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Great and slandered Soviet Union

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Great and slandered Soviet Union

Posner declared about the "fascist features" of the USSR. This is a typical manifestation of a Westernizer who has been throwing mud at Soviet civilization for three decades and is introducing "universal" values ​​in Russia.


Interestingly, Vladimir Pozner, being a Soviet journalist, actively justified the policy of the USSR, including the introduction of troops into Afghanistan. However, after the collapse of the USSR, he quickly changed his color and became a singer of Western values. Posner himself in 2009 in an interview with Moskovsky Komsomolets admitted:

In Russia, only my job keeps me going. I am not a Russian person, this is not my homeland, I did not grow up here, I do not feel completely at home here - and I suffer a lot from this. I feel like a stranger in Russia.

This is an open westerner, whom the Russian writer Mikhail Zadornov called "a genius traitor." He works in Russia and uses our own funds to conduct enemy propaganda.

On the "totalitarianism" of the USSR


The Soviet Union was not a totalitarian state in the Western sense. Or the "evil empire." One of the methods of information warfare, when white is declared black and vice versa. For example, the greatest rulers of Russia, who solved the most important national tasks and brought the maximum benefit to the Russian state and people - Ivan the Terrible and Joseph Stalin. But in the West they created images of “bloody tyrants”, killer-ghouls. Pro-Western Russian activists have painted a corresponding picture in Russia itself. But the people at the subconscious level understand that they are being deceived. For the majority of Russian people, Ivan Vasilyevich and Stalin are their own people, great leaders who fought with the internal and external enemies of Russia-Russia. Hence the furious hatred of all Westerners towards them.

The real homeland of fascism, Nazism, racism and totalitarianism is Europe (the Western world as a whole). Fascism and Nazism, authoritarianism and totalitarianism were the responses of the Western world to the then crisis of capitalism. The Western world tried to create a "concentration camp" within the countries and direct the hatred of disadvantaged people outside, towards expansion and aggression. This is what caused a series of violent conflicts and wars. Second World War. The Soviet Union, on the contrary, avoided the crisis and moved forward quickly. To the future, to the stars. Therefore, the West gathered an all-European horde led by Hitler and launched another invasion of the East. However, the more spiritual, developed and advanced Soviet system gave a powerful rebuff and extended its borders to a significant part of Europe (including Poland and East Germany - the long-standing strongholds of Western civilization in the struggle against Russia). Soviet (Russian) civilization has become a beacon, a bulwark of good and justice for all mankind. The Russians were followed by the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Cubans and many other peoples.

"Cemetery of peoples"


It is difficult to find more totalitarian, Nazi and fascist states than the capitalist countries of the West. Russia, and then the USSR was called the "prison of peoples". But the West can be called a "cemetery of peoples." First, Rome destroyed the Slavic Russian civilization in central Europe ("Slavic Atlantis" in Central Europe), crushed the Celtic world. The West tried to break through to the East and South - crusades against Muslims and Slavs. But due to spiritual, cultural weakness, he could not achieve great success. Then the time came for the "Great Geographical Discoveries". The Western world conquered, enslaved and plundered most of America, Africa, Asia and the islands of the Atlantic, Indian and Pacific Oceans (Western prosperity was laid by the slave and drug trade; How the West enslaved the planet). Tens of millions of people around the planet were exterminated, tortured, sold into slavery. They were turned into drug addicts and slaves of the capitalist (slave-owning) moloch.

British racism, Italian fascism and Hitlerite Nazism were born of the Western world. Concentration camps, mass genocide, the division of people into "chosen" and "subhuman". The West has created the illusion of "democracy". Although, in fact, power in European countries and the United States belongs either to the old aristocracy or the financial oligarchy. All mayors, governors, deputies, senators and presidents only represent their interests. Exceptions are very rare. Like the last great Frenchman de Gaulle. There are more people behind bars in the "free" States than in the "totalitarian" Union.

Soviet democracy


The USSR was one of the freest countries in the world. It is clear that the Union was not an ideal country, there were none and there are none. However, if you can compare the general level of security, education and health care of the Soviet Union and the current Western countries, or the Russian Federation, where almost all systems and institutions were copied from the West, then the Soviet civilization looks much better. Many still remember that in the Soviet Union, children could safely walk all day long. That there were keys under the rugs or on the stud above the door. That schools and kindergartens were not closed with ugly fences, cameras were not installed, schoolchildren were not searched before exams. The stations were not closed on all sides with fences and bars, with a bunch of guards. And so it is everywhere. The whole country is a zone of "prison romanticism". Now also rivers, lakes, forests are becoming "private". Taxes will be requested shortly for picking mushrooms and berries. Soviet people lived more freely and at ease.

The Supreme Soviet of the USSR (the highest representative and legislative body of the USSR) is an excellent example of Soviet democracy. The best people of the country were gathered there, the real elite - workers, outstanding scientists and teachers, the military, etc. Moreover, most of the time they served or worked for the good of the country. They served in the ranks of the Soviet Army, were workers and collective farmers, teachers and doctors, scientists and inventors. Its members met twice a year to solve the most important problems, to pass laws. They were not drones like the current deputies who, out of idleness and in the course of imitation of violent activity, come up with idiotic bills. As well as officials similar to them in status. In particular, proposals have been voiced more than once to introduce lessons in information security and financial literacy, sex education, sobriety, healthy lifestyles, e-sports, traffic rules, ecology, etc., in schools. This is against the background of the total degradation of traditional mathematics, chemistry, Russian language, stories and geography.

In today's capitalist Russia (the periphery of the capitalist metropolis), the owners of enterprises, school directors, rectors, chief doctors, etc. have become a kind of lower layer of the new feudal lords. They are subject to financial flows. No one can object to them, otherwise they will be left without work, sources of livelihood, with a "wolf ticket". Everything was different in the USSR. Grassroots democracy existed in labor collectives and the organs of Soviet power. Any chief could be complained about, and an appropriate investigation was carried out. It was a genuine people's democracy.

Thus, only a Westerner who hates everything Russian and Soviet can see fascism in the USSR. For which America and Europe come first. And Russia is a “country of barbarians”, a fragment of the Soviet “empire of evil”, where the “scoop” (including Russianness) has not yet been completely eradicated.

Black mythology


Now the veil of lies hides from people the truth about the USSR, entangling them with numerous black myths. Numerous TV programs, historians and journalists such as Mlechin and Pozner have inspired and still inspire people that the USSR was an ignorant country, with science and technology hopelessly lagging behind the world. That Union was an ugly and unsuccessful social experiment on people. A country created by the German spy Lenin, where the executioner Stalin drove tens (or even hundreds) of millions of people into the camps. That in the USSR small peoples were destroyed, and communism was no different from Hitler's Nazism. That the USSR was a country of semi-literate slaves (scoops). That the tyrant Stalin, the executioner Beria and the war criminal Zhukov "overwhelmed" the Germans with corpses and only thus won the war. In the USSR, any freedom was suppressed, where people did not laugh, dressed badly and gray, and spent all the time outside of work in lines.

In reality, then Russia was a superpower and pursued global politics. Industrialization made the USSR a leading industrial power, producing literally everything from nails to spaceships. In the 1980s, the Union was among the world leaders in robotics and machine tool building. Our culture and education were the best in the world. The state of Lomonosov, Pushkin, Pirogov, Sechenov, Tolstoy, Tsiolkovsky and Korolev. Nowadays Russia is a "gas station country", a supplier of raw materials, cultural and resource periphery of the West and East.

Soviet (Russian) civilization was the world of the future, facing the stars. To understand this, it is enough to ask the question: “Was there a period or society in world history when all people in any country lived like people, humanly? According to the principles of freedom, brotherhood, kindness, justice, conscience and love. " The honest answer is no! Another question: “Was there a period in world history when a lot of people, an entire civilization, a huge power, not in dreams, but in political reality, lived to the greatest extent as people, humanly? It was a community (commune) of people, conciliar and united, living according to the laws of justice, brotherhood and help to one's neighbor. The society, which was becoming kinder and more generous to its members, took care that each new generation of people became more developed, more educated, more cultured and happier. " The only direct and honest answer is the Soviet Union under Stalin's rule. By inertia - the period of Khrushchev and even the late Brezhnev.

Soviet people lived full, eventful lives, with faith in a bright future. Confident in the security of the country. To this day, the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, Soviet scientists and creators, cosmonauts and athletes are the best people of our civilization. Genuine specimens of humanity. And Soviet films and cartoons are full of real human values, meanings, in contrast to the current trash heap. People then were masters of their country, now there are “masters” of people.

Thus, the Soviet society - in contrast to the current slave-owning (consumer) capitalist society - provided the common man with previously unprecedented freedom, social justice and confidence in the future. Soviet society had a huge potential for creation and improvement. It is not lost even now. It is obvious that simple copying of the USSR is pointless, but the best developments of socialism in the form of socialization of property, state planning and control, true democracy (councils), solidarity and communality, social justice and brotherhood of peoples, the foundations of education, health care and mass physical culture are necessary to preserve Russia and people.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 15 November 2020 06: 14
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    Soviet society exchanged everything for jeans and other imported things that the citizens of the USSR loved so much, but I liked the power of the union, when the USSR expressed concern, one half of the world did it in pants, and the other pretended to be asleep and did not hear anything.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 November 2020 06: 42
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Soviet society

      not "society" ... some.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 15 November 2020 06: 50
        +2
        Yes, yes, some members of the society got out imported things and equipment, and the rest envied them and also wanted to get it smile
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 15 November 2020 07: 21
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          Yes, yes, some members of the society got out imported things and equipment, and the rest envied them and also wanted to get it smile

          Many got themselves out, but not all were yelling that everything needed to be destroyed for the sake of free access to imported junk. And there were those who did not get it and did not die from it. You don't need one size fits all revenge, and Soviet society still exists today and, as before, is very dissatisfied with the venal souls and their system.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 15 November 2020 08: 08
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            . Soviet society - in contrast to the current slave-owning (consumer) capitalist society - provided the common person with unprecedented freedom, social justice and confidence in the future

            I subscribe to every word. Great article.
            1. stone
              stone 15 November 2020 08: 22
              -65 qualifying.
              What nonsense! Forgotten everything, but I remember how my parents stormed grocery stores in the hope of buying sausage! All and everywhere by pull. A car is an inaccessible luxury! Continuous drunkenness and cult of criminality of a thug. This is such freedom and social justice!
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 15 November 2020 08: 55
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                Quote: stone
                parents stormed grocery stores hoping to buy sausage

                Now too stormedif the sausage was at a cheap price (as before) and there would still be meat in it (as before). Don't believe me?

                And don't say that it's not about the price at all, but about the deficit! After all, your parents didn’t stormed where the same sausage was sold completely free, just a ruble more expensive.

                Quote: stone
                Continuous drunkenness and cult of criminality of a thug

                Well, yes, well, yes ... But the superpower, which was in no way inferior to the United States, was somehow built.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 15 November 2020 19: 01
                  -18 qualifying.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Now they would have stormed too, if the sausage was at a cheap price (as before) and still had meat in it (as before). Don't believe me?

                  It was just stupid that there was no meat or sausage. Born in 1973, graduated from school in 1990, the city of Frunze, Kyrgyz SSR, the capital. To get an apartment, you have to be someone’s matchmaker, brother, honorary communist and still someone’s acquaintance from the “powers that be”. I have one uncle climbed into the Council of Ministers of the republic, another joined the party to be taken to the plant named after Lenin (defense industry, produced cartridges), they did not take communists stupidly. all for an apartment and a better salary. Mom born in 1951 says that early 1973 is not a damn thing better. Don't believe me? However, the truth! request Now minus. laughing
                  1. KERMET
                    KERMET 15 November 2020 19: 26
                    17
                    I am 74 years old and everything was exactly the opposite - someone is either lying or your case is not an indicator for the entire USSR
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 15 November 2020 19: 31
                      -11 qualifying.
                      Quote: KERMET
                      I am 74 years old and everything was exactly the opposite - someone is either lying or your case is not an indicator for the entire USSR

                      Well, all people are different, the situation and conditions are different. What I remember is what I write about. Maybe you and I live in different worlds. request
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 16 November 2020 08: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: KERMET
                      someone is either lying or your case is not an indicator for the entire USSR

                      And the regional centers and villages of the Tula, Ryazan, Tombovskaya, Omsk, Chita, Poltava regions, Altai, Krasnoyarsk territories ... is this an indicator of the entire USSR?
                      Quote: KERMET
                      I'm 74 years old

                      Those. you began to evaluate the world around you more or less in 88 ... i.e. coupons for soap, sugar, wine and vodka, "buyer's card", "order" - you should have seen it all!
                      Quote: KERMET
                      someone or lies

                      Exactly ... who is lying or did not realize by the childish naivety of what is happening!
                      1. Esoteric
                        Esoteric 16 November 2020 16: 02
                        0
                        I remember perfectly how such an ordinary thing as a telephone was impossible to carry home. Only by the greatest pull. Nonsense too?
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                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 15 November 2020 22: 41
                      -3
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      I didn't even know. thanks, enlightened. I understand that your parents were drunks and idlers

                      I do not know who your parents are, but their child is a noble boor, whose intellect is only enough to insult other people's parents whom he does not know at all. Well, of course, because he already has:
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      I personally received 4 diplomas: in absentia,

                      and he writes the word with four diplomas in this way:
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      enlightened.

