The Chang'e-5 device sent the first image of the Chinese flag against the background of the lunar landscape

Chinese automatic lunar station "Chang'e-5" for the first time in stories transmitted to Earth a dynamic snapshot of the national flag of the People's Republic of China against the background of the lunar landscape. The Center for Moon Exploration and Space Programs of the China National Space Administration (CNSA) announced this.

The photo shows a flag clamped in an automated tentacle. The flagpole is reportedly made from a special material and weighs only 12 grams.

The day before, the Chinese National Space Administration reported that the Chang'e-5 spacecraft had finished collecting lunar soil and packed it, after which the return module with samples successfully launched from the surface of a natural satellite, entered a circumlunar orbit, where it would soon dock with the orbital module to be sent to Earth.

The device with 2 kilograms of lunar soil should arrive on Earth on December 15-16 and land in the north of China in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region. The delivered soil is very much awaited by Chinese specialists, including the developers of the project for the construction of a Chinese research lunar base.

China may become the third state after the United States and the Soviet Union (Russia) to deliver lunar soil samples to Earth.

Comments

[Andre___86]

And the Russian is not there. And not the fact that the third will be. Maybe after the Indians ...

[Dkuznecov]

China flatters its pride.
We already have fun.
And the soil was brought long ago.
Better to build roads, good quality,
than to measure up with the Chinese.

[Vadim237]

This will require tens of trillions of rubles, since almost 900000 kilometers of roads with all the accompanying infrastructure need to be overhauled, and in addition to building new ones, the problem of roads in Russia will be resolved in this century for sure, no one who says or promises anything. Space will be many times cheaper and in the short term it can bring a lot of money, in particular, the extraction of rare earth metals on the Moon asteroids and meteorites - who's the first and the pie.

[Terenin]

Quote: Vadim237

it is necessary to overhaul almost 900000 kilometers of roads with all the associated infrastructure and, in addition to building new ones

Quote: Vadim237

mining of rare earth metals on the moon asteroids and meteorites - who's the first and the cake.

And there are pies and roads to build ... All this Russia can do. There would be political will and organization of activities.

[Dkuznecov]

That is, it is beyond our powers.
The main thing is not to contradict yourself.

[Clear]

Quote: DKuznecov

That is, it is beyond our powers.
The main thing is not to contradict yourself.

Something reminded

[Vadim237]

"Russia can do all this. There would be political will." Will by will - everything depends on money, neither today, tomorrow nor after tomorrow, Russia will not have that kind of money for roads, for example, to build 70000 kilometers of the autobahn from zero, 70 trillion rubles are needed.

[SaLaR]

Yeah ... Russia has no money ... and Russians ... for SOME exception .... And this exceptions would be enough for the road ... and the moon ...

[Note]

Yes, money is needed. Only in Germany in the 1930s there were very few of them, and nevertheless the autobahns were built. Yes, of course, it is clear that you should not give such an example, because then the Nazis came to power with Hitler. But there are periods in our history when large construction projects were implemented in the worst economic conditions and, as a result, these conditions were improved.

[standan]

Compare Germany with Russia on the map

[Note]

Indeed, the largest country in the world. In which everything is there. And funds and resources. And the problems are the same as before. Fools and roads. The questions have not changed either. Who is to blame and what to do? Fools are to blame. And the roads have to be done. So do not compare, but the result is not in our favor.

[standan]

So they are built, but not as fast as we would like.

[Note]

So slowly that when the next section is ready, the previous one has already turned into a primer.

[purple]

roads are built and normal, quite a lot ... I don't see any problems with roads

[SSR]

Quote: purple

roads are built and normal, quite a lot ... I don't see any problems with roads

+ recently traveled to North. The Caucasus, roads are made everywhere and highways are widened.
According to the article.
Why the USSR after the USA?

Finally, the native Earth - a ball with precious lunar soil landed safely 80 kilometers south-east of the city of Dzhezkazgan, Kazakh SSR. Thus, on September 24, 1970, the remarkable flight of the Soviet automatic station Luna-16 ended.

And the United States has lost all its "kilograms" of soil.

[Rusticolus]

You're right, China will be the second after Russia to have lunar soil.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

And he was not. The Chinese again confirmed the true color of the lunar soil, which the Apollo directors did not know about at that time and decided by voting that the surface of the Moon was gray, like cement, and there was no one to argue with them then.

[Grits]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

The Chinese again confirmed the true color of the lunar soil, which the Apollo directors did not know about at that time and, by voting, decided that the surface of the Moon was gray, like cement, and there was no one to argue with them.

I also noticed the color

[Prapor-527]

Damn, and I have color anamaly, I see only red and yellow and ...

[Grits]

Quote from S.S.R.

And the United States has lost all its "kilograms" of soil.

Provided that if they "found" him

[Korax71]

Again conspiracy nonsense from the rereading of comrade Mukhin and Co. - the first lunar soil was delivered by Apollo 11 in 1969. Kilograms of soil are still where they were - the Lyndon Johnson space center in Houston. And if you have not been banned from Google, then you can search for information, it turns out that samples of the lunar soil for study can be borrowed.

[Dkuznecov]

6 km versus 200 Chinese per year.
They don't build.

[Note]

Where do you live?

[Wolf]

Vadim you are right for the roads, but if the population starts to increase then everything can be different with regard to roads.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Vadim237

in particular, the extraction of rare earth metals on the moon asteroids and meteorites - who's the first and the cake.

In order to make the whole cake "in one mug" - you need to spread it in a thin layer over the entire surface.
At least legally. Well, or at least cover the deposits. Having previously reconnoitered them. So the first will never have the whole pie.

[Vadim237]

For this, satellites with magnetometers will be created - in space with rare earths it is much easier than on Earth there is no soil erosion and materials in pure form and in huge quantities. Whoever makes the first transport system is the one who will develop this direction, and you think Musk is his Starship just to send people to other planets, he is well aware that his companies, manufacturers of high-tech products, will need rare earth metals, especially since the United States has already indicated its position on mining in space.

[Volga073]

How many kilometers have you personally repaired?

[astepanov]

Quote: Vadim237

Space will be many times cheaper and in the short term it can bring a lot of money, in particular, the extraction of rare earth metals on the Moon asteroids and meteorites - who is the first and the pie.

Don't talk nonsense. Launching 1 kg of cargo into space costs tens of thousands of dollars, and delivery from the Moon is tens of times more expensive. There is no rare earth metal that will pay off from the moon. And by the way, the Moon is very poor in rare earths. Much poorer than the Earth.

[Vadim237]

"Launching 1 kg of cargo into space costs tens of thousands of dollars" - Already around 2000, when using reusable stages and ships, your consumption in fact maintenance and fuel starting from the lunar surface requires six times less fuel, so there is nothing expensive there and the moon was bombarded by billions years, meteorites and asteroids, including iron, and all this is on the surface, so these materials there are tens of thousands of times more than on Earth, in which most of this material has descended to the core during the same period of time. And this is not nonsense, these are facts.

[astepanov]

Quote: Vadim237

Already around 2000, when using reusable stages and ships, your consumption in fact maintenance and fuel starting from the lunar surface requires six times less fuel, so there is nothing expensive there

2000 bucks a kilo - it will someday be. Moreover, this is the price of delivery to low-earth orbit. Already after the launch to the GSO, the price increases 5 times (and the carrying capacity decreases). Further, you need to reach the moon, slow down when entering its orbit, land on the moon, take off, accelerate to the 2nd lunar space, etc. The Chinese rocket has a launch weight of 242 tons - and will deliver 2 kg of soil. So count, the exhaust is 1 in 100000. And again, for the gifted: there are few rare earth metals on the moon, and they are not very expensive.

