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The US press told about the scenario of a new possible war in the Caucasus

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The Russian presence in Karabakh certainly made it possible to end the armed conflict, but it is very far from the final stabilization in the region. First of all, there remains the danger of movement along the Lachin corridor, which connects Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Despite the introduction of the Russian military, movement along the route remains dangerous, even for civilians.


The main risk is in the transport corridor


Michael Rubin of The National Interest sees the main explosive factor in the uncertainty of the wording on the regulation of transport links between the main part of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan region, which is cut off by the territory of Armenia. The movement of Azerbaijani and, moreover, Turkish transport through the Armenian territory will not be safe. In addition, provocations on the route may be beneficial to the Turkish side.

The following scenario of a possible war in the Caucasus is being considered: Turkish transport, en route from Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, comes under fire from unknown persons on Armenian territory. In response, Recep Erdogan, of course, will demand to provide a safe corridor through the territory of Armenia, and this will mean that Turkish or Azerbaijani military will appear on purely Armenian soil with the likely subsequent start of battles.

But the Armenian people will try to prevent such a development of events. Naturally, no Armenian leader will agree with the creation of a buffer zone on the territory of Armenia. This is the reason for another armed conflict.

For Ankara, the acquisition of controlled territories under the guise of ensuring security and fighting terrorism is nothing new. This tactic was successfully used by Turkish troops in Syria, where, as a result, quite large territories inhabited by ethnic Turkomans (Syrian Turkmens), who are actually the same Turks, were brought under complete control of Ankara. Now these territories, although formally part of Syria, are in fact completely controlled by the Turkish military.

Will Turkey risk attacking Armenia?


In Armenia, we see a slightly different situation. There is no Turkish or Azerbaijani population here, but there is a need to provide a route fully controlled by Turkish-Azerbaijani forces linking Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan. And Erdogan and Aliyev will try to make every effort to create such a route. Naturally, provocative methods will also be used.

Publicist Michael Rubin in the US press concludes that Turkey will definitely try to take advantage of this opportunity, and Armenia alone will not be able to withstand the much stronger Turkish army. Russian support remains the only chance of avoiding war with Turkey, but Rubin believes that Erdogan's ambition and self-confidence may ultimately overpower even his fears of Russian interference in the conflict.

At the same time, Ankara should remember that Armenia is a member of the CSTO. As for Moscow, it is not a sin to note here: the surrender of positions in the Transcaucasus will become another geopolitical fiasco of Russia, as it negates the centuries-old achievements of Russian policy in the region.

A century after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Turkish authorities are reasserting themselves in Transcaucasia, and sooner or later these claims to a dominant role will have to end.
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  1. K-612-O
    K-612-O 4 December 2020 09: 27
    +13
    Wet dreams of the Anglo-Saxons about the next Russian-Turkish war. It already itches in one place with them
    1. krot
      krot 4 December 2020 09: 38
      +6
      The following scenario of a possible war in the Caucasus is being considered: Turkish transport, en route from Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, comes under fire from unknown persons on Armenian territory.

      I agree with the previous speaker! The Anglo-Saxons sleep and see how to play off peoples near or within the borders of Russia.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 4 December 2020 13: 52
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        Will Turkey risk attacking Armenia?
        Erdogan and Aliyev have a need to provide a route fully controlled by Turkish-Azerbaijani forces connecting Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan, and will try to make every effort to create a route through the territory of the Republic of Armenia.
        Naturally, provocative methods will also be used.

        And Azerbaijani soldiers, already in RUSSIAN, provocatively and militantly warn Russia and the Russians that they are - the Turks of Azerbaijan are morally ready for this. And that Russians for them - Muslim Turks - are their historical enemies.
        The brains of young Azerbaijanis have already been radically re-framed by Turkey.

        The appeal of an Azerbaijani soldier to the Russians. 30 nov. 2020
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 4 December 2020 17: 15
          -1
          The brains of young Azerbaijanis have already been radically re-framed by Turkey.

          Tatyana!
          1. This is not the case.
          2. Why are you provoking both Russians and Azerbaijanis?
          One video of a soldier from the war is not a reason for generalizations on the scale of our countries. hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 December 2020 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            The brains of young Azerbaijanis have already been radically re-framed by Turkey.
            Tatyana!
            1. This is not the case.
            2. Why are you provoking both Russians and Azerbaijanis?
            One video of a soldier from the war is not a reason for generalizations on the scale of our countries. hi

            I would like to believe you! Yes, only logic and facts speak of something else and alarming it is the Russians.
            Let's see after a while which of us swami was actually right!
            I would be glad to make a mistake in this and admit that you are right, but this is unlikely to work out ..
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 4 December 2020 17: 29
              +1
              Open the borders - I'll go and look at the people. I'll be back - I'll tell you.
              We communicate constantly by phone. Have not changed.
              logic and facts tell a different story

