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Former Minister of Defense of Poland: The country is going through the most dramatic period since the liquidation of the First Polish Republic

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Poland is commenting on the statement of the country's former defense minister, Antoni Macerevich. Let us remind you that this person heads the subcommittee on "investigating the causes of the catastrophe of the presidential Tu-154 near Smolensk."


On the air of the Polish radio station "Radio 24", Mr. Macerevich said that today Poland is going through "the most dramatic period since the liquidation of the First Polish Republic."

Matserevich:

We have no problems with foreign aggression, but we have problems with betrayal on the part of some politicians.

This is how the ex-minister commented on the calls of certain representatives of political elites "to abandon confrontation with Brussels, not to veto collective decisions, so as not to aggravate the crisis." According to Macerevich, those who make such statements "actually offer to give up independence under the pretext of getting more benefits for the people."

This discussion in Warsaw unfolded in connection with the fact that Poland and Hungary have used veto over the draft seven-year EU budget, as well as funds to overcome the consequences of the coronavirus. Warsaw and Budapest announced that they would not support the draft budget, since there financial assistance is prescribed for only those states that comply with the "common European norms". In Poland, forces have emerged that urge the authorities not to argue with Brussels. But their opponents, including Macerevich, say that otherwise it would be "a betrayal of national interests."

Experts in the EU believe that if Warsaw and Budapest do not change their positions, then this "could deal a blow to the economic stability and unity of the European Union."
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 29 November 2020 08: 09
    +4
    ... stability and unity of the European Union ”.

    What kind of stability? And it's ridiculous to talk about unity in general ... the EU was a bankrupt, huge structure, the unity of which is supported only by the euro and the sad anti-Russian polemics ...
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 29 November 2020 08: 25
      +8
      The European Union should have followed the example of the USSR long ago. And he just approached this - with the UK Brexit and disagreements with individual countries. It is not surprising that a number of countries, having risen at the expense of the general budget of the European Union and not getting as much as they want, are beginning to raise a buzz about their independence. wassat
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 29 November 2020 09: 07
        +10
        Hungary and Poland have blocked a historic EU budget of 1,8 trillion euros and a coronavirus recovery plan as the bloc tries to link funding to democratic norms.
        What is there with Hungary, I do not know.
        But "Great Poland" has always bitten and will bite the hand of the giver! I used to bite the fingers of the Russian Empire, now - to the European Union. And the Nazi Macerevich was right there!
        1. marchcat
          marchcat 29 November 2020 09: 37
          +4
          Who is talking about what: lousy about the bath, and experts about the unity of the EU. We remember this unity, this is when the masks steal from each other ...
        2. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 29 November 2020 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: Tatiana
          What is there with Hungary, I do not know.

          And what about Hungary? There, as well as in Poland itself, a nationalist government is in power, only a little more pragmatic and moderate in relations with us.
          So, for example, Hungary, along with Belarus, buys anticonvulsants from us without looking back at the screeching of "partners".
          That is, they are trying to pursue some kind of independent policy.
          Quote: Tatiana
          "Great Poland" has always bitten and will bite the hand of the giver! I used to bite the fingers of the Russian Empire, now - to the European Union.


          Something took you to the wrong place ...
          You are mistaken / holy simplicity / in comparing RI, and even more so the USSR, which could (and did so) tear off a piece from themselves and give others to the EU.

          You just made fun of the fact that the European Union is giving something to someone without later stripping it off as sticky.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 29 November 2020 13: 31
            +3
            Quote: BDRM 667
            You just made fun of the fact that the European Union is giving something to someone without later stripping it off as sticky.

