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Afghanistan: did the USSR have a chance to avoid a full-scale war

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Afghanistan: did the USSR have a chance to avoid a full-scale war

People who argue about the events in the DRA that took place there from 1979 to 1989 with the participation of tens of thousands of Soviet servicemen usually hold two completely opposite points of view: “There was nothing for us to do there! It was necessary not to climb at all! " - “Everything happened as it should! The decisions made, the tactics and strategy of the USSR in Afghanistan were correct and the only possible at that time and in the existing conditions! " These are extremes, and the truth, as a rule, lies somewhere in between.


So did the USSR have a chance to avoid a large-scale war in Afghanistan. Let's reflect.

It was, of course, unacceptable to ignore and react to the processes that took place at the end of the 70s of the last century on the southern borders of the Soviet Union. As subsequent events showed, those who said: "As soon as we leave Kabul, the Americans will be there," turned out to be completely and completely right. This is exactly what happened? Nevertheless, the full-scale participation of the Soviet army in hostilities, with the actual replacement of the local armed forces, can hardly be considered an ideal solution.

No matter how bitter it is to admit it, the USSR in Afghanistan repeated almost all the mistakes that the United States made in Vietnam at one time. Well, perhaps, to our credit, Soviet soldiers left the country in perfect order and with banners unfolded, and did not jump like squirrels into helicopters from the roof of their own embassy, ​​like the American Marines in Saigon ... However, the rest is human and material losses , and, most importantly, the final unsuccessful outcome of the military mission did take place.

Was there an alternative? Maybe. Let's imagine that in the same 1979, everything is limited to the introduction of a small military contingent necessary to carry out a change of power in the country and to hold it in the very first, critical period. After that, army units and subunits are withdrawn to places of permanent deployment in the USSR. “Is that all? You ask, "Are we giving up Afghanistan without a fight?" In no case. Our soldiers were bound to remain there - just not motorized infantry with tankers, but completely different forces and means necessary to control the situation in the country and perform other important tasks - a military base.

Let me remind you that practically the entire state system of Afghanistan was already "duplicated" by our advisers - "Mushavirs", as they were called there. It's not just about the army, state security or tsaranda (people's militia). Party and Komsomol workers, all major leaders had their own "Mushavers". They trained, explained, assisted, directed and supervised the “local cadres”. And, most importantly, they did not cause such irritation and rejection among the population as our troops did.

At various times, I had the opportunity to talk with many of those who carried out just such an advisory mission, and almost all of these people who had gone through Afghanistan and learned its truth from their own experience, asserted that only professionals should remain “beyond the river”. They also cited examples of statements by the Afghans themselves: "It would be nice if the Shuravi-Mushavers stayed, and the Shuravi-soldiers completely left!" In many respects, this approach was facilitated by the fact that the advisory corps was formed, for the most part, from people who were at least in some way guided by local specifics and customs, who tried not to make inadmissible mistakes and blunders, which, alas, the "army men" sometimes sinned.

Do not forget also that on the territory of Afghanistan, to perform tasks of particular importance and complexity, special forces still operated, and not only the GRU General Staff of the USSR. How many people know about the exploits of the special forces "Cascade", which belonged to the KGB and "Cobalt", formed from the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? I also had occasion to communicate with their fighters. There was a lot of sense from their invisible and work, but there was no unnecessary noise. In the end, the fact that the effectiveness of professionals specially trained in anti-terrorist tactics in conflicts like the Afghan one, as a rule, is much higher than the conduct of large-scale military operations, was proved by the experience of the same Chechen war.

Perhaps the Soviet army should have limited the use of its forces by air strikes, "pinpoint" operations with high efficiency, support of the government troops of Kabul with exclusively high-tech (at that time) means - such thoughts are already suggested by the very recent, much more positive than Afghan, experience of the Aerospace Forces Russia in the Syrian events. And, by the way, the US army, which entered Afghanistan and also tried to "pacify" it and take control, is now preparing to leave Afghanistan. With the result, frankly speaking, extremely close to zero ...

