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The crew of the Mi-24 shot down in Armenia awarded the Order of Courage

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The crew of the Mi-24 shot down in Armenia awarded the Order of Courage

The crew members of the Mi-24 helicopter shot down in Armenia were awarded the Order of Courage. The corresponding decree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin. This was reported by the Kremlin press service.


By his decree, Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded the Order of Courage to Senior Lieutenant Vladislav Sergeevich Gryazin, Major Ishuk Yuri Viktorovich (posthumously), and Senior Lieutenant Fedin Roman Vasilyevich (posthumously) for courage, courage and dedication displayed in the performance of military duty,

- said in a statement.

Recall that on November 9, 2020, the Russian Mi-24 helicopter, accompanying the convoy of the 102nd Russian military base through the territory of Armenia, was shot down by a MANPADS missile in the airspace outside the combat zone near the Armenian settlement of Yeraskh near the border of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic. As a result, two crew members were killed and another was injured.


Baku claimed the blame for the incident, stating that the helicopter was shot down by accident. Azerbaijan expressed condolences, apologized to the Russian side and announced its readiness to pay compensation. At the same time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic stressed that this incident was in no way directed against Russia.

Currently, this fact is being investigated by two parties at once, the Ministry of Defense of Russia and Azerbaijan are in constant communication.
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  1. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 14 November 2020 15: 07
    18
    Everlasting memory! My condolences to all family and friends!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 14 November 2020 15: 33
      20
      It won't bring people back. And the PR for their death and the impunity of the murderers is bestiality.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 14 November 2020 15: 54
        11
        Quote: lexus
        It won't bring people back. And the PR for their death and the impunity of the murderers is bestiality.

        This is not PR, but respect for the Russian peacekeepers who fell in battle in the performance of their military duty to protect the interests of Russian national security in the South Caucasus!
        And these are the first and, unfortunately, not the last victims of Russia in this civil war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
        Serving in times of war, establishing peace, one must really have courage!

        Our condolences to the families and friends of the victims who defended the interests of the national security of the Russian Federation in the Caucasus!
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 14 November 2020 15: 59
          +5
          So what is the medal for? Just for being killed?
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 14 November 2020 16: 10
            +8
            Not a medal, but an order.
            For what, look at the statute of the Order of Courage.
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 14 November 2020 16: 44
            10
            Quote: Kronos
            So what is the medal for? Just for being killed?

            diplomat Karlov was given a "hero" in general ... he caught a bullet in the back. a strange "feat" agree?, let's say the order "For Service to the Fatherland" would be appropriate. And for the Pilots, I don’t argue, the families Condolences, guys, flew without any "presidents" and "Vitebsk" promoted, practically along the front line. I think they knew what they were doing, they rest in peace. but the bosses are slagged into underpants forever. so the reward is quite appropriate.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 14 November 2020 17: 18
              +4
              Rewarding the dead in return for severe punishment of the perpetrators of their death, including from among their own bosses and management, whose incompetent actions or inaction led to the loss of personnel and equipment - there is an inappropriate, shameful attempt to hide a grimace, crime and his accomplices, under the guise of "benefactors ".
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 14 November 2020 17: 23
              +4
              Quote: Dead Day
              let's say the order "For Service to the Fatherland"

              Now with orders, medals .. and in general with awards things are happening that often devalue them .. Look at the Heroes of Russia .. among them there are people who do not represent themselves and have not done anything heroic .. just close to the body. ...
              As for the dead pilots, I absolutely agree with you here .. For service to the Fatherland, it is more appropriate.
              Eternal memory to the guys and the strength and courage of their families ..
              1. Charik
                Charik 15 November 2020 16: 15
                -1
                just about, let these super-heroes on their unparalleled world-yachts and flying planes cover the most important redeployments. will not send a trough, and what was difficult to allocate for this, or they are only for cinema on federal channels, but the entot hero is now Russian helicopter taxis
          3. Clear
            Clear 14 November 2020 18: 33
            +1
            Quote: Kronos
            So what is the medal for? Just for being killed?

            How for what? For me, these guys, with their lives, played a huge role in ensuring the ceasefire and prevented the acute phase of the conflict.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 14 November 2020 18: 50
              -1
              Quote: Clear
              How for what? For me, these guys, with their lives, played a huge role in ensuring the ceasefire and prevented the acute phase of the conflict.

