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Due to the bankruptcy of KrAZ, the Ukrainian army plans to switch to a single Tatra chassis

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Due to the bankruptcy of KrAZ, the Ukrainian army plans to switch to a single Tatra chassis

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to switch to a single Tatra chassis that meets all the requirements of NATO member states. In the future, they are going to localize its production at domestic production facilities.


This information came from the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Mironyuk during testing of the new multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) "Bureviy", which is based on the Tatra T815-7T3RC1 8x8 chassis.

Most of the systems in the Armed Forces are located on obsolete Soviet vehicles that have already exhausted their resources. Considering that KrAZ is now going through bankruptcy proceedings, we must find an alternative. If the "Bureviy" passes all the tests, the question of the transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to new wheeled platforms that meet all the requirements of the NATO member countries will be considered, with the further localization of their production in Ukraine.

- said Mironyuk.

It turns out that due to the bankruptcy of KrAZ, the Ukrainian army plans to switch to a single Tatra chassis, instead of supporting the domestic manufacturer.

From informed sources, the publication also learned that on the basis of Tatra, the Armed Forces are going to order vehicles for the Alder MLRS, the Neptune missile system and other military equipment.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 20 November 2020 12: 58
    46
    To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 November 2020 13: 01
      31
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

      Sumerian brains do not accept logic ..
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 20 November 2020 13: 12
        28
        Sumerian brains do not accept logic ..
        Logic there is above the roof !!! That one KRAZ was taken away, now there will again be something to take away.
        In our city, under the first governor, the tank was lost, on its basis, just like dill, they made a screwdriver assembly of Volvo buses. Collected either 9 or 11 pieces. And they also lost it. And the babos in full, sawed off as a full-fledged plant. Learn how to make money am
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 20 November 2020 15: 30
          +3
          Greetings, our colleague in Omsk generally has enough miracles, but how much money is poured into the Avangard palace? There are no more problems.
          1. krot
            krot 21 November 2020 08: 45
            +4
            Quote: prapor55
            and how much money is heaped into the Vanguard palace?

            Human envy, like ignorance, defies logic. The avant-garde is being built in Omsk to support youth and sports! Or do you only need to build tanks? Or not build anything at all? )))
            Although the ensign and in Africa, the ensign! "If I hadn't thrown my backpack, the ensign would have gone!" laughing laughing
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 21 November 2020 17: 03
              0
              Do you live in Omsk or where?
              1. krot
                krot 21 November 2020 19: 24
                +2
                In Novosibirsk. And we are also building an ice rink .. Which I am not upset at all.
                1. prapor55
                  prapor55 21 November 2020 19: 50
                  +1
                  So rejoice, and then try to arrange your youth for classes.
                  1. krot
                    krot 21 November 2020 21: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: prapor55
                    So rejoice, and then try to arrange your youth for classes.

                    At least they learned to write correctly ..)))) My daughter goes to the pool for free for the third year .. And all the children go for free. And it didn't cost any work. Get up early and sign up .. Fsyo! From the prapars, noble Fsyopropals are obtained)
                    Probably your children play hockey only by pull)))
          2. tech3030
            tech3030 22 November 2020 09: 22
            +3
            Well, at least something will be thrown into the arena, only from the oil refinery all income goes to St. Petersburg, and not only from him.
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 22 November 2020 10: 49
              0
              They run into the arena, 12,5 lard according to official data, and 1 lard a year on the road, and how many academy students play in the team?
              1. tech3030
                tech3030 22 November 2020 17: 24
                +1
                I agree with you, but we will not touch this money, well, they will not allow us to dispose of it, like many others.
      2. grindz
        grindz 20 November 2020 13: 35
        14
        The logic is actually very simple. Ukraine has become one more small step closer to the West shining with the light of freedom !!! This is for us orcs and goblins. it could be a tragedy. And for them, happiness turns into estaz.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 November 2020 16: 14
          +4
          Quote: grindz
          Ukraine has become one more small step closer to the West shining with the light of freedom !!!

          And I kept thinking why my migrant workers from Ukraine shine so much.
          1. krot
            krot 21 November 2020 08: 48
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And I kept thinking why my migrant workers from Ukraine shine so much.

            Did you check them with a dosimeter? Or maybe the glow from Chernobyl? wassat
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 21 November 2020 12: 45
              +3
              Quote: krot
              Did you check them with a dosimeter? Or maybe the glow from Chernobyl?