            And everyone thinks that everyone receives manna from heaven from the EU, although this aid is only a few percent of GDP, and donations are minuscule. And from the entire post-Soviet space, only the people of Poland, the Czech Republic and Russia live better than others.
        3. Machito
          Machito 29 November 2020 11: 07
          0
          And the Cossack is sent. (FROM)
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 29 November 2020 10: 32
      +5
      The Psheks and Magyars imposed a "veto" because Brussels had severely cut their rations.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 November 2020 20: 17
        0
        The ration was allocated normal, but Germany linked it to the fulfillment of the requirements of Brussels.
        And Poland and Hungary do not want to play "Kashtanka".
        They do not want to accept emigrants under the quota. They don't want a lot of things.
        And they want money and angrily reject attempts to "financially motivate". laughing
  2. Proton
    Proton 29 November 2020 08: 10
    +3
    Through controlled Poland, the Americans are putting pressure on the European Union. Weakening competitors little by little is a good decision for the United States.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 November 2020 08: 47
      +4
      Yes, the Poles are a banal instrument of the United States, but they got bloated ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2020 09: 48
        +2
        Hi soldier
        The Poles have hopes that their big brother will not leave them in trouble!
        Theoretically, there is such a chance, but how it turns out practically, time will tell.
        Geyropeyskie a lot of money thrown into Poland, only now the question emerged, which is more profitable .... to throw the ungrateful overboard or go on their lead ???
        These are their problems.
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 November 2020 12: 03
          +2
          Good time ! hi
          These are their problems, and there is no doubt that the United States will throw them, the only question is when ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2020 13: 57
            +1
            The options, whether he quit initially or mattress and quit, are all different in terms of the duration of the period of enthusiastic squealing under the dormant.
            So sho boom just to see.
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 November 2020 17: 33
              +2
              His entire history (USA) suggests that he will definitely throw ...
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 November 2020 08: 19
    +2
    This abnormal will someday suffer, because of his long tongue ... However, like his Poland ...
  4. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 29 November 2020 08: 22
    +7
    "Thirty-year-old Polish peasant Krzysztof Azninsky became a Darwin Prize laureate almost without a struggle. Almost all those who took part in the vote gave him preference. It happened so. Together with his friends, Krzysztof celebrated his imminent wedding. When one of the guests invited everyone to strip naked and At first, the guys ran after each other with frozen turnips in their hands and tried to hit their partner more painfully. However, then someone came across a chainsaw. A friend (and, according to some reports, the future best man of Krzysztof) grabbed her and said that he would show what real men can do. Before the friends had time to look back, he turned on the saw and cut off his foot. Here came the finest hour of Krzysztof himself. With a cry, "Just think, the leg is nonsense! Is it so weak?" he cut off his head in the blink of an eye. "It's all strange," one of Krzysztof's friends later recalled. "As a child, he loved to walk in his older sister's underwear. But he died like a real man." Because of this phrase, the Darwin Committee is now with he is paying particular attention to reports from Poland: there must be people left there who can do something in the style of Pan Krzysztof. "
    Much like everything pshek do in politics - suicidal
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 29 November 2020 08: 28
      +3
      Hmm, no words. To courageously cut off your head in which there are no brains left, you must try hard. what
      And Poland simply ran out of Brussels' money, and the Poles liked living on a grand scale ... at someone else's expense. Now someone needs to be robbed for this.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 29 November 2020 12: 28
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Hmm, no words. To courageously cut off your head in which there are no brains left, you must try hard.

        What did you believe?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 29 November 2020 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Much like everything pshek do in politics - suicidal

      What's the politics - they just need to make the Darwin Prize their national symbol. If everything was as described, and this is not an anecdote, then the Poles should be given this prize forever - I hope they will not run out of such nuggets ...
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 29 November 2020 08: 36
    +1
    Germany alone will benefit from the collapse of the EU.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 November 2020 08: 57
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Germany alone will benefit from the collapse of the EU.