[Vadim237]

In the Chinese, the rocket is, firstly, not reusable, and secondly, the mass of the apparatus consisting of an orbital module and a descent module was 8200 kilograms in this million - half of this mass is scientific equipment and 2 kilograms is not the maximum load, just the indicated mass for a sample in this form, of course, 1 kilogram will be cost $ 10000 and more, but in a reusable system like the Starship cargo version, all this will cost an order of magnitude cheaper and there are rare earth metals on the Moon and I will repeat many times for the stoned Moon for billions of years, asteroids and meteorites, including iron ones, were bombarded there and all this is stored there pure form on the surface. After 10 years, the same Musk will begin to develop the lunar resources, earning not only hundreds of billions from them, but also on the lunar soil, which will carry from there to Earth and sell for 1000 bucks per kilo as a souvenir around the world.

[SSR]

Quote: astepanov

So count, the exhaust is 1 in 100000. And again, for the gifted: there are few rare earth metals on the moon, and they are not very expensive.

I don’t know, from open sources.

Kazakhstan is the first and only state to sell pure Osmium-187 on the world market.

The cost of Osmium-187 is estimated at 200 thousand dollars for 1 gram.

[astepanov]

Quote from S.S.R.

Kazakhstan is the first and only state to sell pure Osmium-187 on the world market. The cost of Osmium-187 is estimated at 200 thousand dollars per gram.

Not tired? Answer a couple of questions: 1) what does osmium have to do with rare earth metals? Hint: none.
2) What is the need for osmium-187? Hint: close to zero.

[Grits]

Quote: Vadim237

Space will be many times cheaper and in the short term it can bring a lot of money, in particular, the extraction of rare earth metals on the Moon asteroids and meteorites

Heh, let’s start to extract rare earth metals, "lying on the surface". For example, rhenium in the Kuril Islands. It will be much cheaper than even just designing a ship for these purposes and dreaming of mining on asteroids.

[Vadim237]

There is a project for the extraction of rhenium in the Kuril Islands - and so the entire project of the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the development of the extraction of rare earth metals in Russia will amount to about 300 billion rubles.

[Grits]

Quote: Vadim237

There is a rhenium mining project in the Kuril Islands

So compare the cost of the project for building a lunar ship for mining on the Moon and the project for a terrestrial installation for mining rhenium in the Kuril Islands. And so is the amount of directly mined rhenium per year. And then all the absurdity of fantasies will be visible to the naked eye.

[astepanov]

first understand, gentlemen, that rhenium is not a rare earth metal. I strongly suspect that when the rest of the participants in the discussion talk about lunar rare earth elements (REE), they mean no one knows what - if only because the moon is quite poor in these elements. Finally, the cost of REEs is largely determined not by the concentration in the deposit, but by the enormous difficulty in separating extremely similar REEs. The price of a cerium-based REE alloy is only about 600 rubles / kg, and the price of each of the components of this glory can be hundreds (or even thousands) times higher. Who is going to set up a processing and separation plant on the moon? And even if the moon consisted of an alloy of rare earth elements without admixtures of other metals, the price of the finished product would still be very high - even without taking into account the cost of transportation. So end this empty argument and figure out what REEs are and why they are expensive.

[Cosm22]

Who is "we", may I ask? Do you mean the state of the USSR?
So even his efforts were only enough to bring only 3 grams of lunar soil in 324 missions, which is more than 6 times less than the amount of soil collected by a Chinese device at a time, and in two ways - by drilling and surface collection with a manipulator.
It is better not to remember about 382 kilograms of lunar soil delivered by Apollo.

[Reserve buildbat]

I have two questions:
1. In what years did the Soviet spacecraft bring lunar soil? Don't you think that technology has improved "slightly" since then?
2. Can you tell me where the 382 kilograms of the lunar soil "brought by the Apollo" are located, that no one saw them, while 324 grams brought by the Soviet devices were repeatedly investigated in different countries of the world and are still not "lost" like Apollo's 382kg myths

[Cosm22]

1. If technology has "improved a little," then why are we not seeing this improvement in Russian cosmonautics? Or are they improving selectively, only in relation to the United States and China? Then what does the pathetic pronoun "we" have to do with the commentary of the previous commentator? What exactly did "we" improve a little bit?
2. I will not upset you very much if I say that the samples of the American lunar soil were studied not only by foreign scientists, but even by experts from the USSR? Moreover, not only at GEOCHI, but by other scientists?
Check out the work of French scientists A. Dollfuss and E. Bowell, who studied the lunar soil of the Apollo 14 expedition, from which a certain Mukhin pulled out only one sentence and altered it in his own way.
Check out the works of I.D. Shevaleevsky and M.S. Chupakhin. With the works of Yu.Belyaev and T.Koveshnikov, who also worked with American lunar soil.
Neither European nor Soviet scientists ever had questions about the authenticity of the lunar soil. As, in fact, and to the Apollo program itself. For some reason they arose only in Russia and only for some reason half a century after the event.

[Split]

1. Oops ... hand to face. The Chinese were eager to go there, just like 60 years ago, for the sake of prestige. In fact, no one needs the moon. Helium 3? Forget it. When they can get it on the ground in profitable quantities, no one will need it anymore

2. Do not refer to the USSR - by deliveries of wheat for a gift, etc. we were in the same team. It was already known about the radiation belts, which is why we sent automatic stations. I don’t know about gravitational maneuvers, but nobody was on Venus except us! Why? Because it's hard (c) Kennedy, and they don't like it hard.

Quote: Cosm22

Neither European nor Soviet scientists ever had questions about the authenticity of the lunar soil ... For some reason, they arose only in Russia and only for some reason half a century after the event

Ummm ... borrow some grass? In 2006, they arose, but the king is not real! A piece of wood ... lay in the Golan IMNIP Museum, and you are insured for a couple of hundred dollars. Fortunately, at least the letter C has been erased on it. And then here, the now deceased Leonov rubbed that Sennan, or whatever, the first letter of the surname in the spacesuit, with the gloves of the spacesuit, scratched on the stone. But they didn’t provide evidence. Apparently Sennan's pointing finger is not a national value.
ZY, Personally, I do not care whether they were there or not, this is a purely scientific and detective interest. And the further into the forest, the more firewood. And questions about moon landings were not the first for us at all

[Cosm22]

Yes.
Venus is too difficult for the Stars and Stripes.
Therefore, they lead only in the little things.
Just think, the third generation of rovers on Mars is crawling. A trifle.
Pluto's photo taken by New Horizons is a trifle.
Cassini took pictures of Enceladus, a moon of Saturn? A trifle.
Voyager 2 mission to Uranus?
Neptune Flyby?
Delivering solar wind samples to Earth?
Spectral data from exoplanets?
Researching comets and delivering their samples? Delivery of asteroid soil samples? Departure of a spacecraft made by human hands beyond the solar system? Voyager 2 transmitted data on interstellar space 40 years after launch, having flown billions of kilometers?
These are all little things.
Compared to the pennant and our landing on Venus. Mariner-2, however, began researching and processing information about Venus before Venus-1 due to the loss of communication with the latter, but these are also trifles.

