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"Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible": Lost US Air Force over Belgrade F-117 stealth was not the only one

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"Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible": Lost US Air Force over Belgrade F-117 stealth was not the only one

History how one of the most valuable American stealth aircraft, the F-117 Nighthawk, was shot down over Serbia during NATO's Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999, has long been known to the general world community. Less well known is that the lost US Air Force over Belgrade was not the only one.


The American edition of The Drive writes about this.

Until March 1999, it was believed that it was absolutely impossible to shoot down an F-117 bomber. But when it was literally "returned to the ground" by the Soviet-made S-125 "Pechora" anti-aircraft missile, which is in service with the air defense of Serbia, it became a tasty morsel for Yugoslav propaganda.

Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible.

- then the whole world heard the mocking phrase of the Serbian military.

Later rumors began to appear that on April 30, another American stealth was shot down, which lost part of the tail unit, miraculously managed to reach the base and was decommissioned.

Retired US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie Heinlein, a former F-117 pilot who flew that day to bomb Serbia, paired with a downed plane, recently confirmed this information. The targets of these stealth bombers in Belgrade were approximately 16 kilometers apart.

After dropping the bombs, both F-117s were supposed to return to the tanker plane that was waiting for them over Hungary, but Heinlein arrived alone, and there was still no partner. When the damaged "stealth" appeared, he did not "obey" the pilot, so the tanker refueled it with great difficulty and only thanks to the instructions received from Heinlein. The wrecked car managed to reach the Spangdahl base in Germany. For helping a friend, the pilot received the "Distinguished Pilot" cross and a commendation from the command.

Today, a military expert from Canada, Mike Mikhailovich, said on his Twitter page that he had received a document at his disposal, which also spoke about the American stealth aircraft shot down on April 30, 1999.


He also claims that during Operation Allied Force, the Serbs may have knocked out another F-117. It turns out already the third. Presumably, the plane had to make an emergency landing in the Croatian Zagreb. It was also added that they did not restore it.

Photos used:
Twitter / Mike Mihajlovic
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  1. Poseidon
    Poseidon 2 December 2020 16: 10
    +26
    Now some will explain to everyone that these are fakes and this cannot be ...)))
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 2 December 2020 16: 31
      +15
      There are no invisible people, there are subtle ones. Someone once translated it incorrectly, and now everyone is misled. invisible - invisible
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 2 December 2020 17: 24
        +4
        Quote: Imobile
        There are no invisible people, there are subtle ones. Someone once translated it incorrectly, and now everyone is misled. invisible - invisible

        Do you believe yourself?)) Hardly. Very much ...
        In general, it was the INVISIBLE aircraft that the American military department tried to build. It was invisibility, albeit in the radio range, that was their goal, and this is what they always achieved. The fact that we had to go over to the term "inconspicuous" is a sign of the shameful failure of the entire complex of programs in this regard (and of course a sign of the enormous success of Soviet intelligence, which managed to push this crazy idea into American military heads).
        The Pentagon has completely spent trillions of dollars on all these programs, trying to achieve not stealth, but full invisibility in the radio range, and all that it has achieved is the rapid evolution of radio detection equipment. Which are immeasurably cheaper in development and in production.
        One cannot help but laugh at this whole situation. In my opinion, our radio engineer who "fled to the USA" is still alive and continues to diligently fool American heads, and they all pay him for it! Will die (grandfather is already old), it would be worth it to openly reward. I hope that the Hero of the Soviet Union was already assigned to him in due time. Deserved ...
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 2 December 2020 17: 58
          +10
          That is why we have built a Su-57 with Stealth elements and work is in full swing on the PAK DA, which will be completely stealth.
          1. Shimshon
            Shimshon 2 December 2020 20: 24
            +2
            And the UAV Hunter was built out of boredom then. Your comment is very correct Sergey.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 December 2020 09: 27
            -4
            To our general regret, our leadership has long been inconsistent in intelligence and intelligence with the tasks it solves. To put it simply, we now have a lot of nonsense going on around, everywhere and everywhere. The overwhelming majority of the decisions made are not just suboptimal, but generally inadequate. Not only in the military sphere.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 3 December 2020 09: 51
              +1
              Quote: Mikhail3
              To our general regret, our leadership has long been inconsistent in intelligence and intelligence with the tasks it solves. To put it simply, we now have a lot of nonsense going on around, everywhere and everywhere. The overwhelming majority of the decisions made are not just suboptimal, but generally inadequate. Not only in the military sphere.

              And in China, everyone has crap, they also encroached on stealth. And the Europeans, although they do not have their own 5th generation, but also there ... In general, all around are fools, you are the only Dartanyan
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 3 December 2020 09: 56
                +1
                It looks like you are protecting your grant from me. I don’t need to, I don’t distribute them. My texts are the result of an analysis of the situation, and not a guide to action for the authorities who are distributing appropriations. You shouldn't hope for a second that the authorities will act wisely, so you can not worry. I just think and dream ...
                Yes, it makes sense to take some kind of effort to get "stealth". But only if these efforts do not interfere with the growth of other flight and combat qualities of the aircraft. As soon as there is a contradiction, you should immediately stop paying attention to stealth.
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 09: 53
            +3
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            which will be completely "stealth"

            sorry of course, but what does it mean COMPLETELY? !!!!
            1. kytx
              kytx 3 December 2020 12: 58
              +3
              how is it?
              he flies through your window
              and you are not in the subject
              this is stealth
            2. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 37
              -4
              "sorry, of course, but what does it mean COMPLETELY? !!!!" - Compare the F-22 and B-21 - and you will understand immediately.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 20: 07
                +1
                why should I compare something ?!
                can you explain what YOU personally mean by "completely stealth" "?
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 20: 16
                  -1
                  If you are too lazy to compare, how will you understand? But I will try - such aircraft as F-22, F-35, Su-57, Chinese "stealth" fighters - have only elements of stealth, while the design of the B-2, B-21, and as far as can be judged by the open print - PAK DA and a promising Chinese long-range bomber - almost completely subordinated to the requirements of radar stealth, flight data had to be sacrificed for it.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2020 21: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                    as far as can be judged by the open press - PAK YES

