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China begins construction of a new base to support space launches from an offshore platform

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China begins construction of a new base to support space launches from an offshore platform

China has begun construction of a new facility that will allow launch vehicles into space from an offshore platform. According to local media reports, construction is underway on the east coast of the South Sea.


The Oriental Aerospace Port is being built near Haiyang City in Shandong Province, to complement the existing four launch sites on Hainan Island and in the outlying areas of Gansu, Sichuan and Shanxi provinces. China Rocket Co. Ltd. Is a subsidiary of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) and Haiyang City Council.

With the rapid development of the commercial aerospace industry, the demand for launches is increasing day by day. And sea-based missile launches are a powerful addition to traditional ground-based launches.

- said Wang Zhanyu, vice president of the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology.

It is noted that the production capacity of the base will be 20 solid-fuel missiles per year. The base will provide services such as assembling and testing missiles and launching missiles from offshore platforms for both Chinese and foreign customers. An aerospace industrial park, a port for servicing missile launches from an offshore platform and an aerospace tourism park are also planned in this area.

Recall that last June, China for the first time in its stories successfully launched the Changzheng-11 launch vehicle from an offshore platform.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 5 December 2020 12: 09
    +68
    Reading the news about the successes of China, I feel like a resident of some sort of Romania in the 80s, observing the successes of the USSR - there is a country nearby. With the same people, but with tremendous technological leaps!
    I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 12
      +28
      Similarly .... ((And the further the more .......
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 14
      +22
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...

      Well said, Kamrad! It is a pity that from that Great Country we have only memories and pride for our grandfathers.
      1. stalki
        stalki 5 December 2020 15: 49
        +6
        Well said, Kamrad! It is a pity that from that Great Country we have only memories and pride for our grandfathers.
        Our grandfathers made that country, so we are worse, shame on our heads. We lack a good belt from our grandfathers.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 19
      +7
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Reading the news about the successes of China, I feel like a resident of some sort of Romania in the 80s, observing the successes of the USSR

      1. Avior
        Avior 5 December 2020 13: 53
        +5
        Video error
        The appearance of artificial structures, including artificially created islands, does not in any way affect the definition of the boundaries of territorial waters and the exclusive sea zone.
    4. Finches
      Finches 5 December 2020 12: 22
      -12%
      We still live in a great country, which, simply, has not the easiest times - and your pessimism is in some way criminal! You need not whine - but work and think!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 26
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        You need not whine - but work and think!

        Here go and work! And do not sit out your pants for the people's money! And people will have enough to think without you.
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 5 December 2020 12: 44
          -9
          It was in the Soviet Union that people's money was, but now we have capitalism and to each his own.
          So there is no need to lyala about eating people's money.
          And who thinks what and how is not your concern at all.
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            1. AVA77
              AVA77 5 December 2020 12: 56
              -5
              Should I ask your permission? not fucking? The site rules are not written for you. Go in a personal and write to Zhenya.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 5 December 2020 13: 03
                +2
                Quote: AVA77
                Should I ask your permission? not fucking? Site rules are not written for you.

                I just said everything within the framework of the rules, but you start to be rude.
                And leave this mentoring tone for the family.
                1. AVA77
                  AVA77 5 December 2020 13: 11
                  -10%
                  My tone, my concern. My family is my concern. I don't need your advice.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 5 December 2020 13: 46
              -5
              Quote: Stroporez
              And then you already zadolbali advisers, they say you have to work, as if there are some mindless parasites sitting here. Advisors, damn it

              Maybe not parasites. It would be a sin to call pensioners parasites, but there are enough brainless people here. Moreover, aggressive ...
        2. Finches
          Finches 5 December 2020 12: 48
          -10%
          And I, unlike some, paid my debt to the country according to the Oath in full and did not run away from the Army fearing difficulties - and now I teach and work at the university ...! I try to format the younger generation according to our Soviet requirements ... So you don't need to throw your stone into my garden - to the wrong address!
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 5 December 2020 13: 09
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            So you don't need to throw your stone into my garden - to the wrong address!

            Then do not write stupid advice and slogans, there are no stupid and parasites here!
            And many have given their debt to the Motherland beyond measure.
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 December 2020 13: 14
              -7
              I don’t think that my belief that I live in a great country is stupidity! But I considered and will consider doubts about this among some citizens of our country, at least as latent selfishness, and as a maximum as a betrayal of the national interests of Russia and the Russian people! I hope I wrote it intelligibly! hi
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 5 December 2020 13: 49
                +16
                Betrayal of the national interests of Russia and the Russian people is capitalism and its henchmen at the head of state! This is what we see from the results of the 30 years that have passed since the death of the USSR ..
                1. Finches
                  Finches 5 December 2020 14: 10
                  -7
                  You write so indirectly that it tempts to ask a question - where were you in April 1985 and August 1991 ... laughing Yes! Capitalism is not the most successful form of political and economic formation for Russia, but how to return to Socialism after 10 years of total and predatory neo-feudalism and with the first shades of 20 capitalism? So that without blood and devastation, the Era of Justice and Equality would come overnight? Do you have a prescription? Just don't be delusional that you need to replace Putin with Grudinin or Platoshkin - this recipe is good for children from the nursery group! And even then the kids will shower you with tomatoes ... laughing
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 5 December 2020 15: 05
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            I try to format the younger generation according to our Soviet requirements ...

            Is this yelling about the "damned Anglo-Saxons"? Weaving religion? You have strange "Soviet requirements" ...

            By Soviet standards, it is necessary to educate the class rejection of the capitalists, and not to any nation.
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 December 2020 15: 36
              -8
              Fans of the Anglo-Saxons pulled themselves up - what does it have to do with my personal view of the formation of ethnic groups and their culture-centric code with educational activities about the surrounding picture of the world? No! There is an approved work program and one should not step over it - carrying a gag (this is, by the way, the classical Soviet school of teaching), but I can give examples of how certain spheres of social life were built under Socialism and that they were more successful than those the same, but in a market economy! You, my friend, did not intervene in the conversation successfully - you mixed everything: blood, g ..., sand and sugar! laughing
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 5 December 2020 17: 24
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                Fans of the Anglo-Saxons pulled themselves up - what does it have to do with my personal view of the formation of ethnic groups and their culture-centric code with educational activities about the surrounding picture of the world? No! There is an approved work program and should not be overstepped