[Grits]

By and large, we have bypassed the Americans only in the experience of creating and operating orbiting space stations. And then, now they have made up for us thanks to our own experience. In all other respects, they are either on a par with us, or have gone much ahead. Especially in terms of interplanetary flights, planetary, satellite and asteroid exploration, Americans are simply unattainable. And this fact must be recognized.

[Split]

You at least play CSV to understand how difficult it is to send a satellite to the inner planets!

Quote: Cosm22

Pluto photo taken by New Horizons is a trifle

Yes, a trifle, sent photos and that's it. It's like you took a picture of a beautiful girl on the street and apart from her photos there is nothing else

Quote: Cosm22

Delivering solar wind samples to Earth?

Fortunately, they did not bring sun bunnies ... 75% of people would have blown, those who believe in lunar landings

Quote: Cosm22

Neptune Flyby?

Well, he flew by and what? Good luck brought
Personally, I need to feed the child here and now and I do not care who flew where, who knocked down skyscrapers on 11.09 and whether they sat down on the hole
And as for the topic, the USSR was then in the lead in everything, we were the first to be lucky, and the 5th point of the cranks burned out. Yes, at least let them fly to the Andromeda galaxy ... They remember the creator, and not that for tens of years and then millennia where someone will fly. We were the first to go to space ... and whoever took a picture of the threshing floor of the threshing floor on the flight - I just don't give a damn.
ZY Astronomy Department of the Physics Department of Moscow State University (GAISH)

[Star Troopers]

Fabulous .... Are you one of those who do not believe in astronautics?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Because the United States is constantly lying for its own benefit - forgot Powell's tube? And not half a century - almost immediately. One US flag waving in the lunar wind is worth something ... The Chinese did not allow such a puncture. :)

[Vladimir247]

You really are from the moon. Already now on the network people are laughing, what bullshit Kubrick filmed in Hollywood, you can compare it already specifically ...
And even before ... only the lazy did not write that the Americans were not on the moon. This is Doctor of Science Popov, and engineer Mukhin, and only NASA shyly keeps silent.
The Chinese are great. Now we will see everything for ourselves.

[voyaka uh]

". Can you tell me where 382 kilograms of lunar soil are located." ///
----
Heaps of this soil are exhibited in two space museums in the United States.
Admire your health.

[Split]

A noble piece of wood, a fireplace is worth a fortune to melt, but what has Musk still not bought or shown? Oh, my conscience probably doesn't allow

[Reserve buildbat]

The centimeter scale looks good when the states used the inch scale.
They seem to have begun, little by little, with a creak, to introduce the metric system 10-15 years ago.

[voyaka uh]

NASA has been working in metric for a very long time.
They have many joint projects with Europeans, and different
systems led to engineering errors

[Reserve buildbat]

Even so? Did not know. Thank you, I will.

[voyaka uh]

Due to the confusion of centimeters and inches, they crashed at
landing on Mars, two NASA spacecraft of the Mars Surveyor program

[Reserve buildbat]

But the design bureau of A.N. Tupolev easily converted inches to centimeters and created a Tu-29 from the B-4.

[Star Troopers]

Come on!!!!

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

NASA has been working in metric for a very long time.
They have many joint projects with Europeans, and different
systems led to engineering errors

Well done, even though here they realized that you need to be like all normal earthly people.

[Split]

It's good that they don't measure in pussies ... otherwise, not only would the survivols crash

[figwam]

Quote: voyaka uh

Admire your health.

Lunar soil for the United States was delivered by American lunar rovers, it was these grams that were transferred to the scientific world for study, the United States never had any kilograms and large stones of soil, this is an American lie.

[voyaka uh]

The Americans did not have moon rovers.
Two lunar rovers were Soviet. NASA American probe
photographed both of them, and their footprints on the moon.
The same camera and from the same height as the tracks of the American rovers that
rode on the moon later than the Russians.
Here is a photo and traces of the Soviet Lunokhod-2,
filmed by the American LRO probe in 2010:

[figwam]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Americans didn't have moon rovers

Dozens of automatic American vehicles were on the moon, not a single large fragment was handed over to the scientific world as evidence for study, because people on the moon have never had such technologies and today.

[voyaka uh]

"Dozens of automatic American vehicles were on the moon" ///
---
You flatter NASA. The Soviet Union was very strong in automation.
And the Americans had to do a lot in space by hand,
literally. Docking, work on the moon. Astronauts
ran like crazy: only 2 hours and back into orbit.
They left heaps of trash, pieces of foil, cables from devices

[figwam]

Quote: voyaka uh

Leaving heaps of rubbish

Rubbish is those American pictures that you pass off as the surface of the moon.

[voyaka uh]

And here are the locations of all six Apollo landings, captured by the same probe,
That was kindly photographed by both Soviet lunar rovers and all Luna stations.

[Infinity]

And here is a photograph of the Apollo 16 tracks from the Chinese Chang'e 2. The quality is much inferior to LRO, but the characteristic diffusion trace is noticeable

[Split]

Are you aware that these tracks do not match the video track? Especially rovers

[Split]

Well, it's clear, a couple of lunar landing adepts minus ... a question. Have you even watched these videos yourself as who moved and checked against the LRO data?
What can I say ... Believe me further, as a form of admission for me is an order of magnitude higher than yours, you have a form of admission only for the toilet

[Maikcg]

The American "lunar soil" has been removed to special storage and sealed for future generations of mankind, when they invent more accurate instruments for research.
Because future generations, inventing more advanced devices, will not be able to bring a new portion of the lunar soil. So it goes.

[Vladimir247]

Warrior wow
----------
Does the picture show mammoth shit instead of soil?

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

Heaps of this soil are exhibited in two space museums in the United States.
Admire your health.

Also collected on the island of Devon?

[Avior]

Lunar soil is stored here in a special storage facility at the Lunar Samples Laboratory at the Johnson Center.

It is not shown to ordinary curious people, but they are not particularly hidden.
On the left in the bottom photo, Russian cosmonaut Oleg Skripochka.
Other soil samples from space are also stored there.

[Salty]

Quote: Avior

Lunar soil is stored here, in a special storage

Ugums ... only now they don't give it to anyone, and don't even show it ...

So there is exactly the "soil" stored? Or maybe just bricks?

[Avior]

do not give anyone in hand, and do not even show ...

ay ...

https://www.energia.ru/rus/about/astronaut/im/skripochka_47.jpg
every ordinary curious they come across is not shown, it's true.
very specific storage conditions must be ensured.
and so they show it, and they give it to their hands - these are inflated white gloves sticking out, stones in an atmosphere of nitrogen under pressure to avoid pollution ...
stones documented when taken

for each stone - document

[Salty]

Ya)

Quote: About the violin

He studied at various schools in Zaporozhye and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
In 1987 he graduated from high school №28 with a physical and mathematical bias in Zaporozhye.
While studying at school, he was engaged in the Zaporozhye experimental detachment of young cosmonauts named after I. V.M. Komarova

Where are you from, avior - we know ... are there any more questions, for the violins?

Quote: Avior

stones in a nitrogen atmosphere under pressure to avoid pollution ...

Ordinary pumice ... and I will draw any pictures, pay in advance, if ...

[Avior]

ek everything is running. I studied in the USSR, he too, take it on suspicion.
Do you distinguish pumice from bricks?

So there is exactly the "soil" stored? Or maybe just bricks?

Common pumice ...

