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Iran struck adjacent territory after militants attempted to break through the border

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For the first time in recent years, the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) was involved in a counter-terrorist operation in the northwest of the country. In this region, Iran borders with Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan.


As you know, during the escalation of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, ammunition repeatedly fell on Iranian territory. It was also reported (including by official Russian representatives) about the presence of militants transferred to the region from the Syrian Arab Republic through Turkey.

An Iranian source reported that the IRGC launched an artillery attack on clusters of militants near the northwestern borders. Moreover, an important fact is that the IRGC's artillery struck, according to the ISNA information service, "on the adjacent territory."


It is not reported which specific state is in question from the bordering Iran. But it is reported that the militants tried to break into Iranian territory.

The blow came after Iran's border troops suffered losses last Friday in a clash with militants - three dead and two wounded border guards. According to the Tasnim agency, the terrorists tried to break through the border in the north-west of the country in a large group.

Earlier, Tehran stated that if the threat to Iran persists and if "at least one more shell explodes on Iranian territory," then a blow will be struck. It turns out that Tehran kept its promises.
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  1. Nychego
    Nychego 15 November 2020 07: 15
    34
    Iran is the most likely next target of Erdogan's expansion. yes
    But the fish, frankly, is very large - as if this Turkish muddy fisherwoman does not overstrain herself.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 15 November 2020 07: 20
      37
      Iran is a historical counterbalance to Turkey. Erdogan without NATO - Definitely too tough. The Iranians promptly responded, well done. good
      Interestingly, on the territory of which state did the Persians strike?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 15 November 2020 07: 54
        -6
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Iran is a historical counterbalance to Turkey. Erdogan without NATO - Definitely too tough. The Iranians promptly responded, well done. good
        Interestingly, on the territory of which state did the Persians strike?

        Good morning, Aleksey! hi The Turks can defeat the Persians in some kind of border battle - they have technological superiority + they know how to fight. A full-scale war will not be pulled economically, although it will ruin Iran too.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 November 2020 08: 00
          22
          Quote: Krasnodar

          Good morning, Aleksey! hi The Turks can defeat the Persians in some kind of border battle - they have technological superiority + they know how to fight. A full-scale war will not be pulled economically, although it will ruin Iran too.

          Good morning Albert hi The Persians are clearly leading in terms of the quantity and quality of missile weapons, so a border battle will come back to haunt Ankara and other large Turkish cities. I think Erdogan is definitely not a suicide.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 15 November 2020 08: 08
            -9
            If the Persians go to the "war of cities", then this is a full-scale war, fraught with the loss of the territories populated by Azerbaijanis by Iran, strikes by the Turkish Air Force on the oil industry, etc. The people rallied around Erdogan - moreover, this will save him in the same way as the Iraqi invasion helped Khomeini stay in power. hi
            1. sav
              sav 15 November 2020 08: 19
              20
              Good morning hi I understand you do not like the Iranians ... But Iran can also hit the oil infrastructure, bases, including from UAVs. Another question is whether Turkey and Iran will get involved in the war? I think that neither one nor the other will aggravate.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 November 2020 08: 29
                0
                Good morning! hi Iran may well hit the industry and the army - I agree. The war is not very beneficial for both of them now - I also agree. But we are considering the possibilities - hypothetically)).
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 15 November 2020 16: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  Interestingly, on the territory of which state did the Persians strike?

                  Yes, it is not so much interesting over whose territory (there is now everyone where they can roam, regardless of the border), as ABOUT WHOM.
                  Whose militants were trying to break through Iran?
                  Most likely, terrorists brought in by Turkey. Although the Armenians could also try to go out to their own, bypassing the Azerbaijanis.
                  1. Nasdaq
                    Nasdaq 15 November 2020 17: 02
                    +1
                    Although the Armenians could also try to go out to their own, bypassing the Azerbaijanis.

                    This is highly unlikely. There have been no Armenian forces near the Iranian border for a couple of weeks.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 15 November 2020 19: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Nasdaq
                      This is highly unlikely. There have been no Armenian forces near the Iranian border for a couple of weeks.

                      The fact that this is the "deep" rear of the Azerbaijanis, on the contrary, increases the chances of an attempt by a sabotage unit to return to their own through Iran. It might have seemed easier to them.
                      But still, I am more inclined to the version of terrorists brought in by Turkey.
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 09: 58
              +8
              Quote: Krasnodar
              People rallied around Erdogan

              strikes by the Turkish air force

              Have you studied the question of what is the Turkish Air Force? I will disappoint you. Pieces of 30 blocks 50+ from modern b-m, the rest is all ancient. Jews already write off the 52nd blocks by the way. And Iran also has enough drones.
              + know how to fight.

              And How?? When was the last time you won a major war?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 November 2020 10: 51
                +2
                The Turkish Air Force is in any case more modern and more effective than its Iranian counterparts, and the last time a serious war, in principle, was fought:
                States in Iraq
                Brit for the Falklands
                Israelis grappling with the Syrians in Lebanon
                The rest is the fight against terror or the pacification of the Third World countries with much larger forces.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 15 November 2020 16: 24
                +1
                "And how? When was the last time you won a serious war?" ///
                ----
                A week ago. In Karabakh.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 16: 31
                  +4
                  Shaw again? Are you a clown?
                  And what about the Turks? Aliev on your pathetic yap? And the Azerbaijanis, in principle, are inept? Duck like no. Let the problem be solved at the cost of serious losses. And it is these losses that indicate that we were bumping and learning ourselves ... And weapons were supplied to Aliyev by the Russian Federation, Israel, and yes by the Turks.
              3. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 16 November 2020 18: 55
                +1
                If the Turks know how to fight, then the Persians, at least not worse. They, too, are fighting a little bit everywhere. In addition to problems with aircraft, Turkish aviation has serious problems with pilots, or rather their absence. Since the 2016 coup, the Air Force has suffered even more. So in the Turkey: Iran match, I'll bet on the Persians.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 16 November 2020 20: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Uretsk aviation, in addition to problems with aircraft, has serious problems with pilots, or rather their absence. Since the 2016 coup, the Air Force has suffered even more. So in the Turkey: Iran match, I'll bet on the Persians.


