Ukraine tends to purchase Turkish-made corvettes

Ukraine is leaning towards buying Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy. According to the Defense Industrial Courier, the Ministry of Defense of the country intends to spend on the ships the funds that remained unused within the framework of the state defense order for 2020.

According to the publication, on November 13, a meeting was held on the basis of the Department of Military-Technical Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, at which the use of the funds remaining from this year's defense order was discussed. The Defense Ministry is inclined to use them for the purchase of Turkish-made corvettes.

At the same time, the military department does not see the expediency of completing the corvette of national development.

Earlier, when discussing the construction of Turkish corvettes in the interests of the Ukrainian Navy, Deputy Prime Minister - Minister for Strategic Industries of Ukraine Oleg Urusky said that the first corvette could be manufactured in Turkey, and all subsequent ones will already be produced at a Ukrainian enterprise.

As a possible project in Kiev, a corvette of the "Ada" type is being considered - a ship capable of conducting anti-submarine operations and patrolling on the high seas, with widespread use of stealth technologies in the design.

The displacement of the corvette is 2400 tons, the length is 99,56 m, the width is 14,4 m, the crew is 93 people. The CODAG power plant consists of one General Electric LM2500 gas turbine with a capacity of 23 MW and two 16-cylinder MTU 16V595TE90 diesel engines of 4320 kW each. Maximum speed - 29 knots, economic speed - 15 knots. Range - 3500 nautical miles at a speed of 15 knots.

Armament includes 8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, RIM-116 RAM air defense systems (21 air defense missile systems), 76-mm OTO Melara Super Rapid artillery mount, 2 × 12,7-mm Aselsan STAMP machine guns, two 324-mm three-pipe Mk.32 torpedo tubes (torpedoes Mk. 46/54), anti-submarine helicopter S-70B Sea Hawk.

Recall that in February this year, a delegation of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine visited Turkey, where, among others, the issue of possible construction for the Ukrainian fleet various ships, taking into account the capabilities of Turkish and Ukrainian enterprises. In October, the parties signed a memorandum of intent to develop cooperation in the field of defense-industrial projects.

The document sets out the intentions of the parties to start and implement joint projects for the construction of warships, unmanned aerial vehicles and all types of turbine engines.

Comments

[Livonetc]

Why do they need corvettes, and what do they need a fleet for?
At the moment, the kraina is firmly becoming an agrarian power.
Almost 50% of GDP.
Moreover, he is engaged in agriculture in an extensive version.
Soon the oligarchs will completely abandon the industrial business such as metallurgy and the like, joining the agroindustry everywhere.

[krot]

At the same time, the military department does not see the expediency of completing the corvette of national development

All the hallmarks of a banana republic.

[hydrox]

Our Navy and coastal batteries, in my opinion, do not care at all who rivets the troughs carrying the Ukrainian flag, which will need to be rinsed in the Black Sea

[Lexus]

I wonder what "friend" Volodya "will say to" friend "Recep. A salvo of "Harpoons" will take away the lives of our sailors ... It would be fair to appoint children who are stuck in the crew.

[Volder]

Quote: lexus

A salvo of "Harpoons" will take the lives of our sailors

A salvo of "Caliber" and "Uranov" will take the lives of Ukrainian sailors. It is unlikely that Ukrainian sailors will want to risk their own health ...

[Starover_Z]

Ukraine is leaning towards purchasing Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy.

Quote: krot

All the hallmarks of a banana republic.

Ha-Ha-Ha! Independent, sovereign! And earlier, as part of the Power, they built aircraft-carrying cruisers ...

[storm]

I remember an old anecdote about submarines in the steppes of Ukraine ...

[Machito]

Under the USSR, cruisers and aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev, and non-stale Ukraine buys bush boats and dreams of buying a Turkish corvette. Over the 30 years of independence given to Ukraine, so degrade, it must be tried. It is necessary to have a special talent.

[hydrox]

And what do you want: without a rudder, without sails, without a compass, without a guide and guide - soon they will start talking in the pig language ...

[Lexus]

Do not underestimate the enemy and rest on laurels that are no longer there.

[hydrox]

Come on, Alexey!
Nothing Bastions against zhovtoblakite - is that weak ??
And the Zircons?
And the most recent feature - Calibers as carriers for proto-submarine torpedoes?
The tests, by the way, have already been carried out.

[Volder]

Quote: lexus

Do not underestimate the enemy and rest on laurels that are no longer there.

Ukraine is in full view, its capabilities can hardly be overestimated. In relation to Ukraine, Russia can continue to rest without any fear.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Bearded

dreams of buying a Turkish corvette.

So the boat is interesting. But they will not be able to build anything similar. Or rather how - only a "box" can, but a box is the simplest thing. But the equipment .. Its own is outdated by half a century, or does not exist in nature. They don't sell foreign ones just like that.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

And who will manage them? They will sink it themselves or launch a rocket across Kiev! There is a video of how they launch the exercises! We almost drowned each other!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Bearded

It is necessary to have a special talent.

Here, as they say, "a bad thing is not tricky." In addition, there will be enough money for the leftovers from the "defense order", with the Ukrainian military budget, except for the steering wheel of the Turkish corvette.

[x.andvlad]

If not corvettes, then they will definitely buy Turkish drones. Their successful combat use of dill in Karabakh inspires their use in Donbass.

[hydrox]

It has already been calculated that the new ammunition for Buk, designed to combat drones, is quite inexpensive, much cheaper than Bayraktar - so let them buy

[x.andvlad]

Now the main thing is not to oversleep this moment. We need appropriate training and supply of the LPR. The whole point is that dill can be purchased and prepared officially. And from our side you need to do it yourself, you understand how ...

