Chinese spacecraft "Chang'e-5" entered lunar orbit

China's Chang'e-5 spacecraft, launched on Tuesday to the Moon, successfully entered lunar orbit on Saturday and began preparations for landing. This was reported by the China National Space Administration (CNSA).

According to the report, the spacecraft at 20:58 Beijing time (15:58 Moscow time) began decelerating 400 kilometers from the lunar surface. In accordance with the flight plan, the Chang'e-5 turned off the engines. At the next stage, the device should make a soft landing under the influence of lunar gravity.

According to CNSA's plans, the station will land in the region of the Ocean of Storms in the western part of the visible side of the Moon, after which it will drill and collect about 2 kilograms of lunar soil. On the surface of a natural satellite of the Earth, the device will spend two lunar days, after which it will set off on its way back. The landing of the descent vehicle with the capsule is scheduled for December 15-16 in northern China in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.

As previously stated in Beijing, if this lunar mission is successful, China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States that has managed to deliver lunar soil to Earth.

The delivered soil is planned to be studied both for scientific purposes and as part of a project to prepare for the construction of a Chinese lunar research base.

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[Crowe]

the construction of a Chinese lunar research base.

I won’t be surprised if this is the case.

[Thrifty]

Crowe - the question is not whether it will be or not, the question is when it will be! And, given the fact that the Yankees want to exclusively extract minerals on the moon, and primarily helium3, the bickering for a place on the moon will eventually be serious.

[Infinity]

And it will be so.
China has:
1) political will;
2) excellent economy.
3) the created system of training the relevant specialists.

Incidentally, I would not be surprised if Trump revived (the start of the Artemis program) the US lunar plans destroyed by Obama (the Constellation program) precisely because of the Chinese, their successes and ambitions, as the USSR once forced Americans to urgently pay attention to space and catch up. More precisely, this is one of the reasons.

[Aerodrome]

Chinese spacecraft "Chang'e-5" entered lunar orbit

yes not ... "madprinter" is just wrong somewhere, so we are ahead of the planet all ... I'm sad, and sad, and yes, there is a lot of buzz, rogozinoids. "everything is fine ... falling ..." ("maestro") ... (C).

[Vlad Pervovich]

yes not ... "madprinter" is just wrong somewhere, so we are ahead of the planet all ... I'm sad, and sad, and yes, there is a lot of buzz, rogozinoids.
calmly comrade

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Aerodrome

"everything is fine ... falling ..."

And for that Rogozin's songs are good, and we can also paint some kind of rocket in Khokhloma.

[slipped]

Quote: Infinity

By the way, I would not be surprised if Trump revived (the start of the Artemis program) the US lunar plans destroyed by Obama (the Constellation program) precisely because of the Chinese, their successes and ambitions,

NASA has requested $ 3,2 billion from Congress and the Senate to develop crewed lunar landing modules under the Artemis program. The Democratic Congress has allocated $ 0,6 billion. The Republican Senate has increased this amount to one billion. "It is imperative that we get this $ 3,2 billion -" said NASA chief Jim Bridenstein. "Now we are not meeting the deadline."

[Infinity]

Yes I know.
This section of "Artemis" will most likely wait for optimization (a terrible word in this context). Such amounts are not just taken. Three companies at once received contracts for the creation of the lander: SpaceX, Blue Origin and Dynetics. Bridenstine insisted on this decision:

"It worries me, even scares me, the prospect of staying with one participant. Because when you eliminate competition, you end up with programs that inevitably drag on and always end up with cost overruns and delays."

As an example, he recalled the C3PO program. Indeed, if NASA had commissioned the creation of a spacecraft for the ISS, for example, only Boeing, then the United States still could not launch people to the station, since the first launch of the CST-100 Starliner ended in partial failure.
But this naturally requires a lot of money.

But Bridenstein is leaving (he said it himself) because of Biden's victory, as is Michael Pence, the current vice president and chairman of the National Space Council. It's a pity, by the way, the men zealously defended the interests of the space agency in the Senate.
Therefore, with this kind of funding, NASA will have to choose one company. But 2024 also looked unrealistic. No, if there was funding right away, the contractors would be immediately identified, then yes ... But for now, we have 2028 of a manned landing flight.

But objectively speaking, China is also unlikely to be in time earlier. The super-heavy launch vehicle and the corresponding spacecraft are just being created, but they did not announce any direct specific plans (sort of like). "Somewhere by 2030".

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Infinity

China has:
1) political will;

And this, in my opinion, is the most important reason.

[Svarog]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Infinity

China has:
1) political will;

And this, in my opinion, is the most important reason.

Political will, backed by the economy..planned economy

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Svarog

Political will, backed by the economy..planned economy

I would say that the will is supported by the economy!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I would say that the will is supported by the economy!

Basis and superstructure, remember.

[Esoteric]

Great economy. Well, yes. Tied completely to the West. The rejection of products from China, the withdrawal of enterprises from China, the ban on the sale of products from China in the West will bring down this "economy" during the time of Mao and the sparrow hunt.
A complete ban on technology transfer to China, and let their "geniuses" try to create something of their own. Refusal to teach students from China, do many Chinese universities know where they simply "burst" to study?
The colossus is on the feet of clay. The most severe contradictions between North and South, all-encompassing corruption, clannishness tied to belonging to the Communist Party, natural slavery (social rating) - Do you admire this?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ezoterik

The colossus is on the feet of clay. Severe contradictions between North and South, all-encompassing corruption, clannishness,

Are you writing this about China for sure? And then I’m talking about Russia, I thought.

[Chervonny]

Over the past 40 years, China has managed to achieve truly impressive economic performance.
No one knows exactly what the future holds for the PRC. In the past, mispredictions of a Chinese systemic collapse have often been heard.
China carefully conceals its weaknesses and often exaggerates its strengths ...
PRC experts point to at least five major long-term challenges that China will face.
1.the demographic situation
The PRC's population is aging. Beijing faces serious rising health care costs. These costs will become a significant burden on the economy and exacerbate growing inequality.
2. the economic model of China.
Today, foreign states are no longer willing to put up with China's success. In addition, China's intellectual property policies have hindered foreign investment. Beijing is depriving itself of the international support often associated with these investments. At the same time, the high level of public investment and subsidies in Chinese state-owned enterprises hide the inefficiency of capital allocation.
3. Deng Xiaoping's political reforms were canceled by the current chairman of the PRC. Establish an independent judiciary, liberalize or eliminate household registration systems that limit mobility and fuel inequality. All this will not be easy for Beijing
4. Today, Chinese society is mostly represented by urban middle-class residents, but the ruling class is still confident that only the Chinese Communist Party can save the PRC, and therefore all reforms will be aimed only at strengthening the party's monopoly on power. Deep structural reforms are opposed by party elites who have been granted access to vast wealth by the current system.
5. Over the past decade, China has spent billions of dollars to increase its attractiveness to other countries, but international opinion polls show that China has not received the desired return on its investments. The suppression of ethnic minorities, the imprisonment of human rights lawyers, and the expansion of state surveillance of society have undermined the attractiveness of the PRC

In short: China was not figs to build capitalism.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Red

In short: China was not figs to build capitalism.

