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What will the Russian pension system be like if the Pension Fund is liquidated: reflections after Zhirinovsky's speech

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Recently, more and more often politicians and public figures talk about the need to reform the Russian pension system. Among the most discussed issues is the expediency of the very existence of the PFR - the Pension Fund of Russia.


Recently the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Vladimir Zhirinovsky predicted the possible liquidation of the Pension Fund and the transition to direct payments of pensions from the Russian budget. According to the politician, this will be facilitated by the ongoing digitalization of public life, and the PFR, as a giant bureaucratic structure, will still have to be disbanded - at least in order to save budget funds.

There is indeed a certain grain of truth in Zhirinovsky's words. Over the years of its existence, the Russian Pension Fund (PFR) has turned into a "state within a state", into a cumbersome structure with a bloated staff and exorbitant demands. People are angered by the luxurious buildings of the Pension Fund in the regions, the huge salaries of top managers of the structure against the background of the modest and even miserable size of pensions of the overwhelming majority of Russians.

But can the Russian pension system function without the PFR? And what it can be in the end.

Let's start with the fact that pension funds are not available in all countries of the world, and this structure cannot be called irreplaceable. At the same time, the abolition of the PFR at one point can lead to chaos in the pension system of citizens. The established mechanisms for organizing pension payments may be violated, delays and errors in calculations will inevitably arise.



Therefore, if we talk about the liquidation of the FIU, it is imperative to think over all the phased measures that will be taken within the framework of this process. It will not work here with a stroke of the pen: pension provision is not an area in which one can ignore the consequences that can be very significant for tens of millions of Russian pensioners, as well as young mothers and other categories dependent on pensions and various benefits. Otherwise, it can turn out to be classic: they wanted the best, it turned out as always ...

Recall that talks about the possibility of dissolving or reformatting the PFR began after, in August 2020, the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation discovered significant shortcomings and omissions in the fund's work. Then the State Duma of Russia announced the main goal of any measures in the field of pension reform - to increase the pensions of Russians to a decent size.

Unfortunately, so far the PFR has not been able to cope with this task, but on the other hand, there are no guarantees that if the functions of the fund are transferred, for example, to the bodies of social protection of the population, the pensions of Russians will be increased. Even if all the palaces and other property of the fund are sold, this will not affect the scale of pensions.

But, nevertheless, why not think about what the pension system of Russia could be without the PFR? In the absence of the fund, the responsibilities for calculating pensions and monitoring the pension system would fall on the social security authorities and the structure of the RF Ministry of Finance. But the staff of the social security agencies would have to be unambiguously increased, since in the current situation they will not be able to cope with the burden that may fall on them in the event of the abolition of the FIU.

In addition, one should not forget about non-state pension funds, to which the authorities may try to transfer part of the functions of the PFR in order to relieve themselves of the burden of supporting pensioners. The activities of NPFs, especially in Russian conditions, are fraught with numerous risks for Russian pensioners, and this circumstance, speaking of the prospects for liquidating the Pension Fund, must also be taken into account. Any non-state structures are less controlled and less reliable, and pension provision of the population is still one of the strategically important areas of activity for the state.

There is one more option that can be called undesirable: the pension system will be the same, since instead of the PFR (according to the tradition of recent reforms) a new structure can be created - with a different name, but with a similar bureaucratic apparatus, which will eventually lead to "zeroing "the desired effectiveness of the reform itself.

But this is all reasoning, and now the fact for today: the State Duma decided to prolong the "freeze" of the funded part of pensions.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 26 November 2020 14: 21
    +15
    lived to see retirement, help the country, give yourself up for animal feed ... fellow
  2. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 26 November 2020 14: 21
    +6
    The liquidation of the FIU is a correct step, but ... it is not very easy, it takes a huge amount of time to implement. I rarely agree with Zhirinovsky, but here he is Right!
    Payments directly from the budget, with the level of modern technologies - will save you Huge money!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 November 2020 15: 29
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The liquidation of the FIU is a correct step, but ... it is not very easy, it takes a huge amount of time to implement. I rarely agree with Zhirinovsky, but here he is Right!

