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"The war is over, why are the soldiers not at home" - the Armenian Defense Ministry has to answer questions from relatives of servicemen

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"The war is over, why are the soldiers not at home" - the Armenian Defense Ministry has to answer questions from relatives of servicemen

The Armenian Defense Ministry had to comment on numerous questions, including from the relatives of the soldiers, related to the events in Nagorno-Karabakh. One of the most widespread questions is the following: why did the agreement on peace and the withdrawal of troops from Karabakh enter into force on November 10, and the soldiers still have not returned home? Such a question may seem naive, but it is important to keep in mind that we are talking about a question from relatives of military personnel, including conscripts and volunteers.


The press secretary of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia Shushan Stepanyan tried to answer the question:

Taking into account the numerous appeals of parents and family members of military personnel in connection with the provision of recreation opportunities for combatants, the RA Ministry of Defense clarifies that units of the armed forces are still continuing to carry out their tasks.

According to Ms. Stepanyan, there has really been no hostilities since November 10, while the personnel are at their permanent bases.

Shushan Stepanyan:

Also, servicemen with health problems are being treated.

According to the representative of the Armenian military department, the Ministry of Defense unconditionally appreciates the dedication and heroism of the Armenian fighters throughout the war and "realizes the importance of the issue of their return."

Ministry of Defense of Armenia:

We assure you that after the situation is completely stabilized, everything will be done for the leave of servicemen who took part in the hostilities.

It was noted that while active work is underway to implement the trilateral agreement.

Let us recall that on the basis of this agreement, the Armenian troops must leave Nagorno-Karabakh.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 11: 40
    20
    Most likely because they have not yet been dispersed to their homes, then it will be possible to calculate the real losses.
    And they apparently. To put it mildly, somewhat higher than those voiced by official sources.
    1. Civil
      Civil 16 November 2020 11: 45
      -18 qualifying.
      And why did the Armenians decide that the war is over? There, at least 2 neighboring states want to liquidate Armenia altogether.
      1. iouris
        iouris 16 November 2020 11: 50
        32
        Quote: Civil
        There, at least 2 neighboring states want to liquidate Armenia altogether.

        Three. The state of Armenia also wants it.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 16 November 2020 12: 28
          +4
          Would like to - liquidated.
      2. Temples
        Temples 16 November 2020 11: 52
        33
        Strange ...
        After all, the Army of Armenia did not officially fight with Azerbaijan.

        Then what are the statements of the Armenian Defense Ministry?

        According to the official version of the Armenian Defense Ministry, who and where should return if the Armenian army was not in the war in Karabakh?
        1. Jager
          Jager 16 November 2020 11: 57
          15
          Strange war
          1. iouris
            iouris 16 November 2020 12: 03
            +5
            Right now the time is this: the time of strange wars.
            War is simply "force majeure circumstances" that allow (who really needs it) to move into another reality. Well, the "elite" didn’t manage to govern in the old way. But if something happened where - then here you are.
        2. MTN
          MTN 16 November 2020 12: 02
          -7
          Quote: Temples
          After all, the Army of Armenia did not officially fight with Azerbaijan.

          Forgot to put a tick. I have always said that the citizens of Armenia are fighting in Karabakh. I would also send troops to Karabakh instead of Pashinyan. Anyway, Armenia is under the protection of Russia, what for to keep them idle.

          The Armenians tried to drive the whole world into their noodles about the fact that a certain "People of Karabakh" allegedly howls with Azerbaijan from the first days.

          And Shushan should not be clever and lay out the news of the so-called head of Karabakh where he officially admits that hundreds more bodies are lying on the ground.

          The bodies of 150 Armenian soldiers were removed from the territory near the city of Shusha, liberated from the Armenian occupation by the Azerbaijani army. The head of the Karabakh separatists Arayik Harutyunyan announced this on his Facebook, Sputnik Armenia reports.

          "... We ... suffered great human and territorial losses, which is once again evidenced by the bodies of 150 Armenian servicemen removed from the approaches to Shushi these days," he wrote.

          According to Harutyunyan, hundreds more bodies are on the battlefield, which creates uncertainty for the relatives of the victims and the entire Armenian people.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 16 November 2020 13: 19
            0
            How many Armenian bodies did the Azerbaijanis throw into the sea from the Mi-26?

            https://youtu.be/kr-1PhT6Jvo
            1. Temples
              Temples 16 November 2020 13: 32
              12
              Quote: MTN
              The Armenians tried the whole world ...

              You here do not arrange propaganda and propaganda.
              Both sides are good.
              You will not be appeased - you will not kill each other for the smell of tobacco.