Be that as it may, today we can only with a greater or lesser degree of probability guess about how the leadership of the Soviet Union and the command of the Armed Forces could and should have done then. It is easy to judge and "disassemble" wars that have ended long ago ... For us, the main thing is to remember and honor their veterans, who in any case fulfilled their military duty to the end and with honor.
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 December 2020 08: 36
    +9
    My second trip to Afghanistan gave me the opportunity to talk with many officers of the Afghan army who graduated from military schools in the USSR. Several times in an informal setting, I met with the leader of the DOMA (Democratic Youth Organization of Afghanistan) in his Kabul apartment. The Afghan comrades have always said:
    "Help us, send help, advise how to build socialism, but take the troops to the Union."

    (Retired Guard Lieutenant Colonel Valery Grigorievich Marchenko "Afghan rift. Origins of world terrorism")
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 6 December 2020 08: 59
      +4
      Afghanistan: did the USSR have a chance to avoid a full-scale war

      Not entirely accurate and correct interpretation of the war in Afghanistan in terms of definitions.
      It is necessary to clarify that we are talking about a full-scale partisan a war, which, alas, could not be avoided (for that, as you know, there were many reasons, both internal Afghani and external), and not about a war of the armies of states in the conventional sense - army for army, front for the front.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 December 2020 09: 31
        +5
        Quote: BDRM 667
        It is necessary to clarify that we are talking about a full-scale guerrilla war, which, alas, could not be avoided

        This is what we are talking about. Leave the military in the capital, and let the locals sort it out among themselves in the mountains, the presence of foreign military acted on the mountaineers like a red bull.
        1. dauria
          dauria 6 December 2020 13: 52
          +3
          the presence of foreign military personnel acted on the mountaineers like red on a bull.


          A bit wrong. Itself did not really understand, not from my "six". Therefore, I will try to tell you how you see it yourself. I do not pretend to be true, I am not going to compose. I got there at the very beginning of 85th. Before Gorbach and his "April plenum". There are no railways. From automobiles - the route of life from Hairaton through Khumri, the tunnel on Salang to the capital. Real civil aviation in Kabul, you can even see a Boeing 727 there. The rest of the places are so, rare flights of Afghan An-26 and DHC-6 little things.
          In a word - a country without transport, communications and serious connections. Each piece can survive on its own. Plus, there are tribes with even different languages, Dari and Pashto. Power is in the center, even the army is scattered in places. But it is not she who rules the place. And the local king. Collects tribute, roofs, trades with foreign countries.
          And we got into this mess. And they climbed like a bear on the side of one. And he is glad, the chance turned up with our hands to crush the "rebellious" vassals. So we got it in someone else's war.
          Yes, he mentioned Gorbach for a reason. It was from the summer-fall of 85th that the amazing "ass" began. The spirits multiplied like locusts and became more insolent. I remember that the special officer even read out a summary of this case.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 December 2020 15: 05
            0
            Quote: dauria
            Power is in the center, even the army is scattered in places. But it is not she who rules the place. And the local king. Collects tribute, roofs, trades with foreign countries.
            And we got into this mess. And they climbed like a bear on the side of one. And he is glad, the chance turned up with our hands to crush the "rebellious" vassals. So we got it in someone else's war.

            That's right, but it was necessary to keep foreign policy under control, and let them deal with the local kings.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 6 December 2020 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: Dart2027
      "Help us, send help, advise how to build socialism, but take the troops to the Union."

      Yes Yes yes Of course of course yes

      But ... As practice shows, as soon as we (it does not matter whether it was the USSR or the Russian Federation) weaken our grip, something like "Independent Ichkeria" or, for example, "Independent Bandera Ukraine" immediately grows ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 21
        +5
        Quote: BDRM 667
        to loosen the grip, as something like "Independent Ichkeria" or, for example, "Independent Bandera Ukraine" immediately grows ...