                No love for the Anglo-Saxons. There is no need to tell a fairy tale about the working program. It has long been noticed that a lot depends on the personality and charisma of the teacher: presentation of material, interpretation, etc. So I assumed that you, with your worldview, with your dislike for these very Anglo-Saxons, and at a supernatural level, as a teacher, are not very objective and not quite, frankly, adequate.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 5 December 2020 18: 53
                  -5
                  Yah? And say not a fan of the Angolsax! I judge by their actions through the prism of history in relation to humanity as a whole, and on what your belief in their holiness is based - I don't know! However, you do not surprise me - a lawyer should always happen - this is VO's corporate identity! Schopenhauers and Plevako in one bottle, or rather, on one site! laughing
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 5 December 2020 20: 21
                    +2
                    What nonsense, "teacher"? Well, where did you see my faith in their holiness? With every comment you make, I am convinced that as a teacher you are zero. You are biased, limited and use dirty tricks in your rhetoric, a la "whoever is not with us is against us."
                    Anglo-Saxons are hostile to us - here I do not argue. But to associate them with the devil or to expose them as absolute evil is a profanation.
                    Here you are opposing their civilization to the Russian / Russian civilization. And meanwhile, while these terrible Anglo-Saxons kept representatives of another race (not even nationality) in slavery, the Russian nobles kept Russian peasants in slavery. Well, who is "evil" and who is "good"?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 5 December 2020 20: 29
                      -4
                      Are you rude? Well, after clever people and lawyers, the next category of VO regulars is hamlo ... laughing Most often they have nothing to say but to flaunt their absolute conviction that the opponent is zero! Buddy, don't get personal, discuss the topic - if you can! hi
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 5 December 2020 20: 50
                        +4
                        Lawyers? For the Anglo-Saxons? Do they need them? This is the Anglo-Saxons minimum wage ~ $ 160?
                        I see you are a fan of gluing labels. I’m a fan of the Anglo-Saxons, then I’m hamlo ... Okay, excuse me if, in your opinion, I am naughty to you, but tell me, please, why is the Russian civilization better than the Anglo-Saxon one? In what way, in fact, is the exploitation of foreign peoples worse than the exploitation of one's own?
                      2. Finches
                        Finches 5 December 2020 20: 56
                        -2
                        She is not better, only she is on the other side of the barricade - try to understand this! And if not, then not here - it will not change anything at all! Neither for me nor for you hi
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 5 December 2020 21: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Finches
                        She is not better, only she is on the other side of the barricade - try to understand this!

                        Yes, I just understand that. This is Hottentot morality. We are good because this is us. I have no more questions for you, teacher. hi
                      4. Finches
                        Finches 5 December 2020 21: 20
                        -4
                        I am not a teacher, I am, first of all, a career officer of the Armed Forces of Russia, who gave almost three decades to the Motherland, if anything ... So Hottentot morality has nothing to do with it!
                      5. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 5 December 2020 21: 42
                        +2
                        Perhaps, as an officer, you are even more or less, but making you a teacher was not a good idea, yes ...
                      6. Finches
                        Finches 5 December 2020 21: 45
                        0
                        Sorry, we forgot to ask you! laughing But don't be upset - there are much more clever people like you ... in our education ... Maybe that's why under the Anglo-Saxons, young people, and not only young people, go to bed much quicker - after all, the minimum wage there is more than $ 160 - at what here is the Motherland ... But if at least 10% of my graduates think differently than you, then I am not eating my bread in vain! And I will have more%!
                      7. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 6 December 2020 11: 27
                        0
                        Young people gravitate towards the Anglo-Saxons because they lure them with the promise of a beautiful life. And if in Soviet times ideology was opposed to this, now there is no alternative to the Anglo-Saxon way of life in Russia.
                        Quote: Finches
                        if at least 10% of my graduates think differently than you

                        You ask your graduates: is it normal for a country like Russia to have a minimum wage of $ 160? Or did you put the thought into their heads that they have to be patient, that "this year was difficult" (c), that, they say, everything is about to get better? Look then how many percent will turn out.
    5. bayard
      bayard 5 December 2020 22: 41
      0
      Quote: Hyperion
      You, with your worldview, with your dislike for these very Anglo-Saxons, and on a supernatural level, as a teacher, are not very objective and not quite, frankly speaking, adequate.

      Come on, come on. laughing
      Another Russian intelligence officer, Colonel of the General Staff of Van Dam, at the turn of the last and the century before last said: "Worse than a war with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them."
      Since then, nothing has changed.
      Well, for polyglots and connoisseurs of ancient languages, it is known that the name of the father of lies is translated as LIAR and SLAVER ... well, there is also "a murderer from the beginning, who did not resist the truth ...". smile
      So everything is in the pocket, about the characteristics of the nation.
      am "devilish" laughing good bully
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 6 December 2020 11: 34
        -1
        Yes Yes. Anglo-Saxons are liars, and we all live in truth. The most honest and truthful people in our country end up in the government and the CEC. To be friends with the Anglo-Saxons is certainly bad. Whether it's the case with all sorts of Honduras ... The people there are simple, ingenuous ... They are the same as we are. They are also cheerful, sympathetic, do not steal or drink. The main thing is not to forget to forgive them debts and to throw some money from time to time. Well, so that they, for example, recognize the DPR. After all, it is so important in geopolitics for the country to be recognized by the conditional Nicaragua. Without this recognition, it is a shame to enter the UN as well ...
        1. bayard
          bayard 6 December 2020 19: 54
          0
          It's good that you are so self-critical.
          But the "rulers" of the modern Russian Federation are the subjects of the British queen. yes
          All those who have passed the rite of passage are as such.
          So with regard to them, everything is fair - one field "husbands of the scapegoat."
          \ for some reason, the robot bans even such an innocent name of a useful animal ... \
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 5 December 2020 12: 32
    +4
    I am builder! Building houses. I can create a whole photo album of objects! So I'm laying my "brick", only it does not go into greatness, but into a support, so that what is left does not collapse completely!
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 5 December 2020 13: 54
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I am builder! Building houses. I can create a whole photo album of objects!

      And I am the operator of this set up by the builders. I would select diplomas from a significant part of our "great" builders and send them some kind of ditch to dig manually, either the designers or the assemblers. There are so many shoals in the new building that in a couple of years half of the objects can be repaired. I am terribly disappointed in our construction industry. request Nothing personal, it just boiled over time.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 5 December 2020 13: 57
        +8
        I am a specialist in foundations. I say right away - there is not a single Leaning Tower of Pisa among the objects of my construction. And not a single house collapsed. I sleep well.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 5 December 2020 14: 20
          +5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And not a single house collapsed.

          Well, thank God!!! In my apartment in different corners, the ceiling height differs by 5 cm. laughing And how the roofs flow, both flat and multi-pitched, it is simply impossible to express without a mat. And to the foundations, yes, there are no questions ... laughing
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 12: 32
    +13
    Quote: Finches
    We still live in a great country, which, simply, has not the easiest times - and your pessimism is in some way criminal! You need not whine - but work and think!

    Your endless praise of the Yeltsin-Putin oligarchic regime, which brought the country to such a state, is criminal.
    1. Finches
      Finches 5 December 2020 12: 51
      -15%
      Personally, I live in a great country - Russia! And you live in a world of your own illusions of constant whining ... And I considered and still consider Yeltsin a criminal - he sold the USSR, being in the same positions in which you are now - "we demand change" - for American money laughing And I like GDP - a man of action, not a balabol theorist, unlike some!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 13: 13
        +15
        Quote: Finches
        And I like GDP - a man of action, not a balabol theorist, unlike some!

        But his deeds and his camarilla lead the country to collapse and degradation.
        Quote: Finches
        And I considered and still consider Yeltsin a criminal

        How is Yeltsinism different from Putinism? How significant are the differences? Are not the same "effective managers" in power under Yeltsin and under Putin?
        Quote: Finches
        Personally, I live in a great country - Russia! And you live in a world of your own illusions of constant whining ..