[hydrox]

The necessary forces (and believe me, very few of them are needed to work with the Armed Forces of Ukraine (after all, the militia's meat grinder will go well if 40 percent (and even less ready for battle!)) Are probably already in a state of daily readiness (it is very necessary to have time in 72 American days) , primary support from the sea in the western direction is obligatory) - I am not a military man, but there is a notion that if not now, then already with losses.

[TulaTokarev]

Are you hinting that the Malaysian Boeing is still pumped by the militias? Together with those who will supply new ammunition for Buk?

[Boris Chernikov]

there is another question .. who will give them money for new Turkish ships ..

[Andylw]

to the new British missile boats gave
and for corvettes they will give

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: AndyLW

to the new British missile boats gave
and for corvettes they will give

They gave a loan. Which it is not known how they will give ... The Turks will give a loan, like the British? Something I can't believe ...

[Andylw]

well, they write that money remained in the budget
and if not enough, they will give a loan
Ukrainian bonds on the market are buying up quickly

[bobba94]

More than 70% of arable land is black soil. Now, according to the comments made by the IMF, the law on the sale of land is being finalized. As soon as the law is adopted, there will be no end of investors at all. In 10 years all the land will be sold and a new life will begin ... Yes, the name will remain the same - Ukraine

[210ox]

Okay. Keep the bloomers on your ass

[hydrox]

The Turks will easily give ... for the right to own the Crimea, and the skakuas (I give a grudge!) They will definitely correct this letter ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: AndyLW

to the new British missile boats gave
and for corvettes they will give

the brits gave, the brits took .... the Turks give it, the Turks will take out the debt .. it's like a "quick loan" .... the collectors will then shake out the whole soul.

[hydrox]

What for lenders a Skakuas soul, if there is a nuclear power plant (as many as 6 pieces!), Millions of hectares of black soil, a fig of water in reservoirs ("Crimea is going to take a lot!" - and that's true: illiterate use led to swamping hundreds of thousand hectares) by type of the Kuban Reservoir. swamped all the lands downstream, including all lands within the city boundaries of Krasnodar.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: hydrox

if there is a nuclear power plant (as many as 6 units!),

There are doubts about how people use the Internet

Ukraine has 4 nuclear power plants with 15 power units, one of which, the Zaporozhye NPP with 6 VVER power units with a total installed capacity of 6000 MW, is the largest in Europe

most likely wrong.

[VORON538]

To call Ukraine a Power-loudly said
So, among the third world countries, it exports something
Its own fleet, except that the civilian will be for fishing in the World Cup, and then the ships will buy
For they cannot build, they all rode in 30 years!

[gurzuf]

Come on! The strongest fleet in the country in which we were also Crimeans until 2014. I only had a 3-meter pvc "hummingbird" boat. So I had a ship's ticket and I was allowed to go under the state ensign !!! Imagine how many ensigns can be released into the sea overnight!

[VORON538]

Nenuacho!
Suvorov said "not by number, but by skill"
It turns out, with the help of a large number of rubber products, you can refute the generalissimo's axiom?

[gurzuf]

Are you not aware that in (in) Ukraine, every born already academician

[Rzzz]

Quote: gurzuf

I only had a 3-meter pvc "hummingbird" boat.

By the way, "Stealth" technology. On the radar it can be seen from 300-500 meters maximum.

[Alex Justice]

Sharing secrets?

[Rzzz]

No, I do not possess classified information, I am an observer. Since I observed this information, it means that it is no longer secret.

[Grandfather]

Quote: VORON538

For they cannot build, they all rode in 30 years!

and not only them ... degradation has covered the whole of Europe like a flurry, and it has covered us. look what was done in the USSR on this "wasteland", the answer is: everything! and now ... crumbs.

[Pereira]

Watermelons will be carried around Crimea.

[Sofa batyr]

Ukraine tends to purchase Turkish-made corvettes

Ukraine does not decide for itself, it is persuaded to those to whom it gives itself ...

[Alex Nevs]

She has been bowed for a long time ... wherever she gets.

[venik]

Quote: Livonetc

Why do they need corvettes, and what do they need a fleet for?

==========
Interestingly, and money is taken WHERE? It seems like recently there was an article on VO, which indicated that the state defense order is financed by hardly a third! And then suddenly the money "saved" on the state defense order ... And this despite the fact that in Nikolaev for ten years unfinished corvettes of project 58250 have been rusting (the degree of readiness was about 38%!). And here on you and money was found to buy from the Turks. It seems that such degradation has already begun that they cannot even finish building corvettes on their own !!! In truth, to paraphrase the classic: "The mind cannot understand Ukraine!"

[Eug]

Will not be abandoned. There are still a lot of ore reserves in Ukraine, and the first redistribution is cheaper as close to the mining sites as possible - it is cheaper to transport metal in ingots, not ore. And this business is ecologically dirty. So they will leave the primary metallurgy to Ukraine.

[Brturin]

Quote: Eug

So they will leave the primary metallurgy to Ukraine.

It seems that this is where things are going. Here "Ukrmetallurgprom" was indignant and demands "to stop any negotiations with the Kazakh side, which could lead to catastrophic consequences for the Ukrainian industry." And they decided to buy everything from Kazakhstan - rails, railway wheels and turnouts ...

[Eug]

All this is done in Ukraine, but due to the high cost of energy in Ukraine, Kazakh products come out cheaper ... so the intraspecific struggle of oligarchs (energy and metallurgical, however, oligarchs are now all diversified) in Ukraine will be serious. This purchase may have one more insight - Kazakhstan paid KhAZ $ 15 million. as an advance payment for the An-74, the plane did not receive. Maybe this is such a peculiar way to get your money back?

