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The Ministry of Defense modernizes the heavy flame-throwing systems "Buratino" and "Solntsepёk"

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The Ministry of Defense modernizes the heavy flame-throwing systems "Buratino" and "Solntsepёk"

The Ministry of Defense plans to modernize the TOS-1 and TOS-1A heavy flame-throwing systems. Reported by "News" with reference to the military department.


According to the newspaper, a fundamental decision to modernize TOS-1 "Buratino" and TOS-1A "Solntsepek" has already been made. First of all, the newly released vehicles will be modernized, and the equipment already supplied to the troops will be updated during the repair process.

As explained in the military department, the modernization of flamethrower systems was required due to the change in tasks for the TOS and the growing range. The modernized vehicles will receive modern digital communication facilities, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 (Tosochka) will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

At present, the RChBZ is armed with about a hundred heavy flamethrower systems of two modifications: TOS-1 "Buratino" based on tank T-72 and improved TOS-1A "Solntsepek" on the T-90 chassis. All existing vehicles will be upgraded.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that by 2025 in the Southern Military District all TOS-1 and TOS-1A on a tracked chassis will be replaced with a wheeled TOS-2 "Tosochka". TPS on caterpillar tracks will remain in service with the RHBZ troops in other regions where the use of wheeled vehicles is impractical.
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  1. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 23 November 2020 10: 59
    +15
    As I asked, they increased the firing range.))
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 23 November 2020 11: 06
      -1
      what for ? thermobaric ammunition is available both under the Hail and under the Tornado with the Hurricane.
      there, the range in general can reach hundreds of kilometers.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 23 November 2020 12: 08
        +2
        Thermobaric ammunition only for the Tornado, which is 300mm, TOS 220mm
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 23 November 2020 14: 36
          -3
          truth ?
          but do not tell me, but what then is 9M51?
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 23 November 2020 12: 16
        +4
        Thermobaric ammunition only for the Tornado, which is 300mm, TOS 220mm

        And the issue price matters. Both in the cost of one shell, and in the cost of the Tornado itself.
        Accurate aiming at a distance of 100 km is an expensive task.
        As a result, the troops will have significantly more flamethrower systems than Tornadoes. hi
      3. KCA
        KCA 23 November 2020 15: 16
        +1
        The mass of the warhead is a little, an order of magnitude, different
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 23 November 2020 17: 19
          0
          Quote: KCA
          The mass of the warhead is a little, an order of magnitude, different

          Everything is logical: the length of the projectile is limited, so with a large warhead there is less space for the rocket engine, hence the short range. And vice versa.
          By the way, baric ammunition is also quite compact. For example, to grenade launchers.
          TBG-7V
          And even to the GM-94 grenade launcher
    2. faiver
      faiver 23 November 2020 11: 14
      +16
      can we pass our requests through you? We have a lot of them laughing
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 November 2020 11: 55
      0
      The range is not clear! Yes, there were "talks" about increasing the firing range for new systems ... But it was ... up to 10 km! If you believe "at the word" and in 15 km, then such a "picture" (!) ...: the mentioned range of up to 15 km can be achieved due to a "sharp" (!) Increase in the engine and decrease in the "mass" of the warhead ! And then the question arises: Is the "game worth the candle"? New rates for "power" (area of ​​damage) will not differ for the "better" from the corresponding rates of MLRS "Uragan"! The only "plus" may be that the ammunition for TPSs will be less weight (shorter) and thus the logistics will be somewhat easier ... (more ammunition can be loaded onto the "truck" ...).
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 November 2020 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        The only "plus" can be that the ammunition for TPSs will be less weight (shorter) and thus the logistics will be somewhat easier

        And for the price?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 November 2020 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          And for the price?

          With or without kickbacks?)
      2. KCA
        KCA 23 November 2020 15: 20
        +3
        THOSE. We do not consider fuel efficiency for rocket engines at all? In vain, progress in this segment is taking very long strides, on Sary-Shagan every six months they are clearly shown, and even more often they are not shown
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 23 November 2020 18: 55
          0
          Quote: KCA
          we do not consider fuel efficiency for rocket engines at all