              "The sleep of reason gives birth to a monster." Do not be afraid. hi
              1. krot
                krot 5 December 2020 07: 52
                +3
                And Azerbaijani soldiers already in RUSSIAN provocatively warlike Russia and Russians

                Tatyana, I still think this was not the appeal to the Russians .. But to the Armenians. I did not hear that these words are for Russians. And he said in Russian, because he hardly wanted to say it in Armenian! Russian is understood by both)
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 5 December 2020 11: 40
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                  I'm not Tatiana ... wink
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                3. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 5 December 2020 11: 56
                  +1
                  No, Pavel! The video is named correctly - "Appeal of an Azerbaijani soldier to the Russians"
                  This is the appeal of an Azerbaijani Turk with his "Allah Akbar!" (Allah is great!) To RUSSIANS in the background of the HISTORICAL confrontation between Turkey and Russia!

                  REFERENCE
                  People's negative perception of the words "Allah Akbar!" arises because these words can be heard from the lips of the militants who use them as your battle cry in hostilities.
                  1. krot
                    krot 6 December 2020 08: 35
                    +1
                    No, Pavel! The video is named correctly - "Appeal of an Azerbaijani soldier to the Russians"

                    No, Tatiana. He turned to "his enemies" and his enemies, Armenians, understand Russian just as well, and his enemies, Armenians, are also mostly Christians. We have no blood feud with the Turks and Azerbaijanis, with the exception of certain moments, while the Armenians have a blood feud there ..
                    Do not pass off your words as the ultimate truth. When he says in your video that he speaks specifically to the Russians, then we'll talk.
                    Allah Akbar is the same as Glory to God! It's just religion. And fanatics, they are fanatics in Africa too ..
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 6 December 2020 14: 12
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                      Quote: krot
                      He turned to "his enemies" and his enemies, Armenians, understand Russian just as well, and his enemies, Armenians, are also mostly Christians. We have no blood feud with the Turks and Azerbaijanis, except for some moments. And the Armenians have a blood feud there ..

                      Firstly. Think about the content of what the Azerbaijani soldier said on the video in his speech!
                      Brothers! I will speak in Russian so that our enemies understand what I want to convey to them.
                      We are Muslims - the nation that always takes the first place! Which always wins! We never lose!
                      Our soldiers, (one, if dies, becomes a martyr) - thousands are born!
                      Allah Akbar!
                      And at the same time, the exclamation "Allah Akbar!" he and all those present are accompanied by a demonstration of a raised index finger - a sign that means precisely the radical adherence of the Azerbaijani serviceman to Islam in a combat situation!
                      And secondly. And political scientists comment on this phenomenon in Azerbaijan as hostility against Russia.
                      Namely, that it is not just about the problem of interaction between states, between Armenia and Artsakh, between Armenia and Azerbaijan, namely, that in Azerbaijan this problem is ETHNIZED.
                      At the same time, it was noticed that the President of Azerbaijan has stated many times that the enemies of Azerbaijan are the Armenians as such, who live in Russia, the United States, and France,
                      And tell me who your friend (or enemy) is - and I will tell you who you are to me!
                      1. krot
                        krot 6 December 2020 20: 01
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                        And secondly. And political scientists comment on this phenomenon in Azerbaijan as hostility against Russia.

                        Do you believe political scientists? This is all nonsense .. Empty talk. Empty words.
                        And by the way, now your words can be interpreted as inciting ethnic hatred and slander! Think with brains, not emotions and conspiracy theories. Think twice before writing ..
                        Somehow before, I read your comments quite adequate ..
                        And if the words "Allah Akbar" frighten you, then just cover your ears, because about 15% of native Muslims live in Russia. And everyone says it.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 December 2020 20: 21
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                        Quote: krot
                        And if the words "Allah Akbar" frighten you, then just cover your ears, because about 15% of native Muslims live in Russia. And everyone says it.

                        I have been to St. Petersburg more than once. I heard from Muslims about 17 years old in pure Russian (obviously from the second generation of foreign "labor" migrants from the SA) that the city of St. Petersburg belongs to Muslims and that St. Petersburg is only TEMPORARY for the Russians. That the whole world belongs to Muslims.
                        I ask: why do they think so? They answer that THEIR RELIGION tells them so! And that it will be so.

                        So you don't need to hang me wushu noodles!
                      3. krot
                        krot 7 December 2020 04: 01
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                        I ask: why do they think so? They answer that THEIR RELIGION tells them so! And that it will be so.