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Eug

but due to the high cost of energy in Ukraine, Kazakh products come out cheaper

there is Energoatom "with its cheapest electricity (on average 65 kopecks per kilowatt-hour)
and there is a "green tariff" with a profitability of more than 300%.
We mix and get ... we get a surplus of cheap energy and the need to pay for the tariff.
As a result, it is not profitable to produce cheap energy! Absurd. But these are Ukrainian realities.

[Eug]

Thank you, I know.

[-Dmitry-]

Most importantly, why do they need a NATO-standard ship? All art and air defense weapons are NATO. Naturally, they have not put into production. Accordingly, all this is to be purchased, not to mention the electronic weapons. Morons ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Seven Turkish companies entered the top 100 military high-tech companies in the world. DefenseNews has published a list for 2020.

Five Turkish companies entered the TOP-100 last year, now there are seven

Aselsan moved up from 52nd to 48th; TAI from 69th position to 53rd position; BMC - 89th place (lost 4 positions); Roketsan - 91st place (lost 2 positions); STM - dropped to 92nd place from 85th; FNSS and Havelsan are two new Turkish companies recently ranked (98 and 99)

The rating includes two Russian companies: Almaz-Antey (dropped from 15th to 17th place) and Tactical Missile Weapons JSC (from 32nd to 35th place)

[Vitaly161]

We are aware of the fact that the Turks are good at doing screwdriver assembly, but it's good when you don't need to invent your own, took a ready-made corvette from the world, and Turkey itself can build and arm a corvette from 0?

[Andylw]

why from scratch?
Turkey is not isolated
and how all leading manufacturers use the best components on the market
this is the RF trying to produce everything from a bolt to a microcircuit)))))

[Vitaly161]

well, they are not far from isolation, with their politics

[Andylw]

won't wait)
the world's best products are made from the world's best components

[Vitaly161]

yes yes, this is why Altai is not yet in the series, although it would seem that the entire capitalist world will help, but it has not grown together

[Andylw]

with reinforcement but grew together))))
at parades he is only nimble, but modernized conscientious T-72s go to the troops)))

[Vitaly161]

update the training manual, Armata is undergoing military tests, in the amount of 50 pieces, and Altai where? prompt?

[Andylw]

Armata military trials

but should have been put into service 5 years ago)))

[Vitaly161]

maybe it should, but the experience of operating combat vehicles of the T72 and T90 type in the SAR showed that the machines, with proper modernization, still serve, is it bad? And what do you have against the modernization of existing T90 tanks (and they are also produced, not only modernized) and T72? or the USA (what is the ser already there?), Israel (4th or 5th modernization?), Germany (all of a sudden they upgrade to 2A7), but our T72b (that is, their peer) into the trash? but stop, I forgot, they have "democratic" modernization, they can

[Andylw]

of course, the T-72 will serve!
we still have 55 t-20000s in storage.
you can also use them - a reliable car ...
and let the people and the leader at parades amuse armata and raise the greatness)))
and the West is not a decree for us ... we have a great superpower after all

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: AndyLW

but should have been put into service 5 years ago)))

Why do you think so ?

[Andylw]

"The Director General clarified that at first it was planned to transfer a batch of T-14 Armata tanks in 2015, but due to the intensive preparation of equipment for the parade, the transfer dates had to be shifted to 2016."
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/466679

[Ru_Na]

It's not a bad idea to have a full production cycle in your territory! You develop your economy and industrial production and do not depend on foreign manufacturers, who, for the sake of politicians, may refuse to sell their products to you!

[Andylw]

yeah ...
only this product is obtained with this approach uncompetitive and expensive)))
and buying it at exorbitant prices at the expense of budget funds (as a weapon for the army) all the advantages for the economy are leveled.
and you still have to spend money on maintaining the pants of import-substituting enterprises)))

[Rubi0]

Here another question is already where to push it, and for this we need an analogue of NATO so that all types of allies (fools) are pushed for their 2-4% of GDP

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: AndyLW

why from scratch?
Turkey is not isolated
and how all leading manufacturers use the best components on the market
this RF is trying to produce everything from a bolt to a microcircuit itself

And he does the right thing. Since life shows that even the most seemingly reliable partner can throw nothing hesitating at any time.
The Canadians have already closed the engines to the Turks. Or is it, in your opinion, does not matter?
It is better to have, even if not all of the best, but the very components that will not end suddenly at the most inopportune moment.

[Andylw]

"Canadians have already closed engines for Turks"

both closed and opened - Karabakh then calmed down))
Turkey has no sectoral sanctions and can choose the best suppliers
they already have their own engine to replace rotax

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: AndyLW

both closed and opened - Karabakh then calmed down

But where is the guarantee that they will not fly back from where they did not expect? So all the way and shake, so that it gets carried over and is not banned?

Turkey has no sectoral sanctions and can choose the best suppliers
they already have their own engine to replace rotax

Not today, and no one knows what will happen tomorrow.
So it turns out that "Rotax" is not the best, since the Turks have successfully mastered it? Or I don’t understand and this is different?

[Andylw]

this is called schizophrenia.
all countries live normally and are not afraid
there are only 3 countries in the world that suffer from similar symptoms)))
I think you know them))))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: AndyLW

this is called schizophrenia.

Not schizophrenia, but paranoia.
This is called prudence and foresight.
The Turks did not fight against the whole of Europe several times. And they were quite sure that they would definitely be taken to the European Union, and they would never be kicked out of the F-35 program.
Blessed is he who believes, but let him not complain later.