      Well, understand our people, they wrote everything correctly, but they taught you more minuses than pluses. And you don't understand whether you like the liquidation of the FIU, or leave it as it was.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 26 November 2020 17: 36
        +2
        the fund should be left - it in conjunction with other funds should be reformed. OMS and the like are eating no less. it is necessary to reflash the entire social security system, not just one FIU.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 November 2020 18: 01
          +4
          Quote: antivirus
          it is necessary to reflash the entire social security system, not just one FIU.

          They will reflash, and the "people" who were in the FPS will remain, and after a couple of years, everything will return "to square one."
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 26 November 2020 18: 05
            +1
            populism - to disperse one office and not change the entire feeding system at the Payment Fund
            + social guarantees and subsidies - assistance to the poor,
            + all sorts of preferential assistance to the right groups

      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 27 November 2020 12: 50
        +6
        The USSR was a terrible country. There was no pension fund in it and there was no digitalization, but there were direct payments of pensions. And you don't have to be "Zhirinovsky" to know this. Vladimir Volfovich apparently recalled that his parents received "direct payments" from the state. Since he stands up for them, does it mean that these payments are "crooked" now? He also voted for the current pension reform. Or has he already "forgotten" about it?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 November 2020 14: 42
          +3
          Quote: AKuzenka
          He also voted for the current pension reform. Or has he already "forgotten" about it?

          Well, Volfovich is such a "People" - emotional, criticizes everyone and everything, and when it comes to voting, he votes "like everyone else."
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 26 November 2020 15: 43
      +21
      The past 30 years have clearly shown that whatever the bourgeois power does, the people will only get worse .. For, in principle, it cannot work for the good of people, solely for stuffing the pockets of those close to the Body ..
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 26 November 2020 18: 18
        +8
        Quote: paul3390
        The past 30 years have clearly shown that whatever the bourgeois government does, the people will only get worse

        The bourgeois power is also imprisoned so that the bourgeoisie live richly and the people poor. Marx and Engels, when the last time together they signed the preface to the Communist Manifesto (this was in 1872), considered it necessary to draw the workers' attention to the fact that the proletariat cannot simply take possession of the ready (that is, bourgeois) state machine and start it up. in a move for his own purposes, that he must break it.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 27 November 2020 05: 55
          +7
          tihonmarine - I remember a joke about "democracy" by I.V. Stalin - we here thought that democracy is the rule of the people, but President Roosevelt explained to us that democracy is the rule of the American people. fellow
          But seriously - all these current howls of people's deputies about pensions are nothing more than the start of the pre-election race. Mironov was the first to note, demanded to cancel the increase in penny age, then Zhirinovsky, wanted to liquidate the PFR, Zyuganov recently also spoke out on this topic - political corpses "came to life", the elections are coming soon .... On the topic of the article - the liquidation of the PFR for ordinary pensioners will not change anything - the entire system, political, economic, social, needs to be changed. Everything else is just an illustration to Krylov's fable "The Quartet" - "... and you friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not suitable for musicians."
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 November 2020 09: 24
            +2
            Quote: Nazar
            I remembered the joke of I.V. Stalin - we here thought that democracy is the rule of the people, but President Roosevelt explained to us that democracy is the rule of the American people.

            And before that I.V. Stalin said "Democracy is a perverted form of the bourgeois state."
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 26 November 2020 15: 45
      +7
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The liquidation of the FIU is the right step, but .....

