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"We need to decide what to do with these ships": NI spoke about a possible new strategy for the use of stealth destroyers Zumwalt

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In the American media, another material comes out, which questioned the advisability of huge spending on stealth destroyers of the Zumwalt class for the US Navy. It is indicated that these ships are incredibly expensive, but at the same time they are not able to fulfill the tasks that were originally assigned to them.


American reporter Sebastian Roblin expresses his point of view on this problem on the pages of NI.

From the article:

The US Navy command needs to decide what to do with these destroyers, which are in need of numerous improvements.

Recall that initially in the United States, the Zamwalt-class ships were positioned as attack warships in the deep ocean zone. However, after the first such destroyer was put into service with the naval forces, it became clear that the ships were "raw". There were problems with the power plants - the destroyer could lose speed during the transition. They also did not decide on weapons, although it was originally planned to use supersonic missile weapons and an electromagnetic cannon on the Zumwalt. Difficulties arose with the gun. As a result, it was decided that destroyers of this class would become support ships for the landing. In the United States, this raised questions, since the cost of the $ 12 billion program is too high for destroyers to simply become auxiliary ships in the Navy.

From NI Material:

Ultimately, program costs were exceeded by 50 percent. They began to abandon the systems that were originally planned to be used. The number of stealth destroyers that will be in service with the Navy has also been reduced. Now each destroyer costs the budget $ 4,5 billion. But this does not guarantee that the ships will be ready for full-fledged operation even in 2021.

Sebastian Roblin believes that a different application strategy could be chosen for Zumwalt. For example, this is a strategy in which the ship would be used as a "remote spotter", which, with the help of powerful radars, would provide monitoring where other warships cannot.
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  1. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 November 2020 10: 38
    +9
    Let them do a couple dozen more, maybe by that time they will decide how to use them. lol
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 November 2020 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let them do a couple dozen more, maybe by that time they will decide how to use them. lol

      I shield that it is necessary to replace all the "bjorks" with them ... all the same. yes
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 29 November 2020 11: 05
        +6
        If it is a remote spotter, then, one asks, what is the point in using stealth technologies for him, if you can simply save on it. what
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 29 November 2020 11: 16
          +3
          The US Navy command needs to decide what to do with these destroyers, which are in need of numerous improvements.


          Now what ? Re-qualification into a training ship, a floating barracks, a submarine charging station, a "pulley block"?
          Or straight to the target?
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 29 November 2020 11: 31
            +2
            Sell ​​to Saudi Arabia.
            1. next322
              next322 29 November 2020 12: 15
              +6
              better to sell to Ukraine
              1. screw cutter
                screw cutter 29 November 2020 12: 20
                +2
                Just donate.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 29 November 2020 15: 43
          +5
          Quote: bessmertniy
          asks - what is the point in using stealth technologies for him

          And this is an answer to those who, a few years ago, with a furious scream, splashing saliva and wiping off snot, foaming at the mouth, furiously argued that this "technological miracle" was the future. Like look at how far the West has "gone" forward, we like never catch up with the rest of Yaroslavna's cry. So what? Time puts everything in its place, and now the Americans themselves, having sat down in another puddle, are frankly wondering what to do with this "super-duper miracle". His only achievement is the sky-high price. By the way, this applies to many "breakthrough" developments of the American (Western) high-tech. I will not list, you know. laughing In a word, I am personally satisfied with "Zumvolt". Keep it up, gentlemen, Americans.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 29 November 2020 13: 03
      0
      Command ship ...
      Or in the end, reconcile and preserve until better times. The idea didn't work. We need another idea.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 29 November 2020 10: 41
    +2
    The US Navy command needs to decide what to do with these destroyers, which are in need of numerous improvements.

    How bad they can be, there she stealth prefix takes these ships to the limits of planet earth laughing laughing lol
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 29 November 2020 11: 21
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      How bad they can be, there she stealth prefix takes these ships to the limits of planet earth

      Take higher yes

      "Space cruiser" from the movie saga "Star Wars". Do not give, do not take, by the "contours" and absurdity - Zumwalt.