                        And the young "Cleaver" is now a dead man slaughtering Muslims .. And he has a lot of followers ..
                        Are all Russian thugs now in your opinion?
                        One said dumbass, and you water the whole nation!
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 7 December 2020 11: 09
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                        Quote: krot
                        And the young "Cleaver" is now a dead man slaughtering Muslims .. And he has a lot of followers ..
                        Well, firstly, not just by nationality, but for the debauchery of minors and pedophilia. Who is to blame that mostly non-Russians came across this?
                        Yes, and these "Tesakov" in the country, the cat cried. Moreover, Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is not just called "Russian"! Because all attacks against Russians by representatives of national minorities are qualified by the authorities, as a rule, as on an everyday basis. And this is actually not entirely true.
                        Only in the latest amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation did the authorities remember the Russians and the Russian language.
                        If you do not want to notice the presence of the Russian question in the country since 1917, then, apparently, you yourself are not Russian, but a representative of a different nationality.
                        What does the pro-Western sabotage liberal tolerance for the so-called. foreign "labor" and "social" migrants for the destruction of national states, we see on the example of France, Germany, etc.
                        It’s bad that you don’t notice this, don’t understand, if you are really Russian and Western philistine.
                      5. krot
                        krot 7 December 2020 17: 40
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                        Tatiana, you generally dumped everything in a heap .. Sorry, but it looks like verbal diarrhea. All I know is what I sing about .. And my surname is Sidorov. What nationality do you think I am?
                        So not a cleaver, but another Russian stabbed the Indian in the gateway. Here you are on whose side .. I am not interested in the biography of such scum and probably confused it with a cleaver. All Russians don't like Indians in your opinion!
                        In St. Petersburg, five skinheads will be tried for the murder of an Indian student

                        Google to the rescue. I finished the polemic with you.
                  2. elshad
                    elshad 10 December 2020 23: 13
                    0
                    straight childish reasoning.
    2. Albay
      Albay 8 December 2020 17: 51
      0
      Tatyana, you are engaged in outright provocation.
      The guy is addressing the enemies, not the Russians. Where is the address to the Russians in the video?
  • saigon
    saigon 4 December 2020 17: 22
    +1
    Yes, Tatiana is called believe in themselves, though it's not entirely clear why.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 4 December 2020 17: 34
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      Quote: saigon
      Yes, Tatiana. This is called believing in yourself, though it's not entirely clear why on earth

      It's just that for young people everything is young and green + Nazi Turkish propaganda and the obvious military success of Azerbaijan under the leadership of the Turkish command in the war with the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.
      1. saigon
        saigon 4 December 2020 19: 28
        -1
        The victory was won by Azerbaijani soldiers and officers and the Turks clearly did not command here. The supply of weapons, yes, an instructor with weapons, yes, but were the Azerbaijani commanders in command of the operation, knowledge of the area, knowledge of the enemy, and what could the Turks teach there? What is the Turks' great military experience with the Kurds to fight? Is he needed there? There are all like what no army but not terrorists in opponents.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 December 2020 20: 51
          +2
          Quote: saigon
          The victory was won by Azerbaijani soldiers and officers and the Turks clearly did not command here ... Supply of weapons yes, instructor with weapons yes, but Azerbaijani commanders were in command of the operation , knowledge of the area, knowledge of the enemy and what the Turks could teach there

          You are wrong. Do not belittle the merits of the Turkish Armed Forces in the victory of the Azerbaijanis over the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh! Namely.

          Firstly. There is a serious generational split in the Azerbaijani army. Namely.
          Turkish advisers used to enjoy significant influence in the Azerbaijani army, were responsible for retraining and rearmament, but with the beginning of the operation in Karabakh they occupied a dominant position. Not everyone liked it. The same general Sadigov is credited with the phrase he threw at one of the meetings: "If we give the Turks the army, maybe our wives too?"
          At the same time, the chair under General Sadigov swayed for a long time.
          Back in the middle of summer, a whole package of accusations was thrown into the media space of the South Caucasus countries. Sadigov was reproached for being born in Dagestan Derbent and of Lezghin origin, poor knowledge of the Azerbaijani language, and the presence of relatives in Russia. And most importantly, by the fact that his cousin allegedly served in the Russian army on the territory of Armenia as part of the 102nd military base in Gyumri.
          The army in Azerbaijan is being cleaned from those officers and generals who began serving in the Soviet Union, studied at Soviet military schools and therefore may have army friends in other post-Soviet states, including Russia and Armenia. Those who have completed an internship or study in Turkey are put on key positions. Turkish advisers are placed above them.