                    to be honest it's funny
                    but you have not answered what PERSONALLY YOU mean by the term "full stealth" ?!
                    full stealth in what ranges ?!
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 3 December 2020 23: 00
                      -2
                      The RCS value is related to the wavelength, but it changes noticeably only if the wavelength significantly exceeds the large structural elements of the aircraft, for example, the wing. The size of B-2 is about 20 meters, approximately with a radar with a wavelength of more than 20 meters, the RCS will begin to change, but significant changes will be from higher wavelengths.
                      Radar dimensions are also related to wavelength.
                      Such radars are simply not included in the air defense system, their accuracy is very low, they actually use meter, maximum decameter with great restrictions, as well as the reliability of the information received.
                      But even if they are introduced as something, I don’t know how, decameter, meter, decimeter, centimeter radar, the bomber will not be seen, therefore, they will either write off it as a hindrance, or simply cannot shoot.
                      In addition, keep in mind that the increase in RCS in any case will not be hundreds or thousands of times.
                      For example, when switching from decimeter to meter range, the RCS of a conventional bomber will double, but optimized for stealth and even less - it has a minimum of small parts.
                      Therefore, all the stories that stealth bombers see some kind of radar from afar is a strong exaggeration.
          4. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 3 December 2020 12: 01
            +2
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            That is why we have built the Su-57 with Stealth elements

            in our country, in contrast to the United States, they call it low radar signature. there is no word "stealth" in Russian wink but some not distant journalists called it exactly "stealth", but some who are completely far from the topic repeat after him wink
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 42
              -3
              "in Russian there is no word" stealth "- if there is no such term in your language, this does not mean that it is absent in living Russian.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 4 December 2020 01: 37
                +4
                Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                "in Russian there is no word" stealth "- if there is no such term in your language, this does not mean that it is absent in living Russian.

                What is "live Russian"? This is the one in which not very smart journalists stuffed the English broadcast? disgrace! wassat
              2. Skif
                Skif 4 December 2020 11: 40
                +1
                I'm sorry to ask. And what does stealth mean in Russian?
        2. Bolo
          Bolo 2 December 2020 18: 45
          +5
          That is so, but they managed to push a marked Judas into the leadership of the USSR, who did much more harm ...
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 2 December 2020 21: 01
            +1
            they managed to push marked Judas into the leadership of the USSR

            Now, the GDP of Trump and then Biden has been "pushed through" them. laughing
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 December 2020 09: 32
            -1
            Quote: Bolo
            That is so, but they managed to push a marked Judas into the leadership of the USSR, who did much more harm ...

            Yes. This happened. The USSR needed a radical restructuring, this was absolutely obvious. But thanks to the very structure of the special services, they could not calculate and lead it. And those people who led the process actually turned out to be cudgels and traitors.
            All this could not have been foreseen without making a comprehensive miscalculation of the country situation, and the special services could not do it even openly. There was no one to do it, nothing with it, and at the first such attempt all those involved would have been destroyed. The USSR suffered a deafening collapse, thereby taking away the only hope for the future from all of humanity.
            The problems we face today are a systemic crisis of capitalism, and it will only grow until it brings humanity to a complete collapse. Extinction will follow, at best, 6/7 of all people, and in general hell on earth. Or the last war.
        3. Selevc
          Selevc 3 December 2020 11: 01
          0
          The Pentagon has ABSOLUTELY WASTE trillions of dollars on all these programs,
          So this is the usual practice of the American leadership ... They also spent tens of billions on the Space Shuttle program - and then they let everything go to waste !!! They spent about a billion dollars on Star Wars and built just a prototype of a combat laser !!! And then they admitted that at the modern level
          in the development of space technologies, it is impossible to shoot down a warhead in space with a laser beam !!!

          And how PR - how PR !!! - especially the launching Shuttles, it was just a visiting card of NASA !!! As a result, a donut hole and lost billions of dollars of American taxpayers !!! These are examples of just the wildest waste in modern history !!!
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 December 2020 11: 08
            0
            And how dysal! How dysal!
            I don’t know why this is so (although there are some suspicions), but Americans are astonishingly down-to-earth and uninventive people. How does this compare with the fact that not long ago there was a great Country of Engineers, which could only be admired, but ...
            In general, if you cannot win by the rules, win as you can, a very Anglo-Saxon principle) And the Americans overcome their lack of ingenuity with the means of the rich - they fill the problem with dough. Fortunately, until recently, the money printer allowed it. Now, not least because of the special operations of the USSR, the printer can no longer cope ...
            In general, they could spend money irrevocably - and they did. One success in controversial programs, and all the rest will find themselves in the position of European armies that did not have machine guns. And their opponents had ... So, unfortunately, there is a sense in their behavior. Having obtained a really breakthrough weapon, the Americans will immediately use it. And then...
        4. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 3 December 2020 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The Pentagon Spent Trillions of Dollars ABSOLUTELY INTO All These Programs

          Something I remembered the story with cement wassat and until 1945 the Germans smeared themselves with it. Nothing personal just business bully
        5. zenion
          zenion 3 December 2020 21: 23
          +1
          mikhail3 (Mikhail). Invisible is when the pilot has entered the barn, but there is no plane. He called him, someone quietly barked in response and it is not clear who. Then he takes a soft stick and begins to feel the space in the angambara, and then he rested on something. Now you need to find out whether the ass is an invisible plane, or the front of an invisible plane. But this is not enough, you need to know which side to look for the door to the cab. Finally I found it and then he whispers in his ear - say the password. He answers him - a password. The invisible man starts to get angry - you need to say a word and numbers, or now I will turn you on. Finally I remembered and said. And invisibility is so malicious to him - it was different yesterday today. Did you go to the headquarters? Oh forgot! Go to such and such mother! And who needs such planes ?!
      2. spirit
        spirit 2 December 2020 20: 32
        +3
        Here is a good video who has not yet watched about this unit! The enemy must be respected and conclusions must be drawn hi
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 2 December 2020 16: 31
      +1
      Quote: Poseidon
      Now some will explain to everyone that these are fakes and this cannot be ...)))

      may or may not be the tenth thing ...
      the main thing is whether the enemy has achieved his goals or not ... as we know, he has achieved ...
      1. figwam
        figwam 2 December 2020 16: 40
        +6
        Quote: NEOZ
        the main thing is whether the enemy has achieved goals or not

        The main thing is that the Serbian missile reached its target and the plane was written off as a combat unit.
        1. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 2 December 2020 16: 58
          +3
          It is convenient to explain FSE like this
          1. figwam
            figwam 2 December 2020 20: 19
            +4
            Quote: seregatara1969
            It is convenient to explain FSE like this

            What all? What are you talking about?
            There is a fact that a missile hit another invisible F-117, and the Pindos hid it. FSE!
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 23
          -8
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: NEOZ
          the main thing is whether the enemy has achieved goals or not

          The main thing is that the Serbian missile reached its target and the plane was written off as a combat unit.