        Do not compare the sinful with the righteous. Was there a partisan war in Ukraine? Are Afghans a kindred people to us? Did the introduction of our troops help Afghanistan? Did the troops fulfill the plans of the Central Committee of the CPSU? And there are many more questions. ...
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 6 December 2020 09: 35
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          You should not compare the sinful with the righteous. Was there a partisan war in Ukraine?

          What nonsense? Did we send troops there? On the contrary, they were taken out after the collapse of the USSR, and this is what grew there (photo):







          And these are only "harmless walkers", and the really acting ghouls also kill Russians in Donbass.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 58
            +6
            Quote: BDRM 667
            What kind of nonsense?

            That's it! You have compared Ukraine and Afghanistan!
            Answer the questions to understand your delirium
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 6 December 2020 10: 03
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              That's it! You have compared Ukraine and Afghanistan!

              And what, bacchanals there and there, are not comparable?
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 6 December 2020 14: 54
            +29
            Quote: BDRM 667
            Did we send troops there? On the contrary, they were withdrawn after the collapse of the USSR

            who pulled the troops out of Ukraine? Nuclear weapons were removed, but EVERYTHING remained: Odessa, Kiev, Carpathian military districts with people and weapons remained.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 6 December 2020 10: 12
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Did the introduction of our troops help Afghanistan? Did the troops fulfill the plans of the Central Committee of the CPSU? And there are many more questions. ...

          Comrade, I want to focus on three aspects.
          1. The social consequences within the country have not been calculated. Not only those units that were stationed "beyond the river" went to that war, but the whole country! Show me at least one kid of those years who would not dream of serving in "Afghan". And what was to be done with those who served? And with those who were not. And what is characteristic, the country has not yet fully returned from that war.
          2.Not taken into account the fact that the troops are "to strengthen" socialism in the dense Middle Ages, with all that it implies.
          3. No one could have assumed that in 1985 the union itself would begin to change for the worse.
          This is my humble IMHO.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 December 2020 09: 32
        -1
        Quote: BDRM 667
        if we (it doesn't matter whether it was the USSR or the Russian Federation) weaken our grip

        And there was no need to weaken. The point is that it was necessary to control the supreme power.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 6 December 2020 09: 38
          +6
          Quote: Dart2027
          And there was no need to weaken. The point is that it was necessary to control the supreme power.

          But we weakened and got. And in general, how to control someone else's power, if ours barely controls itself?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 December 2020 10: 37
            +1
            Quote: BDRM 667
            But weakened and got

            Not weakened, but completely abandoned.
            Quote: BDRM 667
            how to control someone else's power, if ours barely controls itself

            And what did the internal problems of the USSR change for the DB in Afghanistan?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 6 December 2020 12: 01
            +1
            Quote: BDRM 667
            And in general, how to control someone else's power, if ours barely controls itself?

            because you say right ... then hi
            so why are you talking ..
            Quote: BDRM 667
            to loosen the grip, as something like "Independent Ichkeria" or, for example, "Independent Bandera Ukraine" immediately grows up.

            After all, an adult!
            We must proceed from reality, not fantasy
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 6 December 2020 10: 22
        0
        Quote: BDRM 667
        But ... As practice shows, as soon as we (it does not matter whether it was the USSR or the Russian Federation) weaken our grip, something like "Independent Ichkeria" or, for example, "Independent Bandera Ukraine" immediately grows ...

        And when you write, you probably watch cartoons? Or porn? Or litter-tv? what pine is the same thing.
  2. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 December 2020 08: 37
    +13
    Let's imagine that in the same 1979, everything is limited to the introduction of a small military contingent, necessary to carry out the change of power in the country and keep it in the very first, critical period.

