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What cannot be hidden for a long time? Space "achievements" of the United States

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There is a famous saying by Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha):


"Three things cannot be hidden for a long time: the sun, the moon and the truth (or truth)."

One way or another, but I want to speak about it.

America's aggressive plan to capture the moon


Let's start with the moon.

Not so long ago, in a sensational decree by Donald Trump in support of the commercial development of resources on the Moon and other celestial bodies, it was noted that the United States does not consider space as a public domain.

This decree emphasized that the United States no longer recognizes the Agreement on the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, adopted by a resolution of the UN General Assembly in December 1979.

It turns out that by doing so, the United States also violated its obligations under the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which defined the moon as the "heritage of humanity" that cannot belong to any nation.

The Roscosmos corporation reacted to such American initiatives. So, for example, Deputy General Director for International Cooperation S.V. Saveliev described the American document as an aggressive plan for the actual seizure of territories of other planets and an attempt to expropriate outer space.

In addition, the press secretary of the Russian president Dmitry Peskov reported that, in general, this idea of ​​the United States worried the presidential administration as well.

So, the United States refuses to consider the Moon the property of all mankind and intends to single-handedly begin the extraction of resources on it. But that's not all.

If you recall the words of Donald Trump, in his outgoing presidency, then America should also become the first country whose astronauts will plant their flag on Mars.

Should we take it seriously? Does the United States have any special rights to the Moon, as well as real opportunities to exploit it?


The triumphant landing of the Americans on the moon in the last century, when the USA and the USSR competed in space, is hardly a reason to consider the Moon the property of the United States.

On the contrary, against the background of the growing doubts of the world community about the reality of the conquest of the moon by American astronauts, such a statement is more like just a PR move to strengthen the prestige of the United States.

Let's try to figure it out.

Was there a "little American step" on the moon?


Many years have passed, the XNUMXst century has come, but even now not a single American lunar rover has appeared. The moon for the United States after the world triumph remained generally forgotten and unnecessary with all its "resources".

Many people remember Neil Armstrong's captivating and effective phrase:

“This is one small step for man, but a giant leap for all mankind.”

But the fact of the matter is that there is no convincing evidence of even this small (and even more so large) step of the Americans on the Moon.

There is no such evidence, there are only technical projects, as it could be, demonstration starts and the same returns, and pictures under the scandalous confession of Kubrick.

Such American programs as the Lunar Orbiter and the unexpected landing of astronauts are far from the same thing.

I will say right away that no one is obliged to prove that the Americans did not land on the moon. It is the United States who must convincingly prove that their astronauts really were there. Spectacular starts broadcast to the whole world are not proof. Moreover, with active opposition to Soviet ships, track the true trajectory of missiles. Why hide the truth, given the indicative openness of launches?

It is useful to remember that only the Soviet Union was the first to create lunar rovers, the first to automatically take soil samples from the Moon and deliver them to Earth.

If not evidence - and splashdown of American capsules with vigorous astronauts, not at all similar to those who returned after a long space flight.

Real Soviet cosmonauts from orbit looked completely different, despite the fact that the vital volume in our spaceships was larger, and our cosmonauts breathed normal air, and not dangerous oxygen under reduced pressure, as noted in the Apollo.

The talks themselves from space and from the moon can be faked. The signal from a high geostationary orbit is difficult to distinguish, repeaters on the moon itself, all this can be prepared in advance. This is also not one hundred percent proof.

Corner reflectors? There are also Soviet corner reflectors on the Moon: two corner reflectors were delivered with our lunar rovers.

At the same time, when comparing, there is reason to believe that the lunar relief itself protrudes and protrudes beyond the American corner reflectors, and NASA could use the well-located slopes and faults of the lunar surface, determined from the Earth, stating them as the installation site.

The accuracy when using American reflectors is much inferior to the Soviet reflector from Lunokhod-1 (on Lunokhod-2, the reflector is not directed correctly due to an error in maneuvering).

NASA attributed the worst signal to the fact that their reflectors were allegedly "dusty".

However, they have a lot to explain in this way, a lot of inconsistencies and blunders, for the justification of which NASA does not get tired of twisting itself out, finding excuses.

It is especially impressive how, in fact, a crude rocket, without proper tests, suddenly appeared, was immediately determined to send people into space, having completed all missions without failures, being to this day unsurpassed in power, and immediately forgotten forever after.

How in general is it possible, without having the experience of returning to Earth with a second cosmic speed, even for 300-gram cargo, to immediately and successfully send your astronauts, bypassing all the stages necessary to prepare such a complex mission as landing a man on the lunar surface?

Do you believe in missing evidence?


Kubrick's confession, diapers, rag suits - these are little things. The most important evidence (photo and film footage, kilograms of lunar soil) strangely disappears from NASA's storage facilities, and previously distributed soil samples turn out to be fake. Isn't it too strange for honest and scrupulous gentlemen?

NASA has a lot to attract and justify. But it turns out that everything that happened is more suitable for only one "belief" in this event. Moreover, this belief is based solely on what was able to see and hear from the conquerors of the moon themselves.

You can come up with anything. But the obvious fact is that the United States was then lagging behind the USSR in the development of manned astronautics and in general in space exploration, acting as a catch-up.

Only with the Space Shuttle program did the American cosmonautics move away from the sonicated oxygen environment in a reduced pressure, switching to breathing air, as was the case in Soviet programs initially. Some experts only from this moment suspect the beginning of real flights of the Americans into space orbit.

The US could not build a real orbital station on its own. The ISS appeared thanks to Soviet space developments.

F-1 engines (with fantastic power and reliability) appeared from nowhere and disappeared into nowhere. And the States themselves are not shy about buying Soviet RD-180s from Russia.

Kondratyuk track with maximum exposure


Now let's talk about the Sun. Here it is difficult for the gentlemen from NASA to invent something, because we are talking about facts.

All launches of the American "Apollo" to the Moon were to take place during the years of maximum activity of the Sun - this is a concrete astronomical fact.

Moreover, there are previously announced NASA launch trajectories. This is the "Kondratyuk track".

The Americans did not know then that there would be a lethal dose of radiation, and there was no chance of survival - if there were astronauts in their Apollo at that level of protection.

Little information was available at the time about the Earth's radiation belts. What previously seemed suitable for the flight pattern turned out to be unacceptable in reality. This is from the category when one wanted "the best" or more plausible, borrowing everything from scientific articles: the idea of ​​a gravitational maneuver and the idea of ​​a shared spacecraft.


It was then known that the "Kondratyuk track" is a trajectory with minimal energy consumption during launch. But what was not known then was that this was the most dangerous route for the radiation of the crew.

Passage along the so-called Kondratyuk route would occur through these radiation belts in places where the concentration of protons, electrons and other radioactive particles is maximum.

During thirty minutes of flight through these radiation belts, the Americans should have received doses from 200 to 250 Curies only on secondary radiation - this is hard X-ray and gamma radiation from the deceleration of electrons and protons by the ship's hull.

It is interesting that a possible scandal in the objection of our scientists to the very reality of American flights at that time was "extinguished" by an order from the Central Committee of the CPSU to the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences. Then it was recommended to forget about the Kondratyuk track and radiation belts and literally "not to annoy our American friends."

Further, the conquerors of the moon and the winners in the space race (who declared the Soviet Union an evil empire), it turns out, inflamed with goodness and love for the country defeated in space and made unprecedented concessions.

US President Richard Nixon flew to Moscow for once. Recognizing the victory of capitalism in space, the Soviet leadership received an era of detente, and Leonid Ilyich personally also received personal expensive gifts.

The apotheosis of "friendship" was already a joint space show under the Soyuz-Apollo program, after which a direct participant in the program, our cosmonaut Leonov, became an ardent supporter of the American landing on the Moon.

Solid falsification from hopelessness


It is assumed that the exposure of the United States to a lie would then put the world on the brink of war, the States would simply not be able to survive the national shame. The losing United States in space needed a revenge victory at any cost, they got it.

Everyone is happy, the era of detente from American concessions passed under Brezhnev into an era of stagnation.

It turns out that the war was avoided, the USA paid off dearly. But was it worth it for the USSR?

Could the richest and most industrially developed capitalist country really fall behind in space so that all of its manned astronautics, at best, achieved only suborbital jumps in Gemini? And all further (according to "Apollo") - a complete falsification of hopelessness, including an unprecedented cost of the lunar scam? Monstrous lies and stolen glory?

Who lied once, who will believe you


As the saying goes:

"Who lied once, who will believe you?"

What cannot be hidden for a long time? Space "achievements" of the United States

Here, American rovers are now plowing the vastness of Mars, despising distance, time and colossal sandstorms. At the same time, a lemming carcass, a human shadow, or a landscape is very reminiscent of the Canadian island of Devon.

As for the nearer target, "late at night, the moon alone shines so seductively in the sky." NASA is not at all interesting even for practicing the navigation of their alien "rovers" or for "cleaning" their corner reflectors.

If it were not for Trump (with his "privatization" of the moon), no one would have remembered her.


The truth is somewhere nearby


As a result, a few words about the truth.

Everything secret will someday become apparent - it is infinitely impossible to lie.

There is a book by Bill Kaysing "We've Never Been on the Moon." Read who is interested.

Let everyone decide for himself where the truth is. As voiced in the American TV series "The X-Files": the truth is somewhere near (The truth is somewhere near).
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 18 November 2020 18: 07
    -16 qualifying.
    Tales of the Bremen forests ...
    Until no one flew to the moon, Mars ...
    and did not prove / disprove, we can only guess!
    It is a worthy occupation to incriminate, deny, etc. what is really not possible to prove yet !?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 18 November 2020 18: 18
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      Quote: rocket757
      Until no one flew to the moon, Mars ...
      and did not prove / disprove, we can only guess!

      Did Gagarin fly?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 18 November 2020 18: 27
        -22 qualifying.
        Gagarin's flight is a conspiracy. Because "there is not ONE proof of Gagarin's flight into space," and all the video materials were made in the pavilion, that is, forged. And not a single representative of "independent ufologists" was invited to the event. Conspiracies are commonplace, so Gagarin is a conspiracy between Mosfilm and Mikhalkov.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 18 November 2020 18: 44
          15
          Mikhalkov - definitely not! At this time he served urgently.
          1. Temples
            Temples 19 November 2020 10: 11
            15
            The worse education becomes in the country, the more people become believers in American nonsense about flights to the moon.
            And people who missed their education in school ask such questions
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Did Gagarin fly?

            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            Gagarin's flight is a conspiracy. Because


            They think they were joking, but the "joke" gives out their certificate.

            I will tell the "jokers" that rivals knew about every flight of our Russian discoverers in advance. For to confirm what happened, the Anglo-Saxons were provided with information in advance for the possibility of tracking the feat of Russian scientists-engineers-workers.
            And this is a publicly available fact.
            That is why the Americans have never had questions about the authenticity of our successes.

            But on the part of the Americans, nothing like this has ever been done.
            The Americans only demonstrated launches.
            And then everything was in secret.

            And if there is no proof, then only faith remains.

            But the American president is not Jesus Christ.
            There is no faith in the Americans because deception is the nature of the American.

            So, if there is evidence, then you are welcome.
            And if there are none, then there are no American moon rovers. Neither human nor machine.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 19 November 2020 11: 42
              +3
              Quote: Temples
              The worse education becomes in the country, the more people become believers in American nonsense about flights to the moon.
              And people who missed their education in school ask such questions
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Did Gagarin fly?

              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              Gagarin's flight is a conspiracy. Because


              They think they were joking, but the "joke" gives out their certificate.

              I will tell the "jokers" that rivals knew about every flight of our Russian discoverers in advance. For to confirm what happened, the Anglo-Saxons were provided with information in advance for the possibility of tracking the feat of Russian scientists-engineers-workers.
              And this is a publicly available fact.
              That is why the Americans have never had questions about the authenticity of our successes.

              But on the part of the Americans, nothing like this has ever been done.
              The Americans only demonstrated launches.
              And then everything was in secret.

              And if there is no proof, then only faith remains.

              But the American president is not Jesus Christ.
              There is no faith in the Americans because deception is the nature of the American.

              So, if there is evidence, then you are welcome.
              And if there are none, then there are no American moon rovers. Neither human nor machine.

              The worse education becomes in the country, the more rams appear who believe not in scientists, but in obscurantists. In the USSR, no one had any doubts about the flight of amers, people had developed critical thinking and they could compare facts. Now any Vasya with the education of a locksmith considers it his duty, sitting on the couch under a beer, pouring what Americans are stupid and how they did not fly.
              1. Local from the Volga
                Local from the Volga 19 November 2020 22: 06
                +2
                absolutely right!
              2. nemez
                nemez 20 November 2020 04: 58
                +3
                So you don't compare the facts.
              3. bayard
                bayard 20 November 2020 05: 17
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                Quote: Vol4ara
                In the USSR, no one had any doubts about the flight of amers, people had developed critical thinking and they could compare facts.

                If you are talking about ordinary - uninvolved Soviet people, then perhaps so. In my school years, I myself was like that - I collected all the materials about the American lunar program, I had a large color clipping photo of Armstrong in a spacesuit on the Moon and Saturn 5 from different angles on my wall ... and of course Gagarin.
                But I finished school and entered a military university. And there with me in the same group (platoon) the son of a colonel from Baikonur studied (he served there from the first launches), and from him I first heard about the lunar scam. And it was in 1985.
                And about the fact that the entire "chronicle" was filmed by Kubrick, I also heard then ... For me it was ... a shock.
                Then, in the files of the intelligence bulletins for that time (1969 - 1972), I saw a photo report about the American "moon spacesuit" ... with zippers (!!!).
                And then for 3 years I ensured the landing of all spacecraft, including the Buran.
                And also, after a little time, I met our Soviet designers who participated in OUR "Lunar program" - they created a lunar landing module, at the final stage they regularly communicated with our "lunar team" of astronauts ...
                And I'll tell you what.
                Soviet scientists and designers, as well as many involved in the space industry, knew perfectly well that the Americans did not fly anywhere. They knew there was a conspiracy to recognize American "flights". But they were under a nondisclosure agreement.
                I communicated with the designers of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau much later than the liquidation of the USSR (at the turn of the 90s and 00s) ...
                So many people knew and know (who remained of the witnesses) about this scam.
                But today I heard for the first time about a letter with a recommendation from the Central Committee to the Academy of Sciences, although there is nothing surprising here.

