Turkish Defense Ministry announced the start of the work of the Joint Russian-Turkish Center in Karabakh

The Turkish Ministry of Defense is distributing a statement that negotiations with representatives of the military department of the Russian Federation on the creation of a Joint Center in Karabakh have been completed. A corresponding agreement on the military presence has been signed. It should be recalled that earlier the President of Turkey and the Foreign Minister of this state have repeatedly stated that the Turkish military will appear in the region and that it will be a question of "an equal Russian-Turkish mission."

The reports of the Turkish military department say that activities have already begun within the framework of the Joint Center in Karabakh.

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said that preliminary agreements on the creation of such a center were reached with Sergei Shoigu on November 11 - the next day after the start of the ceasefire.

Russian officials have long said that the presence of the Turkish military is not provided for by the trilateral agreement (Armenia-Azerbaijan-Russia). In response, the Turks announced a new agreement.

The Russian side does not comment on Turkish messages at the moment.

At the same time, a statement appeared on the official page of the Turkish Ministry of Defense that the detachments of Turkish sappers have already arrived in Azerbaijan and have begun to assist the Azerbaijani military in demining the territories that have come under Baku control. The press service of the Turkish military department once again emphasizes that we are talking about the regions "under Armenian occupation." It is indicated that the Joint Center has already begun its work.

The number of Turkish military personnel who will be in Karabakh is not reported at the moment, as well as where exactly the headquarters of the Joint Center will be located.

Against this backdrop, the President of Azerbaijan made a proposal to create a corridor between the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic and the rest of Azerbaijan. Recall that such a clause was originally present in the trilateral agreement.

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[forty-eighth]

Turks are officially in the Caucasus.

[credo]

Quote: forty-eighth

Turks are officially in the Caucasus.

Yes, for a long time, especially if you look at the Adjara region in Georgia.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: credo

Adjara region

There are already more mosques there than in Istanbul ...

[alexmach]

Oh .. let the proud sons of the Georgian people have a headache about that.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Quote: alexmach

Oh .. let the proud sons of the Georgian people have a headache about that.

Hello !
So the Armenians in a nightmare could not imagine two months ago that Turkish military units would freely walk around Shusha!

[alexmach]

So with Adjara there, it seems, everything was clear for a long time. True, they say that at one time Saakashvili before the 08.08.08 war successfully "brought constitutional order" in Adjara. I wonder what the situation is now and would not Erdogan want to add such a tidbit? I'm afraid the truth is that the United States will not allow him for some time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

Yes, for a long time, especially if you look at the Adjara region in Georgia.

About 200 ethnic Turks and about 000 Azerbaijanis live in Georgia. There are 700 schools and 000 mosques in the country.

[pipetro]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: credo

Yes, for a long time, especially if you look at the Adjara region in Georgia.

About 200 ethnic Turks and about 000 Azerbaijanis live in Georgia. There are 700 schools and 000 mosques in the country.

And how many Russians live there have data? Or is it not interesting to anyone?

[alexmach]

Not at all, as I understand it. Russians from Georgia were mostly expelled in the 90s

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Russians from Georgia were mostly expelled in the 90s

But on the other hand, a holy place is never empty, and, as the Georgian media themselves write, Azerbaijanis and Turks come, and Georgians leave Baku with the same speed. There are now only 4 schools working there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Russians from Georgia were mostly expelled in the 90s

Maybe you know how many Georgians there were then in Russia. I think it's under a million.

[Interlocutor]

Or is it not interesting to anyone?

Believe it ... Not interesting ... Absolutely.

[iouris]

USA and NATO too. From here the Swedes will threaten us.

[vlad.baryatinsky]

Hello !
They have been there officially since March 1995.

Quote: forty-eighth

Turks officially in the Caucasus

[Victor_B]

Russian officials have long said that the presence of the Turkish military is not provided for by the trilateral agreement (Armenia-Azerbaijan-Russia).

The Turks put pressure on Putin ...
Or maybe, on the contrary, they sold the service at a high price?
Well, for example, they took "greyhound puppies"?
Maybe they got a profitable exchange.

[Uncle lee]

Ankara is transferring troops to the border with Armenia. Despite the end of the armed conflict in Karabakh, the situation in the region remains explosive and the invasion of Turkish military personnel into the territory of a neighboring state is not ruled out. Avia.pro writes about it.
According to the newspaper, several thousand Turkish servicemen, as well as offensive weapons, including multiple launch rocket systems and tanks, have already been deployed to the border with Armenia. It is reported by Rambler.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Ankara is transferring troops to the border with Armenia. Despite the end of the armed conflict in Karabakh, the situation in the region remains explosive and the invasion of Turkish military personnel into the territory of a neighboring state is not ruled out. Avia.pro writes about it.
According to the newspaper, several thousand Turkish servicemen, as well as offensive weapons, including multiple launch rocket systems and tanks, have already been deployed to the border with Armenia. It is reported by Rambler.