                  A lot of flight personnel fell under political cleansing, according to rumors - about 30 percent of the pilots remained. The rest of the sides began to be preserved
            3. hydrox
              hydrox 15 November 2020 13: 28
              +1
              Yeah, it will rally, but so tightly that when it parted, we would see the Sultan suffocated in his arms - the Sultan's internal political situation is not at all rosy + lyre is falling = merchants, having not received the Germans and Russians (more than half of the usual) during the service season, are very unhappy results, and then NG breaks off Russia ...
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 16 November 2020 19: 13
                +1
                Yes, Erdik's position is worse than the governor's, so for him personally there is little good.
        2. Hermit21
          Hermit21 15 November 2020 09: 06
          +4
          know how to fight


          In which of the parallel universes?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 15 November 2020 09: 11
            -7
            Quote: Hermit21
            know how to fight


            In which of the parallel universes?

            Syria, for example))
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 09: 59
              +4
              And they fought there?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 November 2020 10: 54
                +3
                No, it was the barmalei Bayraktars and Turkish artillery that stopped the Syrian offensive, firing from time to time with F-16s laughing
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 14: 35
                  +2
                  It was not the Turks who stopped. On the third day, the Turks ended the desire to use aviation, primarily unmanned aircraft, and the emerging Syrian art began to beat at them, but this is not nearly the main thing. Stopped by exactly one factor - the Bosphorus. And, for example, the first Chechen one where the separatists had quite an adequate army with standard weapons and equipment from the OVA warehouses, it is somehow not even appropriate to compare it with the sluggish self-satisfaction of the Turks in Kurdistan, perhaps ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 15 November 2020 14: 39
                    +1
                    I do not know such subtleties - a picture of the work of drones and from drones
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 14: 47
                      +2
                      You don’t understand that the Turks are on the verge of a foul having at the same time graters with both the RF, and the Franks and the Greeks, and cards (playing) with a trump six, or seven at the most. Painfully familiar layouts aren't they? We can say traditional for them.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 15 November 2020 14: 50
                        +3
                        I agree that Erdogan is a populist and tyrant. But we talked about whether the Turks know how to fight laughing
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 15: 28
                        +3
                        But we talked about whether the Turks know how to fight

                        Perhaps better than the Arabs, and that's not a fact.
                        And the Arabs fought back in earnest with the Jews, and even when they lost, they caused serious damage. Another question I still don't understand why the hell did we get into that mess ?! The maximum in my opinion was to interfere with the plans of the Britt in 1956, and leave everything to chance. You see, in Karabakh, it was not the Turks who did well, but the Jews, hehe - wherever you spit. Orbiters and, for sure, the AO's automated control system were delivered to them for adjusting and controlling the fire of arty and missile personnel. Harpies. Which were used to defeat such important targets as, for example, the Tor-2M, which was struck when he rolled the antennas into the box. Three hundred. Etc.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 15 November 2020 16: 32
                        +1
                        Arabs are also strife with Arabs - in Chechnya they were considered quite professional fighters.
                        They got into this mess for the same reason as the Americans - to squeeze out the remnants of British and French influence in the oil-bearing region, not to mention the presence in the Mediterranean.
                        Also, mortars with missile defense systems, located by GPS. hi
  2. Nychego
    Nychego 15 November 2020 08: 19
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Erdogan without NATO - Definitely too tough.

    At the very least, the US will support almost anyone who will help "crush the Iranian regime."
    They now have at least three reasons:
    - Strait of Hormuz;
    - "blow to Iran - blow to China" (recall the very recent Sino-Iranian pact);
    - Democrats, regardless of Biden's longevity, will want to win in the next elections, and the "democratic recipe" for such a victory has long been known - "a small victorious war", albeit not very small this time, but basically there is a hope to turn things off with someone else ...

    There are also Saudis who understand that Kuwait will be here for a long time, while Iran is playing along with the Rabels. Plus there is also religious confrontation.

    Well, Israel can help a little - the Iranians in Syria, to put it mildly, are very unpleasant for them.

    Pakistan may turn out to be the "cherry on the cake", although it is in doubt - too strong a bond with China, but why not try the packs from the Chinese to try to distance them?
    1. Guru
      Guru 15 November 2020 09: 59
      -7
      Pakistan may be the cherry on top
      Pakistan is a nuclear power, what a cherry on top.
      too strong a bond with China,
      What kind of bow? From the beginning of the history of Pakistan, study then write posts. Pakistan-USA is a bow. And China got there (in Pakistan) with the permission of the United States.
      Study the question in essence, and then write your violent fantasies.
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 15 November 2020 11: 09
      0
      Quote: Nychego
      Is there no reason to try packs from the Chinese to try to move them away?