[Salty]

Quote: Avior

I studied in the USSR, he too, take on suspicion

I also studied there. Materials science, yeah. 79-85.

Quote: Avior

do you distinguish pumice from bricks?

Easily. In the photo - pumice. More questions?

[Avior]

which you called a brick.
yes, what questions, everything is clear ...

[Salty]

Quote: Avior

everything is clear ...

Me too, thanks )

[Vilensky]

I admire the traces of wind erosion on the American "lunar" rock from the lunar wind, which still fluttered the American flag.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: stock buildbat

I have two questions:
1. In what years did the Soviet spacecraft bring lunar soil? Don't you think that technology has improved "slightly" since then?
2. Can you tell me where the 382 kilograms of the lunar soil "brought by the Apollo" are located, that no one saw them, while 324 grams brought by the Soviet devices were repeatedly investigated in different countries of the world and are still not "lost" like Apollo's 382kg myths

Here the third question arises. How will mattresses and their local admirers justify the fact that the Flag of China, in the photo, does not move, as it should be in an airless space, and the mattress flag in the famous photo of their "landing" is teleported in the wind?

[voyaka uh]

The Chinese took into account the American experience, and in order to avoid stupid conspiracy, they fixed their flag not on two sides, like the Americans, but on all four.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Chinese took into account the American experience, and in order to avoid stupid conspiracy, they fixed their flag not on two sides, like the Americans, but on all four.

Of course, you can try to justify this with design features, but what to do with the fact that in the absence of an atmosphere, there can be no wind in principle. And since he is not there, then what is the American flag telepathing there?

[voyaka uh]

Take a look at the video of the RUSSIAN flag being flown OUTSIDE the International Space Station. In a vacuum. And flutters - wow! Wind?
No. These are vibrations, vibrations, a pendulum effect. In the atmosphere, oscillations decay quickly, in a vacuum - for a very long time.

[Star Troopers]

Why explain ordinary physical phenomena to a fanatic?

[iouris]

The space station flies in the Earth's atmosphere, so the Russian flag flies proudly. The wind flutters him.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Chinese took into account the American experience, and in order to avoid stupid conspiracies they fixed their flag not on two sides, like the Americans, but on all four

I think it would be easier to create it in one continuous thin plate.

[ccsr]

Quote: Cosm22

So even his efforts were only enough to bring only 3 grams of lunar soil in 324 missions, which is more than 6 times less than the amount of soil collected by a Chinese device at a time, and in two ways - by drilling and surface collection with a manipulator.

Do not bother you that it was almost fifty years ago, and during this time the technological market was perfect in all areas, including space.

Quote: Cosm22

It is better not to remember about 382 kilograms of lunar soil delivered by Apollo.

After he disappeared, it's really better not to remember about it ...

[Akuzenka]

Of course, they brought it a long time ago, only not the Russian Federation, but the USSR. We rejoice at the successes of the Chinese cosmonautics. The success of the Russian Federation is not expected, the money has already been cut.

[Split]

Russia is the successor of the USSR and exists on its territory, the same race of Slavs ... in the end, the USSR paid off the debts ... Just don't say that we bought this succession! Or what? all died at once, new people and their descendants appeared and became Russia downward? Tell me more that Germany is not Germany, since the 3rd Reich was demolished for them!
ZY What is the difference between Russia or the USSR? Already tired of their abbreviations. Like we live on the legacy of the USSR, well, renounce your grandmothers and grandfathers and the 7th tribe who raised the country and fought for its sovereignty!

[TAMBU]

the same race of Slavs

this is the finish ...

[Split]

What's wrong? As I see you, you come from Atlanteans

[TAMBU]

you can hardly see something with your level of development ... in principle ..., beyond your nose ... read books, many and different ...

[Akuzenka]

So your beloved RF to the state. money makes films defaming the USSR, deliberately destroying the link between the USSR and the Russian Federation, is that not enough for you? Only bad things are said about the USSR. The mausoleum is draped on the days of the Victory Day celebration. Stalin is a tyrant and single-handedly destroyed the "five somillion". Not enough? Well, turn on the TV, there on the central channels, only the lazy does not talk about this. Listen to Kisilev, with his results. This is the official state channel. Clever enough. That is why the Russian Federation is not the USSR (I will keep silent about the difference in the political system).

[pereselenec]

Quote: DKuznecov

Better to build roads, good quality,

And have we built many roads with the money saved from the absence of the lunar apparatus?

[Split]

Move to Moscow and you will curse this construction. "You don't move here, you move there, otherwise the head will snow - you will be completely dead" (c)

[pereselenec]

Quote: Split

Move to Moscow and you will curse this construction.

Well, come on, we will all move to Moscow, and you will turn the screws for us in Siberia. Okay?

[Dkuznecov]

Don't ask stupid questions - don't get stupid answers.

[astepanov]

Quote: DKuznecov

Better to build roads, good quality,
than to measure up with the Chinese.

Immediately made me remember Krylov's fable "The Fox and the Grapes"

[Borik]

Well, let's congratulate the Chinese on another achievement in space exploration. ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Borik

Well, let's congratulate the Chinese on another achievement in space exploration. ...

And what else remains for us, to be proud of Gagarin, to swear ragozin and congratulate the Chinese.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Stroporez

And what else remains for us, to be proud of Gagarin, to swear ragozin and congratulate the Chinese.

You can also be proud of our Soviet system, which helped China to firmly stand on its feet.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, kakakak something on Rogozin is a sacred cause. :))) Well, this is just ridiculous - from topic to topic the same thing.

[Terenin]

Quote: Borik

Well, let's congratulate the Chinese on another achievement in space exploration. ...

Deserved. Labor.

[Split]

With difficulty, after 50 years, but it feels like we did it for free

[Terenin]

Quote: Split

With difficulty, after 50 years, but it feels like we did it for free

You yourself confirm that our fathers did it. What we are proud of.

[Split]

YES, our fathers, and some personalities write that it is not Russia ... how would you recognize yourself as descendants, and Russia is not a descendant of the USSR! Well, if Russia is not a descendant of the USSR, then renounce your ancestors

[Shelest2000]

Alas, it is. Until then ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Who are you talking about? Don't be shy - speak up. Probably about the people who put both the first satellite and the first cosmonaut into space? Did you guess right? And who are you after that?

[Vladimir247]

Sergey Averchenkov.
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So it was the Soviet people. Or have I forgotten something? And now we have the president in a T-shirt with Rush's inscription posing.
Now, if we regain the title of Soviet, then we can be proud.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Yes, they forgot - the sum does not change from a change in the places of the terms - Soviet, Russian ... what's the difference? What, from these places everyone ran away and others settled? You don't have to tell me about the president - I know that people here like to shit on their own president. What? Normally, we chose it ourselves - we shit ourselves. And the point is not at all that I am a fan of GDP, I am disgusted with the very attitude ... you see, what is the matter, the GDP will go away - another will come, but the habit of crap will remain ... and everything will be as it is now.

[Vladimir247]

And where is the "shit"? Was I putting this T-shirt with "Rasha" on him?
And who chose him? You? Or 146%?
30% of the strength goes to the polls, they chose themselves, they say. Where is the "against all" column? This is not an election, but a profanation. Yeltsin = Putin, and he put it. Or did I forget that too?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Rashay? Everything is clear with you.