              But why the order is lost? Isn't it better to provide their loved ones for life, to give excellent education to children at the expense of the state?
              1. Clear
                Clear 14 November 2020 19: 55
                +1
                Quote: Tank Hard
                Quote: Clear
                How for what? For me, these guys, with their lives, played a huge role in ensuring the ceasefire and prevented the acute phase of the conflict.

                But why the order is lost? Isn't it better to provide their loved ones for life, to give excellent education to children at the expense of the state?

                Why, then, is he alive? That's right, for the notion (signal) to others that they are facing the Hero of the Fatherland.
                In the future, the entire family dynasty of these Heroes (awarded) will live with pride in their relative, and even if at least one unworthy offense, they will not do ...
                And then, I myself came across that information about those awarded with state awards is always easier to find in any archives.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 14 November 2020 21: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: Clear
                  Why, then, is he alive? That's right, for the notion (signal) to others that they are facing the Hero of the Fatherland.

                  My friend served in 6774 346 ORB, the second is Chechen. He at least has the option of free travel. And what are the benefits of the dead? Now, if their loved ones will have benefits, will be provided, their children will have free education. then yes. And the signal is not visible and clear to everyone. request
                2. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 16 November 2020 09: 50
                  -2
                  One should be proud of the living, not the dead. And the guys are dying for a failed foreign policy. The authorities can only milk their own population.
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 16 November 2020 20: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: Varyag71
                    Power can only milk its population
                    We would have started with this, otherwise they would have issued an "expert"
                    Quote: Varyag71
                    One should be proud of the living, not the dead.
                    1. Varyag71
                      Varyag71 17 November 2020 07: 33
                      0
                      This will all end when enough is left to service gas and oil pipes.
                      1. Clear
                        Clear 17 November 2020 09: 02
                        +4
                        Quote: Varyag71
                        This will all end when enough is left to service gas and oil pipes.

                        What will end? How will it end? How much is this enough? What pipes ???
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 15 November 2020 13: 23
                +3
                Quote: Tank Hard
                Isn't it better to provide their loved ones for life, to give excellent education to children at the expense of the state?

                A spouse can receive a survivor's pension for life, children - until they come of age. As for their education, they already enjoy the advantage, right up to admission to closed educational institutions both at the secondary education level, and then to any state universities, where they enter on a privilege. So the father's reward just gives such an opportunity, otherwise they would only use the survivor's pension until adulthood.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 15 November 2020 13: 51
                  -2
                  Quote: ccsr
                  A spouse can receive a survivor's pension for life, children - until they come of age. As for their education, they already enjoy the advantage, right up to admission to closed educational institutions both at the secondary education level, and then to any state universities, where they enter on a privilege. So the father's reward just gives such an opportunity, otherwise they would only use the survivor's pension until adulthood.

                  If so, then this is a good point. The defenders of the country must know that their families will not be abandoned by the state in the event of their (defenders) death.
            2. Letun
              Letun 14 November 2020 19: 12
              +5
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Kronos
              So what is the medal for? Just for being killed?

              How for what? For me, these guys, with their lives, played a huge role in ensuring the ceasefire and prevented the acute phase of the conflict.

              Well, and those that flew and were not shot down, are they not worthy? I, too, do not understand this crap with rewarding. What are they awarded for? The Su-24 pilot shot down in Syria was given a hero for just flying, and the Marine who died saving him received a lower reward. Those. the military serve, but reward those who fell under the hammers? What's the point? What is the heroism of the commander of the Su-24, in relation to other pilots? Yes, I understand, tragedy, you need to encourage. But the hero of Russia? !!! What is it?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 14 November 2020 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: Letun
                What's the point?

                The point is in the pretentiousness of our helmsmen. They made themselves appraisers of human heroism. They sit with their asses crushing their chairs and decide, this is a hero, and this is a medal of courage. And hence the subsequent payments. Traders, epona mother, rotten.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 15 November 2020 13: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  The point is in the pretentiousness of our helmsmen. They made themselves appraisers of human heroism.

                  Well, do not make it up - it is not they who write the performance, which is why a number of factors are always taken into account when evaluating the award, including the personality of the person being awarded. And then even the propaganda factor is taken into account, which, by the way, was even during the Great Patriotic War. So it is not necessary to take everything so primitively, as if there is a "scale of achievement" that allows you to reliably determine who and what deserved - there is no trace of it.
          4. KreAtiF
            KreAtiF 14 November 2020 20: 13
            +1
            Quote: Kronos
            So what is the medal for? Just for being killed?