          And secondly. It was the Turks who led the attack on Karabakh - Lieutenant General of the Turkish Army Seref Ongay and Major General of the Turkish Army Bakhtiyar Ersay.
          They were the cream of the 600 Turkish officers who took part in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

          The group, headed by Major General Bakhtiyar Ersay, Chief of the Operations Directorate of the Ground Forces of Turkey, was directly involved in organizing hostilities against Nagorno-Karabakh. Ersay is located in Baku. After the removal of the Chief of the General Staff of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, Najmeddin Sadigov, he personally supervises the General Staff of the Azerbaijan Republic on the operation against Karabakh. He reports to the top military-political leadership of Turkey on the course of the operation.

          Also, Lieutenant General Seref Ongay, commander of the 3rd Field Army of the Ground Forces of Turkey, located in the Erzincan region in eastern Anatolia, took part in the planning and implementation of the operation in Karabakh. He came to Azerbaijan in September and October, and before that - in the summer.

          Ongay and several other Turkish generals were planning Turkish-Azerbaijani joint offensive operations.
          Ersay is the military leader of the entire operation in Karabakh.

          See in detail -
          https://yandex.ru/turbo/vz.ru/s/world/2020/11/12/1069822.html
          1. Albay
            Albay 8 December 2020 17: 56
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            Tatyana, you are using fakes spread by the Armenians.
            There is no split in the Azerbaijani army. All sorts of nonsense has been written about General Madykov for six months now. Nowhere and nowhere did he express his satisfaction with Turkish military men. He still fulfills his duties. Believe the delirium and feelings that are written in the newspapers from the words of allegedly anonymous informants.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 8 December 2020 21: 04
              0
              Quote: Albay
              Tatyana, you are using fakes spread by the Armenians.
              There is no split in the Azerbaijani army. For half a year they have been writing nonsense about General Sadykov. Nowhere and never did he express dissatisfaction with the Turkish military. He still fulfills his duties. Believe less delirium and nonsense, which is written in the newspapers from the words of allegedly anonymous informed persons.

              I understand your patriotic feelings, but about this incident with Sadykov was published in the AZERBAIJANI newspaper Azadlig back in August 2020.
              Chief of the General Staff of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces and First Deputy Defense Minister Najmeddin Sadykov spoke unflatteringly about his Turkish colleagues and put all the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry in an uncomfortable position. This was announced by the editor-in-chief of the Azeri newspaper Azadlig, noting that Sadykov made offensive remarks at one of the operational meetings.
              “How happy you are at the arrival of the Turks, maybe you can substitute your women for them too” was one of Sadykov's statements. It should be noted that most likely this remark concerned the arrival of Turkish servicemen for the joint Turkish-Azerbaijani exercises.
              The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan was forced to issue a statement regarding this situation and try to refute Sadykov's words. Naturally, all the blame for the incident was blamed on “some individuals living abroad”. The statement of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan says that
              “The ill-wishers of our country who have settled abroad, as well as those financed by the special services of Armenia and receiving instructions from them, are conducting a campaign to slander the servicemen - First Deputy Minister of Defense - Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Colonel-General Najmeddin Sadykov, who served for many years in the Azerbaijani Army, and other high-ranking officers ”.

              https://infoteka24.ru/

              The head of the General Staff of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces was in the center of a scandal over the insult of the Turkish military. 12 Aug 2020
              1. Albay
                Albay 9 December 2020 00: 06
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                What have my feelings to do with it?
                The Azadlig newspaper very often publishes fakes from the opposition type sitting in Germany. They wrote that Sadykov's brother was a hero of Russia and a Russian general. When Sadykov's brother died in the 90s and was not a military man. The video is an ordinary feeling concocted by the Armenians. I will never repeat Sadykov. expressed dissatisfaction with the Turkish military and they have been in Azerbaijan for more than 20 years and Salykov, like the Minister of Defense, continue to fulfill their duties. The campaign of slandering Sadykov by the rppositseoners began not yesterday, but for almost six months they have been writing all kinds of nonsense and nonsense about him. Even the Ministry of Defense denied rumors about him.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 9 December 2020 02: 28
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                  Let's say that everything is as you say, that it is supposedly fakes. But only logically, ends and ends do not grow together anyway. Namely.
                  Who Sadykov's brother was and when he died does not really matter.
                  Quote: Albay
                  Sadykov never expressed dissatisfaction with the Turkish military and they have been in Azerbaijan for over 20 years.
                  Those. the uneasy influence and presence of the Turkish Armed Forces in Azerbaijan, as well as the training of the Azerbaijani military in Turkey - i.e. merging of Azerbaijan with Turkey - you admit.
                  And why do you at the same time refute the PRINCIPAL participation of Turkish generals in the leadership of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan in the interests not so much of Azerbaijan as in the interests of Turkey itself?
                  This in itself is naive and logically wrong on your part.
                2. Albay
                  Albay 12 December 2020 01: 04
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                  Tatyana, Turkey's interests in Azerbaijan do not contradict the interests of Azerbaijan in any way! As for the dominant participation of Turkish generals in the General Staff, this is a sensation. I served for many years, my Azeri generals are in charge of the General Staff. As for the presence of the Turkish armed forces, their presence is only now indicated in connection with the events and the war. Previously, such a presence was not and was not necessary. Our army is already trained according to the Turkish model.
                3. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 12 December 2020 12: 26
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                  Quote: Albay
                  Regarding the presence of the Turkish armed forces, their presence is only now indicated in connection with the events and the war. Previously, such a presence was not and was not necessary. Our army is already trained according to the Turkish model.