      To demand something from the Chinese would be a serious mistake for Pakistan.
  3. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 15 November 2020 16: 59
    +2
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Iran is a historical counterbalance to Turkey. Erdogan without NATO - Definitely too tough. The Iranians promptly responded, well done. good
    Interestingly, on the territory of which state did the Persians strike?

    Most likely along the southern flank of the former Karabakh security belt, which was recaptured by the Azerbaijanis. The Armenians lost these territories, so the Idlib barmaley most likely were there.
  4. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 15 November 2020 18: 30
    -1
    "I wonder which state territory the Persians struck at?" - that something does not come to mind except Iraq. The Turks would have inserted a good piston for themselves and for Azerbaijan, there are no anti-Iranian militants in Armenia. In Iraq, the Mujahideen and Fidains of the Iranian people were based in due time, but the Persians, most likely, have already massacred them. The Kurds remain. They just live at the junction of Turkey, Iraq and Iran and are fighting both the Turks and the Persians, and partially, with the Iraqis.
  5. keeper03
    keeper03 16 November 2020 08: 53
    +1
    At least someone holds the word in our shameless age! good
  • mark1
    mark1 15 November 2020 07: 22
    +7
    What does Iran have to do with the Turks? To expand there, you need a good rationale (but there is none) and a lot of arrogance (it really is), and the return both directly and in the form of support for the Kurds will torment
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 November 2020 07: 28
      16
      It is dangerous for Erdogan to even breathe towards Iran. Iran is not Armenia or Azerbaijan, and certainly not the Outskirts. Iran is a state with a fully combat-ready army.
      1. Nychego
        Nychego 15 November 2020 08: 32
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        It is dangerous for Erdogan to even breathe towards Iran.

        I-Idlib. I suspect quite a few Iranians went to commune with their god as a result of the Turkish attacks.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 10: 00
          10
          I saw a photo of burnt Turkish M60s. But with the confirmation of Turkish successes, as usual - muddy cartoons
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 15 November 2020 07: 29
      +8
      Quote: mark1
      What does Iran have to do with the Turks? To expand there, you need a good rationale (but there is none) and a lot of arrogance (it really is), and the return both directly and in the form of support for the Kurds will torment

      Azerbaijanis are the second ethnic group after Persians living in Iran. According to various estimates, the number of Iranian Azerbaijanis is up to 30 million people. The only question is religion, Azerbaijanis are Shiites, in contrast to the Turks are Sunnis.
      1. mark1
        mark1 15 November 2020 07: 41
        +4
        This will just be from the category of great impudence (as well as attempts to get into our Tatarstan), the best cure for which could be the Kurds.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 15 November 2020 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        According to various estimates, the number of Iranian Azerbaijanis is up to 30 million people

        According to others, there are more than 15 million Azerbaijanis in Iran.
        But Turkey is also heterogeneous. According to various estimates, the Kurds there are from 10 to 20 million, and there are also a number of peoples (Circassians, Crimean Tatars, Arabs, Albanians, Greeks and others), whose number exceeds 1 million each. There are about 0,8 million Azerbaijanis in Turkey. There are slightly more than Roma.
      3. Eragon
        Eragon 15 November 2020 12: 12
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        The only question is religion, Azerbaijanis are Shiites, in contrast to the Turks are Sunnis.

        You yourself answered your own question. In Karabakh, Muslims help Muslims against Christians. It's clear. And in Iran the question will become as if, for example, Catholics invaded the Orthodox. Regardless of nationality, co-religionists will stand shoulder to shoulder against the gentiles.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 November 2020 12: 17
          +3
          Quote: Eragon

          You yourself answered your own question. In Karabakh, Muslims help Muslims against Christians. It's clear. And in Iran the question will become as if, for example, Catholics invaded the Orthodox. Regardless of nationality, co-religionists will stand shoulder to shoulder against the gentiles.

          Actually, he pursued this goal. Although the question was asked from a different angle ... what might interest the Turks in Iran. To interest that is what, only with this interest to the Turks - Kirdyk! And, mind you, not with our hands. Aliyev has an iron position. He definitely has where to retreat, and under whose wing to dive. hi
        2. grindz
          grindz 15 November 2020 13: 09
          -1
          Exactly, exactly! Bulgarians won't let you lie! In all wars they entered into an alliance with the opponents of Russia. And like co-religionists.
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 16 November 2020 07: 15
            +1
            Quote: grindz
            Exactly, exactly! Bulgarians won't let you lie! In all wars they entered into an alliance with the opponents of Russia. And like co-religionists.

            But the interesting point is that they never fought. And in Europe, wars involving a religious sign ended many centuries ago. Outgrown. And Islam, which is younger, is not yet.
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 12: 16
        +6
        Both Azerbaijanis and Persians are Shiites ....... At the same time, Azerbaijanis are fully incorporated into the top elite of Iran.

        territories populated by Azerbaijanis,


        Are Iranian Azerbaijanis really lovers of Turks?