I agree with you, he has many problems ahead, let's see how he will solve them. However, it will be much harder for us to solve our problems.

[Jünger]

It's good to see that at least someone understands the real essence of China. In the majority, here you will only see servility before him, since people do not know history and do not want to see the truth.

[Cosm22]

What's wrong with the history of China?
Did he disappear from the political map of the world in December 1991?
The Chinese civilization is one of the oldest on Earth; according to various sources, it is from 3500 to 5000 years old.
This is a trifle compared to the history of Russia, which exists for an insignificant period of time, right? The year 882 is considered the official documented date of the formation of statehood in Russia.
We will not mention the history of modern Russia, it is not even three decades old.

[Volder]

Quote: Cosm22

The Chinese civilization is one of the oldest on Earth; according to various sources, it is from 3500 to 5000 years old.

And what is the use of this under-civilization, if even the Great Wall of China was built by the Russians? Perhaps it was from the Rus that the Chinese copied their discoveries.

[Cosm22]

The Russians were building not only the Great Wall of China.
They also built the Egyptian pyramids, this is well known to every jingoistic patriot.
As well as the fact that the secrets of making paper and gunpowder, the drawings of the compass and the idea of ​​printing the cunning Chinese by cunning lured from the gullible Russians.

[astepanov]

Quote: Volder

The Great Wall of China was built by the Russians

ABOUT! Another adept of the chronological Thomas sect has surfaced!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Volder

And what is the use of this under-civilization, if even the Great Wall of China was built by the Russians? Perhaps it was from the Rus that the Chinese copied their discoveries.

In my opinion, it was agreed here that we have historical obscurantism on Fridays, and you raise our spirits on Sunday.

[Jünger]

They lost all the key wars they fought. And non-key ones too. This people fell under any conqueror and dissolved him in himself.
Inert, hardworking, patient people, no longer possessing any pronounced talents. However, this is already not bad.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Junger

They lost all the key wars they fought

Tell me, where did the Huns come from in Europe? Who took the main part in the Korean War? Not so simple.

[Jünger]

No one even really knows who the Huns are, there are many versions on this score. If I knew this for sure, I received a lot of money from the scientific community.

Who took the main part in the Korean War?

Koreans, Chinese and the USSR. And without the latter, the first two participants would have covered themselves with a copper basin. And in any case, there was a draw in the results.
It's simple, the Chinese are ballast. But the ballast is specific.

[Varyag71]

The oldest is precisely the Rus civilization

[Esoteric]

If this civilization really were five thousand years old, then today the whole world would speak Chinese. And in fact, they couldn't even come up with a steam engine. And they were not honored to explore our globe. It's all nonsense about the antiquity of China.

[Varyag71]

Poor hurray patriotic wept.

[primala]

3) the created system of training relevant specialists
===================
China walked quietly towards the goal - the power. And of course they will crush them with a lot (they are like ants). The USA is not afraid because ... THEY are afraid of a tight tandem with Russia. If suddenly ... then Europe will think about who it is in the pose (NATO).

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: primaala

THEY are afraid of a tight tandem with Russia. If suddenly ... then Europe will think about who it is in the pose (NATO).

With our economy, I'm afraid that our tandem can only be like a cat with a sausage.

[kenig1]

Bickering fighting androids? Desire and opportunities do not always coincide.

[Runoway]

And, given the fact that the Yankees want to exclusively extract minerals on the moon,

Here's a global question:
"Why, when helium3 is under their noses, the same Americans have forgotten to the Moon for several decades and rushed to Mars, from which nothing will be brought back for the next 50 years?" no more at the level of the 21st century, the prestige of the country

[Maikcg]

Because helium-3 has the same zero emissions. This is not an ore deposit or a quarry. 1 gram per 100 tons of soil in the upper layer of dust is less than a millimeter deep. How to vacuum the entire surface of the Moon by carefully removing a thin layer, and not all 6,5 cm (the average depth of this sinful lunar dust), this question will torment theorists of the industrial development of lunar helium-3.

[Vadim237]

There are rare earth metals in large quantities on the moon and, unlike the Earth, they are all on the surface and it is for them that the struggle will go and not for the fuck anyone now unnecessary Helium 3.

[Maikcg]

And again, these are just theoretical spherical wishes in a vacuum. There are even more of them in the asteroid belt and you don't need to pick them up from the surface, you can immediately tow them to the orbital smelter.

[halpat]

Quote: Vadim237

There are rare earth metals in large quantities on the moon and, unlike the Earth, they are all on the surface and it is for them that the struggle will go and not for the fuck anyone now unnecessary Helium 3.

yeah, they are lying in ingots, you walk, collect, put in ... suitcases :))
and the first passing flight you send home.
and from there, as you know, every half hour departs ... :))

[astepanov]

Quote: MaikCG

This is not an ore deposit or a quarry. 1 gram per 100 tons of soil in the upper layer of dust is less than a millimeter deep.

Even if helium-3 appears on Earth for nothing and in unlimited quantities, there will be no use for it. The technology for producing energy from it has not been studied, the requirements for the equipment are unknown. So for now, all this is just empty talk.

Quote: Vadim237

There are large quantities of rare earth metals on the moon

There are no rare earth metals "in large quantities." There are in the trace, less than on Earth.

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

Quote: Thrifty

bickering for a place on the moon will eventually be serious.

And only in Russia, as always, all polymers will be fucked up, no kidding ...

[Finches]

To write correctly - "if this lunar mission is successful, China will become the third country in the world after the USSR and the USA" - hence my question, when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar mastery states?

[Tusv]

Quote: Finches

hence my question, when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar exploration states?