    A change of power was made, but Pakistani, Iranian and Chinese military aid to the ousted regime required the security of the pro-Soviet regime's supplies. This could not be done by a "small military contingent". Only after almost 10 years was found an adequate pro-Soviet leader - Najibullah, who kept all the Basmachis in the caves. And only his betrayal by EBNom turned Afghan into what we have now.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 December 2020 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: Aviator_
      Only after almost 10 years, an adequate pro-Soviet leader, Najibullah, was found, who kept all the Basmachis in the caves. And only his betrayal by EBNom turned Afghan into what we have now.

      I agree! At the time of the withdrawal, according to various sources, the troops controlled from 80 to 90% of the territory, and in general, Najib retained this status quo until the 90s and he asked Ebn for only diesel fuel and cartridges. But this ..... surrendered everything that the 40th Army conquered with such difficulty, then and with blood.
      So that even in hell it was empty for him !!! Amen!
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 December 2020 11: 24
        +3
        According to various sources, the troops controlled from 80 to 90% of the territory, and in general, Najib maintained this status quo until the 90s and he asked Ebn for only diesel fuel and cartridges.

        That's right, and drug traffic was minimal. But the owners of EBNa did not like it very much.
    2. yriuv62
      yriuv62 6 December 2020 12: 17
      0
      Moreover, in Afghanistan we fought not with the Afghan people, but with the entire West, led by America! And they used the dark Afghans as an expendable force. Without the intervention of the West, this whole war would have ended in a maximum of five years and without serious intervention by the Soviet Union.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 6 December 2020 15: 32
        +1
        Handsomely! Q. Do you want our probable opponents to applaud our occupation of a neighboring country and the murder of its president, albeit a lawless one, in the conditions of the Cold War? This does not happen - the USSR not only grossly violated international law, but did it grossly, ineptly and stupidly. And our opponents took advantage of this opportunity and inflicted maximum damage on us with minimal means, right up to the collapse of the Union.
  3. Walking
    Walking 6 December 2020 08: 42
    +10
    So the top leadership of the Union did not expect such resistance, as one of the old marshals said, what these bearded men in trousers could do against such a force as the Soviet army. So they miscalculated, they allowed the troops to be drawn into hostilities. And party advisers did not take into account local realities at all, trying to implant their vision of communism on unreasonable dekhans. In general, everything was not professional.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 24
      +7
      Quote: Hiking
      what can these bearded men in trousers do against such a force as the Soviet army.

      Something similar happened later, when Grachev wanted to pacify Chechnya with one regiment.
      A revaluation of the military component has always been pursued by our leadership. Now they have made good sense
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 6 December 2020 22: 05
        +1
        The bearded ones with their cartoons and boers could not do anything, but when they were organized and armed by all non-progressive humanity, then this started to appear completely different.
  4. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 6 December 2020 08: 52
    0
    It was so necessary. Otherwise, one can question the expediency of finding our guys in Transnistria, Karabakh, South Ossetia. Locating 201 Military Base in Kazakhstan. Return of Crimea. This is Big Politics.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 6 December 2020 09: 14
      +3
      Quote: Mykhalych
      ... Locating 201 Military Base in Kazakhstan.

      Already in Kazakhstan?))
      1. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 6 December 2020 10: 02
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        Already in Kazakhstan?))

        I beg your sweetest forgiveness - in Tajikistan ... repeat But the essence of the matter does not change however.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2020 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Transnistria, Karabakh, South Ossetia. Locating 201 Military Base in Kazakhstan. Return of Crimea.

      Is there a result? On a global scale? ”“ There is tactical success, but no strategic one.
      1. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 6 December 2020 10: 06
        +1
        Yes Yes; to argue about the strategic presence in Crimea ... lol Take a look at the map. hi Imagine that if it had not been for 2014 and the Americans stood there. SO WHAT...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2020 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: Mykhalych
          Yes Yes; to argue about the strategic presence in Crimea ...

          look at the map.
          American bases in Nikolaev, Berdyansk, Mariupol, possibly Kharkov, Sumy.
          Quote: Mykhalych
          SO WHAT..
          1. Mykhalych
            Mykhalych 6 December 2020 12: 10
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            American bases in Nikolaev, Berdyansk, Mariupol, possibly Kharkov, Sumy.