          Did this help Yugoslavia?
          The downing of one plane and the destruction of the entire infrastructure of the country of Yugoslavia with conventional Tomahawks, Tornadoes and F-16s?

          Your words are like the boasting of a drunk in a fight ...
          How I grabbed him by the breasts, and what I “grabbed” after that I received in response not just in the face, but rolled out like a roller - the drunk is silent ...
          1. figwam
            figwam 2 December 2020 20: 31
            +9
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Did this help Yugoslavia?

            What does the whole of Yugoslavia have to do with it when I talk about a specific case of hiding the fact of the loss of a publicized and invulnerable plane, about another American lie about an invisible plane, and not about the results of the NATO war against Serbia.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 33
              -6
              Quote: figvam
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Did this help Yugoslavia?

              What does the whole of Yugoslavia have to do with it when I talk about a specific case of hiding the fact of the loss of a publicized and invulnerable plane, about another American lie about an invisible plane, and not about the results of the NATO war against Serbia.

              what lie?
              the Americans admitted the fact of the downing of the plane immediately.
              And Sarzu was identified as the cause of the shootdown by negligence in flight planning ...
              1. figwam
                figwam 2 December 2020 20: 36
                +2
                Quote: SovAr238A
                what lie?
                the Americans admitted the fact of the downing of the plane immediately.

                Read the article first, and then write)))
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 39
                  -4
                  Article is nonsense.
                  There are facts.
                  One was shot down, one was damaged.

                  Все.

                  Everything else is sucking some idiot out of a tweeter ...
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 2 December 2020 20: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    There are facts.

                    What are the facts? American! You make me laugh.
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 2 December 2020 21: 10
                      -6
                      Quote: figvam
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      There are facts.

                      What are the facts? American! You make me laugh.


                      The stage of alcoholism.
                      Get drunk.
                      come up with a reason.
                      Believe in him sincerely.
                      Defend passionately.

                      Ordinary psychology.
                      ordinary people.
                      1. figwam
                        figwam 2 December 2020 21: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        The stage of alcoholism.
                        Get drunk.
                        come up with a reason.
                        Believe in him sincerely.
                        Defend passionately.

                        Ordinary psychology.
                        ordinary people.

                        I sympathize with your lifestyle))) Get treatment ...
                      2. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 2 December 2020 22: 12
                        -2
                        It seems to me that you are a sent Cossack ...
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 2 December 2020 22: 16
            -7
            Did this help Yugoslavia?

            Would you like to help Yugoslavia? Because of her, the USSR collapsed ...
            Sincerely
      2. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        may or may not be the tenth thing ...
        the main thing is whether the enemy has achieved his goals or not ... as we know, he has achieved ...

        Well, the tenth is not the tenth .. And the flights of these super-expensive toys stopped abruptly in the sky of Yugoslavia and began to hollow from afar.
        1. dauria
          dauria 3 December 2020 02: 04
          -1
          And the flights of these super-expensive toys stopped abruptly


          Fed up. There is a solid article with a history of creation, a bunch of photos, an excellent description from design to combat use and tactics from Yugoslavia to Baghdad.
          Without praise and at a decent technical level, albeit in a popularizing manner. Nikolsky Mikhail - F-117 Nighthawk
          Lies right here. https://royallib.com/book/nikolskiy_mihail/f117_nighthawk.html
          Do not think of it as advertising, but I hope many will drop a bunch of silly stereotypes from internet garbage articles.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 2 December 2020 17: 07
      -2
      Tired of sucking on this story, now they have already found 3 shot down, in a year 5 it will be
      1. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 17: 48
        -5
        Quote: Clever man
        Tired of sucking on this story, now they have already found 3 shot down, in a year 5 it will be

        Well, this article came out for a reason, I think that it will again be similar to Yugoslavia in the world ..
        This is a type of warning for Biden's hot goals, etc. soldier What's wrong here, just remembering would not hurt (the air defense was Russian) wink
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 2 December 2020 18: 09
          -2
          The main thing is, do not forget about the result of the NATO operation)))
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 2 December 2020 18: 37
            0
            The result of the NATO operation was predetermined in advance by the money-grafted non-resistance of the alleged main participants in the conflict.
            The United States has never known how to fight. They are great at bribing and manipulating financial dependence.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 38
              -5
              Quote: MVG
              The result of the NATO operation was predetermined in advance by the money-grafted non-resistance of the alleged main participants in the conflict.
              The United States has never known how to fight. They are great at bribing and manipulating financial dependence.


              Suddenly.
              The war with Japan, its capitalization means - the inability to fight ...
              The war in Korea, when Kim Il Sung occupied 90% of the territory of South Korea - and then he was very quickly returned to the stall ...
              Complete destruction of Iraq ... Complete total. Without any bribery.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 2 December 2020 22: 15
                +2
                Japan surrender .. stop stop ... well, what is the main factor.? the war in Korea .. there is 50-50 ... well, Iraq .. the second war ... well, the last grandmother knows the bought war ... who after it led the so-called troops of the so-called ISIS.? what money ... that's the answer
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 3 December 2020 09: 37
                  -3
                  Japan surrender .. stop stop ... well, what is the main factor.?

                  The complete destruction of the Japanese defensive perimeter in the Pacific Ocean, the death of the entire fleet, the Yankees deprive Japan of all resources and colonies in Indochina and oil from the Philippines. They capture Okinawa and approach the metropolis, the destruction of the country's infrastructure begins from the air.

                  The defeat was completed by two nuclear bombings (August 6 and 9) and simultaneously (August 9) a diplomatic note on the entry of the USSR into the war. The surrender was announced on August 14.

                  What influenced the decision to withdraw from the war - Hiroshima or the collapse of the last hope for the neutrality of the USSR, in which resources on the continent were preserved, this issue is interpreted by each side and its own benefit.

                  The main fact is that the Japanese empire was defeated long before 1945. 1944 - in fact, the surviving forces were beaten, with the absolute technical superiority of the US Armed Forces. The ratio of military losses during the war is 1: 9, not in favor of Japan
              2. Mwg
                Mwg 3 December 2020 09: 31
                +4
                The reason for Japan's defeat is the USSR's entry into hostilities, the reason for Kim Il Sung's consent to establish the border along the 39th parallel is the balance of the USSR's interests in that region, the reason for Iraq's loss is bribery of its elite, incl. senior command staff. Where the US does not find someone to bribe, it either stalls (Afghanistan) or is afraid to attack (Iran).
                And how the Americans are fighting, we saw in Operation Overlord (landing in Normandy), battles with Japan, in the Vietnam War, in actions in the same Mogadishu.
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 48
                  -2
                  "The reason for Japan's defeat is the entry into the hostilities of the USSR" - Propaganda by propaganda, but the history must be known. The entry into the war of the USSR accelerated the fall of Japan, but its failure was already obvious.
              3. Selevc
                Selevc 3 December 2020 11: 18
                +2
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Complete destruction of Iraq ... Complete total. Without any bribery.