Has the moon race begun? China is just getting started. The United States is developing a ship. Russia is in the shadows, but we see how Vicky is texting. Before the USSR delivered the first soil

[Finches]

Wikipedia is an Anglo-Saxon virtual agent of influence created specifically under the guise of academic objectivity to format the immature minds of the younger generation - for which Brockhaus and Efron, TSB ... this is an incomprehensible set of letters!

[Tusv]

No, my children are quite normal. We are absolutely sure that we will go down the mountain and .... Yeah everyone. This is the last century. Climbed, we must write off from tudov

[Esoteric]

Well, the Anglo-Saxons, such scoundrels, once introduced the princess Geeta of Wessex into the wife of Vladimir Monomakh. Here are the scoundrels. They started to harm from those times.

[primala]

Wikipedia is an Anglo-Saxon virtual agent of influence specially created
=================
... and what's "interesting", CONSULTANTS \ "historians" - youngsters)) (almost). Composition of UNLEACHERS. Really punched, who is correcting Wikipedia. Ridiculously !!! Completely ignorant. )))
Moreover ... and the whole team saw the picture)))

[Errr]

Quote: Tusv

We see how Vicky is texting. Before the USSR delivered the first soil

And what does Vicki have to do with it? Look at the USSR postal block in the photo below and carefully read all the inscriptions on it.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY DEVELOPMENT OF SPACE LUNAR SOIL DELIVERED TO EARTH BY AUTOMATIC APPARATUS

[Tusv]

I have brands like this

[Errr]

Whole block?

[Tusv]

There is no block. It was expensive. I bought it separately, having pre-shot it on "uncle, give me three kopecks for soda"

[Errr]

Quote: Tusv

"uncle, give me three kopecks for soda"

And in the early 70s I learned to look closely at my feet. Sometimes I was lucky even for the "silver".

[Tusv]

Quote: Herrr

And in the early 70s I learned to look closely at my feet. Sometimes I was lucky even for the "silver".

So I am ten years younger than you. In the late 70's I got tied up at the checkout. There were such 20 kopecks underfoot, and the block of non-extinguished painting was only 25

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Tusv

China is just getting started. The United States is developing a ship. Russia is in the shadows, but we see how Vicky is texting.

Phenomenal - they are preparing, and we are following the wiki. Ok, keep watching ...
"Engraving the names of the winners is a work that requires self-denial ..." (c)

[Tusv]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich

Phenomenal - they are preparing, and we are following the wiki. Ok, keep watching ...

Well tryndyat everything is the same.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Tusv

Well tryndyat everything is the same.

Yes? I'm afraid, while we are doing our favorite thing - muttering about "rewriting history" and rushing about with our primacy in space, we will eventually have to engrave the names of the winners of the space race on the cups. American or Chinese is still a question.

[Tusv]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Yes? I'm afraid while we are doing our favorite thing - muttering about "rewriting history"

In the last space topic, I talked about the Angara. They won't let her take off. And history it is and who is rewriting it, then these are defecty menager

[Runoway]

when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar mastery states

-When the country's elite will be interested in the country's development, and not having children in Miami (second citizenship) and studying in England with accounts in Switzerland
-When will the Central Bank be subordinate to the government
-When will there be real reforms and development programs (at least 10 years)
-Investment in institutions and developments of your own country, with the control of corruption
In fact, not a country, but separate principalities of Sechin, Miller, Deripaska and others. Everyone, having seized a piece, squeezes the maximum while in the chair, and then at least the grass does not grow.
We build oil refineries under Italian control from Italian pipes, we can't stretch the gas pipeline and we buy tomatoes from Turkey, what kind of space are you talking about ???? Tourists climb the abandoned snowstorms, no one needs anything

[paul3390]

when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar mastery states?

When will we finally overthrow Putin's neo-feudalism and return Soviet power to the people? Then - yes, at least to Alpha Centauri .. In the meantime - jump on a trampoline and steal the budget ..

[Tusv]

Quote: paul3390

When will we finally overthrow Putin's neo-feudalism and return Soviet power to the people?

The last Soviet power is much closer to neo-feodolism than Putin's to capitalism. Putin's Russia has many more social traits

[paul3390]

It's funny. What do we have here social, apart from the constant balabolism of the guarantor on TV? The remnants of the Soviet social sphere every year shrink like shagreen leather .. The people are getting poorer, and the bourgeoisie are getting richer, plundering the heritage of the USSR ..

[Tusv]

Quote: paul3390

What do we have here social, apart from the constant balabolism of the guarantor on TV?

Count it up. the employer protects me. not only compulsory health insurance pays for, but also voluntary health insurance. In the Soviet Union, there were such shop therapists. Bulutenis only with a temperature of 38 were prescribed. Fatal episodes are no less than from coronavirus
At daddy 41. The ambulance vindyuril analgin and in the morning to work. Diagnosis - short-term high blood pressure, you can work

[Esoteric]

But imagine, you work, you work, and then once, and the commission was not passed on the medical examination. You can not work any more, we care about your health. And so you leave your job, and welcome to find it. Great, huh? This is taking care of your health. Just think, you do not have a job, it doesn’t matter, but you don’t endanger your health, but the fact that you have nothing to buy for yourself is such nonsense right, health is the main thing.

[Tusv]

And so you leave your job, and welcome to find it. Great, huh?

I am 51 years old, The new generation is a little smarter. And it has never had a USE. I sat on my wife's neck for six months. What is now? Like in chocolate, but you have to prove it every day

[Esoteric]

Well, that's about that and speech. Yes, my health is bad, I am well aware of the risks associated with working in this place for my health. But this is my business, I decided so. No, of course, if a person is sick, for example, with epilepsy, he cannot work as the same driver, so he himself will not get a job at this place.
Here in the same Union, Dad has been driving for forty years, he drove Kamaz trucks with a 12-ton trailer, with milk, so he did not go through any commissions after getting a job, only "breathing into the tube" every day before the flight, and after subject of alcohol. And that's all.

[Tusv]

Quote: Ezoterik

But this is my business, I decided so.

Boy. I am 51 years old. I decided so, does it mean catching up and while I'm out of reach for my cubs or will they catch up? That's where the truth is

[Esoteric]

I am just writing that, in a vulgar way, "my body, my business." And nobody cares about my health. And if I want to "destroy" him at work, then this is purely my business. And no one should forbid me to do so. The state does not feed me, I earn with my own hands, and my health, whether I am alive or dead, concerns only me. I'm over 50
In no case did I want to show you any disrespect.