        The USSR was great, Russia - its pale shadow, mediocrely devouring the Soviet legacy. It is you who live in a world of illusions, carefully fed to you by all sorts of nightingale and brace.
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 December 2020 13: 35
          -16%
          I wrote everything to you as I think - and you have the right to reason as you please! We returned Crimea, returned to Syria, put a little order in Georgia, Ukraine - indicated its place (near the bucket), despite the 100% support of all "progressive" humanity, we do not praise the gay community, which is probably why you are sad .. We have built a cosmodrome and our satellites fly into space, we have the largest fleet of icebreakers and control the Arctic ... We sell grain in the USA ... China is far away - and why? Because such, I beg your pardon, and I repeat, penetrated the USSR - "everything was bad for you", perestroika began to please the whiners - and China has rolled its whiners into the asphalt with caterpillars and has been developing since 1978 according to the plan! And you and others like you again want a revolution - you are an Anglo-Saxon hirer, probably! They also really want the next changes to happen in Russia! laughing
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 13: 59
            +15
            Quote: Finches
            And you and your kind again want a revolution - you are an Anglo-Saxon hirer, probably! They also really want the next changes to happen in Russia!

            If you are so ignorant that by revolution you mean Gorbachev's collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian Maidan, the Georgian "Rose Revolution", then I will remind you that revolution means a change in the socio-economic formation from a regressive to a progressive one. That is, during the bourgeois revolution, the regressive feudal socio-economic formation was replaced by a more progressive - bourgeois, during the socialist revolution, respectively, the regressive bourgeois formation, was replaced by the progressive, that is, socialist. In the 90s, for example, there was a rollback to the previous socio-economic formation. This phenomenon is called a reaction. Study at least a school history course.
            Quote: Finches
            We built a cosmodrome and our satellites fly into space

            While they fly, if everything goes as it goes, we will only listen to Rogozin's songs.
            Quote: Finches
            It's far from China - why? Because, I beg your pardon, and I repeat, the USSR penetrated - "everything was bad for you", perestroika began to please the whiners - and China rolled the whiners into the asphalt with caterpillars

            To put it roughly and inaccurately, the GKChP won in China. And our party and Komsomol elite carried out a criminal privatization, got their hands on Soviet assets and are now in power. So, no "infiltrated USSR" has anything to do with it. As nightingales with the company are now, they were also bred by Yakovlev with the company, if you have forgotten, of course.
            Quote: Finches
            we do not praise the gay community, which is probably why you are sad ...

            That quite the arguments are over? Couldn't think of anything smarter?
            Quote: Finches
            We returned Crimea, returned to Syria, put some order in Georgia, Ukraine - indicated its place (near the parasha)

            They returned Crimea, having lost Ukraine for many years. How many times have Barmaley people been defeated in Syria? In general, "so-so" successes in foreign policy.
            1. Finches
              Finches 5 December 2020 14: 18
              -8
              You are lumping everything together, calling me ignorant, but I am not offended - what does the perestroika of 1985, the collapse of the USSR in 1991 and today's Ukraine and Putin, for example, have to do with it? How do you interconnect all this?
              And as for the arguments - I have something to compare with (I wrote it 1000 times here, but for people like you I will repeat myself again) - I compare it with the 90s - and this is a very significant comparison not in favor of the 90s and not in benefit of the last years of the life of the USSR - when everyone suddenly wanted "changes"! You probably also wanted a change! Here is the result ... laughing Therefore, I do not want any more changes and I like VVP as the leader of Russia!
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 14: 28
                +9
                Quote: Finches
                I compare with the 90s

                In the 90s, the salary was not paid, today there is simply no work, and if there is, then the salary is only enough for a communal apartment and a doshirak. What difference does it make to me?
                Quote: Finches
                calling me ignorant

                Yeah, "but what about us?"
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                How is Yeltsinism different from Putinism? How significant are the differences? Are not the same "effective managers" in power under Yeltsin and under Putin?

                You have not answered the questions and, as I understand it, you are not going to answer.
                1. Fungus
                  Fungus 5 December 2020 14: 42
                  -12%
                  In the 90s, the salary was not paid, today there is simply no work, and if there is, then the salary is only enough for a communal apartment and a doshirak. What difference does it make to me?

                  An old training manual. I know a Belarusian who works in Russia for the second apartment of his second daughter. Works as a turner. There are plenty of jobs in the country. There is already nowhere to put cars in the courtyard of big traffic jams already in small towns. New housing is being bought up like hot cakes. You have very old manuals) Although you probably are not from Russia.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 14: 49
                    +8
                    Quote: Fungus
                    already earned the second apartment for his second daughter. Works as a turner. There are plenty of jobs in the country.

                    I already understood that you have your own country on your TV.
                  2. Fungus
                    Fungus 5 December 2020 14: 51
                    -11%
                    Come out of the house and not hang around Navalny's sites.
                  3. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 15: 05
                    +4
                    Quote: Fungus
                    Come out of the house and not hang around Navalny's sites.

                    The fact that you are a "great intellectual" I have already understood.
            2. Finches
              Finches 5 December 2020 14: 50
              -8
              You are not Russian or what? I answered you everything through comparing the 90s (Yeltsin) and 2000 (Putin)! And I also compare it on my own skin through the prism of army service - what happened after the collapse of the Red Banner and Legendary and what we came to in the year of my dismissal from service in 2019 ... From total betrayal and collapse, to rearmament, social security and restoration of respect in all over the world! I have something to compare with - and this is the main answer to all your questions for me personally! This is my life - from the USSR to today's Russia - and the spirit of its Imperial greatness, Soviet power is in everyone who survived the 90s and did not give up ... But there were always enough whiners - there is Navalny, Kasparov, suffering ... Some commentators here "I quit the army, because everyone offended me there" ... You are nervous, but the caravan is going! wink
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 15: 03
                +5
                Quote: Finches
                You are not Russian or what? I answered you everything by comparing the 90s (Yeltsin) and 2000 (Putin)!

                You did not answer anything, one pathos in your comments. You can, of course, not be too lazy and find a relatively accurate number of enterprises closed under Yeltsin and Putin. Under Putin, much more has closed and sold out than under Yeltsin. Don't you know that today a clan "neo-feudal" state is being built, which will not bring anything good to ordinary people. Can't you see what medicine and education have become? Refute me if you can, of course. I would be glad to be wrong.
              2. Finches
                Finches 5 December 2020 15: 23
                -4
                I am not familiar with education by hearsay - in the strategic plan, excesses were made in favor of general European integration with the rejection of the achievements of the Soviet school, but after the 2000s good money went to education - and today universities and teachers are not the same as in 90 -x (for example, an associate professor at the Military Academy (not a military one) gets somewhere under 100, and sometimes more, in a civil university, they are also not particularly poor today, unlike in the 90s), the equipment of universities is reaching world standards - very large money is invested in it! Medicine, this is - yes, probably, but again - I, as attached to the Military Medical Academy (as well as my family members), also have the opportunity to compare with its evolution! There are enough problems, but to say that there is no development is simply not true! I somehow flew to Krasnoyarsk for a symposium (I will not specify where), the respected director of the institute complains - they allocated 1 billion rubles, I urgently need to master it - I decided to build an educational building, but I do not have time with the project, they say, they will take the money ...

                I have already cited, here as an example - it happened to me to drive a car all over Kuzbass in the summer (in August) and I was pleasantly surprised that the fields along the roads are not desolate, as it was 20 years ago, but cultivated - cabbage, potatoes , rye ... There is equipment in the field, people ...!