[Vladimir247]

With you too. You go to the doctor, it doesn't hurt. And then find on the net a photo of your favorite "president" of All Russia, whose T-shirt says RUSSIA in large print. Not RUSSIA, namely RUSSIA. And all the claims against him, against him ... it is you and him that present our country like this.
How much do you get for trolling?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The President and I are completely different things. I am for complete anarchy. But I hate you - who seem to be for Russia, but at the same time relying on the mistakes of the current president (even if he, I don't care at all). Like any government ... Want advice? Jump up.

[Vladimir247]

I am for complete anarchy ...
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And they wrote that for the Soviet flag. Two posts below. It turns out that ... you are inadequate.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Of course, I was born and raised with him. And it's better to be inadequate than someone like you.

[Vladimir247]

Better to be inadequate ...
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Maybe it's better to try to see a doctor?
Perhaps, a stable remission will come, and you will begin to understand that the Fatherland and His Excellency are completely different things ...

[Shelest2000]

..pu should not be confused with a finger. And what does the Soviet people have to do with it? THE USSR ? Do you generally understand the difference between what was in the USSR and those around us .... oh, now? Well, tell me, what are the current space achievements under the current government, of which it is already almost 30 years, that I can be proud of? And not only space ones? The chatter of Rogozin and his chiefs? Rogozin's salary? Trampolines? Fairy tales of flights to Mars? To the moon? Counterfeit parts from the Shanghai market installed on our missiles (I hope they remember this incident)? Maybe domestic modern electronics? AND ? Just answer - what device are you writing from? China? States? Do you have at least something from high-tech electrics and electronics of domestic production in your house - a computer, a mobile phone, a laptop, kitchen appliances? So I looked around - I even have an extractor hood in my kitchen and that Spanish one, bought five years ago for 3-4 thousand rubles.
You, turbopatriots, are trying to pass off the achievements of the Great Country as your own worthlessness, because everything that we still have is not the current achievements, but the irrevocably consumed legacy of the USSR and you have absolutely nothing to do with this legacy!
I will repeat the question - what can I be proud of now? So, right this moment - to take and be proud of great achievements?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Andre___86

Russian is not there

We had a lot of flags. You forgot

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

We had a lot of flags. You forgot

Yes,so long ago it wasthat we have already forgotten that once upon a time we were ahead of the rest of the planet.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

For me, the flag of the USSR.

[credo]

Quote: Andre___86

And the Russian is not there. And not the fact that the third will be. Maybe after the Indians ...

Andryusha, you are forgiven for not knowing history.
For reference: the Soviet lunar rovers were on the Moon even before you were born, and Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, so changing the flags after each change in the country's political structure is not part of Russia's plans. Business must be dealt with.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: credo

For reference: the Soviet lunar rovers were on the Moon even before you were born, and Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, so changing the flags after each change in the country's political structure is not part of Russia's plans. Business must be dealt with.

Yeah, the legal successor in the civilian world won, and hoisted the flag over the Reichstag, and flew to the moon, well done, however, other people's achievements to appropriate at every opportunity.
And I tell you for your reference that the Russian Federation is a piece of a once Great Country and with such a political system that has nothing to do with these achievements. My grandfathers certainly did not lay down their heads for this power.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Stroporez

other people's achievements

Whose, strangers? These are our achievements. How did the fact of changing the form of government in our land make us strangers to ourselves?
And the children born in the USSR are now strangers to their parents? They were also made not by people, but by the Soviet government?

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

How the fact that the form of government in our land has changed has made us strangers to ourselves?

This is the quote of the day !!! Better than you, I could not answer! respect.

[parathyron]

They say there are no stupid questions, there are stupid answers. It looks like this is the case ...

[Split]

I advise you not to jump with a parachute

[Garris199]

The overwhelming majority of grandfathers fought for their homeland and for their loved ones, and not for power. Particularly stubborn political instructors and commissars could be kicked so badly that they then preferred to quietly merge from the unit.

[Split]

Quote: Stroporez

My grandfathers definitely did not lay down this power

Mine too, so what? No need to hide behind grandfathers

Quote: Stroporez

RF is a piece of a once great country

We were joined by other, I emphasize, ethnic groups - and most of the non-Slavs, Kazakhtan and below, Georgia and nearby, Lithuania, etc. Do you consider yourself a part of a great Family when you divorce? I think not, otherwise they would not get divorced.

Quote: Stroporez

Yeah, the legal successor and in the civilian won, and hoisted the flag over the Reichstag, and flew to the moon, well done, however, other people's achievements to appropriate at every opportunity

Well, yes, since the country in which your ancestors lived is not the USSR, well, you are also a stranger to me personally, even though you have the citizenship of a foreign country for you, why did you stay here?

[Vladimir247]

Upon divorce ...
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Do not remember that no one was going to get divorced. And at the referendum in 91, the people said it clearly. We were divorced by the Yeltsins and others, and the Putin supports this divorce as best they can. And they must, the will of the people to fulfill. If not, it is a crime. So this is how the attitude towards them should be, and not the way the media form us, they say, Putin lifted Russia from its knees. And what position are we in now? With Armata, which we cannot do in 7 years?

[Split]

Quote: Vladimir247

they say Putin lifted Russia from his knees

And you know what I see - I picked it up! He raised the army, the Chechens are now sitting quietly, in Asia we are almost like our own. What's wrong with Armata? This is the T-64 of our time, it was brought to mind for 15 years and the T-72 appeared, the basis of tank forces and the most belligerent tank in the world.

[Vladimir247]

In the pictures, raised. I see it myself. And now I remember the program to create a Soviet submarine fleet. For 10 years, Brezhnev with Gorshkov and Ustinov built about 100, with a huge share of strategists.
This was a real rise.
Give the numbers that we got into the army during Putin's 20 years in power.
1 strategist? And how much for scrap? How much su57? eight? Will it not be enough?
Amers of the ball has a program of -500 pieces f22.
Congress cut Trump to 250. (the saw was not shared )
This is where we are 8 against 250 - will we go to the makhalovka? Is this a rise?
Ready to break ... for the British flag ... for pictures on the net.

[Shelest2000]

My grandfather was partisan in Belarus and those who now proudly call themselves a policeman (or, as the people call themselves, a policeman) built on aspens. Half a meter above the ground.
What does modern government have to do with the achievements of the USSR? The correct answer is none!
But turbopatriots like Sergey Averchenkov cannot understand this.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Shelest2000

My grandfather was partisan in Belarus and those who now proudly call themselves a policeman (or, as the people call themselves, a policeman) built on aspens. Half a meter above the ground.
What does modern government have to do with the achievements of the USSR? The correct answer is none!
But turbopatriots like Sergey Averchenkov cannot understand this.

Comrade, I support and shake hands tightly!

[Split]

What do you have to do with the achievements of the USSR? what your grandfather buried aspen mushrooms? The current government can be no ... then the question is, how do you feel about the achievements of the USSR? What was the comment?

[Shelest2000]

What do you have to do with the achievements of the USSR?

I was born, studied, worked, took the Oath in the USSR, served. Few?

how do you feel about the achievements of the USSR

I'm proud of them!
And tell me, what achievements of the current government on the fragment of the Great Country can you be proud of?
20 million living below the poverty line?
Drug addiction, protected by policemen and other government officials? Collapsed education?
Closed and destroyed tens of thousands of factories, factories, hospitals? The beggarly pension of the elderly?
Debilitation of TV?
Yachts Abramovich, cellos and billions of a friend nullified?
Come on, reveal the secret - what to be proud of here and now ?!
I asked one such a, as I call them "turbopatriota" Sergei Averchenkov, a similar question above - he is silent. Merged. There is nothing to say. And you will merge.

