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World sports under the American yoke. Consequences of the "Rodchenkov Act"

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Source: cyclingnews.com


WADA is not RADA


The American side was initially very unhappy with the overly mild reaction of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to the scandalous testimony of the fugitive Rodchenkov. In addition to punishment, Russia required (as it seemed to Washington) even harsher measures. There were also disagreements with WADA over the division of spheres of influence. As a result, it seemed quite logical for the congressmen to extend their internal criminal law to the entire sports world.

The very appearance of the Rodchenkov Anti-Doping Act (or RADA) raises many questions. From the moment this act was approved by the President of the United States (no one doubts this anymore), the US intelligence services will be able to legally detain sports functionaries and managers, fine up to $ 1 million, and even imprison them for 10 years. Naturally, this will require proof of the use of doping. According to American methods and with the involvement of American specialists and laboratories.

The law mentions systemic “doping schemes” and “doping fraud”. It is designed to bring the heads of sports departments to justice. The Senate argues that athletes will not be punished for doping. Since, first of all, those who forced the athletes to use prohibited drugs will go under the press.

Dopingmans for confiscation


However, it will be quite possible to bring a doping athlete to criminal responsibility.

When one country is taken to administer a criminal court around the world, the hapless athletes will have few lawyers. Given the prevalence of United States allies around the world, many athletes will generally be barred from traveling outside their own country.

In addition to imprisonment and a huge fine, those convicted under the "Rodchenkov Act" may also face confiscation of property in favor of the United States.

World sports under the American yoke. Consequences of the "Rodchenkov Act"
Grigory Rodchenkov

Aggressive extraterritoriality


The second important aspect of the punitive initiative of the legislators from Washington was the actual removal of the notorious WADA from the case. The Rodchenkov Act replaces the anti-doping agency, seriously increasing the punishment for abuse of prohibited chemicals.

Initially, WADA, like the International Olympic Committee, was strongly opposed to RADA. But then they unexpectedly accepted him, although not without reservations. In particular, the agency does not welcome this law, but will not hinder its implementation.

A very two-faced position of the main anti-doping organization in the world. Vitold Banka, head of the agency, said in this regard:

“WADA is ready to cooperate with the American authorities to minimize the negative consequences of the“ Rodchenkov Act ”.

Initially, the agency was not satisfied with the extraterritoriality of the law, which could undermine the global sports system.

If the United States can bring doping under its own criminal law, then why not, for example, China or European countries? Moreover, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland and Spain already have similar laws. But they are limited exclusively to the limits of internal boundaries.

Hypothetically, the massive adoption of similar laws by other countries will cause an intractable collapse, when the special services of different states will simply hunt for individuals from sports. Lawsuits, extraditions, ultimatums and other criminal fights will become the main hallmarks of sports. This is exactly what WADA thought when they discussed the prospects of the "act of Grigory Rodchenkov."

But now WADA has suddenly changed their minds.

Exceptional "no doping" people


History the confrontation between WADA and American sports developed around the actual integrity of the latter.

Are there many rumored doping scandals related to the NBA, NHL, American baseball or football? All reports from USADA (United States National Anti-Doping Agency) record the suspicious chemical purity of their own athletes.

At the same time, Washington does not allow external experts to participate in the most high-budget national sports. By the way, about the same thing is happening with the US electoral system - any external independent observation is strongly discouraged.

When WADA gave a hint about the control of professional sports leagues in the United States, it immediately received a notice of the withdrawal of the Americans from the agency. Washington is (by tradition) the main filler of the joint budget in almost all companies. And this is what seriously tempered the ardor of anti-doping commissioners.

As a result, the mentioned Vitold Banka agreed not to touch the industry of sports shows for Americans. And he reluctantly accepted the "Rodchenkov act."

Pact "one Yankees in someone else's stadium"


Any international competition in which at least one US citizen is present is subject to this law.

It is likely that this very only Yankee may be a mere spectator.

At the same time, the restrictions do not apply to professional or even student sports leagues within the US country.

Obviously, absolutely all American competitions (in which only Americans participate and it is on their own territory) are by default held exclusively without at least some kind of doping?


Source: wikimedia.org

The lobby took Rodchenkov's sword away from the Yankees


In one of the first versions of the RADA law, North American lawyers still provided for the extension of criminal liability to their own athletes. But the lobbies, in the hands of which multibillion-dollar revenues from national sports shows, sent the project in time for revision.

Very precise comments on this aspect of the "Rodchenkov Act" were previously voiced in WADA:

“We are wondering why this bill excludes a significant portion of American sports. If the law isn't good enough for American sports, why is it good for the rest of the world? "


Source: sportsintegrityinitiative.com

And their basketball was completely exempted from doping tests


Threats to cut off vital funding, however, have left the question rhetorical.

A small reference about the "cleanest" sport in the world. Up to 80% of American baseball league players use anabolic steroids regularly.

The famous baseball player Jose Canseco wrote about this in his book Juiced. Where he mentioned that the only season in his sports career took place without "chemistry" in 1998. Canseco then himself gave up steroids, citing divorce proceedings. And there is still no talk of any subsequent "act of Canseco".

For example, in 2018 there were only nine doping tests in the American Football League.

And in basketball, they decided to abandon such a troublesome procedure altogether.