            But they would not have returned Crimea in 2014, so the Americans would have been there already, or they are taking over ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 December 2020 12: 25
              +1
              Quote: Mykhalych
              would have returned Crimea in 2014, so the Americans would have already

              There is a strategy and there is a tactic. Crimea is a tactic because it did not solve the strategic problem
          2. Salty
            Salty 6 December 2020 12: 22
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            American bases in Nikolaev, Berdyansk, Mariupol

            Could it be a little more detailed: what kind of bases are there?

            Quote: Silvestr
            possibly- Kharkiv, Sumy

            This is later ... first about what "already exists", if possible.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 December 2020 12: 26
              -1
              Quote: SaltY
              first about what "already is", if possible.

              Two days ago, VO discussed
              1. Salty
                Salty 6 December 2020 12: 30
                -1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Two days ago at VO I discussed

                Excuse me, people we are local ... well, I was not here two days ago, and now what - to die in ignorance?

                Tin, damn it. To a direct question - some kind of spam ...
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 6 December 2020 15: 05
              +32
              Quote: SaltY
              Could it be a little more detailed: what kind of bases are there?

              After Euromaidan and the change of power in February 2014, Ukraine resumed its course towards NATO membership. In December 2014, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a bill introduced by President Petro Poroshenko, which abolished Ukraine's non-aligned status, and in June 2017 amended the legislation: NATO membership was declared one of Ukraine's foreign policy priorities. In 2019, constitutional amendments came into force, securing the strategic course towards obtaining full membership of Ukraine in the European Union and NATO at the level of the constitutional norm.
              The United States built a base in Nikolaev and began building similar bases in Mariupol and Berdyansk.
              A permanent base of the British fleet appeared in Odessa, the marines are based in the Odessa region. The British plan to leave their military in Nikolaev. Formally, this cannot be called bases, since the ban on the deployment of military bases remained in Article 85 of the Constitution. But everything flows and everything changes
              1. Salty
                Salty 6 December 2020 18: 53
                -3
                baby, you are a lot ... are you sylvester's stunt double? Well, say so))
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 December 2020 09: 21
    +5
    Without information, it is difficult to judge such things ...
    ... much more positive than the Afghan experience of the participation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Syrian events.

    And why is he more positive?
    Only that the loss of personnel is an order of magnitude less.
    And among the goals achieved, only the preservation of the ruling regime in power. The country is divided into spheres of influence, Assad does not control the processes in the state, terrorist organizations have suffered heavy losses, but they have not been destroyed and at any time may revive again (there are no problems with recruiting in a poor country).
  6. Vladimir Vladimirovich S
    Vladimir Vladimirovich S 6 December 2020 09: 31
    -5
    Interestingly, was the Author himself "beyond the River"? Or is it now All - Analytic Stories ??? ... recourse
  7. U-58
    U-58 6 December 2020 10: 00
    +5
    The good intentions of bringing socialism to Afghanistan have failed.
    Actually, the commandments of classical Marxism about the necessity of maturing internal conditions in Afghan society were violated. There were none.
    Subsequently, the fate of the already former Soviet republics clearly illustrated this.
    Even here for 70 years nothing really sprouted.
    Again, the Afghan mentality is characterized by a rather high "small-town" independence to the central government on the one hand and unwillingness to work (in our understanding) on ​​the other.
    Therefore, there were no preconditions for the development of production relations, and there are not and will not be for a very long time.
    There are no contradictions between labor and capital.
    There is no desire to build a secular state.
    There, the priority is a full stomach in the family, a freebie for selling drugs, which will grow by itself.
    An attempt with a bayonet and a rifle butt to "drive the mind into the heads" always led to guerrilla warfare. Actually, the war began as a response to the blocked drug traffic, but not as active resistance to the red ideas.
    Given the historical militancy of the Afghans, the war was inevitable with inevitable defeat.
    I knew a man (a Russian from Tashkent) who was "called to the camp", and who sat on the hill for the first 4 months when entering.
    They returned them home without firing a single shot. Yes, and did not hear the shooting.
    I also knew a man who had fought there in the Special Forces of the GRU for 1,5 years, who went to Pakistan, who had lost many comrades. But that's another topic..
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 6 December 2020 11: 15
      +5
      ... Subsequently, the fate of the former Soviet republics has clearly illustrated this.
      Even here for 70 years nothing really sprouted ...