                Not a single engineer, immersed in the details of the American "lunar program", can ignore many paradoxes, exaggerations and outright falsifications and misinformation. You just need to have an EDUCATION, non-partisanship and honesty.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 22 November 2020 18: 18
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  Then, in the files of the intelligence bulletins for that time (1969 - 1972), I saw a photo report about the American "moon spacesuit" ... with zippers (!!!).

                  And you just had to turn on your head. It is two-layer, the first is sealed without zippers, the second is leaky with zippers, serving as a frame for equipment and protection from rough influences. So sit down 2 engineer
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 22 November 2020 22: 51
                    +6
                    There was something to turn on the head, and without your "recommendations. There will be five jambs in a spacesuit alone. These" spacesuits could not work in space. For a variety of reasons, they could not. It was just a dummy.
                    And there were a lot of such dummies and imitators in this "program".
                    Don't defend what you don't know.
                    To argue, you need to know.
                    And in my youth, I myself was an adherent and admirer of the "American lunar program", a bunch of materials from open and not very print about its progress, publications in the mid-60s (before the first flights) about the development, testing, training ... I even I did my first youthful calculations on the basis of data on "Saturn-5" ...
                    The disappointment was all the bitter.
                    Do not aggravate your future disappointment in this bluff and hoax.
                    hi
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 23 November 2020 09: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: bayard
                      There was something to turn on the head, and without your "recommendations. There will be five jambs in a spacesuit alone. These" spacesuits could not work in space. For a variety of reasons, they could not. It was just a dummy.
                      And there were a lot of such dummies and imitators in this "program".
                      Don't defend what you don't know.
                      To argue, you need to know.
                      And in my youth, I myself was an adherent and admirer of the "American lunar program", a bunch of materials from open and not very print about its progress, publications in the mid-60s (before the first flights) about the development, testing, training ... I even I did my first youthful calculations on the basis of data on "Saturn-5" ...
                      The disappointment was all the bitter.
                      Do not aggravate your future disappointment in this bluff and hoax.
                      hi

                      With all due respect, I will trust the scientists and my head, not the commentators from the forum. All doubts have already been answered
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 23 November 2020 09: 56
                        0
                        Don't confuse excuses with answers.
                        Until now, not a single answer has been given ... from the dynamic characteristics of Saturn-5 to the absence of "hundreds of kilograms" of lunar soil in NASA's storage facilities and the originals of film with a chronicle of these flights.
                        And don't confuse crooks with scientists.
                        Just as one should not confuse an honest man and cosmonaut Yu.A. Gagarin, who did not agree to collusion and admit falsification, and Leonov, a traitor and propagandist of "American achievements".
                        ... for a career, candy wrappers and promotions ...
              4. poquello
                poquello 21 November 2020 19: 44
                +2
                Quote: Vol4ara
                In the USSR, no one had any doubts about the flight of amers, people had developed critical thinking and they could compare facts.

                come on, come on! compare the facts! there are many good questions in the article to which I do not see good answers
              5. zenion
                zenion 22 November 2020 18: 12
                +1
                Vol4ara (Alexander) You are right! Mikhail Zadornov was "dumb". Those who do not believe the Americans and say that they are stupid are not allowed in the studio of Gollywood, where they can see with their own eyes a spaceship flying anywhere as much as necessary on superluminal starships, with tractor suspensions, to all extremities of the Universe through black and blackish holes.
              6. Mikhalych
                Mikhalych 23 November 2020 13: 17
                0
                In the USSR, no one had any doubts about the flight of amers, people had developed critical thinking and they could compare facts.

                What do you know about Soviet times? Apparently nothing. Then there was no tyrnet. The sources of information were Soviet newspapers and enemy voices. The Kremlin's fart traded the primogeniture for lentil stew. We are still working on the consequences.
                hi
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 19 November 2020 18: 22
              10
              Quote: Temples

              So, if there is evidence, then you are welcome.
              And if there are none, then there are no American moon rovers. Neither human nor machine.

              Gentlemen - comrades, the article is not about that. The article is about -
              = The Roscosmos corporation reacted to such American initiatives. So, for example, Deputy General Director for International Cooperation S.V. Saveliev described the American document as an aggressive plan for the actual seizure of territories of other planets and an attempt to expropriate outer space. =
              And who can prevent the Americans from doing this, a plan to capture planets? Is it Honduras?
              What I mean is that while Roskosmos will react to such documents in this way, and not create its own space technology capable of "exploiting the resources of the Moon, etc.", then what the mattress makers dream of will happen.
              And, in my opinion, we should not be indignant with this mattress plan, but with the state of affairs in our "Roscosmos".
              Because if it goes on like this, then the mattress covers will in fact master the Moon and other Mars.
              Auto RU. In vain so much space in the article is devoted to "flights of mattress to the moon". This myth has been dispelled for a long time. Moreover, it is dispelled PROVEN.
              In general, the article is good.
            3. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 20 November 2020 15: 00
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              I will tell the "jokers" that rivals knew about every flight of our Russian discoverers in advance.

              To begin with, in this context, it is more appropriate to say "Soviet discoverers". Because the flight into space of Yuri Gagarin was provided by the multinational Soviet people, and among the cosmonauts were not only Russian surnames.
              Quote: Temples
              For to confirm what happened, the Anglo-Saxons were provided with information in advance for the possibility of tracking the feat of Russian scientists-engineers-workers.

              And the Anglo-Saxons, then the information was not provided? Please tell me why then, in your opinion, the USSR did not begin to refute the flight of the Americans to the moon, moreover, it recognized and congratulated them on this achievement?
              1. zenion
                zenion 22 November 2020 18: 35
                0
                aleksejkabanets (Alexey) There was no satellite either. They simply painted it with paint, or glued aluminum foil onto an ordinary balloon that could be bought at a toy store, glued ram's horns to it, an airplane flew and pulled this balloon behind it, and a tape recorder was tied behind it, which kept beeping all the time. I can even say that this ball often flew over the city in which I lived and tried to knock it down with a slingshot, but the pebbles did not fall, probably the wrong system was, I could not knock it down. And one guy had a transistor receiver and we heard it peak-to-peak, until the time it was hidden behind the horizon, or he sat in the garden to be launched when it was getting dark. After all, the pilot had to be fed. And over the horizon there was a melon of watermelons, so delicious, as if a pilot with a frog sat there.
            4. itis
              itis 21 November 2020 20: 13
              -1
              what was wrong with the Americans. everyone was lying then. and Gagarin went down by parachute, not in a capsule. This is practically suicide at that time.
            5. Barmal
              Barmal 22 November 2020 15: 53
              0
              https://topwar.ru/99530-o-proze-zhizni-v-missiyah-apollo.html
          2. nznz
            nznz 19 November 2020 13: 08
            0
            In 1961? October 21, 1945 in 1955 he was 10 years old, in 1961 he was 16 years old. no he couldn’t in any way. he was still a puppy.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 18 November 2020 18: 49
          -1
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          conspiracy of Mosfilm and Mikhalkov.

          Mikhalkov was not yet ...
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 November 2020 20: 23
            0
            In April sixty-first?
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 19 November 2020 10: 01
            +1
            Are there few Mikhalkovs in Russia? And do not count (tse).
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 November 2020 10: 38
              +1
              For instance? Someone who is heard by the mass media and has / was related to propaganda.
        3. Thrifty
          Thrifty 18 November 2020 18: 55
          +2
          Bashkirkhan, what about the eyewitnesses of his landing?
          1. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 19 November 2020 22: 08
            0
            tight with irony ?!
        4. mister-red
          mister-red 19 November 2020 00: 26
          14
          In fact, the Americans knew about Gagarin after 10-20 minutes of flight. Therefore, no one has ever expressed doubts about this.
        5. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
          Muddy Seeing ORACLE 19 November 2020 02: 26
          13
          And in general, space does not really exist, all this is a matrix ... No.
          1. nznz
            nznz 19 November 2020 13: 10
            +1
            take it wider - Kant wrote a long time ago - that it all only seems to us. Absolutely everything. And the fact that I'm now pressing my fingers on the keyboard is just a feeling .. purely mentally.
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 24 November 2020 19: 18
              0
              Quote: nznz
              take it wider - Kant wrote a long time ago - that it all only seems to us. Absolutely everything. And the fact that I'm now pressing my fingers on the keyboard is just a feeling .. purely mentally.

              I bet you haven't read Kant.
              1. nznz
                nznz 24 November 2020 19: 32
                0
                what? you seem to be whistled and you are now literate.

                in my time they were forced to read-Polit economy, dialectical materialism (dialectical materialism) and others read.
          2. zenion
            zenion 22 November 2020 18: 42
            0
            Muddy-Seeing ORACULUS (Artur) What an encore is the Cosmos, if above a flat planet the firmament on which the Sun and the Moon roll, in turn. If they broke through the firmament, then all the water that dwells on the firmament would rush and flood the entire flat earth and the ocean that is located around the flat planet, in which a turtle swims, on which there are 1001 elephants and a rookh bird flies a kilometer long and 10 kilometers wide, and when a feather falls from it, everyone thinks that this is an alien ship. On the other hand, there are one-eyed giants who feed and milk the elephants.
        6. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 19 November 2020 11: 09
          +2
          What is this nigga doing ?!
        7. krops777
          krops777 19 November 2020 13: 33
          +8
          Gagarin's flight is a conspiracy. Because "there is not ONE proof of Gagarin's flight into space," and all the video materials were made in the pavilion, that is, forged. And not a single representative of "independent ufologists" was invited to the event. Conspiracies are commonplace, so Gagarin is a conspiracy between Mosfilm and Mikhalkov.



          You can get away with it as much as you like, but unlike the USA, the USSR was not noticed in a lie, this is the trait we Russians have to be truth-lovers. Strange as it may seem, American citizens were the first to wonder about flights to the moon, whether NASA was making a fool of them.
          1. MBRSS
            MBRSS 22 November 2020 05: 57
            0
            unlike the USA, the USSR was not noticed in a lie

            Was. For example, when a South Korean Boeing was shot down.
            1. mikstepanenko
              mikstepanenko 23 November 2020 23: 55
              +1
              In the story of the South Korean Boeing, it was the Americans who were seen lying. He flew for another hour and conducted radio traffic after he was "shot down". Michel Bruno book "The Sakhalin Incident".
          2. zenion
            zenion 22 November 2020 18: 49
            0
            krops777 (Alexey) How was it not fooled? If the Germans were defeated by the Americans near Moscow, as well as in Stalingrad, at the Kursk Bulge and took Berlin. And the Soviets only acted that they dropped two atomic bombs on Japan and bombed the American base at Pearl Tudu Harbor. The Soviets still wanted to fix all the damage after the war in the USSR, but the Americans again got ahead of them and restored everything themselves. The Bolsheviks drove Herr Hitler to suicide with vicious pictures in the Soviet media. He could not stand to look at his poorly drawn patrets, he died forever. Americans still cry for him. They wanted to make money on it by planting it in the zoo.
        8. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 19 November 2020 15: 02
          0
          so what? in vain did the Queen "have all her jaws broken?" (c) Y. Dud
          1. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 19 November 2020 17: 55
            +1
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            so what? in vain did the Queen "have all her jaws broken?" (c) Y. Dud

            Analysis of pipes from liberal p-k about broken jaws Korolev.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 19 November 2020 18: 01
              0
              from there and taken if that .. and .. "Sarcasm? - no, have not heard!"
              1. Nitochkin
                Nitochkin 20 November 2020 03: 55
                +2
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                from there and taken if that .. and .. "Sarcasm? - no, have not heard!"

                I'm not for you)
                This is for those who look into the mouth of a pipe and who have brain rudiments. Maybe it will wash away from the Dudevsky slag.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 November 2020 18: 34
        25
        He flew of course! I flew around the plane along the ecliptic, descended to the elephants, flew around them, did not descend to the tortoise (the wave was high), then turned on the "fifth" and, having earned some shunting jobs, "diptanul" to the landing glide path.
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 20
          14
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Flew over the ecliptic plane

          Quite right! The earth is flat but round, the moon and sun are lanterns on the anchors. Therefore, no one can fly to the moon. Historical fact, the flight of Gagarin was calculated for 10 days. But when he flew to the edge, he realized that there was nowhere to fly further and returned ... They made it secret what an edge he was ... steep or gentle.
          Pi is 4 and Acceleration = 10
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 November 2020 19: 41
            +5
            Uh, no! Even the ancient Egyptians meant the number "pi" in the area of ​​the "three", the Greeks (the ancients) assumed "three with a penny", but the Greeks were lazy and things did not go further. But the acceleration of gravity is a constant! A certain Greek Icarus proved it.
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 53
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Uh, no!

              Nope ... They all assumed, but there were no computers to calculate accurately, and only when Cassio calculators appeared, it became possible to calculate with acceptable accuracy.
            2. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 19 November 2020 11: 10
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              But the acceleration of gravity is a constant!

              Actually no, learn physics. The earth is not a perfect sphere, but a slightly flattened geoid. Also rotating.
              The acceleration due to gravity at the Earth's surface g (usually pronounced as "same") varies from 9,780 m / s² at the equator to 9,82 m / s² at the poles.

              Free fall acceleration at the Earth's surface depends on latitude, time of day, atmospheric pressure, and other factors. It can be approximately calculated (in m / s²) using the empirical formula:


              where phi is the latitude of the place in question,
              h - height above sea level in meters.
              The value obtained only approximately coincides with the acceleration of gravity in this place. For more accurate calculations, it is necessary to use one of the models of the Earth's gravitational field, supplementing it with corrections related to the Earth's rotation, tidal effects, and other factors.
            3. zenion
              zenion 22 November 2020 18: 53
              0
              Icarus could not prove it. The propeller that Carlson gave him, without jam, he forgot to eat it, refused. He fell with all his might, broke through the earth and his elephants trampled.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 18 November 2020 19: 56
            +3
            the number of pi is there yet ?? wow, ahhh !!! .................................
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: antivirus
              the number of pi is there yet ?? wow-aaaa !!!