[Andylw]

So it turns out that "Rotax" is not the best, since the Turks have successfully mastered it? Or I don't understand and this is different

Turks have developed their own engine
better than rotax

[Roman B_3]

Ukrainian...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Seven Turkish companies entered the top 100 military high-tech companies in the world. DefenseNews published the list for 2020
The rating includes two Russian companies: Almaz-Antey (dropped from 15th to 17th place) and Tactical Missile Weapons JSC (from 32nd to 35th place)

Yes Yes! Defense News rating is, of course, the most independent and objective!
As comprehensive as last year's Global Health Index, commissioned by Bloomberg and The Economist. In this ranking, for preparedness for epidemics, the United States and the United Kingdom are ranked first and second, respectively.
So it is, right? That the United States, that the United Kingdom is simply the best coping with the coronavirus, right?

[Hunter 2]

Does Pan Ataman have money? Turks don't do charity work!
In general, it's a shame to ditch your own shipbuilding inherited from the USSR, and in fact they built Aircraft Carriers ...

[VORON538]

In general, this is a shame not only for Ukraine
It is a shame to those who allowed the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Empire.
For both Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan are fragments of the Russian Empire, the USSR
And without Russia, these are banana republics, on whose territory there will be an eternal struggle between East and West.
And let the nationalities minus!

[Rubi0]

And what is better? ports have already been sold / sold to Qataris and Chinese, as if not the West at all, and if the question is about money, then it makes no sense at all, everything is the same about factories. The meaning of the Russian Federation is to build right now somewhere in a belokamenka in the north where a dubak is for most of the year when everything ready is idle in Nikolaev, the "Zaliv" in Kerch itself is a vivid confirmation of this already in 5 years has been restored and received orders for 1,5 billion dollars for the construction of ships. Not well, then yes, if you want to be a banana republic and for the same 1,5 billion to fulfill Wishlist and pay also interest to the IMF and not receive direct investment, then what already.

[paul3390]

The aircraft-carrying cruisers were not built by Tsegabonia, and not even separately by the Ukrainian SSR, but by the entire great Soviet Union. Nonesh bourgeoisie - nothing of the kind even dreamed of.

[Andylw]

take on credit.
Harpoons from it will not fly worse from this)))))

[maktub]

Tochno.To with them China, India and the Russian Federation suffer.
Our fellows got rid of in time

[maktub]

Someone else needs the cruiser "Ukraine" to "push".

[Asadbek]

It was not Ukraine that built the cruiser. Weight was built by the Union.

[Ryazan87]

Really buried the stewardess and "Volodymer the Great" mustache? It is a pity, even if it had been built for 20 years and the admiral's posts had been produced. However, it will be very good if the Ukrainians really start spending money on the purchase of corvettes, and not on something really useful, such as communications or drones.

[Machete]

I am leaning towards buying a Maybach. But my bank account says shish to me, not Maybach.

[Bolt cutter]

Ukraine's oldest profession on Maybach will work so they have an advantage.

[Machete]

If only so.

[Cron]

I hope that the Donbass drew the right conclusions after what happened in Karabakh, and the RF Ministry of Defense too. If an attempt is made to take the LPR by force again, it will be necessary to end this Russophobic project at our borders. Even without joining it is possible there to create an allied New Russia with further integration. And the Ukrainians will leave a piece of land so that we will not be accused of genocide, from where they will again be able to stink and build their Napoleonic plans for the disintegration of Russia, but this will not be interesting to anyone.

[xomaNN]

The Turkish boat itself is very good in terms of performance characteristics. Price question?

Well, but for uk..r. the authorities are more important WHERE TO BUY MONEY FOR IT?

[Andylw]

take on credit.
Harpoons from him will not fly worse from this)))

[Rubi0]

Business then, in 14, they temporarily introduced 0,5% of the military fee from everything, right now, already 1,5%, they will raise another two percent and millions of Russians in Ukraine will just pay

[Rubi0]

I see no contradictions, I can paraphrase, among the citizens who were not spared with the Ukrainian passport there are millions of Russians who will sponsor this banquet

[Ros 56]

Why do Bandera people need corvettes if they are used to hiding in forests and gullies? And on the sea, and on the Black Sea, the heirs of Fyodor Ushakov will hold the upper hand, the Turks remember him very well.

[Andylw]

hahaha
wake up!
the Turkish fleet is 2 times stronger than the Russian Black Sea Fleet)))
read less propaganda, but better look at the combat composition of the fleets))

[Ros 56]

The one who laughs last laughs. So much haha.
In general, tell it on the program: the obvious is the incredible.
Well, for your complete happiness, do not remind by case the ratio of the Russian and Turkish fleets when Ushak Pasha swept aside the Turks.

[Andylw]

"this" can be seen by anyone by opening the combat strength of the Turkish fleet and the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the wiki)))

the difference will quickly sober up any jingoistic patriot

[Ros 56]

They beat it not according to the charter, but in the Turkish face.

[Andylw]

it would be something to beat

[Ros 56]

For some reason, the striped ones are tousled, apparently they know more than you.

[Andylw]

Cool corvette!
debugged in production, build quickly!
and a great addition to British missile boats
The Black Sea Fleet tensed a lot))))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: AndyLW

Cool corvette!
debugged in production, build quickly!
and a great addition to British missile boats
The Black Sea Fleet tensed a lot))))

Do not count your chickens before they are hatched ! You hurry too much dreamed ... There is not one "chicken" yet, but "glory to ukraYnya!" Boo ha ha !!!!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

There will be enough inflatable boats for the eyes. If anything (like in Crimea), they let the air out, put it in a suitcase and ... to a new location, on the banks of the Dnieper, or better, the Tisza.)

[Retvizan 8]

There is a saying: "I would buy an ox, but the priest is a goal!"
What kind of tales do they tell?
They can't even build boats in sufficient numbers, but then they swung at corvettes?