      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 29 November 2020 11: 45
        0
        In the ZV universe, the wedge-shaped "Emperor" caused fear of its power ... Well, that's fantastic wink
        And the iron-like 4,5 billion green candy wrappers each, which are like the fifth wheel in the cart, cause only a smile lol
      2. Graz
        Graz 29 November 2020 12: 27
        0
        Well, the wedge-shaped hull itself for a combat spacecraft is correct, for the concentration of the main calibers in the front sphere, the troubles there, as for me, with a stupid cabin placed above the hull in the upper sphere for review by all enemies, while in the era of space technologies it is wise to hide it in the most protected place of the main building
  3. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 29 November 2020 10: 41
    -1
    Zamvolt was ahead of its time. The weapon is not ready for him. One of the options is to equip it with the hypersonic SM-6 in shock modification.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 November 2020 10: 42
      +10
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Zamvolt was ahead of its time.

      He got ahead of the printing press ...
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 29 November 2020 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Zamvolt was ahead of its time.

      What exactly was he ahead of his time?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 29 November 2020 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        What exactly was he ahead of his time?

        Time will pass and time will tell.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 29 November 2020 13: 18
          0
          Will we live to see this date? lol And they themselves? laughing
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 29 November 2020 10: 49
      0
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Zamvolt was ahead of its time

      It is a ship of power projection onto the Papuans. When this program was conceived, Russia could not be "considered" an enemy ... So the fantasy played out ... And the result? Failure, and you have to write off the costs ... scandal, investigation, get to the bottom of someone ...
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 29 November 2020 10: 59
        +3
        "We need to decide what to do with these ships":
        give it to Ukraine. yes
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 29 November 2020 11: 08
          0
          As if besides Ukraine there is no one else to give for free !? request If you announce that they are offered for free, then immediately a line of satellites will line up.
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 29 November 2020 11: 14
            +6
            Quote: bessmertniy
            As if besides Ukraine there is no one else to give for free !? request If you announce that they are offered for free, then immediately a line of satellites will line up.

            uh..no, such a ship can ruin a small country into trash, so there won't be many "bad" ones, but Ukraine will take it!
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 29 November 2020 18: 22
        -2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        When this program was conceived, Russia could not be "considered" an enemy ...

        It was conceived even under the USSR, when its share in world GDP was 12%, and now Russia has less than 0.85%. So when and who could you not count?
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 29 November 2020 18: 41
          0
          Quote: syndicalist
          It was conceived even under the USSR, when its share in world GDP was 12%, and now Russia has less than 0.85%. So when and who could not be considered

          In those days, there was no such abbreviation - GDP. All these comparisons remind me of playing by the rules that only one of the players establishes ... And we think so ... Ah, the situation has changed, well, then we play by different rules ... We need to watch industrial production ... And stop taking into account in GDP there are things like lawyers. Or paid medical services ...
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 29 November 2020 19: 50
            0
            Do you really think that industrial production in Russia has gone up like hell?
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 29 November 2020 20: 56
              0
              Quote: syndicalist
              Do you really think that industrial production in Russia has gone up like hell?

              Believe it or not ... but if you search, you will find numbers. 4-5 place in the world ... after China, USA, India ...
    4. Bogatyrev
      Bogatyrev 29 November 2020 12: 21
      0
      What's the point in the shock? There are Tomahawks.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 29 November 2020 12: 24
        -2
        They are hypersonic. Tomahawks are subsonic cruise missiles, with their pluses, but with big minuses. The answer to our Zircons.
        1. Bogatyrev
          Bogatyrev 29 November 2020 12: 26
          +2
          What are the characteristics of this shock version of the SM-6? I have not heard of this yet.
    5. Antifreeze
      Antifreeze 29 November 2020 12: 54
      +15
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Zamvolt was ahead of its time

      It may happen that when time catches up with it, it will become obsolete.
      In general, he is not the first one who is said to be like that.
  4. Axiles
    Axiles 29 November 2020 10: 44
    0
    Excellent targets for our latest supersonic missiles .. Put almost 5 lard to the bottom!
    Here are the Amers spenders, although they have almost 30 trillion of debts working for them.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 30 November 2020 00: 13
      0
      Quote: Axiles
      Excellent targets for our latest supersonic missiles .. Put almost 5 lard to the bottom!