              No, this is the light visible to the eye, the shining light of Western freedom. Such light can be seen only when you live in a "free Europe". When I send to a construction site to an Estonian owner of free dill, whose construction site is surrounded by a "yatsynyuk wall" and exit within 10 working hours 6 times a week is prohibited. Worked out blowing to the hut. But the money is received not from the employer, but from the employer. Here the radiance does not need any Geigers, they glow like an icon, and themselves with halos over their heads - "Chef, why so little?" the answer is "To each his own."
        2. Dkuznecov
          Dkuznecov 20 November 2020 23: 03
          +7
          What does "for us", "for them" mean?
          These are our people, brothers and sisters,
          cut off from each other by thieves
          self-named "leaders of nations".
          Shushkevichs and other Yeltsins.
          Having torn the USSR apart, these "comrades" do not care
          could not sow discord and enmity.

          Yes, it will beat us up, but, like in a big bang,
          the center of power will gather all the debris into a single fist.
          Physics, where can you go from it ...
      3. halpat
        halpat 20 November 2020 20: 59
        -2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: APASUS
        To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

        Sumerian brains do not accept logic ..

        The logic is simple:
        1. Sell what's left of Kraz. Though for scrap metal and shove into pockets.
        2. Start cutting commissions and other coupons from Tatra supplies. And then let the Czechs do it.
        Localize well. No, it's even better.
        Corruption in its purest form.

        Mr. Taburetkin did the same in Russia.
    2. nnm
      nnm 20 November 2020 13: 13
      13
      Love of the West, it is! Doesn't tolerate any competition! Money is above all!
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 20 November 2020 13: 57
        -2
        Love of the West, it is! Doesn't tolerate any competition! Money is above all !.
        .Aha ... Renault-Nissan-Vaz or Rusall ... love of the West is evil .. smile
        1. nnm
          nnm 20 November 2020 13: 59
          10
          And who said the opposite? I can give you a lot of examples of the "love" of the West for Russia, when factories were bought up and production simply stopped. The question is that Ukraine, like that one, is not able to learn from the mistakes of others, when the consequences of "love" are just before our eyes. She takes it herself and climbs into the same loop.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 20 November 2020 14: 06
            -10 qualifying.
            Lord, I just confirmed the words of your comment ... God be with you ... Sorry ... God gave the surname and first name ... it would have been easier for Ivanov, it would have been even easier if he was born there ... And there are even those like the State The Kuban Cossack Choir would have been sent to Ukraine .. Sorry again, I was disturbed by Russian great-power chauvinism.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 November 2020 16: 17
            0
            Quote: nnm
            The question is that Ukraine, like that one, is not able to learn from the mistakes of others, when the consequences of "love" are just before our eyes.

            And what can you do, "love is evil, you will love a goat."
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 November 2020 21: 32
        +1
        Quote: nnm
        Love of the West, it is!

        Like a kiss from a cobra.
    3. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 13: 24
      +5
      And the KrAZ will be restored? Ukraine no longer builds ships, missiles, everything is bad with aviation from the word at all, now it is possible to put the automobile industry to sleep. And why should a "great agrarian power" create equipment? They will work for someone else's abroad, if they allow hi And the land bought by foreign companies must be processed by foreign equipment. Local in this business will only be given the opportunity to go to work in Europe! hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 November 2020 21: 41
        +1
        Quote: VORON538
        Will KrAZ be restored?

        There will be! Bulldozers await instructions. What the bankrupt country can talk about. All the bravura reports, "We will do, we can, we are one, we are jumping!" Everything goes racing remains. To build something, you need money and resources, out of the blue you can't even build a hut without it, and a dovitra outhouse. ALL this chatter and demagogy for the Ukrainian "people" who swallow everything like a pig guano. The chatter will go away "people" will rebel, but as long as people believe, temporary workers live. (but "Boeings" are filled).
    4. credo
      credo 20 November 2020 13: 24
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

      Not that it was too bad for Kraz, but the choice of Tatra is not entirely clear. And why not take the base of Man or Mercedes as a basis? In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.
      1. faiver
        faiver 20 November 2020 13: 28
        +4
        In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.
        - well, very expensive ...
        1. credo
          credo 20 November 2020 13: 36
          0
          Quote: faiver
          In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.
          - well, very expensive ...