                I travel around the country and see with my eyes what is happening and compare, but how was it 20 years ago! So to speak empirically I compare! I love trains especially - very clearly (what was in the 90s) and like now ... In 2012 I was in the Ukrainian Crimea - I traveled, I was especially impressed by the local electric trains and trains - in 2012 they still lived like we did in 1997, and in 1997 I was in Kiev - then we lived approximately, the same - Ukraine remained in 1997, and we no longer exist!

                That's the trick - if you don't be too unfounded - everything is learned in comparison! And my pathos is pride that we were able to come to our senses after Gorbachek-Yeltsin Judaism (in the sense of betrayal) and again became the State!
              3. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 16: 46
                +3
                Well, here's how to talk is much better than this:
                Quote: Finches
                You are an Anglo-Saxon hirer
                Or so:
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                You are so ignorant

                smile smile
                The whole problem is that we are in different social strata, and we have different views on the same things. You write:
                Quote: Finches
                and I was pleasantly surprised that the fields along the roads are not desolate, as it was 20 years ago, but cultivated - cabbage, potatoes, rye ... There is machinery in the field, people ...!

                I can see the other side, 8 years ago there were about 100 cattle in my village, today there are less than 20. One of the reasons, nowhere to graze, plowed under the very gardens, nowhere to put the goat. When there was a collective farm, there were several kindergartens and 2 schools. The settlement consists of several villages. Today there are no kindergartens at all, but the school is left alone. 90% of the land belongs to two private owners, they grow grain and sell it to Turkey, as far as I know. They don't give a damn about the roads, the FAP, the school, the problems of the people, there is no money in the budget of the settlement, and where do they come from there.
                Quote: Finches
                but after the 2000s good money went into education - and today universities and teachers ...

                The head teacher was taken to the village school, I know her well, she had not worked at school for a minute before, "teacher of mathematics and computer science", his wife explained to her daughter addition to the column, she herself could not explain. Her friend got a job in the same school as an English teacher, studied in the same specialty, "teacher of mathematics and computer science", did not finish English courses, dropped out. They settled down not "by pull", but through the employment center.
                Quote: Finches
                Medicine, this is - yes, probably, but again - I, as attached to the Military Medical Academy ...

                You definitely noticed this. We have glasses for the child to pick up to go to Krasnodar, or paid.
                Since that. Do you think I can be happy with this state of affairs? Society is becoming more and more stratified, and social inequality is growing. All of this can lead to a social explosion. I do not like this. I am in favor of the revolution, it is not necessarily bloody. But I am categorically against different "Maidans".
              4. Finches
                Finches 5 December 2020 18: 57
                -2
                I apologize if I touched you with something! hi But the fact of the matter is that Putin has nothing to do with it - he plays by the rules of capitalism, but tries to comply with the national interests of Russia, and the rest of the market - and it is inherently anti-human, since it is not the person who is put at the head, but the dollar (income , surplus value) is the essence of a market economy and it does not care about people! If your neighbor is a farmer - he doesn't care about you, he doesn't care only about himself! Hence the stratification, which is also the natural state of capitalism!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 18
    0
    Revolution is understood as the change of the socio-economic formation from regressive to progressive. It doesn't matter now any revolution or coups - these are the interests of specific groups of people and those who finance them, and they all did not lead to anything good, and will not lead only to regression.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 6 December 2020 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      Revolution is understood as the change of the socio-economic formation from regressive to progressive. It doesn't matter now any revolution or coups - these are the interests of specific groups of people and those who finance them, and they all did not lead to anything good, and will not lead only to regression.

      You write nonsense. A revolution and a coup are completely different things, do not confuse the concepts. The revolution is not carried out in the interests of some persons, the revolution is carried out in the interests of the classes of society. Name me at least one revolution that led to regression. Do not confuse it with Maidans and other "color revolutions".
  • VORON538
    VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 09
    -1
    And who should the people choose? Zhirinovsky? Yavlinsky? Navalny? Zyuganov? Ah, he was a revolutor-Maltsev, he did not reach the elections with his slogans about the pogroms. Do these comrades do not understand that it is time for them to retire? And, although I always voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation , their candidates began to embarrass Zyuganov for a long time now on vacation, his grandchildren were already attached to bread places (not by teachers, carpenters, plumbers), Grudinin turned out to be overseas accounts in banks, Zhirinovsky was well attached to his son, Yavlinsky was a complete pro-American fiasco (also on O), Navalny-and the children and property behind the cordon, like himself ... And where is their closeness to the common people ??? family in a row. a shack even in Belarus, go out! Because the candidate for whom I can vote, no, although ... there is one ... AGAINST ALL I draw and put a tick!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: VORON538
      And who should people choose?

      I will not write here about bourgeois elections. We both know that the conventional "milling machine operator Vasily Petrovich", whether he is even three times honest and decent person, has no chance.
      It's time to organize from the bottom.
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 5 December 2020 14: 28
        -8
        You two percent will suffer for another 12 years. That is how long Putin will rule. So whine and pour more)
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 21
          +1
          Putin will leave in 2024 and put Mishustin or someone else in his place - and these disgruntled whiners, loafers, who are always dissatisfied with everything, will whine and moan until the end of their days.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 5 December 2020 14: 30
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    But his deeds and his camarilla lead the country to collapse and degradation.

    For Putin, they may lead to collapse, but for the Soviet leaders, about whom here through one good memories, with Soviet education, power and space and many others, the country really collapsed.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    How is Yeltsinism different from Putinism? How significant are the differences? Are not the same "effective managers" in power under Yeltsin and under Putin?

    Obviously, your education and life experience does not allow you to distinguish between different economic directions of life. Should you ask questions that you cannot understand the answers to? Indeed, they say that in our country the best experts on all problems of geopolitics and macroeconomics are waiters and taxi drivers. You should talk about your professional issues, why climb into the unknown jungle?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 14: 46
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      Obviously, your education and life experience does not allow you to distinguish between different economic directions of life.

      Explain to me, please, these very "different economic directions of life."
      Quote: Hagen
      Should you ask questions that you cannot understand the answers to?

      Well, do me a favor, explain it so that I would understand. Especially about "different economic directions of life."
      Quote: Hagen
      Indeed, they say that in our country the best experts on all problems of geopolitics and macroeconomics are waiters and taxi drivers.

      Is that you about yourself?
      Quote: Hagen
      You should talk about your professional issues, why climb into the unknown jungle?

      What can you, my young friend, know about my "professional questions"? Are you not a psychic for an hour? Or are you guessing at coffee?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 5 December 2020 15: 28
        -3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Explain to me, please, these very "different economic directions of life."

        Do you want about different directions? Excuse me ... Remember who held loans-for-shares auctions? In whose hands the controlling stakes in oil companies have gathered (YUKOS, for example, and its burdensome business). See who controls the oil and gas industry today. Remember where the state-owned concerns came from in the main strategic industries. Remember? And the difference will be somewhat clearer.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What can you, my young friend, know about my "professional questions"?

        Do you want to say that you are older than me? laughing Found something to be proud of ... You will die faster ... and it makes all the difference. I do not know about your professional issues and I am not interested in knowing. But the fact that you are a layman in matters of macroeconomics can be seen with the naked eye. And it is clear that you will not earn a living with this category of knowledge, i.e. this is not your profession. Did I make myself clear? I have nothing against you personally, just accept it as fact. hi
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 18: 15
          -1
          Quote: Hagen
          Remember who held the loans-for-shares auctions?