[Esoteric]

What do we have in the yard now? Feudalism? He is. Who cares about my health? Medicine is paid. Recently I wanted to put a seal, saw the prices and left, I can do without a seal. Although, strangely enough, the employer paid for the compulsory medical insurance. But here the seal is paid, there is no money, go rogue, you are entitled to it.
And lying in the clinic, according to the compulsory medical insurance, is generally a miracle. Give the doctor a pocket, give the head nurse, give the same to an ordinary nurse, otherwise they won't come to you, if only for show. Buy bandages, buy syringes, buy everything. Our doctors are in poverty. They are beggars, the salary is small, but there is no way to get into the medical school, nonsense.

[Tusv]

Again. I don't use VHI Coward. I'm afraid of doctors. And the igloo ..... See. More terrible atomic bombing. Lose your job now or not think about it during the Soviet era. Different things

[Paranoid50]

Quote: paul3390

When will we finally topple Putin's neo-feudalism

And network rebels are sometimes quite funny.

[Varyag71]

10 zaputins against.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar mastery states?

When in Russia will they find a synonym for the word "master" (conqueror) and when will they learn:

[Finches]

I agree with you !!! Spelling, but on the case?

[Pereira]

And with business we are somehow not very good. All the steam went off into the whistle. And if something has settled, it's not in our pockets.

[Maikcg]

Until 1991 there was no Russia, well, well.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Finches

when will Russia join this glorious trio of lunar mastery states?

With the current socio-economic formation, I'm afraid never.

[Alien From]

I agree with you !!!!

[ul_vitalii]

It will soon be commonplace. But it seems to be frequent.

[Dimy4]

Some fingers bend and talk about trampolines, they say we are the coolest. And others at this time work painstakingly and achieve the goal.

[Tusv]

Quote: Dimy4

Some fingers bend and talk about trampolines, they say we are the coolest.

Let me remind you that according to Vicki, the first lunar soil was delivered to the USA in 1969, USSR-1970. How the American samples coincided with ours is not clear. According to Vicki, we didn't have them anyway. The Chinese are great. Rogozin is gone, but half a century late

[Undecim]

Let me remind you that according to Vicki, the first lunar soil was delivered to the USA in 1969, USSR-1970.
According to the Soviet encyclopedia "Cosmonautics" - too.

[Aviator_]

How the American samples coincided with ours is not clear.

There was an exchange of the delivered soil. The book was "Lunar soil from the Sea of ​​Abundance", publishing house "Science". Personally, Yu.I. He gave Mukhin 20 years ago so that he would stop his nonsense in the Duel newspaper. But the main thing for him is the circulation of the publication, and everything else is God's dew.

[Blackmokona]

There was a case, changed the ground

[Runoway]

Some fingers bend and talk about trampolines

From everyone without exception, some fairy tales are promises, and the economy is growing and the dollar won

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dimy4

And others at this time work painstakingly and achieve the goal.

There is no desire even to argue with you ... If you would designate these goals (which you achieved), then we would immediately And when words and promises, projects and layouts are all around, you involuntarily want

[Thrifty]

Now the United States will impose sanctions against Chinese astronautics, because the Yankees want to usurp Selena, which they have repeatedly yelled at, they do not need competitors. ..

[evgen1221]

On the collar, they will introduce themselves against them, it will be more expensive for themselves against the Chinese to act seriously.

[Thrifty]

Evgen 1221 - the Yankees will not be themselves if they do not try in some way to screw up the Chinese on the Moon! Now the US Congress will adopt a law according to which the Moon is a natural continuation of the territory of the USA, and therefore nothing to mine, build, and collect nothing there !!! numbers!

[evgen1221]

No, not rent, because they also sold others on serious cabbage plots on this stone. The maximum will be toughened and limited by cooperation and difficulties will try to create like ala SP2, but I think about this in the matter of space, the Chinese generally don't care.

[Maikcg]

The moon has already been sold for lots by one American swindler. So, the Congress does not need any laws, any homeless person with a deed can apply to any court of any American Zadrischensk and any illiterate judge based on a 200-year-old precedent (buying land from Indians for beads) will impose guano on the Chinese, who will be required to pay and repent ...
Something like this.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Now the United States will impose sanctions against the Chinese astronautics ... yes it will be useless ... there are a lot of people in charge. change at least every day. and enterprises in Xiaoping can "retrain" in an hour, remaining with the same qualifications ..... in a tea house, everything is very flexible and quickly done ... so the sanctions for them are peas against the wall .... and the striped embargo will not go because it will be more expensive

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Now the United States will impose sanctions against the Chinese astronautics ... yes it will be useless, ..

gee ... of course, all silicon production there, even on fu 15-18 came across Chinese micros!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

on Fu 15-18 there were Chinese micros ... well, most likely Taiwanese with an origin from the Middle Kingdom

[Lech from Android.]

This will be a breakthrough achievement for China.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Lech from Android.

This will be a breakthrough achievement for China.

I'm afraid it's just a springboard ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

well, good luck to the Xiaoping people .... I hope if this program is successful, the dilemma of what Selena consists of will finally be resolved .... the arbitrator is important in this case

[slipped]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Finally, the dilemma of what Selena consists of will be resolved ...

Lunar regolith is a surface layer of loose lunar soil. Non-layered, loose, uneven-grained, clastic-dusty layer, reaching a thickness of several tens of meters. It consists of fragments of igneous rocks, minerals, glass, meteorites and breccias of shock-explosive origin, cemented by glass. In terms of granulometric composition, it belongs to silty sands (the bulk of the particles have a size of 0,03-1 mm). The color is dark gray, up to black, with inclusions of large particles with a mirror shine. Soil particles have high adhesion due to the absence of an oxide film on their surface and high electrification. In addition, lunar dust easily rises up from impacts and adheres well to the surface of solids.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Lunar regolith - surface layer - this is also the Luna station brought ... but how about the component He3 ... how much of it is in selenium ... most likely the lunar race will start because of this element

[slipped]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Not3 .... how much of it is on selenium .... most likely the moon race will start because of this element

Not needed already. Rosatom has created a technology for recycling used nuclear fuel. Enough for 1000 years.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Not needed already. Rosatom has created the technology ...... as far as I am aware, Rosatom has not created anything on the moon .... and expansion is a brave affair .... you need to know how to operate the acre regolith ... ... helium 5 along the way what is not a good energy component

[slipped]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Not needed already. Rosatom has created technology ... as far as I am aware, Rosatom has not created anything on the Moon ...