                Add to this the complete failure of the United States in Afghanistan !!! The fact of negotiations of the 1st state of the planet with religious fanatics is the recognition of the United States in its complete powerlessness before the Taliban !!!
                1. Sergey Sfiedu
                  Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 50
                  -2
                  I, too, would gloat over the Yankees, if not for the complete failure of the USSR in Afghanistan.
          2. Poseidon
            Poseidon 2 December 2020 18: 46
            -7
            Quote: Clever man
            The main thing is, do not forget about the result of the NATO operation)))

            Well, the Russians, like the Serbs, remembered this shame and betrayal for a long time .. So don't worry, no one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.! soldier
            Everything is still ahead, Milosevic, before his death he left us a message in "court" .. (rest in peace to him, who was the first to take the blow of "democracy")
          3. Vesista
            Vesista 10 December 2020 02: 40
            0
            Sini nato toљko with visoti dare to do what he did! He did not dare on earth because he knew that this was what awaited him in Serbia, but several times more!
    4. mole
      mole 2 December 2020 20: 12
      -7
      Quote: Poseidon
      Now some will explain to everyone that these are fakes and this cannot be ...)))

      I explain: - this is a fake and this cannot be, well, it cannot be !!!!
      In general, I think that ours worked there, maybe 125, or maybe - what's new !? For that period. No wonder the F117 was immediately removed from service !?
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 2 December 2020 22: 52
        +1
        Yeah right away, after 9 years and after two wars, where they were used with such intensity that half of the resource was killed
    5. qQQQ
      qQQQ 3 December 2020 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: Poseidon
      Now some will explain to everyone that these are fakes and this cannot be ...)))

      The only thing I can hardly believe is that an aircraft with a damaged tail unit, especially such an iron, was able to refuel in the air.
    6. zenion
      zenion 3 December 2020 21: 13
      0
      Poseidon. It’s like there’s no beer, that it’s undercooked vodka.
  2. zwlad
    zwlad 2 December 2020 16: 13
    -1
    Today is the day of removing invisibility. F-35s were being tracked in Syria, and then there was news of three downed F-117s.
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 December 2020 16: 14
    -1
    Shot down and knocked out are somewhat different concepts.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 2 December 2020 16: 18
      -1
      generally agree. but that plane was sort of written off. so the fact of the destruction of the plane was (if the news is not a duck).
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 2 December 2020 16: 29
        +5
        Quote: Dodikson
        generally agree. but that plane was sort of written off. so the fact of the destruction of the plane was (if the news is not a duck).

        At first, he was transferred to the category of being under repair, where he could have been for years, after which, due to the service life, and so on, he was removed from the Air Force and only then written off. They worked on this topic of disguising losses in Korea. When, according to the Air Force, less than 100 aircraft were lost in battles, some were under repair. part of it was damaged during landings, etc., but all this survival with concealment of losses was clearly reset by the US Air Force rescue service, whose representative said at some anniversary that only in the first year of the war, the rescue service from behind the front line was thousands of crew members of downed aircraft. hi laughing good
        1. Fat
          Fat 2 December 2020 22: 38
          +1
          They worked on this topic of disguising losses in Korea ...

          In Korea? Yusnavi conducted such a practice during World War II to hide the effectiveness of kamikaze attacks.
  4. KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 2 December 2020 16: 15
    +2
    Now they will swoop in and say that f35 and f22 are completely invisible, but otherwise not like the 117th :) and this is s-125 ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 2 December 2020 17: 07
      +6
      Quote: KreAtiF
      Now they will swoop in and say that f35 and f22 are completely invisible, but otherwise not like the 117th :) and this is s-125 ...

      At that time, advertising was simply colossal. It was presented as not confusing at all.
      1. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 17: 54
        -2
        Quote: APASUS
        At that time, advertising was simply colossal. It was presented as not confusing at all.

        I remember it was always emphasized in US films, as if we are invulnerable ..
        And how did you brag about AUGmi? Now something has become quiet .. laughing
        They need to be taught courtesy and respect, which Russia has been trying to promote in recent years .. And the Serbs have begun this process!
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 2 December 2020 18: 11
          -1
          AUG's century is not long. Battleships were replaced by AUGs, and now it's time for anti-ship missiles
          1. Avior
            Avior 3 December 2020 23: 49
            -1
            The golden age of the RCC began in October 1967 and ended in October 1973.
            But modern AUGs still hold on, no one drowned even once.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 4 December 2020 03: 18
              -1
              Modern Augs have never fought a worthy opponent.
              1. Avior
                Avior 4 December 2020 03: 33
                -2
                RCC fought. Lost.
                And AUG has no worthy opponent. Except perhaps another AUG
                smile
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 December 2020 17: 56
        -3
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: KreAtiF
        Now they will swoop in and say that f35 and f22 are completely invisible, but otherwise not like the 117th :) and this is s-125 ...

        At that time, advertising was simply colossal. It was presented as not confusing at all.

        yes Yes! And so it was, and it was touted as the benchmark for safe aircraft in the most difficult missions. Straight heavenly punishment lol laughing I was in the West then. I saw everything that happened with my own eyes.
  5. pereselenec
    pereselenec 2 December 2020 16: 21
    -3
    They wrote prophetically in the net:

    and then came the most epic victory in Serbian history - the destruction of the stealth. This success made the Serbs so happy that they did not notice after it how they pissed away all the air defense, air force and lost the war. Until now, each of them rolls for him, telling burping, hiccupping and laughing that they know with an accuracy of one hundred percent that "stealth" was hit by his son-in-law, brother-in-law, lover, brother, matchmaker, or mother-in-law. You can also read on pro-Serb Internet resources that on the same day in the skies over Yugoslavia a couple of stealth aircraft, a hundred attack aircraft and even Clinton's private plane were shot down. Years go by, and the number of "shot down" NATO vultures only increases, and will soon reach a million
    laughing
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 2 December 2020 16: 39
      +8
      Quote: pereselenec
      and then the most epic victory in the history of Serbia happened -

      Yes, rather an epic victory for NATO. Considering that at the time of the attack on Serbia, only at the airbase in Italy, NATO had more aircraft than in the entire history of Serbia. And this NATO, after a month of unpunished bombing, appointed what to do next, the ground operation simply strained the gluteal muscles of the NATO generals very much. But they were lucky the traitors at the helm merged Serbia.
  6. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 December 2020 16: 21
    +9
    Well hit and hit. The planes completed their task, successfully bombed the designated target.
    The task of the air defense is not to shoot down the plane, but not to allow the task to be completed (we were taught this way).
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 December 2020 16: 25
    +2
    Honestly, that f117, that f35 are not among the beautiful planes, on the contrary, they have such karma, probably to scare off crows with their appearance. Only, the appearance will not scare off an anti-aircraft missile or a cannon burst from them. ..
  8. Al Asad
    Al Asad 2 December 2020 16: 25
    +8
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Shot down and knocked out are somewhat different concepts.