            Do not tease me! They died in the line of duty, maybe it means nothing to you, but for people it is understandable !!
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 15 November 2020 18: 19
              -1
              They died in the line of duty

              Many die in the line of duty, but they don't even receive a medal.
              Hero Karpov, of course. There, on top, each other is rewarded for any reason. But where is the heroism here? I do not see.
            2. Varyag71
              Varyag71 16 November 2020 09: 55
              0
              Now doctors are dying in batches, but they are not given anything.
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 14 November 2020 21: 56
          -2
          Quote: Tatiana
          to the fallen in battle

          Quote: Tatiana
          Serve in times of war, establishing peace,

          November 9, 2020 Russian Mi-24 helicopter, escorting the convoy of the 102nd Russian military base through the territory of Armenia, was shot down by a MANPADS missile in the air out of the war zone next to the Armenian settlement Eraskh close to the border of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic.

          102nd Order of Alexander Nevsky Russian military base
          The 102nd Russian military base was created in accordance with the Treaty on the Legal Status of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the Territory of Armenia, signed on August 21, 1992, and the Treaty on the Russian military base on the territory of the Republic of Armenia dated March 16, 1995

          And what does the "fallen in battle" and the peacekeeping mission have to do with it?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 14 November 2020 22: 40
            +1
            Quote: Serg Koma
            And what does the "fallen in battle" and the peacekeeping mission have to do with it?

            Because when there is a war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis and peace is officially declared and the end of the war between them, then in each of the belligerent parties there are always forces - people who do not agree with the conclusion of this peace and demand not only the continuation of these wars, but also continue to fight among themselves, and the peacekeepers only interfere with this.
            Therefore, those who disagree with the world in war, they shoot at peacekeepers from both sides - not only in their chests, but also in their backs! The peacekeepers have practically no rear of their own. Something like this.
            It's clear?
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 15 November 2020 04: 50
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              It's clear?

              Once again, the 102nd base of the RF Armed Forces in Armenia does not carry out a peacekeeping mission, does not participate in actions to "reconcile" the parties, and does not conduct hostilities. Is this clear?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 15 November 2020 12: 19
                0
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Once again, the 102nd base of the RF Armed Forces in Armenia does not carry out a peacekeeping mission, does not participate in actions to "reconcile" the parties, and does not conduct hostilities. Is this clear?

                Thanks for the clarification! Clear!
                But, firstly, precisely because of the civil war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, the Russian MI-24 in Armenia near the border with Azerbaijan was still shot down!
                And secondly, why is the 102nd base of the RF Armed Forces located, in your opinion, in Armenia - on the border with Azerbaijan? What functions does it have? Armenia is a member of the CSTO.
                1. Serg koma
                  Serg koma 15 November 2020 15: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  What functions does it have?

                  The main mission of the Gyumri Russian base is a timely response to any threats against the southern borders of Russia, protecting Armenia as an ally in the CSTO. Under the extended agreement from 2010, Russian troops can legally be stationed in Gyumri until 2044.

                  102nd military base with about five thousand of our soldiers and officers. They have at their disposal several hundred tanks and armored combat vehicles, S-300 V anti-aircraft missile systems (988th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment), MiG-29 fighters, Mi-24P and Mi-8MT helicopters at the Erebuni airfield.
                  90% of sergeants and contract soldiers of the 102nd base, although they have Russian passports, are local residents and ethnic Armenians. The Russians are mainly command personnel.
        3. Varyag71
          Varyag71 16 November 2020 09: 40
          0
          Security must be at the border.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 November 2020 20: 57
        0
        Quote: lexus
        And the PR for their death and the impunity of the murderers is bestiality.

        It was necessary to act like Israel, it does not forgive the death of its military.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 15 November 2020 02: 33
        +2
        Correctly. The order, of course, is quite relevant, but only like a cherry on a cake. But to give the families apartments, moreover, not in some Tmutarakan, but where they ask, even if they ask in the "non-rubber" one, and pensions for the dead at least at the level of the salaries they received are much more important. And to shake off worthy compensation from Azerbaijan in favor of families.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 November 2020 20: 49
      +3
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      Everlasting memory! My condolences to all family and friends!