What was the comment?

Forum not wrong, sick?

[Split]

I also took and received bullet fragments. Few?

Quote: Shelest2000

Drug addiction protected by policemen and other government officials

Well, this is your sick imagination ...

[Shelest2000]

Clear. Nothing to say - let's get personal. You are all like that. I have not met any exceptions.

[Mikhalych]

And I tell you for your reference that the Russian Federation is a piece of the once Great Country. ... ...

And the USSR is a piece of the Russian empire. ... ...

[spirit]

Business must be dealt with.

While we have another slogan that said, one well-known politician at the head
one state for 20 years:
Grandma must be done! Grandmother must be done!

[Malyuta]

Quote: Andre___86

Maybe after the Indians ...

Hope dies last?
Even after the Hindus, we won't be there. With the head of the "space sawmill" Ragozin, we will be the first in space from the end.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

You better take a closer look at the photo.
The stars are not visible!
This was almost the greatest argument against the Americans. There are no stars, so they were filming in the pavilion.
It turns out that the Chinese go there too? Didn't you fly anywhere, all postanokva?

[spirit]

Everything that is not done by Roscosmos, staged a priori

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Everything that is not done by Roscosmos, staged a priori

Do you think the Americans were on the moon?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Do you think the Americans were on the moon? ... of course they were. .... this is undeniable .... a lot of people are discussing flags and everything else .... however, how our emergency Luna -15 got on Aldrin's camera .... why the cockpit swung in a couple of months !!!! eh .... Americans were on the moon, another thing is troublesome and expensive pleasure .... and so. Appolo's program ate up almost the entire budget of the striped and the company in Vietnam had to be curtailed ..... that's such a Werner he is. his mother is Von Braun ... like a Nazi. and on the other hand the patsefist

[Garris199]

uncontested

This decision was hard for them. Well, now they will catch up.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

uncontested

This decision was hard for them ... well, it was relatively recent to bang into all the holes in the striped ones, and even then not everywhere like in the hero ... but at that moment it is really undeniable

[Arabfun]

Ukrainian partisan 1974: Any schoolchild will now say which constellation should be in the photo of the Chinese, the best proof of the photo of stars, constellations from the Moon for both the Chinese and the United States. Open the map of the starry sky and project from the Earth and the Moon the same thing, instead of covering up Nazism and propaganda of the Empire of Lies (USA)
On the camera of the cockpit not only the emergency Moon got, he knows how to shoot a movie.

[Mikhalych]

Do you think the Americans were on the moon?

Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich), no matter how he thinks spirit (spirit). It is important that professionals saw so much falsehood in this production that only USE students can believe that the Americans were on the moon.

[Vladimir247]

This is about the "greatest" - who sang to you? Unkillable arguments are the absence of an engine, and even traces from it, the absence of soil and original photos. There is nothing. What are you talking about here?

[Arabfun]

Can't you see the stars? Can you see the clouds or the atmosphere? Go outside at night in the city of stars? Have you ever seen a star outside the city? And this is through the atmosphere. Perhaps another universe opens from the moon? Of course, the photos were taken on the floor and there could not be stars there. And the USA in the photo should have them photographed in the sky, and if the constellations were them, they would have checked which constellation should be in the sky at that moment.

[iouris]

Quote: Andre___86

Maybe after the Indians ...

Challenge: to become the first in the XXII century, after the USA, India and China have achieved everything and disappear.

[vkl.47]

Maybe they are 3 who took the soil from the moon, but their cosmonaut will be the first to be there. there were no other cosmonauts. fact.

[Lord of the Sith]

Just to kick a puddle))

[Thrifty]

It remains only to regret that our country is not represented not in the lunar, not in the Martian programs that are now being carried out by other countries of the world. What we have, we do not keep; having lost, we pay. ... So it happened with our priority in space, now we are among the catching up. ...

[iouris]

Quote: Thrifty

It remains only to regret that our country is not represented not in the lunar not in the Martian programs

And there is a simple explanation for this: what "we" did with "our country" after 1985.
One has to study very well to be represented. Where to study?

[Andre___86]

And how it will pass. Does it really hurt your eyes? If that Russia has not been on the moon at all. There was a union. Russia is not. )))

[iouris]

Quote: Andre___86

Russia has never been on the moon at all.

And the USSR was.
In fact, I read somewhere that the engine designer Glushko was supposedly a student. "I can tell you how to fly to the moon and return. What kind of rocket is needed for this. How much will it cost. I just can't explain one thing to you: what the heck is all this needed." Keep this in mind!

[Vladimir247]

_86
And they will pass how ...
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Duc people work ... and it is unaware to the "gifted" that their "stars on epaulettes" are like a forehead anointed with green ...

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: Andre___86

And the Russian is not there. And not the fact that the third will be. Maybe after the Indians.

And you just want to discredit or the main thing is not important what to write first.
The main thing is to write more caustically.

[Sergey Nemov]

Quote: Andre___86

And Russian is not there

It remains to be glad for China and wish you luck in exploring the Moon. And we wish Rogozin's dismissal.

[iouris]

Quote: Sergey Nemov

And we wish Rogozin's dismissal.

Well, if so, propose a referendum. It will take three years. Moreover, a significant part of the corporation's expenses will be spent on PR. It won't rust behind it. For three years or a donkey ...

[Mikhalych]

And the Russian is not there. And not the fact that the third will be. Maybe after the Indians ...

First, congratulations to the Chinese. True, their flag, unlike the American one, does not flutter in the lunar wind.
Secondly, the USSR-Russia pennant was delivered to the moon on September 14, 1959 by the Luna-2 station. "
https://mikhaelkatz.livejournal.com/44201.html

[donavi49]

The capsule has already flown away if that.

RT @XHscitech: China's # ChangE5 spacecraft, carrying the country's first lunar samples, blasted off from the moon late Thursday. #LunarProbe pic.twitter.com/DIU12wUaWB

- China Observer (@ ChinaObserver2) December 4, 2020

The main risk is docking. If they dock normally, then 98% can be exhaled.

The hole was decently done by the way.

[tralflot1832]

We will doubt whether the Chinese were or were not on the Moon, the engines are not visible on the surface, the landing "foot" is clean and the surface is brown!

[donavi49]

The earth is flat and in general there are no stars in the sky from the moon - that means in the pavilion !!!

If that signal, amateurs actively catch and share frequencies.
As for the color, there is no correction. The filters were assembled for utilitarian reasons, and not to be beautiful. The same flag was put forward in general on the last day before departure. In the first photos he is not. ... That is, samples first, and then the flag.

Now, if or when Musk flies, there will be 8K streaming from 100+ cameras and a couple more 360-degree panoramas. For the broadcast to a couple of tens of millions of viewers online and the most watched stream in history.

[evgen1221]

Yes, maybe, maybe the Chinese will be the first to publicize their science.

[K-612-O]

And what is it, in your opinion, the color of the soil on the Moon is light brown or brown, it was written in BSA

[dgonni]

One hundred pounds in Gobbi filmed the production and voila!

[Avior]

Obviously it was filming in Hong Kong, Jackie Chan's work

[paul3390]

Socialism rules! The PDA is not bullshit for you.

[Kart]

There are only red flags and bullshit on TV left of socialism.
Everything else is real capitalism.