What does the moon have to do with it? You talked about Helium-3, as I told you - it is not needed. As for Rosatom and the Moon, the first one is now creating for the second nuclear reactor, which will be used at our base.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

then the first is now creating for the second atomic reactor ........ along the way we are on different planets ... and here is the direct processing of nuclear waste. when it comes to the occupation of the moon ... well, maybe in 10 years Mars ... and how are you going to drag up to 180 tons of uranium to the moon and plus up to 500 tons of the reactor itself (probably I greatly underestimated) ... .. along the way, Rosatom needs to make a thermonuclear reactor from the very beginning, especially since there are developments. not being a nuclear landfill

[slipped]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

along the way we are on different planets ..... and here is the direct processing of nuclear waste.

Helium-3 was previously announced as a panacea for energy hunger on Earth.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

when it comes to the occupation of the moon ... well, maybe in 10 years Mars ...

Do not carry nonsense.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

and how are you going to carry to the moon up to 180 tons of uranium and plus up to 500 tons of the reactor itself (probably I greatly underestimated) ...

Overestimated. The reactor will be small, very compact and waste-free.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The reactor will be small, ...... not big, it’s what it’s like .... you can have about the specimens that already exist ..... not to provide isotopic ones ... they are small for the implementation of the energy problem

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Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

it is possible to provide approximately copies that already exist ... not to provide isotopic ones ... they are small for the implementation of the energy problem

Isotopic ones are RTGs. These are sources, not reactors. By the way, our domestic ones are successfully used by China in its lunar program.

You still ask about "Petrel" to tell.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

You also ask me to tell you about "Petrel" .... no, no, because your knowledge of petrels is no more than mine ... and an absurd example .... one thing is clear from open sources ... the reactor cools the incoming air flow .... how and what will cool the reactor on the moon? then what am I getting at, ... to the fact that the cooling and habitability systems will be a hundred times greater than the mass of the reactor itself ... and even so, the nuclear fission reactor must be reloaded once every six months. and the cleaning of spent fuel assemblies will not lead to the initial power ... I will keep silent about the system of this very cleaning ....... and there is a lot of helium on the moon along the way, draw it into the boiler ... they are the first thermonuclear reactor in the world or not ... it seems they have been swarming for 20 years already ... the campaign results are not important ... so the whole world would be blown

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I decided everything for myself, it's clear.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I decided everything for myself ...... what exactly !!! ... well, well. everything discussed has already been decided ... well, not everything, but most of it ... and it's me who has nothing to do with it. but it's interesting

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Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.what exactly!!!...

about the size, because it is not difficult to estimate the size of the reactor by evaluating, purely visually, these two pictures:

[Observer2014]

As previously stated in Beijing, if this lunar mission is successful, China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States that has managed to deliver lunar soil to Earth.

Yes! after more than half a century! Good luck to you China. Space exploration is a universal human task. All mankind should go on a united front. I think so.
p / s But that's it, lyrics. Saturday. Day off and all that

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Observer2014

As previously stated in Beijing, if this lunar mission is successful, China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States that has managed to deliver lunar soil to Earth.

Yes! after more than half a century! Good luck to you China. Space exploration is a universal human task. All mankind should go on a united front. I think so.
p / s But that's it, lyrics. Saturday. Day off and all that

in my childhood, when China was looking for and buying sparrows all over Europe, when all China drove on bikes, when lanterns and thermoses appeared of high quality already when I was young, then, shit markets in the 90s, when we sold all the waste, and then .. China! ... China in space! in China ... "yadrenbaton", everything that we have from household (clothes, shoes, bags, icons, jewelry, fountain pens, etc.), almost everything, China ... ah ... yes ... and pots too. What has Russia "conquered" during this time? pensioners ... yes, who else? By the way, contrary to the propaganda, China still has a pension.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: Observer2014

As previously stated in Beijing, if this lunar mission is successful, China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States that has managed to deliver lunar soil to Earth.

Yes! after more than half a century! Good luck to you China. Space exploration is a universal human task. All mankind should go on a united front. I think so.
p / s But that's it, lyrics. Saturday. Day off and all that

in my childhood, when China was looking for and buying sparrows all over Europe, when all China drove on bikes, when lanterns and thermoses appeared of high quality already when I was young, then, shit markets in the 90s, when we sold all the waste, and then .. China! ... China in space! in China ... "yadrenbaton", everything that we have from household (clothes, shoes, bags, icons, jewelry, fountain pens, etc.), almost everything, China ... ah ... yes ... and pots too. What has Russia "conquered" during this time? pensioners ... yes, who else? By the way, contrary to the propaganda, China still has a pension.

China doesn't have a pension; China has a pension.

[Svarog]

Quote: Aerodrome

What has Russia "conquered" during this time? pensioners ... yes, who else? By the way, contrary to the propaganda, China still has a pension.

Mediocre lost 30 years .. a whole generation .. the same amount and we will issue a registration "banana country" .. finish the Soviet legacy and stand on a par with the poorest countries.

[depressant]

Svarog, they took us out of socialism for 30 years, not realizing that leading the population across the destroyed territory of the USSR is tantamount to preserving our socialist mentality, not leading to a capitalist one. Such are the "Moses" ...
Nothing will come of them.

[Vadim237]

The entire Soviet legacy was stolen and eaten back in the 90s - now we do everything we can do ourselves. And banana republics are in someone's skull instead of gray matter.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Aerodrome

when sparrow China was looking for and buying all over Europe

Yes, yes, I remember - the Chinese triads, disguised as ornithologists, changed Mao's quotations for sparrows.

[SaLaR]

Rogozin ... a trampoline ... we will jump ...

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Quote: SaLaR

Rogozin ... a trampoline ... we will jump ...

Well jump , after all, who does not jump with you ...

[SaLaR]

Only the would-be patriot does not see what we already see only the priests of those who were once behind us ...

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Quote: SaLaR

that we already see only the priests of those who were once behind us ...

The fact that you only see priests, I did not doubt.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: slipped

The fact that you only see priests, I did not doubt.

And you, excuse me, look into your fly?

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Quote: mordvin xnumx

And you, excuse me, look into your fly?

No, but apparently you are very well versed in this, since this is assumed.

[Sasha Minakov]

These pseudo patriots are only priests and see) Losers and little ones.