              The meaning of all this? Does it make sense to kill thousands of people on both sides?
            2. MTN
              MTN 16 November 2020 13: 36
              +5
              Quote: Old Tankman
              https://youtu.be/kr-1PhT6Jvo

              Azerbaijan does not have such a helicopter. There is no Mi26 in Azerbaijan. And on the video they say that they are not sure if this is Azerbaijan. This is one side of the coin.

              and the other side, why throw them into the sea when you can show the world their losses? what will change from the fact that we threw the corpses of the Armenians into the sea? What is the plus for us to shoot and show to the whole world?
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              2. Old tanker
                Old tanker 16 November 2020 14: 30
                +2
                You thought I gave you a link to a video I haven't watched? The point was not that the bodies were actually dumped into the sea, but how many unnamed Armenian soldiers were buried in large numbers. Whether at sea or in land. Did anyone really count them?
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 November 2020 13: 49
              +5
              I remember Qaddafi dumping the bodies of those killed from planes in the desert. Rare nonsense, but there are those who believe
            4. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 November 2020 13: 57
              +5
              Kolomna in your video 2018. Regular parachutists
            5. sgapich
              sgapich 16 November 2020 14: 20
              +7
              Quote: Old Tanker
              How many Armenian bodies did the Azerbaijanis throw into the sea from the Mi-26?

              And here is where the video piece for this fake was cut from:
              https://youtu.be/_Pu-nqwAdcU начиная с 1:48
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 16 November 2020 14: 49
                0
                Thanks. Very grateful.
            6. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 16 November 2020 14: 44
              +1
              Quote: Old Tankman
              https://youtu.be/kr-1PhT6Jvo

              It's too expensive
            7. X-factor
              X-factor 17 November 2020 10: 20
              -1
              Azerbaijanis do not desecrate the sea ..... This is footage of the 2018 landing exercises in Russia ....
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        4. Petrik66
          Petrik66 16 November 2020 13: 11
          +4
          there were Armenian volunteers. Zoldat writes a paper stating that he has an acute personal dislike for Aliyev and in a couple of days is already in the trench with others experiencing written dislike. And for Armenia, the loss of 5000 people, if this is projected onto the Russian Federation, is equivalent to the loss of 210 for Russia.
        5. zwlad
          zwlad 16 November 2020 13: 52
          +1
          After all, the Army of Armenia did not officially fight with Azerbaijan.

          So I am asking the same question. What are the Armenian Defense Ministry troops in the NKR?
          Are they not there?
        6. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 16 November 2020 14: 02
          +6
          Quote: Temples
          Strange ...
          After all, the Army of Armenia did not officially fight with Azerbaijan.

          Then what are the statements of the Armenian Defense Ministry?

          According to the official version of the Armenian Defense Ministry, who and where should return if the Armenian army was not in the war in Karabakh?

          Stop mocking the "orphans", you still ask on the basis of what mobilization was announced in Armenia, and full ...
        7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 November 2020 14: 47
          0
          Quote: Temples
          Armenian army did not officially fight with Azerbaijan

          Even in the article a disclaimer about volunteers
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 16 November 2020 13: 52
        +2
        The Armenians, having chosen p.pin.ka, themselves want to destroy Armenia as a country, turning it into a Fashington colony.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 16 November 2020 11: 55
      +8
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      And they apparently. To put it mildly, somewhat higher than those voiced by official sources

      Very similar to that. There is no one to return ... They are playing for time to "smear" the situation for a longer period.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 12: 00
        13
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        They take time to "smear" the situation for a longer period.

        Sure. The people in Yerevan are buzzing anyway.
        They say: "The king is not real!"
        1. MTN
          MTN 16 November 2020 12: 10
          +9
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          Sure. The people in Yerevan are buzzing anyway.
          They say: "The king is not real!"

          Pashinyan is now eating his cap, he would give everything to return time back and does not become prime minister. Here things are like this. A) He gives 7 districts without war and then his tribesmen will devour him B) He fights and loses everything, and anyway his tribesmen will devour him.

          Here, wherever you go, the result is one, Pashinyan will be devoured.

          Armenians say that Pashinyan is wrong, that he should not have surrendered. These Armenians are clearly not on friendly terms with their heads. Like if instead of Pashinyan during the war there was Ashotyan or some other YAN, the war was won? Nonsense.