How to respond to RADA?


Despite the fact that the "Rodchenkov act" is aimed primarily at eliminating WADA, and not at Russia, domestic sports will have to somehow adapt.

The Kremlin's reaction in this situation is quite understandable. Dmitry Peskov commented:

“In Russia, he is extremely critical of any US attempts to extend its jurisdiction to other countries. Such cross-border practice does not suit us, we do not agree with it. Apart from concern, this can cause nothing. "

The lawmakers of Russia expressed themselves more sharply. Elena Panina, member of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs, said:

"Given the vagueness of the" doping codes ", any coach or manager can go to an American prison, whose ward has outstripped the American in the competition ... And it is possible that, as a result, US athletes will compete exclusively with themselves."

The participation of athletes from Russia in competitions marked by the American criminal yoke can now damage the reputation of the domestic sport. It is one thing to be under the control of the international authorized organization WADA, and quite another to compete in fear of American justice.

A full ratification of the "Rodchenkov Act" will virtually kill modern sport as we knew it. Was there a lot of good things in this very international sport?


Source: barbend.com

Pseudo-olympism


The competition has turned into explicit show programming with gigantic advertising contracts and broadcast payouts. Has sport become a driver of a healthy lifestyle among the population? And here by - now any novice athlete understands that with banned chemistry it is much easier to become a champion. At the same time, moral and material bonuses will more than cover the loss of health. Everyone knows that the portrait of a typical fan has nothing to do with the image of a healthy lifestyle person.

The coronavirus is more likely to lead humanity to take care of its body and spirit than the Olympic Games or the World Cup.

Is it worth at all to participate now in international similarities of competitions, taking into account all of the above? Or is it more expedient to find like-minded countries and organize your own format?

We can somehow manage without the pseudo-Olympic games, but we cannot do without a healthy national sport.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 27 November 2020 04: 20
    +24
    If our athletes compete under the white flag of WADA, I will simply stop watching this disgrace, I see that some of our sports celebrities have caved in under this organization and under the Americans too ... They completely forgot about their country and look more into their pockets. World sports as we knew under the USSR is dying before our eyes, turning into a similar economy of the Anglo-Saxons ... Disgrace.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 27 November 2020 07: 01
      +38
      Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
      World sports as we knew under the USSR is dying before our eyes
      HE died a long time ago, and now it just stinks. As for not looking, I didn't, but what the fuck is it?
      Our athletes have long been not ours, but global, so to speak, and their homeland is not the Russian Federation, but a wallet, preferably stuffed tight.
      After the American disgrace in Salt Lake City, when they simply insolently began to reward themselves with the SECOND sets of gold medals, it became clear that world sports had died. Even then, our functionaries had to think about whether it was necessary to continue to participate in this farce? But no, we have the same functionaries from sports are tightly on dollar doping. But even then it was necessary to think about the creation of some kind of parallel and independent of the Amerzos Olympic movement. Yes, even if we competed there only with athletes from the DPRK, Iran and Syria, well, maybe also the PRC, so what? Slowly, little by little, everyone else would have begun to join. But it would be at least some kind of alternative to the shame that the United States has turned world sports and the Olympic movement. Here, as they say, whoever pays for a girl dances her. So the Amerzos will not see doping in their broilers point-blank, but they will even consider what they did not have in their rivals. And if they do not consider it, they will introduce another delusional ban on anything. The same notorious meldonium. Well, not meldonium will say that we run in the wrong sneakers, we must run in sneakers, and their athletes will be given sneakers with a propeller.
      To be honest, looking at this shame is disgusting and disgusting, so the second Olympic Games are already flying past me. And athletes, it's not about sports, it's just about grandmothers, so there is no patriotism, but a purely mercantile business. And all these shouts that it is necessary to go and defend Russia even under the WHITE flag, these are fairy tales about "patriotism" for suckers. They protect themselves there and their loved ones and their contracts, including advertising, and these are grandmothers and very big.
      So there is nothing for our athletes to take offense at the harassment from WADA, you yourself rush there for the money, well, don't cry when the owners beat you on the hands and point out your place in the queue to the trough.
      1. Civil
        Civil 27 November 2020 15: 10
        +5
        1.They themselves accepted Western rules, moved away from mass sports to elite ones.
        2. For an athlete - a millionaire, who should he play for, the main thing is the amount of the fee.
        3. Western corporations are the main sponsors of big tournaments.
        4. There is nothing for our raw material companies to pay for the activities of hockey players (they just watch how to hit the road to America or buy second-rate Finns / Swedes instead of young people) or football players there (the results are mediocre, and behave like the prima ballerinas of the Mariinsky Imperial Theater under a marathon).
        5. To improve physical education, yes, I must admit, a lot is being done, but still only for a select circle of people.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 2 December 2020 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        To be honest, looking at this shame is disgusting and disgusting

        I agree with you in everything, but if you allow me - this is also a show of lawyers and pharmacists, it really makes no sense to watch.
    2. Gene84
      Gene84 27 November 2020 11: 27
      +25
      The image of a Soviet citizen was inextricably linked with sports. In the Soviet Union, health promotion was ingenious and extremely effective. Now they are also promoting a healthy lifestyle, but somehow sluggishly, not effectively. Plus, do not forget that Soviet athletes were more patriotic, not in words, but in deeds, in contrast to today's. As for WADA, the organization directly depends on the Americans and conducts its "sports" policy to please the United States.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 27 November 2020 16: 07
        0
        Quote: Gene84
        Plus, do not forget that Soviet athletes were more patriotic, not in words, but in deeds, unlike today.