      In my opinion, correct without any "buts".
      From my point of view, a hard worker pays a pension tax to the state all his working life (and according to statistics, 40% do not live up to retirement). This means that when he retires, the state is obliged to return at least some of the money listed for his entire working life, to this hard worker. That is, it doesn't matter what money it makes it from: from the deductions of those who still work, from the sale of oil, from the sale of weapons ... Return the money from whom you took it.
      And the pension fund binds the payment of this money only to those who work and pay to the pension fund: few payments - no money to pay pensions. This is despite the fact that this money also supports this entire apparatus.
      What am I misunderstanding?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 November 2020 16: 07
        -1
        Quote: Bad_gr
        this money also contains this entire apparatus.
        What am I misunderstanding?

        You understand everything correctly! A lot of the FIU officials will be replaced by Computers! Plus, so much real estate in the country will be vacated (PFR buildings)
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 27 November 2020 06: 03
          +3
          Hunter 2 - quote: "Computers will replace a lot of officials of the FIU!" - somehow naively, more realistic - the mass of officials of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation - will be replaced by a mass of officials of the Treasury (Well, or social protection bodies - options are possible).
          In any case, even if the liquidation of the PFR gives some kind of savings, this will not affect the size of the pensions of ordinary pensioners.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 27 November 2020 12: 20
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Plus, so much real estate in the country will be vacated (PFR buildings).

          I remember when these structures appeared in the 90s - PF, tax, they were all housed in kindergarten buildings, i.e. the number of children who would later, while working, feed pensioners, decreased, but the number of parasites on our neck increased. Mishustin may be right in translating the communication of a citizen with state structures into the plane of numbers. At least you don't have to stand at the window to get rejected. I wrote an appeal by e-mail, they also sent you by e-mail, well, at least walk, you don't need to beat your legs uselessly.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 27 November 2020 12: 55
            0
            Maybe Mishustin is right in translating the communication of a citizen with government agencies into the plane of numbers. At least you don't have to stand at the window to get rejected. I wrote an appeal by e-mail, they also sent you by e-mail, well, at least walk, you don't need to beat your legs uselessly.
            Then we must go further - generally prohibit citizens from contacting any state. structures. They are still geared towards serving a narrow segment of the population. This is what savings will come out! The truth is short-lived. But that will be a different story and a different country.
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 15: 50
      -1
      digitalization should help .. let's wait .. catch lois
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 November 2020 16: 02
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The liquidation of the FIU is a correct step, but ... it is not very easy, it takes a huge amount of time to implement.

      What are you talking about? Or maybe it is enough to set a limit on the amount of the pension? belay For example, the average salary in the region ... All this gimmick is made only to confuse pensioners. So that those last health would be given to prove their experience and did not hope that, working after officially reaching retirement age, they would enjoy equal rights with non-working pensioners ...
      It's time to expel the old senile people from the government, which are exaggerated by laws and rules that have not been tested on themselves. They have become so far removed from the people that they believe that the life of an ordinary citizen is in no way more valuable than the life of a dog or a cat of an elite breed.
    6. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 27 November 2020 12: 43
      0
      Recently the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Vladimir Zhirinovsky predicted the possible liquidation of the Pension Fund and the transition to direct payments of pensions from the Russian budget.
      Vladimir Volfovich forgot to clarify that direct payments will not go to citizens, but directly into "the right pockets of the right people." There are no pensioners on this list.
    7. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 29 November 2020 02: 04
      -1
      [quote = Hunting specialist 2] Liquidation of the FIU / quote]
      According to the Law (Federal Law "On Insolvency (Bankruptcy)" dated 26.10.2002 No. 127-FZ), only private PFs are provided for bankruptcy, not the state ...
      If a change is made to the above Law on the liquidation of the PFR, by analogy with the liquidation of private PF, how will the claims for the payment of pensions be satisfied (analogous to the current Article 186.9 of the Federal Law "On Insolvency (Bankruptcy)" dated 26.10.2002 No. 127-FZ)
      [quote] takes a huge amount of time to implement. [/ quote]
      of money....
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 26 November 2020 14: 23
    +6
    As a reminder, talks about the possibility of dissolving or reformatting the PFR began after the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation discovered significant shortcomings and omissions in the fund's work in August 2020
    They often started talking about the dissolution of the Pension Fund of Russia ... The elections are still far away ... I wonder why this idea did not arise among politicians when the decision to raise the retirement age was made?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 15: 51
      -10%
      because the dissolution will save one hundred billion rubles a year at best, and most likely in the region of a couple of tens of billions ... but the reform has saved trillions ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 November 2020 16: 04
        +6
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        but the reform allowed ... save trillions..