          Armenia not only lost the occupied lands, not only lost soldiers, but Armenia was stripped. They destroyed both equipment and trophies. Nobody has lost so much yet. I am sure there will be news soon about this. All trophies are taken to the tank until the last cartridge. And then they will show the whole world what they have lost.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 16 November 2020 14: 05
            +5
            Quote: MTN
            Like if instead of Pashinyan during the war there was Ashotyan or some other YAN, the war was won? Nonsense.

            If only they were seriously preparing to fight, and not only at the level of purchases of various toys, but also seriously engineering preparation of the theater of operations, combat training, etc. and the conversation would be different. But they preferred to steal everything and everyone ...
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 16 November 2020 14: 06
            0
            Quote: MTN
            Armenia not only lost the occupied lands, not only lost soldiers, but Armenia was stripped. They destroyed both equipment and trophies. Nobody has lost so much yet. I am sure there will be news soon about this. All trophies are taken to the tank until the last cartridge. And then they will show the whole world what they have lost.

            I think Armenia will face claims from Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani refugees from the NKR ...
          3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 November 2020 14: 52
            +3
            Quote: MTN
            Pashinyan is now eating his cap, he would give everything to return time back and does not become prime minister

            You absolutely don't understand the psychology of politicians.
            And no one will eat it. The task of whose task he had to accomplish, now he will work as a lightning rod and, if it remains toxic, will go to a comfortable pension.
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      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 November 2020 23: 48
        0
        "There is no one to return .." ////
        ----
        I think so too. "Missing". sad
        And they are unlikely to ever return home.
        The losses of the Armenians were sky-high, judging by the video from the air.
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 16 November 2020 12: 27
      +3
      There are rumors that some units refuse to leave the occupied territories and threaten to fight anyone who encroaches on ... It seems that this is why they made a delay until November 25.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2020 12: 45
      15
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      real losses can be calculated.

      They just don't know which side the soldiers will take. Bring them back to Yerevan and it is quite possible that he will hang Pashinyan and the company by the balls.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 12: 49
        +4
        It is also an option.
    5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 November 2020 14: 45
      0
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      then it will be possible to calculate the real losses

      I don't quite understand how this can be done. Go through all the houses and check the box if you left and returned or not?
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 November 2020 11: 41
    +5
    So, the Armenians themselves shouted that because of the congestion of the roads, it was impossible to withdraw the units in time! They have exactly 8 Fridays a week!
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 16 November 2020 11: 52
    +7
    From the previous article:
    Realizing his real level of support, Pashinyan turned to blatant threats: for example, he wrote on his Facebook page that he was waiting in Yerevan for "the guys from the front line" who must deal with the "whining under the walls." That is how he named his opponents. It is possible that if the unrest continues, Pashinyan will indeed be ready to use violence and move on to reprisals against his political opponents.
    And now from this:
    We assure that after complete stabilization of the situation everything will be done for the vacation of servicemen who took part in the hostilities.
    I feel that it is not Pashinyan and not the oppa who are driving there now, but the military.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 16 November 2020 12: 39
      +2
      He can write anything, but who told him that the guys from the front line will deal with those who are there under the walls and will not join them to deal with someone else. With him, for example.
  4. Russ
    Russ 16 November 2020 11: 59
    +5
    Take your greatcoat, let's go home! ...
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 16 November 2020 12: 08
      +6
      Quote: Russia
      Take your greatcoat, let's go home! ...

      Who would have demobilized them ... recourse
  5. HAM
    HAM 16 November 2020 12: 02
    +5
    I suppose that Pashinyan is in vain hopes to support the fighters, whom he is waiting for to disperse the "whining" under the windows .... they will come ... evil, having seen blood and most likely considering Pashinyan to be guilty of the defeat .. but he does not let the soldiers go home ..
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    2. Dmitry Makarov
      Dmitry Makarov 16 November 2020 12: 19
      0
      They will kiss him in the ass, for not letting him die in the Cauldron.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 16 November 2020 12: 41
      +7
      In general, he does the right thing, that he does not let go. Suddenly they too will be pinned down to the whining. In addition, there is still something to do - at least to collect the remains of the dead.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 November 2020 23: 50
        +1
        There is no one to let go. They died.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 17 November 2020 00: 25
          +1
          How, in general, everything?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 November 2020 00: 53
            0
            A significant part, alas sad
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 17 November 2020 01: 02
              +1
              A significant part of this is not all, and since it is not all that letting go, there is someone, and they do not let go either because they simply did not have time, or because they still need it. That's all. The dead, of course, rest in peace, there are really a lot of them.
  6. tarabar
    tarabar 16 November 2020 12: 15
    +4
    It’s a strange war, strange questions, strange statements, war isn’t going to the movies, where you can get up and go after the “End of the movie” sign. The winner must still retain what he has won, and the loser, as in this situation, must not relax ahead of schedule and lose even more.
  7. Azimuth
    Azimuth 16 November 2020 12: 23
    11
    Not just soldiers will be returning, but witnesses. Armenia is a small state, the population is almost two times less than ours in many regions and territories. As elsewhere in the army, fellow countrymen from the same region, city, town, village all at once find their own, communicate, follow the fate of each other.
    Each returning serviceman and volunteer will tell who died, where he died and how he died. And the Armenian Defense Ministry and Pashinyan clearly underestimate the losses and significantly, the 2300 declared by the Armenian Ministry of Health are about nothing, at best half, at worst a third or so. The discovery of such information, the picture of losses among the population and the lies of the authorities, will be worse than an atomic bomb. And Pashinyan not only needs to hold out in power, since he has undertaken obligations, but also to try to transfer power to the next maggot, the Americans will not allow him to stupidly leave, then he will have no place either in Armenia or beyond the hill of the amers in his bosom.
  8. bar
    bar 16 November 2020 12: 25
    +3
    "The war is over, why are the soldiers not at home"