        I have been familiar with sports for a long time both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation - and even many times I was a medalist and champion of Russia among veterans. Here's what I learned from this experience:
        1) And in the USSR, athletes were not always "patriotic" - the example of Protopopov and Belousova confirms this.
        2) Doping has been, is and will be - as in the whole world. When used reasonably and under the control of doctors, doping can preserve the health of an athlete. We have a monstrous spread of doping (more precisely, anabolic steroids) among amateurs - and this area is completely out of control. Only professionals are held by the gills. And it would be necessary to especially focus on children and women, and not on the pros. An amateur will do without "vitamins", for women and children they are really dangerous, but the pros would be dying without them. In addition, high-performance sports are harmful even without anabolic steroids, and a person who runs the risk of becoming disabled from sports has the right to decide what to swallow or inject. The state does not prevent a person from working in a mine or in hazardous production - so why does it interfere in matters of pharmaceutical support?
        3) A person who is caught on, say, testosterone esters, will not "tie", but switch to something that is not detected: say, insulin or / and growth hormone. And this is much more dangerous. Is it worth provoking an athlete to this?
        Summary: the issues of doping are very acute and do not have an unambiguous solution. They are highly politicized. It is necessary to distinguish between the problems of doping in professional, on the one hand, and amateur (especially women's and children's) sports.
        I once jotted down notes about modern sports and doping. Anyone interested in this topic? I can send it in a personal or suggest for publication on the "Military Review".
        1. Uran53
          Uran53 27 November 2020 20: 16
          +3
          And you first work in hazardous production! People work there, because so far they have not been able to automate everything. And the state, by the way, forces the employer to either eliminate the harmfulness altogether, or reduce it to an acceptable level with compensation for harm to the health of workers. In general, it became uninteresting to watch sports, because there is a competition between pharmaceutical companies, and not athletes. It's like comparing Soviet Doctor's sausage with a modern "product".
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 28 November 2020 11: 04
            +4
            Quote: Uran53
            And you first work in hazardous production!
            Thanks for the valuable advice. For three decades I have worked on this, and even now we are surrounded by technologies that are not the most useful for health. Everything is the same as it was more than forty years ago when I started working. Somewhere a little better, somewhere it got worse.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 28 November 2020 12: 01
          +24
          Quote: astepanov
          I can send it in a personal message or suggest it for publication on the Military Review.

          It would be interesting to read. I think the publication was posted on the VO and the forum users discussed it. The topic is interesting.
      2. victor50
        victor50 27 November 2020 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: Gene84
        Now they also promote a healthy lifestyle, but somehow sluggishly, not effectively

        In drug advertising? Or yoghurt? laughing
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2020 00: 03
        -1
        Therefore, probably in the factories, the men were drinking right at work)))) Go try some booze now, they will throw it out right away
    3. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 27 November 2020 17: 01
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      If our athletes compete under the white flag of WADA, I will simply stop watching this disgrace


      Laughter, laughter, but that's how it is, and it looks like it will continue.
  2. Far B
    Far B 27 November 2020 04: 56
    +22
    Was there a lot of good things in this very international sport?
    Yes nifiga good is gone. Loot drives. Now there are only two ways - either to allow everyone to openly take doping and really get fucked up by how chess players jump 37 meters wide; or to disperse everything and everyone to hell, and on the rubble to re-create everything from scratch, from an amateur level, not allowing the Williams brothers (tennis) or any muzhebab (athletics) to compete. The results, of course, will be completely different, but from the very beginning the revival of the Olympic movement was conceived as promoting a healthy lifestyle. And in today's sport of the highest achievements from a healthy lifestyle, not even a hint has remained.
    By the way, you can combine both options, when some competitions will be held for normal athletes, and others - such as the MONSTERS tournament. Something like a thrash show.
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 05: 14
      +9
      World sports under the American yoke