        .... rob every potential retiree worth a million ...
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 16: 07
          -5
          almost ... 900 rubles on average ... the only difference is that if we want to solve the problems of the economy, then we need to invest in the economy ... if the old system was preserved, money would simply be eaten without solving the problem
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 26 November 2020 16: 15
            +8
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            what if we want to solve economic problems

            What economy? Speculative thieves? More than half of Russia's GDP is collected from resale ... Yes, the problems of pensioners can be solved by just introducing a progressive taxation scale for super profits ... and not those above 5 rubles per year, and not an increase of 000% ... Look at taxation in developed countries ... Why on earth provides for high pay for idlers and parasites in the country's budget? After all, why should the country care about the fate of Naina Iosifovna and the HMS? There is no more worthy people in the country?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 16: 16
              -3
              remind me how much money the supplement was supposed to spend every year to provide the pension system?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 26 November 2020 16: 19
                +2
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                remind me how much money the supplement was supposed to spend every year to provide the pension system?

                Pick up the "mouse" and follow the cursor, and on my wedding day at the end of the seventh decade, do not ask me to work ... I already have enough of it ...
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 16: 26
                  -6
                  um .. is this such a weak attempt at "I have no idea what I'm writing"? It always touches when the "experts" start to merge under the "genius" reasons in the style of "I'm very old and I have a holiday today!" .. thanks, laugh ... your drain is counted)
    2. Nazar
      Nazar 27 November 2020 06: 12
      0
      Lesovik - it's not so far from the elections - Mironov, Zhirinovsky and Zyuganov - all the trio squealed about pensions at once - they have already started.
      And so - the "food supply" is narrowing, the pigs begin to push in earnest at the trough, someone apparently decided to crush the pension feeder for themselves. "Reforms" in the government, the transfer of a number of structures to VEB - from the same opera.
  4. Crowe
    Crowe 26 November 2020 14: 23
    +9
    Over the years of its existence, the Russian Pension Fund (PFR) has turned into a "state within a state", into a cumbersome structure with a bloated staff and exorbitant demands. People are angered by the luxurious buildings of the Pension Fund in the regions, the huge salaries of top managers of the structure against the background of the modest and even miserable size of pensions of the overwhelming majority of Russians.

    And there is.
    The activities of NPFs, especially in Russian conditions, are fraught with numerous risks for Russian pensioners, and this circumstance, speaking of the prospects for liquidating the Pension Fund, must also be taken into account. Any non-state structures are less controlled and less reliable

    Enough to lie so frankly to the whole country, there is not enough evil.
  5. Svarog
    Svarog 26 November 2020 14: 24
    +14
    What will the Russian pension system be like if the Pension Fund is liquidated: reflections after Zhirinovsky's speech


    Sometimes, of course, the right thoughts arise in him, but it is the right thoughts that do not find application in reality. PFR gaskets should not exist, this is unambiguous.
    But, nevertheless, why not think about what the pension system of Russia could be without the PFR? In the absence of the fund, the responsibilities for calculating pensions and monitoring the pension system would fall on the social security authorities and the structure of the RF Ministry of Finance. But the staff of the social security agencies would have to be unambiguously increased, since in the current situation they will not be able to cope with the burden that may fall on them in the event of the abolition of the FIU.