          What is this character doing now, can you remind me?
          Quote: Hagen
          In whose hands the controlling stakes in oil companies have gathered (Yukos, for example, and its burdensome business). See who controls the oil and gas industry today.

          If you are implying that oil and gas companies have become state-owned, then you are wrong. Learn the difference between a joint stock company and a state enterprise.
          Quote: Hagen
          But the fact that you are a layman in matters of macroeconomics can be seen with the naked eye.

          You probably graduated from HSE, an expert in macroeconomics?
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 5 December 2020 18: 46
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Learn the difference between a joint stock company and a state enterprise.

            Are you like ... on Saturdays or what? laughing I have formulated a question for you Russians on white about owning a controlling stake. Where did I indicate that Gazprom and Rosneft are state-owned? I hint that these companies are controlled by the state, and Putin began to collect them under state control, for which he put Miller over him. You obviously do not know how the EBN tried with all its might to bankrupt Gazprom so that it would privatize its assets at an accelerated pace, including to foreign buyers ... In the same way, the state controls the main strategic enterprises, uniting them into corporations. There are also state corporations, and they appeared under Putin.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            What is this character doing now, can you remind me?

            The main inventor in the coffin in white slippers, already 13 years old. sad Or do you consider the red-haired demon an independent political figure? laughing
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 23
      +1
      "And by space" In the space sphere, the USSR began to hand over to the United States in the late 60s.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 5 December 2020 13: 50
    +3
    GDP is the enemy of the people. Like all his nukers. For - bourgeois. It is simply amazing that for 20 years of his reign there are characters who have not realized this simple truth.
    1. dima314
      dima314 5 December 2020 14: 02
      +3
      just in such a system of power the next prezik will be the same or worse. Alas, the election system does not change
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 37
      -4
      Now think about how many of the population that have become "bourgeois" (as you say) has property, and how it will meet your cries about "take and divide"
      There will be a civil war, and your supporters will clearly be less
      Why do you need trouble? Again ask your homies to bring in the invaders?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 5 December 2020 17: 35
        0
        Quote: VORON538
        Now think about how many of the population that have become "bourgeois" (as you say) has property, and how it will meet your cries about "take and divide"

        Someone was talking about "take from the population and divide"? Your "barbershop" is of no interest to anyone. Or are you leading something bad in the nationalization of the extractive industry, strategic industries and the banking sector?
        Quote: VORON538
        There will be a civil war, and your supporters will clearly be less
        Why do you need trouble? Again ask your homies to bring in the invaders?

        Remind me who started the civil war, how did it start? Remember the school history course. It was your "sidekicks", Kolchak, Semenov and others who invited the invaders. The Bolsheviks did not cooperate with the interventionists.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 39
          0
          Are you leading something bad in the nationalization of the extractive industries, strategic industries and the banking sector? Privatization does not make any sense in any way, it will not affect the welfare of the country and the people, to the maximum that it will give it five trillion a year for the budget, and this is on the scale of the restoration of all fixed assets, which are estimated at 90 trillion rubles - a tiny amount. The only way out is a sharp growth of the entire economy - but in the current conditions of the global economic crisis associated with the pandemic, as well as numerous sanctions against us, such an increase is impossible.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 6 December 2020 17: 16
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Are you leading something bad in the nationalization of the extractive industries, strategic industries and the banking sector?

            No, I don’t see, on the contrary, the nationalization of these sectors will have a positive effect on the economy as a whole, will allow, for example, to conduct long-term planning, will allow funds to be invested in the development of industry, and not in the pockets of oligarchs, etc. As for the banks, only nationalization will make it possible to put an end to their usurious policy.
            Quote: Vadim237
            Privatization does not make any sense in any way, it will not affect the welfare of the country and the people, to the maximum that it will give it five trillion a year for the budget, and this is on the scale of the restoration of all fixed assets, which are estimated at 90 trillion rubles - a minuscule.

            I have not said a word about privatization and have never campaigned for it.
            Quote: Vadim237
            The only way out is a sharp growth of the entire economy - but in the current conditions of the global economic crisis associated with the pandemic, as well as numerous sanctions against us, such growth is impossible.

            What makes you think that growth is not possible? Look what was the growth of the USSR economy during the "Great Depression" and the sanctions were the same then.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 27
      0
      "VVP is the enemy of the people. Like all its nukers." Enemies of the people and the country as a whole are like you whiners and mediocrities with your information trash on the Internet. And everyone already knows about all the problems and solves them as best they can.
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 5 December 2020 15: 32
    +2
    Personally, I live in a great country - Russia!

    Based on your comment, you live in a yellow house with soft walls.
  • military_cat
    military_cat 5 December 2020 14: 52
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    You need not whine - but work and think!

    To spend the results of labor "effective manager" on a yacht? It is not very clear who will get better from this, except for the mentioned manager.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 12: 27
    0
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...

    That changed the country ... for "changes" ... And the Chinese brought tanks to the square, and "rolled out" the thirsty ... IMHO, that is why we are now looking at them from the bottom up ... Although compared to the bends of the "Cultural Revolution "Stalin's repressions are children's games in the sandbox ... Ideology, even if it is" not democratic, "is much more productive than its absence, and replacing it with the slogan" contact "... beloved ... poured. conservation law, however. Well, there, more rationally, there are fewer stupid losses - but this is secondary ...
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 5 December 2020 12: 46
      -6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...

      That changed the country ... for "changes" ... And the Chinese brought tanks to the square, and "rolled out" the thirsty ... IMHO, that is why we are now looking at them from the bottom up ... Although compared to the bends of the "Cultural Revolution "Stalin's repressions are children's games in the sandbox ... Ideology, even if it is" not democratic, "is much more productive than its absence, and replacing it with the slogan" contact "... beloved ... poured. conservation law, however. Well, there, more rationally, there are fewer stupid losses - but this is secondary ...

      you have such a desire to kill someone. How can the concept of guts be released to unarmed demonstrators. Do you really think that the killing of unarmed disgruntled people is the starting point for the country's prosperity?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 13: 03
        +7
        Quote: Observer2014
        you have such a desire to kill someone. How can the concept of guts be released to unarmed demonstrators. Do you really think that the killing of unarmed disgruntled people is the starting point for the country's prosperity?