      Germany is playing the first violin in the EU. Today it is the first economy in Europe, any situation will suit it.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 29 November 2020 10: 15
      +3
      It depends on how it disintegrates .. If they manage to get rid of the parasites and create a new union in its original form, Benelux, Germany, France, maybe Denmark and some other small thing, they will become immeasurably stronger .. In general, the EU expansion to the east was the most obvious set-up of the insolent Saxons against united Europe. For the sense of these freeloaders and parasites is zero, but they eat and shout a lot .. Should we not know ..
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 29 November 2020 12: 13
        +1
        For the sense of these freeloaders and parasites
        Their per capita GDP significantly exceeds that in the Russian Federation. And Western European large companies made good profits from the opportunity to crush their markets for themselves and get inexpensive qualified workforce (look at the production of auto components in Slovakia and furniture in Poland for example)
  6. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 29 November 2020 08: 39
    +2
    Quote: bessmertniy
    It is not surprising that a number of countries, having risen at the expense of the general budget of the European Union and not getting as much as they want, are beginning to raise a furor about their independence.

    Not quite so ... Poland, having risen on European subsidies, ignored many of the EU's requirements and got away with it for a long time.
    But not at this time. wink The EU stubbornly demands "money in the evening", but is ready to give "chairs" only in the morning.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 29 November 2020 12: 16
      +1
      The EU stubbornly demands
      And the Poles and Hungarians really do not want Afro-Muslim ghettos at home, as in Paris and Berlin. It is already known from the experience of Germany and France that this "path" is at least erroneous. They rested to death on this very issue.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 29 November 2020 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        They rested to death on this very issue.

        Not only ... There are both agricultural producers and "logisticians" - long-range players.
  7. cniza
    cniza 29 November 2020 08: 43
    +3
    Experts in the EU believe that if Warsaw and Budapest do not change their positions, then this "could deal a blow to the economic stability and unity of the European Union."


    Germany will soon get tired of it, but there are many but ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 November 2020 09: 49
      +4
      The Germans will have to decide whether that chumadan has a pen or no longer.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 29 November 2020 10: 43
        +3
        The suitcase never had a handle, but the owner makes you wear it.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2020 11: 09
          +1
          Like geyropeyskie tried to screw them a handle ..... it seems, did not grow together.
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 November 2020 12: 05
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            Like geyropeyskie tried to screw them a handle ..... it seems, did not grow together.


            It is very difficult to screw the handle to the soft substance ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2020 14: 00
              +1
              However, they tried to pick it up, to spur on the general "boys on the road" .... but it just did not grow together.
              However, there is a group and so gathered "funny.
              1. cniza
                cniza 29 November 2020 17: 34
                +2
                Oh yes, they work together on backing vocals ...
        2. cniza
          cniza 29 November 2020 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: Incvizitor
          The suitcase never had a handle, but the owner makes you wear it.


          And such suitcases were hung from all sides and all without handles ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2020 14: 06
            +1
            This yes, "it sang along" they put together a very special one! True, when the BABOSIKI began to count, those who give, those who receive wanted to crawl to another choirmaster !!!
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 November 2020 17: 36
              +2
              And after all, they will crawl, although they may stop feeding them there ...
      2. cniza
        cniza 29 November 2020 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        The Germans will have to decide whether that chumadan has a pen or no longer.


        They practically decided, but the United States presses and does not allow them to independently conduct policy ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2020 14: 09
          +1
          This is yes, BUT, when the BABOSIKI are for the benefit of all the suffering end, and this happened practically, the law-abiding salesmen will begin to kick their government with terrible force ... it is already at its breaking point, judging by the fact that the Germans have already started the buza ... ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 November 2020 17: 37
            +2
            The Germans have their patience at the limit, they will demolish everyone and everything ...
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 November 2020 08: 46
    +3
    if Warsaw and Budapest do not change their position ...