And 33 peacekeeping nuclear bombs, on 10 submarines.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Senka Mad

on 10 submarines.

No, on donkeys

[Fungus]

In the sense put the squeeze on Putin? Azeibarjan invited Turkish sappers to clear the area. And here Putin)

[Interlocutor]

The Turks put pressure on Putin ...
Or maybe, on the contrary, they sold the service at a high price?
Well, for example, they took "greyhound puppies"?
Maybe they got a profitable exchange.

Are the Turks standing opposite or with our peacekeepers in the same row?
Or is it important for you that someone would write something in an article?

[Woodman]

Russian officials have long said that the presence of the Turkish military is not provided for by the trilateral agreement (Armenia-Azerbaijan-Russia).

The Turkish Ministry of Defense is distributing a statement that negotiations with representatives of the military department of the Russian Federation on the creation of a Joint Center in Karabakh have been completed.

The "Joint Center" is observers, not army units.

detachments of Turkish sappers have already arrived in Azerbaijan

The sappers arrived in Azerbaijan, and not in the part of Karabakh that is under the control of the Russian peacekeepers.
I don't know who the author is, but he mixed everything in one heap.

[Volodin]

Quote: Lesovik

The "Joint Center" is observers, not army units.

Evolution of the comments of deniers of the Turkish military presence:
1. Erdogan's troops will not be in Azerbaijan
2. Erdogan's troops will never be in Karabakh.
3. Erdogan's troops will be, but not in the part controlled by the Russian peacekeepers.
4. These are not Erdogan's troops, but observers.

What else will they come up with so as not to see the obvious ...

[Woodman]

Quote: Volodin

Evolution of the comments of deniers of the Turkish military presence:
1. Erdogan's troops will not be in Azerbaijan
2. Erdogan's troops will never be in Karabakh.
3. Erdogan's troops will be, but not in the part controlled by the Russian peacekeepers.
4. These are not Erdogan's troops, but observers.

Nobody spoke about Erdogan's absence in Azerbaijan, if I remember correctly.
Erdogan's troops in Karabakh were not and are not. In that part of it, which is not under the direct control of Azerbaijan. The part that is under the control of Azerbaijan is in fact Azerbaijan (as they say - see paragraph one)
Point three is just tracing paper from point one.
The Russian authorities were clear about the observers back in November.

Quote: Volodin

What else will they come up with

What else can you think of?

[voyaka uh]

There was a war.
Winners: Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey.
The losers: Armenia and its ally Russia.
The winners naturally have a better position than the losers.

[Fungus]

Why are these losers in Russia? We stopped the war, saved the Armenians from the complete loss of Karabakh, and now we are equipping our bases in Nagorno-Karabakh. No losing. On the contrary.

[viktorR]

Moreover, they allowed Azerbaijan to show what "Armenian Navalny" is. And what did his policy lead to in just two years. They have also shown once again how the Western "allies" even help their staves when it comes to a real war.

[Interlocutor]

And what did his policy lead to in just two years. They also showed once again how the Western "allies" even help their staves when it comes to a real war

The usual educational process is going on ...

[aszzz888]

Fungus (Vitiek)
Today, 12: 13

+4
Why are these losers in Russia? We stopped the war, saved the Armenians from the complete loss of Karabakh, and now we are equipping our bases in Nagorno-Karabakh. No losing. On the contrary.

Victor, ! Again, Jewish slop is flying to Russia! They lie like they breathe!

[Simon schempp]

No losing. On the contrary.

Peremoha

[Seal]

How many times can you repeat.
1. The plane was shot down in preparation for a coup against Erdogan himself.
2. The fact that Aliyev "pleaded guilty for the helicopter" so far only means that Aliyev admitted that our helicopter was shot down by a missile that flew from the territory of Azerbaijan. But the investigation will show exactly who shot down our helicopter. And at the same time he will clarify whether our helicopter was shot down from the territory of Azerbaijan, or all the same, the launch site of MANPADS is the territory of Armenia, but close to the border with Azerbaijan.

[Incvizitor]

Armenia is essentially an American puppet and Russia lost?

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Volodin

What else will they come up with so as not to see the obvious ...

Until there is evidence of the presence of Turks in Karabakh, you can sing as a nightingale as much as you like.

[Interlocutor]

Until there is evidence of the presence of Turks in Karabakh, you can sing as a nightingale as much as you like.