    What is more interesting here is that there was more than one case of discovery, and it was not accidental.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 2 December 2020 20: 56
      -2
      I don't remember from memory, but they sucked that case a lot - this bomber appeared at the same time, the clock was checked against it. what that tube ancient radar saw him which was considered not suitable. and something with the weather conditions, rain, low clouds ... well, such a confluence of factors
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 December 2020 16: 25
    +7
    One was lost, three were lost ... The set goal was achieved and the remnants of Yugoslavia were finished off, the Balkans were under the complete control of the West. Remnants of Serbia in a landlocked hostile ring. However, even with these remnants, they are actively working to Westernize them ... And so yes - a reason for pride. And I’m not making jokes, they resisted as best they could, only Russia didn’t come .. Damn EBN
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 2 December 2020 16: 30
      0
      The story develops in a spiral. I think those who are now less than fifty will find another round.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 2 December 2020 16: 32
        0
        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
        The story develops in a spiral. I think those who are now less than fifty will find another round.

        We'll see . By your logic, I have to catch it.
    2. Imobile
      Imobile 2 December 2020 16: 35
      -1
      I spoke with a Serb, there, the standard of living has increased not once, but dozens of times... In general, they treat Russia normally, they treat the United States badly, but the vector of development suits them
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 2 December 2020 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      only Russia didn't come ..

      I have already come once ... the result: 18 million killed in the civil war ... 4-6 million homeless children whose parents were killed by white / red .... thanks, but no!
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 December 2020 16: 36
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      One was lost, three were lost ... The set goal was achieved and the remnants of Yugoslavia were finished off, the Balkans were under the complete control of the West. Remnants of Serbia in a landlocked hostile ring. However, even with these remnants, they are actively working to Westernize them ... And so yes - a reason for pride. And I’m not making jokes, they resisted as best they could, only Russia didn’t come .. Damn EBN

      Jackals will devour.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 December 2020 16: 28
    -3
    I don’t know the source, but 17 years ago I heard a story that one F35 was stolen and that they managed to drive it to one country, which I don’t know, but there were rumors that there were Chinese and Israelis among the recipients of it. ..
  11. agoran
    agoran 2 December 2020 16: 30
    0
    And where was it written that they successfully bombed?
    EMNIP, one was caught in the microwave and had to work on the radar.
    Retired US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie Heinlein, isn't that the guy who got his face cleaned up in a cafe in Serbia?
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 December 2020 23: 54
      -1
      Poor microwave, has been wandering on the Internet for twenty :)))
  12. BAI
    BAI 2 December 2020 16: 33
    +3
    another American stealth was shot down, which lost part of the tail unit, miraculously managed to reach the base and was taken out of service.

    When will the problems with the Russian language end? If the plane is shot down, then it fell. If he reached the base and sat down, albeit in an emergency, he was damaged, but not knocked down.
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 16: 44
      +3
      Let's just say one confirmed.
      The second, shot down, fell, the PSS pilot was evacuated.
      The third one sat down with damage on an alternate airfield.
      1. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 17: 16
        -2
        Quote: agoran
        Let's just say one confirmed.
        The second, shot down, fell, the PSS pilot was evacuated.
        The third one sat down with damage on an alternate airfield.

        Still not a bad result for Serbian anti-aircraft gunners ..! Especially if you take into account the cost of these "invisible" hundreds of millions of dollars and the loss of prestige, there is an estimate for trillions hi Now, again, "advertising goes" every 10 times more expensive than "invulnerable" .. Efok. wink
      2. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 2 December 2020 18: 05
        0
        "The second shot down fell" - where, when, who saw? How many fairy tales you can entertain yourself.
  13. Poseidon
    Poseidon 2 December 2020 16: 47
    -1
    Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible.
    - then the whole world heard the mocking phrase of the Serbian military.

    And I did not know this (or rather our media, somehow kept silent for fear of offending "friend Bill"))))
    Well done all the same Serbs, they knew that they were doomed and resisted to the last ..
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 16: 55
      +4
      You are apparently a young man.
      There was a report on RossSmi with the head of the Serbian air defense, everything was told about how a stupid minke was pulled on the microwave.
      1. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 17: 10
        0
        Quote: agoran
        You are apparently a young man.
        There was a report on RossSmi with the head of the Serbian air defense, everything was told about how a stupid minke was pulled on the microwave.

        No, in years I already remember about the microwave and I remember very well about the throw of our paratroopers (Russia then seemed to rise, it seemed to start, but alas)
        Just agree, when they began to blatantly bombard Yugoslavia, it was a shame of Russia and the cowardice of the authorities with a drunken ebn. And this was somehow hushed up and now including .. This is a shameful page in the history of Russia .. hi
        1. agoran
          agoran 2 December 2020 17: 15
          +3
          I agree.
          But my colleagues left for Serbia as advisers, fought, and many remained there.
          My health did not work out.
          Which one is an instructor with a stick.
          I have to show you do as I do, not as I say.
      2. Avior
        Avior 3 December 2020 23: 56
        -3
        Looks like they pulled the audience with this crazy story.
        Now bombers will use the kettle to catch.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 2 December 2020 17: 02
      -3
      Quote: Poseidon
      And I did not know this (or rather, our media, somehow kept silent for fear of offending "friend Bill"

      Our media relished this news for a week, as if it were not Serbs, but we shot down the vaunted stealth. And then for a long time periodically recalled in detail.
      Apparently you don't watch TV, so you didn't know. Or watch / read only those media that are afraid of offending "friend"
      1. agoran
        agoran 2 December 2020 17: 09
        +3
        Well, actually the indoor switchgear was made in the USSR, the operators were also trained there.
        There was also a topic about satellite tracking and data transmission to Serbs, without the permission of the EBN.
      2. Poseidon
        Poseidon 2 December 2020 17: 21
        -1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Our media relished this news for a week, as if not Serbs, but we shot down the vaunted stealth

        Well, our outdated air defense systems, and oh, how interesting!
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And then for a long time periodically recalled in detail.
        Apparently you don't watch TV, so you didn't know.