              Why shouldn't he be? The earth is round, you have to find out the circumference ... The Egyptians tried to find out, but only recently succeeded. And the Egyptians were definitely not going to the moon!
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 18 November 2020 21: 42
                +5
                I have always believed that PI is the ratio of the weight of the heap from under the elephant to the temperature of the sand in the savannah (where that elephant grazes)

                as it turned out, yes-aaaa!
          3. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 20 November 2020 11: 08
            +3
            - The Earth, about the most worthy of teachers, has the shape of a flat disc and is washed from all sides by the majestic river - the Ocean. The earth rests on six elephants, and those, in turn, stand on a huge turtle. This is how the world works, oh teacher!
            - Horizon, my highly esteemed teacher, - I dare to name, with your permission, the edge where the crystal dome of the heavens touches the edge of the Earth.

            Lagin. "Stvrik Hottabych"
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 19 November 2020 09: 54
          +1
          I didn't go down to the turtle (the wave was high),

          Colleague, take it easy on the bends. Where are the whales? It's not a turtle, it's whales. And not elephants are standing on them, but diplodocus!
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 November 2020 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Did Gagarin fly?

        Gagarin is ALIVE!
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 19: 02
          +6
          Quote: Stroporez
          Gagarin is ALIVE!

          wait .... And Choi ???
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 November 2020 19: 18
            +2
            You don't know, this is an emerging trend. Secretly, Rogozin personally inspired.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 19: 39
              +8
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Secretly, Rogozin personally inspired.

              Rogozin, Rogozin .... Who is this composer?
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 November 2020 20: 06
                +6
                Well, you really are a sadist! Well, you can't do it by nightfall, on this topic ...
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 20: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Well, you can't do it by nightfall, on this topic ...

                  eh, in vain I only learned Jackson's moonwalk .. And one, you see, did not fly. Ugh, if it was wrong, you can't trust anyone.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 18 November 2020 19: 30
            +7
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            wait .... And Choi ???

            Choi is younger! But with him everything is more difficult ...
          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 04: 18
            0
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            And Choi ???

            And Gandalf?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 November 2020 09: 19
              0
              Wait a minute, gentlemen. So whose spirit are we invoking today?
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 09: 23
                +4
                Dumbledore. He must be homeless somewhere at the station.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 November 2020 09: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Dumbledore.

                  and, I remember this. Can't remember the expedition number only.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 10: 22
                    +4
                    This is a fake shot by Kubrick in Hollywood. The wizards have an air bubble spell, they don't need a spacesuit. It is obvious.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 November 2020 10: 38
                      -1
                      Eh, in vain I skipped pottery lessons at school. I ran off to play football. In the end, he became neither a football player nor an expert potterologist. Sadness.
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 11: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        became neither a footballer nor an expert potterologist

                        In vain. Football players and potterologists see through and through the moon fakes of Americans.
      4. lucul
        lucul 18 November 2020 23: 09
        -6
        Did Gagarin fly?

        To refute at once, it is enough to show clearly the level of radiation on the Moon. Always, everyone refers only to the mathematical calculations of the radiation level. But all calculations must be confirmed by practice.
        And so, radiation, even astronauts on the ISS grab it decently, despite the powerful magnetic field of the Earth.
        1. poquello
          poquello 21 November 2020 20: 08
          0
          Quote: lucul
          Did Gagarin fly?

          To refute at once, it is enough to show clearly the level of radiation on the Moon. Always, everyone refers only to the mathematical calculations of the radiation level. But all calculations must be confirmed by practice.
          And so, radiation, even astronauts on the ISS grab it decently, despite the powerful magnetic field of the Earth.

          as the Chinese say, "the daily dose of ionizing radiation on the moon averages 1369 microsievert", "about 200 times higher than on the surface of the Earth, and 5-10 times higher than on board an aircraft," not that much, but and not without it, it is possible, according to the years of life of astronauts, to conclude that radiation prolongs life)))))), and in Chernobyl there was some kind of incorrect radiation
      5. Esoteric
        Esoteric 19 November 2020 06: 15
        +1
        Of course not. Everyone knows that the Earth is flat. There is no technology yet to get out of the dome. Yeah, EG in action. Although the author - what are the claims? He makes good money on the popularization of such nonsense, and he himself secretly probably laughs at everyone who believes in it.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 November 2020 08: 44
          +3
          Quote: Ezoterik
          Yeah, EG in action.

          The further, the better the degradation of education is noticeable. The school is already teaching "the law of God", well at least exams have not yet been introduced. And what is interesting, from each iron sounds like an article nonsense, then Fomenki with the Nosovskys, then some fortune-tellers. Soon they will start writing dissertations about reptilians.
      6. Robocat
        Robocat 20 November 2020 09: 17
        -1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets

        Did Gagarin fly?

        Is the Earth spherical? And is there a solid dome above it?
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 18 November 2020 18: 22
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      Until no one flew to the moon, Mars ...

      And if someone does, how will he prove that he was there? Video? - Fake. Priming? - From somewhere in the far corner of the Earth. As the author of the article, you cannot prove anything until you personally take him to the moon. And it is far from the fact that he later will not say that he was drunk or dragged into the pavilions of Hollywood.
      "There is a book by Bill Kaysing, We Have Never Been on the Moon." - the author writes. And there is a book "Dunno on the Moon". I like it better.
      Something painful, this topic is often raised. Especially against the background of Ragozinsky proe ... s ("kt" missed, if that). When there are no own achievements, it is better to laugh at other people's failures. Although it is still necessary to prove 100% were the Americans on the moon or not.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 November 2020 18: 47
        +2
        Quote: Hyperion
        You can't prove anything like the author of the article

        Most of the denunciators of "space conspiracies" are simply earning BOBOSIKI. The work is not dusty ...
        However, there are those who work out of love for art!
        There is official recognition of many countries and for now, you can stop there ...
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 18 November 2020 18: 55
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          There is official recognition of many countries and for now, you can stop there ...

          Yes. Indeed, in order to verify the authenticity of flights, you need to have competencies and level 80 clearance.
          The author brought a book about not flying? Here are some books that have flown:
          https://vk.com/wall-47256091_176833
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 November 2020 20: 18
            -3
            All attempts by whistleblowers will be faced with the reluctance of countries to level official recognition without solid evidence!
            How, where to get such evidence?
            The boom is to wait for someone to land on the moon and prove that Americans, for example, did not step on the surface of the moon ...
            How else? I can not imagine.
          2. Errr
            Errr 18 November 2020 21: 08
            0
            Quote: Hyperion
            Here are some books that have flown:
            https://vk.com/wall-47256091_176833
            And in addition to these books, several photographs of the same. smile
        2. sedoj
          sedoj 18 November 2020 20: 00
          12
          Quote: rocket757
          There is official recognition of many countries

          And there is also not recognition of many countries. For example, the fact that Crimea is Russian. To recognize or not to recognize is a purely opportunistic question. If it is profitable, then we accept, and if it is not profitable, then excuse me - we do not recognize it. Oops, as they say.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 November 2020 20: 19
            -8
            Rather, the PUPS. This is what you got. Not in the subject, however.
            1. sedoj
              sedoj 18 November 2020 20: 24
              +8
              Everything is in the subject, however. You have appealed to universal acceptance, I have described the opposite example to you. And to believe or not to believe is your own business. As well as mine.
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 18 November 2020 23: 01
                30
                Well, a person wants to believe in a fairy tale, well, let him believe. Only here I am personally gnawed by one logical (in my humble opinion) question - WHY THEY HAVE NEVER FLY THERE ANYWHERE AND THE MOST IMPORTANT WHY THEY CANNOT DO THIS NOW AFTER SO MUCH YEARS AND SO MUCH ACHIEVEMENTS?
                Ah yes, I forgot, there was something like a story that they met aliens there, who told them "Oh, shaitan, you don't go there, you go here, otherwise the snow will fall into your head, you will be completely dead" ... laughing wassat
                Well, how long can you post this nonsense, about an explicit Amerzos LIE. Personally, Leonov lost all respect for me after his STATEMENT that there were Amerzos on the moon, and Tereshkova after her famous speech for nullifying the Darkest One. Once upon a time there were great PEOPLE, but there were corrupt curvies for the sake of the momentary conjuncture of power.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 04: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  WHY THEY DIDN'T FLY THERE AGAIN

                  Apparently because you are illiterate. There were 6 + 3 flyby missions on the lunar (including the 13th)
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  THE MOST IMPORTANT WHY THEY CANNOT DO IT NOW

                  Because it was a waste of money even in the 60s. President Kennedy was that kind of fruit.
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  Usually Leonov has lost all respect for me

                  This is a great tragedy for Leonov, of course.
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 14: 56
                    16
                    Cherry Nine (1)
                    Apparently because you are illiterate.
                    Well yeah, all around go fool oh, you alone are d'Artagnan ... laughing
                    There were 6 + 3 flyby missions on the lunar (including the 13th)
                    I understand that you PERSONALLY witnessed this ?!
                    Because it was a waste of money even in the 60s. President Kennedy was that kind of fruit.
                    Ha-ha-ha, what about the printing press in USE?
                    This is a great tragedy for Leonov, of course.
                    Personally, I don't care if it's a tragedy for him or not!
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 15: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      you PERSONALLY witnessed this ?!

                      In 69? They didn't take me. Personally, there are 11
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apollo_astronauts
                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      you alone are d'Artagnan ...

                      Why you are alone? There are quite a few sane people, perhaps even the majority. It's just that we rarely go into such topics.
                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      and that in YUSE the printing press broke down?

                      Everyone has their own toys. Kennedy wanted to go to the moon, Johnson wanted to fight in Vietnam, Nixon had problems with the recession, etc. Everyone needs money, not just NASA.
                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      Personally, I don't care if it's a tragedy for him or not!

                      Your relationship with the late Leonov is incredibly important to the public.
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 18 November 2020 20: 02
        +1
        This is precisely why the topic has become often procrastinated recently by regular propagandists. For there is nothing more to answer to the machinations of the swindler Musk.
        The author is inimitable:
        "I will say right away that no one is obliged to prove that the Americans did not land on the moon. It is the United States that must convincingly prove that their astronauts really were there."
        Why on earth would Americans have to prove something? Russia doesn't believe? So the States are somehow purple, what Russia believes or does not believe there. Maybe some Russians believe that the Earth is on three elephants, what does America care about?
        For some reason, the rest of the feast thinks differently. On the simple basis that the Apollo flights were followed by scientists, observatories, research institutes, military and civilian specialists from many countries. The slightest deviation from the voiced flight path or lunar orbit would be immediately recorded by the mass of interested persons. First of all, in the USSR.
        But the USSR was silent. For there was nothing to say.
        And now, therefore, there is. For the instructions have been received, they must be followed. The fact that this looks extremely helpless does not bother anyone.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 November 2020 20: 24
          +1
          Quote: Cosm22
          This is precisely why the topic has become often procrastinated recently.

          The topic has been discussed for a long time and thoroughly, and our "propagandists" are on the 33rd place in the line there.
          Too many loafers have sat down on sofas and everyone wants to identify themselves at least how, at least where ...
          And Musk, he is in Africa Musk ... wants to appear in many places.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 18 November 2020 22: 09
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            The topic has been discussed for a long time and thoroughly, and our "propagandists" are on the 33rd place in the line there.

            That's right ... it’s procrastinating ... as well as articles by Sokhu, and others like him. Super specialists sit on these resources.
            In the near future we will be here to procrastinate Th there on the Censor they wrote. fellow So that srach does not stop here day or night. fellow
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 November 2020 22: 55
              0
              Almost like fishing ... only there on both sides of the fishing rods, and here, on different sides of the "cobwebs" Internet ...
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 18: 27
      +4
      Until no one flew to the moon, Mars ...
      and the firmament is supported by shoulders, Atlanteans :) !? How many centuries have passed and all the same, heresies and superstitions ...
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 November 2020 18: 33
        +1
        Quote: Intruder
        and the firmament is supported by shoulders, Atlanteans :) !? How many centuries have passed and all the same, heresies and superstitions ...

        Believe it or not, flat-earth adherents still exist.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 18 November 2020 19: 09
          +3
          and so what!? Though cone-shaped and fans of the universal egg :))) "But still - it turns", as one clever man said in the Middle Ages ...
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 18 November 2020 21: 37
            +3
            Quote: Intruder
            And yet - it turns, "as one clever man said in the Middle Ages ...

            It is spinning, it is spinning ... The main thing is that it does not jump on the celestial axis and the crystal spheres do not crack. Let us pray brethren for the safety of this world! In the name of Mask, Rogozin and Saint Trampoline, amen. winked
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 18 November 2020 21: 39
              +3
              It is better to crash on the surface of the firmament and fall over the edge of the Earth! :)
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 18 November 2020 21: 44
                11
                In fact, the Earth is not flat. Otherwise the cats would have thrown everything off her by now. ))
      2. Harry.km
        Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 26
        +3
        Quote: Intruder
        and the firmament is supported by shoulders, Atlanteans :) !?

        No, it is glued with propolis by bees, it is like a large canvas for them, because it is said: "-bees will die, mankind will also perish" (c)
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 18 November 2020 19: 39
          +3
          ABOUT! "Lunosrach"! Wait .... That's it (fried popcorn and sits comfortably in the chair) - you can start! I'm all - attention! yes
          1. Harry.km
            Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 55
            0
            Quote: Snail N9
            fried popcorn

            I suggest, in order of optimization, to splash honey on top ... While the bees are alive.
    4. astepanov
      astepanov 18 November 2020 19: 54
      +4
      And I liked it. Especially the second photo. The diameter of the wheels of this apparatus is less than 30 cm, and the same size is the shadow of a person in full growth. These are the dwarfs in their Hollywood working for NASA!
      I haven't read such blatant nonsense for a long time, thank you, author, they made it a lot of fun!
      By the way, for the information of the author, one (and maybe not one) rover has a Russian device for analyzing the soil for the presence of water .. And data processing, if I am not mistaken, is carried out at the IKI RAS. And no one forbade the reception of signals from the Martian orbital repeater: take as long as you want. Of course, the Merikans are still swindlers, they specially bent the radio beam with the help of a crooked sewer pipe so that everyone thinks that the signal is from Mars, but it really is from Houston ... Yes, and the IKI RAN is a corrupt office, for their dollars, why will write. Enemies and conspirators are everywhere!
      As for the grabbing of the Moon by the Americans, then to hell with it: we are chopping off the Andromeda galaxy for ourselves. Entirely. Let the mattresses hang with envy. Or we will declare the Sun as our own and we will cut the money on this: they say, whoever wants to fly to the Sun - only with our permission, and do not touch anything there, do not extract oil, do not spoil the environment.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 18 November 2020 20: 22
        +5
        Quote: astepanov
        we will chop off the Andromeda galaxy


        I somehow got my wife on a DR star in the constellation Cassiopeia. So, if anything, there is where to dump.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 18 November 2020 20: 51
          +2
          The main thing is that this star does not have a ticket to the load.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 18 November 2020 20: 54
            +4
            Quote: Korsar4
            The main thing is that this star does not have a ticket to the load.