[K-50]

Ukraine tends to purchase Turkish-made corvettes

Possessing factories and shipyards that built ships of all classes, including aircraft carriers!
Everyone jumped, and the mind fell out.

[rocket757]

The country's Ministry of Defense intends to spend the funds remaining unused as part of the state defense order for 2020 on ships.

I go nuts from that zoo !!! Ditch your industry, Schaub sponsor someone else's ???
We could have looked around, learn from tsuzu mistakes and positive examples.

[bar]

I go nuts from that zoo !!! Ditch your industry, Schaub sponsor someone else's ???

Don't bullshit, Ukraine has nothing to sponsor. They themselves can hardly make ends meet with loans. So "leaning towards buying" is one thing, but "so to buy" is quite another

[rocket757]

They can buy, they can’t ..... why talk in vain, who are trying to cheer up, skakuas?
So their brains are already shaken to a state .......

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

I go nuts from that zoo !!! Ditch your industry, Schaub sponsor someone else's ???
We could have looked around, learn from tsuzu mistakes and positive examples.

And their corvette is not completed, apparently the Turks offered them a loan ...

[rocket757]

Loans for any will have to be given or paid off than what is likely to happen.

[cniza]

We understand that you will have to pay for everything, and they believe that they will turn out ...

[rocket757]

I don’t guess what they think there .... though, and who thinks there at all?

[cniza]

So they build a financial pyramid and believe that they will definitely be lucky, where they will forgive, where they cheat ...

[rocket757]

Jumping does not pass for nothing for everyone, except for those who have not been engaged in such garbage, but pursues very specific goals ... to fish in troubled water.

[cniza]

They have already driven the future generation into debt and continue to actively continue in the same spirit ...

[rocket757]

Shaw say .... the current skakuasoy cannot think of this, in fact, there is nothing with.

[cniza]

They think only about today and to make a mess of Russia, and what will happen tomorrow they do not care ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ukraine will soon start buying weapons from Burkina Faso. It should be so degraded and sink below the plinth .. But we were a nuclear power. They had strategic aviation, navy, aircraft building, space industry. As time and history have shown, Ukraine has turned into a reservation, a place of compact residence of cheap labor.

[Incvizitor]

Yes, they found someone to take it, so soon they will buy boats in Somalia, and they ditched their production in Nikolaev to zero.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

were a nuclear power. They had strategic aviation, navy, aircraft construction, space industry

This was all when the territory called Ukraine was part of a great power. And not just a provincial outskirts, but quite a system-forming one.
But now the policy of Ukraine is a complete rejection of all this.

[Reviews]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

were a nuclear power

They were never her. The deployment of a part of the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR is not that. Nobody would give them nuclear weapons. In general, it is the same with strategic aviation, only planes were not seen as such a dangerous toy as nuclear weapons, so they left them in trouble.

[Jacket in stock]

Why do they need corvettes, and what do they need a fleet for?

Yes, for the same purpose for which Ukraine was invented in general - for the war against Russia.
If in fact there is money left in the budget, they can buy it. Turks, they are like that, will sell with joy. I'm not sure, however, that something will go to Ukrainian shipyards, most likely this is fantastic.
But our Black Sea Fleet present will be driven by one more.

[TermNachTer]

It seems that before the collapse of the Banderland, the Kuevo politicians are no longer afraid of anything, the main thing is to send the grandmother over the hill

[maktub]

Turkey's participation in the completion of the Vladimir the Great corvette is being considered

[Avior]

It is hard to believe in all this
Turkish corvettes are excessively large for a theater of military operations, as well as a corvette that has been under construction for a long time in Ukraine.
This means they will have an increased cost.
Corvette for the Black Sea - about 1,5 thousand tons. Saar -5, for example

[maktub]

Everything according to Urusky
From obs: - there is strong resistance from our manufacturers and part of the command of the Naval Forces of Ukraine

[Avior]

This is logical
The ships are redundant for Ukraine. As well as the corvette under construction in Ukraine.
But they still do not have zonal air defense.
The bosses can only skate on various foreign visits.

[maktub]

Probably the Turks offered the best conditions, especially with the transfer of technology and localization
I heard that the Turks are very interested in the "Luchev" technologies for ATGMs, there is an exchange

[Avior]

You need to look at the prices.

[bar]

Ukraine is leaning towards buying Turkish corvettes

Ukraine suddenly has money? Or the Turks, with their not very favorable economic situation, will provide loans for the purchase?

[ficus2003]

Quote: Livonetc

Why do they need corvettes, and what do they need a fleet for?
At the moment, the kraina is firmly becoming an agrarian power.
Almost 50% of GDP.
Moreover, he is engaged in agriculture in an extensive version.
Soon the oligarchs will completely abandon the industrial business such as metallurgy and the like, joining the agroindustry everywhere.

I am more worried about their nuclear power plants, almost all of 15 units have already exhausted their resource, so that they are extending it through one place like everything else in Ukraine, so another Chernobyl or several is just around the corner, but where will the wind blow? Maybe in the direction of Russia / Crimea / Belarus.

Even with the extension of their service life, they have an average of 10-15 years left, i.e. it was necessary to start building new nuclear power plants "yesterday" so that later suddenly not to be left without 50% of electricity, and this makes the new Chernobyl inevitable because putting the nuclear power plant out of operation on time would be too bad for the economy and they would drag this matter to the last, i.e. before the accident.

[Avior]

There is an excess of generating capacities in Ukraine.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Avior

There is an excess of generating capacities in Ukraine.

due to the pandemic and falling demand, they have already reduced energy production and stopped capacity by 50%. (even a little more)
I don’t understand why mankind is ruining its economy, because this will only worsen the position of the survival of billions. To save tens of thousands.