      There was no need to ruin Russian science. American diktat in sports is based on the scientific and technological superiority of the United States in the field of sports pharmaceuticals. The Russian Papuans from the sports bureaucracy cannot oppose this at all, and therefore they ruined Russian sports. COVID is also technological superiority (signs of biological weapons) and the pandemic looks like a large-scale test of it. It will only get worse. Salvation lies only in science and its priority over the economy of financial speculators and oil ciliates.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 13: 22
        +2
        U.S. excellence in sports pharmaceuticals
        Maybe then pharmacologists play games good Throwing test tubes, running from a fire in a lab, relay race with a tray of dry ice wassat
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 28 November 2020 17: 24
        +2
        First, the benefits of anabolic steroids are not at all as great as people think. In the 100 meter race, 10,0 was achieved before the anabolic era; Jesse Owens jumped 8 meters in length back in 1935. But since then, elastic treadmills, light spikes have appeared, pole vaulters have changed from bamboo poles to fiberglass and then to carbon fiber. Even in the barbell, progress was associated with improved technique: rigid barbell bars were replaced by elastic ones. Finally, the technique of performing the exercises was improved: weightlifters switched from a squat "to scissors" to a more effective "split", high jumpers changed "scissors" to "wave", then "roll" and "cross-over" and, finally, began to jump "with their backs ". The methods of training, methods of recovery, selection of the most talented were improved. And progress in results (relatively small) is associated with the above, and not with pharmacology.
        Anabolics provide a very small advantage, but it allows you to become a winner and break the bank. To believe that there are "chemical monsters" is fundamentally wrong. In any case, the decisive condition is talent and hard work. And people are amazingly talented. I knew a girl who was not at all like a monster, who squatted with a barbell under 300 kg with her own weight of 68 kg - and I knew men - "chemists" with a weight of over a hundred who could barely cope with two hundred kilograms. But this girl had good coaches, good genetics and good brains.
        And anabolics - well, in the United States, a huge number of men after 50 years of age receive steroid hormones for medical reasons - with the formulation "to improve the quality of life." And they have higher intelligence, better joint health, longer strength. Therefore, anabolic steroids are not an absolute evil, but, like everything else, should be used wisely, as needed and under medical supervision.
        I note that there are also sports in which no doping is needed: why do high jumpers need doping? They are almost never caught on it. He is not needed by skaters and in general wherever filigree coordination, flexibility and precise technique are at the forefront. Perhaps the most "anabolic" sport is bodybuilding, but, in my opinion, it is not a sport at all, but the cultivation of a meat breed of people devoid of flexibility, endurance and clumsy, for whom it is most important to indulge their own daffodils complex. But bodybuilding is not on the Olympic program.
        And about the Americans: no, they do not dominate world sports. They dominate the dictates of their terms. And in arenas, they quickly deflate, as soon as someone bypasses them. Once they were the best weightlifters and high jumpers in the world - but as soon as our leaders appeared there, the striped ones disappeared forever.
    2. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 27 November 2020 05: 17
      +2
      By the way, you can combine both options, when some competitions will be held for normal athletes, and others - such as the MONSTERS tournament. Something like a thrash show.

      It will not work to combine. The mass fan will go to a more spectacular monster tournament. And where the viewer is, there is money. As a result, the right sport, in contrast to the unlimited, will not pay for itself and wither away from lack of money without external financial support. At best, it will become a humble amateur hobby for body and soul.
    3. Varyag71
      Varyag71 27 November 2020 07: 49
      +3
      Allow all kinds of doping, I want to look at mutants.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 27 November 2020 09: 13
        0
        Quote: Varyag71
        Allow all kinds of doping, I want to look at mutants.

        There is no need for extremes, in my opinion, doping is needed, which allows you to recover, support the athlete and even build up his muscle mass, because prof. sports are incredible loads. And everything that causes euphoria in an athlete, dulls pain reflexes, etc. should be banned. Then the Norwegian skiers will suddenly turn out to be not so fast, etc.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 27 November 2020 09: 47
          +2
          There is no longer sports, there is now competition from pharmaceutical companies. So let the mutants grow. People are happy.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 27 November 2020 11: 01
            +1
            Quote: Varyag71
            There is no longer sports, there is now competition from pharmaceutical companies.

            A lot of money is spinning, they kill everything.
    4. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 11: 59
      +1
      originally revival of the Olympic movement
      Initially, the ancient Greek Olympic athletes completely legally drank a decoction of ephedra.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 November 2020 05: 13
    +10
    “We are wondering why this bill excludes a significant portion of American sports. If the law isn't good enough for American sports, why is it good for the rest of the world? "

    And we wonder why the United States has arrogated to itself the right to control the organization of the Olympic Games and how long will the countries of the Eastern Hemisphere dance to this American saxophone?
    1. Far B
      Far B 27 November 2020 05: 25
      +17
      All the countries of the Eastern Hemisphere should not be rowed with the same brush))) China won the team competition by a large margin at the home Olympics in 2008, to everyone's surprise, and there, too, it was clearly not without large-scale doping. But the Americans are still in no hurry to open their mouths on this topic on China. Because China will not "express concern", but will muddy some real mark. This is such a clear demonstration of the country's political weight in the international arena. Gone are the days when the Soviet Union joked about the last, 747th Chinese warning. Now our management is doing this. Disgracers.
      1. c2020
        c2020 27 November 2020 05: 47
        -3
        Sport of the highest achievements is, first of all, an indicator of the military power of the state. From the very beginning, the Olympic Games were a competition of the strongest Greek warriors. The current situation with Russian sports is not an indicator of military power, but of pitiful liquid snot. No matter how the TV bawlers spread their fingers, Russian sport today is like a pitiful whining insignificance, not a victorious warrior.
        1. Far B
          Far B 27 November 2020 06: 02
          +8
          High performance sport is, first of all, an indicator of the military power of the state
          A very controversial statement. During these times, the countries of victorious socialism demonstrated very decent results at the same Olympic Games. But their armies, taken separately, were very so-so. So it’s not about the military power of the state. It's just that in the socialist system, sports training was really accessible to all, and the great coaches had a place to select great talents from. Now there are no big coaches, no publicly available sports training system. But there are vigorous bonby and other wunderwales, which allows our leaders to talk about the military power of the state. Well, the power is there, of course. Only now everything else is going to hell. And when it rolls down completely, then naturally the power will disappear, because it will not have something to base on. And then, honestly looking into our eyes and spreading our arms to the side, the big uncles will tell us: "Well, they didn’t shmogli. But we still tried. We ask you to be understanding."
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 27 November 2020 09: 15
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And we wonder why the United States has arrogated to itself the right to control the organization of the Olympic Games and how long will the countries of the Eastern Hemisphere dance to this American saxophone?