            No. Only surveying the constellation.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 18 November 2020 20: 58
              +2
              Is the star in the list visible to the naked eye? Or was the telescope already there?
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 18 November 2020 21: 58
                +6
                Quote: Korsar4
                Is the star in the list visible to the naked eye? Or was the telescope already there?


                Who are you so passionately minus? There is no telescope. Found in the international catalog. Invisible, sort of. The funniest thing is to watch the reaction of the wives of friends and acquaintances when they see these certificates. How they then took out their brains ...
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 18 November 2020 22: 01
                  +2
                  I do not know. Glad you are not. I hope I didn't say anything offensive. For all my harmful nature.

                  At one time, they bought a small telescope.

                  The stars are wonderful. But I can't imagine such a gift from myself. Although he did not become completely pragmatic.
      2. Motorist
        Motorist 18 November 2020 21: 40
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        And I liked it. Especially the second photo.

        And on the first - the shadows are not parallel. And this illusion of sight relief (cross out unnecessary) is to blame, of course! lol
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 18 November 2020 22: 19
        +1
        So, the Chinese have already removed the Americans from orbit: ... on six Chinese frames with the Apollo landing sites, the traces of the Apollo 16 landing near the Descartes crater are best seen. Due to the very light surface, not only the lunar module can be distinguished, but also the last stop of the LRV (Lunar Roving Vehicle) lunar rover. At the limit of resolution, one can determine the most well-trodden surface where astronauts installed scientific instruments ... (The Chinese Lunar Exploration Program (CLEP) is a phased exploration of a natural satellite of the Earth. "And" Chang'e-1 "in 2-2007))
        1. lucul
          lucul 18 November 2020 23: 14
          +2
          so, the Chinese have already removed the Americans from landing orbit :.

          The Chinese flew there, took a picture of everything and everything. They did not declare anything, but are waiting for the aggravation of relations with the United States in order to throw a presentation))))
    5. A1845
      A1845 19 November 2020 11: 59
      -2
      F-1 engines (with fantastic power and reliability) appeared from nowhere and disappeared into nowhere.

      Google to help No.
    6. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 November 2020 12: 38
      0
      That's when Rogozin flies to the moon and checks the landing sites, then we will talk, otherwise the theorists got divorced like cockroaches. Or just say that Russia is not able to create an analogue of the lunar rover
    7. halpat
      halpat 19 November 2020 12: 50
      +2
      Only with the Space Shuttle program did the American cosmonautics move away from the sonicated oxygen environment in a reduced pressure, switching to breathing air, as was the case in Soviet programs initially. Some experts only from this moment suspect the beginning of real flights of the Americans into space orbit.

      But what about the Soyuz-Apollo program?
      Joint PR action of the USSR-USA? Was everything shot in Hollywood and Lennauchfilm?
  2. Reviews
    Reviews 18 November 2020 18: 13
    +4
    It's time for Afftyr to quit drugs.
    1. Looking Petrovich
      Looking Petrovich 18 November 2020 18: 19
      +5
      It's time for Afftyr to quit drugs.

      It's time for the administration of the site to tie up - the placement of such articles reflects the level of degradation to which the resource has sunk in the best possible way. I'm not even talking about the "works" of Samsonov, Kharaluzhny, Staver, etc.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 18 November 2020 18: 33
        16
        Looking Petrovich, well, please us with your opuses, otherwise anyone can criticize, and how long was the announcement that the resource needed employees, why didn't you become a writer? And then it turns out ugly - a person writes an article, and instead of a sober commentary, only bonal rudeness, and worthless clever people! And in essence and sense of articles - complete zero in the comments! !! So, when to wait for your articles, or we will not live up to this "happy moment"? ??
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 18 November 2020 18: 40
          +3
          Quote: Thrifty
          and instead of a sober commentary, only bonal rudeness, but not very smart guys! And in essence and meaning of articles - complete zero in the comments! !!

          Well, what "sane comment" can I write here? If the author begins to prove that the earth is flat, what will you write?
        2. Harry.km
          Harry.km 18 November 2020 19: 32
          +7
          Quote: Thrifty
          and instead of a sober comment

          What a sober comment on a site where all sober comments will be bypassed by adherents who have no analogues in the world.
          Where is the article about the fact that Elon, the same Musk, took people to the ISS in pants mode? There is no such article, but here it is a beautiful article, about the fact that the Americans were not on the moon, but there was a dunno. And the main argument is that both statements are the same. There are books! And I personally read the second one more than once ...
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 November 2020 18: 38
        +6
        Why Staver? I am following with interest the "battle" of former like-minded people, Staver and Skomorokhov.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 November 2020 21: 02
          +3
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Why Staver? I am following with interest the "battle" of former like-minded people, Staver and Skomorokhov.

          What are your predictions? lol
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 18 November 2020 21: 11
            +2
            Hmmm ... Difficult to judge. Lots of variables. It all depends on Roskomnadzor's favor to the resource. To be reasonable, you should bet on Staver. If gambling - on Skomorokhov.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 November 2020 21: 21
              +4
              Really curious! Ice and Fire, unity and struggle of opposites winked
              But Mr. Shpakovsky claims that he can even dance "Murka" for a fee. lol
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 18 November 2020 21: 26
                +3
                Macho do not dance, they even walk with difficulty!
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 22: 47
            -2
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Why Staver? I am following with interest the "battle" of former like-minded people, Staver and Skomorokhov.

            What are your predictions? lol

            Hooray! Tote!
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 November 2020 18: 41
        +4
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        It's time for the administration of the site to tie up - the placement of such articles reflects the level of degradation to which the resource has sunk in the best possible way. I'm not even talking about the "works" of Samsonov, Kharaluzhny, Staver, etc.

        According to you, it turns out that all federal channels should be bombed tomorrow (I agree!). Only they live at the expense of our money, and the Internet is a free business, you don't want to, don't read.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 18 November 2020 19: 41
        11
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        It's time for the administration of the site to tie up - the placement of such articles reflects the level of degradation in the best way possible

        Colleague! hi I will probably speak for the first time in defense of the site.
        Were all offered to make the resource paid?
        The majority decided that we needed a free resource !!!
        So why the hell are you starting to resent the content?
        The site is filled with those materials that the admins consider necessary or those that have the ability to pay.
        If someone does not suit you, then watch the fed.channels or provide your articles to the admins on a free basis, and the respected members of the forum will appreciate and discuss your glorious works.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 19 November 2020 00: 39
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          The site is filled with those materials that the admins consider necessary or those that have the ability to pay.

          Everything is correct. As they say in Odessa: "Did you want sho for your money?"
          And, you know, if articles containing exclusively scientifically substantiated and repeatedly proven facts from authors claiming to be the ultimate truth were posted on the site, then all discussions and generally communication of members of the forum would be reduced to a banal finding out who is stronger in agreement with the authors.
          So don't break our heart. We communicate in the same format.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 18 November 2020 18: 28
      +4
      Avis, in fact, is there something to say? On the site, any person has every right to express his vision of that other event of mine, but such comments of commentators do not paint! Did you personally supply the author with drugs, or did you use it together with him? ??
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 18 November 2020 18: 34
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        vision of my other event

        What language is this in general?
        Did you personally supply the author with drugs, or did you use it together with him? ??

        Learn the meaning of the word "logic". This is the first task. Then you get more complex.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 19: 04
          -3
          Quote: Avis
          Learn the meaning of the word "logic". This is the first task. Then you get more complex.

          read this word the other way around?
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 18 November 2020 18: 35
      +2
      Moon dust, it is! Pins out of the blue!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 18 November 2020 21: 58
        +1
        Some, progressive creatures in their mediocrity, have not even read Clark.
    4. lucul
      lucul 18 November 2020 23: 16
      +2
      It's time for Afftyr to quit drugs.

      Under this topic, just a census of all Russophobes)))
      But no one, in fact, said anything)))
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 19 November 2020 07: 52
        0
        Quote: lucul

        Under this topic, just a census of all Russophobes)))

        In what sense?
        But no one, in fact, said anything)))

        What article, such and comments.
  3. Asad
    Asad 18 November 2020 18: 14
    -1
    There was no hell with them, we must look to the future, I hope our cosmonauts will get to the moon!
  4. pytar
    pytar 18 November 2020 18: 17
    10
    Unfortunately, the level of posts on VO has started to drop noticeably lately! negative
    An incomprehensible article, the "author" is incomprehensible, the reference is useless, again conspiracy theories ... Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha) ... fool
    So, the United States refuses to consider the Moon the property of all mankind and intends to single-handedly start mining on it ...

    It is quite understandable, space conquistadors will assimilate the planets according to the mayor of their technological and financial capabilities! Who is the first, it is for him! Whole contents were so conquered into the past, but not yet found in space, even the "native population"! Anything that "lies / flies" can be staked out for yourself! Who will stop them, and how ??? request
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 18: 33
      +2
      Anything that "lies / flies" can be staked out for yourself! Who will stop them, and how ??
      Duc, now it is piling up in full, the Japanese are confidently conducting reconnaissance of asteroids, the Americans and their Chinese comrades will stake out the Moon with Mars, and our role is the eternal orbital taxers for rich tourists, on the retro spacecraft Soyuz !!! Plus delivery: food and water, with oxygen and nitrogen, to the orbit of space stations, to the heap - "Orbital Yandex" :)
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 18 November 2020 18: 54
        +1
        We are the only country in the world that has sent astronauts into space for more than half a century without interruption. While the rest are watching the asteroids)
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 18 November 2020 19: 11
          -4
          the main thing is not how much time, but where and on what !? If up to 400 km., And half a century - so this is not an indicator already in the 21st century! :)
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 18 November 2020 19: 25
            -6
            To the space station in your spaceship. We and recently the Americans started flying. Everything. There are no other countries in the world. This is not just an indicator. This is a mega figure wink
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 18 November 2020 20: 56
              -1
              Poor Chinese, they are constantly forgotten.
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 19 November 2020 00: 34
                0
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Poor Chinese, they are constantly forgotten.

                They still had two stations of the level of the 70s. A normal station will be built in two years, then we will remember.
                And in general they, like Russia, are still using Soviet technologies.
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 19 November 2020 12: 49
              -2
              Quote: Fungus
              To the space station in your spaceship. We and recently the Americans started flying. Everything. There are no other countries in the world. This is not just an indicator. This is a mega figure wink

              What century are we living in, comrade? Now it is not necessary to build your own rocket, pay money and they will take you where you need to. Now airplanes are not built by all countries, but only 3-4 countries in general. you can buy.
      2. stariy
        stariy 18 November 2020 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Intruder
        and our role is eternal orbital taxers


        So who studied nache, if everything is as it is, plus education according to Grafi, then soon the cosmodromes will not be allowed to sweep us.
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 18 November 2020 21: 34
          +4
          Study student ... and then you will give the keys all your life
          ... I think everyone remembers this anecdote? so ..They learned... and we still have the keys and ha ... oh ... Maybe it's time for us to study further? and not to feed the Rogozins?
      3. lucul
        lucul 18 November 2020 23: 18
        -1
        Duc, now it is piling up in full, the Japanese are confidently conducting reconnaissance of asteroids, the Americans and their Chinese comrades will stake out the Moon with Mars, and our role is the eternal orbital taxers for rich tourists, on the retro spacecraft Soyuz !!!

