"Ukraine embarked on the path of partition": the Polish press about the rate on Turkey and its shock drones

It is customary in the West to view Turkey as an ally in the fight against Russia, but "this is a false vision." Ankara's true goal is to oust Western influence from the zones of rivalry, to turn entire territorial tracts into arenas of conflict and, ultimately, to establish Russian-Turkish protectorates over new locations.

Alliance against the West

This opinion was voiced by the observer Witold Repetovich for the Polish press.

Russia often finds this useful, since Western influence poses a greater threat to it than Turkey's imperial ambitions. If the Ukrainian authorities do not understand this, then the country is in danger of catastrophe

- the author believes, believing that in the face of a complete loss of control over Ukraine, the Kremlin is ready to limit itself to the absorption of several eastern regions, although Moscow is guided to a greater extent not by imperial, but by demographic policy, trying to oppose the growing Muslim diaspora in the country with a Slavic Christian element.

Russia is interested in absorbing the Slavic population (Ukrainians, Belarusians) or at least the Christian Indo-European population (for example, Armenians, Ossetians)

- the author considers.

During the Karabakh war, Kiev sided with Baku, seeing this conflict as a struggle between Moscow and Ankara. According to Repetovich, "it was a wrong assessment": the defeat of Armenia turned into a displacement of Western influence and the strengthening of Russia in the South Caucasus, and this was achieved "by the hands of Turkey."

"Ukraine embarked on the path of partition"

Against this background, in Kiev, instead of a judicious analysis, they "take wishful thinking", seeing the defeat of the Russian Federation in Karabakh. Hence, an unjustified bet is made on the return of Donbass at the expense of an alliance with Turkey and the use of Bayraktar strike UAVs.

According to the author, Russia did not have military control over Karabakh, but received it as a result of the war. The situation is completely different with Donbass and Crimea:

If Ukraine tries to return these territories in the near future, the continuation of events will look more like the Georgian scenario of 2008.

However, unfortunately for the author, the situation is developing in this direction thanks to the efforts of the Ukrainian authorities: the purchase of Turkish drones, we are talking about their joint production; the military escalation in the Donbas is growing; the country's leadership is increasingly declaring the ineffectiveness of the negotiations and the "plan B". According to the author, Turkey is pushing the Ukrainian authorities to take active steps, promising support, but in reality it sets itself completely different tasks:

Ankara's goal with regard to Ukraine is to divide it into zones of Turkish and Russian influence [...] That is why Poland should seek to prevent Ukraine from taking a catastrophic decision on military actions against Russia in Donbass and Crimea

- the author concludes.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

Ukraine will collapse sooner or later, such a state is not viable, you need to help it well in this.

[Machito]

All neighbors have territorial claims to Ukraine, even including Moldova. Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

[Reviews]

Quote: Bearded

Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

What is it like? Will they wait for the freezing of the World Cup to cross it on foot?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Avis

Quote: Bearded

Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

What is it like? Will they wait for the freezing of the World Cup to cross it on foot?

It is more difficult to access Ukrainian lands by water than by land. Communications across the sea impose restrictions on expansion.

[Reviews]

Quote: OrangeBigg

It is more difficult to access Ukrainian lands by water than by land.

"Thoughtfully". :)

[Eugene-Eugene]

The Turks have a UDC, for the deployment of a bridgehead is quite normal.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

The Turks have a UDC, for the deployment of a bridgehead is quite normal.

And how many of these UDCs, what are their capabilities? Capabilities for the transfer of personnel by sea are clearly inferior to those for transfer by land. In addition, UDCs are vulnerable to anti-ship missiles.

[Machito]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

The Turks have a UDC, for the deployment of a bridgehead is quite normal.

UDC next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea? Turkey can land troops on Ukraine only with the consent of Russia. And this is even impossible to imagine. It was not for this that Suvorov knocked the Turks from the North Shore of the Black Sea so that his descendants would call them back.
I won't sell my cow to anyone.
You need such a beast yourself.

[Eugene-Eugene]

UDC next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea?

Let's see ... Give more to the rower.

[Machito]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

UDC next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea?

Let's see ... Give more to the rower.

Gris ... otseda mushrooms

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bearded

Turkey can land troops on Ukraine only with the consent of Russia.

Quite right. And not only Turks. And the Poles and Hungarians and other Romanians, without the consent of Russia, will not take an inch of the land of Ukraine. For these lands are the property of Russia, defended by their ancestors with exorbitant labor and blood.

[Machito]

Quote: Avis

Quote: Bearded

Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

What is it like? Will they wait for the freezing of the World Cup to cross it on foot?