      Golden words hi
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 December 2020 10: 04
    +6
    The Americans were burned by their illiterate policy in Iran. We are in Afghanistan. Making socialism in a country where even the feudal system was in its early stages was recklessness. We had good neighborly relations with King Daoud. He was overthrown by our students. And then off we go.
  9. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 6 December 2020 10: 10
    +6
    "As soon as we leave Kabul, the Americans will be there."

    Personal opinion: “There was nothing to do there! It was necessary not to climb at all! "
    The Americans are there now, so what? This case was not worth 15 dead, almost 000 wounded, post-trauma, psychological trauma, etc.

    Another thing is that one cannot approach the events of those days with today's standards. Today we are all smarter. We know and understand much more than we knew and understood then.
    In 2018, at a meeting between Russian President V.V. Putin and the Council of Legislators of the Russian Federation, the head of the State Duma Defense Committee, ex-commander of the Russian Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, conveyed to the head of state a request "from veteran organizations" to revise the resolution of the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR of 24 December 1989 on "moral and political condemnation" of the decision of the Soviet leadership to send troops to Afghanistan in 1979. In November 2018, the State Duma approved a draft resolution. "It must be stated unequivocally that the State Duma considers it necessary to recognize that the moral and political condemnation of the decision to send Soviet troops to Afghanistan in December 1979, expressed in the resolution of the Congress of People's Deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in 1989, does not correspond to the principles of historical justice."

    This is the right approach and the just decision of the State Duma. good
  10. Petrik66
    Petrik66 6 December 2020 11: 05
    +1
    Which Marines jumping on a helicopter in Saigon? The Americans withdrew their troops without any difficulty. By 1973, only 24 Americans remained. All the land units were withdrawn and, in order to make the North Vietnamese comrades more reai, and you say philistine in your requests, they smashed Hanoi and Haiphong, and no moment 000 or 21 helped. If you are comparing the "organized withdrawal" of us in 75, then it is more reasonable to recall the fire evacuation of our diplomatic personnel from Kabul when the babaev approached him in 1989 https://tvzvezda.ru/news/qhistory/content/1992-f20201161221cLv.html? utm_source = tvzvezda & utm_medium = longpage & utm_campaign = longpage & utm_term = v5 Don't juggle, it doesn't paint anyone.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 6 December 2020 15: 37
      0
      Well, after comparing our exit from the banner with the marines jumping into the helicopter, the author's level became clear immediately. The rest could not be read.
  11. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 6 December 2020 11: 17
    -2
    Amin worked for the CIA.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 6 December 2020 15: 44
      0
      You need to eat. Amin unconditionally trusted the USSR. Before his death "Amin ordered his adjutant to call and warn the Soviet military advisers about the attack on the palace. At the same time he said:" The Soviets will help. " into the adjutant, shouting irritably: “You're lying, it can't be!” (Yu.I. Drozdov. How they stormed Amin's palace. Special forces of the GRU in Afghanistan.) It seems that the CIA planted this misinformation, and ours swallowed it.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 6 December 2020 16: 45
        0
        Amin lived and studied in the United States, it was he who organized the April Revolution and it was he who insisted on the introduction of Soviet troops. All of this is no coincidence and is very similar to a CIA combination. The KGB probably suspected Amin of links with the CIA, which is why he was soaked. But in order not to get into the mind at all was not enough ...
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 6 December 2020 18: 33
          +1
          Yeah, that's why he organized the April Revolution and insisted on bringing in the Soviet troops that killed him, that he was a CIA agent? Isn't that funny yourself? Then all over the world young Marxists staged pro-Soviet revolutions. This is how practically all Marxist revolutionaries in the third world countries studied in the West. And this our leadership for some reason did not bother. Some of them later became disillusioned with socialism and the USSR, not without that, but somehow they did without occupation and murders. It is clear that the KGB suspected him of double work, but this is most likely insanity or misinformation, slipped by the parchamists. They have a bloody division of power there, and we stupidly climbed on the side of one against the other. But even if Amin began to look "to the left" even at his grandfather - is that a legitimate reason to kill the president of a friendly country with his special forces, which was supposed to protect him? Didn't you know how to work more accurately? How was the USSR then better than the United States if it was engaged in international terrorism? Have seen enough fucking cowboy action movies. Well, if some country with the best intentions would have killed the president of the Russian Federation (for example, like EBN) and occupied later (remember - with the best intentions!), Would you be happy?
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod 6 December 2020 23: 24
            0
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            Yeah, that's why he organized the April Revolution and insisted on bringing in the Soviet troops that killed him, that he was a CIA agent? Isn't that funny yourself?