                      Well, education, well, upbringing, well, intelligence! fellow
                      1. begemot20091
                        begemot20091 16 November 2020 00: 34
                        +5
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        and he writes the word with four diplomas in this way:
                        Quote: begemot20091
                        enlightened.

                        It is written absolutely correctly - learn "great Russian". After all, there is not in the sense of "taught". (By the way, in your speech, offhand, I picked 5 mistakes - so we will not measure intelligence. I have enough of my "merlin" - students for a mentor). And I did not offend your parents - you insulted them. And if in the 30s your parents lived in Kyrgyzstan, then they (and other Russians) were also defended together with their colleagues: after the Fergana events, "funny races in Osh" began.
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 16 November 2020 08: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: begemot20091
                        if in 30's your parents lived in Kyrgyzstan, then they (and other Russians) were also defended together with their colleagues

                        And what happened in the 30s in Kyrgyzstan?
                        Quote: begemot20091
                        after the Ferghana events, "funny races in Osh" began.

                        In Osh and Fergana, whom did you defend ....?
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 16 November 2020 10: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And what happened in the 30s in Kyrgyzstan?

                        Salam, Sergey! He probably fought against the Basmachi underground .. repeat I did not know that such people visit the VO forum. repeat
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 16 November 2020 11: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        I did not know that such people visit the VO forum

                        And they say that in Russia medicine has died completely !!!! Look how the 100-year wars are annealing! laughing
                    2. begemot20091
                      begemot20091 24 November 2020 00: 40
                      0
                      in the 90s. sorry. 89 - 90 years. Kuvasay, Tashlak, Margelan ... And then they transferred to Osh. From there he quit.
                    3. Serg65
                      Serg65 24 November 2020 08: 37
                      0
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      Kuvasay, Tashlak, Margelan.

                      387 OPP?
                      Quote: begemot20091
                      And then they transferred to Osh

                      Interesting ... as far as I know, in Osh, the paratroopers of the 51st State Police Inspectorate established the legal order ...
                    4. begemot20091
                      begemot20091 25 November 2020 18: 42
                      0
                      now everyone knows a lot. that's all. and the police, and the soldiers from Lithuania were in the Fergana region (some of them I don't remember, they are too old for reminiscences. (I didn’t ask from the Kyrgyz side). I remember only one thing well that their police were "hacked", hiding behind fences that were built unprecedentedly soon, like recently in Kyrgyzstan),
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 16 November 2020 10: 56
                -1
                Quote: begemot20091
                And if in the 30s your parents lived in Kyrgyzstan, then they (and other Russians) were also defended together with their colleagues: after the Fergana events, "funny races in Osh" began.

                Some of my ancestors lived on the territory of Kyrgyzstan, since the end of the 19th century, what kind of "Fergana events of the 30s" were there, in which you defended the Russians? They themselves (with arms in hand) and the Cossacks defended my ancestors during the so-called "uprising of 1916", when part of the Kyrgyz clans themselves began to slaughter Slavic settlers. I met the Osh events of 1990 personally, what can you tell me about them there?
        2. Igool
          Igool 16 November 2020 02: 10
          10
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Get an apartment, you have to be someone's matchmaker

          Don't lie like that. I was born in 1960. At the age of three my parents divorced. Mom raised me alone, in 1979, she was given a two-room apartment in a new house, with an excellent layout, because heterosexual, therefore two rooms. She worked as a simple worker, before that she lived in a dorm-type house with a shared toilet. As a child, I ran to a small grocery store, 100 meters away from us, there was everything we needed and even more. The assortment, though not the same as now, but the quality is excellent. And who needed milk from 5-6 producers in the USSR? The milk was not made of powder, but natural pasteurized, which after 3 days turned sour, and did not stand for a month and did not start to stink. A ring of cream appeared on the neck of the bottle. Then they began to pour them into tetrapacks, but they did not disappear in the bottles either. Sweets were plentiful, for every wallet, dates, figs, etc., all were freely available. Yummy. And the buns in the school buffet, my favorites with poppy seeds, are a meal.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 16 November 2020 08: 28
            -3
            Quote: Igool
            Mom raised me alone, in 1979, she was given a two-room apartment in a new house, with an excellent layout, because heterosexual, therefore two rooms. She worked as a simple worker, before that she lived in a dorm-type house with a shared toilet

            Those. to get a kopeck piece in a new house, your parents had to divorce?
            Quote: Igool
            As a child, I ran to a small grocery store, 100 meters away from us, there was everything we needed and even more

            Quote: Igool
            Sweets were plentiful, for every wallet, dates, figs, etc.

            In which city did you spend your childhood, if not a secret?
            1. Igool
              Igool 16 November 2020 18: 58
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              Those. to get a kopeck piece in a new house, your parents had to divorce?

              Are you not friends with mathematics at all? 1960 + 3 = 1963. Apartment in 1979. Kaunas
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 17 November 2020 07: 37
              0
              Quote: Igool
              Kaunas

              Ahhh, Kaunas .... Soviet showcase of socialism ?! Well, yes, Kaunas is not some kind of Mtsensk for you !!!!
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 16 November 2020 11: 01
          -3
          Quote: Igool
          Don't lie like that

          Another captain is obvious ... fool As we had, then he wrote. But some keyboard fighters have a different opinion from their own, of course a lie. request laughing
          1. Igool
            Igool 16 November 2020 19: 07
            +4
            Quote: Tank Hard
            As we had, then he wrote.

            Probably in Kyrgyzstan - this was due to their national flavor. It was not for nothing that even in Soviet times, it was highlighted that they jumped from feudal relations immediately into socialism, bypassing the capitalist system. Perhaps I was wrong about you. Or maybe it affects that my childhood began earlier
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 17 November 2020 13: 16
            +5
            I would suggest to both not to lie, and not to pull the needle out of the pillow. Under the Soviet Union, poverty was (mainly in the form of lack of housing), and the fight against this very poverty (as a task). This is me as a "keyboard fighter" born in 1971, who grew up in my parents' room in a communal apartment, I testify. The then Soviet "crony" of course infuriated him, but he had an ideological rule at least, and secondly, in terms of the degree of demoralizing influence, that "Soviet crony" was hysterically ridiculous in comparison with the current privileges of the "chosen" parasites and their "effective" lackeys.
          3. Igool
            Igool 18 November 2020 00: 00
            +2
            Quote: andrew42
            Under the Soviet Union and poverty was (mainly in the form of lack of housing),

            And where did you see what I would argue. that there was no poverty or cronyism? I myself have experienced all this on my own skin. He also did not claim that everything was in excess. All this is true, but in my childhood everything was in order with food in grocery stores, I do not claim for other regions, I say about myself that I saw.
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 16 November 2020 16: 11
        +2
        I remember the same very well. I was seven years old. My mother and I went to a grocery store. And she asks there to sell her butter, which is not on the window. From the underground there.
        Telling her what mom is buying? She is margarine to me, because it’s a queue, everyone wants butter. And I'm still small, not smart, I start the whole line, they say what kind of margarine, this is butter. And it went in turn, small - "Oil, oil, thrown away." It did not go on sale, but it was "thrown out", a slang in Soviet times of universal abundance. Nothing, grew up, and on Saturday morning, once every two weeks by train, to Moscow, to eat to buy.
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 16 November 2020 07: 09
      +6
      It was just stupid that there was neither meat nor sausage

      Re-read your training manual, you got it wrong.
      But there was a lot of meat, around any city there were many collective farms where cattle were raised.
      On sausage, the claims to the union are not in the absence of sausage, but in a small number of sausage varieties, in contrast to the West, which has a huge varietal variety, achieved by dividing into lines with an expensive and cheap product with the addition of soy, navels and sinews in the sausage.
      Union sausage was of high quality meat, but the range was low.
      But today, food chemistry on the mixing of soy, dextrin and palm oil has replaced natural products.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 16 November 2020 08: 35
        -1
        Quote: nickname7
        Re-read your training manual

        laughing Throw out yours !!!
        Quote: nickname7
        But the meat was full,

        Aha ... just heaps !!! Only by the "Buyer's card" and only in the "Order table", and if the wallet allowed it, then in Cooptorg and on the Market!
        Quote: nickname7
        On sausage, claims against the union are not in the absence of sausage, but in a small number of varieties of sausage

        Eh .. where else on the periphery could this small number of varieties be found? !!
        Quote: nickname7
        navels and tendons in the sausage.

        Are you a sausage technologist?
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 16 November 2020 08: 00
      +3
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Now minus.

      hi Danil is healthy!
      Well, you are a knife in the heart of admirers of the "wonderful life"! recourse
      I am 9 years older and I have even more memories of "happy times" laughing I can tell you what an ordinary Soviet person had to do to buy a color TV, a coveted carpet on the wall, upholstered furniture ... in the only Furniture store in the whole city, but about the dream of many Soviet citizens - the Romanian wall ... a whole article can be written! !!! And you can also tell about "London", "Paris", "Shanghai", "Karpinka" and how ordinary Soviet people lived there in the long-term expectation of normal, human housing !!! It was different in the USSR ... there was good, but there was also bad, so you shouldn't talk with a breath about the general "happy life" of the entire Soviet people !!!
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 November 2020 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        Danil is healthy!
        Well, you are a knife in the heart of admirers of the "wonderful life"!
        I am 9 years older and I have even more memories of "happy times" I can tell you what an ordinary Soviet man had to do to buy a color TV, a coveted carpet on the wall, upholstered furniture .. in the only Furniture store in the whole city, but about the dream of many Soviet citizens, the Romanian wall ... a whole article can be written !!!! And you can also tell about "London", "Paris", "Shanghai", "Karpinka" and how ordinary Soviet people lived there in the long-term expectation of normal, human housing !!! It was different in the USSR ... there was good, but there was also bad, so you shouldn't talk with a breath about the general "happy life" of the entire Soviet people !!!

        Hello again, Sergey!
        It's just that with all the really powerful component of the USSR (like science, space, what is the first satellite and the first manned flight into space, and other really great things). there were many and not the best. But for some reason everyone has already forgotten about it and only a beautiful legend remains. I do not like to lie and encourage lies. But not everyone likes the truth. And now I am already a liar, a traitor, parents of a drunkard, etc., etc. request
        I was born in Rabochiy Gorodok, in an adobe house with no prospects for better housing. I remember what monstrous stress it cost my parents to move to a comfortable apartment. And it did not even take ten years. And I remember everything else. You wrote correctly. That was how it was. hi
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 16 November 2020 14: 25
          -1
          Quote: Tank Hard
          I was born in Rabochy Gorodok

          what Rabochiy Gorodok .... Krasnaya street ..... I sneeze her ear ... so I wound circles am laughing
        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 16 November 2020 16: 43
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Rabochiy Gorodok .... Krasnaya street ..... I sneeze her ear ... so I wound circles

          Rabochy Gorodok .. Kochkorskaya street was crossed by Krasnaya street (here's the case bully )... childhood.. wink
  2. andrew42
    andrew42 17 November 2020 13: 08
    +4
    What can I say. And this was, and is happening .. Especially in the "Bay" republic. Only now is this situation of a "wicked fiscal slave" milked to the ground - in 85% of the population. And there is no "deficit", since the purchasing power of the majority tends to zero, especially after paying for utilities, schools / kindergartens and hospitals. The shortage of goods was transformed into a shortage of bills in the pocket, and increased significantly (though not by an order of magnitude). The country's population is perceived as a heavy non-core asset subject to "optimization". Economics for whom? - For the country! - And for the people of this country? - did not hear her.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 15 November 2020 09: 57
    31
    Continuous drunkenness and cult of criminality of a thug

    Well, yes - "they have sake, geisha and kendo - and we have booze, women and stabbing." laughing
    1. stone
      stone 15 November 2020 11: 03
      -19 qualifying.
      And don't say that it's not about the price at all, but about the deficit! After all, your parents didn’t stormed the co-distributors, where the same sausage was sold completely freely, just a ruble more expensive.

      Are you laughing ?! They were simple hard workers, they did not have enough to pay with store prices!
      And for the future, no one took the sausages and the rest of the deficit. They gave in one hand a certain amount! So do not tell tales about cheap sausage. Of course, I don't take Moscow into account. Everything was different there. However, as now, the current is not food and clothes, but money, everything is in Moscow.
      Well, yes, well, yes ... But the superpower, which was in no way inferior to the United States, was somehow built.