                  So I am writing about it! And that's exactly what I'm taking into account!
                4. Albay
                  Albay 12 December 2020 20: 42
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                  No, you don't write that. Read carefully what you write. No Turkish generals in our general staff command. Our generals are no worse than the Turkish ones.
                5. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 12 December 2020 22: 01
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                  Quote: Albay (Alibek)
                  No Turkish generals are in command of our general staff. Our generals are trained no worse than the Turkish ones.

                  Your generals are trained, trained ... Yes, only then answer a simple question.
                  What was the point of the Turkish Armed Forces to participate in the Azerbaijani-Turkish military exercises in Azerbaijan in the summer - just before Azerbaijan's attack on the NKR by the Armenians ?!
                  You in Azerbaijan, apparently, completely perceive Erdogan as a sucker. Now - fled, found a Turkish sucker! No matter how it is!

                  Who did you yourself serve in the General Staff of Azerbaijan and when?
                6. Albay
                  Albay 12 December 2020 22: 21
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                  Every six months, then in Turkey, then in Azerbaijan, joint large-scale exercises are held. You do not know Erdogan and the Turks in general and are blinded by turkophobia. The Russian bases in Armenia mean that the dominance of Russian generals in the general staff of Armenia means that Russian-Armenian exercises are held twice every year. What's the point?
                  Of course he served, whoever does not matter.
  • Wolf36
    Wolf36 5 December 2020 09: 54
    +1
    You do not interpret this video correctly, he speaks in Russian, not Russian. We have a wonderful relationship and understanding with the Russians. And so, almost all Russian media fell upon us, accusing us of all mortal sins. There is no need to turn the Russian people against us. And us against the Russians.
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 4 December 2020 09: 42
    +8
    Quote: K-612-O
    The US press told about the scenario of a new possible war in the Caucasus

    Quote: K-612-O
    Wet dreams of the Anglo-Saxons

    These are not dreams! Dreaming on the couch! They clearly write - these are their SCENARIOS !! hi
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 4 December 2020 09: 48
    -2
    It would not be bad for them to take care of their buffer / sirloin places, no matter how BLM "planted" them in the white house.
    P.S. The corridor in Nakhichevan is needed by the AR, not the sultan, precisely so that Erdogan does not expropriate this Nakhichevan.
  • Renator
    Renator 4 December 2020 09: 27
    -12%
    Twitter / Artsakh Defense Army Everything is clear in short!
    Author, Armenians claim Turkish lands, not Turks!
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 4 December 2020 09: 31
      +4
      I wonder what? Kars is excuse me or Russian or Armenian lands, profaned by Dashnaks and Bolsheviks.
      1. Ascold1901
        Ascold1901 4 December 2020 09: 49
        +1
        By the way, Erzurum was also part of the Russian Empire. For reference - Erzurum
        or Erzirum, Arzerum is the main city of the vilayet of the same name in Asian Turkey, embracing a significant part of Turkish Armenia. dic.academic.ru
        1. Renator
          Renator 4 December 2020 09: 59
          -7
          к
          Quote: Ascold1901
          By the way, Erzurum was also part of the Russian Empire.

          You know the history well? Then you should know that the Black Sea was the Ottoman Empire, and not talk nonsense! What are you talking about?
          1. Ascold1901
            Ascold1901 4 December 2020 10: 38
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            History, unlike you, I know quite well. And he did not get to know her through propaganda.
            “... in 1472, together with Great Armenia, it passed under the Persian rule, and in 1522 the Turks took possession of this region. As a result of the victory of the Russians, under the command of Paskevich, over the Turks on the Erzurum plain (in July 1829), Pashalyk E., together with the main city, the stronghold of Turkey from Russia and Persia, ended up in the power of Russia, but according to the Adrianople peace (September 1829 .) was returned to the Sultan. In 1877, Mukhtar Pasha, defeated in the Aladzhin heights, retreated beyond the Saganlug ridge, pursued by the detachment of General Gaiman, who on October 23 again defeated the Turks at Deve Boynu. The latter quickly retreated to E .; our attempt to take possession of the fortress by means of an accidental attack failed. Gaiman's detachment settled in winter quarters in the vicinity of the fortress. On the basis of the peace concluded in 1878, E. was occupied in February by Russian troops, but according to the Berlin Treaty he was returned to Turkey. "
            1. Renator
              Renator 4 December 2020 10: 42
              -4
              Quote: Ascold1901
              History, unlike you, I know quite well.