          With the perspective that some Ukrainian politicians declare and just noteworthy verbiage, life in the near future in Ukraine will be just a paradise, so why waste little things and spend on the restoration of Kraz or the purchase of the Tatra wheelbase, when there are so many better offers around.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 November 2020 14: 11
        -1
        Quote: credo
        Not that it was too bad for Kraz, but the choice of Tatra is not entirely clear. Why didn't they take the base of Man or Mercedes as a basis?

        We decided to throw the bone to the Czechs. Probably, the Ukrainian prospects are very vague, so the owners are not very interested. Well, and that's it.
        1. credo
          credo 20 November 2020 14: 19
          0
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: credo
          Not that it was too bad for Kraz, but the choice of Tatra is not entirely clear. Why didn't they take the base of Man or Mercedes as a basis?

          We decided to throw the bone to the Czechs. Probably, the Ukrainian prospects are very vague, so the owners are not very interested. Well, and that's it.

          I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that most of the successful enterprises of Czechoslovakia that were under the CMEA now belong to their western neighbors, so the curators of Ukraine decided through the Tatra not to support the Czechs, but to the real owners of the Tatra who live outside the Czech Republic.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 20 November 2020 20: 40
            0
            Tatra belongs to the CZECHOSLOVAK GROUP (CSG).
            Its owner is Jaroslav Stranad and his son Michal Strnad
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 November 2020 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Probably, Ukrainian prospects are very vague

          Fog, fog -
          Blind shroud ...
          And just around the corner
          There is a war behind the fogs ...
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 20 November 2020 14: 15
        +4
        Quote: credo
        Why didn't they take the base of Man or Mercedes as a basis? In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.

        There are a lot of questions. Tatra, for example, sold 2019 cars in 1181
        https://www.tatra.cz/o-spolecnosti/tisk-a-media/novinky-a-clanky/tatra-trucks-v-roce-2019-utrzila-temer-sest-miliard-korun-1/
        the manufacturer is not the largest and rather controversial. For example, the same KAMAZ sold 2019 vehicles in 43643.
      4. orionvitt
        orionvitt 20 November 2020 14: 53
        +7
        Quote: credo
        In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.

        Frankly speaking, KrAZ, as a platform for various types of weapons, is very good. Sometimes better than the vaunted Mercedes in their field. But ... You need to be able to ditch your own, rather not a bad enterprise, so that, once again, buy something at exorbitant prices in the west. Comrades are on the right course. laughing
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein 21 November 2020 16: 41
          -1
          It's simple. The leading titanium axles on the KrAZ trucks are Russian, the D-308 engines are Russian. And the policy is anti-Russian. But in the Tatras the molecules of the euro (f ..) Peyskoy freedom. So the big boss dictated. Otherwise, they will screw handouts from the IMF.
      5. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 20 November 2020 17: 09
        0
        Quote: credo
        Why didn't they take the base of Man or Mercedes as a basis? In my opinion, very decent bases and prestigious ones.

        And they will not contact 404 in order not to lose prestige.
        And so far this is only Wishlist 404, no more.
      6. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 20 November 2020 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: credo
        the choice of Tatra is not entirely clear

        Cheaper and hardly worse in quality. At one time, the Tatras in the Union proved themselves very well in difficult operating conditions.
      7. Alex777
        Alex777 20 November 2020 21: 49
        0
        Not that it was too bad for Kraz, but the choice of Tatra is not entirely clear.

        With whom is the best deal. wink
        And the fact that, for example, Batkin's tractor was carrying a "Neptune" and the carrying capacity of this Tatra is much inferior to him, so who cares? hi
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 November 2020 13: 50
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

      What do you want from a country in which you managed to make a gold mining enterprise unprofitable. smile
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 20 November 2020 21: 34
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        What do you want from a country in which you managed to make a gold mining enterprise unprofitable.

        Gold mining is a very laborious process and the share of profit is minimal there, the costs are very high.
        These guys managed to write Kuev like this (this is of course KIEV), at a music concert
    6. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2020 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars?

      There will be no "recovery".