[Avior]

The relatively low mortality rate from covid lasts until medicine cope.
If medicine fails, the mortality rate will be completely different, much higher.
And those who openly give up and write off in advance - risk groups - may well not tolerate this, riots and riots will go, and this will lead to even greater losses.
And the fact that the production of electricity has been reduced, so the demand worldwide has fallen, and production.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Avior

Relatively low mortality from covid

reports from the front resemble war.
Moreover, the impression is formed that the death of Wait is solely from a pandemic. Although other reasons have not been canceled. But statistics are not voiced like this. The information background, of course, has already tired the layman. All these hundreds of thousands have long ceased to excite society.
Now draw the numbers for millions, nothing in the mind will change.
The mortality rate from a virus with symptoms of familiar diseases turned out to be very dire at first.

Quote: Avior

And those who openly give up and write off in advance - risk groups - may well not tolerate this, riots and riots will go, and this will lead to even greater losses.

so there are other patients who are not a priority.
And in general, the revolt of the sick in cold weather is poorly imagined.

Quote: Avior

And the fact that the production of electricity has been reduced, so the demand worldwide has fallen, and production.

recession is everywhere. Ukraine is no exception. It is good if they meet 5-6%.

[ficus2003]

Quote: x.andvlad

If not corvettes, then they will definitely buy Turkish drones. Their successful combat use of dill in Karabakh inspires their use in Donbass.

If Russia places the LPNR Tor-M2 in the right places, then Turkish shock drones will go astray and suddenly it will come to the realization that shock drones from a cool thing turn into worthless junk as soon as the enemy has a modern air defense system.

[Andylw]

saw UAVs gouging Tor-M2MK in Karabakh on November 9
the reconnaissance drone was driving him, but Thor did not see him!
then, kamikaze hammered
burned brightly
watch the video on YouTube from the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan on November 9

[Fungus]

It all depends on the operators. In Libya, these Turkish drones are often shot down.

[Bessik]

Well, you are lying, but know when to stop, Thor stood in the hangar and was not on alert

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

well, they write that money remained in the budget
and if not enough, they will give a loan
Ukrainian bonds on the market are buying up quickly

Ukraine can no longer sell its bonds at low interest rates as a normal country, everyone knows that there is a kirdyk and, in general, they buy short-term and at high interest rates. And because of the complicated situation with the IMF, it may become even worse. And in 2 years when JV2 comes into operation, it will block another $ 1-2 billion of Ukraine's income. We stock up on popcorn.

[Avior]

Regardless of JV2, Gazprom's contract provides for mandatory reservation of transit volumes across Ukraine.

[Andylw]

buy short-term and at high interest rates

now the percentage is lower than 5 years ago
old debts taken at a high interest rate, this year, Ukrainians are buying back for money taken at a low
this restructuring is called)))
so the cost of borrowing is reduced for ukraine

SP2 will not be in the next 10 years

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

saw UAVs gouging Tor-M2MK in Karabakh on November 9
the reconnaissance drone was driving him, but Thor did not see him!
then, kamikaze hammered
burned brightly
watch the video on YouTube from the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan on November 9

I also saw Pantsir-S being destroyed in Syria (the crew was sitting on the sidelines at that time and doing something there) - of course, this depends on the "professionalism" of the crew and on Russia providing additional information from its radars. If Russia puts Tor-M2, I think these 2 issues will also be resolved positively. And yes, the Torahs successfully wet drones in Syria (and those that fly from Idlib, and not that from the sea are launched by "unknown" forces), the Russian base wets all the drones with the Tori, after which the shells screwed up trying to get into small drones.

[Andylw]

uh huh, okay
good weapons, natives are crooked)))

[cniza]

The document sets out the intentions of the parties to start and implement joint projects for the construction of warships, unmanned aerial vehicles and all types of turbine engines.

The drones have already flown, but we'll wait and see on the corvettes, but it should be a shame for the horses, having such a potential, to buy from the Turks ...

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

now the percentage is lower than 5 years ago
old debts taken at a high interest rate, this year, Ukrainians are buying back for money taken at a low
this restructuring is called)))
so the cost of borrowing is reduced for ukraine

SP2 will not be in the next 10 years

And the Crimean Bridge will not be built either - for a pot this is a common state of consciousness, I can't judge.
And the national debt temporarily decreased only after the election of Zelensky - there was euphoria and everything went for the better, but after that the national debt began to grow again, so 2019 was pseudo-positive and 2020 again in negative territory. I do not give specific figures because this is a whole Talmud, you can see here:
https://index.minfin.com.ua/finance/debtgov/

[Andylw]

the absolute value of the debt is not important, the ability to service it is important
Ukraine is quite calmly servicing its debt
and her bonds are willingly bought

[Avior]

According to your link, Ukraine's national debt has consistently decreased from 81 percent of GDP in 2016 to 50 percent in 2019.
There is no data for 2020, the year is not over

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Avior

There is no data for 2020, the year is not over

there are fewer loans this year, but the year was unsuccessful for the entire economy.
As for the world.

[Avior]

That is, Ukraine's national debt has become even smaller?
We'll see at the end of the year.

[ficus2003]

Quote: Avior

Regardless of JV2, Gazprom's contract provides for mandatory reservation of transit volumes across Ukraine.

This "obligatory" transit used to be about 100-120 billion cubic meters, under the new contract 60 billion for the first year, and then only 40 billion, and even then only until 2025.

[ficus2003]

Quote: Avior

There is an excess of generating capacities in Ukraine.

Is there a big difference between the southwest and the whole of Ukraine - or are there facts that there is a surplus everywhere?

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: ficus2003

Is there a big difference between the southwest and the whole of Ukraine - or are there facts that there is a surplus everywhere?

the fall and recession of world production.
Falling demand. Excess production and, accordingly, shutdown of capacities.
On November 12, 2020, the power units of Ukrainian NPPs produced 195,46 million kWh.