    Because the figures of real losses differ many times from the official ones. Experts talk about 20+ thousand in total from both sides. The defending Armenians are certainly fewer than the advancing Azerbaijanis, but not two thousand, as officials in Armenia say.
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT 16 November 2020 12: 28
    +2
    If they are dismissed to their homes, then the Pashinyan Caudle will be raised on bayonets
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 November 2020 12: 54
    -6
    A peacekeeping group of military men from Russia was attacked by the Artsakh army, which organized an ambush in advance. This happened during the patrolling of the conflict zone by Russian peacekeepers.
    Source: https://infosmi.net/events/186522-v-karabahe-byli-atakovany-voennye-mirotvortsy-iz-rossii/
    1. MTN
      MTN 16 November 2020 12: 58
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      A peacekeeping group of military men from Russia was attacked by the Artsakh army, which organized an ambush in advance. This happened during the patrolling of the conflict zone by Russian peacekeepers.

      I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. If they sold weapons to pro-Turkish militants, then anything can be expected from them.
    2. iouris
      iouris 16 November 2020 13: 33
      0
      Are these messages officially confirmed?
      I pointed out the possibility of such a development of the process when it was announced that the "peacekeepers" would be brought in. What "Armenian troops" are going to withdraw? They're not there. And volunteers may not obey. After a harsh ideological treatment of the electorate, he perceives this whole story as the result of a conspiracy by the Russian Federation, and not as a natural result of Pashinyan's policy and those who are behind him. And who is behind it?
      Pashinyan is leading the way towards just such a development. The goal of the war, which was unleashed by the ruling circles of Armenia and Azerbaijan, is to inflict a geopolitical defeat on the Russian Federation in the Transcaucasus. Inflicted. Now this is the "Middle East". And in the Middle East, Britain is the hegemon. Congratulations to everyone involved. And who is involved?
      Let me remind you that Moscow dissolved the USSR in order to join Europe. I would like to ask: is everything going according to plan?
      1. X-factor
        X-factor 17 November 2020 10: 39
        -1
        It was Russia that won this war. She regained control over Armenia, got levers of pressure on Azerbaijan, created her own military base on the territory of Azerbaijan, showed by the example of Armenia all post-Soviet countries with whom they need to be friends, and also received information about the Turkish military industry. And most importantly, the whole world began to say that France could not stop the war, the United States could not, but Russia could.
  11. Lptsk
    Lptsk 16 November 2020 13: 12
    0
    Quote: Jager
    Strange war

    Interesting. Minimum. They took half, then the bottom.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 16 November 2020 13: 29
      +2
      Lptsk (Novel)
      Aliyev is definitely not a stupid person. If he took all of Karabakh, he would be accused of genocide. Genocide is not only the destruction of people, but the deprivation of their homes.
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 November 2020 14: 02
    -4
    Pashinyan writes a letter to Macron from the front, and so his line runs in the kitchen of the residence of the Washington ambassador in Yerevan and it seems that he has nothing to write ... the eccentric fighter of the Tashkent laughing Of the Yerevan front Nikolo on the letter P. a piece of blank paper, scorched the edges with a lighter and began: "Hello, Gerontophil Makron'nyan, the son of a mother giving birth to people like We are idiots. I am writing to you from a burning Azerbaijani tank of the Turks / (missed by the censorship ....., sorry for the uneven handwriting, as I write on the back of a missing sexual partner and hot steel is dripping to all of us by the collar of a burning tank tower ... "
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 16 November 2020 14: 30
      0
      Gennady Fomkin
      Not funny. War is not fun.
  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 November 2020 14: 07
    +1
    Pashinyan is a Soros fosterling - he is neither an economist, nor a military man, nor a builder, nor a scientist - why do Armenians need him?