        Or is your Völkischer Beobachter telling you so?
    3. Nychego
      Nychego 15 November 2020 07: 42
      +3
      Quote: mark1
      To expand there, you need a good justification (but it is not)

      Well, Erdi now has the brand "two peoples, one nation", but to make up claims from Azerbaijan to Iran, in which there are 35 million ai-zers, it is possible for Khorosan itself. Again, there are always offended and nonconformists, and for a little money and a lot of promises, some of them can be given separatist aspirations. Yes, and there would be a desire ... and there, as Krylov wrote, developing La Fontaine's thoughts, "you are to blame for the fact that I want to eat."
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 10: 02
        +7
        Quote: Nychego
        "two peoples one nation"


        On the contrary. And yes, only Erdi declares in a whisper - one Sultan. They say Aliyev heard him
    4. Errr
      Errr 15 November 2020 07: 50
      +6
      Quote: mark1
      What does Iran have to do with the Turks? To expand there, you need a good justification (but it is not)
      Still as it is! This is the so-called South Azerbaijan.
      1. Bully
        Bully 15 November 2020 10: 00
        11
        This is the so-called South Azerbaijan

        A question of terminology. After all, you can call Azerbaijan the northern Iran, right?
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        2. grindz
          grindz 15 November 2020 13: 11
          +2
          Quote: Bully
          This is the so-called South Azerbaijan

          A question of terminology. After all, you can call Azerbaijan the northern Iran, right?

          So, in principle, it was. In place of Azerbaijan, there are a bunch of small khanates under the vassals of Persia. It's time to remember your roots :-)
        3. Errr
          Errr 15 November 2020 13: 22
          0
          Quote: Bully
          After all, you can also call Azerbaijan northern Iran, right?
          This is no longer the case And if you mean the Achaemenid Empire, it was so long ago that it is difficult to remember. At that time, indeed, northern Iran was immeasurable - from the Balkans to Balkhash. Only after all this Iranian-imperial history in those parts (in Azerbaijan smile ) for almost a thousand years (since the time of the Seljuk invasion) the Turks have been living.
    5. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 November 2020 07: 56
      -3
      Oppression of the Azeri Turks in the North of Iran, for example. There are tens of millions of them.
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 15 November 2020 07: 32
    +5
    And where did you get this? If you believe Erdogan himself, then his next goal is Crimea. And if you don’t believe, then you can estimate the probabilities. How many times the Turks fought with Iran and how many - with Russia.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 15 November 2020 07: 42
      +6
      Quote: Artavazdych
      And where did you get this? If you believe Erdogan himself, then his next goal is Crimea. And if you don’t believe, then you can estimate the probabilities. How many times the Turks fought with Iran and how many - with Russia.

      The numbers themselves are quite comparable. The Turks fought the Persians nine times, and Russia twelve times. The results of these wars are only very different ... fighting with Russia, the Turks have always lost territory and influence in the region and the world. I doubt very much that they will try to risk it again.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 15 November 2020 07: 51
        -7
        With Russia not 12 times, but more. And, judging by the increased activity of the "brothers" - the Turks from the Caucasus to Kazan, I ... will not argue with you.
        These lads will be slammed in Iran. And in Russia they are eagerly awaiting in many places.
      2. gsev
        gsev 15 November 2020 10: 37
        -5
        Quote: Hunter 2
        I doubt very much that they will try to risk it again.

        This time the probability is high. The Turks will supply Ukraine with weapons for 100% payment. In the event of any outcome of the war in the South-East of Ukraine, Turkey will acquire one dividend. Both Ukraine and Russia, as a result of the war or in the course of preparation for it, will be weakened and in the future it will be easier to introduce them into the sphere of Turkish influence. The price of the issue for Turkey is the death of several military specialists and losses among the Crimean Tatar units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU loyal to Turkey. I think that the Turks will demand, for the supply of their drones, Ukraine's refusal to use the Crimean Tatar units in the first echelon of the advancing troops, and will only allow their use in the occupied territory of the DPR and LPR to clean up the population and send them to concentration camps.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 November 2020 10: 45
          +5
          Well, the significance of the Crimean Tatar units is greatly exaggerated. They live quietly in the Russian Crimea and are definitely not going to fight, with the exception of a certain number of paid radicals, whom their fellow tribesmen consider traitors.
          1. gsev
            gsev 15 November 2020 10: 50
            -1
            Quote: Hunter 2
            with the exception of a certain number of paid radicals, whom their fellow tribesmen consider traitors.

            Crimean Tatars also live in Ukraine. And there the SBU is trying to create special forces from them. In principle, for the Crimean Tatars in Ukraine there are no other prospects for prosperity, except for serving in punitive battalions. This is the policy of the state.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 15 November 2020 11: 00
              +1
              The number of Crimean Tatars in Ukraine is no more than 10 thousand people, mainly living in the Kherson region. What can be created from such a number, a company? There are more people living in Uzbekistan, up to 90 thousand.
              More dangerous is the number of Crimean Tatars that live in Turkey itself, according to various estimates there are several million of them, but again these are not purely Crimean Tatars, but all the descendants of immigrants from Crimea.
              1. gsev
                gsev 15 November 2020 17: 21
                +2
                Quote: Hunter 2
                More dangerous is the number of Crimean Tatars that live in Turkey itself,

                These Crimean Tatars are Turkified. In the 80s of the last century in Turkey, children were only allowed to give literary Turkish names. The opposite could be achieved only through the ECHR with the imprisonment of the child's father in a Turkish family. Crimean Tatars in Crimea received the right to primary education for children at public expense. And no one is now stopping them from printing books in their native language.
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 15 November 2020 13: 10
          0
          Quote: gsev
          Both Ukraine and Russia will be weakened as a result of the war or in preparation for it
          Not every strange statement is a thesis; sometimes it's just nonsense. How much weaker did the USSR become as a result of the Second World War or in preparation for it?
          1. gsev
            gsev 15 November 2020 17: 23
            0
            Quote: sniperino
            How much weaker did the USSR become as a result of the Second World War or in preparation for it?