      Whoever dines on a girl dances her. The US is doing absolutely right, they mostly run this almshouse, so why should they not enjoy the privileges? There can be no other way in the world of money.
    3. victor50
      victor50 27 November 2020 19: 06
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And we wonder why the United States has arrogated to itself the right to control the organization of the Olympic Games and how long will the countries of the Eastern Hemisphere dance to this American saxophone?

      And what is the question to ask here? Are we ready to answer seriously and painfully? Ha! Only mild misunderstanding and bewilderment are able to express, fearing to overdo it even with indignation!
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2020 05: 55
    +4
    Sport, now business and nothing personal.
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 27 November 2020 06: 24
      +4
      Judging by the results of our football clubs in European competitions, businessmen from them are also so-so. This is some kind of quiet horror.
    2. Far B
      Far B 27 November 2020 06: 26
      +4
      how is it nothing personal? laughing How did our football players at Euro 2016 stand on the field on foot while they were being smeared? This is just the same personal: personally, they couldn't resist running for a small bribe for the honor of the country. Here in the clubs where the real loot is dripping into your pocket, you can run around. True, it seems that nowadays they are already running to the scrap in the clubs - but why, since the loot is still dripping? laughing
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 27 November 2020 06: 49
        +4
        It's time to remake Chaif's song, "what a pain, Serbia-Russia 5: 0". But there was time for the Brazilians to win at Maracana.
        1. Bi-mac
          Bi-mac 27 November 2020 15: 17
          +3
          Yes, this, consider the end for our team ... Only Dzyuba could delay it ((
      2. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 27 November 2020 08: 15
        +2
        Here in the clubs where the real loot is dripping into your pocket, you can run around. True, it seems that nowadays they are already running to the scrap in the clubs - but why, since the loot is still dripping?
        Judging by the results in the Champions League and LE of Russian clubs, only loot is dripping, they don't even walk across the field. smile
  5. Pavel73
    Pavel73 27 November 2020 06: 27
    +3
    The Americans are certainly bullshit. They themselves eat this doping in buckets. If not for them, we would not even know the word "doping". They make them themselves, they allow themselves, they themselves eat, and compete with themselves. But to be honest, they are not very guilty. World sport itself has long been at an impasse. People have long gone to the limit of physical capabilities. After which, or chemistry, or death at a distance from overstrain. And who needs such a sport, after which they carry it away on a stretcher or even bury it ... And what to do now, I just can't imagine :(
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 06: 32
      +5
      Sport, now business and nothing personal.

      Well, in Russia, I would call it more accurately - not business, but theft. The main money for sports is stolen for the construction of sports complexes that no one needs, that is, money is poured into concrete. This is theft under the guise of a construction business. And money for sports should first of all go to salaries for coaches, athletes and sports doctors.

      During these times, the countries of victorious socialism demonstrated very decent results at the same Olympic Games. But their armies, taken separately, were very so-so.

      Why should they be considered separately? This is manipulation and distortion. It is correct to regard the armies of the countries of victorious socialism as a single fist. A powerful military fist and, accordingly, a powerful victorious sport. And now Russian sport is a demonstration of helpless snot.
      1. Far B
        Far B 27 November 2020 06: 38
        0
        Why should they be considered separately?
        But because here (your words, bold - mine):
        Elite sport is, first of all, an indicator of military power state
        After all, it is about the state (singular number), and not about some kind of "fist of countries", isn't it?
        1. c2020
          c2020 27 November 2020 07: 05
          -1
          not?

          not. Sophistry - the use of sophisms in a discussion; substitution of concepts.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 27 November 2020 07: 22
        0
        Quote: c2020
        Well, in Russia, I would call it more accurately - not business, but theft.

        Does this mean that sports are everywhere, but in Russia there is theft? Which one will you be? And in general, what do you have to do with the functioning of sport as an institution? How much do you know about the allocation of finance for sports and their development? Painfully you are categorical. If all the money is given to coaches, athletes and doctors, and not to build modern buildings and facilities for sports, then where do these coaches and athletes do? To kick everyone over the hill, let the sports economy be raised there? Do not fall into insanity. We need everything, coaches, athletes, stadiums and sports facilities. And what is even more important is the development and promotion of domestic sports. So that domestic championships and sports days are popular, spectacular and attractive. And of course, athletes participating in competitions must be healthy and without "chemistry". And it is time to shift the financial focus from high-performance sports to mass sports. Sports complexes should be in every settlement, small town. It is necessary to create conditions so that playing sports (amateur, in the free time from the main activity) becomes simply beneficial to the population and even prestigious. In short, we need a new strategy for the development of sports in the country.
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 27 November 2020 07: 40
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          Sports complexes should be in every settlement, small town. It is necessary to create conditions so that playing sports (amateur, in the free time from the main activity) becomes simply beneficial to the population and even prestigious. In short, we need a new strategy for the development of sports in the country.
          Descend from heaven to earth dreamer strategists with lanterns looking tired. This ,, state ,, nafig didn’t think and build at the expense of the treasury, but it’s not profitable for business, who will pay for it to go to poor settlements (villages)? In general, the villager has enough sports in the household.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 27 November 2020 08: 22
            +1
            Quote: Pilot
            This ,, state ,, nafig didn’t think and build at the expense of the treasury, but it’s not profitable for business, who will pay for it to go to poor settlements (villages)? In general, the villager has enough sports in the household.