And that they will land airborne and naval troops? And what will the Black Sea Fleet and the Bastion and S-400 batteries in Crimea be doing at this time? The only chance for the Turks to get to Ukraine is to cross the Black Sea on foot along the bottom.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Bearded

All neighbors have territorial claims to Ukraine, even including Moldova. Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

Well, here it is more likely not Moldova, but Romania, which considers Moldova, Chernivtsi and Odessa regions as their lands. Hungary, Transcarpathia, Poland, so-called. East Kresy (Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Volyn regions), Belarus Polesie, Turkey, southern Ukraine.

[fruc]

It's okay - the State Department will help them (Ukraine).

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: frruc

It's okay - the State Department will help them (Ukraine).

He has already helped them, to lose Crimea and part of the Donbass. A couple more times it will help and from Ukraine there will be three farms with ten hetmans and a piece of pipe from the GTS.

[Machito]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Quote: Bearded

All neighbors have territorial claims to Ukraine, even including Moldova. Turkey because of the Black Sea may stupidly not be in time for the carve-up.

Well, here it is more likely not Moldova, but Romania, which considers Moldova, Chernivtsi and Odessa regions as their lands. Hungary, Transcarpathia, Poland, so-called. East Kresy (Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Volyn regions), Belarus Polesie, Turkey, southern Ukraine.

You forgot about the territorial claims of Russia: Slobozhanshchina, Donbass, Novorossiya, Zaporozhye, Severshchina and of course Kiev itself. Kiev has always been a Russian city, but was donated to Ukraine by the Bolsheviks.

[Orange bigg]

You have forgotten that Lviv is a Russian city, though it is pollinated a little over time. But there are historical reasons for that. And the Poles themselves are not completely alien to us either. And Ukraine is just what is at the edge of the border.

[Machito]

Quote: OrangeBigg

You have forgotten that Lviv is a Russian city, though it is pollinated a little over time. But there are historical reasons for that. And the Poles themselves are not completely alien to us either. And Ukraine is just what is at the edge of the border.

After the war in Lviv, my grandfather worked in the party nomenclature, he drove a bandera

[Zaurbek]

Turkey has nothing to keep up with .... All Crimea, and the Turks there wept a cat.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Zaurbek

Turkey has nothing to keep up with .... All Crimea, and the Turks there wept a cat.

There are no Turks there; there are Crimean Tatars.

[Zaurbek]

He's Zhora, he's Gosha ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Zaurbek

He's Zhora, he's Gosha ...

With such Makar, one can say that there are no Tatars, Arabs, Persians, Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, and only Turks around. But this is nothing more than fantasies and wishful thinking.

[Zaurbek]

Crimean Tatars are as close as possible to the Turks. And they all moved to Turkey after the annexation of Crimea.

[kamakama]

I personally know someone who just moved from the inner regions of Russia to Crimea.

[Zaurbek]

They were evicted back to Kazakhstan ...... during the war.

[Skif]

We don't have them. God will and will not.

[_Ugene_]

Ukraine will collapse sooner or later, such a state is not viable, you need to help it well in this.

they say the same about Russia in Ukraine, just like us, they perceive these statements exclusively as propaganda

All neighbors have territorial claims to Ukraine, even including Moldova.

and there are few territorial claims against us recently? it doesn't say anything yet

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Very interesting article. For the first time, I come across an objective analysis of the political situation. Judging by the first comments, the authors claim that many countries are making territorial claims to Ukraine. Perhaps they mean (apart from Russia and Turkey) Hungary, Poland and even Moldova. I don’t even want to talk about "powerful" Moldova. But Hungary is very relevant and assertive in its claims. As far as Poland is concerned, it is evident from history that if it attacks Ukraine like a hyena, it is only after making sure that the body of Ukraine is dead and is being torn apart by all and sundry. In addition, the hatred and contradictions between the inhabitants of Ukraine are so great after the Maidan that the collapse and division of the state will not require much effort. And the neighboring countries will only strengthen and accelerate this issue with the help of their armed forces. Let's see, of course. But ... the Armed Forces of Hungary, Turkey, Russia, Poland, be ready.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Pessimist22

such a state is not viable, you need to help her well in this

Whoa. There is no need to help, they themselves do an excellent job, and for us it is completely free. And what is not viable is the full name - "Ukraine of the Russian Empire". In the village - the outskirts, and in the country - Ukraine. For example, the Far East Ukraine... Well now, imagine the southern outskirts of the village? Everything would be fine, but the selmag is in the center of the village, and the bus stops only in the center. And so - yes, you yourself with a mustache on the outskirts, you just want to eat and now you won't go to the city ...