            No, not funny. Most likely an American combination in revenge for Vietnam.

            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            Then all over the world young Marxists staged pro-Soviet revolutions. This is how practically all Marxist revolutionaries in the third world countries studied in the West. And this our leadership for some reason did not bother. Some of them later became disillusioned with socialism and the USSR, not without that, but somehow they managed without occupation and murders.

            Socialist revolutions can be counted on one hand - Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Nicaragua ... And none of the leaders of the satellite countries studied in the United States.

            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            It is clear that the KGB suspected him of double work, but this is most likely insanity or misinformation, slipped by the brochamists. They have a bloody division of power there, and we stupidly climbed on the side of one against the other.

            In general, you need to work with archives. There are answers to all questions.

            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            But even if Amin began to look "to the left" even at his grandfather - is that a legitimate reason to kill the president of a friendly country with his special forces, which was supposed to protect him? Didn't know how to work more accurately? Why then was the USSR better than the United States if it was engaged in international terrorism? Have seen enough fucking cowboy action movies. Well, if some country with the best intentions would kill the President of the Russian Federation (for example, such as EBN) and then occupy (remember - from the best intentions!), Would you be happy?

            Firstly, I have never justified or supported the introduction of troops into Afghanistan. With all this, it should be noted that the USSR during the Cold War, as a rule, behaved more civilized than the United States.
  12. Avior
    Avior 6 December 2020 11: 32
    +4
    ... As subsequent events showed, those who said: "As soon as we leave Kabul, the Americans will be there."

    And that's not what they said.
    They said that they were forced to enter troops there, ahead of the Americans by several hours, although it is known that at that time the Americans were not even close to entering troops.
    As for the deteriorating attitude of Afghans to the Soviet military, the commander of the 40th Army, later Marshal, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Rodionov explained this situation later
    The army began to lose credibility and support from the Afghan people, because in the pursuit of victory as quickly as possible and at any cost, decisions were repeatedly made to use long-range aviation, GRAD area destruction systems, wiping villages with all residents, including the elderly and children, off the face of the earth. This is how the most respected Soviet man in Afghanistan ... turned into a murderer and an enemy.