      No! No! And again no! These ships are devouring the money of the US Navy with proletarian hatred, and you are on the bottom ?! Let them be on their balance sheet, let them spend.
  5. prior
    prior 29 November 2020 10: 44
    +3
    Shaw? A lot of money to spend on them ?!
    That nikhai is already rusting on the sly.
    The Zamvolts turned out to be an excellent monument to money spent mediocrely.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 29 November 2020 10: 55
      -1
      Quote: prior
      That nikhai is already rusting on the sly.
      They will not rust: they are wooden, made of balsa (I don’t know about the hull, but the superstructure, for sure).
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 29 November 2020 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: prior
      The Zamvolts turned out to be an excellent monument to money spent mediocrely.

      Well, why did you decide that? Everyone writes as if they were the developers of these ships. Yes, no one saw him live, only in pictures, but everyone judges and considers their opinion the most correct. But do not think that Americans are stupid and mediocre, money can be considered better there than others. And for 5 lards, something was done there quite worthwhile, new perfect, even if the ship turned out to be not very successful, and came out at the wrong time. But it has a lot of things that will be installed on other ships, no one will ever say what is new there. But lard can only saw in the square, not in the states.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 November 2020 11: 15
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Everyone writes as if they were the developers of these ships.

        The problem is that the US itself does not know what to do with it.
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But lard can only saw in the square, not in the states.

        Uh-huh.
      2. prior
        prior 29 November 2020 11: 15
        +1
        These ships were supposed to have two main advantages: an electromagnetic cannon and stealth.
        It didn't work with the gun. With stealth too. If it is not such a big problem to find a submarine, then with a surface ship, even more so.
        As for me, the situation with the Zamvolts resembles the situation with the Prokhorov Yo-cars.
        Or, where are our ekranoplanes?
        There were a lot of conversations, and at the exit - zilch.
        Therefore, the monument.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 29 November 2020 14: 31
          -2
          Quote: prior
          Or, where are our ekranoplanes?
          There were a lot of conversations, and at the exit - zilch.

          There are not "monuments" here, but sabotage ordered by the children of Uncle Sam.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 29 November 2020 10: 49
    +2
    It is certainly not for NI to decide what to do with the ship. One thing can be said already now - the level of automation and power-to-weight ratio has been increased in comparison with berks.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 November 2020 11: 06
      0
      And then? request
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 29 November 2020 10: 54
    -1
    Let them hand over for scrap and not steam)
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 November 2020 10: 55
    +2
    A suitcase without a handle. But I feel it will still be abandoned, maybe they will leave one to bring to mind the embedded technologies and, possibly, as a platform for testing new ones ... But this is inaccurate winked New technologies can be developed even in cheaper conditions. Although if we solve the problems with the loss of progress and power supply, then as a missile carrier or an air defense (missile defense) destroyer, the built hulls may well serve (to serve at least to a decent time), although they are expensive even for Americans
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 29 November 2020 10: 56
    0
    It looks like the Americans got drunk, first they made a ship and then they think how to use it. We would have their problems. I will tell you how to use: Use the barracks as a float and moor to the pier with steel ends, and weld them on the bollards for reliability.
  10. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 November 2020 10: 57
    0
    Built, counted, wept smile..keep it up.
  11. savage1976
    savage1976 29 November 2020 11: 03
    0
    Let them sell them to the country 404, they will immediately become not only the strongest army in Europe but also peace and the aggressor will win.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 November 2020 11: 09
    +6
    The joke happened with artillery weapons.
    With the rocket, everything is fine. Longer than Berks
    Zumvolt slots allow placement of longer-range missiles.
    Which are now in the testing stages.
    The result is three expensive missile cruisers operating independently of the AUG.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 29 November 2020 11: 53
      +3
      Yeah, if you use them separately from the AUG, then it is necessary that the anti-aircraft defense and air defense systems were self-sufficient. And for this they need to give most of the cells for these needs, and less than half of the 80 cells will remain for strike weapons. So I VERY doubt that these golden chumaydans will act on their own. wink
      1. Oleg83
        Oleg83 29 November 2020 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Yeah, if you use them separately from the AUG, then it is necessary that the anti-aircraft defense and air defense systems were self-sufficient. And for this they need to give most of the cells for these needs, and less than half of the 80 cells will remain for strike weapons. So I VERY doubt that these golden chumaydans will act on their own. wink