      Not with anything?! good laughing
      1. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 12: 16
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        stone
        I understand that you did not live in the USSR, or you were a very small child. Give me examples of scarcity in the late 60s - 70s, early 80s. I remember how in 1963 I stood in line for bread, it was. Well, then everything was all right. Honestly, I don’t remember such a big shortage (except for the shortage of jeans).
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          1. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 18: 50
            15
            Imobile (Igor
            Change the training manual. My father did not queue up in 1953 to buy a car - Moskvich 412 in 1973. By the way, in the late 60s, I saw myself, in the late XNUMXs, a washing machine with two drums, one was for washing, the other was spinning. If I am not mistaken, the brand was Caucasus. Regarding the countryside, google what happened to the Russian outback after "optimization"
            Forgot to mention toilet paper. It happens.
          2. Imobile
            Imobile 15 November 2020 20: 20
            -13 qualifying.
            Yes, about now I'm not talking about this continuation of "then". Mine, too, "got" a car and not an ugly Muscovite, but a fret (export version that did not break). But others were standing. I have not heard about the Caucasus
          3. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 20: 36
            14
            Imobile (Igor
            As you say, don't la-la! For its time, "Muscovite" was on the level! And not ugly at all. A machine of its time and its class.
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 15 November 2020 20: 26
          18
          First about the critics of the USSR and Stalin... They have multiplied today in Russia among the RICH people, there are a lot of "high society" (they also call themselves "elite"). Why? Because, getting out to the top, to positions, fame and good security, these little people go all the way. No, there are, of course, those who at that time act sincerely, trying to earn a high position and fame by honest work and talent with strong moral convictions and views. But the majority are opportunists, they lie and dodge as best they can, clambering up. And, having reached a certain high level of position, prosperity and independence, they, intoxicated with impunity, begin to pour out the essence of their vile souls. And we are all beginning to be amazed at the depth of baseness, blackness, meanness and inconsistency of their current ideals declared by them before.
          About V.V. Poznier Long intricate fate for this Franco-American-German-Soviet-Russian "Russian"! There is no need to describe and comment on it: everyone, if desired, can consider it in detail - a lot has been written about it - and think it over. I will only say that this gentleman migrated from a Russophile, an ardent communist and secretary of the party committee to a Francophile, Russophobe, anti-communist, anti-Stalinist and anti-Soviet. And now his views true: he is too old and has nothing to hide! And in Russia, which is a burden to him, he simply earns a lot of money on DH out of necessity. If the work is over, he will leave this country that has become hateful to him without regret!
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 16 November 2020 14: 59
          +4
          And more about the USSR, Stalin and Pozner.
          About the USSR. I will not talk much and in detail about history, all the advantages and disadvantages of the USSR, this is far from sinless state, which has a large number of shortcomings, omissions and mistakes. But, I believe that in terms of the totality of its merits, the USSR is the highest period of development of the Russian state FOR THE PEOPLE in the entire history of Russia. I believe that as a person who has lived in the USSR for 44 years and has seen everything with his own eyes, I have the right to such an opinion. The USSR has gone forever into history, but someday a similar state will arise in the place of Russia.

          About Stalin. I will not talk a lot about all the advantages and disadvantages of a long-term the main leader of the USSR - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (Lenin was the founder, the subsequent ones were more or less successful successors, Khrushchev was the founder of the collapse, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin were the grave-diggers of the USSR). Like the USSR, Stalin had many shortcomings, omissions, mistakes made in the most difficult, tense and crucial moments of the formation, development and strengthening of the USSR. But personalities of such a scale - world historical - are always considered in conjunction with the development of their states and their influence on all world politics. Therefore, J.V. Stalin undoubtedly entered world history with a plus sign as the leader of the powerful and authoritative USSR. And in Russian history, he is on a par with Peter and Catherine the Great.

          About Pozner. This far from stupid erudite gentleman penetrated the upper layers of power in Russia in a long, winding way with the sole purpose of changing their worldview and attitude towards the West by massively influencing the public consciousness of Russians through the powerful propaganda of the main media. For the benefit of the West, of course, not Russia. The years of hard work have passed, they are almost over. So what? Disappointment: the years of hard work on "reforging" the consciousness of Russians went down the drain, Russians are NOT reforging themselves, they are still wary of crafty "friends", do not believe their insidious promises and remain RUSSIAN patriots. No, they managed to seduce someone, but those are pitiful crumbs, hence the current sadness of Posner ...
          I have no data, but I will not be particularly surprised if someday I find out that Posner himself or one of his protégés are employees of some special services. Sleeping for the time being.
        4. andrew42
          andrew42 17 November 2020 13: 27
          +4
          "The USSR has gone forever into history, but someday a similar state will emerge in the place of Russia." - Well said. We are on the way. He smiled about "Posner's sadness". However, the modern "Posner" clogging all possible broadcasts is multifaceted, impudent and tendentious. Therefore, the old man sometimes evokes a semblance of nostalgia for "pure and light" admonitions to the "children of the Soviet world." Lisa Patrikeevna leaves, being replaced by a gang of insolent, grunting and intellectually belching "boars" of the media.
      2. t-12
        t-12 16 November 2020 20: 13
        +3
        And now his views are true: he is too old and has nothing to hide!
        He does not have any views, the person stupidly fulfills his salary. They used to pay for articles on the greatness of socialism, now they pay for articles on the gulags and the ineffective Soviet economy. If tomorrow they start paying for the propaganda of socialism again, Posner will quickly repaint and praise the wise Stalin.
    2. karima
      karima 15 November 2020 21: 41
      -7
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      By the way, I myself saw, in the late 60s, a washing machine with two drums, one had a wash, the other was spinning.
      Wasn't there a third for drying?
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 19
      0
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      If I am not mistaken, the brand was Caucasus.

      what Eureka, Vyatka, Siberia ... I remember, I don't remember the Caucasus!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 21: 30
    +7
    Quote: Imobile
    We didn't even know about it, I remember someone found out about washing machines that wash themselves and the drum can be seen, so it was akin to a moonwalker in every house in developed countries ... There were no jeans at all! They were given

    Judging by your spelling, you did not study during the Soviet era. In the mid-80s, everything was fine with the supply in the villages, at least in the Kuban. Moreover, the same scarce jeans, as well as other "shortages", could be bought in the village if he handed over the products from his backyard not to the market, but to the state. So you are lying, "dear".
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 21
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    at least in the Kuban.

    Well, if we assume that the entire USSR was limited by the borders of Krasnodar paradise ... then yes !!! laughing good
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 16 November 2020 08: 45
    -1
    Because it is scarce, because they fed a lot of countries that were hungry in additions, denying themselves everything.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 November 2020 19: 12
    -6
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    I understand that you did not live in the USSR, or you were a very small child.

    Born in 1973, graduated from school in 1990, the city of Frunze, the capital of the Kyrgyz SSR, mother was born in 1951, I confirm that

    stone
    absolutely right. You may not believe it, your right. request
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 19: 24
      10
      Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer)
      It is clear that they began their "mature" life in the "dashing" 90s. In other words, you do not know the USSR, or you only know from the stories of your elders. Unfortunately, human memory is highly selective. What was good in the USSR you do not know or do not want to know, you only know the bad. Like a "prison of nations" or "bloody tyrant" with the Gulag.
      Are there any objections to "optimization"?
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 November 2020 19: 29
      -4
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      Are there any objections to "optimization"?

      And what are you with the satisfaction of the USSR for optimization, so sharply? wink
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      It is clear that they began their "mature" life in the "dashing" 90s. In other words, you do not know the USSR, or you only know from the stories of your elders. Unfortunately, human memory is highly selective. What was good in the USSR you do not know or do not want to know, you only know the bad.

      I remember the country well since 1980, my mother was born in 1951, she does not remember abundance. request
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      Like a "prison of nations" or "bloody tyrant" with the Gulag.

      Well, that's a topic for another conversation. request
    3. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 20: 48
      +9
      Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer)
      About "optimization" I compare what was in the USSR and now. You understand the comparison. I agree with you - there was no abundance, but there was abundance. Honestly - did your mother complain about her youth? Told you it was bad?
      Yes, there was everything, but to be honest, I get angry when my Motherland is hated, such as Posner, Nevzorov and others like them.
    4. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 November 2020 22: 36
      -3
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      About "optimization" I compare what was in the USSR and now.

      Why compare? The funny thing is that yesterday's communists and Komsomol members are optimizing. laughing
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      I agree with you - there was no abundance, but there was abundance. Honestly - did your mother complain about her youth? Told you it was bad?

      The point is not that everything was bad, the point is that one should not lie that everything was good. And then here on VO, which is not an article about the USSR, then a laudatory ode. There was good and there was bad. No need to juggle. And then they write about piles of cheap sausage, but I remember that you can't find this sausage at all. Mom is a pensioner, a retired captain, according to her now she eats better than in her youth sometimes. At the same time, I am not inclined to praise the current leadership.
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      Yes, there was everything, but to be honest, I get angry when my Motherland is hated, such as Posner, Nevzorov and others like them.

      I don’t understand why they haven’t been planted yet. request
    5. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 16 November 2020 06: 49
      16
      Tank Hard (Daniel von Messer)
      And then they write about piles of cheap sausage, but I remember that you can't find this sausage at all.
      Zadolbal already with my sausage, I myself was born in 1973 and not a star, the sausage was both doctoral and smoked, and the sausage was according to GOST and from meat, and not from soy as now. And then, what can you not live without sausage? Or are they ready to sell their souls to the devil for sausage, as they sold their homeland for jeans and chewing gum?
    6. Serg65
      Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 37
      0
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      I myself was born in 1973

      Right from the hospital went out and got a raw smoked nipple?
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      Or are they ready to sell their souls to the devil for sausage, as they sold their homeland for jeans and chewing gum?

      what And you, my friend, are you selling your homeland for now?
    7. Tank hard
      Tank hard 16 November 2020 11: 06
      -1
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      Zadolbal already with my sausage, I myself was born in 1973 and not a star, the sausage was both doctoral and smoked, and the sausage was according to GOST and from meat, and not from soy as now. And then, what can you not live without sausage? Or are they ready to sell their souls to the devil for sausage, as they sold their homeland for jeans and chewing gum?

      It would be possible to talk to a sane person on this topic. But talking to boors is pointless. Good wind to the Alps with a detachment.
    8. Esoteric
      Esoteric 16 November 2020 16: 28
      -1
      Are you a communist? So should agree with the founders. "The workers do not have a homeland. You cannot take away from them what they do not have ..." seems to be Marx, from the "Manifesto of the Communist Party." Communist ideology. Hence the monuments, for example to Judas.
      "A plaster idol threatening the sky was erected on the eve of Leon Trotsky's entry to the island of Sviyazhsk. Judas was covered with a cannon cover and armed guards were set up. In the morning of the next day, the People's Commissar for Military Affairs, who arrived on the island, ordered a meeting to be held, where he made an incendiary speech, in which he equated Judas Iscariot to the first ever Protestant, revolutionary, rebel with violence and arbitrariness "
      He really didn't stand for long. The working class smashed it to pieces.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 34
    +2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    About "optimization" I compare what was in the USSR and now.

    And how many villages were "optimized" under the Union? How was medicine in rural areas "optimized"?
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Yes, there was everything, but to be honest, I get angry when my Motherland is hated, such as Posner, Nevzorov and others like them.

    That's it ... there was everything .. both bad and good .. and this is our history, the history of our country! I am just as angry when they hate my Motherland, but I am no less angry when history is turned upside down for the sake of a worthless political idea! Time does not stand still and Russia is developing, going its own way, and I consider those who in the past want to earn points in the struggle for power to be traitors to the Motherland!
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 23
    -1
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    In other words, you do not know the USSR, or you only know from the stories of your elders.

    what Do you know? Judging by your stories, you lived in a large industrial city and what happened in the outback did not affect you!
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 26
    -2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Like a "prison of nations" or "bloody tyrant" with the Gulag.

    laughing Eco throws you ... off the sausage and into jail !!! Yes, by the way, do not enlighten .. who built BAM? Komsomol members or soldiers with prisoners?
  • Bumblebee_3
    Bumblebee_3 16 November 2020 10: 33
    +3
    Serg65 (Sergey)
    I will not say for sure who built the BAM, but being in the student construction brigade, I also took part a little, in 1974 and 1975.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 10: 51
    0
    Standing detachments are a separate song ... youth, romance ... good
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 November 2020 11: 11
    -2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    I will not say exactly who built the BAM, but being in the student construction brigade, I also took part a little, in 1974 and 1975

    Yes, there are those who cannot say for sure very much. But for some reason they know exactly better than me who I am, who my ancestors were, who my parents are, from whom they protected us, for which I sold my homeland ... repeat
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  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 21: 36
    +2
    Quote: Imobile
    Everything was in the republics. I specifically write in every message to the RSFSR

    And again you are lying. And not only are you lying, you are also trying to sow the seeds of nationalism here. The supply could indeed differ, but rather not from republic to republic, but along the edges and regions.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 November 2020 23: 01
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And again you are lying.

    Whoever has a different opinion from you is definitely lying. And only one you, captain, is obvious. wink
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 23: 08
    +1
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Whoever has a different opinion from you is definitely lying. And only one you, captain is obvious

    Do you disagree that nationalism is bad? With the fact that in multinational Russia nationalism will lead to the collapse of the country and interethnic conflicts? The supply could indeed differ, but not across the republics, but along the edges and regions, isn't that so? If you don't remember yourself, ask those who remember.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 November 2020 23: 18
    -3
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    The supply could indeed differ, but not across the republics, but along the edges and regions, isn't that so? If you don't remember yourself, ask those who remember

    I'll start from the end. wink I have already written about the supply of food, about the salaries that I saw at the market price (the black market, of course, in the state store you can't buy), for example, the Volga at 10000 (+, -) approximately rubles and a cooperative apartment at 4000 rubles with salaries of 90-120 rubles wrote on average. I repeat, the city of Frunze, the capital of the Kirghiz SSR, is not yet the wilderness in those days.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Do you disagree that nationalism is bad? With the fact that in multinational Russia nationalism will lead to the collapse of the country and interethnic conflicts?