            Demographics and agriculture have never been revived after these events. Mostly people from Central Asia work in modern agricultural industries.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 15 November 2020 19: 56
              0
              Quote: gsev
              Demographics and agriculture never recovered
              Doubtful justification for the thesis. And the fact that the USSR after the war became one of the two world leaders, expanded its territory, built a socialist camp, implemented space and other programs - is that nothing at all?
              1. gsev
                gsev 15 November 2020 21: 16
                0
                Quote: sniperino
                is it about nothing?

                In the 1980s, it became clear that either the USSR would collapse or become a large Uzbekistan. In principle, if nothing changes in 30 years in Moscow, the majority of its inhabitants under 30 will be Muslims. Although, before collectivization, Russian families were quite numerous, so the disrupted demographics probably outweighs the advances in technology and diplomacy of the Khrushchev era, and the military victories of the Stalin era and the gains as a result of these victories.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 15 November 2020 21: 19
                  -2
                  Quote: gsev
                  impaired demography
                  Are you talking about 20 million dead?
                  1. gsev
                    gsev 15 November 2020 21: 38
                    0
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Are you talking about 20 million dead?

                    In addition to this, the victims of collectivization, the famine of 33 and 47, the transfer of millions of men to work away from their families, the lack of housing for young families before the start of panel construction under Khrushchev, the death of the most hardworking in exile, the imprisonment of all talented aircraft designers, the forced resettlement of entire nations.
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 16 November 2020 09: 27
                      -1
                      Quote: gsev
                      Besides
                      It all has something to do with the statement
                      Both Ukraine and Russia will be weakened as a result of the war or in preparation for it
                      ? For communication, you need at least an alternative list of possible losses of Russia, not ready for war and losing it. The concept of overvoltage is understandable, only the Americans already wanted the tension and weakening of the USSR and Germany, feeding Hitler, but with regard to the USSR they received the exact opposite result. Ukraine is not Germany in the technical, economic and moral and psychological terms of readiness to fight with Russia. 2% of those stoned there will not make the weather. In addition, the Russian Federation has been preparing for war since the beginning of the 21st century. Result: became stronger, less dependent and returned to the category of a superpower. Erdogan needs to worry not about expansion to the northeast, but about not losing the Bosphorus and Constantinople by accident: we can remember that we are the Third Rome.
        3. Bessik
          Bessik 15 November 2020 15: 13
          0
          There are still those wars from the Crimean Tatars), however, as well as from the Turks
          1. gsev
            gsev 15 November 2020 17: 31
            0
            Quote: Bessik
            From the Crimean Tatars those wars

            A friend of the Crimean Tatar's granddaughters at the age of 6 played with a pneumatic gun and broke off the fly. Grandfather put optics on air within 6 days. Before Catherine the Great, the Tatars from Crimea constantly went to Russia, Poland, Circassia and took prisoners out of there for the entire Mediterranean. In the history of Italian architecture, it is noted that the abundance of captives from Eastern Europe influenced the architecture in Italian cities.
    2. Nychego
      Nychego 15 November 2020 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: Artavazdych
      If you believe Erdogan himself, then his next goal is Crimea.

      It's good to talk about Crimea, but trying to grab it from the still strong Russia, all the more so to squeeze it out in favor of some "New Crimean Khanate", this, again for now, will become very painful and almost unrealistic.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 15 November 2020 09: 59
        -8
        I only quoted his words.
        On the other hand, the Turks have a lot of sympathizers throughout Russia, including the Crimean Tatars. Two thousand Syrian militants (according to Naryshkin and Lavrov) get from Azerbaijan to the North Caucasus is a piece of cake. And there the horizons will expand to Ufa and Kazan. Was it in vain that local local leaders received an "education" in Ankara?
        And the second channel is Donbass. There is now building up ykp. groupings. Zelensky's frequent "friendly" visits to the Turks and vice versa.
        I wonder how many bairaktars did the Turks give to the Ukrainian people?
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 15 November 2020 10: 32
          +1
          Quote: Artavazdych
          getting from Azerbaijan to the North Caucasus is a piece of cake. And there the horizons will expand to Ufa and Kazan.

          Well, the horizons there are more geological expanding - in the sense in which the remains will be buried.
        2. no one
          no one 15 November 2020 11: 03
          -2
          Actually, Lavrov and Naryshkin did not specify which country they were in. Even after the proposal, tell the ambassador of Azerbaijan
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 15 November 2020 14: 42
            +1
            People are serious and do not rush with words in vain. What does some Azeri ambassador have to do with it? Well, they did not consider it necessary to report to him
            1. no one
              no one 15 November 2020 18: 40
              -4
              So no one says that they are lying. The ambassador asks them to openly say which side they are fighting on. Because a lot of terrorists from the PKK came to Armenia. If you say A, then you have to say B. Ato serious people do not look very serious in this situation
        3. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 12: 21
          +1
          the Turks have a lot of sympathizers throughout Russia


          How much is this much? There are probably some. But the rest - a good Turk, a dead Turk.

          I wonder how many bairaktars did the Turks give to the Ukrainian people?