        Alternatively, remove one 155-mm installation and install additional cells
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 29 November 2020 15: 55
          +1
          "remove one 155-mm mount" ... laughing At "Zamvolt" the launch cells are smeared along the sides, the removal of one AU will entail alteration of the internal premises, pulling cables, and will result in a tidy sum with ridicule of combat readiness to the right for at least another year wink
      2. Avior
        Avior 29 November 2020 13: 35
        +1
        It's not obligatory.
        You can pair Burke.
        Instead of one gun, you can put launchers for air defense.
        The main thing is not yet - missiles for new cells.
        No drums, no missile defense
        They are used from MK41, but they do not fully implement the capabilities of new cells
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 29 November 2020 15: 59
          0
          "You can pair Burke" ...
          Then there will be no trace of the publicized "invisibility" - Burke looks brighter on radars. It's better to pair Burke with the same Burke, although the commander will not score so much than when a golden chumaidan is swinging on the waves near him, for damage or loss of which they will not pat on the head smile
          1. Avior
            Avior 29 November 2020 16: 15
            0
            He does not need direct protection, he will provide self-defense for himself with a minimum consumption of cells for this
            so Burke won't unmask.
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 November 2020 15: 28
        0
        For PLO, they are going to add Virginia to each Zumvolt.
        And for PLO reconnaissance - LCS ship. They have a strong acoustic station.
        Zumvolt has missile defense.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 29 November 2020 16: 08
          +1
          LSC, Aleksey, is still designed for operations in the coastal zone, its cruising range is shorter, therefore, pulling it along will make the supply vessel constant in the squad, which will reduce the flexibility in making tactical decisions.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 November 2020 18: 22
            0
            These Littoral ships are going to make "the whole crowd" "coastal" in the Southeast
            Asia, that is, around China. belay
            They have weak weapons, but strong radars, sonars
            and very fast moving. And an air group of three helicopters (one of them is a drone).
            As operational intelligence it can be useful.
        2. Avior
          Avior 29 November 2020 16: 12
          +1
          We are talking about a limited number of cells on Zammete, limiting the percussion possibilities.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2020 11: 13
    +1
    So it turned out "iron", chumadan without a handle ...
    However, this is an experiment, here any result is a RESULT!
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 November 2020 11: 24
    0
    questioned the feasibility of huge spending on Zumwalt class stealth destroyers for the US Navy
    At the end of October or the beginning of November, this topic was already considered. I will repeat myself. In the United States, they analyzed the spending of money from the budget for new weapons programs by the Pentagon and came to a disappointing conclusion. And the conclusion is this: astronomical sums were spent on projects that were either not implemented due to technical capabilities, or did not justify themselves after the start of operation, because did not correspond to the established performance characteristics.
  15. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 29 November 2020 11: 32
    -2
    In the title, a provocative question - "What to do with these ships?" The answer is obvious, but it will not be skipped by moderators. :)
  16. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 29 November 2020 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Zamvolt was ahead of its time. The weapon is not ready for him. One of the options is to equip it with the hypersonic SM-6 in shock modification.


    I would be ahead if it merged with an electromagnetic gun so that the resource was large and fired at 500-1000 km.