              Have you been looking in the internet for a long time?
              1. Ascold1901
                Ascold1901 4 December 2020 10: 51
                +3
                Young man, I read history books when there was still no Internet (and you, probably). And books were rare, and there were reading rooms at libraries. And the quote is for you and "hedgehogs with them." Before you write, you need this, at least for a short time, "... search the internet."
                1. Renator
                  Renator 4 December 2020 14: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Ascold1901
                  Young man, I read history books when the Internet was not yet

                  laughing I would like a young man to live, but alas, the years take their toll!
                  And what story did you read? Propaganda or true, the most important is it!
      2. X-factor
        X-factor 4 December 2020 10: 05
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        Where are these Russian or Armenian lands from? Russia is far from Kars, and Armenia did not exist as a state 200 years ago. Yes, there was an Armenian nation - nomads. Why was there, they are nomads even now. Lived on from the Red to the Black Sea. But the bottom never had its own state.
        Now they are trying to show everything they see as their own. I think even a video where they say that Russia as a state was created thanks to the Armenians, where they say that the Russian language is a derivative of the Armenian language, where they say that the entire Russian nation owes its existence to the Armenians, and even Putin the Armenians saw power. Now we all look at it like crazy crazy, but I assure you in 200-300 years, they will raise all these footage from the archive, and the fact that now we are like crazy crazy, in the future they will demonstrate as a real story. My personal opinion is that the Armenians should not be indulged, Putin did the right thing to put them in their place.
        And here is a photo of their ambitions and territorial claims to their neighbors. Even Georgia has claims.


        Once, and these fictional tales, they will prove that all this happened, and will show this picture that there were even flags.
        1. Ascold1901
          Ascold1901 4 December 2020 10: 46
          +2
          For reference - In November 1877, Kars was taken by Russian troops as a result of a rapid assault and, according to the San Stefano Peace Treaty of 1878, went to Russia.
          In 1878-1917. Kars is the center of the Kara region of the Russian Empire. The outskirts of the city were actively inhabited by Russian settlers - in particular, the Molokans.
          States: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Moldavia, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Esnonia, Finland, etc. did not exist until 1917.
        2. saigon
          saigon 4 December 2020 10: 55
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          My dear man, where did the story go?
          I do not even pose a question about the study of this science, the Armenians, an ancient people who lived in the same places even before the RK (Nativity of Christ) had their states long before they appeared in the wrong places, but in general in the history of the Turks (about 554 years in the Altai region ).
          Let me tell you the secret of the true Türks themselves, the ancients were all the same of the Mongoloid race, by the passing of time the Arabs began to call the nomads (all without distinction) living to the north of Sogdiana that way.
          In our time, the Turks are a linguistic family (a linguistic term, but in no way an ethnographic one).
          So it is very strange to deny the presence of the antiquity of the people and state of Armenia. Taking into account the later appearance in history of the Turks themselves and those who now call themselves that are not ethnic Turks.
          Such is the uppsss gentlemen.
          By the way, even the last Turks of the second kaganate were industriously slaughtered by the Uighurs, and at the root. Around the beginning of the first millennium.
          1. Ascold1901
            Ascold1901 4 December 2020 15: 59
            +1
            Judging by your answer, then you are generally at the “Primer” stage - you have learned to write, but not to read. I write about "states", and you, with aplomb, about "peoples." ))). You probably don't even read what you yourself write - "... to deny the presence of antiquity of the people and state of Armenia ..."! How bent.
            “People” and “State” are different concepts (they are even spelled differently, I explain, because you don't read well). I have clearly written "States". You never named the Armenian state. And I don't see in my message exactly where I questioned the antiquity of the Armenians.
            1. saigon
              saigon 4 December 2020 17: 19
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              Actually, it was not written to you and what excited you so to me is somewhat incomprehensible, the answer was given to a certain x-factor to his statements about nomadic Armenians and other things. So do not strain yourself.
              1. Ascold1901
                Ascold1901 4 December 2020 22: 23
                +1
                I do not strain.))) The phrase “My dear man, where did you go through the story?
                I am not even asking about the study of this science ... ”has a clear addressing. Or am I wrong?))))
    2. Kara
      Kara 4 December 2020 09: 54
      +13
      Quote: Renator
      Author, Armenians claim Turkish lands, not Turks!