          We sold 6 at a high price, the Ukrainians have already ditched one ..
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 15 November 2020 14: 56
            -1
            I will repeat it again. In different nat. There are a lot of people in Russia who "studied" in Turkey. These are the directors of all kinds of "centers for the study of Islamic history" and others. And what they, in turn, themselves are now teaching young people somewhere in Naberezhnye Chelny, one can only guess.
            Do you know how many Turkish-Tatar lyceums are in Tatarstan now? Turkish-Bashkir in Bashkiria, and so on? The teachers there are Turks.
            And the fact that they are now being closed en masse only says that "it's too late to drink Borjomi".
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 15: 19
              +2
              Quote: Artavazdych
              says only that "it's too late to drink Borjomi".


              Better late than never. Ts.
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 15 November 2020 15: 27
                -2
                War will show
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 15 November 2020 10: 58
        +1
        To be honest, lately, Erdogan's mental abilities have given me strong doubts. Having so many enemies, make yourself more?))) At a meeting with Bandero - prez Zenelokh, he agreed that Crimea is not Russian or Ukrainian, but Turkish))))
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 November 2020 08: 13
    +4
    Iran is the most likely next target of Erdogan's expansion. 

    This "goal" itself can give Turkey so that the "sultan" will lose everything .. Small provocations, clashes on the border - it will be. But in an open confrontation, the Turks have no chance. Iranians are more motivated to fight than Turks.
    1. Nychego
      Nychego 15 November 2020 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      This "goal" can itself give Turkey so that the "sultan" will lose everything ..

      Can. I am writing about this that Erdi has a chance to break off.
      Quote: Doccor18
      But in an open confrontation, the Turks have no chance.

      At the very least, it will be delayed and cost terribly for Turkey.
      Hence the conclusion, which is quite obvious for the Turks: "to start making friends with missiles" should be at least unexpectedly and with the support of powerful allies. It’s great if your counterpart at this moment still has high-quality internal troubles in the economy, politics and society. It's great if the "paroxysm of friendship" happens during the transit of power, naturally not in your country.
  • Crabong
    Crabong 15 November 2020 09: 31
    +1
    No. You are wrong. And you are so mistaken that I think that you generally do not understand anything ...
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 November 2020 10: 55
    0
    I think that Iran now, and in the near future, is too tough for Erdogan. But the "provocation" of the Persians had to be arranged a little earlier, when the Azerbaijanis were sitting in the mountains near Shushi. Then it was possible "in one fell swoop" to solve both the problem of the Khudaferin hydroelectric power station and the reservoir, and the problem of Zap. Azerbaijan.
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 15 November 2020 14: 55
    -1
    Iran is the most likely next target of Erdogan's expansion. yes
    But the fish, frankly, is very large - as if this Turkish muddy fisherwoman does not overstrain herself.

    It seems to me that these will not work. They bang the uncle and that's it.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 November 2020 17: 25
    0
    Quote: Nychego
    Iran most likely next target of Erdogan's expansion

    Hardly. Rather, we can expect fuss with the surrounding Turks
  • businessv
    businessv 15 November 2020 21: 27
    -1
    Quote: Nychego
    But the fish, frankly, is very large - as if this Turkish muddy fisherwoman does not overstrain herself.

    There are all the prerequisites for this - the Turkish lira is falling, tourism, which brings a solid income, is in the corral, capital is fleeing from the country. And Erdogan's authority in Europe is below the floor.
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 15 November 2020 07: 17
    0
    Now they are pushed around and moved north
  • askort154
    askort154 15 November 2020 07: 19
    29
    Bravo, Iran! Only in this way can the state raise its authority, and not with endless verbal "expressions of concern."
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 07: 44
      10
      If an Iranian helicopter were shot down? I can imagine what "concern" Iran would have ... Where to dump a couple of MLRS packages
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 15 November 2020 10: 59
        +1
        I think a couple of packages would not be common)))
      2. no one
        no one 15 November 2020 11: 01
        -5
        Iran should have been silent in this regard at all. Since he shot down a passenger plane. By your logic, Iran had to be razed to the ground for this to all countries whose citizens died there
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 15: 32
        +1
        I personally have more complaints, as in the cases with Peshkov and Fillipov, against the staff officers .......... Why did the turntable work alone near the border at the time of the ongoing war? Shaw again did not think ?! There, at least two were supposed to work and the partner immediately had to work out on the launch site. And after 10 minutes, a pair of IS on duty with NARs and cluster bombs was supposed to work. And it doesn't matter who and from where they fired. They teach us and teach us that everything is going seriously, but it never gets to the table-keepers.
        But it’s stupid to react after the fact. Everything should happen within a maximum of half an hour.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 07: 29
    +8
    From Karabakh, pro-Turkish militants are trying to break through home.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 November 2020 07: 45
    +7
    Earlier, Tehran stated that if the threat to Iran persists and if "at least one more shell explodes on Iranian territory," then a blow will be struck. It turns out that Tehran kept its promises.

    good A man said a man did.
  • Karpo
    Karpo 15 November 2020 07: 49
    +7
    Well done Iranians, they are on the alert! After all, this whole mess was started not only against Russia, but also against Iran, if the conflict had grown!
    What is interesting to Erdogan and Aliyev to say about this? We have nothing to do with, not ours? Oh well
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 15 November 2020 12: 18
      -1
      They will not say anything.
      1. Karpo
        Karpo 15 November 2020 13: 03
        -2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        They will not say anything.