All true.
There are no Turks officially in Karabakh. There are pro-Turkish people. Checkboxes. Dances with a tambourine.
No troops. There are bandyuki. No troops.
Tomorrow it will be possible. Today, only chatter.

[La Peruse]

That's rightly noted. With the invitation of Azerbaijan, the Turks can now calmly stay on its territory. Without entering the demelitarized zone where our peacekeepers are. Moreover, even on tanks. The Turks will still strive for joint patrolling as in Syria, which we absolutely do not need

[Uncle lee]

Quote: La Peruse

even on tanks.

Hello zem People don't want to see the obvious. Where the Turk has climbed - you can't take him out with dust!

[La Peruse]

Hello zem. They don't see the obvious. Aliyev is not a stupid person and with the Turkish presence he creates a counterbalance to Russia. It is clear that there will be no Turks on the dividing line (it’s not Aliyev who doesn’t need it. But the Turks will insist) In general, a good porridge has been brewed there. As if our boys did not have to disentangle it again. My opinion - It was necessary to let the Azerbaijanis finish this gimmick.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lesovik

I don't know who the author is, but he mixed everything in one heap.

As the great poet said, "Horses, people mingled in a heap; ..."

[Simon schempp]

Russian officials have long said that the presence of the Turkish military is not provided for by the trilateral agreement (Armenia-Azerbaijan-Russia).

Wow! Russian officials, it turns out, lied. This has never happened.

[askort154]

The Russian side does not comment on Turkish messages at the moment.

And everything is clear without comment. They climbed into Syria on our "shoulders" and are not going to leave. Russia swallowed, and about the illegality of their presence there, now it is not even
we stutter. Only one Assad is indignant. And in Azerbaijan, on the contrary, Aliyev is only glad that Turkey will be in the Caucasus and the Caspian. And there is an exit to Kazakhstan and all Turkic peoples.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

And in Azeibarjan, on the contrary, Aliyev is only glad that Turkey will be in the Caucasus and the Caspian. And there is an exit to Kazakhstan, and to all Turkic peoples.

I wrote about this a month ago - "minus", and now I see you are already in the black. Let's see what happens in a month.

[Overlock]

Quote: askort154

and about the illegality of their presence there

what is this illegality? Aliyev invited the Turkish Armed Forces to his territory, as Assad invited us to Syria. All to fight terrorism. The goal is good.

[askort154]

Overlock what is this illegality? Aliyev invited the Turkish Armed Forces to his territory, as Assad invited us to Syria. All to fight terrorism. The goal is good.

Big difference. Assad first invited - then Russia "entered", moreover - to fight the terrorists.
And Turkey first entered Azeibarjan (under the guise of joint exercises), and only then, when "an awl appeared out of the sack," Aliyev hurriedly, indistinctly, confused
confessed that he was not against the presence of Turkish military "consultants" in Azerbaijan. And now, Turkey does not hide its plans. She came to Azeibarjan not to fight terrorists, as Russia did to Syria, but of her own free will, knowing that no one would expel her from here. And now, for fun over Russia, he invites her to "participate in something joint", but on their terms.

[Overlock]

Quote: askort154

Big difference. Assad first invited - then Russia "entered", moreover - to fight the terrorists.

agree, these are lyrical nuances.
I doubt that Assad did not use our instructors before the introduction of our troops, I am sure they were there.
The main thing is. that the legitimate president is inviting foreign troops to help.

Quote: askort154

She came to Azeibarjan not to fight terrorists, as Russia did to Syria, but of her own free will, knowing that no one would expel her from here.

I agree. The reputation of the Turkish army in Azerbaijan is much higher than ours, can there be any doubts?

Quote: askort154

And now, for fun over Russia, he invites her to "participate in something joint", but on their terms.

Alas, so. The fact is that before Karabakh there was Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Moldova. The concept of "exclusiveness of Russia's interests in the post-Soviet space", born in the late 90s and followed by Putin for 20 years, has died. Russia invested a lot of money in these and similar countries in exchange for "kisses and promises." In the end, no money, no real achievements.
This was confirmed by Putin himself in his last speech at a meeting of the Valdai Club, where the president demonstrated calmness and relaxation when discussing acute crises in the near abroad.
It became overhead to contain "expensive and unnecessary" partners. The same Lukashenko. Got $ 1.5 billion in Sochi, so what? He does not comply with the agreements with Putin, tries to play multi-vector again, and the image losses are attributed to Russia.
Whatever one may say, but choosing between Azerbaijan and Syria, Putin chose Syria. Why? - A separate question.

[Seal]

Quote: voyaka uh

Winners: Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey.
The losers: Armenia and its ally Russia.

Where did you get the idea that:
1. Russia is an ally of Armenia.
2. Russia has lost.
3. Armenia lost.