      They will buy everything from the West.
    7. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 20 November 2020 14: 38
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

      Not to restore, but to engage in screwdriver assembly under license. The classic colony path.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 November 2020 16: 18
        +1
        Looking at Kaluga and Vsevolozhsk, I agree with you.
    8. Buffet
      Buffet 20 November 2020 15: 32
      +1
      "It is a sin to laugh at sick people ..."
    9. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 20 November 2020 17: 30
      0
      The logic is something like this)

      And the West will help ... with a wide range of equipment at a price in euros.
    10. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 20 November 2020 17: 42
      -1
      Where to recover? Buy Tatras))) Or do you really think that skakuas will produce these good trucks themselves? SHAZZZZ!
    11. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 20 November 2020 19: 03
      +1
      The problem is that the Tatra is expensive, and secondly, are there any vehicles of the appropriate carrying capacity? KrAZ easily took 30 tons, but Tatra can?
    12. venik
      venik 20 November 2020 19: 23
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

      ========
      It remains to congratulate the Czechs. Someone who, but they - as if from this mess only won!
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 21 November 2020 16: 45
        -1
        And not only in the Tatras. The Czech Republic bought out five workshops of Yuzhmash. In two shops she organized an exhibition of the equipment she produces, and in the other three she will carry out repairs of Czech locomotives and cars.
    13. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 20 November 2020 23: 31
      0
      It's called "Mastering the State Budget", as old as the world and as simple as a bicycle. Our officials also "work" in this way, according to the same worked out scheme
  2. figwam
    figwam 20 November 2020 12: 58
    10
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to switch to a single Tatra chassis

    Deflection counted ...
  3. faiver
    faiver 20 November 2020 13: 05
    10
    This is the true face of European integration, kill our own production and buy abroad, keep it up ...
  4. Asad
    Asad 20 November 2020 13: 05
    +3
    Well, to be honest, clubfoot, the technique is good.
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 November 2020 13: 06
      +4
      which is what it is, since the time of Hitler ...
  5. Ensign19
    Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 05
    +3
    KrAZ has long been a private enterprise, the owner (Zhevago) of which is on the wanted list for "mud" with loans.
    Standard bankruptcy procedure in progress
    1. kit88
      kit88 20 November 2020 13: 19
      21
      So simple and commonplace for our days.
      owner ... muck ... loans ... bankruptcy
      And once the whole Union built it.


      1958
      By a decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR, it was decided to transfer the production of heavy trucks from the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant to the Ukraine - Kremenchug Automobile Plant.

      In the shortest possible time, practically in 10 months, the re-equipment of the assembly, mechanical, steel workshops was carried out, new production facilities were created: frame-body, thermal, woodworking, experimental. By the spring of 1959, the reconstruction of the plant was completed.
      1. Ensign19
        Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 44
        -2
        As they say, maktub!
      2. Grits
        Grits 20 November 2020 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: kit88
        And once the whole Union built it.

        And he could have stayed in Yaroslavl.
      3. boris epstein
        boris epstein 21 November 2020 16: 51
        0
        At YaAZ, two new models, 205 and 256, were created. The 205th was first transferred for a screwdriver assembly from Yaroslavl car sets with subsequent localization to the newly built Minsk Automobile Plant, 256 in the same way to Kremenchug. This is how MAZs and KrAZs appeared. And YaAZ was divided into engine, tire, frame, spring factories. Drive axles were supplied from ZIL. Three-axle YaAZs I remember well.
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 20 November 2020 13: 06
    +7
    Profakali and KrAZ.
    Well done, what))
    1. Ensign19
      Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 10
      -1
      Unlike ZIL, there is not yet, they will simply sell to another owner
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 20 November 2020 13: 15
        +6
        Unlike ZIL, there is not yet, they will simply sell to another owner
        Already Yes!!! Who will need that KrAZ if there is Tatra? Moonshine stills will rivet to the edge
        1. Ensign19
          Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 26
          -2
          Market laws.
          Probably not, the same Tatra will buy it.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 20 November 2020 13: 30
            +2
            It's clear. Only KRAZ will be gone. And this is some kind, but SCHOOL. In general, I think that in their classes there were no better cars than KraZ-255 and LUAZ 969 cars, and now we have to look.
            1. Ensign19
              Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 33
              -1
              I agree on cross-country ability, but for comfort ... laughing
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 20 November 2020 13: 37
                +3
                And maintainability. But this is the same "tool" - came from hunting, moved to Toyota and live high.
                At 255m, my brother in the early 90s took beer to the north for sale all year round - three flights a month in any weather and any frost. Try this on a KAMAZ? !!!
                1. faiver
                  faiver 20 November 2020 14: 09
                  +2
                  Try this on a KAMAZ? !!!
                  - the Tatar will crumble ...
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 20 November 2020 13: 16
        0
        For 9 months of 2020, only 29 KrAZ vehicles were sold.
        In addition to ZIL, there are many automobile factories in Russia. What do Sumeria have? laughing
        1. unaha
          unaha 20 November 2020 13: 26
          +1
          "In addition to ZIL, there are many car factories in Russia" - is it? It seems to me that there are "many" assembly plants for foreign models. And what options does Kraz have without modern models of equipment, production facilities and at least some acceptable sales? In our country, the Urals and the UAZ survive rather only due to the state order.
          1. Ensign19
            Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 37
            -1
            They have not a bad lineup, but because of the "owner" everything goes through ... well, you get the idea
          2. K-612-O
            K-612-O 20 November 2020 13: 43
            11
            Have you seen the new civilian Urals? There are quite beautiful cars there, even if they are bonneted tadpoles. I am silent about Kamaz, a lot of them appeared on the long-range. And Kraz got stuck during the period of non-deposits, don't understand where.
          3. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 20 November 2020 13: 46
            +5
            Except ZIL in Russia
            ZIL is no longer there, Sobyanin built commercial housing negative
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 20 November 2020 13: 56
              +7
              Well, the gnome in the cap started, who ruined this plant.
        2. faiver
          faiver 20 November 2020 13: 30
          +1
          Well, somewhere they Bogdans collected from Chinese car sets ...
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 20 November 2020 13: 39
            +2
            Quote: faiver
            Well, somewhere they Bogdans collected from Chinese car sets ...