      A medal made of metal, this is the price of life in the Russian Federation. Well, the statement of the Kremlin, to the citizens of Azerbaijan, they say nothing happens. The Kremlin's attitude to its citizens, and even more so to the military, is prohibitively hypocritical. If they would kill one of the sons of these helmsmen, then the whole Azeibarjan would be ground with TOS and KABs. Ugh...
      Condolences to the families and friends of the fallen soldiers.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 15 November 2020 02: 59
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        If they would kill one of the sons of these helmsmen, then the whole Azeibarjan would be ground with TOS and KABs.

        It was Stalin's both sons who were at the front, and one of them died in captivity. And Khrushch's son also fought. True, an incomprehensible story happened to him, but that's another topic. And if the children of the current chief executives wear shoulder straps, they will serve on the floor.
        Well, Pashinyan is also just like this rhyme:
        Don't touch me
        I have a wife at the front!
        I am considered disabled -
        My soul hurts!
  2. iouris
    iouris 14 November 2020 15: 09
    +6
    In the text there is an error: to FEDINA, and FEDINA. Uzhos.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 14 November 2020 15: 32
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      In the text there is an error: to FEDINA, and FEDINA. Uzhos.

      Yes, we have lived - to such a shameful illiteracy in Russia!
      The exam illiteracy in the country is already in the Award Decrees in the office of the RF Ministry of Defense !!!
      And no one in the RF Ministry of Defense noticed this!
      And even computer spelling programs do not help typists to write correctly when preparing documents!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 14 November 2020 17: 42
        +2
        this happens often. and the exam has nothing to do with it. my surname was distorted this way and that over the years of service ... and before my father was also in SA that there is no sense in being surprised. my grandfather began to collect a collection of such documents just for the sake of laughter) 60-70-80 to this day) and the reason is its unusualness.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 14 November 2020 15: 53
      +2
      Maybe his surname Fedina with an emphasis on the second or last syllable?
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 14 November 2020 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      In the text there is an error: to FEDINA, and FEDINA. Uzhos.

      Are you sure that the name of the awarded person is FEDIN and not FEDIN?
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 15 November 2020 11: 10
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        Are you sure that the name of the awarded person is FEDIN and not FEDIN?

        Quote: Sergej1972
        Maybe his surname Fedina with an emphasis on the second or last syllable?

        Before you guess - the Internet to help.
        Fedin Roman Vasilievich.
        “As a result of the tragic incident, two of our comrades, pilots, who served at the Russian military base in Armenia, were killed. This is Major Ischuk Yuri Viktorovich, the crew commander, and Senior Lieutenant Fedin Roman Vasilievich. The pilot-operator, flight navigator was injured. We wish him a speedy recovery, "said Russian President Vladimir Putin
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 November 2020 13: 12
          +1
          Quote: Serg Koma
          Before you guess - the Internet to help.

          I don’t trust the Internet, so find the officer’s colleagues better, they can tell you what is the name of this awarded. By the way, the surname of one of my colleagues was DUBINA. How would his surname sound when awarded in such a situation?
    4. sgapich
      sgapich 16 November 2020 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      In the text there is an error: to FEDINA, and FEDINA. Uzhos.

      There is no mistake in the text. Surname of the deceased senior lieutenant Fedina (in the nominative case).
  3. Cron
    Cron 14 November 2020 15: 16
    +6
    You will provide a soldier with normal equipment so that you have less to stand like this. How long can you drive around Syria on the same armored personnel carriers? So also on Idlib. How not to look around new developments and what is not, but to the military who risk their lives, little reaches. I understand that you can't change everything at once, but for those who are in hot spots, you can figure out something, right?
    1. KreAtiF
      KreAtiF 14 November 2020 19: 01
      +1
      Quote: Cron
      You will provide a soldier with normal equipment so that you have less to stand like this. How long can you drive around Syria on the same armored personnel carriers? So also on Idlib. How not to look around new developments and what is not, but to the military who risk their lives, little reaches. I understand that you can't change everything at once, but for those who are in hot spots, you can figure out something, right?