    The issue is very controversial and is not the subject of this discussion. But the supporters of globalism, for example, are against national identity, moreover, they are for an impersonal gender. I don't like the ideas of globalism. repeat
  • Igool
    Igool 16 November 2020 02: 21
    +1
    Quote: Tank Hard
    with salaries of 90-120 rubles

    In 1989, after school, he got a job at a factory and after training, he worked as a turner of the third category, earning 200-220 rubles. My teacher, had the 6th category, received about 300 rubles. Your 90-120, office salaries in the design bureau, where they didn't really work, but they were playing the fool. But you forgot to tell about additional bonuses to these salaries, such as bonuses, the 13th salary, etc. Almost the same number ran over them.
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 16 November 2020 05: 41
    +1
    Quote: Igool
    Quote: Tank Hard
    with salaries of 90-120 rubles

    In 1989, after school, he got a job at a factory and after training, he worked as a turner of the third category, earning 200-220 rubles. My teacher, had the 6th category, received about 300 rubles. Your 90-120, office salaries in the design bureau, where they didn't really work, but they were playing the fool. But you forgot to tell about additional bonuses to these salaries, such as bonuses, the 13th salary, etc. Almost the same number ran over them.

    The hard workers in the shops worked, and the engineers in the departments fumbled? It turns out on whom the production was kept, on turners of the 3rd subcategory, BGG.
    Did you finish school all 10 classes, or 8 classes with corridors and vocational schools?
  • Igool
    Igool 16 November 2020 18: 53
    +1
    Quote: Nitochkin
    Did you finish school all 10 classes, or 8 classes with corridors and vocational schools?

    He graduated from 10 classes, after urgent, entered the institute, the evening department. More questions?
    And at the expense of engineers, in many design bureaus, they were the same as the modern so-called "office plankton". No need to juggle, this does not apply to everyone en masse. Someone developed new equipment, and since there was an excess of graduates of institutes, someone was engaged in redrawing old drawings, which was also necessary, but in no way related to engineering developments.
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 17 November 2020 03: 23
    -2
    Quote: Igool
    Quote: Nitochkin
    Did you finish school all 10 classes, or 8 classes with corridors and vocational schools?

    He graduated from 10 classes, after urgent, entered the institute, the evening department. More questions?
    And at the expense of engineers, in many design bureaus, they were the same as the modern so-called "office plankton". No need to juggle, this does not apply to everyone en masse. Someone developed new equipment, and since there was an excess of graduates of institutes, someone was engaged in redrawing old drawings, which was also necessary, but in no way related to engineering developments.

    You, a turner of the 3rd category, how to know about "in many design bureaus"?
    Reasoning like you, we can confidently say that most of the turners were drinking at the workplace all month, and at the end of the month, when it was necessary to close orders and hand over the plan, they drove the marriage, violating the processing technology. They burned parts and tools.
  • Igool
    Igool 17 November 2020 23: 51
    +1
    Quote: Nitochkin
    You, a turner of the 3rd category, how to know about "in many design bureaus"?

    Well, firstly, I worked as a turner right after school before the army. Secondly: there were hard workers and drank at work, too, not a secret to anyone, but not in the mind, I have not met such at work. If the part did not meet the tolerances, the OTK simply did not pass it. The workshop was instrumental, so there was no mass production, so there was no plan as such. Many of my classmates finished daytime, so they got a job in the same design bureaus earlier, I can judge from their stories. And now I am far from a boy, I have lived my life, seen a lot, I have the right, both to my opinion and the right to express it.
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 18 November 2020 03: 42
    -1
    Quote: Igool
    Quote: Nitochkin
    You, a turner of the 3rd category, how to know about "in many design bureaus"?

    Well, firstly, I worked as a turner right after school before the army. Secondly: there were hard workers and drank at work, too, not a secret to anyone, but not in the mind, I have not met such at work. If the part did not meet the tolerances, the OTK simply did not pass it. The workshop was instrumental, so there was no mass production, so there was no plan as such. Many of my classmates finished daytime, so they got a job in the same design bureaus earlier, I can judge from their stories. And now I am far from a boy, I have lived my life, seen a lot, I have the right, both to my opinion and the right to express it.

    Again "many". Many are how many, two, three, ten? Based on the fact that in grade 10 there could be no more than 20-25 people, let it be 30, of which half are girls, it turns out that 15 of your classmates will be these "many". What, just got everyone a tower and went to the design bureau to redraw the drawings? Can you stop whistling?
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 51
    +1
    Quote: Igool
    Your 90-120, office salaries in the design bureau, where they didn't really work, and they were playing the fool.

    And the older operating nurse who performed 5 operations a day with a salary of 93 rubles ... did the same fool around?
    Quote: Igool
    You forgot to tell us about additional bonuses to these salaries

    minder of the 1st class of the Soviet merchant fleet, salary of 115 rubles, of which 15 rubles is a bonus, called "coffin", because the minder works below the waterline!
  • CSKA
    CSKA 16 November 2020 13: 39
    -2
    Quote: Igool
    office salaries in the design bureau, where they didn’t really work, and so they played foolishly.

    )))) It turns out that. In the design bureau, where they designed missiles, airplanes and everything that you are so proud of and tell tales about the fact that the entire defense industry is the legacy of the USSR, it turns out that they were fooling around. It turns out that the engineers and architects were fooling around. All over the world, these specialties are respected and highly paid, and his turner is an elite profession.
  • Igool
    Igool 17 November 2020 23: 54
    +1
    Quote: CSKA
    Design Bureau where rockets, airplanes and everything that you are so proud of was designed

    KB, for your information were at any plant that produced mass production. I also meant them
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 14
    -2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    Give me examples of shortages in the late 60s - 70s, early 80s

    1972 Suvorov Tula region ... white bread in the store lay for only half an hour with a queue of 100 meters. In groceries, sugar (Cuban), salt, Georgian tea, coffee drink, barley, semolina and sometimes buckwheat pasta. In gastronomy, a soup set and skinny hens the color of the daddy family. In milk milk, kefir, processed cheese and ... chocolate butter. Various caramels, "Red poppy" and chocolate medals are in the confectionery. In the fish "mass grave" -kilka in tomato sauce and frozen sprat. There was no meat department. Here is a typical regional center store in the Tula region ... well, except for Novomoskovsk and Aleksin!
    Early 80s Altai Territory .... herring, canned fish, chocolates, vegetable oil, sugar could be bought once every two weeks in the shop car of the goods-passenger train Barnaul-Blagoveshchenka! The city of Frunze, normal clothes could be bought near the Central Department Store before the next inspection of the OBHS.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 16 November 2020 10: 43
      +4
      Serg65 (Sergey)
      Quote: Serg65
      The city of Frunze, normal clothes could be bought near the Central Department Store before the next inspection of the OBHS.

      So it was all there, but they were hiding. They were afraid of OBHS. There have always been unscrupulous trade or supply workers, I think. will always be.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 16 November 2020 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: Bumblebee_3
      So it was all there, but they were hiding.

      They did not hide it so much as they created an artificial shortage in order to sell it for additional buns. Moreover, they kept what the industry produced in limited quantities.
    3. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 16 November 2020 10: 57
      +3
      Serg65 (Sergey)
      That's right, artificially created a deficit. And in the 90s it was included in the general system. Here on the forum it was written about it.
      Good luck to you. And most importantly - health!
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 16 November 2020 11: 15
      0
      Have a nice one you too! hi
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 19 November 2020 18: 59
    +2
    Quote: Bumblebee_3
    So it was all there, but they were hiding. They were afraid of OBHS. There have always been unscrupulous trade or supply workers, I think. will always be.

    the trade and party workers were the hidden bourgeoisie .... Perestroika was their revolution. smile
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 15 November 2020 13: 59
    12
    Quote: stone
    What nonsense! Forgotten everything, but I remember how my parents stormed grocery stores in the hope of buying sausage! All and everywhere by pull. A car is an inaccessible luxury! Continuous drunkenness and cult of criminality of a thug. This is such freedom and social justice!

    For the sake of objectivity, it should be said that there really was a deficit in the late USSR, but it existed and exists not only in socialist, but also in capitalist countries.

    At the same time, it is important to understand what exactly do you mean by a deficit in general? And what kind of deficit in the USSR and for what years are you talking about? What social forms did the deficit take in Soviet times and why?
    In addition, I will say that this is also connected precisely with the political and economic reforms of N.S. Khrushchev.
    All this is of fundamental importance.

    Popov Mikhail Vasilyevich, Doctor of Philosophy, Professor, answers the question of deficit in the USSR perfectly well.

    Was there a deficit in the USSR? Professor Popov. • 21 Mar 2017
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 15 November 2020 14: 23
      +9
      The shortage of food and goods is an important social tool both for retaining the actual power in the country in one's own hands and for transferring power in the country in the form of coups, revolutions, etc. into other hands, including the surrender of the country by the "tops" to external control.
      Therefore, the formation of a deficit in the USSR must be divided into several periods and it is necessary to understand who and what it served the deficit and why.

      This video is about how the Soviet Union fought against the deficit and the trade mafia in the 70-80s from the side of the state itself - i.e. the Soviet state itself fought.

      Deficit in the Soviet Union. • 14 Sept. 2017


      But the following video is about how already under Mikhail Gorbachev, the authorities themselves "at the top" fought against the country and its people, artificially creating the same supposedly Soviet deficit.

      The video was filmed in Leningrad, between 1989-91. (the last episode of 1993), the news broadcast command "600 seconds".
      Plots tell about the destruction of products, spoilage, theft, hiding in warehouses, sabotage of unloading wagons and export from the country.

      USSR: Commodity deficit (video chronicle 1989-91). • 20 oct. 2015
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 15 November 2020 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Tatiana
      For the sake of objectivity, it should be said that the deficit in the late USSR really was
      For the sake of objectivity, it should be said that the deficit was always and everywhere, remains in the present, and the principle "to each according to his needs" will not be implemented massively in any future, but, perhaps, it has long been implemented by those who seek to get rid of desires by reaching ataraxia, nirvana , or the kingdom of heaven.
    3. Tsyrendorzhiev Sambu Rabdanovich
      Tsyrendorzhiev Sambu Rabdanovich 15 November 2020 17: 11
      +6
      Prof. Popov explained in a qualified and understandable way. It couldn't be better.
    4. Taga
      Taga 21 November 2020 20: 17
      +1
      The most literate and detailed commentary read so far!
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 15 November 2020 14: 36
    12
    Quote: stone
    They were simple hard workers, they did not have enough to pay with store prices!

    You did not live in any USSR, there was no such thing that the hard workers would not have enough to pay, unless of course everyone drank. Don't tell fairy tales, you have to work thinner.
    1. stone
      stone 15 November 2020 15: 05
      -2
      Yes, he did not. Perm was not part of the USSR in 70-80. Go treat memory.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 16 November 2020 08: 44
        +2
        Quote: stone
        Go treat memory.

        With memory, everything is fine with me, I repeat, I have to work thinner, and they pour on such jambs.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 17 November 2020 13: 39
        +2
        Come on! Apparently we had different Perm in the 70s and 80s. Compared to my children, my parents (father is a worker and mother is a master of housekeeping) were just rich! Of course, Pele's cafe rarely fell, but there were definitely no problems with reaching the salary. 2-3 children could be reasonably provided and brought into people - guaranteed !!! In general, the same demography raises a stake for all critics of the Union.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 November 2020 19: 16
      -5
      Quote: qqqq
      You did not live in any USSR, there was no such thing that the hard workers would not have enough to pay, unless of course everyone drank. Don't tell fairy tales, you have to work thinner.

      I was born and lived, Stone is right. request
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 21: 39
        +6
        Quote: Tank Hard
        I was born and lived, Stone is right.

        Well, do not lie, even though you, I lived in the USSR, there was no such thing that a hard worker from paycheck to paycheck was not enough.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 November 2020 22: 54
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Well, don't lie, even though you,

        Why would I lie? Earlier I wrote about sausage. What I remember and wrote about. About the salary. He worked part-time at the Cholpon shoe factory, which in Frunze, as a handyman all summer, received something about 90 rubles a month. This was around 1986. I was about 13 years old then. I cannot say that this was enough for me. although I was still a child and there were no special requests, like restaurants and cafes. A sufficiently qualified worker or engineer received approximately 120 rubles. In my opinion, not very much. But everyone has their own opinion. And accuse someone of lying. not having the exact knowledge whether an individual is a liar or not is not the most respected occupation.
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 23: 28
        +6
        Quote: Tank Hard
        the engineer received about 120 rubles.

        Immediately after graduation, no bonuses. The worker received more, within 200 rubles. My father worked as a leading specialist in the city of Navoi at a chemical plant, received more than 300 rubles. The mother at the design institute received more than 200 rubles. In 1990, when I came from the army, I got a job at the plant as an instrumentation adjuster and received 220 rubles. plus work-outs for commissioning of CNC machines at other enterprises, from 400 rubles, somewhere in a couple of three days off and Friday, after work, they managed to do it. A turner or a milling machine operator in the piecework could receive, at my factory, 400-450 rubles. usually received 250-280 rubles. This is what I remember.
        Quote: Tank Hard
        something about 90 rubles a month

        Quote: Tank Hard
        I was about 13 years old then

        I also worked at school in the summer, instead of practice, in a taxi company as a plumber on the 2nd category. I received little, as long as I don't remember. But after vocational school, a plumber received the 4th grade, and this is completely different money. So, this example is unfortunate.
      4. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 November 2020 23: 42
        -3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Immediately after graduation, no bonuses. The worker received more, within 200 rubles. My father worked as a leading specialist in the city of Navoi at a chemical plant, received more than 300 rubles. The mother at the design institute received more than 200 rubles. In 1990, when I came from the army, I got a job at the plant as an instrumentation adjuster and received 220 rubles. plus work-outs for commissioning of CNC machines at other enterprises, from 400 rubles, somewhere in a couple of three days off and Friday, after work, they managed to do it. A turner or a milling machine operator in the piecework could receive, at my factory, 400-450 rubles. usually received 250-280 rubles. This is what I remember.