            A joint venture "MAZ-BOGDAN" worked in Cherkassy, ​​where they assembled Belarusian MAZs under the Bogdan nameplate, now I do not know whether it works or not, but then many of these MAZs appeared in the Ukrainian army. Now Tatra has been chosen, apparently the friendship with Lukashenka is over, although Tatra is NATO, therefore the choice is the same.
          2. Ensign19
            Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 40
            -1
            In Cherkasy
            No, not Chinese. From South Korean, Indian and Belarusian
            1. faiver
              faiver 20 November 2020 13: 44
              +5
              Visit, but this is a purebred Chinese
              1. Ensign19
                Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 49
                -1
                I agree, my side laughing
                About "this" I did not remember.
                laughing
        3. Ensign19
          Ensign19 20 November 2020 13: 30
          -2
          How would you like if the accounts are arrested
          "Sumeria", as you say, has a lot, but not about your honor laughing
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 November 2020 13: 16
    +3
    News of "second freshness".
    About two months ago, Lieutenant-General Mikhail Zabrodsky, the former commander of the airborne assault forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, People's Deputy, First Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence, reported about this.
    The domestic mobile complex of anti-ship cruise missiles 360MTS "Neptune" can be ordered not in the chassis of the Ukrainian "KrAZ", but based on the Czech "Tatras".

    A decision was made to replace the domestic basic machines of the complex - KrAZ-7634 with Czech Tatra machines. The use of Czech machines, which are twice as expensive as KrAZ, will not only increase budget expenditures, but also hit the families of Kremenchuk machine builders. Not to mention the already critical state of the only domestic machine-building plant!
  8. Free wind
    Free wind 20 November 2020 13: 29
    -1
    Kraz has been on the verge for a long time, the boulder does not fit in size, the width is large. It is forbidden to move on public roads. Therefore, it cannot be operated on farms, and it is squalor as a Kraz car. Actually, Tatra is on the verge of bankruptcy.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 November 2020 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      and like a car Kraz squalor.
      If you are talking about a car from the movie "The Rumyantsev Case" or "Spring on Zarechnaya Street" then yes, I can agree. And about the common roads ... My colleague in the GDR dragged tanks on a semitrailer. True, the Germans laughed at us ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 20 November 2020 18: 25
        -1
        I'll put a video, though it's not KRAZ, but MAZ ...
      2. Free wind
        Free wind 20 November 2020 18: 29
        -1
        Tanks are not carried on semi-trailers, the dimensions do not allow, tanks are carried on trawls laughing In the spring, I remember the YAZ 200-205, yes there were dump trucks, and maybe MAZs already, but there were no KrAZ trucks. with the bastard you.
  9. Kushka
    Kushka 20 November 2020 13: 37
    10
    Tatra, it is also Tatra in Africa.
    I heard a Soviet bike - in one career they switched
    to the Tatras. Heavy trucks, serpentine, hot in summer.
    Guys and so, and so - overheat, air-cooled
    all the same. Done a claim (warranty machines). Arrived
    representative (the tester herself). She sat down, started and drove along
    serpentine - worked half a shift with a load and everything is fine.
    It also tells you what the average technological speed is.
    20 km, they say. And I have 40! You need to ride, not crawl. And she left.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 20 November 2020 14: 01
      -1
      She, the test representative, taught how to ride in Java, apparently the same on Magiruses.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 20 November 2020 14: 53
      0
      Quote: Kushka
      Tatra, it is also Tatra in Africa.