        How can you plan something when you don't even have your own transport and you have to rent it from the Russians? ))))
  5. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 18 November 2020 18: 18
    10
    To win the lunar race, a pound of soil, one mission, and a flagstaff were enough. AND EVERYTHING. But six expeditions, rovers, a large amount of a wide variety of equipment and 380 kilograms of stones and soil are needed only for the real study of the real moon. At the same time, there are more materials on the Apollo program than on any other space program, this is a fact. These materials are as diverse as possible, abundant and exhaustive, this is also a fact. And the program itself was as open as never before. Unlike our programs, for example. So conspiracy theories here looks, to put it mildly, stupid and illogical.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 18 November 2020 18: 41
      +4
      Bashkirkhan, but a bunch of inconsistencies really took place! The American experts themselves with the names admitted, for example, that in these spacesuits the US astronauts could not overcome the Van Allen radiation belts for health! In addition, the body of the same "Eagle" was so thin that it could even be pierced with an ordinary response! And again, no protection from radiation! And, for a successful flight to the Moon, spacesuits with a lead substrate were required, and lead blocks in the skin of the descent vehicle! Only, the carrier would not have pulled such a lead ship by weight! !!
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 18 November 2020 18: 44
        +5
        Radiation loads on space vehicles when they are put on an interplanetary trajectory during the period of minimum solar activity / I.P. Bezrodnykh, E.I. Morozova, A.A. Petrukovich, V.T. Semenov, V.M. Dolcart // Electromechanical issues. VNIIEM Proceedings. - M .: JSC "Corporation" VNIIEM ". -2013. -Tom. 132. -No.1. -FROM. 7-12
        Conclusion: With a screen thickness of more than 3 g / cm2, flights to the Moon can occur under any radiation environment inside the magnetosphere and even during periods of moderate fluxes of cosmic rays from solar flares.
        Let me remind you that Apollo had at least 7.5 g / cm2 protection
        PS minus is not from me
        1. Volder
          Volder 18 November 2020 19: 28
          +2
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Radiation loads on spacecraft when they are put on an interplanetary trajectory during the period of minimum solar activity
          The alleged flight to the Moon took place at the time of maximum solar activity. This was indicated by the author of the article.
          1. Errr
            Errr 20 November 2020 10: 52
            +1
            From the text of the article in question:
            All launches of the American "Apollo" to the Moon were to take place during the years of maximum activity of the Sun - this is a concrete astronomical fact.
            This is pure lie, like many other things in this libel. In fact, at the maximum solar activity, only manned flights of the Moon "Apollo-8" in December 1968 and "Apollo-10" in May 1969 took place without the astronauts leaving the ships and the first two ("Apollo-11" and "Apollo -12 ") with the landing of the expedition participants on the surface of the Moon. All the next 5 flights under the Apollo program (with 4 lunar moonings in 1971-1972) took place with a constantly decreasing solar activity, the minimum of which fell on 1975-1976.
            1. Volder
              Volder 20 November 2020 17: 54
              -1
              Quote: Herrr
              This is pure lie
              What a lie if you yourself write that "in fact, at the maximum solar activity, manned flights of the first two (" Apollo-11 "and" Apollo-12 ") took place with the landing of expedition members on the lunar surface."
              1. Errr
                Errr 20 November 2020 18: 23
                0
                Lies, Dima (don't consider it amicosity, you yourself switched to "you" smile ), is a phrase from this, God forgive me (the last figuratively smile ), a work that says:
                All American Apollo launches to the Moon were supposed to take place during the years of maximum solar activity - this is a concrete astronomical fact.
                What does the whole phrase, from beginning to end, because all There were exactly 9 manned Apollo flights to the Moon, and during the peak solar activity there were only 4 of them. And read about our Soviet Central Asian turtles ("Zond-5"), in September 1968 at the very peak of this solar activity circled the moon and almost intact Earth) who returned home. It is very interesting (https://pikabu.ru/story/50_let_oblyotu_lunyi_zhivyimi_organizmami_6169973).
                1. Volder
                  Volder 20 November 2020 19: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Herrr
                  of all manned Apollo flights to the Moon there were exactly 9, and during the peak solar activity only 4 of them.
                  Due to the peak of solar activity, it is highly probable that the first landing on the moon did not take place on the Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 expeditions.
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 20 November 2020 22: 15
                    +1
                    Your will to think whatever you want, but the first to plant in manual mode (so as not to hit the stones) the lunar module on the only natural satellite of our planet was Buzz Aldrin, and it was on July 20, 1969 at 20:17:39 UTC (if the fractional part of seconds is not important, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) can be considered the equivalent of UTC.) A few minutes after leaving Neil Armstrong's module, Buzz joined him for a walk with him on the lunar surface. A video of this historic event is available on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HdPi9Ikhk&feature=emb_logoThere is also a good article on LJ about the first TV broadcast from the Moon on July 20, 1969 at: https://lozga.livejournal.com/118679.html
                    Look, read ...
                    1. Volder
                      Volder 21 November 2020 00: 00
                      -3
                      Quote: Herrr
                      A video of this historic event is available on YouTube. Look, read ...
                      It was filmed in Hollywood in a big hangar. There are a lot of "shoals" in this shoot. For example, the Earth from the Moon should not look like this at all.
                      1. Errr
                        Errr 21 November 2020 02: 24
                        +1
                        Well, then all the best to you. Be happy in the world of "inconsistencies and inconsistencies" you created. hi
                      2. Volder
                        Volder 21 November 2020 17: 38
                        -3
                        Quote: Herrr
                        Be happy in the "inconsistencies and inconsistencies" world you created.
                        This world was not created by me, but Hollywood commissioned by NASA.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 November 2020 12: 54
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Bashkirkhan, but a bunch of inconsistencies really took place! The American experts themselves with the names admitted, for example, that in these spacesuits the US astronauts could not overcome the Van Allen radiation belts for health! In addition, the body of the same "Eagle" was so thin that it could even be pierced with an ordinary response! And again, no protection from radiation! And, for a successful flight to the Moon, spacesuits with a lead substrate were required, and lead blocks in the skin of the descent vehicle! Only, the carrier would not have pulled such a lead ship by weight! !!

      If anything, ours quite successfully launched biological materials to the Moon
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 November 2020 18: 19
    +2
    Weird author, and the article is the same. Not otherwise "Dunno" himself wrote in impotent envy.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 18 November 2020 18: 31
      13
      Another obscurantism, only sideways .. laughing It is time for the VO editorial staff to enter the heading: "Sabbat on Bald Mountain" wherever similar articles and others would be published there .. smile
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 18 November 2020 18: 41
        +2
        5 points, I laughed for a very long time
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 18 November 2020 18: 42
      +6
      7,62 × 54 - I expect from you a "non-stupid" article, with colorful drawings and photos. ...
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 18 November 2020 18: 48
        0
        Do you propose to join the sect of admirers of the irreplaceable mess and chaos? thanks hi
        I use my talents more profitably
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 19 November 2020 10: 07
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        7,62 × 54 - I expect from you a "non-stupid" article, with colorful drawings and photos. ...

        Such articles wagon, use the search. This obscurantist needs to prove something, in practice, chickens laugh
  • ximkim
    ximkim 18 November 2020 18: 26
    0
    Rogozin needs to place missile defense near the moon, then there will be a checkmate.
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 18 November 2020 21: 07
      +3
      Rogozin cannot be trusted with weapons. He shot himself in the leg at the shooting range. And he will start to play with the PROS, oh what can happen.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2020 18: 28
    +1
    as an aggressive plan for the actual seizure of territories of other planets and an attempt to expropriate outer space.
    ... Purely theoretically, for the planets of the solar system, space powers will fight in space or on planet Earth? laughing The rest cannot be commented on, old songs are about the main thing, how many copies have been broken, or in the words of the classic "O field, field, who are you
    littered with dead bones? " laughing
  • Konnick
    Konnick 18 November 2020 18: 30
    +1
    You can't publish such nonsense on VO.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 18 November 2020 18: 47
      +6
      Quote: Konnick
      You can't publish such nonsense on VO.

      Why do you think that a mustache blizzard can be placed?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 18 November 2020 19: 18
        +1
        Whose mustache? Peskovskikh? No difference
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 November 2020 19: 27
          +6
          Here I am about the same.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 18 November 2020 19: 29
            0
            There is a slight difference, Peskov understands what he is saying, but the author of this composition does not understand what he wrote.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 18 November 2020 18: 36
    +1
    And they say Gagarin did not fly, and Leonov did not come out ...

    In the meantime, beautiful pictures from the Amerov telescope are published in scientific journals and the Internet ...
    And they print peremogi about the launched Russian telescope, without photographs.

    As a last resort, there is the Crimean Bridge, manually filmed by our cosmonauts .....

    And in fact, what to write then ?. Whoever has time, that and slippers.
    Whoever brought more satellites, launched rockets, developed more trampolines, launched satellites to the moon / Mars, is a great fellow ...

    And if you rename one unfinished device to another for years, and give promises, even without cartoons ...
    ... then the trampoline will have to be bought from the Chinese in 10 years
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 November 2020 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Max1995
      And they say Gagarin did not fly, and Leonov did not come out ...

      In the meantime, beautiful pictures from the Amerov telescope are published in scientific journals and the Internet ...
      And they print peremogi about the launched Russian telescope, without photographs.

      As a last resort, there is the Crimean Bridge, manually filmed by our cosmonauts .....

      And in fact, what to write then ?. Whoever has time, that and slippers.
      Whoever brought more satellites, launched rockets, developed more trampolines, launched satellites to the moon / Mars, is a great fellow ...

      And if you rename one unfinished device to another for years, and give promises, even without cartoons ...
      ... then the trampoline will have to be bought from the Chinese in 10 years

      Yes, after 10 years, either a donkey or a padishah. The main thing is more articles about how things are bad for amers both in space and in general, the national debt, Afrobounds, zoomwelt shit, and fu35 is generally a penguin. Well, the Armenians were like that, only in a different plane
  • zenion
    zenion 18 November 2020 18: 37
    +7
    What's wrong with that, even if they didn't fly to the moon, but they wanted to. Sarah says to her neighbor Bronya - I want to go to Paris again! Have you been to Paris? No, I was not in it, but last year, I also wanted to.
  • BAI
    BAI 18 November 2020 18: 38
    +1
    In the next article, which has already received 400 comments, just this case is given (denial of landing).
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 18 November 2020 18: 42
    +5
    An article by another conspiracy theorist. Several years ago, someone collected money by subscription to send an automatic probe to the moon to check the veracity of the American landing on the moon. How did it end?
    ... and intend to single-handedly start mining on it

    Someone remembers, it seems that Stanislav Lem had that someone received a concession for the manufacture of lighters for lighters from the lunar soil. Things went well, the whole galaxy bought the creams and the Moon from the earth began to look no longer round, but completely chipped ...
    1. Volder
      Volder 18 November 2020 19: 21
      -1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      someone was collecting money by subscription to send an automatic probe to the moon to check the veracity of the American landing on the moon. How did it end?
      In the end, the Chinese launched the probe. This probe did not find any physical evidence of the Americans staying on the moon. Google ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 18 November 2020 19: 31
        +2
        Quote: Volder
        In the end, the Chinese launched the probe. This probe did not find any physical evidence of the Americans staying on the moon. Google ..

        ... The most detailed images of the entire lunar surface, taken by "Chang'e-2", were posted in the open scientific online archive in 2018.


        The resolution of images reaches 7 meters, i.e. on them you can see surface details of this size or slightly less. For example, the bottom step of the Apollo lunar module is about 9 meters across. The terrain areas most trampled by the astronauts were also large and should be distinguishable in the Chang'e-2 images.

        Russian popularizers of astronomy and cosmonautics Vitaly Egorov and Igor Tirsky were able to find the necessary frames from the Chang'e-2 in the scientific archive and found on them all the landing sites of the American lunar modules of the Apollo program. The search results are published in Vitaly Egorov's book "People on the Moon", which was published by the publishing house "Alpina Non-Fiction" in May 2020 ...

        https://m.gazeta.ru/amp/science/news/2020/06/20/n_14571583.shtml
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 18 November 2020 22: 29
      +1
      production of lighters from lunar soil.
      and what, in an alloy of flint for lighters (an alloy of cerium, lanthanum and iron, which also contains other lanthanides, magnesium and copper), is now part of the regolith (FeTiO3; (Mg, Fe) 2 [SiO4]; Ca [Al2Si2O8]; R2 [Si2O6], where R - Na, Ca - and these are the main rocks) lunar !?
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 November 2020 10: 16
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      An article by another conspiracy theorist. Several years ago, someone collected money by subscription to send an automatic probe to the moon to check the veracity of the American landing on the moon. How did it end?
      ... and intend to single-handedly start mining on it

      Someone remembers, it seems that Stanislav Lem had that someone received a concession for the manufacture of lighters for lighters from the lunar soil. Things went well, the whole galaxy bought the creams and the Moon from the earth began to look no longer round, but completely chipped ...

      Ahaha, for Lem 5 :)
  • Undecim
    Undecim 18 November 2020 18: 42
    14
    One gets the impression that the site has organized a competition for who will write the worst article. How can a self-respecting resource publish such materials?
    At the same time, the author not only has no idea about the topic, but he also lies.
    Not so long ago, in a sensational decree by Donald Trump in support of the commercial development of resources on the Moon and other celestial bodies, it was noted that the United States does not consider space as a public domain.
    This decree emphasized that the United States no longer recognizes the Agreement on the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, adopted by a resolution of the UN General Assembly in December 1979.
    So, the United States refuses to consider the Moon the property of all mankind and intends to single-handedly begin the extraction of resources on it.

    To begin with, the "Agreement on the activities of states on the moon and other celestial bodies, adopted by the UN General Assembly resolution in December 1979", to which the author is trying to refer, was not signed by the United States, the USSR, or Russia, therefore there is no appeal to it no point.
    Here are the countries that signed this agreement
    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Kazakhstan
    Lebanon
    Morocco
    Mexico
    Netherlands
    Pakistan
    Peru
    Uruguay
    Philippines
    Chile
    Guatemala
    India
    Romania
    France
    However, the last four did not ratify it.
    Secondly, no one in the United States is going to capture the Moon and Mars. The US presidential decree refers to "uncertainty regarding the right to recover and use space resources, including expanding the right to commercial extraction and use of lunar resources."
    That is, the United States calls on the world community in view of the clearly emerging prospects for the development of space resources and the absence of a legal basis for such development. consider this issue, since the five treaties that today form the basis of international space law were drawn up at a time when there was no talk of any commercial use of space resources.
    By the way, those who wish can see the text of Trump's decree at https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=en&u=https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-encouraging-international- support-recovery-use-space-resources / & prev = search & pto = aue.
    How to publish such articles, it is better not to publish any. Less shame.
    1. ship
      ship 18 November 2020 19: 13
      +2
      The author of the article claims that "... the United States refuses to consider the Moon the property of all mankind," and "intend to single-handedly start mining resources on it," and not the signing of the United Nations General Assembly resolution in December 1979 by the United States also says something.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 18 November 2020 19: 24
        +6
        The author of the article claims
        The author of the article bears a blizzard, not claims.
        1. ship
          ship 18 November 2020 19: 56
          -1
          Of course, you know better.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 18 November 2020 20: 05
            -1
            Of course you know better. In addition to this opus, I also got acquainted with serious sources on the issue of international political and legal aspects of the use of space resources. The problem really exists, but the author does not understand anything about it.
            1. ship
              ship 19 November 2020 19: 51
              -2
              The fact that the problem really exists, the author of the article sees and notes that this is, in particular, "America's aggressive plan to capture the Moon", probably this is already enough to not claim that he (the author) does not understand anything about it , or rather, that he understands and he has everything in order with common sense. I wish the author of the article every success.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 19 November 2020 20: 08
                +1
                "America's aggressive plan to capture the moon" is probably enough to... to claim that the author does not understand anything about the question, since no one is going to capture the Moon.
                I wish the author and you success in eliminating illiteracy.
                1. ship
                  ship 20 November 2020 22: 37
                  +1
                  Sir, the most common logical error among literate people is the "generalization error", that is, when the so-called. "community quantifiers" are words like - everything, always, nobody, nothing, etc. For myself, I will not say that I am very literate However, the difference between such concepts as "literacy" and "education", if I do not know for sure, but I understand.
                  Thank you for your good wishes.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 18 November 2020 18: 45
    +2
    This is all clear about the great and mighty victories of the Yankees in the moon race !!! But explain to me an ordinary person clearly why not a single space power has sent a single cosmonaut since 1975 ... no, not to the surface of the Moon, but only to the orbit of the Moon !!! ???

    That in the orbit of the moon people have nothing more to do ???