[Seal]

Quote: La Peruse

The Turks will still strive for joint patrolling as in Syria, which we absolutely do not need

Why is "absolutely" not necessary? What is the problem ?

[La Peruse]

In the eyes of the Armenians, we betrayed them, and then, in their primordial territories, how they are holding the Turks under the arm ... The Armenians were one of the first terrorists in the USSR, there were explosions in the metro in 77. They have the same Nazianism ... And here is such a reason ... Look at the root of Kozma Prutkov (s)

[Overlock]

Quote: La Peruse

In the eyes of the Armenians we betrayed them

okay you! What clause of the Treaty has Russia not fulfilled?
Putin answered the question: "The military operations are not being conducted on the territory of Armenia." In reality, Moscow is reviewing the usefulness of the CSTO, which is clear why Armenia is beneficial, while the benefits for Russia are not obvious.

[Yves762]

Against this backdrop, the President of Azerbaijan made a proposal to create a corridor between the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic and the rest of Azerbaijan. Recall that such a clause was originally present in the trilateral agreement.

Here are those and the direct route of the Caspian nishtyaks to Turkey looms.
How is it .... "Greetings to Russian" national treasures "and national interests from the diversified Turkish consumer!"
By the way, with the rapprochement of Azerbaijan and Turkey with "tomatoes", the problem will be more likely for Russia ...

What can I say ...

[La Peruse]

So the Turks are already ready to build the railway. Everything is correct, someone just clicks something

[Alexey from Perm]

I wonder which of the two is lying, the Turks or the Russians? I think the Russians ..

[Interlocutor]

I think the Russians ..

Why?

[Alexey from Perm]

Trust is lost in our MOs after their many facts of lies, therefore. This, of course, does not mean that I believe in the Turks more.

[Interlocutor]

Trust is lost in our MOs after their many facts of lies, therefore. This, of course, does not mean that I believe in the Turks more.

It is not entirely clear what you call a lie.
Press release available. There are forces that distort this information always and for any reason.

[Alexey from Perm]

Well, for a start, the Ministry of Defense claimed that the Su25 of the Ukrainian Air Force shot down a Boeing flight MH17 .. the dumbest lie ..
The footage that was shown by Putin to O. Stone, where the American A-10 plane attacks the Barmaleevs on the ground, and Putin presents it as the work of our aviation, and much more)))

[Interlocutor]

Well, for a start, the Ministry of Defense claimed that the Su25 of the Ukrainian Air Force shot down a Boeing flight MH17 .. the dumbest lie.

So who shot down the Boeing?

[Alexey from Perm]

Boeing was shot down from the ground, presumably from Buk .. who shot down the question is still open ..

[Overlock]

and someone didn’t believe it!
Turks in the Caucasus, we are in Syria. Turkey and Russia are in symbiosis, when each side is vital for the other. For Moscow, it is extremely important for Erdogan to continue the line on opposing Turkey to the West, which distracts the West from opposing Russia and leads to "NATO brain death" and increases the importance of Europe's cooperation with Moscow in the Middle East and the Mediterranean.
Turkey does what Russia did in 2015 (Syria) - by invitation, it provides military assistance to the legitimate government of a sovereign state in the fight against separatists on its own territory.
Will Erdogan stop in the Caucasus?

[Seal]

Quote: La Peruse

In the eyes of the Armenians, we betrayed them, and then, in their primordial territories, how they are holding the Turks under the arm ... The Armenians were one of the first terrorists in the USSR, there were explosions in the metro in 77. They have the same Nazianism ... And here is such a reason ... Look at the root of Kozma Prutkov (s)

I hope the FSB has already taken control of potential Armenian terrorists. Moreover, it is easier to do this now than under the USSR. Now "respected people" from among the leadership of the SAR and other leaders of the Armenian diaspora are simply summoned to a place called by the people "where they need to", where they are explained in a language that is understandable to them that in the event of an emergency similar to what happened in Moscow 8 January 1977, they will have to say goodbye to business and other assets in Russia. Forever and ever. And free of charge. Come on and sit on the track. There is always something to sit for. But definitely not for politics.

[Lord of the Sith]

Ehh, don't let the Turks go there, then you can't drive them away with pissing rags.
It is possible as civilian observers such as the OSCE in our Donbas. But only. This is maximum.

[NI1]

It's too late to lament. The Turks are already there.
But the local sofa strategists once again changed their shoes on the fly: "Why shouldn't the Turks be there, but these are observers, not military men, etc." )))
We are waiting for local experts to start calling the Turks "brothers".

[Interlocutor]

Ehh, don't let the Turks go there, then you can't drive them away with pissing rags.

They are not there yet.

[iouris]

And instead of "window to Europe" (for now). 'from this Russian business.