            To read you, so you have to sit in a puddle, sprinkle ashes on your head and do nothing bitterly crying ... Also a position ... (but not mine)
            1. Pilot
              Pilot 27 November 2020 08: 36
              +1
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: Pilot
              This ,, state ,, nafig didn’t think and build at the expense of the treasury, but it’s not profitable for business, who will pay for it to go to poor settlements (villages)? In general, the villager has enough sports in the household.

              To read you, so you have to sit in a puddle, sprinkle ashes on your head and do nothing bitterly crying ... Also a position ... (but not mine)

              And to read you, it seems that you do not understand what country you live in. Or maybe you are writing from another country, not from Russia?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 27 November 2020 09: 21
                +2
                Quote: Pilot
                And to read you, it seems that you do not understand what country you live in.

                In Siberia, in a town for 40 inhabitants, such objects are being built by the local authorities according to programs protected in the region. There is one ready and already working, there is another one in the plans for the future, for which a land plot is being drawn up. There is a large facility built by a "large" enterprise (with state participation). This works in our country. No need to shed tears, we must do the job. To elect to the local authorities those people who are able to hear the voters and push their questions. I do not want to say that everything is fine with us. Problems, as elsewhere, are "abundant", but what you call dreams is in principle possible. The main thing is that "living" people are in power. Twenty years ago, we built the sports base in half by "subbotniks" (the second half - for the city budget), so our head of the city was "reactive". It's just that you are used to waiting ... Maybe the state will come and do it ...
                1. Pilot
                  Pilot 27 November 2020 10: 55
                  -1
                  You about Thomas and you about Eremu, read carefully what I was talking about and do not compare a mosquito with a mouse. We have a population (it was about settlements (villages) !!! 1700 people, more than half of them are pensioners with pensions of up to 15 tr. a bunch of unemployed (on one-time cobbles and grazing) Of the workplaces, only two shops and a post office with a `` polyclinic, '' which looks more like a first-aid post (and once it had its own hospital), the village administration, which was deprived of authority and funding (all took the regional centers). Well ???
                  ps why the heck me a state that can only milk.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 27 November 2020 12: 02
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                    Quote: Pilot
                    it was about settlements (villages) !!!

                    It is clear that you do not "float" in terminology. In my commentary I spoke about the settlement, this is a settlement. There are rural settlements, there are urban settlements. So the mosquito and the mouse have a common feature, they are animals. And if a full-size sports palace is not built in the village, then facilities of a smaller format are quite possible. Once they showed how one "dreamer" converted a former farm into an indoor skating rink. And even the village children, who, as you say, have enough sports on the farm, play hockey there with pleasure.
                    Quote: Pilot
                    ps why the heck me a state that can only milk.

                    The state is the population, part of which carries out administrative functions, the other - executive functions. Those. the state is among others, and so are you. How do you live there in your village for 1700 people, I will not comment. I can only tell you how we manage ourselves. But one thing is clear, as in Vysotsky, - "who threw the rudders of the oar, those ......" and so on.
                  2. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 12: 06
                    +1
                    why the heck me a state that can only milk.
                    At least so that you are not forced to memorize quotes from the great helmsman or pay jizya hi .
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  7. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 27 November 2020 07: 05
    +17
    Now it is so customary: who pays - he rules.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 November 2020 08: 51
      0
      Was it different before?
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 27 November 2020 08: 58
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        More correct: the one who pays is the one who dances the girl. If the Americans bought WADA, then what else can you expect !? Purchased sports officials will dig the ground with their hoofs, but find dope where it has never been.
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 27 November 2020 08: 09
    +1
    Is it worth at all to participate now in international similarities of competitions, taking into account all of the above?
    ... And money? What, even Russian companies, will be interested in internal competitions, and even with the participation of amateurs? And at whose expense the banquet? Organization of competitions.
  9. Esso
    Esso 27 November 2020 08: 37
    +2
    Good afternoon everyone. There is no pure sport for a long time. Sport is now a competition between pharmaceutical companies, manufacturers of sports equipment, advertising. Business and nothing personal. Everything is clear about the Norwegian Asmat skiers. The United States openly accepts doping and forces everyone to admit that they are clean. And now, according to the new law in the United States, they said that our athletes should not be touched, even if they are doped, they are clean. But if anyone else gets caught, we must arrest him in the States, and try there. Those. The USA says that our athletes must always win, and if anyone else, it is dishonest, doping.
    Rodchenkov has been bought and there is no evidence of mass doping in Sochi 2014. Just talk.
    I admit that the officials in Sochi 2014 cheated in front of Moscow to show their excellent work. They say we organized a good Olympics, give us medals and money. So it has always been that way. The leadership gives the task, but how it is carried out is another question.
    The fact that the United States is pulling the blanket over itself is clear. I believe that it is necessary to tell Europe that any attempt to detain our citizens on charges in the United States is prohibited, otherwise there will be serious sanctions with the detention of politicians from Europe, the severance of relations, the lack of discounts on Gas, etc.
  10. cniza
    cniza 27 November 2020 08: 50
    -1
    A full ratification of the "Rodchenkov Act" will virtually kill modern sport as we knew it. Was there a lot of good things in this very international sport?