[BDRM 667]

"Ukraine has embarked on the path of partition": Polish press on the bet on Turkey and its shock drones

Poles - there are Poles, especially with regard to Ukraine ...
They are modestly silent about their own role in destabilizing the neighboring territory in different historical periods.
And there is something to remember This is also the period of the people's liberation wars with the oppression of the Polish feudal lords, the edge of which was put by the entry of this territory into the Kingdom of Moscow, then Soviet Russia suppressed the turmoil and expelled the invaders during the civil war.
And here again, the "support of Ukraine's European aspirations" by young European Poland only aggravates the situation inside the extremely unstable Ukraine.
You look, it will burn again. And to whom to extinguish? Or create a "fence" around the territory so that outsiders do not get through, and wait until it burns out itself?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Cowbra

Quote: Pessimist22

such a state is not viable, you need to help her well in this

Whoa. There is no need to help, they themselves do an excellent job, and for us it is completely free. And what is not viable is the full name - "Ukraine of the Russian Empire". In the village - the outskirts, and in the country - Ukraine. For example, the Far East Ukraine... Well now, imagine the southern outskirts of the village? Everything would be fine, but the selmag is in the center of the village, and the bus stops only in the center. And so - yes, you yourself with a mustache on the outskirts, you just want to eat and now you won't go to the city ...

I agree that they are doing it, they will most likely do it themselves and do not need any help.

Having vowed to “end the war in Donbass, no matter what,” Zelenskiy’s administration has brought negotiations into a dead end in a year and a half, with no way out of it. And the president himself, in a telephone conversation with Trump, blamed the FRG and France for this, is still causing sidelong glances in European capitals.

Due to the unwillingness to change the language law, which discriminates against other languages ​​in the country and was adopted even under Poroshenko, Ukraine maintains extremely tense relations with its European neighbors - Poland, Hungary and Romania (not to mention Russia). During the acute political crisis in Belarus, Kiev, together with Europe and Washington, harshly condemned the Lukashenka regime for dispersing demonstrations in Minsk and planting opposition leaders, and resulted in a sharp cooling of relations with Belarusians, which turned into mutual sanctions.

https://riafan-ru.turbopages.org/riafan.ru/s/1347889-kak-ukraina-smertelno-possorilas-s-polshei-vengriei-rumyniei-belorussiei-i-frg

[Vita vko]

Quote: Cowbra

for us - completely free

$ 3 billion to Yanukovych just before the Maidan, personally, I have the feeling that he was overthrown just in order to steal this money from Russia. Then another 3 mln. for the shortage of our own gas under the Stockholm Arbitration. And that's not counting the fact that the annual remittances of "labor migrants" from Russia to Ukraine amount to $ 0,5 billion and make up half of all remittances from Europe and the United States combined.
In addition, the trade turnover remains the largest among all the CIS countries, and gas transit contracts still make up the bulk of Ukraine's revenue budget.

[Grits]

Quote: Vita VKO

$ 3 billion to Yanukovych just before the Maidan

By the way, everyone forgot about it so quietly. And they don't raise it anywhere. We can assume that they just gave it to someone.

[iouris]

Quote: Pessimist22

you need to help her well in this.

An interesting idea, but do you think that "this" is happening in a sovereign state? The main idea is that Erdogan should "help". Do you agree with this idea?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And you do not have the feeling that the GDP does not care about all sorts of Maidans on the outskirts and all that? And woodpeckers from the EU only now realized what kind of rusty chicken coop they took on the balance sheet ..

[altimo1]

The Ukraine project can only exist at the expense of Russia and only against Russia.

[alexmach]

Until now, something has not fallen apart. And without another big shock comparable to the year 14-15 it will not fall apart.

[iouris]

Will not fall apart as long as the Russian Federation exists. If the Russian Federation ceases to exist, then no one needs Ukraine or Belarus. And also the "Baltic tigers" who "joined it".

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Not Ukraine already, but the country - anti-Russia.

[Mavrikiy]

This is why Poland should seek to prevent Ukraine from making a catastrophic decision to take military action against Russia.

Hurry up Poland, or you won't get anything from the Ruins. Jackal of Europe.

[Catfish]

Jackal of Europe.

[Mavrikiy]

Churchill was utterly uneducated, lord sir. In his youth he participated in the Anglo-Boer War, where he saw enough of the vile hyenas. Hence his disgust towards her. The "highly moral and civilized" hunters had fun: shoot a hyena in the stomach with a large-caliber bullet. Further abomination ...
The hyena is a strong beast, and surpasses all predators by the power of its jaws. If only for this reason, this scavenger deserves some recognition. Yes, he is a coward, but packs of wolves are chasing in a gang.
But the jackal personifies the meanness and baseness of all peoples familiar with him.