[Aleks2000]

Wah. Caught up and overtake ...
Well done, whatever you say.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The principle of the action of the Chinese masses on the emergence of opportunities is that the accumulation of quantitative changes reaches the speed of solving goals.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

I'm glad for the Chinese. As Comrade Armstrong said when he set foot on the moon at 2 hours 56 minutes 15 seconds universal time on July 21, 1969:
对于 一个 人 而言 ， 这 只是 一 小步 ， 对于 人类 而言 ， 这 是 一次 巨大 的 飞跃

[Max Lebedev]

I'm glad for the Chinese. Worthy rivals. We also need to resume research.

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Quote: Max Lebedev

I'm glad for the Chinese. Worthy rivals. We also need to resume research.

We have resumed research on the Moon long ago. Here's today's result:

Maps of water ice concentration as a percentage of soil mass in the northern (left) and southern (right) circumpolar regions of the Moon, constructed using data from the LEND instrument

The LEND device is a Russian collimated neutron detector that conducts studies of the Moon from the orbit of its artificial satellite.

[Tsoy]

The LEND device is a Russian collimated neutron detector that conducts studies of the Moon from the orbit of its artificial satellite.

And on what it is worth clarifying do not want to? And he stands on the LRO NASA. With this logic and curiosity, it is also Russian. Nasa bought this device, it is by no means the same as "Russia is conducting research."

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Quote: Choi

Nasa bought this device, it is by no means the same as "Russia is conducting research."

We do not sell our scientific instruments. We put them in the framework of general cooperation. The device operates according to the Russian program. Check out https://np.cosmos.ru/

[Pereira]

How is the Rogozinsky trampoline? Earned money?

[Sasha Minakov]

how original) you are so original Russophobes. how is there a German or Italian trampoline?) or Okrainsky? Oh yes. you don't have astronautics. Well, shut up in a rag Russophobe.

[Pereira]

Sasha, you hit your finger ... from behind. It's about a Russian trampoline, after Musk fucked the singer and wit Rogozin.
But I do not forbid you to enthusiastically toss a cap to commemorate something. Be glad that Chubais and Gref are doing well.

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Quote: Pereira

How is the Rogozinsky trampoline? Earned money?

It has been working for a long time, but only recently they threw another astronaut with a trampoline. Don't worry, there are enough trampolines for everyone.

Quote: Pereira

Sasha, you hit your finger ... from behind.

You can't drink personal experience, right?

[Tsoy]

We do not sell our scientific instruments. We put them in the framework of general cooperation. The device operates according to the Russian program. Check out https://np.cosmos.ru/

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/07-1003-Russian-Federation-Space-Coop-Agmt-and-Extend.EnglishOCR.pdf

The fact that they sold got excited, of course, in the link above the original agreement on LRO. The device belongs to Russia, but the data is transmitted through NASA channels.

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Quote: Choi

The fact that they sold got excited, of course, in the link above the original agreement on LRO. The device belongs to Russia, but the data is transmitted through NASA channels.

Naturally, he also stands on a foreign platform that is configured for the DSN network. But in more in-depth joint projects such as ExoMars, the data is sent directly to our network of long-range space communications.

[Pereira]

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Today, 19: 19
What a beautiful picture! Very appetite-stimulating.
So what about flying to Mars?

[Vadim237]

With a flight to Mars, the cost of the entire program is approximately 2040 trillion rubles.

[Perseverance]

Quote: slipped

The LEND device is a Russian collimated neutron detector that conducts studies of the Moon from the orbit of its artificial satellite.

This is what the Spectrum RG German telescope

7 mirrors with sensitivity from 0,2 to 10, which makes this telescope so accurate and sensitive, is called Rosita, it was produced at the Planck Institute in Germany by a large international European team.
The small one was made at the Russian Academy of Sciences and the nuclear center - it has a sensitivity of 5-30. This is in Russia, and even then not completely, for example, the lenses were made in the Marshal Center (USA).

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Quote: Perseverance

This is what the Spectrum RG German telescope

No. This is a joint project. The telescopes installed on it operate according to the general (scans the celestial sphere) and national programs.

Are you jealous?

[Perseverance]

Quote: slipped

Are you jealous?

What? The fact that the main telescope's main instruments are made in Germany?
Or the fact that in 20+ years not a single one his apparatus of this type

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Quote: Perseverance

Quote: slipped

Are you jealous?

What

The fact that Russia has such a new, best instrument in the world, which works perfectly well beyond the Moon.

Quote: Perseverance

The fact that the main telescope's main instruments are made in Germany?

There is no "main telescope". There, both telescopes are the main ones. And German perfectly complements Russian.

Quote: Perseverance

Or the fact that in 20+ years not a single one his apparatus of this type

This is not scary, we have all the data we need on the Moon, Mars, Venus, and soon on Mercury from our instruments. As for the domestic interplanetary vehicles, they are preparing for launch.

And you jump, jump.

[Perseverance]

Quote: slipped

The fact that Russia has such a new, best instrument in the world, which works perfectly well beyond the Moon.

We wanted to say German.

Quote: slipped

There is no "main telescope". There, both telescopes are the main ones. And German perfectly complements Russian.

on lenses from the USA ...

Quote: slipped

As for the domestic interplanetary vehicles, they are preparing for launch.

I love our plans huge
And here's the fact
"the fact that in 20+ years there has not been a single device of this type"

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Quote: Perseverance

We wanted to say German.

And with German quality too. Silently envy.

Quote: Perseverance

on lenses from the USA ...

How will this affect the Jews?

Quote: Perseverance

I love our plans huge And here's the fact

For 20 years, Russia launched three ESA interplanetary stations with its carriers, which it has successfully used or continues to use in its scientific program.

[Serpet]

It is necessary to start joint projects in space with the Chinese. They have grown up already. If only we did not completely fall out of the cage.

[Antifreeze]

Quote: Serpet

We need to start joint projects with the Chinese in space

By the way, not the worst partners.

[Pereira]

The Chinese don't need us. Dump.

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Quote: Pereira

The Chinese don't need us.

The main space Chinese answers your verbal delirium:

[Observer2014]

Quote: Max Lebedev

I'm glad for the Chinese. Worthy rivals. We also need to resume research.

To you, who is this?

[donavi49]

By the way, CASIC (state office) rolled out its methane engine after the private owners.

LandSpace (a private trader) is already driving full-thrust TQ-12s and has even posted 12 and 4x11 shunting-booster assemblies for their new 4-ton missile. At the same time, if you put one-time boosters, then you can raise the output to 6 tons. Methane engines. But they want to launch a commercial rocket faster, so they make it potentially reusable, but disposable ... First start-up in Q2 2021. The refundable modification will be introduced around 23 years old.