        How many people died on the territory of the former USSR as a result of its collapse? Millions. (The pogroms of Baku and Sumgait, the wars in Tajikistan and Fergana, Chechnya, Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Ukraine, finally ...) ... It would be worth the arrest and execution of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and his neighbors as traitors to the Motherland. ..?
        So, hypothetically. It just had to be done in 86, and not later ... Before Malta. Surgeons save the patient's life, but blood is being poured!
        1. Pechkin
          Pechkin 5 December 2020 14: 46
          +1
          Do not think that I am for the collapse of the USSR, it is a pity that there was no leader who could keep the country from creeping (this would save the lives of a huge number of people from many wars and national cleansing in the territory of the former USSR). Also start economic reforms, but not all to dust but gradually. For example, in the Rostov region, introduce a capitalist economy and if you want to do business go there. If you want a stable job and a salary (but small) without risks, sit in the Pskov region and sharpen pedals for three types of bicycles. Also controlling the trade between the regions where you are already introduced a capital system and areas with social economy (because the social areas will not withstand competition and let capital regions work partly for export). And so gradually modernize the country, while maintaining political stability. But now we have what we have, but it would be huge a strong country with a powerful internal market (the size of the population would allow) and an economy, but everyone fled to the corners and formed a bunchSatrapies and satellite countries.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 December 2020 17: 53
          0
          It just had to be done in 86, and not later ... Before Malta. This would not have saved the USSR from the economic crisis and subsequent events in any way, and where economic and food problems wait for new politicians and the USSR would not have had a choice to switch to a market economy with all the ensuing reduction in the bloated army, the elimination of some of the military-industrial complex enterprises, the closure of unprofitable factories and factories across the country and stratification of the population.
    2. Pechkin
      Pechkin 5 December 2020 13: 13
      -9
      (Individual enrichment is just a REDISTRIBUTION, I took it from many, to myself, to my beloved ... I poured the law of conservation, however.) What nonsense are you talking about, you are not a teenager living in the world of pink ponies, people are not ants and money is one thing China began to develop when Deng Xiaoping began to build "socialism with Chinese characteristics" carried out economic reforms, left the planned economy, merged into the world economy. Allowed foreign companies to work on very good conditions (cheap, disenfranchised labor force) no ecology and greenpeace. In general, China began to work, and not to deal with slogans about a bright future. China has private property and good economic freedoms. But politically everything is tough, only one party. But maybe this is important for their stability and local specifics (without the difference is the dictatorship in Singapore or democracy in South Korea, the main thing is that it works) In general, if China did not engage in capitalization of the economy, we would have another North Korea, only more more.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 13: 23
        +4
        Quote: Pechkin
        What the hell are you talking about, you are not a teenager living in the world of pink ponies, people are not ants and money is one of the motivations

        Apparently you have not read Marx ... It happens, but I had to ... Redistribution of the added value created by human labor ... Unjust, in favor of the owners of the means of production ... this is about capital accumulation. This is the answer about the redistribution of public wealth.
        And who sent the tanks to Tiananmen Square? Not Deng Xiaoping? Defending these very "market reforms"?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 5 December 2020 13: 36
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Apparently you have not read Marx ...

          And I liked it more about "(cheap, disenfranchised labor force)" ... the Chinese also have labor legislation, and wages grow in accordance with the growth of production, and pensions are the same - everything is in dynamics in accordance with the growth of the economy.
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 5 December 2020 13: 57
            +2
            Now, more or less, but when everything became there, the rights and conditions were like the workers of the 19th century. That is why cheap goods. Do you think that American and European companies would start building factories (transfer production) in China if there were high wages and social .payments. Meaning of lower production costs.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 05
              0
              Quote: Pechkin
              Now, more or less, but when everything became there, the rights and conditions were like the workers of the 19th century had. That's why cheap goods. Do you think that American and European companies would start building factories in China if there were high wages and social benefits.

              In addition to the salary, there are a lot of other expenses, which are very significant in Europe, but in China then there was no need to pay.
              1. Pechkin
                Pechkin 5 December 2020 14: 52
                0
                I also wrote about ecology and it is clear that there is less tax nugruzka. But you really think that John at the Ford plant in America receives the same as Weimin at the Ford plant in China.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 58
                  -2
                  Quote: Pechkin
                  But do you really think that John at the Ford plant in America receives the same as Weimin at the Ford plant in China.

                  And why such a conclusion?
          2. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 14: 12
            +2
            Quote: mat-vey
            , and wages grow in accordance with the growth of production, and pensions are the same - everything is in dynamics in accordance with the growth of the economy

            You ... Read it first. Who has pensions and salaries there ... And how does the peasantry live, which is more than half of the population ... And there is no Internet. In our understanding. And recognition by the mass of signs is already working. You can go to the store and take what you need without showing anything. The purchase will be debited from your account automatically ... And in some places, even across the street to the red one, they will be identified, and they will send a fine, and the points will be removed. Social ... THEM's digital concentration camp is already much more advanced than anywhere else in the world ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 19
              0
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              You ... Read it first. Who has what pensions and salaries there ...

              And that everything is done overnight?
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Their digital concentration camp is already much more advanced than anywhere else in the world ...

              Well, we would have wanted something worse, but only - God did not give horns to a whipping cow. You have to pay for a concentration camp, but for a digital one even more.
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              And in some places, already across the street to the red one, they will be identified, and a fine will be sent,

              And we have cameras on the roads just hanging ...
          3. VORON538
            VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 24
            0
            Does everyone have pensions or only a certain part of the population? Enlighten, preferably not with links, but with your own text! A long time ago, on the train, a Chinese man asked me how much I gave to go to the army on a contract. I was naturally surprised, and he said that it is honorable for them and not everyone gets there, so you have to give a bribe (about corruption in China)
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 43
              +1
              Quote: VORON538
              Does everyone have pensions or only a certain part of the population?

              "and pensions are the same - everything is in dynamics in accordance with economic growth." Well, when there was no one, then only civil servants, and now the majority (this part is larger than the population of Russia).
              Quote: VORON538
              I was naturally surprised, but he said that it was an honor for them and not all

              "In Chapter 10, Articles 53-65 of the" Law on the Military Service of the PRC "specifically define various material benefits that the officers and soldiers of the PLA should have. In particular, according to Article 53, the state provides the conditions of active service corresponding to the duties of military personnel, including monetary allowances , allowances, cash incentives, etc. Active servicemen also enjoy vacations, sanatorium treatment, medical care, living quarters and other types of material benefits in accordance with the rules. In accordance with the level of socio-economic development, the state increases the level of social security for military personnel. An insurance regime has been established for military personnel, which is combined with the social insurance system.According to article 54, the state has established and is improving the employment regime for demobilized soldiers, offering various specific employment options. they choose a job, retire, receive a salary, have the opportunity to continue their studies, etc. According to article 60, conscripts after demobilization can enter secondary vocational school without entrance examinations, and those who pass exams for admission to a university receive additional points and other benefits. Those who enter a university or secondary vocational school receive a scholarship from the state during the year. According to article 61, retired sergeants who have given 12 years of service or more can get a job with the assistance of the people's government at the county level and above in the area where they are located. While waiting for employment, the people's government of the area, according to the relevant state regulations, provides them with an allowance; sergeants who have served 30 years or more or who have reached the age of 55 receive pensioner status. According to article 64, administrative bodies, public organizations, enterprises and budgetary institutions are obliged to accept and accommodate retired military personnel, during recruitment and recruitment of employees and under equal conditions, they must accept demobilized military personnel in the first place. "
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 51
                -1
                That is, they seem to have pensions, but not all
                I already know about the PLA, the question is about employment in the civil service and bribes for it!
                At the same time, describe about "social credit" and total surveillance in China, which ensures the high discipline of the population
                Many people here will not like this! By the way, in China you would already be sitting for your comments.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 56
                  0
                  Quote: VORON538
                  the question is about employment in the civil service and bribes for it!

                  Do you believe in elves, especially since there are many centuries-old, if not millennial traditions with gifts for officials in China.
                  Quote: VORON538
                  At the same time, describe about "social credit" in China
                  Many people here will not like this!

                  Once again - "And that everything is done overnight?"
                  Quote: VORON538
                  That is, they seem to have pensions, but not all

                  That is - "everything is in dynamics in accordance with the growth of the economy."
                  1. VORON538
                    VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 57
                    -3
                    In general, "oil oil" you get lol
                    Your agitation did not work!
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 5 December 2020 14: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: VORON538
                      In general, "oil oil" lol

                      In general, that China is not the same as it was 30 years ago, and why don't you understand this?
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 5 December 2020 16: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: VORON538
                  By the way, in China you would already be sitting for your comments.