[Catfish]

Well, about the jackal - you go and Tabaki remembered, yes, Kipling was denounced the animal. Yes, in this case, even a jackal, even a hyena, whatever you call it, does not add respect.

[Mavrikiy]

I have lived in Central Asia. The south of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, saw and heard jackals. Where is the jackal and where is paradise?

[Catfish]

Where is the jackal and where is paradise?

I have never seen either one or the other, unless Tabaki was a child, at the zoo,

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Yes, he is cowardly, but packs of wolves are chasing in a gang.

Lviv, dear, single lions. Jackals, wolves can hunt alone. Hyenas are always a pack. Only in numerical superiority do they start to "fight".

Hyena - symbolizes vileness, bitchiness. And to seek out noble qualities from a scavenger, equipped with natural selection with strong jaws (to crush the bones of corpses), is to look for pearls in the manure.

[Zaurbek]

And as a rule, if a large predator did not eat its prey right away, then a flock of hyenas comes and takes it away

[Petro_tut]

Yes, he is cowardly, but packs of wolves are chasing in a gang.

Wolves don't live on the African continent

[iouris]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Churchill was a deep ignorance

Churchill is Churchill. And you don't need these attacks. Train ... over there - on cats.

[Victor_B]

Divide, so divide!
Ainutsvancius of Firuzin! What is Raikin's translation - cut, so cut!
From Odessa to Sumy, including Kiev.
And let anyone take the zapadEntsev.
Shit is not a pity!
And there Hungary will bite off a piece, Poland will not miss its own, and the Romanians will chop off a piece.
On that "Square" will die ...

[Asadbek]

In these zapadentsev (western territories) a lot of Russian and Soviet blood was shed. It’s a pity and sad to pay or leave to their own devices.

[sustav75]

Everything is already abandoned! They can stumble to death for Russian speech!

[Polymer]

Quote: Victor_B

And there Hungary will bite off a piece, Poland will not miss its own, and the Romanians will chop off a piece.

This is precisely why the Kremlin is forced to support the existence of this unviable state. So far, she cannot return it entirely, but does not want to take only a few pieces. So that most of the enemy does not get it, it is better to pretend that Ukraine is a full-fledged state.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Polymer

This is precisely why the Kremlin is forced to support the existence of this unviable state. Can't return it entirely yet, and does not want to take only a few pieces.

Here you can't say more precisely:

The Kremlin simply cannot take anything without the will of the people. And he no longer had any incentives. The phrase does not pass: "Do you want it like in Ukraine?" Doesn't give desired result. The Russians do not want "as in Ukraine." And, as in Russia, it starts to annoy. The best option today is to resolve the issue of the reunification of the “disgraced” LDNR. But here the West can show the door to those who managed to settle outside of Russia with funds obtained by means of dubious honesty.
How much blood has been shed for the creation of the Russian Empire and how much shit is dumped on Russia because of this ... Maybe it's time to throw off these clothes of the "humiliated and insulted".
Turkey on the northern Black Sea coast? This is the most delicious spit in the direction of Russia.

[rotmistr60]

If Ukraine tries to return these territories in the near future, the continuation of events will be more like the Georgian scenario of 2008

Neither add nor add. In this case, Russia's response will be unambiguous. Poles warn Ukraine against rash actions? But Ukraine has repeatedly stepped on the same rake both in domestic and foreign policy. Some boilers in Donbass are worth something after another.

Ankara's goal in relation to Ukraine is to divide it into zones of Turkish and Russian influence

But what about the territorial dreams of Poland, Hungary, Romania?

[Yura]

Ankara's goal with regard to Ukraine is to divide it into zones of Turkish and Russian influence [...] That is why Poland should seek to prevent Ukraine from taking a catastrophic decision on military actions against Russia in Donbass and Crimea

Incorrect interpretation, respectively, incorrect conclusions, Poland has been stimulating Kiev's military actions against Donbass for more than six years, has already forgotten its volunteers, snipers, specialists participating in the ATO, and now they pretend that they are not in business, they are peacekeepers. The Pole is also worried not for Donbass and its people, and not for Kiev, he is afraid that the pie will fly past their mouths. This Pole would be better off for his Poland, for what they have and without which they can stay.

[user1212]

Let's change a little anecdote that is no longer relevant
How do you think the hypothetical military conflict between Ukraine and Russia will end?
- Usually all wars end with the partition of Poland ...

[Yura]

Quote: user1212

Let's change a little anecdote that is no longer relevant
How do you think the hypothetical military conflict between Ukraine and Russia will end?
- Usually all wars end with the partition of Poland ...