    That the flight of the crew to the Moon without landing is so expensive that even the richest China, USA or India, for example, cannot afford it ???

    How can you take the word of a country that has been publishing photographs of aliens with policemen in newspapers since the 60s ??? And then it turns out that this is just a primitive fake designed for ordinary Americans far from science ... That is, a photo with aliens is a simple tabloid fake, and the Apollo program is a fake designed for the international level !!!
    1. Volder
      Volder 18 November 2020 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      That in the orbit of the moon people have nothing more to do ???
      Exactly. What can you do there? Any missions in lunar orbit can be performed by unmanned space vehicles.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 19 November 2020 11: 33
        -3
        Exactly. What can you do there? Any missions in lunar orbit can be performed by unmanned space vehicles.
        Yes, humanity so often personally studies the satellites of the planets and the Moon in particular that already in the orbit of the Moon people have nothing to do !!!
        You yourself are not funny from the nonsense that you write ????

        I am already silent about landing on the surface of the Moon - at this stage of development of science and technology, a trouble-free landing of people on the Moon is not possible in principle !!! The landing of people is much more difficult than the landing of automatic lunar rovers and rovers - and there are examples in the present of accidents when landing on the surface of even these pieces of iron !!!

        And this story with Apollo 13 - I understand that the great director could not pass by such a number and not tie some cataclysms to the number 13 !!! How is it all in American style !!!
        1. Volder
          Volder 20 November 2020 14: 55
          -1
          Quote: Selevc
          Yes, humanity so often personally studies the satellites of the planets and the Moon in particular that already in the orbit of the Moon people have nothing to do !!!
          I asked you what to do for people in lunar orbit? You didn’t want to answer because you probably don’t know yourself.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 20 November 2020 17: 52
            -1
            I asked you what to do for people in lunar orbit? You didn’t want to answer because you probably don’t know yourself.
            And what has humanity been doing for 60 years in the orbit of the Earth ??? - the same can be done in the orbit of the moon - but the most important thing is to study the satellite of the Earth directly close up, so to speak with your own eyes !!! Not a single automaton can replace human eyes, and experiments performed by a mechanical hand are far from being as perfect as experiments performed by people !!!
            1. Volder
              Volder 20 November 2020 19: 00
              -2
              Quote: Selevc
              And what has humanity been doing for 60 years in the orbit of the Earth ??? - the same can be done in the orbit of the moon
              God, what a dark forest ... It's not about the Earth. "The same" is what exactly? Why conduct experiments in the orbit of the moon when they can be carried out in the orbit of the earth? It makes sense to study the Moon on the Moon itself (install instruments, take soil), and an unmanned spacecraft can take pictures of the Moon from orbit.
              1. Selevc
                Selevc 20 November 2020 21: 15
                0
                "The same" is what exactly? Why conduct experiments in the orbit of the moon when they can be carried out in the orbit of the earth?
                If you want specifics - here's specifics for you - the main value of human flights to the orbit of the Moon is the study of the influence of deep space on the human body - the same solar wind, the same completely different magnetic fields and many other aspects !!! You will never know this while revolving in the Earth's orbit - and what is most important and valuable for science is a natural experiment that, as you know, can not replace any theory !!!
                1. Volder
                  Volder 20 November 2020 23: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: Selevc
                  the main value of human flights to the orbit of the moon is the study of the influence of deep space on the human body - the same solar wind, the same completely different magnetic fields and many other aspects
                  The term "deep space" refers to outer space outside the solar system. The capsule of the spacecraft must be shielded from the solar wind, radiation, subzero temperatures, and their effect on human organisms has long been studied. The moon is devoid of a dipole magnetic field, so the earth's magnetic fields have a much stronger effect on humans than the lunar ones. There is nothing to study here. In any case, spending billions of dollars for a couple of people to feel something in their bodies in the orbit of the moon is an inexpedient luxury. It is much more promising to study directly on the surface of the Moon itself, because in the future humanity will build lunar bases there.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 November 2020 18: 52
    0
    A disgruntled booze from the lagging camp.
  • Guazdilla
    Guazdilla 18 November 2020 18: 57
    +3
    Supposed to that the exposure of the United States to a lie would then put the world on the brink of war belay , the States simply could not have survived the national shame. The losing United States in space needed a revenge victory at any cost, they got it.

    Everyone is happy, the era of detente from American concessions passed under Brezhnev into an era of stagnation.

    It turns out that the war was avoided, the USA paid off dearly. But was it worth it for the USSR?

    Your pearl on this topic gives out an amateurish approach.

    Who lied once, who will believe you

    Exactly.
  • Wildgoose
    Wildgoose 18 November 2020 18: 59
    0
    https://www.labirint.ru/books/302814/ эта книга весело написана и с картинками)))
  • Volder
    Volder 18 November 2020 19: 13
    0
    As voiced in the American TV series "The X-Files": the truth is somewhere near (The truth is somewhere near).
    Mistake! In the original, the text of the slogan: The truth is out there (the truth is somewhere there). It is immediately clear that the author has not watched a single episode of this series.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 November 2020 10: 38
      0
      Quote: Volder
      As voiced in the American TV series "The X-Files": the truth is somewhere near (The truth is somewhere near).
      Mistake! In the original, the text of the slogan: The truth is out there (the truth is somewhere there). It is immediately clear that the author has not watched a single episode of this series.

      In the Russian voice acting "the truth is somewhere nearby"
      1. Volder
        Volder 20 November 2020 14: 52
        -2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        In the Russian voice acting "the truth is somewhere nearby"
        The point is that the text of the slogan in English does not look like this. If the author quotes English words from the series, then it should be checked against the original. But the author was too lazy. For this - a big minus!
  • Van 16
    Van 16 18 November 2020 19: 15
    +2
    "The first commandment of the astronaut: keep in secret that the Earth is flat and does not revolve" ©
    Alexander Gromov, "Tomorrow will come eternity"
    smile
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 November 2020 19: 16
    +2
    It doesn't matter if the mattresses flew to the moon or not. There is only a question: What's the point? Where are the results? Which of those knowledge and technologies is being used? Where is the lunar soil, after all?
    The results and technologies of Gagarin's flight are irrefutably present. The results of the lunar rover expeditions - too. And no one disputes the facts of Gagarin's flight, the landing of lunar rovers on the Moon, the delivery of lunar soil by Soviet expeditions (moreover, robotic expeditions. Nobody put people in danger). So it turns out that the USSR "lost" the "moon race", but the whole world uses its results. And the mattresses "won", but there are no results other than unrealistic films. Even the lunar soil was "lost", even for several decades diapers have not been replaced by a toilet (if someone does not know - toilets on the ISS are of Soviet design).
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 18 November 2020 20: 07
      -2
      The lunar soil is a whole kilogram.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 18 November 2020 20: 25
        +3
        Brought by Soviet apparatus? There is. But almost 300kg of lunar soil, allegedly brought by the mattresses, were "lost". Moreover, the mattresses themselves do not deny that they have no lunar soil.
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          1. riwas
            riwas 19 November 2020 04: 37
            +1
            Here is the detailed information about the American lunar soil.
            https://www.kramola.info/vesti/kosmos/rol-rukovodstva-sssr-v-lunnoy-afyore-nasa-chast-2-analiz-lunnogo-grunta-ne-provodit
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 19 November 2020 12: 05
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      It doesn't matter if the mattresses flew to the moon or not. There is only a question: What's the point? Where are the results? Which of those knowledge and technologies is being used? Where is the lunar soil, after all?

      No - it's just important to catch the liars in a lie !!!

      This whole adventure with Lunar flights is a heap of lies that can be destroyed with ordinary sound arguments !!! Without even resorting to a thorough analysis of lunar photos and videos - and there are also a lot of blunders and rough and clumsy !!!

      To understand that the United States has never been to the moon, you need to ask yourself simple questions. For example - Why is no one flying the moon now ??? Why has no one been flying into the moon's orbit since 1975 ??? Did the US cheat the rest of the world on space issues ??? Why do we need this deception of the USA ???

      Answering these questions, any more or less adequate person, even with a secondary education, should understand that the Apollo flights to the Moon is a fake !!! And the USA are liars and such which the world has never seen !!!
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 November 2020 13: 07
      0
      Quote: stock buildbat
      It doesn't matter if the mattresses flew to the moon or not. (if someone does not know - toilets on the ISS of the Soviet design).

      Why reinvent the wheel if it has already been invented?
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 19 November 2020 13: 09
        -2
        For example, in order not to overload the toilet in the Russian segment of the station with your feces and in general to be able to use this toilet normally laughing
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 18 November 2020 19: 20
    +3
    Watch the film "Capricorn-1" 1977 release. Explains a lot.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 18 November 2020 19: 23
    +5
    Well, why did everyone cackle? Not a single more or less advanced alien civilization will let us either to the Moon or Mars. Or do you really naively believe that they are completely unaware of who we are and what we are?
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 19 November 2020 15: 42
      0
      They don't even let Phobos-soil start ... And on Phobos there is a "megalith" - a very strange giant obelisk in the form of a regular parallelepiped.
  • 123456789
    123456789 18 November 2020 19: 30
    +4
    At the headquarters of the CIA (US Central Intelligence Agency) -
    Langley, instructing a spy to be dropped into the USSR.
    Under the guise of a sailor you will arrive in Klaipeda, from there by train to Moscow, from
    Moscow in a reserved seat carriage to Barnaul, from Barnaul to Semipalatinsk.
    In Semipalatinsk, on the street. Cosmonauts, 12, go up to the second floor,
    the first on the right is the apartment of our resident "Ivanov", tell me the password -
    Are they sending here to the MOON?
    The spy did everything that was ordered to him, arrived on the street.
    Cosmonauts, 12-rings the first door on the right on the second floor.
    Opened by a hefty uncle in a T-shirt and shorts.
    Spy - Are they sent to the moon here?
    Uncle - HERE SEND FUCK, and the spy Ivanov lives on the floor above !!!
    Joke.
    Post scriptum: and all the floors above can be taken soldier
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 November 2020 22: 56
      +2
      The anecdote is old, but it's still funny))) Because I have never met the version about the Moon (more and more about the Slavic wardrobe) and this:
      "Uncle - HERE SEND FUCKING, eh ..."
      Colleague 123456789, thank you, brightened up the evening!
      wassat laughing
      1. Heat meter
        Heat meter 18 November 2020 23: 54
        +5
        For me, the best version was
        - Does Edita Piekha live here?
        "Idityna ..." lives here, and the spy is one floor higher!
  • Shahno
    Shahno 18 November 2020 19: 40
    +2
    Quote: Harry.km
    Quote: Thrifty
    and instead of a sober comment

    What a sober comment on a site where all sober comments will be bypassed by adherents who have no analogues in the world.
    Where is the article about the fact that Elon, the same Musk, took people to the ISS in pants mode? There is no such article, but here it is a beautiful article, about the fact that the Americans were not on the moon, but there was a dunno. And the main argument is that both statements are the same. There are books! And I personally read the second one more than once ...

    Well, that's okay. Any representative of Homo Sapiens is sure that his dogma, the strongest and most acquired experience, gives him the right to dictate or impose his opinion. Those who are wiser are trying to appeal to empirical knowledge, apostori. But the further into the forest ... In general, the sage surrenders his powers and turns into an ordinary individual. Boring, but this is the situation. For some reason, they believe that Darius existed, but King David did not ... or they are sure that the biblical stories are a fairy tale, but the legends about Svyatoslav Igorevich are pure truth. Just so they think, period.
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 18 November 2020 19: 48
    +1
    Personally, I did not like the article. To the author - "minus", VO edition - five or two "minuses".
    And the point is not even that I do not agree with the opinion of the author, but I am not going to take part in the Special Olympics, but that the article, which claims to be some "revelatory", is completely, that is, completely devoid of references to primary sources.
    In principle, the absence of "proofs" is something like the birthmarks of patrons and secret openers - but this is their business in the end, because the argument: "Extraordinary statements need extraordinary proofs" in matters of faith "does not sound".
    But the position of the VO editorial board in terms of the selection of materials causes some criticism, because it is completely incomprehensible to me what makes the wise editors publish such a frankly weak text on the pages of their publication. And the point is not even in the topic of the article, but in its quality, in the manner of presentation and the complete absence of factual support.
    Doesn't the editorial board understand that by publishing such articles, VO is slipping to the level of REN-TV? What kind of "profit" does the portal get from publications of this kind? Do the people who determine the resource's policy think that in striving for momentary profit, the publication is losing strategically, and losing miserably?
    For me, a person far from publishing, it is very difficult to judge the reasons that prompted the editors to release this opus, but I know one simple thing - if you do something badly, something will definitely kick your ass.
    I think so.
    1. ship
      ship 18 November 2020 20: 10
      +3
      "The article, which claims to be some" exposing ", is completely, that is, completely devoid of references"?
      If you, at least, read the article to the end, you would turn your critical attention to Bill Kaysing's We've Never Been on the Moon.
      1. WayKheThuo
        WayKheThuo 18 November 2020 20: 27
        0
        I did, of course, because I always read articles to the end, but I'm a little bit different: any, I emphasize, any statement in articles of this kind should end with a footnote in the "footer", and there is a link against the footnote - this is actually alpha and omega preparation of more or less serious texts. Base so to speak.
        If the author wrote: "I think ....", "I see ....", "Based on personal experience, I declare that ..." - then there would be no questions. But the author even after the phrase
        Not so long ago, in the sensational decree of Donald Trump ...
        did not give a link, what can we say about the rest of the statements.
        By the way, only the lazy one does not refer to the proposed book, and, as for me, one book will somehow be not enough for an article in which the author expresses not his thoughts, but something that he presents as well-known facts.
        So it goes.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 18 November 2020 21: 19
          +2
          WeiKhe Thuo, hello. This article is in the Opinions section, so it is IMHO by default. As for the links: I suppose the author hoped for the readers, since there is an opportunity to comment. I'll play along with the Author - here's one for you about the mighty rocket Saturn (I have already informed the members of the forum about this collection of articles):

          http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/
          1. Nitochkin
            Nitochkin 19 November 2020 07: 38
            0
            Quote: Motorist
            http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/

            I'll throw in more on the rocket and engines:


          2. WayKheThuo
            WayKheThuo 19 November 2020 20: 15
            +1
            Hello, motorist.
            I am not against the expression of opinions, even more - I welcome the diversity of opinions.
            My main complaints are against the VO editorial board. And the point here is that a person expresses his opinion in writing, and not during a conversation over a glass of tea, where the inaccuracy of statements can be compensated for by the emotionality of the speeches.
            The written presentation of any information requires certain rules developed by generations of writing people, especially on scientific or pseudo-scientific topics, and the fact that those who publish an article do not instill in their authors basic rules of good writing is a huge minus of the VO editorial board.
            As for the link that you kindly provided - thanks, I will definitely take a look.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 November 2020 19: 55
    +2
    of course there are doubts. But I listened to a lecture by V. Surdin about the landing of amers on the moon, and not everything is so simple. He's pretty convincing in his evidence. Moreover, he practically convinced me, who does not believe in the American landing, that the Americans had been there at least once ..
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 19 November 2020 11: 09
      -2
      Quote: aybolyt678
      of course there are doubts. But I listened to a lecture by V. Surdin about the landing of amers on the moon, and not everything is so simple. He's pretty convincing in his evidence. Moreover, he practically convinced me, who does not believe in the American landing, that the Americans had been there at least once ..