      So KRAZ was going to Nigeria, almost a year ago - "The agreement on long-term cooperation between PJSC AvtoKrAZ and Proforce Limited provides for the production of heavy road vehicles under the KRAZ-PROFORCE brand ... During the next year, the partnership will be aimed at producing world-class trucks, which are designed in accordance with the needs of the markets of Nigeria and Africa "... it seems that the Nigerians will not wait for their Krazov, like the Peruvians of the ANs ....
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 20 November 2020 16: 19
        +4
        That Benya, that Zhevago is a classic of the genre (of what is scam)
        Lesson from Beni: takes a huge loan, the bank requires collateral
        (equivalent). Benya is laying the "euro" stadium in the Dnieper.
        Credit in your pocket. The time comes to give ("only suckers give")
        Take the deposit. The National Bank on its hind legs is a "industrial zone" today.
        Benya - this is not necessary - we look at the documents, book value ...
        Bottom line: we climb higher in the Dnieper and wallow - the stadiumooon is on sale, ay!
        In response, silence, except for $ 5. The curtain.
        Lesson from Zhevago: White Church, tire factory, almost a giant.
        We take a loan, we also take a loan, then we also take a loan.
        Stop, it's time to give. There is a meeting of shareholders and, lo and behold
        liquidate JSC, create TWO JSC. Liabilities and
        declared the legal successor. Everything "sweet" goes to
        another joint-stock company, clean in front of the bank, government and people-
        because the "division into production and commercial
        component - a global trend "- once, not a single employee
        was not fired, all were employed in new structures and two are happy.
        (we require a medal, or at least a certificate)
        The newly created bankrupt goes back to the Seller -Derjmain-
        TOGETHER WITH LONG. Ie. the state (Derzhmaino) will give
        state (National Bank) debt Zhevago. Or let him find a new investor.
        Curtain, Loud applause, everyone stands up and wave their fists.
        And talk about Africa - well, it was necessary to weave something so that loans
        gave. Dyr @ k @ doesn't need a knife ......
    3. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 20 November 2020 19: 30
      0
      Lazha, I asked about the woman in Korpzhevnitsa at the factory, she was never there!
      And the air duct clutch on the fan must be properly adjusted and everything is fine.
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 21 November 2020 10: 51
        0
        anecdote has been walking and living since the first delivery of the Tatras in the fifties of the last century ...
        1. 75 Sergey
          75 Sergey 26 November 2020 18: 59
          0
          They think Ledwinka is a woman
  10. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 20 November 2020 13: 43
    +1
    Tatra reliable auto-moto good choice
  11. deniso
    deniso 20 November 2020 13: 47
    0
    Sorry for a plant with a rich history ...
  12. cniza
    cniza 20 November 2020 13: 50
    +6
    Considering that KrAZ is now going through bankruptcy proceedings


    Achieves the latter ...
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 November 2020 13: 50
    +3
    So the Czechs will get a little fat from the idiots. fellow
  14. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 November 2020 14: 18
    +3
    For Russia, this is good news, which means that all Ukrainian equipment will become more expensive both in repair and in operation, and there will also be more problems with spare parts.

    And there will be fewer jobs in Ukraine, not only because of Kraz, but also because of its subcontractors. Less jobs means less taxes to the budget.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 20 November 2020 14: 22
    0
    Quote: Petro_tut
    Tatra reliable auto-moto good choice