      So the armored personnel carriers have different modifications, what is on the video in Syria is all 82A, so you don't need to make slander.
  4. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 14 November 2020 15: 35
    +4
    Well I do not know. It may not be good to say so, but you don't need to be knocked down with special courage. It is clear that this is PR, but PR is offensive for those to whom such orders were given for the cause.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 15: 56
      13
      The order is given not only for valor, but also for the shed blood and the life given in the service of the fatherland !!!
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 14 November 2020 16: 04
        +5
        Well, then you need to have different orders for this. Agree, chaining retreating comrades from the Czechs alone with a machine gun is another matter than performing a typical flight in a regular way and suddenly being shot down. Americans, for example, have a separate purple heart for this.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 17: 09
          -5
          We are not Americans, we have our own traditions.
  5. Teacher67
    Teacher67 14 November 2020 15: 42
    +1
    Remained unrevenged, the southern stream is apparently more important.
    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 14 November 2020 16: 09
      0
      Hmm .....))))
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 14 November 2020 17: 48
      +4
      Quote: Teacher67
      Remained unrevenged, the southern stream is apparently more important.

      Of course, I would like to know under which article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation they were excited? If under the article "Negligence", then this is insanity. We will continue to receive "slaps" in the face, as with R. Khabibullin, R. Filipov, O. Peshkov ... the Russian Ambassador to Turkey ... with a muttering "sorry" and a carload of tomatoes ...

      It is necessary to initiate under Article 361 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Act of International Terrorism" and judge in Russia.

      1. Committing an explosion, arson or other actions outside the territory of the Russian Federation endangering the life, health, freedom or inviolability of citizens of the Russian Federation for the purpose of disrupting the peaceful coexistence of states and peoples or directed against the interests of the Russian Federation, as well as the threat of committing these actions -
      are punished with imprisonment for a term of ten to twenty years, or life imprisonment.
  6. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 15: 55
    +3
    Order posthumously is good, but where are the protection systems of our helicopters like "Vitebsk"?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 14 November 2020 16: 08
      +4
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Order posthumously is good, but where are the protection systems of our helicopters like "Vitebsk"?

      This is a very good question, as well as what the military intelligence of Armenia and our base did in order to prevent such acts of sabotage from the neighboring regions of another country. As far as I understand, this launch was not carried out by standard air defense crews of Azerbaijan, which means that someone was behind this, and the target was tracked in advance.
      1. Serg koma
        Serg koma 15 November 2020 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        As far as I understand, this launch was carried out by non-standard air defense crews of Azerbaijan

        It is unlikely that Azerbaijan took responsibility without delay - that means they know who, when and from what. Consequently, there were no "non-standard" (???) air defense crews in the area, otherwise they would have turned the arrows to Armenians, international terrorists (who accidentally infiltrated the territory) and similar excuses.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 November 2020 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: Serg Koma
          Therefore, there were no "non-standard" (???) air defense calculations in this area,

          In fact, MANPADS are the standard armament of the companies in the ground forces, as far as I remember, and not the air defense means of anti-aircraft missile regiments. And something tells me that this method was used to destroy our helicopter. And they confessed only because our commanders could overwhelm more than one side of the Azerbaijani Air Force in retaliation in this way, so they were afraid of retribution.
          1. Rudkovsky
            Rudkovsky 15 November 2020 15: 19
            -3
            They could have failed, but in the end they only failed us .. The dead were given a medal, families will be given compensation so that they do not stink and the case is over. Business with partners is more important than a turntable and a pair of warriors.
    2. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 14 November 2020 16: 11
      0
      so, what is next ? One fifth fly with them, if not less.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 14 November 2020 17: 49
      +1
      it's mi 24 it is not on it !!!!!!!!! it goes serially only from 15 on mi 35 mi 28 ka 52 and mi 8 mtsh.
  7. maktub
    maktub 14 November 2020 15: 57
    +3
    Don't get it wrong, but what a valor to be shot down
    Here is a pilot shot down in Syria, who fired back to the last, and then was blown up by a grenade, taking a couple of barmaleev, that hero!
    The very value of the awards is leveled!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 14 November 2020 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: maktub
      Don't get it wrong, but what a valor to be shot down

      Isn't it a virtue to die doing military duty?
      Yes, death is different. And not everyone is given the opportunity to show courage and perseverance before death.
      Simply because death is sudden and unexpected.
      How does this diminish the soldier's willingness to lay down his life in the line of duty?
      1. maktub
        maktub 14 November 2020 16: 51
        +4
        The military profession by default, implies not only to fight, but also to die, i.e. with professional risk
        Medals and orders are not given for professional risk
      2. Rudkovsky
        Rudkovsky 15 November 2020 15: 26
        -2
        Read the dictionary:
        Courage is a volitional act committed consciously, the implementation of which requires the individual to overcome fear.