      Well done, I studied the theory. Now check it out in practice. Buy a big diaper and walk in it for a week without taking off. 100% all your disbelief will come back))
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 19 November 2020 16: 29
        -1
        Quote: Nitochkin
        and walk in it for a week without taking off. 100% all your disbelief will come back))

        for several million dollars, I just wouldn't eat .... and I think that the diaper there also costs several thousand dollars.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 19 November 2020 17: 47
          -1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Nitochkin
          and walk in it for a week without taking off. 100% all your disbelief will come back))

          for several million dollars, I just wouldn't eat .... and I think that the diaper there also costs several thousand dollars.

          Astronauts did not receive millions of dollars for their flights. Read the biography of the same Armstrong. He, and others, looks especially strange, reclusiveness and silence after flights, worked not in his specialty as a professor, in some hole, led a secretive life with world fame and fame.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 19 November 2020 18: 31
            0
            On the other hand, there is an animal very close to man - a pig. It can be in its own feces for a long time without diapers. Long-term training and chemical means can teach the skin to irritation ... Have you listened to at least one of Surdin's lectures? and this is a scientist by the way. At the lecture, he showed footage, generally known, of astronauts jumping on the moon ... only a few seconds longer than the opponents of the landing show. So, there one astronaut loses his balance and falls on his back, then, pushing himself with his hands and back, gets back to his feet. And this is in a spacesuit !!! which weighs about 80 kg. It's impossible on the set of Earth.
            I'm not talking about all flights, after all, but at least one. And also the Lunar Program of America is commensurate with the budget of the USSR.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 20 November 2020 04: 07
              -2
              Quote: aybolyt678
              On the other hand, there is an animal very close to man - a pig. It can be in its own feces for a long time without diapers. Long-term training and chemical means can teach the skin to irritation ... Have you listened to at least one of Surdin's lectures? and this is a scientist by the way. At the lecture, he showed footage, generally known, of astronauts jumping on the moon ... only a few seconds longer than the opponents of the landing show. So, there one astronaut loses his balance and falls on his back, then, pushing himself with his hands and back, gets back to his feet. And this is in a spacesuit !!! which weighs about 80 kg. It's impossible on the set of Earth.
              I'm not talking about all flights, after all, but at least one. And also the Lunar Program of America is commensurate with the budget of the USSR.

              Scientist? Oh well. How many of them are fed from the American giants. Take the same Leonov. A communist, twice awarded the highest award of the USSR, and sold for Amerov's cookies and tore a vest for the fact that the US astronauts were on the moon.
              As for jumping, so they, magicians-magicians-wizards, not only pushed off with their hands, could get up to their feet without pushing at all, bgg. Look at 6:15 how this happens.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 20 November 2020 09: 56
                0
                I honestly watched the video .. there are many. Earnestly. But you also try to type Surdin about lunar missions on YouTube. It will be very informative, this is not cutting and compilation, but a scientific approach .. At first it is boring, then you start to enrich, regardless of your beliefs
                1. Nitochkin
                  Nitochkin 20 November 2020 11: 19
                  -1
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  I honestly watched the video .. there are many. Earnestly. But you also try to type Surdin about lunar missions on YouTube. It will be very informative, this is not cutting and compilation, but a scientific approach .. At first it is boring, then you start to enrich, regardless of your beliefs

                  I typed and looked. I watched only about the US lunar epic.
                  The scientific approach in substantiating the reality of the American landing on the moon is not visible, as they say, point-blank. A set of stamps, ranging from the rocket to the scotch tape with which the wings were attached over the wheels of the lunar rover.
                  And his constant spitting in the direction of the Soviet is also noticeable during the course of lectures. Does it work out cookies?
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 20 November 2020 14: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    And his constant spitting in the direction of the Soviet is also noticeable during the course of lectures. Does it work out cookies?

                    his fatness does not confirm your assumption about overeating with cookies, In addition, the moon is not his strong point, he is very erudite on any cosmic issues. The culture, which is known to be a system of internal restrictions, does not allow him to spit. He is a normal Soviet scientist. He calls himself that. And you didn't look very closely, since you saw only what you wanted to see.
                    1. Nitochkin
                      Nitochkin 20 November 2020 15: 19
                      -1
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Quote: Nitochkin
                      And his constant spitting in the direction of the Soviet is also noticeable during the course of lectures. Does it work out cookies?

                      his fatness does not confirm your assumption about overeating with cookies, In addition, the moon is not his strong point, he is very erudite on any cosmic issues. The culture, which is known to be a system of internal restrictions, does not allow him to spit. He is a normal Soviet scientist. He calls himself that. And you didn't look very closely, since you saw only what you wanted to see.

                      You can eat in three throats and stay thin. Worms, for example.
                      What is there to watch? About flights to the moon from lecture to lecture the same thing, and at the level of kindergarten. He does not understand technical issues at all. In short, a popularizer, nothing, but popular. Grant-eater 100%.
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 20 November 2020 15: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Nitochkin
                        He does not understand technical issues at all. In short, a popularizer, nothing, but popular. Grant-eater 100%

                        strongly said !!! smile I would not even think laughing you are perspicacious !!!
            2. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 20 November 2020 04: 30
              -1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              On the other hand, there is an animal very close to man - a pig. It can be in its own feces for a long time without diapers. Long-term training and chemical means can teach the skin to irritation ... Have you listened to at least one of Surdin's lectures? and this is a scientist by the way. At the lecture, he showed footage, generally known, of astronauts jumping on the moon ... only a few seconds longer than the opponents of the landing show. So, there one astronaut loses his balance and falls on his back, then, pushing himself with his hands and back, gets back to his feet. And this is in a spacesuit !!! which weighs about 80 kg. It's impossible on the set of Earth.
              I'm not talking about all flights, after all, but at least one. And also the Lunar Program of America is commensurate with the budget of the USSR.

              Astrophysicist Jarrah White is against your astronomer Surdin. Both scientists, if anything))
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 November 2020 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: aybolyt678
      of course there are doubts. But I listened to a lecture by V. Surdin about the landing of amers on the moon, and not everything is so simple. He's pretty convincing in his evidence. Moreover, he practically convinced me, who does not believe in the American landing, that the Americans had been there at least once ..

      You are on the right track if you began to watch the lectures of scientists, and not Fomenok and other Mr.
      Sergei Popov is also a cool lecturer, but he is more of an astrophysicist;
      1. region58
        region58 20 November 2020 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        in a spacesuit !!! which weighs about 80 kg.

        If A7L is 91, and strictly speaking it is mass, the weight on the Moon is about six times less.
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Of cool lecturers

        More Verkhodanov. Also an astrophysicist. It's a pity I left early ...
        Quote: Vol4ara
        the solar system doesn't care

        Well Duc ... Give us at least billions of years and trillions of parsecs. yes
  • Bradley
    Bradley 18 November 2020 19: 58
    +1
    I will say right away that no one is obliged to prove that the Americans did not land on the moon. It is the United States who must convincingly prove that their astronauts really were there. Spectacular starts broadcast to the whole world are not proof.

    The prosecution must prove this, i.e. - You!
  • dgonni
    dgonni 18 November 2020 20: 27
    +1
    Something the style of presentation strongly resembles Samsonov.
    Yes! Falcon and Dregon Mask are both fictional. But this trampoline delivered 4 cosmonauts to the ISS yesterday.
    But there is no evidence. For there were no publications and notifications on VO :)
  • APASUS
    APASUS 18 November 2020 20: 39
    +2
    Actually, some assumptions. There were more people in space than at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Mining on the moon is more of a prestige project than an economically viable enterprise. Let them try to extract
  • KCA
    KCA 18 November 2020 20: 48
    +1
    After the US lunar flights, the USSR suddenly received permission to import large-diameter pipes from Germany and lay gas and oil pipelines to Western Europe, a coincidence?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 18 November 2020 20: 57
      -2
      The USSR sold the opportunity to put the United States in the mud, in exchange for the status of a raw material colony for the United States?
      1. KCA
        KCA 18 November 2020 20: 59
        +3
        Has the USA moved to Europe long ago? I always thought they were on the other side of the ball. And the USSR began to sell oil and oil refined products in 1920, grandfather Lenin was still alive, he turned the then RSFSR into a raw materials colony?
        1. KCA
          KCA 18 November 2020 21: 48
          +1
          Indiscriminately minus, seeing Lenin, or something else, check out
          https://oil-industry.net/images/upload/Arhiv_Jurnala/2006_09_139-141_Igolkin.pdf
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 18 November 2020 22: 56
    +3
    Ha. How worried everyone was when the neighbors had new Trampolines.
    The tale about Fox and Vinograd is typical analogy.

    Let me remind you: Ours promised a lunar landing by 2015, everyone wasted, and now they are feeding promises, which they themselves do not believe (they are confused in terms, approaches, programs and names)
    Meanwhile, the Chinese have recently landed on the other side. And everyone - Americans, Chinese, Indians, Europeans, wants more soon.

    By the way, the Amerovskie and Russian traces of the landing were photographed, already now, by the Chinese, Hindus, Russians, and the Americans themselves (but they, obviously, do not count). There are photos and videos about this on the network ...
  • Kushka
    Kushka 18 November 2020 23: 22
    +2
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    It's time for Afftyr to quit drugs.

    It's time for the administration of the site to tie up - the placement of such articles reflects the level of degradation to which the resource has sunk in the best possible way. ...

    Come on, we are not picky, we eat what they give.
    "Little Sophie, my sweet tooth! I brought you tulips!"
  • dgonni
    dgonni 19 November 2020 00: 18
    +3
    Here I am wondering and WHAT was the author guided by claiming that the mattresses have a Saturn-5 rocket is a fake?
    Or theirs Skylab with 77 tons of weight on a trampoline flew into orbit? Or the debris from him that fell in Australia is all the mattresses from the transport workers scattered?
  • Arabfun
    Arabfun 19 November 2020 02: 31
    +1
    Waging the Vietnam War for 10 years, keeping 500 thousand soldiers there, losing ... and being on the moon several times, does it feel like "victory"? They would have listened attentively to Leonov when he said that he had seen the stars, the moon and the sun. (there are no stars in the photo with the flag)
  • Revolver
    Revolver 19 November 2020 02: 52
    +1
    "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky!" - The last phrase uttered by Armstrong before leaving the moon.
  • riwas
    riwas 19 November 2020 04: 16
    +2
    The Americans did not know then that there would be a lethal dose of radiation, and there was no chance of survival - if there were astronauts in their Apollo at that level of protection.

    Apollo 17 (the last landing on the Moon) six months before the launch was preceded by three powerful magnetic storms - June 17-19, August 4-8 after a powerful solar-proton event, October 31 to November 1, 1972. The same applies to Apollo 8 (the first flyby of the Moon with a man on board), which was preceded by a powerful magnetic storm for two months, October 30-31, 1968. Obviously, a significant expansion of the proton belt and an increase in the radiation dose to 10 Sieverts should be expected. This is a lethal dose of radiation for humans.
    Here everything is laid out in detail on the shelves.
    http://www.kramola.info/vesti/kosmos/smertelnye-izlucheniya-za-magnitosferoy-oprovergayut-mify-o-polyotah-na-lunu
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 19 November 2020 11: 36
      0
      Quote: riwas
      Apollo 17 (the last landing on the Moon) six months before the launch was preceded by three powerful magnetic storms - June 17-19, August 4-8 after a powerful solar-proton event, October 31 to November 1, 1972. The same applies to Apollo 8 (the first flyby of the Moon with a man on board), which was preceded by a powerful magnetic storm for two months, October 30-31, 1968. Obviously, a significant expansion of the proton belt and an increase in the radiation dose to 10 Sieverts should be expected. This is a lethal dose of radiation for humans.
      Here everything is laid out in detail on the shelves.
      http://www.kramola.info/vesti/kosmos/smertelnye-izlucheniya-za-magnitosferoy-oprovergayut-mify-o-polyotah-na-lunu