                  “Everyone is well aware of the role the Internet plays in the life of modern man and humanity. There are also risks there ... We must bear in mind these risks and, having thought in advance, stop” - not all is lost ... and we have prospects.
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          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 14: 18
            -1
            Quote: Pechkin
            By the way, there is a lot of evidence that some of the protesters were against the capitalist and liberal reforms of the government, that is, against the market economy.

            Right. Some were in favor of accelerating reforms, while the workers were against. But most importantly, against the CCP's dictate.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 December 2020 15: 05
              0
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Right. Some were in favor of accelerating reforms, while the workers were against. But most importantly, against the CCP's dictate.

              Some were against accelerated industrialization, and then there was a war - a war of motors.
            2. Pechkin
              Pechkin 5 December 2020 15: 15
              -1
              (True. Some went for the acceleration of reforms, and the workers - against. But most importantly, against the dictatorship of the CCP) Even though we agree on this)
        3. Pechkin
          Pechkin 5 December 2020 14: 14
          0
          I wrote that one party, the CPC has a complete monopoly on power. But there were political demands on Tiananmen Square. By the way, there is a lot of evidence that some of the protesters opposed precisely the capitalist and liberal reforms of the government, that is, against the market economy.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 December 2020 12: 30
    -6
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Reading the news about the successes of China, I feel like a resident of some sort of Romania in the 80s, observing the successes of the USSR - there is a country nearby. With the same people, but with tremendous technological leaps!
    I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...

    wassat goodWe are like that laboratory for changing the order. We do not finish anything to the end. We built communism. We didn’t finish it. Well, admire China. I’m not talking about tsarism. laughing
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 26
      -3
      I will say more, you are experimenting with how many Maidans the country will survive (you came to us from Ukraine, you served a term there ...).
      The latter ended in territorial losses, but there is still a lot of interesting things ahead!
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 5 December 2020 14: 29
        -2
        Quote: VORON538
        I will say more, you are experimenting with how many Maidans the country will survive (you came to us from Ukraine, you served a term there ...).
        The latter ended in territorial losses, but there is still a lot of interesting things ahead!

        I'm actually from Russia. I'm afraid to be rude in the context of your comment and my own case. winkMay I not answer you?
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 40
          -2
          Yes, for God's sake, you don't have to answer
          Will you deny your military service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the 90s?

          Observer2014
          22 May 2014 19: 06
          +4
          IN 1993- 94 OF THE ARMY SERVED IN UKRAINE YOU BETTER NOT DESCRIBING WHAT WE DONBASS GUYS DID WITH THEM THERE
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 5 December 2020 16: 25
            -2
            Quote: VORON538
            Yes, for God's sake, you don't have to answer
            Will you deny your military service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the 90s?

            Observer2014
            22 May 2014 19: 06
            +4
            IN 1993- 94 OF THE ARMY SERVED IN UKRAINE YOU BETTER NOT DESCRIBING WHAT WE DONBASS GUYS DID WITH THEM THERE

            And what did we do with them? lol For example, I gave Igor from Lvov a knife. wassat"Bunny, this is a complete paragraph! I will put fact on any of your arguments. wassatAnd the whole joke that I never lied!
  • Alien From
    Alien From 5 December 2020 15: 49
    0
    I agree with you 100 percent. Full deja vu!
  • antivirus
    antivirus 5 December 2020 15: 51
    -1
    observing the successes of the USSR - there is a country nearby.

    - and above all it was the Ukrainian SSR-MSSR and the BSSR
  • Civil
    Civil 5 December 2020 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Reading the news about the successes of China, I feel like a resident of some sort of Romania in the 80s, observing the successes of the USSR - there is a country nearby. With the same people, but with tremendous technological leaps!
    I can't get used to the fact that as a child I lived in a Great Country, and now ...

    I will subscribe under every word! It couldn't be better.
  • Machito
    Machito 5 December 2020 12: 10
    +4
    And here the Chinese are overtaking us. Glory to Rogozmos !!!
    1. 220976
      220976 5 December 2020 16: 43
      +3
      Quote: Bearded
      And here the Chinese are overtaking us

      Maybe we just stopped striving forward because of the consumer society being introduced by the authorities?
      1. Machito
        Machito 5 December 2020 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: 220976
        Quote: Bearded
        And here the Chinese are overtaking us

        Maybe we just stopped striving forward because of the consumer society being introduced by the authorities?

        We simply do not go forward, our government does not need it. And the people are dying out and dying out. Women do not want to breed poverty. Let's drink to mammoths. Without clinking glasses drinks Were also Russians am
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 13 December 2020 01: 03
        +1
        Maybe we just do not have the ability to move forward in space programs?
  • svp67
    svp67 5 December 2020 12: 11
    +6
    When you read similar news about the successes of China, you just want to exclaim: "The guys in his place should have been us ..."
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 16
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      When you read similar news about the successes of China, you just want to exclaim: "The guys in his place should have been us ..."

      I wanted to joke and upload a fragment from the Diamond Hand ... but something is not joking.
      Sadness.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 5 December 2020 12: 19
      -3
      Quote: svp67
      When you read similar news about the successes of China, you just want to exclaim: "The guys in his place should have been us ..."

      https://youtu.be/zUZLipVxXy8
      Here, try to open it. And listen to the end of the song ".... coachman", Kabzon sang at 96. Answers to the "why" questions ...
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 11
    0
    And let's sell them Sea Launch ... until it gets rusty ..)) Or at least we'll change it for a trampoline ...
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 17
      +4
      Quote: SaLaR
      And let's sell them Sea Launch ... until it gets rusty ..))

      They will only buy it for pins and needles, and those who sell the money will steal.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 5 December 2020 12: 26
        +6
        But there will be an excuse ..why we CAN'T like China.
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 5 December 2020 12: 34
    +3
    Okay, "who is to blame" - found out. Now - "what to do"?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 5 December 2020 12: 38
      0
      Quote: acetophenon
      Okay, "who is to blame" - found out. Now - "what to do"?

      To remove those who are to blame, only to remove it hard.
      1. faiver
        faiver 5 December 2020 12: 46
        +3
        To remove those who are to blame, only to remove it hard.
        - who will clean up?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 5 December 2020 13: 53
          +2
          I started the revolution with 82 people behind me. If I had to repeat this, fifteen or even ten would be enough for me. Ten people and absolute faith. It doesn't matter how many you are. It is important to believe and it is important to have a clear plan. What we did was to teach us that there is nothing impossible. After all, what seemed impossible yesterday has become possible today. And therefore nothing will seem impossible to us tomorrow.