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Quote: donavi49

Incidentally,

In the meantime, our guys from FPI have completed a complex of acceptance tests of the MGTD-150E engine No. 001, created within the framework of the reusable ultralight launch vehicle under development on the "Wing-SV" theme.

The MGTD consisted of 6 critical parts manufactured using the selective laser fusion technology from metal-powder compositions of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "VIAM". These are the flame tube, frontal device, jet nozzle, compressor casing, VNA casing and nozzle apparatus.

During the tests, it was recorded that the parameters of the engine exceeded the requirements for the Terms of Reference of the project. The maximum thrust was 151,6 kgf, which is 20% higher than that of the prototype engine, while the specific fuel consumption and gas temperature behind the turbine were reduced by 10%, and the engine weight did not change.

[Antifreeze]

I am glad that the competence in this area has been preserved Good luck to the guys

[Aviator_]

MGTD-150E No. 001

Everything is fine about this engine, but what does it have to do with space rockets? This is a purely aviation engine, you yourself write that it has a turbine (you don’t know what it rotates there - I’ll answer you - a compressor that compresses atmospheric air). And one more thing: the gas temperature behind the turbine is of no interest to anyone, the critical parameter is the gas temperature before turbine.

[Vadim237]

The rocket will return according to the aircraft scheme, and in general, the combined ramjet + liquid-propellant engine was demonstrated in 2016 for aerospace aircraft - only when in Russia these aircraft will be engaged in hell knows.

[Aviator_]

In this case, it is not a bundle of ramjet + rocket engine, but a gas turbine engine, which is reflected even in its name. It was not made for spacecraft.

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Quote: Aviator_

Everything is fine about this engine, but what does it have to do with space rockets?

Quote: Aviator_

In this case, it is not a bundle of ramjet + rocket engine, but a gas turbine engine, which is reflected even in its name. It was not made for spacecraft.

This is a separate engine for the first stage of a space rocket, it is used during its flight in the atmosphere when the stage returns to the launch complex.

[telobezumnoe]

150 kgf for this engine .. for al41 15000 kgf .. you are a dreamer

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Quote: telobezumnoe

150 kgf for this engine .. for al41 15000 kgf .. you are a dreamer

And more for the demonstrator of the return stage of 1/3 scale from the original is not needed, you just don’t know

[telobezumnoe]

maybe I don’t know, but at least I can think ..

within the framework of the project, a line of promising small-sized gas turbine engines in the thrust class of 10, 20, 125 and 150 kgf was developed, manufactured and tested

here is the whole daylily, this is the most powerful of them, no matter how any steps, even 1/100 layouts, they are not intended .. two engines with a thrust of 35 kgf are installed on the su 15000, each turns out to be 100 times more powerful, suppose the first step will return by plane will it need a separate engine for it? which of course will affect the payload .. what is its mass? and how much thrust must the engine have in order to provide thrust for maneuvers with small wings? in my opinion it is easier to undress and use multiple switching on of the main jets .. 150 kgf is for small drones, and not high speeds .. the uniqueness of these engines is additive technology, and they have nothing to do with space, since they are designed for low speeds ..

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Quote: telobezumnoe

maybe I don’t know, but at least I can think ..

Thinking in the wrong steppe.

Quote: telobezumnoe

which of course will affect the payload .. what is its mass?

SLK has a PN weight of tens of kg. Usually these are CAs:

Quote: telobezumnoe

the uniqueness of these engines is additive technologies, and they have nothing to do with space, as they are designed for low speeds ..

Nobody is going to make a stage out of a demonstrator - a fighter. Here is the takeoff of the Tribute target rocket with the MGTD-125E engine especially for you

[Pereira]

Has Batutin already hanged himself?

[evgen1221]

You will not wait)))) He still needs to tell so many tales!)))

[Lord of the Sith]

What can I say, just wish the Chinese lunar mission good luck
It will be a great success for all of humanity.

[APASUS]

According to CNSA's plans, the station will land in the region of the Ocean of Storms in the western part of the visible side of the Moon, after which it will drill and collect about 2 kilograms of lunar soil.

What for ?
The Americans seemed to say that for all the lunar missions, they collected 60 kg of soil from the Moon in the region. They would have bought it in the USA.
The truth is, there is a chance that the Americans were just talking ...................

[Old Horseradish]

One mansions in London another exploration of the moon. Well, we are no good. Everything is as usual. And I forgot the Sultan with the Janissaries at his side.

[Dmitry Makarov]

Have the Chinese found Marlboro butts and Coca-Cola cans?

[tralflot1832]

We will land from the Moon to Earth. From December 5, it is planned to begin the completion of Nord Stream 2 !!! Someone is vomiting farts, you can hear it in Sochi !!!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tralflot1832

Completion of Nord Stream 5 is planned to begin on December 2 !!!

Hehe ... I was here a year ago assured that in February 20th they will finish building.

Quote: tralflot1832

Someone is vomiting farts, you can hear it in Sochi !!!

In my opinion, it is you who vomit farts from Sochi.

[evgen1221]

But it is interesting to guess the landing on video or on-line filming? In terms of the presence of a crater, dustiness of the apparatus and other moments that confuse the Apollo landings?

[ender]

Quote: evgen1221

But it is interesting to guess the landing on video or on-line filming? In terms of the presence of a crater, dustiness of the apparatus and other moments that confuse the Apollo landings?

Why didn't the photo from the "Yuytu" rover suit you?

[Klingon]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Not3 .... how much of it is on selenium .... most likely the moon race will start because of this element

Not needed already. Rosatom has created a technology for recycling used nuclear fuel. Enough for 1000 years.

you cannot run a Tokamak on normally nuclear fuel. What is needed is a synthesis reaction, not a decay. And for synthesis just HE3 is needed.
A working fusion reactor will be much more efficient in terms of energy efficiency than conventional nuclear power plants.

[Disant]

As I was informed in Rosatom, the nearest industrial thermonuclear reactors are planned on the horizon of a century - too long scientific research cycles are obtained. It is also unclear where to get fuel from.

A working fusion reactor will be much more efficient in terms of energy efficiency than conventional nuclear power plants.

And then Rosatom learned how to burn fuel from old nuclear power plants - the warehouses are clogged with fuel. That is, it is definitely cheaper. (Of course, it is faster to bring the goods along the railway line, but by sea it is cheaper.)
Now thermonuclear inclinations remained only for science and the military. Moving forward on old pairs

[Esoteric]

Well, now fans of China will break the keyboard with delight. What a wise, beautiful country it is, how splendid it is to live there under the wisest leadership of the great leaders, and how the Chinese adore and love them. China is an example to everyone! Give China to all countries of the world!