        Consciously, do you understand? If you just suddenly died, it is not conscious. Here, in meaning, the award of the "St. George's Cross" level is more suitable, encouraging so to speak. Although any medal is already dead equally, the best reward would be a fair punishment for the shooters and the dismissal of commanders. But this will not happen, the topic has already been actively "passed" and will not return to it.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 16 November 2020 09: 51
          0
          You advise me to read some "dictionaries", but you yourself do not know what the St. George's Cross is?
          1. Rudkovsky
            Rudkovsky 16 November 2020 13: 41
            -1
            I wrote the level of the St. George's cross - that is, a consolation award, but an officer's. Surely there is one. The order for the fact that they flew and died is unnecessary to give, this devalues ​​the award. For if you evaluate equally those who deliberately chose death for themselves for the sake of others or to complete a task and those who simply died, you turn the order into a penny rattle.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 16 November 2020 15: 56
              0
              Quote: Rudkovsky
              turn the order into a penny rattle

              At the cost of just something in life.
              Well done, what can I say.
              1. Rudkovsky
                Rudkovsky 16 November 2020 15: 58
                -1
                For the risk, the military is paid a salary. Don't mix.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 16 November 2020 16: 43
                  0
                  Read what you wrote about the throat rattle.
                  And what I wrote. That the price of such a "penny rattle" is life.
                  So. What and with what do I mix?
  8. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 November 2020 16: 10
    +7
    Of course, sorry for the victims, but what kind of courage can we talk about? In our country, there has always been a very poor separation of "heroes" and "victims" - here specifically, no "courage" simply could have been shown - people were suddenly shot down over non-military territory. Everything. The end. And no courage.
    When our DRY was knocked out in Syria and the pilot fired back as much as he could, and then blew himself up with a grenade, that's courage.
    When a sailor on a submarine climbed into the reactor room and manually closed the valves - this is courage.
    And when people were simply shot down in a helicopter - this is not courage, from any angle. Courage implies a strong-willed decision and a CHOICE as such - these guys did not have a choice and did not have time for a strong-willed decision. So all this is a pathetic attempt to "hush up" and paint over the incident.
    1. Shimoza
      Shimoza 14 November 2020 16: 23
      -7
      Duc ... When they gave the "Hero of Russia" to the pilot who planted the liner in the corn .... I didn't understand anything at all. He was saving his life. And he had no options. And the passengers, one might say, just drove alongside ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 14 November 2020 17: 13
        -2
        Quote: SHimoza
        And he had no options.

        mimocrocodile.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 14 November 2020 18: 12
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: SHimoza
          And he had no options.

          mimocrocodile.

          Well, not yet a half hour lecture in the spirit winked "Business, of course, is yours, everyone has the right to choose for himself, but if you do not urgently send your child to kindergarten, it will be like one of my second cousin's grandchild neighbors ..."
  9. Smoked
    Smoked 14 November 2020 16: 15
    +1
    Why not "heroes" were given? In the same Syria, through one "hero" was given, but here only the "Order of Courage".
  10. Konnick
    Konnick 14 November 2020 17: 01
    -3
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    The order is given not only for valor, but also for the shed blood and the life given in the service of the fatherland !!!

    For a feat exceeding or for death when performing
    Quote: maktub
    Don't get it wrong, but what a valor to be shot down
    Here is a pilot shot down in Syria, who fired back to the last, and then was blown up by a grenade, taking a couple of barmaleev, that hero!
    The very value of the awards is leveled!