    But alas. From what he has left advanced, as I understand it, this is a single power plant with the concept of competing energy consumption by the ship's systems. those. the bius had to choose a priority in accordance with the combat task of where to throw electricity to the radar, which is not on the main engine or gun. I understand that although nothing worked with the main wunderwafe, the concept of competing food remained. Now you need to debug it, the complexity and costs are incredible, a large series would have saved, in order to spread the costs over many units of the series.

    We have an advanced ship that has not turned out, according to the plans, which is somehow impossible to bring to mind because of the huge costs.
  17. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 29 November 2020 12: 09
    0
    a strategy in which the ship would be used as a "remote spotter", which, with the help of powerful radars, would provide monitoring where other warships cannot.
    Floating radar for 4,5 billion ... Hmm, not bad. laughing
  18. Abdula
    Abdula 29 November 2020 12: 10
    -1
    Let them sell to Russian oligarchs, they still have a total fleet at a cost more than the Russian one
  19. grumbler
    grumbler 29 November 2020 12: 42
    +1
    Zumwalt is a great example of what happens when Customers and Developers abandon the reasonable "doctrine of Lehman, Zamwalt", according to which (https://topwar.ru/149793-pravila-vraga.html):
    "A separate requirement was a direct ban on the pursuit of excessive technical perfection. It was believed that the newest systems could and should be installed on the ship, but only when they were brought to an operable state, and, choosing between a" just good "subsystem and a more expensive and less refined, but technically more advanced, it was considered correct to choose the first of them. The pursuit of superperfection was declared evil, and the principle "the best is the enemy of the good" became a guiding star. "

    The irony is that Zumwalt is named after the same Zumwalt. Back in WWII, it became clear that surface "miracle ships" were in the past. They become targets for submarines, aviation, global integrated reconnaissance / target designation systems and unmanned aerial vehicles (surface, underwater, flying).

    Vladimir Shcherbakov in his article "How shipbuilders are ruining the US Navy. American shipbuilders cannot meet the approved budget" (https://nvo.ng.ru/nvo/2018-11-22/8_1023_usnavy.html) quotes from the report "Military shipbuilding : Past Results Provide Valuable Lessons for Future Investments ”prepared by the US Audit Office following 10 years of work by the US shipping industry in the interests of the US Navy:

    “In 2007, the Navy set itself the goal of building a fleet of 330 ships. Since then, the Navy has reduced by 30 ships, spent $ 11 billion of superbudget, allowed many years of delays and received ships that have less potential and quality than they expected ... Shipbuilding programs carried out over the past 10 years often did not achieve their goals cost, schedule, quality and performance. While the negative aspects are most acute with the lead ships, subsequent ships of this type also often do not correspond to the expected results. "


    Of course, one can only be glad for the "potential partners". But we must remember that this is happening with a country many times richer than Russia. With a much deeper tradition of public-private partnership. Where there is a very strong school of practical application of systems engineering, and project management is at a much higher level than ours. With our limited resources and an economy catastrophically skewed in the military-industrial complex, with a rickety civilian industry (especially in the Hi-Tech sphere) in Russia, we need to pay triple attention to this example, when the State is trying to impose another "super-aircraft carrier" or "miracle-ekranoplan" ...

    As for where to "attach" Zumwalt - you can try to use it for the needs of electronic intelligence and electronic warfare. The United States admits that it is still lagging behind Russia in this regard. Perhaps such "REB-Zumvalty" will be able to strike at systems critically dependent on "network centricity" - on aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, UAV carriers and their aircraft, to destroy "swarms".
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 29 November 2020 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: grumbler
      Back in WWII, it became clear that surface "miracle ships" were in the past. They become targets for submarines, aviation, global integrated reconnaissance / target designation systems and unmanned aerial vehicles (surface, underwater, flying).