    Usually, in such cases, at that company, in that country is a holiday. The only supplier! But Czechs are too early to rejoice. Ukraine will buy in single copies - no pennies. hi
  16. Tavi
    Tavi 20 November 2020 14: 27
    +4
    Now Keywords Ukraine: "Going", "Want", "In the future", "Planning"
  17. Kushka
    Kushka 20 November 2020 14: 39
    +2
    How to say. In terms of costs, the VAZ cannot be compared.
    5s, 6s in the AIM were worked out before slaughter, and then
    they worked even "after death" -simages on the roads -
    no oil, no rubber, even though it was all a penny.
    Now Ukrposhta, Ambulance, Police - all in the western
    automotive industry -Japan, France, Czechs. There and butter
    change, and the rack - and all this on commercial vehicles
    services - "crazy money" (Raikin). And broke
    smashed them how many - hundreds. So jobs are in the black.
  18. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 20 November 2020 14: 46
    0
    Well vashshsche, L-logic !!!!
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 21 November 2020 20: 36
      +1
      The principal is walking along the school corridor, in the classrooms
      studies are in progress. And here is the little kid - stop, come here, why
      not in class? And I was kicked out of class. For what?
      And I ruined the air. I did not understand, the director escaped,
      but where is the logic?
  19. abc_alex
    abc_alex 20 November 2020 15: 16
    +1
    We will have to tell Ukraine that it can produce all the cereals for Europe, but in return - no machine production. Cars can be made in Poland.

    Lech Walesa. Interview ZEIT ONLINE. year 2012.
  20. viktor.
    viktor. 20 November 2020 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    To finish KRAZ to zero, and then restore the production of cars? Iron logic

    A little later than ours. Kamaz also practically does not produce anything of its own, Chinese trucks. Engines Manufactured in China under license from Kamins (USA) and Mercedes (Germany), gearbox under the name ZF (Germany), also China, Merritor Bridges (USA) produced in China ,,, Electrics, everything is produced in China.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 November 2020 17: 36
      +1
      Unfortunately, this model is now used on all trucks ...... There is a production of different Cabins and a Liebherr 380-480-550-750hp diesel engine and based on some +2 cylinder. We haven't reached the bridges yet. For a better situation, the demand for trucks in the country should be large (this is the cant of Ukraine) and in the Russian Federation it is not so great that it would produce all the components.
  21. Kushka
    Kushka 20 November 2020 16: 44
    0
    I read somewhere long ago that the same Americans who did everything -
    from Parker to Saturn 5, there was and is a complete zero in optics.
    We decided not to start. As a result, all optics, including fighters
    Japanese was and is. I don't know how true this is - but the main thing
    YOU DON'T KNOW - DON'T KEEP (don't make people laugh) Well, what the hell
    car manufacturer from Ukraine - what 50 years ago, what now.
    And yet, can anyone remember the Soviet bike, so how many videos
    did the Japanese make from one Kraz?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 November 2020 17: 38
      0
      They have a reserve currency. Aruble, except for the Russian Federation, is not needed by anyone. And if you look at who owns all the key manufacturers of military equipment ... you will be surprised - the Americans. And no one can sell anything anywhere without their knowledge
  22. Lesorub
    Lesorub 20 November 2020 16: 57
    +1
    Due to the bankruptcy of KrAZ, the Ukrainian army plans to switch to a single Tatra chassis