    We have the same politicians in power.
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 November 2020 14: 38
    +2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Gennady Fomkin
    Not funny. War is not fun.

    Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan called on the military to return from Nagorno-Karabakh to Yerevan and resolve the issue of "whining under the walls" of the protesters.
    “I watched dozens of video footage of military personnel from the front line. Struck by the thoughtfulness of the guys. You guys are right. I am waiting for you in Yerevan to finally resolve the issues with the whining under the walls, ”Pashinyan said on Facebook. Is it funny to YOU? Let them look for these deserters in the hideouts and diasporas. To die for Great Armenia for free - only a few thousand fools were found. Now it is openly said that Russia from the first days of the aggression of Azerbaijan and Turkey offered and provided all kinds of assistance: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/15084, all questions in this short video. But Pashinyan had no time for Armenia, he hung on the phone, communicated with American curators. In our country, a huge diaspora lives - they build cafes, shops, houses for themselves, buy expensive cars.

    They sneezed at this Armenia
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  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 November 2020 14: 49
    0
    Pashinyan violated the traditional rule of power: if you participate in "something" dubious - SILENCE!
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 16 November 2020 15: 16
    0
    The process of returning the servicemen home can be resolved only after the settlement of the Karabakh issue, and now there is just a pause in hostilities ................
    1. X-factor
      X-factor 17 November 2020 10: 43
      -1
      And what is there to decide? Armenians will live on the territory of Azerbaijan under the laws of the copyright holder and under his flag. And in the next 10 years they will work for the government to recover material damage in the amount of $ 50 billion.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 17 November 2020 12: 00
        0
        Quote: X-factor
        And what is there to decide? Armenians will live on the territory of Azerbaijan under the laws of the copyright holder and under his flag.

        Azerbaijan did not receive Karabakh completely
        Quote: X-factor
        ... And in the next 10 years they will work for the government to recover material damage in the amount of $ 50 billion.

        Do not make me laugh
        1. X-factor
          X-factor 17 November 2020 12: 30
          -1
          Who said he didn't get it? I got it, the refugees will move there and the Russian peacekeepers will make sure that there are no riots there. In Karabakh itself, there will not be more than one Armenian soldier, the Russians will mix them up, Azerbaijani soldiers will stand around it, the Azerbaijani police will work on the territory of Karabakh. Armenians are allowed to live there peacefully. And about 50 million it’s not a joke .... Everything that was destroyed and taken away, everything that was taken away by the tree, everything that it got from the ground, now Yerevan will have to pay for everything.
  18. Old26
    Old26 16 November 2020 18: 29
    +3
    Quote: Temples
    Strange ...
    After all, the Army of Armenia did not officially fight with Azerbaijan.

    Then what are the statements of the Armenian Defense Ministry?

    According to the official version of the Armenian Defense Ministry, who and where should return if the Armenian army was not in the war in Karabakh?

    This is how they are "spoken". It is one thing when everyone understands perfectly well that the armed forces of Armenia and the NKR Defense Army are one and the same thing, it is quite another when they are officially "talking out". Part of the losses of Armenia could have been only with the participation of the Armenian Armed Forces in this war (destruction of the S-300, "Tochka" in particular)

    Quote: Old Tanker
    How many Armenian bodies did the Azerbaijanis throw into the sea from the Mi-26?

    https://youtu.be/kr-1PhT6Jvo

    Sergei! Yesterday, EMNIP posted a video of either 2015 or 2018 about the mass drop of athletes-parachutists. In the video "body drops" the color was removed. The very same plot ("falling bodies") is indistinguishable from one another. This is the first thing.
    Second. The Azerbaijani Air Force does not have MI-26 helicopters. According to open data, they have
    26 MI-24
    20+ MI7
    1 Bell-412
    3 KA-32
    13 MI-8
    7 MI-2 (Polish-built). so it's pure fake. I'm not talking about the delusion of documenting such an event ...
  19. atalef
    atalef 17 November 2020 10: 47
    0
    Why did the agreement on peace and the withdrawal of troops from Karabakh come into force on November 10, and the soldiers still have not returned home?

    But what about the statement that the Armenian army did not take part in the hostilities?