        They clean everything up there quickly .. And Pashinyan, including trying to remove. wink
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 15 November 2020 08: 26
    +1
    Ours are not capable of this
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 15 November 2020 09: 09
      +9
      Attacks on Idlib, from the side of the Aerospace Forces, continue and are of a systemic nature.
      According to information from Syria, on November 13, during these strikes, together with the terrorists at their location, three Turkish military instructors were destroyed.
      1. Karpo
        Karpo 15 November 2020 13: 09
        -3
        Quote: Livonetc
        Attacks on Idlib, from the side of the Aerospace Forces, continue and are of a systemic nature.
        According to information from Syria, on November 13, during these strikes, together with the terrorists at their location, three Turkish military instructors were destroyed.

        The columns of oil tankers need to be soaked! .. Erdogan almost started a world war again
        In general, Kurdistan should be recognized as autonomy in Syria! And to arm Hezbollah, they have been with us for a long time already opposed to the devils and our pilots (shot down by the Turks) were rescued with us and their losses were serious soldier
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 November 2020 08: 30
    +1
    Let's wait and see what happens next, but for now something is unclear. Who, where he was torn, through which border, there are more questions than answers.
    1. Karpo
      Karpo 15 November 2020 13: 11
      -3
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let's wait and see what happens next, but for now something is unclear. Who, where he was torn, through which border, there are more questions than answers.

      The main thing is that they soaked, and then debriefing .. In this, Iran is always clear!
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 15 November 2020 08: 44
    +1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    From Karabakh, pro-Turkish militants are trying to break through home.

    Not home, but to Iran. To arrange a second Syria
    Quote: seregatara1969
    Ours are not capable of this

    Aha. Would express the deepest extreme concern
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 15 November 2020 14: 57
      -1
      Aha. Would express the deepest extreme concern


      If you think that entering the peacekeeping force is a statement of concern, then yes ....
  • Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 15 November 2020 08: 46
    0
    Quote: Artavazdych
    Now they are pushed around and moved north

    to Yerevan? laughing
  • Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 15 November 2020 08: 51
    +9
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Oppression of the Azeri Turks in the North of Iran, for example. There are tens of millions of them.

    "... the mantra about the presence of an" Azerbaijani minority "in Iran, which is supposedly from 20 to 40 million, is widely circulated and promoted from Baku - it is understandable and does not need comments. It is not clear how this statement, the doubtfulness of which is obvious even with a superficial view of the ethno-demographic picture of Iran, is presented by the Russian media as a generally accepted cliché, and sometimes it is put into the mouths of politicians by their advisers. Yes, people on both sides of the Araks - in the Republic of Azerbaijan and the northwestern regions of Iran - speak similar dialects within the limits of comprehension But these are absolutely different ethnic groups. North of the Araks, not counting the Talysh living in their ethnic territory, in Talishistan, from Astara to Jalilabad, the population is represented, so to speak, by the titular citizens of the Republic of Azerbaijan. In the 30th century, representatives of this ethnic group were called “ Caucasian Tatars "," Caucasian Turks "," Caucasian Muslims "or simply" Muslim us ", and since the XNUMXs of the last century, the designation" Azerbaijanis "has officially come into use - after the name of the new state education ......."
    more on
    https://www.kavkazgeoclub.ru/content/kto-takie-azerbaydzhancy-irana-i-skolko-ih?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7241039285
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 15 November 2020 11: 02
      +1
      So if 20-40 million Azerbaijanis live in Iran, is it not easier to join them, those 10 million who live north of the Araks?)))
  • iouris
    iouris 15 November 2020 10: 22
    +2
    Well, don't you see Turkish terrorist fighters? And they are ...
  • no one
    no one 15 November 2020 10: 58
    -3
    Proceeding from the propaganda, everyone suddenly decided that for anybody it was either Azerbaijan or Turkey. And no one thought that it could be Armenia or Iraq, although there are just Kurds and Armenians from the PKK whom Iran considers terrorists and is waging a war
  • Rubina
    Rubina 15 November 2020 10: 59
    -6
    War between Turkey and Iran? This is madness. Those are not fools sitting. And Iran has a very shaky internal position. The people are tired of mullocracy, the Iranians are constantly protesting, in Turkey, on the contrary, there is unity around Erdogan. In the event of a war, which I personally do not believe, there will be unrest within Iran along two lines at once 1. Against the mullocracy 2. The liberation movement of South Azerbaijan. And the West will support Turkey in this case, not Iran. But these are all thorns. There are no fools there.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 15 November 2020 12: 16
      +4
      In Turkey, the situation is no less precarious than in Iran. There, too, many are tired of Erdogan. And the economy has not been going well recently, to put it mildly. Again, the Turkish lira has fallen. In Iran, Azerbaijan will revolt, and in Turkey, Kurdistan. they will rebel against the mulocracy, and in Turkey against Erdogan, who has recently lost elections. So the situation is 50/50.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: Rubina
      in Turkey, on the other hand, there is solidarity around Erdogan.