      Here, too, everything is on the shelves
      "Radiation loads on spacecraft when they are put on an interplanetary trajectory during the period of minimum solar activity / IP Bezrodnykh, EI Morozova, AA Petrukovich, VT Semenov, VM Dolcart // Questions Electromechanics. Proceedings of VNIIEM. - M .: JSC "Corporation" VNIIEM. -2013. -v. 132. -No. 1. -S. 7-12
      Conclusion: With a screen thickness of more than 3 g / cm2, flights to the Moon can occur under any radiation environment inside the magnetosphere and even during periods of moderate fluxes of cosmic rays from solar flares.
      Let me remind you that Apollo had a protection of at least 7.5 g / cm2 "
  • riwas
    riwas 19 November 2020 04: 31
    +2
    Since we are talking about space, it is worth mentioning the latest news about the asteroid Apophis. We are talking about the Yarkovsky effect, which earlier researchers did not take into account, in which the sun's rays fall on one side of the asteroid. This leads to the appearance of a reactive impulse due to heating and cooling of this side and gives the celestial body an additional acceleration.
    This effect leads to the fact that Apophis deviates from the calculated trajectory by about 170 meters per year. In this case, the asteroid is gradually approaching our planet. Consequently, the probability of its collision with the Earth is slightly higher than previously assumed.
    https://naked-science.ru/article/astronomy/asteroid-apofis-bolshaya-ugroza-dlya-zemli-chem-schitalos-ranee
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 November 2020 06: 11
    +2
    I don't know if the Americans were on the moon, but I know something else. It is unlikely that anyone will have to do what the USSR and the United States did in their 30s. All these chants about the extraordinary power in outer space are nothing more than deception. At that time, satellites, in addition to military purposes, freely participated in national economies: observing fires on Earth, observing shoals of fish, changing soil on Earth. It was commonplace.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 19 November 2020 09: 19
    -1
    Again "Sharikov's" nonsense. "Voennoye Obozreniye" is degrading.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 19 November 2020 09: 35
    0
    Yes, Per se, I read the comments the other day ... I will not comment on the topic, because it is useless. After all, in order to draw a conclusion for oneself, whether the Yankees flew to the moon or not, it is necessary to shove through a bunch of literature, both "for" and "against", objectively weigh all the arguments, analyze all possible coincidences and only then decide where the truth is.
    For myself personally, I drew conclusions a long time ago, having carried out such a comprehensive analysis for myself, so you plus for the material hi
    If a person himself does not want to know something, then it is useless to convince him otherwise. I was convinced of the polemics on the "lunar" topic earlier, including on this site. You expressed your opinion, and many people agree with him even overseas, and even before us. But there is politics, and its interests have recently very often diverged from the truth.
    I can only say - people, consider ALL the arguments and turn on your brains, then you don't have to believe fairy tales smile
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 20 November 2020 09: 05
      -1
      You are always welcome, Sergey drinks
      The answer in the profile did not go through, it knocks out the recipient's identification error, so I'll write here, maybe you will read it smile
      Alas, the current consumer society is used to living a lie ... To realize that even respected public figures can lie is contrary to the very essence of their existence. About politicians, when the honor of the country is at stake, I generally keep quiet. As the hero of the popular TV series said, everyone lies. Whole academics get their insignia by cultivating lies. I'm talking about history. And when you show a different opinion, they spread rot, ridicule you. Because it's easier that way than starting to think, recheck, doubt, finally, that you are being presented.
      It seems to me that we need to move on to explaining the technical issues. Maybe the arguments of techies about the falsity of the F-1 parameters, about fairy tales about ideal docking in lunar orbit, about the discrepancy between the Saturn launch schedule and the one filmed on camera will somehow convince the adherents of the American "genius". There are too many circumstantial evidence of falsification, which in forensic science would be enough for a bang to accept the truth, but for some reason it does not work in this case.
      Best regards hi
  • shinobi
    shinobi 19 November 2020 09: 43
    +3
    According to the Saturn-5 program, super-heavy launch vehicles, in general, some questions. There were / were not Yankees on the moon, a secondary question. I have only one question for NASA figures: if everything is true, then why are you not able to repeat your own products half a century ago ? Why is everything from scratch now? If we follow the anology, the engines from our lunar H-1 live and live in the descendants, where are the descendants from their super-powerful (unsurpassed so far) dvigun from Saturn-5? Where are the descendants of life support systems (if they were If our astronaut packs himself into a space suit, the second crew member only insures him and conducts external diagnostics, then the Americans need four assistants. The astronaut himself cannot wear their space suit. in principle, the design does not allow.News that we are planning to use are copies of our skafs.In general, questions can be collected on a whole article
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 21 November 2020 16: 54
      -1
      Well, at least they would google something before writing nonsense.
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 22 November 2020 09: 22
        +1
        Googled. One laudatory ode and that's it. No specifics. Movers for the shuttle program, from scratch. First stage accelerators of the launch vehicle, from scratch. At least it's understandable why. Nobody did just such a power. VE -4, a new dvigun for NASA, again The F-1 Saturn-5 has no descendants. From the word at all. If the engines of the second and third stages from this launch vehicle (modernized) are actively used now, where did the F-1 go? Where is its even more powerful counterpart F- 5? In NASA, they don't keep fools and know how to count money. What is cheaper, to cut a product from scratch, or still work from an already working unit? Spacesuits are generally a separate conversation. The lunar spacesuit disappeared along with the program itself and was no longer used anywhere, unlike our Orlan .A direct descendant of the "lunar" Gyrfinger. What the Yankees use now, from the shuttle program. A monster that takes 24 minutes to put on and 4 crew members to help. Their cosmonaut cannot do this, the structure is assembled right on it. This is without taking into account the preliminary operations I. Packing in Orlan takes 2-3 minutes and a person does it on his own without assistance. The question, which of us did not use Google? I repeat: Were the Yankees on the moon or not, the question is secondary. The main question is why they cannot to recreate what was once done? The answer is quite obvious.
        PS: There is such a phenomenon in the life of a technologically advanced (any) civilization called "The Sum of Technologies". So, without this amount, it is impossible to recreate / copy a product / invention even with complete documentation on the technological production chains. And vice versa. With the sum of technologies, you can recreate / copy anything just knowing that someone has already done it. NASA excuses such as the documentation is lost, the archives are not destroyed. America is a liar country.
  • AML
    AML 19 November 2020 09: 46
    -1
    Quote: Motorist
    Quote: astepanov
    And I liked it. Especially the second photo.

    And on the first - the shadows are not parallel. And this illusion of sight relief (cross out unnecessary) is to blame, of course! lol

    The official position states that all photos and videos were lost. Those photos that surf the Internet were taken in pavilions on Earth and NASA does not deny this. Therefore, it is useless to find fault with the photons, but "based on" or "I see it this way" is a big question.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 November 2020 10: 23
    +1
    Here here: conspiracy theorists on the march! laughing
    Looking forward to an article on flat earth. fellow
  • Rustic i ......
    Rustic i ...... 19 November 2020 11: 40
    0
    Why srach then? Do you want to get your summer cottage for personal use? For God's sake. Let them land in a convenient place for this, post a plot and get the desired six acres, they can even fence it in and paint it in the colors of the American flag (there are Tom Sawyer's tea). It is not realistic to open the hawalnik to the whole planet, even if it is small: the hawalnik will crack or his pants will break at the seam. So put the stars-striped flag in your hands, and forward, to the drumming. They can take to enhance the colorful show of the inflated rubber Obama and a bunch of naked girls dancing something.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 19 November 2020 12: 16
    +1
    after which a direct participant in the program, our cosmonaut Leonov, became an ardent supporter of the American landing on the moon.
    The fact is that Leonov is lying - he says that he was personally present at the launch of the Apollo - but he just saw reports about the landing of astronauts on TV in real time with a select few !!! Saw a blurry blinking picture on antediluvian black and white TV !!! And this is all that the USSR cosmonaut Leonov could see !!!

    And he is lying because if the whole lie about the Apollo project is revealed, then it turns out that the United States cheated the USSR along with its great cosmonauts !!! And who, after that, the cosmonauts of the USSR-who are suckers who hung noodles on their ears ???
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 19 November 2020 18: 01
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      Quote: Selevc
      after which a direct participant in the program, our cosmonaut Leonov, became an ardent supporter of the American landing on the moon.
      The fact is that Leonov is lying - he says that he was personally present at the launch of the Apollo - but he just saw reports about the landing of astronauts on TV in real time with a select few !!! Saw a blurry blinking picture on antediluvian black and white TV !!! And this is all that the USSR cosmonaut Leonov could see !!!

      And he is lying because if the whole lie about the Apollo project is revealed, then it turns out that the United States cheated the USSR along with its great cosmonauts !!! And who, after that, the cosmonauts of the USSR-who are suckers who hung noodles on their ears ???

      Everything is much more commonplace. Leonov is lying because he receives a salary from the Washington regional committee. Search the internet for who and in which organization Mr. Leonov, a former hero of the Soviet Union, worked after perestroika.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 20 November 2020 18: 22
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        Leonov is lying because he receives a salary from the Washington regional committee. Look in the internet who and in what organization Mr. Leonov worked after perestroika,
        I think. that for all former Soviet cosmonauts to admit the fact that they were stupidly divorced (and even when? - at the peak of the country's power and personally for them at the peak of their careers) is probably harder than shooting themselves !!!!
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 20 November 2020 18: 38
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          Quote: Selevc
          Leonov is lying because he receives a salary from the Washington regional committee. Look in the internet who and in what organization Mr. Leonov worked after perestroika,
          I think. that for all former Soviet cosmonauts to admit the fact that they were stupidly divorced (and even when? - at the peak of the country's power and personally for them at the peak of their careers) is probably harder than shooting themselves !!!!

          There is no need to generalize. Leonov sold out as a crew commander on the Soyuz-Apollo mission. None of the other astronauts were seen kissing American boots again.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 20 November 2020 20: 12
            -1
            I do not know specifically about other astronauts, but I talked personally with some of the creators of the Lunokhod, and these people almost unanimously claim that the Americans were on the Moon. Although they cannot provide a single intelligible proof of this - they begin conversations in the spirit of "there were and that's all !!!" .. Or they say phrases like - "were - we saw it on TV then ..." That is, these people, too, simply speaking themselves, do not really know anything about the Apollo program, but they really do not want to look like cheated suckers.

            Or maybe they just still carry out the instructions given to them by the special services back then - the essence of which is not to refute Apollo's program - the party said they were, then they were !!!
  • AML
    AML 19 November 2020 12: 27
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Here here: conspiracy theorists on the march! laughing
    Looking forward to an article on flat earth. fellow

    As for me, sectarians from science are no better than sectarians from religion. Both of them have 2 versions: generally accepted and incorrect.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 19 November 2020 12: 33
    -1
    To date, there is not a single exact proof of the presence of the Americans on the Moon !!!
    The arguments of the supporters of the Lunar missions are ridiculous and deceitful and crumble with the help of elementary logic !!!

    Examples of funny reasons and their refutation:
    1) How could the United States have staged flights and the USSR did not find out about it? Could !!! First, the Americans did not report the coordinates of the ships flying to the Moon, and the USSR, when it launched the Lunokhod, reported even to British astronomers. Secondly, the USSR at that time did not know much about the Apollo project, since much was classified.
    2) Why was the USSR silent and now the Russian Federation is silent about Lunar fakes? They were silent, they are silent and will remain silent because the USSR and the Russian Federation are connected with the USA by treaties on outer space in which there are conditions not to question each other's space achievements !!!
    3) How can you explain the presence of the lunar program in the USSR? The explanation is simple - they were chasing America and, in particular, they thought that the United States had advanced technologies under the Lunar program - the same protection from space radiation that was probably planned to be obtained through reconnaissance - direct analogies with the Manhattan project !!!
    4) The Americans were on the moon and left corner reflectors there !!! There is no evidence that these reflectors were left by a human hand !!!
    5) The flights of Apollo were seen by many thousands of people at spaceports and millions on TV !!! This does not prove that the launching Apollo flew exactly to the Moon. And the people who saw the launches - they are not professionals, in particular, in missile ballistics and in space physics !!! You will convince the skeptics - of which, by the way, many are scientists and professionals !!!

    In the end, I want to note that there is only one 100% proof of the ability of people to fly to the Moon - this is the flights of astronauts to the Moon of other space powers except the USA !!! If this happens, then I will be the first to say that we can fly to the moon !!! In the meantime, excuse me - where is the guarantee that Musk's new victories are again not a Lunar fake, but already at this historical stage ???
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      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 19 November 2020 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: leks
        Bravo good neighing first from the article above, and then from you, you and the author are not smelling the same powder.
        Maybe you will read an article on IN that neighing again with you. I love to read such hamsters, they write something pyzhatsya trying to prove that they are super-sofa experts, but it's not clear why and for whom they are trying, probably trying to assert themselves.
        You write write do not be shy, you are our exposer.


        It's still nothing. Some now and American rovers manage to deny the landing of the SpaseX stages. But they believe in the "Battle of psychics".

        This, by the way, is not a fiction, I actually saw such people.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 20 November 2020 18: 18
          -1
          It's still nothing. Some now and American rovers manage to deny the landing of the SpaseX stages. But they believe in the "Battle of psychics".

          This is exactly what the typical stupid delusional arguments of the supporters of the Apollo program look like - in fact nothing, but we switch to extraneous topics and emotions !!!
          That is, again, stupid lies !!!

          We believe that until now no one flies to the moon, which is an absolute axiom, and this is very strange !!!

          I will add one more indisputable fact to you which directly says that people have never landed on the moon !!! As everyone knows, the USSR by the beginning of the 70s brought to mind the creation of heavy rockets with which the Lunokhod was launched into the orbit of the moon !!! And the weight of the Lunokhod with auxiliary equipment is definitely more than a ton of payload put into the Moon's orbit !!! That is, by the beginning of the 70s the USSR had a rocket capable of putting a person into the orbit of the moon !!!

          The question to fill in - why did the USSR never put a man into the orbit of the moon ??? Is it really worthless to be the # 2 leader in the development of the Moon by man ???

          The answer is elementary - because the USSR did not have the protection of the crew from cosmic radiation and the union apparently did not want to send suicide astronauts on the flight !!!
          1. region58
            region58 20 November 2020 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: Selevc
            And the weight of the Lunokhod with auxiliary equipment is definitely more than a ton of payload put into the Moon's orbit !!! That is, by the beginning of the 70s the USSR had a rocket capable of putting a person into the orbit of the moon !!!

            The mass of the AMS "Luna-17" (with Lunokhod-1) is 5600 kg. The mass of 7K-LOK (11F93) is already almost 10 tons. Plus LK (11F94) - another five and a half tons. Plus different flight paths. Therefore, in no way, except for H-1. But, it did not grow together ... alas ...
            PS Exclamation marks are not enough for persuasiveness.
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  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 19 November 2020 14: 44
    +2
    "on secondary radiation to receive doses from 200 to 250 Curie - this is hard X-ray and gamma radiation from deceleration of electrons and protons by the ship's hull."
    for the author:
    1) Dose in Curie is not measured, activity is measured in them ... request
    the absorbed dose is measured in rad or Gray (Gy), but here it is better to use an equivalent dose - it is in rem or Sievert (Sv) ...
    2) when decelerating charged particles in the field of the nucleus, gamma radiation does not arise - it occurs during nuclear transformations ... request
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 19 November 2020 14: 58
    +2
    So, the United States refuses to consider the Moon the property of all mankind and intends to single-handedly begin the extraction of resources on it.
    - "we are concerned!" (c) the government of the Russian Federation, Roskosmos