    Everything is according to plan - to destroy "our own" production, to launch foreign production - everyone wins - except for the independent one.
  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 November 2020 17: 33
    0
    Everything is fine, but you will have to pay for the Tatra and its parts in Euro ...
  24. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 20 November 2020 17: 51
    0
    It’s a pity, however ... Well, our leadership acted in the same way, destroying ZIL! What's wrong?! Why the hell do we have residential buildings and dozens of floors instead of the legendary factory? negative Moscow should not be built up, but resettled.
  25. SPQR
    SPQR 20 November 2020 18: 33
    -1
    It's not about KrAZ ... Tfu on him ...
    This magic word NATO ... beckons, beckons, caresses the ear, dizzy ...
    Tfu shameful ...
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  27. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 20 November 2020 19: 27
    0
    They will not have enough bablos for Tatra
  28. Begunok
    Begunok 20 November 2020 19: 56
    +1
    KrAZ was overwhelmed and complained .. Here Belarus has retained its car factories and even quite promising .. Now they are trying to bankrupt, as in principle, and ALL Belarus angry Everything goes according to the templates. Eh people of Ukraine, how you were thrown and duped, and most importantly they want to pour blood against each other
  29. Constanty
    Constanty 20 November 2020 19: 59
    +1
    I'm sorry - as a child, who often watched the passing KRAZ 255, which caused strong impressions and seemed to be an emanation of power, I feel sorry for the plant - and this is very surprising and bad for the state authorities - on the other hand, in Poland both Jelcz and Star experienced great similar problems after the transition to "capitalism" actually look like a hostile takeover by the West
  30. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 20 November 2020 20: 42
    +1
    Ukraine recently bought 26 152mm self-propelled guns vz. Dana from the Czech Republic - gone (good rollback ...). Now deepen cooperation - buy Tatra chassis ...
  31. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 20 November 2020 22: 12
    0
    KABAL Zelensky knows the case for that she and the bondage.
  32. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 20 November 2020 22: 53
    +1
    (yawning) It is not the success of the Tatra that amazes me, but
    failure of Kraz, who had everything for
    development.
  33. Eug
    Eug 20 November 2020 23: 07
    0
    As for me, Ukrainian politicians care about their future. Whoever writes an agreement on English boats - read that, a residence permit in England is ready, for French helicopters - in France, but someone modestly will be content with a residence permit in the Czech Republic. As I understand it, many politicians from the upper echelon do not believe in the future of Ukraine and are preparing alternate airfields for themselves, so the list of such agreements will expand under the slogans "to NATO" and "away from Sovka."
  34. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 November 2020 23: 31
    0
    Everything is logical. Agrarian superpower. Seeds, lard, cheap labor.
  35. Eug
    Eug 20 November 2020 23: 32
    0
    Well, in a new reality for itself, Ukraine is looking for economic niches. God forbid, if there is metal (at least in the form of semi-finished products) to supply for boats, Tatras and anything else with a high surplus value that will be bought.
  36. Adimius38
    Adimius38 20 November 2020 23: 45
    0
    What is Ukraine, and who, excuse me, destroyed the ZIL plant? ALSO Ukraine? We have no less, I would say who, but you cannot write curses here that have destroyed and are destroying enterprises with a long history. It was necessary to raze the oldest Zilovo plant to the ground, to raze the Zil museum to the ground, just to take and trample our history with a bulldozer. Destroy a century-old plant. There is nothing sacred, only money and greed, and this is in the capital of our Motherland. And we are still talking about KRAZ. we cannot keep ours.
  37. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 21 November 2020 00: 12
    -1
    Ay. Ukrainians, including Svidomye - is it true or not? Otherwise I have been hearing lately that this is all Russian propaganda.
    1. Vovk
      Vovk 21 November 2020 17: 50
      0
      As for the bankruptcy of Kraz, this has been going on for 7-8 years. The story is dark, connected with the loss of not only the loans issued to Kraz. A lot of money allocated by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the purchase of a car was also lost, i.e. Kraz accepted the money and that's it, the military never saw the car. And since the car is already needed now, there are talks about buying them from the Tatra. Why did the conversation go about interaction with Tatra, and so, an hour of components for them has long been made in Ukraine ...
      I will note that many development topics related to strategic directions in the industry and military affairs of Ukraine are now not published in the open press and on the Internet.
  38. barium
    barium 21 November 2020 15: 45
    0
    from their own, rollback does not work, so they chose the Tatra !!!
  39. cesar65
    cesar65 21 November 2020 19: 23
    0
    “Where is the money, Zin?”
  40. vladimych
    vladimych 21 November 2020 20: 23
    0
    There are three wipers on the Tatra, but there is a lintel in the middle. An interesting solution.
  41. agoran
    agoran 21 November 2020 20: 38
    0
    Hmm, the descendants of the ancient Sumerians were completely dull.
    As far as I remember, the KRAZ engine ate everything, any "diesel", jet fuel, etc.
    Are you planning to buy fuel and lubricants for Tatra in the EU?
  42. Kushka
    Kushka 21 November 2020 20: 52
    0
    Quote: 75Sergey
    Lazha, I asked about the woman in Korpzhevnitsa at the factory, she was never there!

    Quote: Free Wind
    She, the test representative, taught how to ride in Java, apparently the same on Magiruses.

    There are only misogynists on VO! Well, what a pity?
    Well, let it be - both in Java and on the Tatras and on the Magirus.
    A beautiful story about a woman.
    There the French had the Maid of Orleans, so revered
    so far, from the castle in Chenon a museum has been made.
    And no matter how Pugachev is, so is Stenka Razin, no matter how
    Chapaev, so Mishka Yaponchik, Makhno and Kotovsky.
    (I wanted to mention Tereshkova, I was lost in
    or this)
  43. Dinar Gizatullin
    Dinar Gizatullin 22 November 2020 10: 05
    +1
    The wider the gap between the workers and the Ukronazis, the better!