      The author is Michael Rubin from the USA.
      And if we talk about foreign lands, then the Armenians claim the lands of the Azerbaijanis, and the Turks - the lands of the Armenians.
    3. saigon
      saigon 4 December 2020 10: 28
      0
      Are not Armenians really claiming Turkish lands?
      Something you are late here on the site will appear, but about such a friendly flock was and disappeared somewhere, you should not print nonsense here.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 December 2020 09: 27
    0
    The Russian Foreign Ministry will express concern.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 December 2020 09: 31
    +2
    striped ones won't calm down until they fit in and destroy everything they can reach ... it's like in Iraq ... and everywhere in the world where they interfered ...
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 4 December 2020 09: 33
    +3
    The main message of this article is that the Americans do not want to defend Armenia, but they do not mind looking at the battle between Turkey and Russia. But does Russia need it? request
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 4 December 2020 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: Tank Hard
      The main message of this article is that the Americans do not want to defend Armenia, but they do not mind looking at the battle between Turkey and Russia. But does Russia need it? request
      Yes, the stump is clear, which is not needed. However, the development of events according to the described scenario with provocation and resumption of hostilities cannot be ruled out. In general, mattresses are fond of fighting against their geopolitical enemies, with someone else's hands in foreign territories.
  • withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 4 December 2020 09: 59
    +11
    The West will do anything .. to play off Russia and Turkey. now a chess game will begin, in which the grandmaster qualities of one or another leader who will be involved in this game will manifest themselves.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 4 December 2020 10: 07
    +1
    While "scenarios are being discussed" in the press, there is no need to pay special attention to them. You need to think about those scenarios that are not talked about openly.
  • askort154
    askort154 4 December 2020 10: 19
    0
    Erdogan is now not under the tutelage of the United States, he is under the tutelage of London. The United States handed over patronage over him, knowing the great experience of England in this matter. England pitted Turkey against Russia for hundreds of years. Most of all, Russia had to fight, with Turkey.
    Now Turkey has steeply climbed, not only to Azeybarjan, but also to Ukraine. And Turkish Foreign Minister Chavashoglu said bluntly that Turkey will help Ukraine in the return of Crimea. The Anglo-Saxons decided to involve Turkey in the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia. The great Anglo-Saxon "game" against Russia is entering a new, more dangerous phase.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2020 10: 36
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    One gets the impression that Michael Rubin is asleep and sees that his predictions come true, but with a set of words, he supposedly expresses sympathy for the Armenian people in the current situation. Who benefits from an article in the American media today that tells how Erdogan can enter into a military confrontation with Russia? Here I am about the same.
  • svoit
    svoit 4 December 2020 10: 40
    +1
    Well, the armistice has not canceled the intelligence war, and it is quite possible to stuff something forbidden for transportation into a cargo from Turkey, but at least drugs or weapons are quite possible. And under this pretext, place your checkpoint in the NAR
  • Andrey Lu
    Andrey Lu 4 December 2020 10: 58
    -2
    "Will Turkey risk attacking Armenia?"
    it would be good, Constantinople would be revived ...
  • iouris
    iouris 4 December 2020 12: 55
    0
    All these tales about the Ottoman Empire do not stand up to American criticism. At the core: oil, gas, trade routes ... Tell me where the very big money went ... But very big money loves dead silence.
  • askort154
    askort154 4 December 2020 13: 21
    +1
    The US press told about the scenario of a new possible war in the Caucasus

    Modern MEDIA is the second power on Earth. Psychological treatment of the world community has already begun that a war in the Caucasus is inevitable. Naturally, the culprit is Russia. This is the "third ring of anaconda" - the strategic plan of the United States against the USSR, developed under Reagan, parallel to the strategy
    "ABM USA". Their two "rings" have already worked successfully:
    1 - liquidated the "Warsaw Pact" - all its participants are now under the United States;
    2 - liquidated the USSR, creating around it "color-revolutionary" regions.
    3 - "squeezing Russia" by means of military hotbeds along its entire perimeter of interests, as well as - the explosion of internal problems not only by the "opposition", but most importantly, through the fed up and completely dependent on the US Russian "elite" - keeping all its accumulation ", and their heirs in their
    "anti-Russian havens". How not to remember here, not killed words of Brzezinski - if the Russian elite holds 500 billion in US banks, then think - whose elite is this ?!
    For centuries - "elites" come, change, and do not notice that at the same time, rivers of human blood flow. For them, human blood is like water. The fire in Syria is dying out, now two will be kindled to replace it - in Ukraine and the Caucasus. Live in peace in Russia,
    and to develop economically, they will never give.
  • Ganja
    Ganja 4 December 2020 15: 02
    +1
    it turns out that a new order for escalation this time was given around the Lachin corridor. The performers have been known from the Armenian side for a long time, already since 1988 - they are Dashnaks. True, this time they will hide behind state institutions, as in the Sumgait events, they will not be able to Tedashnaks, because there is no Soviet Union, and Armenia will not even dare to openly use state resources, as the State Security Council of the Armenian SSR did then, so that passion would heat up. Then they skillfully hid behind the Pope's back under the name of the Soviet Union. Then not who even the Turks would dare to blame the state structures of the Armenian SSR, because it was the USSR, and the customers, as you know, were the Americans through the Armenian diaspora in the USA
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 4 December 2020 20: 27
    -1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Will Turkey risk attacking Armenia?
    Erdogan and Aliyev have a need to provide a route fully controlled by Turkish-Azerbaijani forces connecting Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan, and will try to make every effort to create a route through the territory of the Republic of Armenia.
    Naturally, provocative methods will also be used.