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Ezoterik

Well, now fans of China will break the keyboard with delight. What a wise, beautiful country it is, how splendid it is to live there under the wisest leadership of the great leaders, and how the Chinese adore and love them. China is an example to everyone! Give China to all countries of the world!

The keyboard is made in China, in most cases, please note.

[Esoteric]

Well, I have Microsoft, mechanics, five years already. But production is Vietnam

[Pavel57]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

I would say that the will is supported by the economy!

The economy may sink into a crisis, but everyone will have it.

[Pavel57]

China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States to deliver lunar soil to Earth.

And the states counted.

[Pavel57]

Quote: evgen1221

But it is interesting to guess the landing on video or on-line filming? In terms of the presence of a crater, dustiness of the apparatus and other moments that confuse the Apollo landings?

For comparison with other historical footage.

[Esoteric]

I've already asked this question, but I will repeat myself. Why do many people love and admire China? Yes, not China, but China. As this country was called in ancient Russia, China. Absolutely alien mentality, slavish psychology of its inhabitants, innate deceit with a smile on their face. Well, really, it's very interesting why so many people love China so much? Not understanding.

[Bolt cutter]

Why do so many people love China so much?

It is considered an example of the success of a communist state, although there is no smell of communism there. They are also considered anti-Americanists, even though they are tied up economically.

[Grif]

About two lunar days amused.

[Grif]

And what is helium-3 for today? The thermonuclear reactor was never created

[7,62x54]

Fast however.

[Maximilian37]

Quote: Aerodrome

Chinese spacecraft "Chang'e-5" entered lunar orbit

yes not ... "madprinter" is just wrong somewhere, so we are ahead of the planet all ... I'm sad, and sad, and yes, there is a lot of buzz, rogozinoids. "everything is fine ... falling ..." ("maestro") ... (C).

I heard that the trivaras first write one message and then edit it. are you one of them?

[Storm uesugi]

they will negotiate with the aliens, who flooded the Americans from the moon)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Chinese spacecraft "Chang'e-5" entered lunar orbit

you know, I want to wake up and understand that these 35 years are just a bad dream, that this is a fantasy of science fiction writers, that this cannot be so, it should not. 35 years ago, my country was powerful, everyone reckoned with her every opinion, but betrayal turns out to be worse than war (we all remember "Malchish-Kibalchish") - by the way, an example of betrayal by a descendant of A. Gaidar, the country. ..have gone ... journalist Rogozin, that it lagged behind China in the space race, about "kaktebetakoeilonmask" even keep quiet. I don't want to talk about "Noah's Ark" - "Hangar" either, there the budgets of many small countries have dissolved. What's going on? except M.Yu. Lermontov, nothing comes to mind: DUMA
Sadly I look at our generation!
His future - il is empty, il is dark,
Meanwhile, under the burden of knowledge and doubt,
Inaction, it will age.
We are rich, barely out of the cradle,
The mistakes of the fathers and their later minds,
And life already torments us, like a smooth path without a goal,
Like a feast at someone else's holiday.
To good and evil, they are shamefully indifferent,
At the beginning of the field, we wilt without a fight;
Before danger, shamefully cowardly,
And before the government - despicable slaves.
So a skinny fetus, ripe for a while,
Neither pleasing our taste, nor eyes
Hanging between flowers, an orphaned alien,
And the hour of their beauty - its fall hour!
We have withered the mind with barren science
She is envious of her friends and family
Hope is the best and the voice is noble
Disbelief ridiculed passions.
We barely touched to the cup of pleasure,
But we did not save those young forces;
Of every joy, fearing satiety,
We have the best juice ever.
Dreams of poetry, creation of art
Delight sweet our mind does not stir;
We eagerly cherish in the chest the rest of the feeling
Buried in stinginess and useless treasure.
And we hate, and we love by chance,
Without sacrificing anything to anger or love,
And some cold secret reigns in the soul,
When the fire boils in blood.
And our ancestors are bored with luxurious fun,
Their conscientious, childish debauchery;
And we rush to the grave without happiness and without glory,
Looking mockingly back.
The crowd is gloomy and soon forgotten
We will pass over the world without noise and trace,
Throwing not a fertile thought for centuries,
Not a genius of work begun.
And our dust, with the rigor of a judge and a citizen,
A descendant will be insulted by a contemptuous verse,
Taunting the bitterly deceived son
Over the squandered father.

[Disant]

journalist Rogozin, something lagged behind China in the space race,

if we take Rogozin out of the brackets, then what is the lag? China is still repeating the USSR space program. Explain how the lag is expressed.

I don't want to talk about "Noah's Ark" - "Hangar" either, there the budgets of many small countries have dissolved.

what is wrong with the "Angara"? postponed the launch for ten days without explanation.
if you are talking about the whole Angara project, which has been going on since the 90s, this is the consequences of the collapse of the USSR. This Hangar has been redesigned COMPLETELY several times. In the form in which it is, it has been developed over the years since 2010. That which is long (since 2010) - so there is no LOAD on it - to display something. It is being pulled by the military, who themselves have a dark mountain of conversion missiles with their heads turned off. They are pulling with an eye to the future.
About the budget - explain how much was spent on the Angara - to know which country to compare with

[Vadim237]

The Angara now has something to display 620 Sphere satellites.

[Disant]

The sphere is NOW NOW a project far-fetched to the Angara. Everything will change a hundred times more.
Such satellites can be launched with any conversion rocket in batches of smaller ones, without risking such a large package of satellites at once and without spending large resources on making the rocket. They (satellites) are already scraped one by one.
.
Angara is primarily a heavy missile. The real load on the Angara has not yet ripened.

[rjpthju]

"China will become the third country in the world after Russia (USSR) and the United States." Why is the USSR in brackets? And where is Russia? All lost, shameful !!!

[Disant]

because only Russia is responsible for all the debts and obligations of the USSR and is its legal successor in all matters.

[zenion]

"Bad" Chinese. Silk was invented, the Americans were not asked, as well as everything else. How can one put up with this. Or maybe they, by order and money from Russia, will pull the American flag and deliver the Chinese-Russian? There, Sleepwalkers will go crazy not realizing that these are different countries, although they are neighbors, and the Americans are far beyond the okyan sea.