        Yes, I watch TV (fortunately, there are 56 channels, but there is nothing to watch)))) Maybe I missed it, I'll find it in the internet Thank you friend hi
  14. askort154
    askort154 2 December 2020 16: 57
    -1
    "Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible"

    I express my deep sympathy to the Israeli colleagues at VO! Today is the day
    humiliating articles for your beloved "stealth". I have to grit my teeth, silently - just minus. Tomorrow it will already pass. yes
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 2 December 2020 18: 10
      +1
      Hmm. If memory serves, he went straight to the position of the air defense missile system and was escorted and shot down almost at the minimum missile launch range - at a greater distance the plane periodically appeared on the screen, but was not taken to escort. Shitty American intelligence worked, they did not find the position of the air defense system - no matter what stealth you are, at a distance of a couple of tens of kilometers. you will be spotted by anyone.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 December 2020 23: 58
        -1
        They moved from place to place and did not shine - they fired from ambushes.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 2 December 2020 19: 21
      +1
      Lost one stealth - destroyed the country. Much cause for joy!
  15. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 2 December 2020 16: 58
    +4
    I remember there was such a TV show impact force. So they said that the first f117 was shot down in Iraq in 1991.
    1. HB101
      HB101 2 December 2020 19: 23
      +1
      Yugoslavs. BOB
    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 55
      -2
      "They said so" - the grandmothers at the entrance to the benches also say a lot of interesting things.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 4 December 2020 13: 18
        +1
        There they also showed the fragment. And grandmothers and grandfathers sometimes need to be listened to, they have lived and seen a lot.
  16. lkfiou
    lkfiou 2 December 2020 17: 07
    -9
    Now this banana republic can celebrate this event every year as a state holiday, so as not to forget.
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 17: 21
      0
      No, not this disarmed minke euper-duper stealth should celebrate.
      How many whites are there today for free food in the country of whites (figs there, blacks) edfs?
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 32
        -1
        Quote: agoran
        No, not this disarmed minke euper-duper stealth should celebrate.
        How many whites are there today for free food in the country of whites (figs there, blacks) edfs?


        They have an allowance of $ 800 per person, for life ...
        Plus ration cards for another $ 800 ...
        Therefore, a generation of "do-nothing-makers" grew up there ...
        That's not why they go for free food. what they lack for food.
        And therefore. that they do not work in principle and have the opportunity to receive more than just money. but also a grub.
        And all this for free.
        I don’t think that if we had a free food in Russia, then 30 million people would not rush there after her ...

        And what about the unemployed?
        Have you seen the salary of a nanny in kindergarten?
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 December 2020 17: 19
    0
    Quote: Clever man
    Tired of sucking on this story, now they have already found 3 shot down, in a year 5 it will be

    There was talk of one more in Kuwait.
  18. Alien From
    Alien From 2 December 2020 17: 37
    0
    The main thing is that he was really landed)))
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 December 2020 17: 59
    +1
    F117 fully justified its creation, made a bunch of flights on a completely new concept. And the losses were only a small%
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 18: 13
      -1
      Justified by what?
      How many fighters were shot down?
      As our liberals squeal about sawing, so on this misunderstanding they sawed many times more
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 2 December 2020 18: 38
        +3
        How many fighters were shot down?


        And with what fright he should shoot down fighters?
        This is a strike aircraft; it has neither radar nor weapons for air combat.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 December 2020 20: 06
          +1
          And he applied new tactics ... and ran the campaign in Iraq and Yugoslavia. And for the first time he used JDAM on a large scale .... and the shooting down was the negligence of the Americans themselves.
  20. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2020 18: 01
    +7
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Do you believe yourself?)) Hardly. Very much ...
    In general, it was the INVISIBLE aircraft that the American military department tried to build. It was invisibility, albeit in the radio range, that was their goal, and this is what they always achieved. The fact that we had to go over to the term "inconspicuous" is a sign of the shameful failure of the entire complex of programs in this regard (and of course a sign of the enormous success of Soviet intelligence, which managed to push this crazy idea into American military heads).
    The Pentagon has completely spent trillions of dollars on all these programs, trying to achieve not stealth, but full invisibility in the radio range, and all that it has achieved is the rapid evolution of radio detection equipment. Which are immeasurably cheaper in development and in production.
    One cannot help but laugh at this whole situation. In my opinion, our radio engineer who "fled to the USA" is still alive and continues to diligently fool American heads, and they all pay him for it! Will die (grandfather is already old), it would be worth it to openly reward. I hope that the Hero of the Soviet Union was already assigned to him in due time. Deserved ...

    You write nonsense, Mikhail. All work on "stealth" began with the publication of our scientist, which spoke about the stealth of such aircraft. It is impossible to create an airplane that is not visible in some particular range.
    That is, if you believe your promise that we "threw" this grandiose misinformation on them and this is a huge success of Soviet intelligence, then how can you call our creation of the same SU-57, which is also inconspicuous? How then to understand the creation of ships based on this principle? Trampling on your own rake?
    Let's be honest with ourselves, at least. We initially missed this "topic". As a result, our adversary now has the fourth generation of these aircraft and their total number exceeds several hundred, and we are all trying to make our first aircraft using stealth technology - the SU-57
    And so that "experts" do not say there, but these machines are detected at ranges significantly less than their "non-stealth" counterparts
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 18: 18
      -1
      On the F-35, even according to their own experts, there are about 300 flaws.
      Tell you an old joke about the MiG-21?
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 19: 57
        -2
        MiG-21s were also refined throughout his career, but he never received decent radars and missiles in the USSR.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 3 December 2020 09: 08
      -1
      The man talks about American attempts to create an airplane completely invisible to radars. Not about stealth, namely invisibility.
  21. nobody75
    nobody75 2 December 2020 18: 09
    +1
    How will f 117 be invisible to C 125? Due to the fact that the complex is low-altitude, it has two antenna systems and an SDC with interference suppression. The "unique" shape of f 117 will not help him much, since in fact the radar is bistatic.
    Sincerely
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 3 December 2020 20: 01
      -2
      As if not on this site was the story of the officer who shot down the F-117. Contrary to your words - the radar of the S-125 complex did not see this target well, they were able to confidently detect it and take it for escort only at a minimum distance.
    2. Avior
      Avior 3 December 2020 20: 54
      0
      It is unlikely that CHP-125 can be attributed to biostatic
      There are three antennas, but each of them works by itself and is responsible only for its part
      UV-10 for target search, after finding it stops and works only to determine the range.
      Further, two UV-11s operate in two different planes in turn, UV-12 is used to transmit control commands to the rocket.
      This is the Air Defense Bulletin describing the operation of the missile guidance station.