        Listen, but this is not enough for the Volga-Zhiguli, a cooperative apartment for 4000 rubles. People for the most part are consumers and want the best. I understand. that some are convinced that you can feed on the energy of the sun, but I like meat. request I read the memoirs of people from Leningrad of those times, where young people earned several monthly salaries of their parents a day on blackprints. Which ideology will win in this confrontation? Ideology, it is ultimately an important thing, but after all, it’s a hunt to eat. request
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        I also worked at school in the summer, instead of practice, in a taxi company as a plumber on the 2nd category. I received little, as long as I don't remember. But after vocational school, a plumber received the 4th grade, and this is completely different money. So, this example is unfortunate.

        Well, that's what it is. In general, I can’t really remember those who received 450 rubles in the city. And those, I repeat, had to have a position, acquaintances, to be in the party. repeat
      5. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 23: 55
        +5
        Quote: Tank Hard
        In general, I can't really remember those who received 450 rubles in the city. And those, I repeat, had to have a position, acquaintances, to be in the party

        What does the party have to do with it? In the late USSR, the party was joined more for a career "along the party line". What is the position of the worker in the enterprise? Why is he a store manager or what? Much more depended on the industry, i.e. in the light or food industry received less than in instrument making, for example, or in metallurgy.
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Listen, but this is not enough for the Volga-Zhiguli, a cooperative apartment for 4000 rubles. People for the most part are consumers and want the best. I understand. that some are convinced that you can feed on the energy of the sun, but I like meat.

        Well, that was enough for meat. Interest-free loans were taken for a cooperative apartment at the enterprise, but until the 90s it was possible to get an apartment for free, it is not true everywhere. And for the "long ruble", they usually went to the north. By the way, will you remind me of the subject of the dispute? Otherwise, in my opinion we were distracted.
      6. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 November 2020 00: 02
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What does the party have to do with it?

        Your question and immediately your answer to it:
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        In the late USSR, the party was joined more for a career "along the party line".

        I believe that this was much earlier than "in the late USSR". which was one of the reasons for the collapse.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Well, that was enough for meat.

        Again you will not believe it, but in those days it was not so easy to buy it from us. and in the bazaar there was already completely different money, not everyone could afford. request
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        By the way, will you remind me of the subject of the dispute? Otherwise, in my opinion we were distracted.

        Well, about the USSR and that I'm lying. laughing
      7. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 00: 21
        +4
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Well, about the USSR and what I'm lying

        Exactly, about salaries. drinks
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Again you will not believe it, but in those days it was not so easy to buy it from us. and in the bazaar there was already completely different money, not everyone could afford.

        At the bazaar, yes. I will not say that we, Krasnodar Territory, always had it free. But you could buy it. We did not have big queues in the pre-Gorbachev period. By the way, I was in Kursk in practice, the supply was better there. I remember all the sausage "chopped ham", it was at 3.50, now there is no such, for any money.
      8. stone
        stone 16 November 2020 09: 04
        -1
        Meat in shops could be "snatched", sometimes. But! It was not meat, all good things went to their own by "pull", the market prices are not for us. Now I buy the cut that I need! By the way, I do the sausage myself wink Fish, canned food are good, caviar in the "Ocean" store is strictly through the back door.
      9. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: stone
        By the way, I make the sausage myself

        How much time is spent on this? Can everyone afford to make their own sausage? How do you solve the issue of drying raw smoked sausages? The maximum that I can afford to do is "Summer salami of the highest grade" according to Konnikov, GOST 1938. And how to make sausages that dry for 45 days? A cooler is needed for sausages, on a Chinese mixer-mixer (from 25 sput), like mine, they turn out to be harsh and he "does not beat beef". Would you announce an acceptable price for a cooler?
        Quote: stone
        Fish, good canned food,

        And they now have good canned fish? There is nothing in the oil, everything is with the addition of oil.
      10. stone
        stone 16 November 2020 18: 55
        -1
        Can everyone afford to make their own sausage?

        Of course not! This hobby is not cheap and not suitable for everyone!
        For sausages, a cooler is needed, on a Chinese cooler-mixer (from 25 sput), like mine, they turn out to be harsh and he "does not beat beef". Will you announce the acceptable prices for the cooler?

        Well, my cooter is also not very expensive. The emulsion beats tolerably, if you observe the proportions of meat, fat, water (ice), plus I skip it in a meat grinder a couple of times. I don’t do it, but if you want, you can buy a camera or make it yourself.
      11. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: stone
        I don't do it, but if you want, you can buy a camera or make it yourself.

        The chamber is obtained from a refrigerator (not know frost), such as indesite. And the humidity is due - a large volume of saturated saline solution. Above it is 75% humidity.
      12. stone
        stone 17 November 2020 08: 29
        +1
        The chamber is obtained from a refrigerator (not know frost), such as indesite

        I agree.
        And the humidity is due - a large volume of saturated saline solution. Above it humidity 75%

        Small humidifier through a controller or some kind of Xiaomi with control via wi-fi
      13. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 17 November 2020 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: stone
        Small humidifier through a controller or some kind of Xiaomi with control via wi-fi

        No, you don't need a humidifier, everything is simpler. Above saturated brine, the relative humidity is 75%. https://tehtab.ru/Guide/GuidePhysics/Humidity/SaturatedSaltSolutionsHumidity/
        Therefore, just place a cup of saline solution on the bottom shelf (there is so much salt that it does not dissolve), and hang the sausage on top. You just have to open the refrigerator for a couple of minutes once or twice a day to recirculate air and add water to the cup as it evaporates.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 10: 05
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Immediately after graduation, no bonuses.

    crying What a beautiful fairy tale !!!
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    My father worked as a leading specialist in Navoi

    belay But what about the Kuban ????
    My uncle in Fergana is the chief engineer of a cotton plant - 150 rubles!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 11: 25
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    But what about the Kuban ????
    My uncle in Fergana is the chief engineer of a cotton plant - 150 rubles!

    Until 1980, Navoi, then moved to Armavir. The chief engineer at the chemical plant received more than 350 rubles. You apparently cheated and brought only your uncle's salary, but forgot about the bonus part.
    Quote: Serg65
    What a beautiful fairy tale !!!

    It looks like fairy tales you are telling here. All the statistics of those years have not gone anywhere. Everything is in the public domain. And to bring bare salaries, without bonuses, is somehow wrong.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 11: 43
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    You apparently cheated and brought only a salary

    So 350 is this with premium?
    The plan will be fulfilled, he will receive a quarterly bonus ... but not 350 re, but 210, and this is once a quarter!
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    All the statistics of those years have not gone anywhere.

    Of course not gone ... defense plants, chemical plants, metallurgical plants, yes, salaries were high! But the great honor of Soviet citizens worked in completely different industries, where salaries were much lower .. father at a timber processing plant 180 per month + 20% bonus per quarter, mother as a nurse in surgery for one and a half rates 120 rubles .. and no bonuses. Grandmother is a pensioner collective farmer 30 rubles .... that's all the income of the family. Moreover, the grandmother put her pension on a book for her grandchildren.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 11: 56
    -1
    Quote: Serg65
    Grandmother is a pensioner collective farmer 30 rubles .... that's all the income of the family. Moreover, the grandmother put her pension on a book for her grandchildren.

    How much did the collective farm give out to your grandmother of natures? No need to dissemble.
    Quote: Serg65
    mother as a nurse in surgery for one and a half rates 120 rubles .. and no bonuses.

    An acquaintance of mine worked as an operating nurse, at one rate, she didn't have more than 150 rubles, I don't know exactly how much, and there were bonuses. At the factories, the worker fulfilled his personal plan - he received an award, the engineering and technical staff always had awards. I do not know about the directorate.
    Quote: Serg65
    So 350 is this with premium?
    The plan will be fulfilled, he will receive a quarterly bonus ... but not 350 re, but 210, and this is once a quarter!

    Z50 rub. monthly, with a premium part. Maybe more times a quarter, I don't know. He is alive, thank God, we often see each other. There has always been a prize.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 12: 12
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    How much did the collective farm give out to your grandmother of natures?

    what And what do you think? In 1933, how many? In 1938, how many? In 1941, how much? In 1946, how many? In 1953, how many? In 1956 she received a passport through pull and went to her son ... she began to receive a collective farm pension only in 1963.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    An acquaintance of mine worked as an operating nurse, at one rate, she did not have more than 150 rubles,

    And where did she work so profitably?
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Z50 rub. monthly, with premium

    Alexey, I'm sorry, but I'm tired of repeating ... a chemical plant and a cotton plant are two big differences !!! Those. comparing continuous production and production stretched out over time, well, not as impossible to compare!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    Alexey, I'm sorry, but I'm tired of repeating ... a chemical plant and a cotton plant are two big differences !!! Those. comparing continuous production and production stretched out over time, well, not as impossible to compare!

    There were different salaries by industry. For some reason they went to the food industry for a small salary. And they went to the KBO. Because there it was possible to steal.
    Quote: Serg65
    And where did she work so profitably?

    3rd hospital in Armavir.
    Quote: Serg65
    And what do you think? In 1933, how many? In 1938, how many? In 1941, how much? In 1946, how many? In 1953, how many?

    Well, what years did you remember. At the end of the war, my father’s grandmother sent him to an orphanage as an elder. I couldn't feed everyone alone, so my father says that they began to put enough bread on the table only in the 48th year. And so the boys there ate "everything that moves." It was hungry at that time, the war is still.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Well, what years did you remember

    Grandmother born in 1896.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    3rd hospital in Armavir.

    Suvorov district hospital - 80 rubles rate. Frunze 120 rubles one and a half rates .. 12 hours of working time.
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And they went to the KBO. Because there it was possible to steal

    what In the CCD, what could be stolen?
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 12: 42
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    In the CCD, what could be stolen?

    The Armenians mostly worked there. "Mechanics" there is about the same, saved myself leather, stole a sole, sewed shoes "model" and sold, respectively, bypassing the state.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 12: 53
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Armenians mostly worked there

    Ugh ... sorry ... confused KB and KBO laughing
    Yes, in the factories of consumer services, shabosh did good bully
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 12: 13
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    He's alive, thank God

    Health and long life to your father!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 12: 19
    0
    Quote: Serg65
    Health and long life to your father!

    Thank you.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 11: 47
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And to bring bare salaries, without bonuses, is somehow wrong.

    laughing Young man, there may or may not be a bonus .... well, minus 2-3 times a month a subbotnik (during the working week) for that guy! For starving blacks! For the heroic Cubans! To the Peace Foundation! For Angela Davis!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    Young man, there may or may not be a bonus .... well, minus 2-3 times a month a subbotnik (during the working week) for that guy! For starving blacks! For the heroic Cubans! To the Peace Foundation! For Angela Davis!

    There were no subbotniks 2 or 3 times a month. They weren't even every month, I remember that well. It's hard for you and the vampires today to fix benches in your yard, in a nine-story building, they are used to living for themselves. And it was not difficult for us, and we worked together and rested together, and with the whole house, one might say, we got together for the holidays.
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 16 November 2020 08: 48
    +3
    Quote: Tank Hard
    A sufficiently qualified worker or engineer received approximately 120 rubles.

    And you want to say that 120 p. lacked paycheck to paycheck? I understood, you-LADIES, working as a watchman, received 120 rubles. and his salary was not enough even to go to a restaurant.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 11: 50
    0
    Quote: qqqq
    And you want to say that 120 p. lacked paycheck to paycheck?

    Yes, I, in those days, a single, but the young did not have enough .. think!
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 16 November 2020 14: 00
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    Yes, I, in those days, a single, but the young did not have enough .. think!

    I will not count, because me young and single 40 p. the scholarship was enough for life, it was not chic, but it was enough.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 14: 18
    0
    Quote: qqqq
    me young and single 40 p. the scholarship was enough for life, did not shy

    The student, of course, had enough ... the hostel is free, travel is free, the mother with a folder will buy clothes ... why not live then ?! And then buy Georgian sneakers-50 re, winter jacket-56 re, demi-34 re, body shirt-quarter, parents thirty every month, vacation ticket 150 round-trip, girls ... because I'm a normal person ... Well, on the little things, it's good if by the 5th day there was a treshka in your pocket!
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 16 November 2020 14: 36
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    The student, of course, had enough ... the hostel is free, travel is free, the mother with a folder will buy clothes ... why not live then ?!

    The hostel is not free, I don't remember exactly, but it seems around 30 rubles. per year, travel for free, half clothes. You have sneakers - not every month, like outerwear, and at a price you could buy it much cheaper, though it looks worse. That girls, etc. That’s the money flying away, but now everything is the same, only more expensive, and if you can stretch it by 3 rubles a week earlier, now there will be no more 3 rubles from the standard salary. It is still not entirely correct to compare by the criterion how much then and now, quality, durability, etc. are not taken into account. And what to do with the best free education in the world, including higher education, and medicine, which treated, and not milked like a cow? I admit that now clothes, electronics, trips outside the cordon are more affordable, but everything else is a solid minus.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 15: 00
    0
    Quote: qqqq
    It is not entirely correct to compare by the criterion how much then and now

    If you noticed, I am not comparing! I'm talking about the fact that there were good things then, but there were also bad ones .... it is not right to keep silent about any of this, if we are talking about the USSR, then we are talking about everything!
    Quote: qqqq
    you can last 3 rubles a week earlier

    At the school in the first and second years, 8.5 rubles a month was enough for me.
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 16 November 2020 16: 32
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    I'm talking about the fact that there were good things then, but there were also bad ones .... it is not right to keep silent about any of this, if we are talking about the USSR, then we are talking about everything!