    He was killed long ago ...
  11. Doccor18
    Doccor18 27 November 2020 08: 56
    0
    ..may also wait for the confiscation of property in favor of the United States.

    At the same time, Washington does not admit external experts to the most high-budget national sports.

    And all this disgrace is now called the new world order. All this will finally bury the "pure sporting spirit of humanity."
  12. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 November 2020 09: 08
    +2
    "Let mi speaker from may hart"
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 10: 53
      0
      ... where do these coaches and athletes go to work?

      Over the 70 years of Soviet power, so many have been built in Russia that there is no problem finding dozens of empty buildings in every city. A simple renovation and here's a sports facility. Why on earth would you need to shove billions into huge new concrete boxes? The point is that the allocation of billions for embezzlement must be somehow justified. So they puff their brains with the construction of expensive "sports complexes". And the more expensive, the more money is cut. And coaches, athletes and sports doctors live like beggars. No need to keep people for fools. Budget money for sports should be invested in people, not concrete. In Soviet times, there were sports hockey rinks and football fields in every courtyard. And it was worth it - a penny. But the sport was really massive and there were more gold medals at the Olympics. Nowadays, the laws of investment efficiency are applied to sports, which supposedly should justify themselves. The generally recognized effective investment today is only in real estate. Hence the throwing money into concrete under the guise of spending on sports. Profanation. Crooks and sports today have turned into a feeding trough for real estate tycoons. And athletes and competitions are just a cover for huge financial scams with sports real estate.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 27 November 2020 12: 28
        -1
        Quote: c2020
        In Soviet times, there were sports hockey rinks and football fields in every courtyard.

        Hockey rinks - yes, but not football fields, football boxes + variations in the open air and indoors a la futsal (mini-football), hence the results, he is known to everyone for hockey, but google the ratings of the Russian Federation about futsal, you will be pleasantly surprised.
        A football field is a complex technical structure even in Soviet times, not that in every yard, in the entire USSR, one could count on one hand!
  13. ccsr
    ccsr 27 November 2020 11: 59
    +1
    One would like to ask the author, what does the Rodchenkov case have to do with the Military Review? I think it's time to stop the flow of pseudo-sensations for this resource, and for those who own the site, at least limit the posting of information of this kind on it, which certainly cannot be drawn to the military theme.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 27 November 2020 12: 35
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      One would like to ask the author, what does the Rodchenkov case have to do with the Military Review?

      1. ccsr
        ccsr 27 November 2020 12: 50
        +1
        So this is a "charter" application for activities in order to avoid lawsuits for the fact that materials were published that do not correspond to the subject of the resource. But the topic of the Military Review has long been defined, and the overwhelming majority of publications are still related to military activity. Why then post here all the dregs about which you can learn from the news feed, and even more so to discuss it among those who are interested in military issues. Can you explain so that they believe you?
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 27 November 2020 13: 09
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          Can you explain so that they believe you?

          Excuse me for asking a question, but tell me where you can get acquainted with the decisions of the courts on claims for "published materials that do not correspond to the subject of the resource"? As I see you in the know, I will be very grateful. yes
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 27 November 2020 13: 24
            +1
            Quote: Dym71
            As I see you in the know, I will be very grateful.

            I am aware of how different societies are registered and what they include there as a type of activity, so as not to run around to challenge the fines of the tax inspection. I don't need your gratitude - better tell me what you personally found the "military" in the Rodchenkov case.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 27 November 2020 13: 39
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              I am aware of how different societies are registered and what they include as Kind of activity, so as not to run around to challenge the fines of the tax office.

              So it is the types of economic activities, not publishing.
              Quote: ccsr
              Better tell us what you personally found the "military man" in the Rodchenkov case.

              This is a political matter, but
              War is nothing but a continuation of politics, with the attraction of other means. (from)
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 27 November 2020 13: 13
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          but the fact that materials were published that do not correspond to the subject of the resource. But the topic of the Military Review has long been defined, and the overwhelming majority of publications are still related to military activity.

          Who, in your opinion, pays for doping, who develops and tests it in "sport"? Yes, a lot of money is spinning there. But for the development of "illegal drugs" this money would not be enough under any circumstances, money is needed tens of times more)
          Doping is done in military laboratories. These are pharmaceuticals for the army if they pass extreme tests, durability tests, etc. etc. Here are all these test series and ride on athletes, with their full consent and approval. So the topic is still related to VO!
          And then the United States started a revolution - they want to stop international testing, and transfer all this "sport" into a clean scam - a scam of fans for money without military chemicals. An important innovation for the armies, agree.
          It's a shame and a shame to look at "sports fans". People who have given up reason ...
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 27 November 2020 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Who, in your opinion, pays for doping, who develops and tests it in "sport"?