    I do not understand what the load is ... that the staff needs to be increased, now the machine and the program take over the whole load.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 26 November 2020 15: 15
      +11
      On the one hand, Putin says there is not enough money for pensions and is starting a pension "reform". And on the other:
      luxurious buildings of the Pension Fund in the regions, huge salaries of top managers of the structure

      In our country, the king in his state generally cannot (does not want) to establish order?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 26 November 2020 15: 45
        +3
        And he is not a king. He is the zits-chairman. Successfully promoted PR project ..
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 26 November 2020 17: 01
          +1
          Quote: paul3390
          And he is not a king. He is the zits-chairman. Successfully promoted PR project ..

          as the "family" ruled, and so does ...
  6. sav
    sav 26 November 2020 14: 24
    +19
    The State Duma decided to prolong the "freeze" of the funded part of pensions

    They just postpone the problem "for later"
  7. deniso
    deniso 26 November 2020 14: 25
    +4
    And if Zhirinovsky again has a worm of reformism in one place, then let it be better to make a proposal to reduce the State Duma deputies who receive wages from the budget.
    Leave their number at 10% of the total.
    How it is done in the legislative bodies of the Subjects of the Federation.
    In fact, more than 10% do not work there seriously ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 November 2020 17: 56
      0
      World experience shows that too small parliaments are tame, they are appendages of the executive power.
  8. deniso
    deniso 26 November 2020 14: 29
    +10


    Zhirinovsky spoke about the proposed liquidation of the Pension Fund ...

    .... the creation of a pension fund was imposed by the IMF in the early nineties, which was done by the EBN drunk
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 26 November 2020 15: 00
      0
      Nevertheless, through the lips of Zhirinovsky, he speaks the truth. As always. But will they listen?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 26 November 2020 16: 08
        +2
        Quote: Sergey39
        Nevertheless, through the lips of Zhirinovsky, he speaks the truth. As always. But will they listen?

        The course of our government, domestic and foreign policy changes according to the mood (by the ringing of the dog's chain), therefore, even the statements of the VVZh sometimes hit the bull's-eye.
  9. Odysseus
    Odysseus 26 November 2020 14: 31
    +8
    The clown Zhirinovsky is usually instructed to voice those wishes of the authorities that they do not yet dare to pronounce directly. Well, this is in addition to PR for the electorate-like wash boots in the Indian Ocean, or every woman, a man.
    So it looks like the idea to end the grandiose scam called "Pension Fund" by a full cut and the closure of the institution is wandering in the minds of the authorities.
    Only no one will restore the normal system that existed before this "market reform" (and which is in no way connected with any "digitalization"). It was not for this that the pensioners were thrown off the budget in order to return them there again. But to close this office and open a new one, or create a new scam, as with funded pensions it is always welcome.
  10. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 26 November 2020 14: 50
    +2
    By and large, the role of the PFR is now only in the "calculation" of pensions, collection of papers and some kind of arbitration of some issues. Calculation functions can be replaced with interaction through services. The procedures with human participation should be given to the MFC, the operators there are uninterested persons, in contrast to the local branches of the Pension Fund of Russia, who are "lowered" recommendations to dare the people from normal calculations and collecting certificates (my uncle recently ran for a year, proved that he worked as a additional payment to the pension for 30 years of experience, but no, you what, everyone who wants to immediately will not be given these pennies).
  11. Gene84
    Gene84 26 November 2020 14: 51
    +32
    What will the Russian pension system be like if the Pension Fund is liquidated?