      There is no cohesion around old Erdi. A huge crowd of people saw him in a coffin and in white slippers.
  • Radius
    Radius 15 November 2020 11: 57
    +1
    there is no need to equate Azerbaijanis with Turks (two countries - one people). They have nothing in common except for the language once introduced by the Turks - no. Ethnically, Azerbaijanis are representatives of either the Nakh-Dagestan peoples or the Persians. Ethnic Turks are in the minority there.
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 November 2020 12: 05
      +1
      Blood issues should not be given such importance. Erdogan is an Adjarian. In an empire, everything is different.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 15 November 2020 20: 15
        -2
        He is not an Ajarian, but a Laz. Adjarians are Georgians, at the moment they are mostly Orthodox, Laz are close to Georgians, but 100% Muslims.
        1. iouris
          iouris 16 November 2020 10: 36
          0
          Okay, laz. What does it change? Azerbaijanis are now Turks, and the empire is not interested in the shades of their religion.
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 17 November 2020 10: 29
            -2
            I disagree. They are also interested. It's just not the time. So far, all brothers, peace, friendship, chewing gum. Only a little later it will become clear that the Azeris are second-class Turks. And the faith is not the same (or rather, it is not there). Aliyev is an atheist, this is clearly seen here, and even more so for the Turks.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 November 2020 11: 58
    0
    Quote: Nychego
    Iran is the most likely next target of Erdogan's expansion. yes
    But the fish, frankly, is very large - as if this Turkish muddy fisherwoman does not overstrain herself.

    laughing Are you serious ? Want is not harmful
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 November 2020 12: 19
    +1
    Quote: Rubina
    War between Turkey and Iran? This is madness. Those are not fools sitting. And Iran has a very shaky internal position. The people are tired of mullocracy, the Iranians are constantly protesting, in Turkey, on the contrary, there is unity around Erdogan. In the event of a war, which I personally do not believe, there will be unrest within Iran along two lines at once 1. Against the mullocracy 2. The liberation movement of South Azerbaijan. And the West will support Turkey in this case, not Iran. But these are all thorns. There are no fools there.

    Iran knows how to wait and knows how to answer. And Erdogan rushes forward. So, as soon as he crosses the red line, he will receive from Iran in full. Despite the official neutrality, the telegram channel of the authoritative Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) no longer hesitates to threaten Ankara with non-diplomatic language.

    "They even wrote:" We know how to deal with your pan-Turkism. "The IRGC is a fairly serious force in Iran both politically and militarily, and after the campaign in Syria, the IRGC's authority has only grown."
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 November 2020 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    If the Persians go to the "war of cities", then this is a full-scale war, fraught with the loss of the territories populated by Azerbaijanis by Iran, strikes by the Turkish Air Force on the oil industry, etc. The people rallied around Erdogan - moreover, this will save him in the same way as the Iraqi invasion helped Khomeini stay in power. hi

    Why should Iran support the Armenians? There are almost more ethnic Azeris there than in Azerbaijan itself. A couple of days ago, I was curious and typed "Iran", "Karabakh" in Googleyandex. So there, basically, there were calls from Iran "guys, let's live together." If Iran supports someone at the state level, all the dogs will be brought down to it. And the volunteers from there will obviously not go to the Armenians. laughing

    Now Aliyev can bargain well with Erdogashka, frightening the Turks with his old rival. They have been fighting each other for more than half a thousand years.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 15 November 2020 15: 14
    0
    It turns out that Tehran kept its promises.

    And he didn't have much options! "Proxies" will have to be disposed of by all neighboring states wink
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 16: 42
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    this mess got in for the same reason as the Americans - to squeeze out the remnants of British and French influence in the oil-bearing region, not to mention the presence in the Mediterranean.


    You could have done everything smarter

    Arabs are also strife with Arabs - in Chechnya they were considered quite professional fighters.

    I meant not as individual fighters, first of all, but as a soldier of a high-tech army
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 15 November 2020 17: 40
    0
    Something nowhere else this info does not pass ...
  • svoit
    svoit 15 November 2020 17: 46
    -2
    Quote: Nychego
    for a little money and a lot of promises, some of them can be given separatist aspirations

    And having absorbed Azerbaijan, Iran will be at our borders ... That's it.
    Quote: ZEMCH
    "Proxies" will have to be disposed of by all neighboring states

    Well, do not pay $ 2000, especially since the lyre is not healthy
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 15 November 2020 20: 24
    -4
    Reading the comments .... I come to the conclusion that you are wrong again, how wrong in your conclusions for forty-four days about the Karbakh war ... firstly, Iran never called either Turkish or Azerbaijani soldiers militants, and secondly, the only one who tried to cross them the border, they were Armenian militants, and the only ones who needed the involvement of third countries in the Karabakh war were the Armenians ... and be sure that having received a couple of shells from Iran, the Armenians swallowed urine that we should not stir up this topic and officially not have another warring neighbor ... believe me if it was Turkish or Azerb. shells were officially declared and publicly apologized from the fraternal or partner side ... and no one is afraid of anyone or feared ... the fraternal war between Timur (Teimurlng) and Bayazi became a lesson for the Turks ... the Turkic world was weakened ... you probably noticed that neither Azerbajan, Turkey nor Pakistan allowed the Americans to place their bases at home for an attack on Iran, and knowing that on this, other or partnership relations would be deteriorated to 0 ..
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 16 November 2020 20: 03
    -1
    Erdogan is an Israeli puppet, and dances 7/40 only on the way. And all this billiberda-pan-Turkism, the new Ottoman empire, the Caliphate and so on for gullible simpletons. Israel is rummaging through their pockets ...
  • Parvis rasulov
    Parvis rasulov 16 November 2020 22: 29
    0
    This fake news and ISNA news agencies are two of them and both did not write this news, I specifically looked for this news in Persian and did not find any other languages. So for information, ISNA (Islamic society of North America) is a news agency for the Islamic Society of North America and it certainly did not write this news ... ISNA Iranian Students News Agency also did not write this news
    dear editors before putting some news, check at first they may be fake
  • chant
    chant 17 November 2020 17: 46
    0
    Let the Turks return Hagia Sophia! Otherwise, you have to get off the couch. The living will envy the dead.