      http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm

      That is, the work of all antennas does not intersect, each works in a structured way with its own part of the tasks.
      And, most importantly, they are all in one place, so there can be no talk of any bistatic principle.
      hi
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 3 December 2020 22: 15
        0
        The operation of antennas in practice is crossed by side lobes. One of them, by the way, looks at the ground.
        And SDS allows you to filter out the interference signal F117 reflected "into the ground". The complex itself was designed to work on targets with elevation coordinates of the order of 0. So the Americans, with their complex interfering form, deceived themselves. It was after the Yugoslav victory that work began on bistatic detection radars. With respect
  22. Hermit21
    Hermit21 2 December 2020 18: 19
    +1
    The second hit was not such a secret.
    1. agoran
      agoran 2 December 2020 18: 26
      0
      Well, here we must pay tribute, the PSS s worked quickly, EMNIP, there was a very steep slope.
  23. Takashi
    Takashi 2 December 2020 18: 24
    0
    Sorry, 21 years have already passed. And all Russian propagandists cannot get off the needle ...
    how much news can be exaggerated, which, from a technical point of view, has long been taken apart.
    and about the ranges, and about how the Americans used (worked out), and the fact that the Serbs lost anyway ...
  24. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 2 December 2020 20: 28
    0
    What is the essence of the article?
    Yugoslavia no more? No!
    Has the whole country been bombed? Yes!
    Have the troops surrendered? Yes!
    Milosevic, have they surrendered? Yes!

    Why are you writing nonsense in hindsight?
    No, you are nobody and there is no way to call you!

    You were rolled out like a hot water bottle!
    And no Slavic brotherhood helped anyone.
    Then they poked at us - and we wiped off.
    They tried to seize Pristina - so a month later ours were escorted out of there.
    Yes ...
    I write offensive things - but this is reality!
    This is the truth of the situation!
    That is exactly what happened and that is exactly what happened in the end!

    And the one who does not want to realize this - in his eyes all the dew of God ...
  25. Petio
    Petio 2 December 2020 20: 41
    +1
    Then, already in May 1999, there was a stat in Awiation Week in which they wrote about the second F-117 which was damaged by Serbs.
  26. Constanty
    Constanty 2 December 2020 21: 05
    0
    Later, rumors began to appear that on April 30, another American stealth was shot down, which lost part of the tail unit, miraculously managed to reach the base and was decommissioned.


    If he managed to reach the base, he is not knocked down and at best he is damaged. We are talking about the stealth aircraft for 16 years in operation of the first generation - when the F-117 was shot down (more due to human error than due to technology), it was already in the F-22 or B-2 line - the latter was also "Allegedly" shot down the Yugoslav air defense.
  27. Mikhail Zakharov
    Mikhail Zakharov 2 December 2020 21: 09
    -1
    it's fakes, but not because it's impossible to shoot them down, but because it's fake for the sake of fake
  28. Old26
    Old26 3 December 2020 00: 01
    +3
    Quote: figvam
    What does the whole of Yugoslavia have to do with it when I talk about a specific case of hiding the fact of the loss of a publicized and invulnerable plane, about another American lie about an invisible plane, and not about the results of the NATO war against Serbia.

    You are wrong, Sergei. In the special literature (in particular in the "Bulletin of the Air Defense", EMNIP No. 8 or 9 for 1999) there was an article on and about "stealth aircraft". It was stated that one was shot down (the number, name and name of the pilot were indicated), and the second was damaged, but made it to its airbase (the aircraft number, rank and surname of the pilot were also indicated). Moreover, the article said that according to unverified data (there is a short 7-8 second video), one plane was lost in the Persian Gulf zone, because for several seconds they showed debris that can be identified as the wreckage of the F-117.
    The fact that it passed by journalists in the open press at that time is a problem for journalists.
    Besides. No one has ever called him invulnerable, let alone "invisible". This is a journalist trend that the more effective the better. Such vehicles were always called inconspicuous and it was always explained that they are perfectly visible on radars, only at a much shorter distance. For example, if an ordinary plane can be detected at a distance of 400 km, then "stealth" - only for example from 100. This means that it will be detected 25 minutes later ...

    Quote: figvam
    Quote: SovAr238A
    There are facts.

    What are the facts? American! You make me laugh.

    The thing is that if you have not read our sources, this does not mean that ours did not write it. I will repeat. The journal "Bulletin of Air Defense" numbers about 8 or 9 for 1999.
    Around 1995, three issues of this magazine had an article about the first Gulf War and hard-hitting conclusions ...

    Quote: Clever man
    Tired of sucking on this story, now they have already found 3 shot down, in a year 5 it will be

    And by 2024 (25 years from the date of this event) I think the number of downed F-117s will increase to 10 or 15 laughing

    Quote: Mole
    I explain: - this is a fake and this cannot be, well, it cannot be !!!!
    In general, I think that ours worked there, maybe 125, or maybe - what's new !? For that period. No wonder the F117 was immediately removed from service !?

    After 9 years - is it right away? Interesting, comrade, you have a calculus system

    Quote: APASUS
    At that time, advertising was simply colossal. It was presented as not confusing at all.

    Well, this is nothing like that. advertising has always come first. Guess, three times three systems of weapons, which are now presented as "indestructible"

    Quote: Thrifty
    I don’t know the source, but 17 years ago I heard a story that one F35 was stolen and that they managed to drive it to one country, which I don’t know, but there were rumors that there were Chinese and Israelis among the recipients of it. ..

    This source is called "One Granny Said". His first flight was on December 16, 2006, that is, almost 14 years ago. And they hijacked him already 17 years ago. Operation for educational purposes began in 202. Having read from that time on, the fact of theft could be, albeit with almost zero probability. There is a lot to hear now

    Quote: SovAr238A
    And what about the unemployed?
    Have you seen the salary of a nanny in kindergarten?