    Again, they are preparing some nasty stuff for pensioners ...
  12. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 26 November 2020 15: 25
    +3
    But this is all reasoning, and now the fact for today: the State Duma decided to prolong the "freeze" of the funded part of pensions.
    Get out. Russian pensioners did not live well and it is not necessary, and those who retire and do not need to live. Reforms in modern Russia have never been painless for the common population, but here the PFR should be disbanded, reformed and so on ... Maybe it’s elementary to put things in order in the Pension Fund of Russia. Yes, hardly, the hand washes his hand.
  13. rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 26
    +4
    I say and will say that it is necessary to create the State Bank of Russia, similar to the Reichsbank in the time of the Furrer, without any minority shareholders! Where could employers' money be saved for their employees (future pensions) and private traders (individual entrepreneurs and "self-employed") + civil servants (% of wages, p) for subsequent payments on a special scale (who contributed how much to GOSBANK). And that's it !!! The PFR is a semi-private structure in the form of a venture fund, which has already "prokokok" loot in the interests of some individuals more than once, and not twice, throughout the 20-year reign of the Brigadier.
  14. Egg
    Egg 26 November 2020 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: rruvim
    Where employers' money could be saved for their employees (future pensions) and private traders

    But what about inflation and the periodic collapse of the ruble? Wages do not rise so dramatically and purchasing power falls much faster than wages rise. Against this background, no savings will be able to provide at least some kind of pension. I don’t know how our servants calculate inflation, but the very first trip to the store refutes their 4%, even the first glance at the main products speaks of a minimum of 20%, and if you look at real estate prices, then up to 40% over the past six months comes.
  15. bar
    bar 26 November 2020 15: 47
    +5
    Vladimir Zhirinovsky predicted a possible liquidation of the Pension Fund and a transition to direct payments of pensions from the Russian budget.

    And he is absolutely right. There was no Pension Fund in the USSR, and there were more pensioners than now. And there was no smell of "digitalization", the Treasury managed to communicate everything without computers. And this laying on the way from the budget to pensioners, which has built mansions for itself all over the country, is not needed by anyone except herself.
  16. svoit
    svoit 26 November 2020 15: 58
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    now the machine and the program take over the whole load.

    So maybe you don't need to do anything, but just cut the staff 10 times and the salary 3-5 times.
  17. Tektor
    Tektor 26 November 2020 17: 43
    0
    With the transition to the digital ruble, it will become possible to abandon the pension fund, the functions of which can be taken over by the offices of "My Documents" and the Post Bank.
  18. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 November 2020 17: 48
    0
    What will the Russian pension system be like?

    Will it ? what request
    I would like to believe in the best.
  19. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 26 November 2020 18: 29
    +3
    why in the USSR there was no pension fund, computers and bases for calculating fast and not stressful, but there were much more people in the country, and everything worked? and now as many as 100000 people consider their pension ..
  20. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 26 November 2020 19: 39
    +4
    Quote: antivirus
    leave the fund

    I agree!
    It is necessary to continue to feed 124 employees, maintain palaces and cozy nests of officials (one Drozd apartment costs 000 rubles) who, at the end of 250, received profit from the placement of pension savings, 000 times less than the Norwegian pension fund (the state is slightly more than 000 person).
  21. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 26 November 2020 20: 33
    +4
    The money was stolen, the circus fled.

    Remember the phrase - there is no money, but you hold on - this is how it will be ...

    Putin personally appointed the PF Director ...
  22. Observer2014
    Observer2014 26 November 2020 21: 23
    +1
    the expediency of the very existence of the PFR - the Pension Fund of Russia.
    bully I will even bring flowers to the grave of these Russian bran (RPF) wassat drinks Slag. Unnecessary in general. A bank card is issued. At birth, for every citizen of the Russian Federation. It is activated at the time of his reaching retirement age, illness, life situation ..... etc. and so on. Everything !!!!! How to feed us parasites!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 26 November 2020 21: 52
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      the expediency of the very existence of the PFR - the Pension Fund of Russia.
      bully I will even bring flowers to the grave of these Russian bran (RPF) wassat drinks Slag. Unnecessary in general. A bank card is issued. At birth, for every citizen of the Russian Federation. It is activated at the time of his reaching retirement age, illness, life situation ..... etc. and so on. Everything !!!!! How to feed us parasites!