[strelokmira]

real capitalism

Can be seen in the Russian Federation, according to all the canons

[Kart]

What does the RF have to do with it?
An article about China, and a comment - that they flew to the moon because there is socialism.
And there is no socialism, just fiction and slogans.

[strelokmira]

What does the RF have to do with it?
An article about China, and a comment - that they flew to the moon because there is socialism.
And there is no socialism, just fiction and slogans.

Of course, you know better)) And in the Russian Federation, according to your perception, to see socialism

[Kart]

Come on...
WHAT IS THE RF HERE ?????
Is she building capitalism in China?

[strelokmira]

Come on...
WHAT IS THE RF HERE ?????
Is she building capitalism in China?

How does the librastic burn
Well, of course, how can you succeed in a socialist state, you need to tear a sip that there is capitalism. And then the template will break

[Kart]

You are healthy?
Read it, look, there are many Russian-speaking people living and working.
They will tell you about the successes of the socialist state.

[Vladimir247]

And people read, and live, and watch. And we had a NEP. The oligarchs are there in tight-knit gloves, and already in full swing there is a discussion in the party about a complete return to socialist norms. China has already matured, and is going to finish its NEP.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Carte

Is she building capitalism in China?

Who will allow us to build something in China, when we ourselves build something incomprehensible, we build, and the further, the more ugly it turns out.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Carte

An article about China, and a commentary - what flew to the moon because there is socialism.
And there is no socialism, just fiction and slogans.

Where is there?
On the moon, yes, socialism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

To each according to work!
Otherwise, it will turn out that a non-silver scientist rides a bicycle and lives in a one-room apartment, because this is enough for him, and some middle-level manager with a private chauffeur lives in a mansion, because, you see, he deserves it.

[paul3390]

Again another storyteller .. NEP is there, NEP. Under the leadership of the Communist Party. I understand - to read something besides liberal propaganda somehow in the bastard, but still try to strain and read the Chinese documents. Comrade X's reports for example .. He chews everything quite clearly and clearly there ..

[Kart]

No matter what he chewed there.
There is capitalism, the most that neither is. True, under the leadership of the Communist Party.

[paul3390]

Liberal delirium. It's even lazy to comment once again .. If the Chinese leaders are not an argument, the situation is obviously hopeless .. This is no longer curable.

[K-612-O]

China is not socialism or communism, after Deng came, it is state capitalism

[Doccor18]

... the developers of the project to build a Chinese research lunar base.

There is no doubt that they will build. People set clear goals for themselves and move towards them.

[tralflot1832]

Once I have been, I will buy a couple of grams of lunar soil!

[strelokmira]

will you have enough funds?

[strelokmira]

and again the red flag on the moon

[StroiaBat]

What can I say, well done Chinese! And the first lunar rover and a pennant on the lunar surface will remain in the history of mankind for the USSR

[Van 16]

I remember that not so long ago that the president spoke about the USSR and galoshes

[Vladimir247]

Putin only knows how to shit on the USSR.

[Interlocutor]

what can I say, well done Chinese! And the first lunar rover and a pennant on the lunar surface will remain in the history of mankind for the USSR

I'm interested in something else.
Will the Chinese fly over the ground for the second time? Or just once? ...

[StroiaBat]

Quote: Interlocutor

I'm interested in something else.
Will the Chinese fly over the ground for the second time? Or just once? ...

I understood your irony and sarcasm But I think the Chinese are not a PR company, they have concentrated huge resources for space programs and I am sure they will achieve success. They do not brag, but purposefully go towards the goal, skillfully allocating resources according to the plan. This is a bell! If only Russia and China would unite in this regard, we have technologies, but financial resources are not enough ... it would be nice!

[zenion]

All wrong! The flag does not play frivolously, does not swing like a drunk. And the color of the moon is wrong. It should be gray with black ditches, and toads should be jumping along the grooves.

[Vladimir247]

Yes ... toads is five!

[Virus-free crown]

Well, finally, socialism has shown its superiority over capitalism once again !!!
Score 2: 1 in favor of socialism Even in the exploration of the moon ... The same America, when Columbus discovered it, looked just like another colony ... but in the end what happened ?!

[Eldorado]

Where does socialism come from in the PRC?

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: El Dorado

Where does socialism come from in the PRC?

The most eaten socialism in a good sense of the word ... Kosygin wanted to create a prototype in the USSR, but he was not given ... The principle "From each according to his ability - to each according to his work" in action !!!

The leadership of the PRC party "watches" for politics, and the people work and earn money - the unity of "the party and the people literally" You just don't know how business is organized in China ... There, every party functionary is given a plan to attract investment to his region - and try not to fulfill it !!! Every foreign investor is literally blown away from every foreign investor !!! I know firsthand - two friends are running their business in China ... These are my friends here "no one can be called" - and in China they are "respected people" Although the Chinese use our technologies to produce there, and then my friends sell their goods here in Russia)))

[StroiaBat]

Quote: Corona without virus

The most eaten socialism in a good sense of the word ... Kosygin wanted to create a prototype in the USSR, but he was not given ... The principle "From each according to his ability - to each according to his work" in action !!!

Exactly ! As they say GLORY to the PDA! (no sarcasm)

[Vladimir247]

The score is 2: 0. There were no Amers on the moon. They didn't even have an engine to fly there. They still fly on ours. What is there to talk about?

[grandfather_Kostya]

The Chinese staked out a piece of the moon for themselves. Now they will shoot down the Americans if they want to land nearby.

[donavi49]

Which one of?

They have a moon rover running on the other side.

And then there is the understudy Chanye-6. Before the mission, it was said that if there is a failure, then Chanye6 will fly in 21 to a similar low-risk site with similar equipment. If the Chanye5 mission ends with a successful return, then Chanye6 will be transferred to an alternative site in the polar region and the equipment will be changed (more isolated samples and another rig).

They also have Chane7 already in the works.

[grandfather_Kostya]

To all areas where there is Chinese iron. This is how the Americans interpret the new version of the treaty on outer space: where is the old iron-museum zone, where the worker is protecting business interests.

[Mister who]

It turns out interestingly about the moon, and what to do with the radiation in the mined rock)) there was also some news pinned, a piece of methiorite chtol fell in the Leningrad region and a local scientist jumped for joy near him, etc. how many years he mowed himself from the radiation of the object. Or is there no radiation or is it some other?))

[Servisinzhener]

Radiation can be very different. You most likely mean what "in everyday life" means radiation. Those. gamma radiation. And in this regard, the lunar soil is not dangerous.

[Mister who]

Any of the alpha, beta and gamma radiation is present on the moon, moreover, a flight to the moon without the protection of a ship can be a one-way ticket, the soil also accumulates radiation. No need to fill that the soil is safe))

[Mister who]

Do not forget that the main radiation comes from space, which cannot be protected from, solar radiation is somewhere between 3-5% of the total!

[fa2998]

Quote: DKuznecov

We already have fun.

All the same, past achievements are the achievements of another state, the USSR. Since then, the roads have not learned to build (some still Soviet) And China, and the roads, and the moon.

[Gregory Charnota]

The horizon is overwhelmed. Damn white balance. Photoshob

[Aviator_]

Indeed, an achievement. And all that was necessary was to drive tanks through the fools in Tiananmen Square, and soon the soil would be brought from the moon. By the way, the delivery scheme is more complicated than ours, if on the way back it is necessary to dock with the orbital module. Not otherwise, they are working out the flight system there with the astronauts. And if the State Emergency Committee had arrested EBN, then we would have been on Mars over the past time.

