should already build modules, according to the logic of the speed of their creation in our country), or something qualitatively resource-scaled on a different level, in the form of a larger-scale approach to some previously conducted experiments on the ISS. And again, for these purposes something should ALREADY be created, taking into account the indicated time frame (2025-2026). We do not observe this - therefore, all this is nothing more than some kind of trading strategy through a poorly hidden bluff.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 8 December 2020 21: 35
      -4
      ISS will definitely work until 2030
  • iouris
    iouris 7 December 2020 12: 38
    0
    Strategy. Developed by the Higher School of Economics.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 7 December 2020 12: 59
    0
    Catch everything minus. laughing
  • petroff
    petroff 7 December 2020 16: 50
    0
    Quite curious, but ...
    Russia, of course, can build its own station (maybe not super modern, not one that meets all the needs of space programs. But it can.).
    But the purpose of such statements is most likely somewhat different.
    1. Russia has been dragging the ISS on itself for a long time. Delivery of fuel, food, astronauts, equipment, new modules. Manufacturing of new modules, repairs, etc., toilets again. It is not critical for Russia whether to do this on the ISS or at its own station. For the rest of the countries participating in the program - it is critical. Therefore, Roskosmos decided to remind about its indispensability. They say, guys, we understand everything, but it would not be time to know the honor ... Or we are revising our relations in the direction of increasing our interest for further cooperation. Either it is not critical for us, we will stir up our station, and you buy a trampoline. And in between: By the way, we will have a commercial module there, for a fee, any whim, even a separate toilet overlooking the sunny side.
    2. If it doesn't work, there is a second option: you don't want it, however you want it. We will now undo and stir up our inter-national station with the Chinese. We will tow our block from the ISS to them, take the toilet and adyos. Hello diapers and again a trampoline. And there, within a year, we will launch two more of our modules, China alone. And that's it. We are preparing an orbital transfer refueling station for the exploration of the moon.
    So talk about your own station is, first of all, a political lever of pressure on Western partners, but in extreme cases, you can make a station. Inexpensive, budget, we will put a man in earflaps, we will give a hammer in hand ... Only American astronauts in shuttles will not fly past her ...
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 7 December 2020 18: 25
    -2
    It would be better to improve GLONASS by an order of magnitude .... there will be nothing to equal soon (((
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2020 19: 07
      0
      How and most importantly why?
      By 2015, it is planned to increase the positioning accuracy to 1,4 meters, by 2020 - to 0,6 meters with a further increase to 10 cm.
      Total of the GLONASS OG: 28 KA
      Used for its intended purpose: 24 KA
      At the stage of entering the system: 1 KA
      Temporarily withdrawn for maintenance: 1 KA

      Orbital reserve: 1 KA
      At the stage of flight tests: 1 KA
      The oldest operational satellites were launched in 2006 (in the orbital reserve).
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 7 December 2020 19: 40
        0
        What year are we living in? And what do you want to say that we already have a half-meter accuracy?
        I doubt it
  • fa2998
    fa2998 7 December 2020 20: 47
    +1
    It was good in the USSR! The announcer will say from the loudspeaker - "Sputnik" was taken out, Gagarin flew - Hurray! They reported about what was done.
    Now we have a lot of plans. Every day there are new ones. And the aircraft carrier, and the destroyer "Leader", and new bombers, and transport aircraft. And the T-14, and the whole family, and the Su-57. And many others and so on. And armed with ANYTHING. We have good designers, models, drawings, com.graphics, everything according to the mind. But let's report on what we have done! hi
  • Diviz
    Diviz 8 December 2020 20: 48
    0
    So there is a blizzard, you need to make a starship out of it, then you can design a new ISS.