    I agree with this, only if we take all the good and subtract all the bad, then the difference under the USSR will, in my opinion, still be much greater.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 09: 54
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    I lived in the USSR

    Life in the fragrant Krasnodar Territory and life in non-black earth regions are not the same !!!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 10: 02
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    Life in the fragrant Krasnodar Territory and life in non-black earth regions are not the same !!!

    I don't know about the non-black earth, but in Kursk the supply was much better. And there was no difference in salaries.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 16 November 2020 10: 45
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    in Kursk, the supply was much better

    Kursk, Belgorod, Volgograd, Rostov, Stavropol ... I agree! But Voronezh, Oryol ... is completely different!
  • ankir13
    ankir13 15 November 2020 10: 07
    +4
    Young You are probably quite, just about the sausage .... Lucky!
  • Svarog
    Svarog 15 November 2020 10: 22
    19
    Quote: stone
    Forgotten everything, but I remember how my parents stormed grocery stores in the hope of buying sausage! All and everywhere by pull. A car is an inaccessible luxury!

    Have you seen Black Fridays how they pass and what queues ..? The difference is that now everything is there, but there is no money, then there was money, but there was not everything .. If you believe historians, then in the 70s, some academics proposed to reorient the economy of the Union to consumer goods .. But this idea, unfortunately, did not find support at the top ..
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2020 10: 51
      15
      Quote: Svarog
      The difference is that now everything is there, but there is no money, then there was money, but there was not everything ..

      In the hungry 90s, there were heaps of this sausage in all stores. But nobody bought it for lack of money. In the USSR they ate a lot of sausage (meat consumption is high), but it was not in stores. On occasion, they took three or four boiled sticks. Now you don't even look at this muck ... Although I would try real Soviet sausages!

      Quote: Svarog
      Have you seen Black Fridays how they pass and what queues ..?

      Give a good discount on a good sausage, and now such a crowd will line up, Mom, don't worry!

      There are no queues ... And there is no good sausage for inexpensive either!
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 15 November 2020 13: 37
        10
        The coolest thing is, you can buy a complete one for a lot ... it is not known what is made of.
      2. Imobile
        Imobile 15 November 2020 20: 24
        -5
        The sausage contains starch and sodium nitrite, you can't eat a lot of it. It would be obesity, and nitrite is a strong poison in large quantities
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 20: 57
          0
          Imobile (Igor)
          Aren't you tired of being so "yelled"?
          Quote: Imobile
          The sausage contains starch and sodium nitrite, you can't eat a lot of it. It would be obesity, and nitrite is a strong poison in large quantities

          Data in the studio !!!!
          1. Elturisto
            Elturisto 15 November 2020 21: 26
            +1
            Hey, you don't need to drive, maybe you can tell about the prickling, and pea protein instead of meat, thickeners tell.
          2. Bumblebee_3
            Bumblebee_3 15 November 2020 21: 31
            +1
            ElTuristo (ElTuristo
            In fact, it is customary on the forum to contact "you"
            Give your facts too!
            Don't forget about toilet paper in the sausage.
            Your lies
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 21: 44
        +3
        Quote: Imobile
        and nitrite is a strong poison in large quantities

        I'll tell you more, salt is a strong poison in large quantities. There are several orders of magnitude less nitrates and nitrites in sausage than in vegetables.
  • Kisa
    Kisa 15 November 2020 16: 45
    -14 qualifying.
    Quote: Svarog
    The difference is

    here with a constant frequency of groaning for the lost union and the same commentators ... the nature of the popularity of this topic? - Are you sad about youth? or that did not fit into reality? ...
    the freest country a key under the rug well, yes it was in childhood, but a country criterion - probably in North Korea they still do this. Freedom is over there took a foreign passport and flew to the vyhi belly to warm
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 November 2020 19: 34
      +6
      Quote: kitty
      Freedom is over there took a foreign passport and flew to the vyhi belly to warm

      If you have something.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 22: 13
      10
      Quote: kitty
      Freedom is over there took a foreign passport and flew to the vyhi belly to warm

      Freedom is a somewhat more capacious concept than a complete trough of food.
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 16 November 2020 04: 41
      +5
      Quote: kitty
      here with a constant frequency of groaning for the lost union

      This is the best thing that has happened to Russia ever.

      Quote: kitty
      that did not fit into reality?

      It's bad if the majority of the population in the country does not fit into reality. When this is the lot of the elite, close to the trough. Well, or some fools.

      Quote: kitty
      probably in North Korea they still do this

      Today's Russia is economically much closer to North Korea than the USSR.

      Quote: kitty
      Freedom is over there took a foreign passport and flew to the vyhi belly to warm

      This can be done not only in Russia, but in any Honduras. In the neighboring dependent Gulyai-Pole this can also be done easily. Only not for the average salary of these states. On the Russian one as well.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 15 November 2020 10: 59
    -1
    you can immediately see where the stone rolled
  • vavilon
    vavilon 15 November 2020 11: 10
    12
    Your parents stormed shops in Gorbachev's times and don't compare them with Soviet ones, it's not the same thing.
    1. stone
      stone 15 November 2020 15: 08
      -8
      Well, I'm 70 years old. I quite remember the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s. So before Gorbachev, there was already a deficit.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 15 November 2020 19: 21
        +4
        What can you remember and understand?)) For children. garden? primary school?)))
        You need to understand one thing, at that time there were no preservatives, dyes, colorants and other nasty things that we now use and we are sick with no one knows what. products at that time were brought in fresh every day and what is important in terms of quality now cannot be compared with what we eat today, of course it was sometimes necessary to stand in queues to purchase fresh dairy or meat products because preservatives were not used, but you should not do it tragedies
        Now I preferred to stand in line and buy natural products and not the rubbish that is now in beautiful packages littered on store shelves
        1. Elturisto
          Elturisto 15 November 2020 21: 27
          +6
          Beer and that - the shelf life was 3 days.
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 15 November 2020 20: 09
      +9
      I say, the boy found the USSR during the city construction and did not see Soviet life
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 November 2020 12: 11
    18
    A car is an inaccessible luxury! Continuous drunkenness and cult of criminality of a thug. This is such freedom and social justice!
    But now the car is free. In the morning you go into an automobile shop, buy at least a Mercedes, or even a Toyota and go to work.
    You know that beer alcoholism is worse than vodka. By the way, now the state is engaged in the distribution of drugs, and why was the department for control over the distribution of drugs created?
    About criminality, this is for you on the first channel, there is always a rogue show.
    And here is your last sentence from the current reality. Now they like to potryndet about different freedoms.
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 15 November 2020 21: 23
    +1
    My friend, well, change the record, it's already the son of starving parents :)
  • besserbest
    besserbest 19 November 2020 21: 15
    +1
    Do not lie! You did not live then, but many of us lived and saw that with the advent of the marked moron hump - everything changed. Don't get off your sore head - on healthy ones!
  • Svarog
    Svarog 15 November 2020 10: 18
    13
    Quote: Stas157
    . Soviet society - in contrast to the current slave-owning (consumer) capitalist society - provided the common person with unprecedented freedom, social justice and confidence in the future

    I subscribe to every word. Great article.

    Yes, do not add do not add. Alexander is a huge plus hi
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 November 2020 08: 12
    32
    Yes, yes, some members of the society got out imported things and equipment, and the rest envied them and also wanted to get it
    By the way, do not know where to get Russian things and equipment?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2020 09: 13
      19
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, do not know where to get Russian things and equipment?

      I don’t know in stores. But, there is one site on the Internet, where they say that everything is Russian around us! "Made by us" is called.

      The scam was discovered the other day. One St. Petersburg company sold 40 thousand helmets of its own production to the Rossguard. Then it turned out that these helmets were purchased cheaply in China and the nameplates were re-pasted.

      But, this scam is not an isolated one, it reveals the nature of many "Russian" things.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 15 November 2020 09: 23
        16
        Found a link!
        A major scam with the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Chinese helmets under the guise of Russian:



        1. Lexus
          Lexus 15 November 2020 18: 46
          +3
          Stas hi bully ,
          saving on "import substitution" is "unpatriotic", especially when it comes to protecting "bulls" from opposing "criminal elements", old women and pimply teenagers, "to the teeth" if they are left armed with plastic cups.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 November 2020 07: 23
    24
    Soviet society changed everything for jeans and other imported things that the citizens of the USSR loved so much ..

    Well, you cannot speak for the whole society. I didn't change anything for jeans, like many others in my homeland.

    Another worries. Why do we always have to justify ourselves and prove to someone that we were not totalitarian, undeveloped, wild, were not, were not ...
    What does it matter what they think there. A great power, like Russia, and its Great people should be down to one place, what Europeans or Asians think there ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2020 08: 17
      20
      Quote: Doccor18
      Well, you cannot speak for the whole society. I didn't change anything for jeans

      Personally, you are not. But even here on VO, there are members of the forum and the authors of articles who previously lacked the current abundance of crap in Pyaterochka.
    2. zenion
      zenion 15 November 2020 16: 42
      +8
      Doccor18 (Alexander) Even now, many do not realize that Russia and the Russians continue to live on what was created in the best times of the USSR, and began to bend when they put Bullseye at the helm.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 15 November 2020 21: 31
        +6
        Quote: zenion
        Many people don't even get it now ..

        To our great regret ..
  • Stas157
    Stas157 15 November 2020 07: 54
    25
    ... there were keys under the rugs or on the stud above the door.

    We had it under the rug. It looks incredible now!

    ... The whole country is a zone of "prison romanticism"

    The whole city is in fences. Directly, if you want, as before, do not go through. Sometimes, to get to an address a hundred meters from you, you have to go around a kilometer. Instead of the transparency of the urban environment - fierce grating trash.

    It all started in the nineties, when the elite began to fence their houses. Well, everyone else followed them!

    I wonder if it comes to Khrushchev, what will become of the cities?

    ... introduce lessons in schools

    Now in schools some kind of a whore has been bred. On labor (technology lesson) and physical education abstracts are written!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 November 2020 08: 15
      17
      The whole city is in fences
      By the way, yes, the whole country is a zone. grates in the courtyards, locks on the entrances. Cars in the courtyards only because there are no garages or free parking lots.
      1. Karpo
        Karpo 15 November 2020 08: 23
        16
        Quote: Gardamir
        The whole city is in fences
        By the way, yes, the whole country is a zone. grates in the courtyards, locks on the entrances. Cars in the courtyards only because there are no garages or free parking lots.

        By the way, people are fenced off from each other with high fences, you walk down the street in the villages and like in a maze of fences .. Horror! And before I remember picket fences and everything was in plain sight, there was nothing to hide, and there was no need for it .. Everything was open, like the souls of people .. Now man is a wolf to man, and every man for himself On this we are caught hi
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 09: 54
        +9
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, yes, the whole country is a zone. grates in the courtyards, locks on the entrances. Cars in the courtyards only because there are no garages or free parking lots.

        It's only the beginning. Goblin (Puchkov), somewhere, has an interview with an American policeman, we haven't caught up with them yet, but we have every chance.
      3. frog
        frog 15 November 2020 11: 11
        +2
        This is not why cars in the yards))) For some reason, in the same Europeans, in the zone of old (conditionally) buildings, this is not the case. And in horrible Singapore, the car will not be registered at all until you bring the parking lot. Bastards, one word, Asian laughing
      4. zenion
        zenion 15 November 2020 16: 44
        +3
        Gardamir Finally, the Russians live behind the Iron Curtain. Even Hitler was not required, they themselves built an all-Russian concentration camp.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 November 2020 09: 09
      +3
      Shahrezada is drawn at singing lessons))
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 15 November 2020 11: 27
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Shahrezada is drawn at singing lessons))

        And they sing 1001 times, God Save the Tsar ... wink Horror ... Where is education heading?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 November 2020 12: 56
          +4
          Hi Stas! hi
          No, they don't sing it - but I will not forget to draw Shahrezad. He offered his wife to draw it as an excited transvestite and personally hand it to the teacher - she did not allow sad
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 15 November 2020 13: 58
            +2
            Hi Hi... hi
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Asked his wife to paint her as a horny transvestite

            laughing good You, as always ... wink
            We have such a "stagnation" Brezhnevsky, we need to show the movement. This is in addition to the main job. If you want a prize, I come up with some bullshit. These are not my words, but the words of my wife - a historian, a teacher of the highest category.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 November 2020 14: 05
              +3
              Please ask your wife what she thinks about the return of the Soviet education system
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 22: 23
                +5
                hi
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Please ask your wife what she thinks about the return of the Soviet education system

                They will not return it, today the state does not need educated people, perhaps even dangerous. They will sooner make the study of the law of God a compulsory subject and introduce a compulsory examination on it.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 09: 51
    +9
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Soviet society changed everything for jeans and other imported things ...