    Why are there unemployed. I get quite a decent salary for the city, about 1,5 times the city average (of course, not in the banking sector). And then it does not reach $ 800

    Quote: agoran
    Justified by what?
    How many fighters were shot down?
    As our liberals squeal about sawing, so on this misunderstanding they sawed many times more

    The fact that the aircraft was assigned a "fighter" index does not mean that it is a fighter. The aircraft was positioned as single-seat tactical subsonic stealth strike aircraft designed for covert penetration through the enemy's air defense system and attacks of strategically important ground-based military infrastructure (missile bases, airfields, control and communications centers, etc.).

    Quote: Petio
    Then, already in May 1999, there was a stat in Awiation Week in which they wrote about the second F-117 which was damaged by Serbs.

    Don't accidentally remember the issue of the magazine, comrade. Otherwise, I have this magazine in electronic form (you just need to see if it's 1999 or not)
  29. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 3 December 2020 06: 23
    0
    Excuse me, but how can a plane without a tail unit first refuel, and then still reach the airfield ???
  30. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 3 December 2020 07: 07
    -4
    And no one was forced to think about how the second damaged despicable "iron" without a part of the tail unit SMOG to refuel in the air, and even return to the basing point? After all, he, in principle, cannot fly and does THIS at the expense of onboard software (glory to the software and its compilation fellow because the software and its UPGRADE rules more and more in terms of the efficiency of any hardware). Hurray-patriots ... you at least sometimes turn on your brains and try to study the current materiel of the issue and the available available facts. Let's take a look at the facts available to begin with. The first side was shot down by the Yugoslavs sitting in an ambush position, and before that they had been tracking the time of the irons raids for more than one day + they used a French thermal imager in the guidance system to defeat the first iron (of course RESPECT to the combat crew of the air defense system). And read the second one ... https://topwar.ru/15910-f-117a-stels-ot-panamy-do-yugoslavii.html you may have something in terms of the effectiveness of this machine to the number of combat missions performed by them. They shot down ONE irrevocably in this post, the second managed to return without a part of the tail ..., and in the remainder we have screams of the level that almost all of Yugoslavia is strewn with these shot down invisibles MINIMUM. In the remainder, we see that this flying misunderstanding tore off the air defenses of both Iraq and Yugoslavia (well, or min made irreparable holes in the radar field of these former countries). IRON is, but they are NOT. hi
  31. Selevc
    Selevc 3 December 2020 11: 33
    +1
    The United States has always lied about both its army and its weapons - but it used to lie and brag about it. .. And now they just lie !!!
    They lie not because they like to lie - systemic lies are such a modern political technology ... In the media, the facts of the rival countries are distorted in the negative direction and the facts of their own for the better. Such a distorting mirror of the modern world media space works the way its owners need it.

    As one of the clearest examples of deliberate lies in the media, I can cite one of the Discovery programs - I don't remember exactly the name, but like "10 best American weapons ...". So in this very top on the 6th place was an aircraft with a laser installation on board which can shoot down enemy planes and missiles ...)))))))))))))))) Then the truth at the end of the video modestly says that this project is only under development !!! And it has been at the development stage for 50 years already - since the 70s of the last century !!! And while laser installations of the required power in terms of size imagine a huge factory workshop and weigh hundreds of tons !!! Thus, the Americans have already recorded a nonexistent weapon in their technical victories !!! And so in everything and everywhere !!!

    America always lies to everyone: And about the Lunar missions, and about star wars \, and about the invincible Stealth and a lot more about that - you just have to take an interest in a specific topic in more detail !!!
  32. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 December 2020 12: 10
    -2
    Interestingly, 2 of the 3 wounded returned to base. Either the aircraft are very strong, or the detonation of the warheads was at a great distance. If the latter, I wonder why: stealth, or, in principle, oblique air defense systems?
  33. fif21
    fif21 3 December 2020 16: 30
    0
    The adversary did not know that the old Soviet tube radars operate in a different frequency range request I paid for it! hi
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 December 2020 20: 22
      -1
      With a warm tube sound :)))
  34. Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 3 December 2020 17: 18
    +1
    The fact of the loss was. The article is mostly anecdote.
  35. Simon
    Simon 3 December 2020 17: 43
    +1
    For how much pride and secrecy there was, at the expense of this aircraft, and the Serbs have completely "lowered" them. laughing
  36. Avior
    Avior 3 December 2020 20: 21
    0
    Ndaaa.
    The bombing lasted 80 days
    This F-117 was shot down on the third day of bombing.
    After that, for 75 days, not a single one was shot down, which clearly indicates the random nature of the incident with the shot down.
    Anecdotes from the article do not count - they are known by the piece, by numbers, and not faceless, as in the article.
    Talking about such things is not serious without specific numbers and evidence.
    And even then according to the article - one landed for sure, the fate of the second "presumably".
    20 years have passed, "presumably" is not serious.
  37. Egg
    Egg 4 December 2020 09: 47
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    Quote: Selevc
    Add to this the total US failure in Afghanistan !!

    I disagree. The United States came to Afghanistan to make money, and they do it, on drugs. After the arrival of ping @ owls in Afghanistan, drug traffic has increased significantly.
    The United States came to Syria to make money, and they do it, on oil from the Isis or any gang that needs to sell oil somewhere and get money. For this, they squeezed out all oil-bearing regions and do not let anyone there.
    All this money unaccounted for by anyone, controlled only by the CIA, for which you do not need to account to anyone and which can be used as you like.
    So where did the United States lose?
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 4 December 2020 11: 19
      +1
      They have lost their image. And as our prisoners say - Good pont, more expensive than money! The image losses of the United States are apocaleptic. Not that the world stopped believing them, the closest allies do not believe them. And all trade is built on trust and obligations. In general, the general impression is that the United States has stopped thinking on perspective.Urvat.Here and now.And then dump.If it is more or less clear with our "elites" where, then where is America going to blame? To the moon? To Mars? Money expands opportunities, but not everything is solved
  38. shinobi
    shinobi 4 December 2020 11: 06
    0
    Duck, as it were, this has long been an open secret. For the decimeter range, there are no invisibles. Roughly speaking, these are all over-the-horizon stations for early detection and target designation. Yes, in fact, the stealths themselves are invisible only for the seeker of air-to-air missiles and aviation radars of the microwave range of the first generation For radars with AFAR, they are not a problem. For modern air defense systems, it is not a problem to overwhelm the invisible, the main thing is that the head works and the arms grow from the right place. Actually, the only way to break through a modern layered air defense is to overload. Which is very, very expensive. Kamikaze drones are not a panacea. An antidote has already been found against them, the question is in sending to the army.