[Yaro Polk]

Well done, the Chinese, could have put the Russian flag on a brotherly basis, so much technology was transferred to them in rocketry

[Ge2an]

Hollywood in Chinese ..

[For Courage]

China will be the third after the USSR and the USA and not vice versa!

[16112014nk]

And in the Chinese photos, in contrast to the American ones, the lunar surface is brown, not gray.

[Infinity]

It is still gray.
It's just that the Chinese have not yet mastered the correct RGB balance technology. And Bayer filters are usually not used in this technique.

Here is another photo of the same flag, but the color is more correct:

Well, here are some more photos from "Chang'e-4":

[AML]

How was the last photo taken? :)

[Infinity]

Lunokhod "Yuytu-2" removed That's why I wrote that this is the mission "Chang'e-4"

Quote: Infinity

Well, here's another photo from "Chang'e-4"

[Observer2014]

Moon! Brown !!!!

[bondrostov]

The observer did not say he was surprised. In all the photographs from Apollo, for some reason she is of a completely different color. And in Chinese it is brown! Something is wrong with the Apollo ...

[Infinity]

Nuuu how to say brown, comrades ...
In my opinion, not very much.
It is still gray.
It's just that some of the Chinese do not know how to correctly do RGB balance ... And Bayer filters are usually not used in this technique.
This is all "Chang'e-5":

[Dmitry Leontiev]

No, it's just that the Americans apparently paid the Chinese to make the soil at least a little bit like their pavilion gray soil. At first, the Chinese conveyed the lunar soil as it is - brown. Yes, and in the current picture you can still see that it is brown. And the color balance is now normal on all cameras - no need to drive bullshit. Here's what the first Chinese images of lunar soil looked like in color:

[Vadim237]

It all depends on the light filters and the characteristics of the film - on the Moon, light is not refracted since there is no atmosphere, and this also changes the color of the surface.

[Old26]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You better take a closer look at the photo.
The stars are not visible!
This was almost the greatest argument against the Americans. There are no stars, so they were filming in the pavilion.
It turns out that the Chinese go there too? Didn't you fly anywhere, all postanokva?

Not only are there no stars, but the soil is "not gray". This is the second greatest argument against the United States.

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

On the moon, yes, socialism. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

The slogan of socialism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work." And the one that you wrote is the slogan of communism

Quote: Observer2014

Moon! Brown !!!!

I read your phrase, comrade, and remembered the memories of one of our luminaries of cosmonautics, who spoke about the events preceding the landing of Luna-9 on the Moon. People tolgo argued whether the solid Moon or the station would sink in many meters of moon dust. The Queen got tired of this, he asked what the opponents wanted. The answer was - "a clear decision"
Then Korolyov tore out a piece of paper from his notebook and wrote "The Moon is Solid". Date and sign

[Avior]

A copy of the same note

Then it was not a joke, a mistake is fraught with big problems

[Old26]

Quote: ccsr

Do not bother you that it was almost fifty years ago, and during this time the technological market was perfect in all areas, including space.

Plus, if everything had gone badly, then there would have been more soil brought in by the Soviet stations. Now I can’t say for sure, we need to look at the archive, but 3 or 4 stations designed to bring soil from the lunar surface did not fulfill their task. Either they crashed on the moon, or the drilling rig failed. And in half a hundred years, indeed, everything has changed ...

[Pavel Patrashov]

China is beautiful! we are glad for you!

[Lord of the Sith]

Interestingly, the soil will be shared?

[Avior]

For sure. You need to brag to others

[iouris]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

do you think the Americans were on the moon? ... of course they were. .... this is undeniable ..

Were "indisputable" or "indisputable"?
This can be easily verified if the PRC receives samples of the lunar soil. If, on a proposal to provide soil for research in exchange for soil allegedly brought by astronauts, the United States will declare sanctions and sever scientific ties, then the hypothesis can be considered proven.

[Avior]

States have repeatedly transferred the soil to others. In small quantities, but sufficient for analysis.

[iouris]

Quote: Avior

States have repeatedly transferred the soil to others.

Here! "Others" do not have their soil samples. They take their word for these "zhentelmen". Only the Chinese can dispel doubts. The Russians could arrange an "agreement".

[Avior]

I suspect that when the Chinese have dispelled doubts, we will read that the Chinese have also arranged the treaty.
And then someone else will receive samples, and they will say that they arranged a contract
If a person believes that there were no Americans on the moon, no samples will refute this.

[iouris]

"Our faith is stronger than calculation - we may be taken out!"
The Chinese don't believe. The Chinese will know. If the States know that the Chinese do, too, that's enough for politics.

[Vladimir247]

Repeatedly the soil was transferred to others.
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So there are a lot of questions on that ground! The French immediately determined that the albedo of the American soil is the same as that of the earth. And no one saw what they gave us, some gram. In addition to the fake report on research that Vinogradov blinded, so that he has no bottom, no tires.
And here's the question: according to legend, the Americans lagged 3 centners from the moon!
And some distant grams became pity ... and the rest ... lost! Gee-gee ...

[Avior]

They did not lose anything, everything is in place, the photos from the storage are full.
You don't need much for the analysis, it is clear that the kilograms were not distributed, a unique sample.
Did the French claim that they were given the earth's soil? Hear it for the first time. Is there a link?

[Vladimir247]

For a start, read the books by Popov and Mukhin on the lunar theme. Everything is detailed there. I somehow don't have time, you know, to re-read books, search for them on the net, find chapters on French studies. The question is quite well-known, who is interested, he will find it himself. Widely this fact no one naturally does not advertise, but in the French report it is. That is, the French did not just state what they said, but also published the report.

[Avior]

Sorry, this is just not serious

[Vladimir247]

Quite an expected answer ..

[Dkuznecov]

Quote from S.S.R.

recently traveled to North. Caucasus, roads are made everywhere and highways are widened.

In the cartoon about Alice in Wonderland, with the Black Queen.
"- And what is it we ran to the oak - ran, and he is where he was ??
- Girl, in our world (in the voice of Vasilyeva), in our world,
to reach the oak tree, you need to run TWO times faster! "

[Vilensky]

In the cartoon about Alice in Wonderland, with the Black Queen ...

Lewis Carroll's writing was notoriously widening. A normal writer would not have had such nonsense.

[Dikson]

What can I say? Well done! Who is next, Hindus or Arabs? I read here a skirmish about the need for this mission and that our 324 grams have been here for a long time .. it is not clear why the ardent defenders of Roscosmos do not take into account a simple thing. And where did you get the idea that the soil on the moon is the same everywhere? On the ground, even the sand on the beaches in different countries is different, what can we say about rocks and soils ... Why do you think that our 300 grams is enough to declare that we no longer need soil? Geologists take a look at how many cores they take in their surveys .. And our passionate debaters obviously have no normal arguments .. Imagine what conclusions alien scientists would draw if their probe lands, for example, on an old compost heap and takes samples .. - you don't agree that our planet consists of a cow g * vna?

[NF68]

"Backward China" has just dispersed properly. The coronavirus slowed it down a bit, but hardworking Chinese people quickly recovered everything.

[Dmitry Leontiev]

Second after Russia, not third after the United States and Russia. The USA were on the moon only in their shameful pavilions.