          But not by the same "leaps and bounds" steps! At first, about 4 km ... we pulled ourselves up, barely gave 6 km ... then they began to promise up to 10 km (!) ... namely, up to ...., that is, one could say 8-10 km ! It is known how the engine power can be increased within the previous limits of mass and dimensions, but in Russia there are significant problems in terms of the production possibilities of creating such a fuel and engine!
          1. KCA
            KCA 23 November 2020 19: 06
            0
            There were problems, there was a case, but in 20 years the problems with TTD were not solved, and they were not brought to greater productivity, do you doubt? I don’t, the grass doesn’t have time to grow on the landfills and the puddles are covered with ice, they fuck several times a week
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 23 November 2020 19: 56
              +2
              Quote: KCA
              do you doubt Me not

              Well. well ... blessed is he who believes! It is easy for him to live! And I have to doubt when you read how the "plans-promises" for the "armament-re-armament" of the RF Armed Forces are thwarted! When in the next they explain this by the same thing: there is no funding (not enough)! ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 November 2020 20: 12
                +1
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                And I have to doubt when you read how the "plans-promises" for the "armament-re-armament" of the RF Armed Forces are thwarted! When in the next they explain this by the same thing: there is no funding (not enough)

                Colleague, you are doing the right thing to doubt. the thing is that the Soviet modernization reserve is practically exhausted, and even if engineers invent something breakthrough, the backward technological base will not allow the plan to be implemented. All our technologies and tactics of application remained at the level of the Afghan war.
      3. Cympak
        Cympak 23 November 2020 20: 49
        0
        MLRS is artillery, and TOS is RChBZ. That's all the reasons ...
        1. infantryman2020
          infantryman2020 23 November 2020 21: 37
          0
          Correct answer! RHBZ-shniki lobbied.
    4. Maz
      Maz 23 November 2020 16: 05
      0
      Interestingly, the one who wrote the title understands that it is impossible to modernize Buratino, they are not released. Long time ago.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 23 November 2020 17: 25
        0
        Quote: Maz
        Pinocchio cannot be modernized, they are not released. Long time ago.

        If my memory does not change, Papa Carlo did only one thing. Indeed, it was a long time ago, perhaps, and all technologies are lost. what
  2. wow
    wow 23 November 2020 11: 01
    +5
    Oh-oh-very good Buratina! We need more of them!
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 23 November 2020 11: 04
      +5
      Quote: yo-mine
      Oh-oh-chen good Buratina!

      Evil Buratina!
      1. Kart
        Kart 23 November 2020 11: 49
        -1
        It depends on whom to use - to change the name. Burachuk, Burdogan, Burobalt.
        It depends on who puffs out their cheeks.
        Just a little - please, the new Buratyan systems have entered service. Or Buraliev.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 23 November 2020 12: 20
          +5
          And you got ethnic strife ... bully
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 23 November 2020 11: 03
    0
    But I would not like to sit in it at the moment of hitting the simplest shot from any grenade launcher into a tube with a rocket ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 23 November 2020 12: 21
      +2
      So they increased the range. No grenade launcher will hit. wink
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 November 2020 12: 50
      -6
      Buratino's crew - death row.
      And the grenade launcher is not needed. Harop buzzes from 200 km - and from above ... sad
      They must be given stars of Heroes in advance, before hostilities
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 23 November 2020 13: 03
        +8
        Quote: voyaka uh
        ... Harop buzzes

        And why only Buratina's crew?
        What, all the other crews are immortal? In tanks, armored personnel carriers, just in trucks?
        Why are there crews, all soldiers in the war are suicide bombers.
        Even the drone operator can fly in another drone, or the Poseidon will sail to the extreme.
      2. Maz
        Maz 23 November 2020 16: 09
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Buratino's crew - death row.
        And the grenade launcher is not needed. Harop buzzes from 200 km - and from above ... sad
        They must be given stars of Heroes in advance, before hostilities

        Go, warrior uh, turn over your Merkava tank at the beginning, which yesterday at the base were turned over by brilliant Jewish tankers: the Tevets base in the Jordan Valley, the exercises of the 7029th battalion of the 179th reserve tank brigade.