    As they say, the Soviet society was "divorced". And the one who bred and is now at the helm.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2020 10: 01
      10
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      And the one who bred and now at the helm.

      And the worst thing is that he doesn't even have an alternative! At least, many are sure of this.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 10: 32
        +9
        Hello Stas hi
        Quote: Stas157
        And the worst thing is that he doesn't even have an alternative!

        "A holy place is never empty". There are plenty of people like him, from Medvedev or Ivanov to Shoigu or Chubais. What, in fact, is the difference who will serve the interests of the collective Potanins and the Rotenbergs?
        Quote: Stas157
        At least, many are sure of this.

        Well, the TV does its job. However, in the light of recent events, in the Fridge - TV match, I would put it on the fridge.
        1. frog
          frog 15 November 2020 11: 14
          -12 qualifying.
          And sho, is there an alternative? Is it real? Only, pliz, as an example of sufferers, sorry, scoop, it is not necessary to give an example. By the way, we are talking about the scoop, sorry, and not about another device. The scoop, as we remember, died quietly. And not at all from the marked, a stake in his ear. If the immune system is dead, the skates move from a scratch
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 11: 17
            +6
            Quote: frog
            And sho, is there an alternative?

            What is your education? What year did you finish school?
            1. frog
              frog 15 November 2020 11: 18
              -10 qualifying.
              Why are you interested in? wink
              if it's so pinned, sorry, then I graduated from school in 1983. And education - upper, technical, if suddenly it will interest winked
              And if you seriously decided to depress the disease, then this is unlikely. For, in contrast to the local "gentlemen" I have a good idea of ​​Stalinism, and so that it was, bring it back now. And the price of all the achievements of that era is also known to me. As well as what this era ended with. Absolutely logical, by the way.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 11: 30
                11
                Quote: frog
                then he finished school in 1983 ...

                Especially if you have a Soviet education, take a look at your social science textbook. Then perhaps you will remember both the role of personality in history and the basis with the superstructure and you will understand that the questions in your comments
                Quote: frog
                And sho, is there an alternative? Is it real? Only, pliz, as an example of sufferers, sorry, scoop, it is not necessary to give an example. By the way, we are talking about the scoop, sorry, and not about another device. The scoop, as we remember, died quietly. And not at all from the marked, a stake in his ear. If the immune system is dead, the skates move from a scratch

                are meaningless.
                1. frog
                  frog 15 November 2020 12: 03
                  -5
                  Especially if you have a Soviet education, take a look at your social science textbook.

                  There is a lot to say in this place, but since oats are not in the pony, we will not ....
                  And it was about the fact that, as if it is softer, "theorists have clean hands, the performers have a clear conscience."
                  The theoretical sophistication of various soviet invertebrates somehow touches me a little. looked at this fauna in the relevant departments ..... Yes, and in the service, deputies, except for one, aroused the desire ..... to dispose of .....
                  Any attempt to "visit the order" so dear to the hearts of many .... rodents ..... will generate a great demand for .... performers. Among which, again, there will be Chubais and other Gaidars. Not these slugs. And even if you start to bring the country into coordinates without communal frenzy, but just with common sense (if it is at all possible here) .... The living standards of the overwhelming majority of the population will drop like this in 2 times ..... So for 5 years, for 7 years ..... And this whole pack will sharply run out of order wink Not to mention Musculus gluteus maximus in the economy by about the same ...
                  However, who am I trying to do .......
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 13: 06
                    +6
                    Quote: frog
                    The theoretical delights of a variety ...

                    I have the impression that you are like a person who, having no idea of ​​what the current is measured in, is trying to create an electric motor.
                    Start at least from here
                    1. frog
                      frog 15 November 2020 13: 11
                      -6
                      Did I say somewhere that I am the truth in the final and irrevocable? The Lord is all-good, in no way, just IMHA, unlike many who are here wink
                      And I'm not trying to create it at all, because I understand perfectly well that without a club, not a shisha will work. Alas. and with a club - a bunch of problems, no less difficult. Examples from history show that "wanting the strange" did not heal in the world. That Ms. Toma can be recalled .... Which Sankara ....
                      And yes, if it is possible, of course, Mr. Zhukov is no longer remembered ... The lowest request ...
          2. Pilot
            Pilot 15 November 2020 11: 39
            +7
            Quote: frog
            By the way, we are talking about the scoop, sorry, and not about another device. The scoop, as we remember, died quietly. And not at all from the marked, a stake in his ear. If the immune system is dead, the skates move from a scratch
            Do not worry, history does not use copy paper, so it is impossible to copy the scoop in that form (with those distortions). Only new options are possible, "scoop", that is, socialism and Soviet power in the country and the president will be needed unless only to represent the country in the foreign arena and nothing more. And even then, there are enough diplomats ...
            1. frog
              frog 15 November 2020 12: 20
              -5
              History does not use anything at all. She doesn't need it. But people - with pleasure. And it is not always correct. And with distortions everything will be all right. Taking into account the fact that we have built from capitalism, having scored on his own many years of experience. As for the presidency, this is nothing
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 November 2020 12: 19
          11
          I would put it on the fridge.
          Here I would argue with you. Granny does not have a refrigerator, She will come running from the trash, turn on the TV, and there is a match of the century who will be the President of Russia Trump or Biden .. If Trump will not add a pension, and if Biden, then everything will go up in stores.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 15 November 2020 13: 09
            0
            hi
            Quote: Gardamir
            Here I would argue with you. Granny doesn't have a refrigerator ...

            Strange as it may seem, pensioners today are the most protected segment of the population. At least they already have at least some kind of guaranteed income.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 15 November 2020 19: 04
              +5
              Alexey hi,
              to the heap they have and guaranteed "square meters" is not far off. Therefore, the "state" purposefully did everything to ensure that their "natural path", or, to be more precise, the "finish line", turned out to be significantly shorter, so as not to be burdened with anything "superfluous".
  • itis
    itis 16 November 2020 18: 18
    +1
    jeans it was certainly kapets!
    72 orogo himself, I remember my father brought lee cooper from Finland ... not fashionable then already bells, but it was a boom in school (after school, of course). Then the Balts TV series about a grandmother in a trailer was released. "Do you want to be loved - buy jeans cooper "..
    then daddy sang songs under the monument to Khmelnitsky (??) and drank. the family has lost everything, about 60 thousand rubles (parents are workers). accumulation of all working life.
    he studied at the university (Physics and Mathematics, Dnepropetrovsk) and all of us, young people, were categorically against the communists. now it's clear why. young people still have nothing of their own, have not created anything, nothing to lose. we are ours, we will build a new world ...
    now we are a "lost generation" for a long time, and so it is, Pelevin in "Yellow Arrow" described everything in a very funny and ironic way,
    the bottom line is that in those days the USSR expressed concern, but no one even thought to do it in their pants (only they left Afghanistan in disgrace), everyone played along from the outside, and inside society, contradictions went straight ahead,
    "society" was like that. in fact. 82% voted for the preservation of the united republics, and six months later they did not even blurt out about Pushcha. or rather flooded into the streets to brake tanks with carcasses against idiots from the State Emergency Committee ...
    these were the last days of the Union, where everything was CENTRAL, and broadcasting too (I heard about the coup in the trolleybus loudly and was stunned).
    with us, then (where is the booze to find something, because everything is closed at eight in the evening), it is understandable, but the PAKHANS were definitely overturned, they were the first to be against the Communist Party !!
    EVERYTHING, ALL COUNTRY without exception !!
    and then the answer is simple, tired of one thing, ate and tired.
    any whiskey will get sick (should I not know),
    but the water will always be tasty.
    will carry from kebabs, but never from bread
    SMALL !!
    where is minimalism in culture ??
    where is the indifference to socialism, capitalism and other various masturbation ???
    where is the new music !! ??
  • VORON538
    VORON538 15 November 2020 06: 14
    24
    Poor Pozner. He lives in Russia and suffers. The job, they say, holds. So I would go to my west and work there. Or his work is not needed there? And there are enough of them in Russia, damn it martyrs.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 15 November 2020 06: 25
      33
      Pozners, and dying, but amazingly resurrecting Navalny, this is alas - a given in our country, which there is no one to put in place.

      Calendar for the new year, 2021 (two options)



      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 15 November 2020 06: 59
        +7
        Quote: BDRM 667
        Calendar for the new year, 2021 (two options)

        Thanks for the tip, I wrote out both options.
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 15 November 2020 07: 50
          17
          Quote: Fitter65
          Thanks for the tip, I wrote out both options.

          Not at all.
          And the fact that the image and ideas of Stalin live, his indicative demand by society, says only that the country needs changes. And they will someday be, for they are ripening. And when they reach maturity, they will be accomplished in one way or another.

          But alas, not now ... Not with the current guys - "democrats".
          Not with Putin, who, without any shame, called the Stalin period "an ugly regime" ...
      2. Whiteidol
        Whiteidol 15 November 2020 15: 24
        +4
        I would send a couple to Echo of Moscow ... a broom as a gift ..
      3. Imobile
        Imobile 15 November 2020 18: 33
        -12 qualifying.
        One of Stalin's lovers
        1. solzh
          solzh 16 November 2020 02: 21
          10
          Quote: Imobile
          One of Stalin's lovers

          Three great people: Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev.
          Much has been said about Lenin and Stalin.
          I want to say about Brezhnev. Under Brezhnev, the Soviet Union in terms of industrial production and agriculture took 1st place in Europe and 2nd place in the world. Soviet agricultural machinery was exported to 40 countries of the world. 162 million people received apartments under Brezhnev, with a rent that did not exceed 3% of the income of Soviet citizens. Under Brezhnev, we switched to a five-day working week with two days off. Under Brezhnev, the transition to universal secondary education was carried out in the USSR; in 1978, the provision of primary school students with free textbooks was introduced. In terms of the number of specialists with higher education, under Brezhnev, the country came out on top in the world.
    2. Karpo
      Karpo 15 November 2020 08: 26
      +7
      Quote: VORON538
      Poor Pozner. He lives in Russia and suffers. The job, they say, holds. So I would go to my west and work there. Or his work is not needed there? And there are enough of them in Russia, damn it martyrs.

      Posner immediately galloped to the Union to shit, as soon as the borders were opened and a wave of all evil spirits went .. I was shocked by that mud pouring from the captured "our media" .. And how skillfully everything, drop by drop of poison into the soul of the people, crawled a rattlesnake .. , and it's too late.
  • Far B
    Far B 15 November 2020 06: 15
    27
    Posner is a bright representative of the "Yakovlev" clip of anti-Soviet propagandists. And the fact that he is still on a constant basis muffles people's eyes from the screens of the central TV perfectly illustrates the current government: the decommunization, "dissemination" of Russia continues in full swing. Only now the result of this propaganda is now completely different from that in the late 80s - early 90s: the then naive "scoops" who fell for the tales of "well-fed and beautiful" capitalism, in thirty years grabbed this very capitalism in full, and now, being able to compare and draw conclusions, for some reason they see much more advantages in the terrible socialist "totalitarianism" than in "free" capitalism.
    Hell, why don't some people realize that socialism is inevitable due to the simple logic of the historical process? It is more progressive than capitalism, it is the next stage of human development. And the harder you resist, the longer you push yourself away from it with all your limbs, the more you lag behind those countries that are embarking on this path. Adhering to such a policy, you can lag behind so that then you will catch up with FIG.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 15 November 2020 06: 22
      15
      The farmers and shop assistants, who had to legalize capital, rubbed in about well-fed capitalism, they were all in Moscow and made a coup there, only a handful of hucksters were able to destroy such a country, this suggests that the CPSU remained old, snickering and not decisive people.
      1. Far B
        Far B 15 November 2020 06: 32
        23
        Well-fed capitalism was rubbed in by blacksmiths and shopkeepers
        Fartsovschikov and shop assistants were not allowed on TV screens, I remember exactly laughing Just such "posners" were broadcasting from the screens, talking about "successes" there and the complete failure of the social system here. And people believed them - the "scoop" was naive, believed everything that rushed from the TV. If it were not for the "posners" who managed to brainwash us then, no coup in Moscow would have been possible - the people would not have accepted it.
        PySy. However, I completely agree about the decomposed party nomenclature. There were only a few honest ones, like Marshal Akhromeev, who could no longer change anything.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 November 2020 06: 47
          15
          ..... the scoop was naive. ..
          it was not naivety. People were just protected and could not imagine what could be otherwise. There was pride in the Victory, it seemed that everything was fine now. But the pre-war generations, or their children, knew very well what was wrong before.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 November 2020 08: 27
            16
            could not imagine what could be otherwise
            By the way, yes. As they say, if you deceived someone, then perhaps you were not cunning, but trusted you. Who then could have believed that Gorbachev and Yeltsin could turn out to be traitors? However, even now they believe those who lied more than once.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 15 November 2020 08: 33
              +9
              .... Gorbachev ......
              His slogan, that more socialism is needed, confused people. Probably, he explained that earlier, socialism was not like that, but now ...
      2. mat-vey
        mat-vey 15 November 2020 06: 39
        11
        Quote: Pessimist22
        that in the CPSU there were old, snickering and not decisive people.

        Just about the fact that they are relatively young (by political standards) and are not at all communists, since this is not a party card, but inner convictions.
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 15 November 2020 07: 39
        -2
        the shop workers were not in Moscow, but in cities and regions with large-scale production.
      4. Karpo
        Karpo 15 November 2020 08: 30
        -2
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The farmers and shop assistants, who had to legalize capital, rubbed in about well-fed capitalism, they were all in Moscow and made a coup there, only a handful of hucksters were able to destroy such a country, this suggests that the CPSU remained old, snickering and not decisive people.