      Actually, the main problem of these ships is not even that. During their construction, the limit of complication of technical systems that we, earthly civilization, are generally capable of building, was significantly exceeded. So the Zumvolts will be under repair all the time, not being able to leave the docks at all if anything other than one engine is launched in them.
      American technical culture, once the leading one on the planet, is already in the past. They, of course, have so far degraded much less than we have (we have completely destroyed our own, completely and completely trampled), but the process is proceeding at an accelerating pace ...
  20. Cowbra
    Cowbra 29 November 2020 12: 52
    0
    For example, this is a strategy in which the ship would be used as a "remote spotter", which, with the help of powerful radars, would provide monitoring where other warships cannot.

    Then what for him "stealth", if he sparkles with radar, like a Christmas tree? lol
    In other words, following J. Ford, the LCS, F-22, F-35 programs, numerous attempts to replace Bradley with Stryker - the Zyams turned out to be a banal cut ...
    By the way. In general, how can you take as many as THREE destroyers of 7 billion each, without conducting any test firing at all from anything ?! Well, at least there are missiles there? Or also - no? Judging by the fact that there were NO missile firing as well - and with missile weapons not a
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 November 2020 13: 39
      0
      The smaller the EPR, the higher the likelihood that anti-ship missiles will go to traps and simply will not get into the ship
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 29 November 2020 14: 07
        +1
        Have you forgotten how to launch missiles on the enemy's radar beam? And here, absolutely to the EPR button hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 November 2020 15: 57
          0
          And if you turn off the radar? Beam redirect?
          Or is radar not a radar, but a trap?
          And if there is line-by-line scanning?
          As then?
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 29 November 2020 16: 10
            -1
            And then a "stealth destroyer" ... Which "with RADAR can probe where others cannot" ... Without a radar - not needed at all and nafig, oddly enough. I don’t understand - you have problems with the perception of the text, there, in the article above, what are you going to sharpen it for out of desperation? It's hard. Well, when you learn Russian, then let's talk, arividerchi
            1. Avior
              Avior 29 November 2020 16: 28
              -2
              Advice to the wrong address.
              You just undertook to comment on what you vaguely understand.
              The low EPR of Zamvolt is needed not so much so that it is not detected, but so that the missile defense system with the radar seeker, subject to the use of jamming and traps, had a low chance of getting into it. The issue of using anti-radar missiles on it is very controversial due to the peculiarities of the beam formation of its radar.
              It is highly directional with low side lobes and a multifunctional radar that includes general vision radars.
              hi
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 29 November 2020 16: 59
                0
                Yavol, May Fuhrer, by the way. I don't know German either. Tell me the logic of a spotter who probes something with a narrow beam. He already knew the target - then he didn't need a fuck. So what's left? I - nifiga not a sailor, but about the adjustment - at least the principles, you are true here. don't risk it.
  21. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 November 2020 13: 05
    -3
    And so almost all of the US military-industrial complex))
    It is expensive, there is no effect, they don't know what to do with it))
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 November 2020 13: 20
    -2
    What? Again?!
    I have already said, and I will repeat again, the only task that the Zumvolts are capable of performing between repairs is the collection of industrial waste from docked vessels. No matter what they are reprofiled there, everything will end in garbage and drains. Well, or they will "die heroically in the performance of an important Mission." Somewhere you need to put these cool things ...
  23. Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 29 November 2020 13: 45
    +1
    In my opinion, with all the lack of development of the use of Zamvolts, they, in addition to cutting the budget (well, of course, where can we go without it) served and will serve as testing grounds for developing new weapons, technologies, organizational processes and what else. You can also write LCSs there. Of course, "polygons" are expensive, but let's not count money in other people's pockets. Instead, it is better to decide what to do with our ships with an incomprehensible concept of use. I'm talking about project 22160. Their appearance is a reality. So, for all their shortcomings, you need to figure out how to use them with maximum benefit.
    Maybe, since they have the option in the form of helicopters, use them in some kind of anti-submarine modification, and reinforce the Karaurty and Buyan with them (whose anti-submarine helplessness has been mentioned more than once)?
    What do the professionals say?
  24. Lord
    Lord 30 November 2020 02: 56
    -1
    And it's a pity to throw it out and use it hard