        [Center]
        You have to hum and hum there.
      3. KCA
        KCA 23 November 2020 18: 59
        +2
        You know very little about our RChBZ troops, we have such devices, but we will not tell you about them ...
  4. svp67
    svp67 23 November 2020 11: 12
    +3
    Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that by 2025 in the Southern Military District all TOS-1 and TOS-1A on a tracked chassis will be replaced with a wheeled TOS-2 "Tosochka". TPS on caterpillar tracks will remain in service with the RHBZ troops in other regions where the use of wheeled vehicles is impractical.
    So in the West they can be safely changed to "Tosochka" road network, this allows
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 November 2020 11: 16
    -3
    And how are they going to protect them from drones and kamikaze drones? In Karabakh, the Tornadoes burned to the ground, not to mention the Grads.
    Each Pinocchio must have its own Thor and Carapace.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 23 November 2020 11: 22
      +11
      There is no other way. And cover the Iskander drone control headquarters. Here's a new expensive war.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 23 November 2020 12: 36
        0
        And cover the Iskander drone control headquarters.

        Iskander is not enough. wink
        Art will be enough.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 23 November 2020 11: 24
      +17
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And how are they going to protect them from drones and kamikaze drones? In Karabakh, the Tornadoes burned to the ground, not to mention the Grads.

      "Wherever they say -
      All one will reduce to women! "
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 23 November 2020 11: 38
        +11
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        No matter what they say -
        All one will reduce to women!

        Full, dove, do not sin
        Take away your verses, -
        He's not ethno for money,
        He's an ethno for the soul! wassat
    3. Dym71
      Dym71 23 November 2020 12: 03
      +9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Each Pinocchio must have its own Thor and Carapace.

      Calls Antires
      And such isho cut:
      Attach both Thor and Carapace -
      On a goose ali without? what
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 23 November 2020 12: 45
        +3
        The eternal verses of Leonid Filatov Can be remade for anything!
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 November 2020 18: 20
        +2
        Quote: Dym71

        Calls Antires
        And such isho cut:
        Attach both Thor and Carapace -
        On a goose ali without? what

        Yes! smile
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 23 November 2020 12: 23
      +1
      And how are they going to protect them from drones and kamikaze drones?

      Are kamikaze drones immortal / endless?
      Are they not afraid of anything, can you bring them down? Derivation?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 November 2020 13: 57
        +3
        The main difference between drones and manned vehicles is that drones -
        absolutely, totally fearless. All of them are heroes.
        But the complexes or single air defense systems are controlled by people.
        Specialists, professionals. In humans, nerves are not iron. And they are not at all ready to die.
        Therefore, in the duel between people and drones, people are obviously the losers.
        This is not yet very realized. The psychology of human heroism has taken root firmly in their heads.
        Only drones can defeat drones. Or air defense robots.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 23 November 2020 16: 46
          +2
          The main difference between drones and manned vehicles is that drones are absolutely, totally fearless. All of them are heroes.

          Theoretically, it’s a mare, but practically, I don’t carry it ... wink
          In addition to Derivation, there is electronic warfare, there is a microwave oven, etc., etc.
          And still much is decided by the range.
          In the video, the drones saw from 6 km how the Tornado was firing, but could not interfere in any way. They flew, flew after the Tornado that had shot back until he led them to another one and stood next to them. The drones still flew up (up to 2 km) and then of course they showed themselves in all their glory. But this only happens in Karabakh. IMHO. hi
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 November 2020 19: 36
            -1
            "flew after the Tornado that had shot back until it led them to another" ///
            ----
            You see, you yourself explained why you did not immediately destroy the first one.
            They also needed a second, hidden one.

            "But this only happens in Karabakh" ///
            ----
            Karabakh is just the beginning. It will be so everywhere.
            There will be tens of times more drones.
            And dinosaurs from MLRS: all sorts of Tornadoes and Buratino will die out.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 23 November 2020 19: 47
              +2
              Karabakh is just the beginning. It will be so everywhere.
              There will be tens of times more drones.
              And dinosaurs from MLRS: all sorts of Tornadoes and Buratino will die out.

              Colleague!
              You are a respected conversation partner.
              Sober, reasonable, knowledgeable. yes
              And I, over 30 years, began to understand a little information systems. wink
              And in what pitfalls there are in artificial intelligence systems and why there is not so much of this intelligence around.
              There are many restrictions both in terms of the number of personnel, for controlling drones, and for communication channels, etc., etc.
              Wunderwaffe tried to come up with a long time.
              But something tells me that drones won't become one either. hi
              PS The Yankees are the main ones in the topic of unmanned pilots. Develop artillery. MLRS and RSMD. And they absolutely do not worry about their impending demise.
              Again, lasers are on the way. hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 23 November 2020 19: 57
                0
                I'm afraid you have a poor idea of ​​how rapidly developing
                information systems in Israel, for example. Dozens of startups,
                where 80% of young people work after universities.
                For two or three years, they develop devices and applications that were once sawed
                for 10-15 years. Including AI, hardware and software.
                Drones will not become wunderwaffe for the only reason - they will be created against
                other drones. As in manned aircraft: bombers, fighters
                and bomber interceptors.
                But for this you need to seriously get into this military industry,
                and not consider it amusing and secondary, "against the Papuans."
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 November 2020 20: 04
                  0
                  I'm afraid you have a poor idea of ​​how rapidly information systems are developing in Israel, for example.