    The EU cannot deal with Poland, and everyone hopes that she will change her position. Not guessing, tk. Poland in its activities and politics appeals not so much to national interests as orientation towards the "wind" from the USA.
    Anthony Matserevich
    This is where mental retardation, whether age-related, or from birth, fully coexists with terry Russophobia (investigations on Tu-154, statements as a minister ...).
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 29 November 2020 09: 08
    +3
    And what kind of "common European norms" did Poland and Hungary dislike so much that they forced them to stand "in a pose"? Or, on the contrary, only from the "pose" did they begin to straighten?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 29 November 2020 09: 14
      +1

      Fidget (Elena)
      Today, 09: 08
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      0
      And what kind of "common European norms" did Poland and Hungary dislike so much that they forced them to stand "in a pose"? Or, on the contrary, only from the "pose" did they begin to straighten?
      There is a bickering over the dough. Everyone strives to snatch for himself, and more. Elena, hi !
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 29 November 2020 09: 20
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        There is a bickering over the dough. Everyone strives to snatch for himself, and more.

        Hello Sheriff!
        The fact that bickering over the dough takes place is undoubtedly. But in Hungary there will definitely be a lot of people who are unhappy with the EU precisely because they have practically destroyed the agro-industry and not only. And their number is growing.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 29 November 2020 09: 23
          +1

          Fidget (Elena)
          Today, 09: 20
          ... But in Hungary there will definitely be a lot of people who are unhappy with the EU precisely because they have practically destroyed the agro-industry and not only. And their number is growing.
          Well, who is to blame? They themselves got into this yoke (not without help, of course), and here comes the inevitable retribution.
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 29 November 2020 11: 05
      +1
      Believe it or not, they don't like the main democratic value - the rule of law. Local princes want to have influence on the high court, for which they got their hands on
    3. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 29 November 2020 12: 19
      +1
      And what kind of "common European norms" did Poland and Hungary dislike so much

      Reception and subsequent gratification of migrants. Well, they don't want to, like in Paris and Berlin.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 November 2020 09: 12
    0
    This discussion in Warsaw unfolded in connection with the fact that Poland and Hungary used veto on the draft seven-year EU budget, as well as funds to overcome the consequences of the coronavirus.
    Can't cut the EU's soviet budget pie? laughing The flag is there under your feet! bully
  11. HAM
    HAM 29 November 2020 09: 50
    0
    Now, if Estonia and Latvia used a veto, then it would be a sensation ... and Hungary and Poland are like this: "Baba Yaga is always against" ..... ambition and an attempt to show their importance, however, for someone else score...
  12. prior
    prior 29 November 2020 09: 52
    0
    Poland "is going through the most dramatic period".
    Ha. It's only the beginning.
    You can assume that now you have a "white stripe", and after the white one will definitely be black.
    But Russia, in fact, has not even lifted a finger ... Some apples ...
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 29 November 2020 09: 53
    +1
    Poland has played into politics, wants to take the place of the EU leader. But for this it must feed Europe, and not demand handouts!
    Yet strange rules were formed during the construction of the EU. Each country has the right to vote, even if this country contributes 0,0001% of funding to the total basket. This is what the Americans use to feed 4 countries and rule through them in Europe
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 November 2020 10: 22
    +1
    Right, the whole EU is a bunch of countries with low social responsibility. You do not fall under their requirements, you don’t have money either. How boring this world is.
  15. mark2
    mark2 29 November 2020 10: 29
    0
    According to Macerevich, those who make such statements "actually offer to give up independence under the pretext of getting more benefits for the people."


    If this is the case, then the choice should really be in favor of "benefits for the people." By and large, "dependence" or "independence" are terms coined by the authorities in order to justify their need and to be at the helm. For citizens, the main thing is food, wine, housing.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 29 November 2020 10: 53
    0
    The Poles will not survive the third time, what is incomprehensible here?
  17. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 November 2020 10: 54
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Germany alone will benefit from the collapse of the EU.

    United Europe is a German project. As well as the Euro.
  18. Growlers
    Growlers 29 November 2020 12: 29
    0
    Macerewicz Poland's official political madman
  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 November 2020 14: 18
    0
    is he still not in a fool?
  20. iouris
    iouris 29 November 2020 15: 14
    0
    Drama theater and, haha, comedy.
    Why did the Russian prosecutor's office recently demanded some kind of telephone calls? The causes of the disaster have been established. The investigation has been completed. Who is not satisfied with this?