Also relevant.

[Ovsigovets]

begin with the partition of Poland))))

[Gennady Fomkin]

The case when the worse, the better. The stars stood up so much and someone else helped them a lot in this, that bidło, in / in Ukraine, now really rules ... Another confirmation that the Svidomo stupid is hopeless, and nothing are learning.

They lost the Crimea and the people's republics Because they wanted to arrange forced Ukrainization there. And they got it - in the ass.

Let the nenku continue to fall apart! By yourself, all by yourself. .Ja, ja! Ich bin natürlich!

[sleeve]

If it doesn't try to return in the near future, then the project may be a bogus reformatting power. The introduction of an open junta or external government will lead to a civil one this time and division into already familiar zones. Moreover, it should be noted that the entry of new territories of Russia is not profitable and unnecessary, only in extremes. So not to Russia, but to an independent republic, the same is a unifying factor for the population in deciding on a divorce. If you try to return the territory, then reformatting will touch the entire territory of Ukraine and quickly. The collapse may not happen. With Russia's approach to "managing" territories, crazy freedom is guaranteed in them in exchange for the relative efficiency of the economy and the absence of Russophobia. So proceed, brothers-Slavs, both paths lead in the same direction ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Does anyone still believe that they will "come to their senses", "come to their senses" and realize that they are Russians?!?

[evgen1221]

That is why Poland must prevent Ukraine from making a catastrophic decision, right, otherwise nothing will be left on its own, the types and preparation will go on the beard.

[Mykhalych]

Ukraine has one thing to advise_ there is no need to rush to conclusions. It is fraught with political shame. ... Although for the representatives of ukraine, apparently, only to "cuckold" - but there, though, do not dawn.

[voronok]

Has Erdogan already climbed to the Outskirts? Oh, the Sultan will finish badly .. Bandera's people are hoping in vain for the option of Karabakh, Russia in Donbass will not allow this and will respond very harshly.

[75 Sergey]

Oh, and you talkers here.
Comments from 10 year olds.
Until the West wants, nothing is done with Ukraine geographically.

[cons]

That's just interesting. Who are all these people who make comments here. Are they all experts, analysts, journalists? Or have ordinary people already started to understand geopolitics.

[ohka_new]

Every gopher in the field is an agronomist ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: cons

That's just interesting. Who are all these people who make comments here. Are they all experts, analysts, journalists? Or have ordinary people already started to understand geopolitics.

Yes!

[BAI]

There is something reasonable in this reasoning.

[Vlad Pervovich]

"Poland should strive to prevent Ukraine from making a catastrophic decision on military action against Russia in the Donbas and Crimea."
isn't Poland interested in this? in the sense of Lviv, etc.

[Rome]

The video about the Ukrainian army is cool special forces outfit fashionable but BMP 1 speaks of the backwardness of the army I think the drones will not help them much, Azerbaijan was equipped with more modern technology and the losses were significant, and the enemy was kind of simpler than the LDNR army.

[Vasyan1971]

"Ukraine embarked on the path of partition"

First, not "partition", but "collapse".
Secondly, we have come to our senses, pshechno Panov!

[Niel-le-Calais]

Of all the territorial claims, only Russian ones were fulfilled, and then partially. Ukraine managed to recapture 2/3 of the regions before the north wind was introduced and kept them.
Writing about Hungarian, Turkish and others is to cast a shadow over the fence and lead away from the current one.
Although, just to be sure, Ukraine keeps combat-ready units in dangerous regions and is often engaged in redeployment.
And they wanted to spit on the cries from Budapest and others about the situation with the transfer of their army across their territory.
So the main opponent of the country's existence, in terms of claims and their implementation in practice for Ukraine, is the Russian Federation! 13.22% of the territory of Ukraine is controlled by the Russian military forces. And not Hungary, Turkey and others ..
With the Turks, Poles and others, even with the United States, these are all temporary allies. Without his army, nothing would have been possible. Couldn't even have survived 2014.

[Alexey Bobrin]

Kravchuk's Plan B turned out to be a banal request to disconnect Russia from SWIFT. Grandfather finally ate a cuckoo

[Lara Croft]

However, unfortunately the author, thanks to the efforts of the Ukrainian authorities, the situation is developing in this direction: the purchase of Turkish drones has continued, and we are talking about their joint production.

The author is not aware that the filling of these UAVs is produced by Western countries and at the moment an embargo has been announced for Turkey on the supply of these components by Western countries ...

[Ovsigovets]

ska ...... but would sit exactly on the priest in the format of neutrality and suck from 2 titties ... and so it gets closer and closer to suck not two queens, but two folders