    And they forgot that he violated the order ... but became a hero.
  11. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 November 2020 18: 02
    +1
    It seems to me that these awards are like an apology from the state for its jamb. And the fact that this is a cant is no question.
  12. deniso
    deniso 14 November 2020 18: 09
    0
    And the generals of the Ministry of Defense who authorized this flight along the contact line without informing the warring parties also awarded medals?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 November 2020 18: 15
      -1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      And the generals of the Ministry of Defense who authorized this flight along the contact line without informing the warring parties also awarded medals?

      not ... there is only a stern look at the boys ...
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 14 November 2020 19: 38
      +6
      What other line of contact? The helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia, which is not officially at war with Azerbaijan. Karabakh is on the other side of Armenia than Nakhichevan. The border of Armenia with Turkey and Iran, according to the agreement, is guarded by Russia. Thus, the war machine had every reason to be where it was at the time of the attack. What other arguments are needed to understand that the probability of hitting a helicopter was reduced to almost zero? It was precisely a provocation, perhaps carefully prepared.
      There was also every reason to strike back immediately - and only then figure out who, why and how. But there was no retaliatory strike - we will not know why soon. From this point of view, yes, I would like to see a tougher reaction.
      And the dead pilots, in my opinion, are worthy of the awards. If only because they were ready to carry out the order, despite all the dangers. They would have stayed alive and would have had to shoot back on the ground - I am sure they would have done so.
  13. KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 14 November 2020 19: 11
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Order posthumously is good, but where are the protection systems of our helicopters like "Vitebsk"?

    This is a very good question, as well as what the military intelligence of Armenia and our base did in order to prevent such acts of sabotage from the neighboring regions of another country. As far as I understand, this launch was not carried out by standard air defense crews of Azerbaijan, which means that someone was behind this, and the target was tracked in advance.
    Once again I say, it is necessary to conduct an investigation, if you claim that the target was tracked in advance, then find out when it was decided to lead the convoy along this route and by whom, whether the CSTO "allies" were aware of the route. And then "everything was prepared and shot down on purpose", in which case the helicopter was specially brought there?
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 November 2020 19: 52
    +3
    And where was Lever-AV at that time? And nowhere, there is no money, but you hold on ...
  15. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 14 November 2020 20: 15
    -3
    The helicopter was shot down over the territory of Armenia. Where is the CSTO? Hey? And, it is unprofitable to intermeddle, we will replace, yes, GDP? Everyone, those who are here about the feat, flew and knocked them down, where is the heroism? Are you, in general, former warriors? Well, let's not reward the crew that went into exchange. And you, you know for sure, would they shoot back and blow up a grenade during landing or not? What choice did they have? It feels like the old man's insanity is covering you. Award at least something, serve - you will receive a badge. Maybe at least families will not sink into poverty, like Armenia and Azerbaijan promised to help.
  16. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 15 November 2020 05: 21
    +3
    - "Currently, this fact is being investigated by two parties at once, the Ministry of Defense of Russia and Azerbaijan are in constant communication" - people will be "given out" what suits both sides! but Russia was "lowered" once again. With such a foreign policy, this is not the last time ..
  17. Tests
    Tests 15 November 2020 11: 22
    +1
    "STATUTE of the Order of Courage
    1. The Order of Courage is awarded to citizens who have shown selflessness, courage and courage in the protection of public order, in the fight against crime, in the rescue of people during natural disasters, fires, catastrophes and other emergencies, as well as for courageous and decisive actions taken during the execution military, civil or official duty in conditions associated with a risk to life.
    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 07.09.2010 N 1099 (as amended on 26.10.2020) "On measures to improve the state award system of the Russian Federation" (together with the "Regulations on state awards of the Russian Federation", "Statutes of the orders of the Russian ..." from ConsultantPlus ... In the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 14.11.2020/706/20 No. XNUMX, not a word about: "for courageous and decisive actions committed in the performance of military, civil or official duty in conditions associated with a risk to life." Award documents will not show us ... Will the surviving crew member be able to tell at least something about the brave and decisive actions of the victims, or the guys did not have the opportunity to do anything at all and they died instantly ... Once again I was convinced that over the past XNUMX years the system of state awards of the Russian Federation rotted away, although ... and under Gorbachev, the Order "For Personal Courage" was awarded to just good men, and four at once ...
    And I also agree with those who believe that the state should help families to support their parents, and to teach widows and children. But alas ... The survivor's pension in the form that exists today is a mockery of common sense ... What is the number of "foodies", what is the breadwinner, what is the amount paid, what is the purpose (there is still a difference a soldier died in battle or on vacation slipped on the porch of a store that was not cleared of ice in the winter and died from hitting the back of his head on the asphalt) ...
  18. Diviz
    Diviz 15 November 2020 18: 59
    0
    As time goes on people forget history.