    An unpleasant explanation, but you can't throw words out of a song
    This is not to say that something unique was happening - it was rather the usual reaction of the army to the partisan war, it is rather a pattern.
    But this had to be thought about when the troops entered: ((((
  13. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 6 December 2020 11: 57
    +4
    I will express a controversial opinion.
    According to the stories of our border guards, until 1978 they actively traded with Afghans - Vidiki, Shmidiki, etc. There were popular, naturally illegal, mutual shopping tours to the adjacent territory. Nobody cut anyone. Where there is mutually beneficial trade, there is friendship and peace.

    The main mistake of the USSR is to build socialism in a savage dense country. The only real ideology there is Islam, with these it was necessary to negotiate first of all and to bet on them. Connect the brains, And no communism, especially in a country where they defecate right on the street, even in the capital ...

    Consider that the open presence of non-religious foreigners has always irritated hospitable Afghans. At first, the British annoyed for 100 years, in the end they all overreached, then the shuravi, now the beloved Americans stood across the tomatoes ...

    1. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 6 December 2020 22: 19
      -1
      Are they defecating in the photo?
      It's disgusting... recourse
  14. Salty
    Salty 6 December 2020 12: 34
    -5
    One (and only one) question to the article: how old is the person under the nickname "Alexander Kharaluzhny"?

    Not even once, by the way.
  15. iouris
    iouris 6 December 2020 12: 45
    0
    The main problem of this war - they gave a reason to organize an "Islamic war", to radicalize the Islamists. The war went along the "Russians - Islamists" line, and after 1991 it went along the "Orthodoxy - Islam" line within the Russian Federation.
    History has no subjunctive mood. It was possible to avoid it, but it seems that the top leadership of the KGB of the USSR really needed to dissolve the USSR. Who specifically participated in this should be identified by some state investigative body and recorded in a document that has legal force. But this is unlikely to ever happen. Our story will remain unpredictable.
  16. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 6 December 2020 13: 44
    -2
    There was a chance, naturally. It was necessary to summon the leadership of the CPA to Moscow and slap them there without understanding where who is. Revolutionaries, eperny theater! If these wonderful people had not seized power across the mind, there would have been no ambushes. The party enjoyed tremendous influence. The country's top authorities were very, very supportive of the closest alliance with the USSR, and were not averse to introducing socialism as much as local features allowed. The smallest gain would have been the enormous resources that could be mined in Afghanistan and obtained at prices below low prices. But no. Unbearably itching ...
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 6 December 2020 15: 56
      0
      Nothing would have changed because the CPA leadership would have been slapped. They would be replaced by exactly the same "revolutionaries" - crooks, adventurers, dogmatists, careerists, tribalists and corrupt officials. Others had nowhere to go. As for the fact that "the party enjoyed tremendous influence," it is somehow doubtful, where did this influence go then? Therefore, it was necessary to send troops, that it became clear that their party in power would not stay in power for long. We thought it would pass, as in Czechoslovakia, but they forgot that Afghans are not Czechs.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 7 December 2020 08: 49
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        The influence was on the power that was thrown off. As for the garbage listed by you, do you know what a pashto is? There was plenty to choose from for normal people. Yes, even these nightmares that shoved the government, they acted mainly from idealism. Unfortunately, not supported by healthy calculation and skills. Alas.
  17. itis
    itis 7 December 2020 00: 34
    +1
    an alternative is a Wishlist. everyone has.
  18. pereselenec
    pereselenec 7 December 2020 00: 42
    0
    Afghanistan: did the USSR have a chance to avoid a full-scale war

    Was - you just take and do not crawl to Afghanistan.
  19. svoit
    svoit 7 December 2020 17: 18
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    Quote: Avior
    later explained this situation by the commander of the 40th Army, later Marshal, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Igor Rodionov

    That is, he had nothing to do with it? Unfortunately, then it was not the political, not the military leadership who lacked the wisdom not to get involved in intra-Afghan strife, they brought in troops, well, well, but it was not at all necessary to use them directly, it was necessary to support the Afghan army and militia