[Avior]

There is a unified energy system in Ukraine since Soviet times.

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

the absolute value of the debt is not important, the ability to service it is important
Ukraine is quite calmly servicing its debt
and her bonds are willingly bought

What planet do you live on? on the one that I live Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe and the whole country and the president become cancer in order to get another loan from the IMF, otherwise the country is kirdyk, the budget for 2020 and the next are based on the assumption that the IMF will give a new loan, without it even pensions cannot be paid in full ...

[Andylw]

Ukraine has one of the lowest debt levels in Europe in relation to GDP
she serves him
this is the main thing for investors

[ibn.shamai]

Wherever they were not going to buy ships. But it didn’t work for free anywhere, they ask for all the pennies, but it’s dumb!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey can give a result - an increase in the military potential of the two countries.

Russia should take this into account, and with regard to Turkey, it is worth introducing restrictive measures on the travel of tourists there and the access of Turkish goods to our market.

That is why, for example, on the shelves of "Magnet" and "Pyatorochka" there is Turkish shaving foam from the firm "Arco", and the Russian foam "Svoboda" can be bought only via the Internet, but it is not on the shelves of these stores? Now count on the number of consumers in Russia and it turns out that we paid Turkey for its Bayraktar program and everything else, to the detriment of our producers !!!

[Bessik]

Does anyone else use this foam? Well, I don’t know, such a thing

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

You are probably confusing cream with foam. Have you seen this on the shelves of our stores? -

But full of Turkish - Arco, German - Nivey, American - Gillette.

100-150 rubles one piece, let's say once a year both men and women from 16 to 50 years old buy foam, this is roughly 70 million pieces, multiplying this by 100 rubles we get the market for shaving foam in Russia about 7 billion rubles a year (100 million dollars a year) for 10 years a billion dollars.

And besides the foam on our shelves, imported and washing powder and soap and toothpaste and razors.

At the same time, Russian goods are simply absent on the shelves of the largest retail chains - Magnita, Pyaterochka, Dixy, Letny.

In fact, this situation is just sabotage.

[Vadim Golubkov]

In 2019, videos were released on YouTube that Ukraine in 2020 will buy an F-15 from the United States, that the United States will give Ukraine 30 F-35 aircraft, Apache helicopters, that in 2021 the United States will urgently admit Ukraine to NATO. In the comments under the videos, the Maidanites still believe.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Vadim Golubkov

In the comments under the videos, the Maidanites still believe

even they don't believe it.
The US is a temporary ally, even they recognize it.
And bots on the Internet have a lot to do.

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

Ukraine has one of the lowest debt levels in Europe in relation to GDP
she serves him
this is the main thing for investors

For investors, the main thing is HOW it serves it, and it happens like this: Ukraine takes out new loans from the IMF at interest and spends half to pay off the interest of past loans. That is why Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, even than Albania.

[Andylw]

Ukraine takes new IMF loans at interest and spends half to pay off the interest of past loans

all countries with budget deficits do this
and such an absolute majority
this and next year, the Russian Federation will do the same

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: AndyLW

this and next year, the Russian Federation will do the same

Will not be. Something else is simpler. For it is expensive to take loans during the sanction time.

[svoit]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And he does the right thing. Since life shows that even the most seemingly reliable partner can throw nothing hesitating at any time.

Most likely this is a vicious practice, and it would be necessary to get rid of it as soon as possible.
1 complete set of spare parts will allow to maintain operation for 25 and more years
2 The use of imports makes products more competitive and faster to be adopted
3 If there is a war (God forbid), then replenishment of losses is unlikely to be relevant, because it is unlikely to last very long
4 If there are sanctions, then if there is a production base and time, import substitution will be possible.
It is more correct to produce with us under a license with a gradual increase in the degree of localization

Quote: ficus2003

otherwise the country kirdyk

Your words to God in the ears ... But unfortunately the situation is not as rosy as we would like. Russia's hybrid war is only in the imagination of the Nazis

[petrol cutter]

Allow / Allow.
And the missile boats in england in a series of six, or how many are planned?
At least the UA economy will master it? ..
For corvettes, what are the gentlemen planning to pay?! ..
Why are such inadequate solutions?
Those. load your shipbuildings and design bureaus with work and money - no money!
And load Turkish money is!
Miracles however.

[Borz]

Corvettes with elements of "stealth" -for fools a glass tube ?! Each combat unit of the enemy's fleet is instantly taken for escort by means of tracking and control of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. In the case of real databases on the Black Sea, the life of the ukroflot will be extremely short.

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

all countries with budget deficits do this
and such an absolute majority
this and next year, the Russian Federation will do the same

Blatant lies, Russia covers at the expense of its reserves and not IMF loans, and has been doing this for a long time.

[Andylw]

Blatant lies

RF finances budget deficit by increasing debt
and will increase even more next year
shame not knowing it)))
Oh no no no

[ficus2003]

Quote: AndyLW

RF finances budget deficit by increasing debt
and will increase even more next year
shame not knowing it)))
Oh no no no

Blah blah a la grandma on the bench I'm not interested, give data, for example, the budget structure for 2020 and 2021, how much money is there from the IMF? - Zero.

[Andylw]

how much money is there in the IMF?

Did I really talk about the IMF
what, there is nowhere else to take money?)))
RF borrows by placing its bonds

[Ovsigovets]

and shipbuilding in Ukraine YOK ...... hello Maktub ... tell us now about the ships for the Naval Fleet on the stocks

[maktub]

Both on, Ovsigovets, are you delusional?
Remind me when it was I for the ships on the stocks "botal"?
That in Nikolaev "corvette" readily 70 percent, he mentioned.
That the Turks are interested in cooperation on completion, too,
As for the fact that no one really knows which project from the British, too
What lied to?
Shpaka-did not take!