      Forgot to add. Take cash out of circulation altogether!
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 27 November 2020 16: 02
      0
      It was cool, but what country do we live in and what kind of logic do those who manage this money live? Different universes are simple.
  23. basal
    basal 26 November 2020 21: 36
    +3
    My mother has eaten my baldness whether her pension is paid correctly. I requested an extract from the FIU. Got. He showed me ... My mother is a neurosurgeon, a Veteran of Labor, with more than half a century of continuous experience, and upon discharge, she worked for barely 10 years. Moreover, the labor one with all the records, starting from the 60s, is on hand. It is clear that all work activity is official, there is no other way for a doctor. And now we all unanimously regret the FIU. Well, how is he all in the works, cares about us unreasonable. Yes, such an FIU for the country will be more terrible than a covid with other oncology.
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 26 November 2020 22: 15
    +4
    The moaning is very similar to the arguments against the closure of legal casinos: "These are jobs! We pay rent to officials, and Baturina personally - sheer benefit!"
    All this is sly. It is completely painless: all the assets of the FIU go to the treasury, databases, along with their users, go to the Ministry of Finance and Social Security.
    Tables and chairs - by the number of remaining h ... ts. Surplus buildings, and transport - to doctors.
    The bosses will go to the garden (unless a different place is determined where the gardens do not grow, but this individual approach is needed for a couple of years in the cold, and for some 10).
  25. Roman070280
    Roman070280 27 November 2020 10: 07
    +7
    Pure populism ..
    First, a crook steals your wallet every day.
    Then he comes to you, and begins to advise himself where it is better to hide this wallet so that it is more intact .. But, wherever you hide - the loss of money does not stop ..
    And so for 30 years ..
    And the crook keeps on giving advice and complaining about the failures ..
  26. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 November 2020 11: 29
    +1
    Strange ... When it comes to eliminating PF - "you have to foresee the consequences, it's not that simple" ...
    And when billions and trillions of rubles earned by people disappear into the depths of the Pension Fund, when each new "reform" nullifies savings and money disappears in an unknown direction, there is no need to foresee the consequences, everything is simple. They took it away from everyone and divided it up among themselves.
    Idyll
  27. Elturisto
    Elturisto 27 November 2020 13: 15
    +1
    Zhirik doesn't do anything for nothing, his father is a Lawyer ... Most likely the PFR will simply become private or private, do we have few lawyers' children? They also need to eat 7 children from Abramovich and each needs a yacht and a football club, you have to understand ...
  28. qaz
    qaz 27 November 2020 13: 28
    +1
    Any non-state structures are less controlled and less reliable


    Eeeeee ... Ie state structures oh how reliable? I remember the Sberbank of the USSR and how overnight a colossal amount of money in savings books of citizens of the USSR turned into garbage. Reliability is above the roof. I am already silent about the present time.
  29. evgen1221
    evgen1221 27 November 2020 15: 56
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    That’s what the sanctions are doing — the feed base is tightly shrinking, plus the covid, and the oil industry is in negative territory with the flow, the Cubyshka for purchases and games of the Central Bank looks like that. But it’s hard to squeeze your appetite and they don’t know how to do something for a long time. So we decide to slaughter the lamb of the FIU (these have always been able to count in their favor). Leaders from the 90s have grown up, they don't know how and don't want to.
  30. Alexander Ivanov_8
    Alexander Ivanov_8 27 November 2020 22: 34
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    Well, Zhirinovsky is not the first to talk about this. He keeps his nose to the wind, so there is likely to be some talk at the top. This monster, the RPF, is long overdue to destroy, but so that he can be reborn under a different name. And God forbid us from private pension shops! Are you still full of effective managers?
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  34. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 30 November 2020 09: 13
    +2
    So everything else is okay?
    That which should be given to the paw of the employee of the pension fund, that he would accurately calculate the pension payments - this is "normal". Otherwise, they will cheat - since the task is to minimize payments from the pension fund.