    And Azerbaijani soldiers, already in RUSSIAN, provocatively and militantly warn Russia and the Russians that they are - the Turks of Azerbaijan are morally ready for this. And that Russians for them - Muslim Turks - are their historical enemies.
    The brains of young Azerbaijanis have already been radically re-framed by Turkey.

    The appeal of an Azerbaijani soldier to the Russians. 30 nov. 2020

    Another primitive Armenian provocation from a bot named "Tatiana". The Armenians took the video (as always) and decorated it with their title. You like to engage in meanness, try to drive a wedge between Russians and Azerbaijanis. Habit is second nature)
    This is an appeal of the Azerbaijani serviceman to the Armenian military, and not to the Russians.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 4 December 2020 20: 41
    -1
    Quote: saigon
    My dear man, where did the story go?
    I do not even pose a question about the study of this science, the Armenians, an ancient people who lived in the same places even before the RK (Nativity of Christ) had their states long before they appeared in the wrong places, but in general in the history of the Turks (about 554 years in the Altai region ).
    Let me tell you the secret of the true Türks themselves, the ancients were all the same of the Mongoloid race, by the passing of time the Arabs began to call the nomads (all without distinction) living to the north of Sogdiana that way.
    In our time, the Turks are a linguistic family (a linguistic term, but in no way an ethnographic one).
    So it is very strange to deny the presence of the antiquity of the people and state of Armenia. Taking into account the later appearance in history of the Turks themselves and those who now call themselves that are not ethnic Turks.
    Such is the uppsss gentlemen.
    By the way, even the last Turks of the second kaganate were industriously slaughtered by the Uighurs, and at the root. Around the beginning of the first millennium.

    What other states? Have you read a lot of Armenian science fiction?)) Prof. N. Garsoyan - the founder of Armenian studies in the United States, as well as famous Armenian historians Perikhanyan, Karakashian state:
    "All the rulers of state entities called" Armenia "(rather Roman and Parthian provinces) of ancient (pre-Islamic) Armenia were exclusively IRANIANS."
    The Iranians were the Arteshisids-Artaxiads (Tigran II), the Arshakids under whom the province of Armenia of the Parthian state adopted Christianity.

    1. Armenian historian P. Kerop Patkanov. "Van inscriptions and their significance for the history of Western Asia." SPb. 1981, pp. 36-37. From the book "Armenia" by Magdi Neiman. SPb, 1899.
    "Armenia, as a state, did not play any significant role in the history of mankind, its name was a geographical term widespread by Armenians, it was a place for the resolution of disputes of powerful states - Assyrians, Medes, Iranians, Greeks, Mongols, Russians ..."

    2. According to Professor F. Lenormand (Sorbonne University), Armenian historian P. Kerop Patkanov (“Van inscriptions and their significance for the history of Western Asia.” St. Petersburg, 1981, pp. 36-37), also Ilya Gerasimov, Marina Mogilner, Sergey Glebov (New imperial history of Northern Eurasia. Part 1) and many others:
    Armenia is not an ethnographic term, but the name of a geographical area (like Anatolia, Mesopotamia or Cappadocia) where many different peoples and tribes lived. In fact, all these tribes were collectively called according to the Western tradition "Armenians" (rather the Armenians, well, like the Urals or Siberians - the inhabitants of the Urals and Siberia), which was later transformed into the ethnonym "Armenians", and erroneously. According to Britannica, there was a confusion between "Armenians" and "Aramaeans" (Britannica. History
    Ancient and premodern Armenia) https://www.britannica.com/place/Armenia/History#ref4 ..
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 5 December 2020 12: 52
    0
    e will be another geopolitical fiasco

    and where are all the other fiascoes. what kind of deer writes such articles