[maktub]

Amendment: - "corvette" readily corps ", further in the text

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: AndyLW

take on credit.
Harpoons from it will not fly worse from this)))))

it remains only to earn money for a loan

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: AndyLW

Cool corvette!
debugged in production, build quickly!
and a great addition to British missile boats
The Black Sea Fleet tensed a lot))))

what boats? (lazily chewing)))))))

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Someone else needs the cruiser "Ukraine" to "push".

as I understand it with shipbuilding, too, EVERYTHING ???)))) or are you building something on the stocks?

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: AndyLW

Cool corvette!
debugged in production, build quickly!
and a great addition to British missile boats
The Black Sea Fleet tensed a lot))))

bend your fingers)))) 18 boats from Britain .... corvette from Turkey ..... 72 F-16)))))) what else have you already fantasized there ???? Lie more and more lizhi in admiration)))) The story of halva and sweet in the mouth)))). And if you want, I will announce to you the budget of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the development and purchase of novya in 2020. You can then divide and multiply aloud ... and a bunch of Alder divisions or something)))) and a bunch of sexually mature fantasies))

[maktub]

Do you have something with the numbers "not cool", sat on the "glass"?

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Everything according to Urusky
From obs: - there is strong resistance from our manufacturers and part of the command of the Naval Forces of Ukraine

producers of what?

[maktub]

Resistance from "nikolayevets", KB "Luch" and even "Forge"

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: AndyLW

buy short-term and at high interest rates

now the percentage is lower than 5 years ago
old debts taken at a high interest rate, this year, Ukrainians are buying back for money taken at a low
this restructuring is called)))
so the cost of borrowing is reduced for ukraine

SP2 will not be in the next 10 years

we take a loan to pay off the previous debt))))) I treat people who live like this as complete degenerates who do not know how to live on their own .... the leadership of a country living like this should be treated as and for what purpose they lead this way

[bad]

Turks are now popular, and even more so for Ukraine

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: malo

Turks are now popular, and even more so for Ukraine

this is their new strong pansky penis)))) now they praise him and lick him))))) American failed, Polish failed)))) now "fapyut" in Turkish))))))) impotent mother his children

[maktub]

Nifiga yourself you have "gestalts"

[Ovsigovets]

the budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for 2021 for the purchase, modernization and repair of military equipment in the amount of UAH 22,7 billion. or 806 million dollars - and this is for EVERYTHING - for tanks, planes, helicopters, cartridges and cones))) .... the cost of 1 corvette "hell" at the minimum salary for the Turks is 260 million dollars .... divide and add) )) just look that the "Tucano" has enough with the "neptune"

[lvov_aleksey]

poor Turks, they will sue for a long time

[echo]

ukraine is the new American made banana republic its such a waste to see this nation being destroyed by fascist liberal scumbags and the people like sheep they just stay passive give them cookies maybe they will again try a revolution

[Ugochaves]

Quote: BrTurin

railway wheels and

The wheelsets are called

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Resistance from "nikolayevets", KB "Luch" and even "Forge"

in terms of building ships for the Navy ??? and with what they go into resistance with reasons? Do they have any experience in building a sensible corvette? Although, on the other hand, the longer "yours" butt, the further and further in time a possible corvette is possible ..... let them be against

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Do you have something with the numbers "not cool", sat on the "glass"?

I’ll once again offer you a link to the channel on YouTube “Splinter” - he also voices all your wishes there with his voice accompanied by bravura pictures... such a paradise for dreamers..... I just don’t write them down.... ..and here we can delve into the archive and find your dreams out loud for airplanes and for boats from the USA, and already from the World Bank......and about corvettes by the way...first Ukrainian corvettes, and now Turkish ones.. ..I’m telling you, what’s cool about the splinter is that you can open a video sheet there and click on your wet dreams by date...how did you conquer world domination with child prodigies a year ago...two years ago...three years ago and 4 years ago))))

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Both on, Ovsigovets, are you delusional?
Remind me when it was I for the ships on the stocks "botal"?
That in Nikolaev "corvette" readily 70 percent, he mentioned.
That the Turks are interested in cooperation on completion, too,
As for the fact that no one really knows which project from the British, too
What lied to?
Shpaka-did not take!

I didn’t mention the ships)))) you said that about the AN armadas for Chile))))) by the way, what’s wrong with the ANs? But your “slipways” really sunk into my soul.... such a cheerful positivity... you reminded me of the classic “I’m not a fat pig, but a body positive”

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Both on, Ovsigovets, are you delusional?
Remind me when it was I for the ships on the stocks "botal"?
That in Nikolaev "corvette" readily 70 percent, he mentioned.
That the Turks are interested in cooperation on completion, too,
As for the fact that no one really knows which project from the British, too
What lied to?
Shpaka-did not take!

By the way.... no one has ever denied the possibility of any cooperation of anyone, with anyone))))) it’s just that you (the uniting thing is you) are already vocally dominating the Black Sea Fleet and that the Russian Black Sea Fleet is already tense)))) ) funny... Ukraine and Turkey didn’t even sign a contract, let alone the laying of the ship took place..... And so in almost everything... And about the boats from the WB and about the boats from the USA.... And about the planes from the USA/Sweden......no real steps yet and only words, words, words....but the general mood “we are great and champions” is touching. I wrote that I am very critical in terms of “built”. While this is not standard in combat units, it simply does NOT exist.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: maktub

Nifiga yourself you have "gestalts"

Well, you’re the one making the claims against your internet “opinion leaders”