            Are there really so few resources on the network where you can get acquainted with this in detail and discuss it at a professional level?
            Quote: Mikhail3
            So the topic is still related to VO!

            Only in your imagination - you can squeeze articles here about the alien mind ...
            Quote: Mikhail3
            An important innovation for the armies, you see.

            I absolutely disagree, if only because the issues of stimulating the activities of military personnel were dealt with not only in the Wehrmacht, but also in the Soviet Army, work was carried out in this profile. As you know, we were not interested in the opinion of Western medical organizations at all.
            Quote: Mikhail3
            It's a shame and a shame to look at "sports fans". People who have given up reason ...

            I agree with this, and therefore it is not necessary on VO to demonstratively post materials that affect their field of activity.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 29 November 2020 13: 12
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              Why would I discuss this "on a professional level"? For what purpose? I frankly do not care about all this. You just do not understand what the article is about, I explained. "Stimulating the activity of military personnel" is a surprisingly strange formulation. The behavior of the human body under conditions of supercritical loads, without the need to preserve health and life after the use of pharmaceutical support. And with the preservation of partial health and some years of life. Etc. It will be more correct. Sport provides a wonderful platform to work with all of this.
              And yes, the USSR also conducted research, well, it must be the same ... The USSR had such special forces, combat swimmers, etc. etc., which is nice to remember. These people used a whole bunch of various drugs, doctors of appropriate qualifications worked with them on an ongoing basis. And those drugs were mostly tested not on them (it is very expensive to spend such guys on experiments) but on athletes.
              And now, apparently, with the appearance of Phelps-type cadavers, the United States considers it necessary to stop explicit research of this type in "sport", and in general, to concentrate all power in it in its own hands. God be with them ...
  14. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 27 November 2020 12: 14
    +2
    And what is the value of medals not won, but awarded by the type of "tramp fit"? And what difference does it make to whom they go? Gold medals of Kenyans and other Ethiopians, something did not help them with the growth of the economy, and even the sewage system in all the villages there did not appear from this sad In Ireland, the players are mediocre, but in Cameroon and Ghana they are class. Better to live in Ireland or Ghana tongue ?
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 13: 16
      0
      A football field is a complex technical structure even in Soviet times, not that in every yard, in the entire USSR, one could count on one hand!

      You're cheating. In cities, almost every Soviet school had its own stadium with treadmills, a sand pit for long jump and a football field. And when doing mass physical education and sports, making a football field is as easy as shelling pears: find a decent-sized lawn and put two school bags (gates) at opposite ends. So the football field is ready. It was on such lawns, and not on "complex technical structures" that the sports generations of the USSR grew up in thousands.

      One would like to ask the author, what does the Rodchenkov case have to do with the Military Review?

      The Rodchenkov case has to do with sports and the Ready for Labor and Defense (TRP) badge. I repeat for the especially dull - DEFENSE. And this is directly related to the Military Review. Thanks to him for bringing up the current topic.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 27 November 2020 18: 26
        +2
        Quote: c2020
        The Rodchenkov case has to do with sports and the Ready for Labor and Defense (TRP) badge.

        With the same success, the Chikatilo case can be drawn to this badge - there would have been victims of sports categories, this serial maniac could not have killed them, they would have run away. And how to pull this sideways to the country's defense?
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 November 2020 13: 07
    +2
    Americans pay for "international sports organizations." They, as the owners of this very "sport", decided to legalize their power. That's all. Do you want to participate in horse breeding for a lot of money? Obey the one who has invested in scams immeasurably more than others. I don't see any problems.
    There is no high-performance sport for a long time. Who wants to participate in this dirty and shameful business - how can you forbid them? Let them smear themselves with shit. What is depressing is our taxes and natural resources to "support elite sports." From this "sport" taxes should be raised sevenfold, and not supported!
  16. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 November 2020 13: 25
    0
    I especially like tennis player Williams' mattress sisters. Looking at them, you won't understand, or a woman, or a man?)))) But they generally don't know the word doping))))
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 19: 19
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      And how to pull this sideways to the country's defense?

      Your avatar's mustache has come off. You better pull it in.


      And sport should not be attracted to defense. He and so has a direct relationship to the Military Review.
      .
  17. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 27 November 2020 21: 32
    +1
    And, the eternal description, and what they have ...

    While it is important - what we have.
    Remember the spree and salaries of football players ??? New foreign cars for coaches "sons" ???

    And 2 ski sections for children in our village are led by an old woman and an old man, pre-retirees play volleyball,
    only table tennis holds ...
    1. c2020
      c2020 27 November 2020 23: 27
      -1
      Remember the spree and salaries of football players ??? New foreign cars for coaches "sons" ???

      Disgrace, of course. I need to be a leader. I have an index finger, I can point it. I also learned to stick out my lower lip. And the current bureaucrats are not able to do anything else. But I have a qualified Russian command language. A burnt-out Soviet warrant officer and he will blush like a girl. I will say a couple of gentle ones and there will be complete order - all the folded ones will walk along a thread like silk. My gardens on Mars will bloom without any problems.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 29 November 2020 10: 31
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    “Considering the vagueness of the“ doping codes ”, any coach or manager can go to an American prison, whose ward has outstripped an American in competitions ... And it is possible that, as a result, US athletes

    Oh I am, natural!