                  I'm not retired yet. And I have access to the highest level of expertise. hi
                  For two to three years, devices and applications are being developed, which were once sawed for 10-15 years.

                  Well yes. It all started in the 90s when, for example, the SAS Institute appeared and thanks to its tools it became possible to support complex models in real time.
                  Now, of course, approaches have changed a lot.
                  But what is most important in a complex information system?
                  Not development speed - I assure you.
            2. poquello
              poquello 23 November 2020 22: 13
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There will be tens of times more drones.
              And dinosaurs from MLRS: all sorts of Tornadoes and Buratino will die out.

              tornadoes will pass through the squares and you will release drones from kanashka hatches;
    5. Galleon
      Galleon 23 November 2020 12: 49
      +2
      Alas, Alexei, "generals are always preparing for the last war." If I could make decisions, I would add an EW complex to each battery. For drones, some time would be enough.
  6. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 23 November 2020 11: 27
    +4
    I never thought that such a powerful weapon would be named after my favorite book hero! And * Buratino's * nose is getting longer! Good news!
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 23 November 2020 11: 34
    0
    And I still did not understand the deep plan of attributing these "Buratins" to the chemical defense troops.
    This is a normal melee MLRS.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 23 November 2020 11: 42
      +1
      judging from the declared range, and it is 2 times lower than that of the same Togrnad-G, here the ammunition is much more powerful, and in the SAR they seemed to be good at aiming, the Syrians were satisfied
    2. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 23 November 2020 11: 48
      +5
      Officially considered a flamethrower! Yes, jet, self-propelled, armored, but a flamethrower! And flamethrowers are RHBZ, since the days of ROKS and FOGs
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 November 2020 23: 58
      +1
      To burn out infected areas. Therefore, they were assigned to the RCBZ.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 23 November 2020 12: 00
    +2
    In fact, it requires the modernization of all MLRS for these requirements, and also the unification of charges for MLRS and TOS.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 23 November 2020 17: 19
      0
      Why ammunition unification? CBT is not RSPO. No range needed. In principle, for the TOS, the range of the enemy's anti-tank defense of the company level multiplied by 1,5 is sufficient. So they didn't get it out of the trench with direct fire. This limitation allows ammunition to be made more powerful and less expensive. Range and accuracy are important for MLRS. For TOC, the power of the ammunition is important.
  9. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 November 2020 18: 20
    +2
    As explained in the military department, the modernization of flamethrower systems was required due to the change in tasks for the TOS and the growing range. The modernized vehicles will receive modern digital communication facilities, as well as equipment for a closed data transmission segment, which will allow them to be integrated into automatic control systems (ACS) of the tactical level. In addition, long-range ammunition from TOS-1 (Tosochka) will be adapted for TOS-1 and TOS-2A, thereby increasing the range of TOS to 15 km instead of the currently available 6 km.

    The next step will be to take the TOSs from the RChBZ and finally give them to the artillerymen. In order not to produce duplicate structures in non-core troops - "rocket artillery RChBZ"with all the harness of the type of control, artillery reconnaissance, topographic reference, data generation for shooting, etc., necessary for firing at 10-15 km. smile
    1. poquello
      poquello 23 November 2020 22: 36
      -1
      Quote: Alexey RA
      The next step will be to take the TOSs away from the RChBZ and finally give them to the gunners.

      and RHBZ distribute nets and jars for catching insects)))))))))))))))))))))
  10. Cympak
    Cympak 23 November 2020 20: 52
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    The next step will be to take the TOSs from the RChBZ and finally give them to the artillerymen. In order not to produce duplicate structures in non-core troops - "rocket artillery RChBZ"with all the harness of the type of control, artillery reconnaissance, topographic reference, data generation for shooting, etc., necessary for firing at 10-15 km. smile

    That would be a sensible decision. Another would be to transfer the flamethrowers from the RChBZ to the engineering and assault units.