          Fidel Castro



          So the answer is simple - we will clean up. People. Who else is the Jupiter trooper?
        2. VORON538
          VORON538 5 December 2020 14: 29
          -4
          Probably a sling cutter with a.kabanets, baby, lexus, sylvester and svarog
          Personally lol
  • Maxamud
    Maxamud 5 December 2020 12: 35
    -1
    Well done Chinese! Rather than investing in US treasury bills, they are pumping huge investments into their economy and, most importantly, in the social sphere and evenly according to plan ..!
    Russia-USSR one can only envy this hi We have been serving our oligarchs for now (some were expelled, the seven-bankers, others immediately appeared) And the most important thing is no plan for the future .. So planning meetings, like let's build a bridge .. Or in Roskosmos the same boltology .. They steal shamelessly!
    The State Planning Committee of Russia is needed, then everything will be clear! In the meantime, some kind of throwing power.
    1. faiver
      faiver 5 December 2020 12: 44
      +6
      Rather than invest in US Treasury bills, they pump huge investments into their economy
      - first you would ask who is the largest holder of American government bonds, this is China ... hi
      1. Maxamud
        Maxamud 5 December 2020 14: 28
        -2
        Quote: faiver
        Rather than invest in US Treasury bills, they pump huge investments into their economy
        - first you would ask who is the largest holder of American government bonds, this is China ... hi

        And Japan and Korea !!!!, They won't give them back money There are trillions !!! And the US debts are already under $ 30 trillion. How will they write off?
        The West needs a war and it is desirable where there are many different resources to pay off and write off ..)))
        And who do you think this country will be? wink
  • Fungus
    Fungus 5 December 2020 12: 39
    -14%
    Wow Vlasov came running. If you notice they always lick the Americans and the Chinese. That's why the Vlasovites) By the way, we have a sea launch too.
    1. faiver
      faiver 5 December 2020 12: 45
      +9
      Are you the owner of S7? laughing
    2. Maxamud
      Maxamud 5 December 2020 14: 34
      -3
      Quote: Fungus
      Wow Vlasov came running. If you notice they always lick the Americans and the Chinese. That's why the Vlasovites) By the way, we have a sea launch too.

      They are already here as the owners Victor! bully Their time has come and some of them are "educating" them here and harassing everything and everyone that is connected with Russia-USSR, etc. negative
      Be careful, they will stumble and cover with complaints
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 5 December 2020 12: 52
    +7
    Thanks to China for regularly showing us our site. You look before people start to realize that all 30 years we have been going in the wrong direction. Despite the loud statements.
    1. 220976
      220976 5 December 2020 16: 34
      +7
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      You look, people will begin to understand that for all 30 years we have been going in the wrong direction

      People know this. There is no one that people will believe and follow him.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 5 December 2020 13: 02
    -10%
    Typical comments of oligophrenics all the propellers, China is building, and the authorities of the Russian Federation are to blame, the news is needed only to give a shit to Putena in his slippers. The fact that Russia over the past 120 years has lost 1/3 of its territories and 300 million population, having survived 2 bloody revolutions and WWII, this is all bullshit, this is also Puten's fault. Those who need to work and go forward, and mediocrities and trolls snot in the social. networks.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 5 December 2020 13: 08
    +8
    But Russia has a colony on the moon since 2015 - Tajiks have been digging helium.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 5 December 2020 13: 11
    +7
    In this case, you have to run very fast to stay in place.

    Reuse is at least 20s if the PH is planned to be sold. Even in ArianSpace, they are already at a firefighting pace that Arian is nailed to a return like Musk's. And the new Ariane6 is already experiencing a strong churn of potential customers. For what was profitable 5-7 years ago, today it hardly interferes with the market spread of prices in futures.


    The Chinese are actively reusing. The first reusable state missile will fly very soon.


    Private traders again present several variations at once. Among the leaders is the methane LandSpace, which burned through the first stage at FT, and burns through 2 now.

    Also on the way is the 2-ton Hyperbola-2 with return.


    ExSpace (the most successful Chinese private trader in real launches thanks to the Kuaizhou launch vehicle) lit a presentation for investors of a new generation of missiles - Kuaizhou 2 - 5xMetanks at 1 stage of 5/3 tons of output and return to the site.

    GalaktiEnergy (which launched Ceres1 recently successfully) is now making Pallas-1 with a vertical landing and the first launch at the end of 21st and beginning of 22 years. - 4 / 2t depending on the orbit.

    Americans are also churning out a bunch of projects. Spaceplane for garbage cans in a couple of days gained 1 billion investments and contracts, after the presentation wassat .

    The guys from Relavity have now attracted even more investments than necessary. And they work hard. These are the ones that offer an innovative approach to rocket production. People are not needed, robots, printers and automated assembly lines will do everything. Cheaper in the long term, faster and almost zero probability of error.
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 5 December 2020 13: 51
    +16
    The Chinese spaceport will also have an advantage due to its proximity to the equator.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 5 December 2020 14: 06
    +3


    And we have kids of effective managers.
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 5 December 2020 14: 51
      -4
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      And we have kids of effective managers.

      And also, she graduated from Moscow State University and worked for 20 years in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, defended her thesis. She gave birth to 2 children. Instead of driving foreign cars around Moscow .. Talented parents have similar offspring. So envy in silence, bilious people.
      1. GRIGORIY76
        GRIGORIY76 5 December 2020 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Senka Naughty
        Quote: GRIGORIY76
        And we have kids of effective managers.

        And also, she graduated from Moscow State University and worked for 20 years in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, defended her thesis. She gave birth to 2 children. Instead of driving foreign cars around Moscow .. Talented parents have similar offspring. So envy in silence, bilious people.


        Yeah, cool track record for a 29 year old woman. Especially 20 years in the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
        1. Clear
          Clear 5 December 2020 16: 40
          +1
          Quote: GRIGORIY76
          Quote: Senka Naughty
          Quote: GRIGORIY76
          And we have kids of effective managers.

          And also, she graduated from Moscow State University and worked for 20 years in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, defended her thesis. She gave birth to 2 children. Instead of driving foreign cars around Moscow .. Talented parents have similar offspring. So envy in silence, bilious people.


          Yeah, cool track record for a 29 year old woman. Especially 20 years in the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

          I don’t know about the Emergencies Ministry, but the fact that Ksenia is engaged in sports projects is for sure. Mostly the topic of her interest is running activities. What's wrong with that?
          In 2017, she initiated the ZaBeg half marathon, the first with a synchronized start. The runners were simultaneously started in 10 cities of Russia. She does not throw "mud" on anyone, unlike some Xenias. Well, and then - life will show ...
        2. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 5 December 2020 16: 58
          +2
          I agree, I'm talking about the older, younger athlete. I'm sorry.
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  • Dikson
    Dikson 5 December 2020 15: 38
    +4
    Eh .. we didn’t have time to sell Sea Launch to them on the sly ... Now it is unnecessary for them, ... but we will rot for nothing ...))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2020 17: 58
      0
      The sea launch will wait for the Irtysh rocket for another three years.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 5 December 2020 19: 38
        -2
        Here's more news from China - they announced that they had created a quantum computer 10 million times faster than Google's ... here are children's cheap radio-controlled toys and iPhone assemblers ... by the way - in November 2019 Rosatom announced the launch a project to create a domestic quantum computer, 24 billion rubles were allocated for the project until 2024 ... We live in historical times ... - some superpowers are replaced by others ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 December 2020 15: 43
          0
          What they have created is very far from the current computers - since it has neither software nor an input system, in fact, a bare laboratory system.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 6 December 2020 15: 59
            -1
            Well, you understand - any discovery or innovation is almost always a bare laboratory system in fact? And then the serious work begins .. So there is nothing wrong with that ..
  • NF68
    NF68 5 December 2020 19: 22
    0
    These will quickly fizzle out.