        Everything was so .. We bought for jeans and chewing gum, we were quickly destroyed by the elders and their majors .. And Raika also ruled the country (who loved diamonds and tricks) ..
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 17 November 2020 14: 25
          +1
          And this is a standard technique of unstructured management - Raichki, Nainochki. Home "control" for the provocateur goat.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 06: 31
      -6
      Russia did not succeed in immediately jumping over the stage of capitalism since 1917 ... the natural evolution of the development of human society still won the revolution. The ego is inherent in an individual from birth and it will not work to defeat this with a cavalry charge.
      1. Far B
        Far B 15 November 2020 06: 38
        +8
        There was a chance to jump. And very good. Another thing is that they failed to use it. "Thanks" to what (to whom) is a completely different question.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 06: 44
          -4
          Yes what the example of China is evident.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 26
            -1
            In China, even primary schools are paid. And if you drive, pay for the kilometers driven by you on all roads.
            example of China
        2. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 15 November 2020 06: 48
          +9
          Quote: Dalny V
          There was a chance to jump. And very good.

          There is nothing unsolvable. Some countries, Mongolia, for example, our revolution pulled out of feudalism immediately into socialism, thus "jumping" over the stage of capitalism ...
          1. Far B
            Far B 15 November 2020 06: 53
            +7
            The point is that now we have returned to capitalism again, having left (very much hopefully, temporarily) from a more progressive path of development. Mongolia - too, so it has not passed the stage of capitalism.
            1. BDRM 667
              BDRM 667 15 November 2020 06: 56
              +4
              Quote: Dalny V
              The point is that now we have returned to capitalism again, having left (very much hopefully, temporarily) from a more progressive path of development. Mongolia - too, so it has not passed the stage of capitalism.

              You are talking about Regression now, and I wrote about the Progress of that period ...
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 15 November 2020 10: 59
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Russia failed to immediately jump over the stage of capitalism since 1917 ...
        Excuse me, but before 1917 we had feudalism?
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 November 2020 07: 07
      +6
      such as posner, in Russia they called:.
      1. Karpo
        Karpo 15 November 2020 08: 33
        +3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        such as posner, in Russia they called:.

        Everyone understood ... hi
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 28
        +3
        such as posner, in Russia they called
        They were not called, but were driven to the neck laughing
    4. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2020 07: 08
      -13 qualifying.
      Capitalism is generally not a stage in the development of human society.
      This is an anomaly. This formation came about by chance. After the catastrophe of the end of the eighteenth century, the power on the planet was seized by the railroad, that is, usurers (in the modern sense, bankers) and hucksters - outbid.
      Representatives of the third estate. But, this is not the elite. The elite are the first and second estate. For two hundred years of the domination of the third estate, society has degenerated, like the third estate itself.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 30
        0
        Take into account that capitalism is now EVERYWHERE (in Norway and China too). So
        g.i.d.
        most likely nothing to do with it.
    5. evgen1221
      evgen1221 15 November 2020 09: 56
      +3
      Well, in the fact of the ugliness of our Russian capitalism and our deyteli are initially guilty. What prevented the state-owned enterprises from leaving state-owned enterprises and at the same time providing cheap loans for people willing to start producing the missing consumer goods? I took a loan, placed an order for equipment at the factory or bought it over the hill and produced it, it took off, well done, pay taxes, no, give a loan working wherever you want. Then I think there would be no such wretchedness and stuffiness from life in the country of officials and inspectors.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 35
        0
        I have noticed many times that Russians (outside of Russia too) do not have a business culture. As soon as the first profit went, we go to Miami, we buy a Ferrari (useless good lol ) as a result, the business does not develop but dies. There is no desire to play even in the mid-term, you need everything at once. Something like this.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 15 November 2020 11: 43
          0
          Yeah, there is such, a good show is more expensive than money, my dear soul is wide, etc. it's about us!)))
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 53
            0
            As a result, a small business at best will remain small and not turn into a medium business that the heirs will make large. If Coichiro Honda had spent the profits from his workshop on geisha and sake at one time, there would have been no honda motors
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 17 November 2020 14: 29
          +1
          There is such a thing. But not all of them. Initially, Russians are thrifty and thrifty people. Look, in the Time of Troubles, hicks from plague Europe plundered Muscovy right up to Yaroslavl, and then they did not pull everything out. This (about Maimami) is rather an acquired reflex - rather use it until they robbed, because historically the Russian land was robbed regularly.
    6. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 15 November 2020 11: 06
      +9
      Quote: Dalny V
      Posner is a vivid representative of the "Yakovlev" clip of anti-Soviet propagandists. And the fact that he is still on a constant basis muffles people's eyes from the screens of the central TV perfectly illustrates the current government: the decommunization, "dissemination" of Russia continues in full swing.

      Just yesterday, I got hooked on the 1990 film "War in the West", which was on "Star" yesterday. At some point in the film (I did not record the chronology), I was surprised to learn that, in the first months of the war, our grandfathers were not fighting for "Working people!" And "Soviet Union!", For "Russian Federation!" "Russian Federation", Karl in the first year of the Second World War !!!! belay fool This is exactly what one of the heroes of the film reported after the promotion. So why be surprised at the parades in honor of the parades and the Pozners, Kiselevs and others like them, who carry a custom-made "blizzard" from state channels?
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 15 November 2020 18: 44
        -7
        Watch the death of Stalin - a great movie. This is not a comedy, the setting is very accurately conveyed, especially the fear of Stalin
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 17 November 2020 14: 42
          +2
          Well, yes, crowds of people trampled each other out of fear at the funeral of the leader. Apparently pinned from fear. Shall we stretch the Stockholm Syndrome on 4/5 of the country, or will we do without nonsense?
  • Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 15 November 2020 06: 15
    14
    As long as Putin is in power, he will keep with him such "beacons" of democracy who fiercely hate Soviet power, the USSR and everything connected with them. And I must say he conscientiously fulfills this trust placed on him. Venedikov, Vinogradov began to yield to him in this. I cannot explain their untouchability and permissiveness.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 15 November 2020 06: 36
      16
      Who should support the belief in the sanctity of privatization and justify the voucher scam?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 November 2020 07: 04
        +9
        Quote: mat-vey
        Who should support the belief in the sanctity of privatization and justify the voucher scam?

        At the same time, there is talk about a new ideology, but it cannot be created until such time as
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 15 November 2020 07: 13
          13
          Quote: Reptiloid
          At the same time, there is talk about a new ideology

          I have a feeling that in spite of the 21st century and digital passes as an ideology, they are trying to push through the ROC ... There everything is from God and they are given and in general there is no need to explain anything, but I doubted 5 years of hard labor, or how much there is according to the imperial code it was supposed, although it is possible with gauges ..
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 November 2020 08: 31
            +7
            everything is from god
            I agree to let it be from God. Coronovirus is God's punishment for deviating from justice, for worshiping the golden calf.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 15 November 2020 08: 35
              +7
              Quote: Gardamir
              The Lord for departing from justice, for worshiping the golden calf.

              During the pandemic, the number of dollar billionaires in Russia increased from 102 to 104 people.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 15 November 2020 08: 45
                +9
                the number of dollar billionaires in Russia has increased

                Everyone chooses for themselves
                woman, religion, road.
                Serve the devil or the prophet -
                everyone chooses for himself.

                Who in a past life was a pig and now grunts that there are a lot of cars in the yards. Who has always been human, wonders, but what about honor, honesty? ..
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 15 November 2020 09: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  grunts that there are many cars in the yards.

                  And what to do with such a degradation of public transport.
                  1. Koshak
                    Koshak 16 November 2020 07: 31
                    +5
                    And de-industrialization. A person would go to the nearest enterprise on foot (especially in small towns / villages), and there is no need to travel 5-10 km to either another city.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 16 November 2020 15: 12
                      0
                      Not on foot, of course, this is unlikely, but what else remains and moves, and almost always on the outskirts and sometimes works in shifts, well, or not until 17-00 ...
          2. evgen1221
            evgen1221 15 November 2020 10: 03
            +4
            Everything is in the hands of God, aha, as it fits into the Protestant ideology. God gave wealth to the rich and because of this they are chosen by God and the rest are dust and rabble. In England, it seems, such a doctrine originated, we have successfully used to divide the population. The results for each election are visible - out of 100 people are only 10 and out of 10 7 are purchased. As a result, these 7 in fact dictate the will of the rest 93
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 15 November 2020 07: 45
          +1
          For some reason, the answer came to me in a personal. Or was it so conceived?
        3. mat-vey
          mat-vey 15 November 2020 07: 48
          0
          Peter I found a way out a long time ago, therefore in some places the Antichrist. And nicholas II in general was a joker head of the Most Holy Governing Synod of a gmosexual.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 15 November 2020 08: 44
            +4
            Quote: mat-vey
            generally a joker

            You got it all wrong.
            Lvov V.N., headed the Synod under the Provisional Government, Nikolai Alexandrovich had nothing to do with his appointment.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 15 November 2020 09: 20
              -1
              Quote: bober1982
              You got it all wrong.

              Yes, Nicholas II with Alexander I. Ober-prosecutor of the synod.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 06: 16
    +5
    I clearly see the features of Goebbels in Pozner. It is necessary to drive him and Svanidze with a nasty broom from our information space for such statements.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 15 November 2020 06: 35
      12
      Say what you like but Gebells, although a ghoul, was purely physiologically smart, and this is .... All the same, Evgeny Yuryevich Spitsyn is right.
    2. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2020 07: 17
      -17 qualifying.
      From the point of view of science, ALL societies of the MOBILIZATION TYPE are fascist.
      From the word "fasci", that is, "together".
      There are four types:
      1. Italian - clean, mobilizing society without looking for an internal enemy (no anti-Semitism)
      2. German - national fascism, mobilization of society in search of both external and internal enemies (anti-Semitism)
      3. Soviet, the so-called international - fascism, the search for both internal and external enemies, in fact anti-Russian. It should be understood that it was imposed on Russia from the outside, as a result of the "color revolution".
      4. Iberian - mobilization of society to solve internal problems, without anti-Semitism and the search for an external enemy.
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 08: 45
        10
        What an absurd game .. and where is Atlantean and Cormanne fascism?
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 17 November 2020 16: 34
          0
          Neanderthals could tell about "Cro-Magnen fascism". But they won't tell anyone anything :))
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 17 November 2020 14: 52
        0
        It is a fact that the term fascism was turned into a frightening bogey, convenient for cheats. As well as the fact that the Nazis (united) others consider subhumans in any scenario. But .. such a phenomenon in the course of ethnogenesis is not new from the word at all, this time (for a large number of peoples, self-designation is associated with the concept of "people" or "such people", all have a need for self-identification through delimitation from others). Secondly, the main rubbish is that the cliché "fascism" is constantly used for "atu" someone, for completely loose reasons, with the task of not allowing comprehension of what this trash really is. He called it "fascism" and the bribes are smooth, the main thing was defamed of the opponent and all in white.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 15 November 2020 06: 36
    15
    The article is a little confused (and it was not without "Slavic Atlantis"), but the general message is absolutely correct. All the shortcomings of the Soviet Union pale in comparison to its merits.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 November 2020 07: 00
      +9
      In my opinion, in vain the Author in the last section began by retelling the slander against the USSR. Only positive reasons. And not to mix achievements and disadvantages in one article.
    2. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2020 07: 24
      -23 qualifying.
      Do not fade.
      It is an externally imposed device.
      One of the management options.
      In fact, anti-Russian.
      Stalin did not like the Russian people. Created a lot of artificial peoples. I cut off the Russian lands for them, drew history for them, invented languages. All at the expense of the Russians.
      At the expense of the Russians, Stalin also created China. That China. who was our main enemy in the Afghan war.
      Stalin wanted to unite the USSR with China, and move the capital to Beijing. Fortunately, I didn't have time.
      1. solzh
        solzh 16 November 2020 01: 42
        10
        Quote: ignoto
        Stalin did not like the Russian people

        Not true.
        Stalin's answer to Bukharin to his passage that "the Russians are the Oblomov nation"It is unlikely that Comrade. Bukharin will be able to explain from the point of view of his "concept" how this "Oblomov nation" could develop historically within the framework of a huge state ... And it is impossible to understand how the Russian people created such giants of artistic creativity and scientific thought, like Pushkin and Lermontov, Lomonosov and Mendeleev , Belinsky and Chernyshevsky, Herzen and Dobrolyubov, Tolstoy and Gorky, Sechenov and Pavlov.
        Truth No. 8 dated March 14, 1917 Soldiers! Organize into your unions and gather around the Russian people, the only loyal ally of the Russian revolutionary army!
        In 1933, at a meeting with participants in the May Day military parade, he said: Russians are the main nationality of the world, they were the first to raise the flag of the Soviets ... The Russian nation is the most talented nation in the world ...
        From a conversation with Kollontai: the Russian people are a great people. The Russian people are a kind people. The Russian people have a clear mind. He is, as it were, born to help other nations. Great courage is inherent in the Russian people, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a strong character. He is a dreamy people. He has a purpose. Therefore, it is harder for him than for other nations. You can rely on him in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible
        From a conversation with the German writer Emil Ludwig In Europe, many imagine people in the USSR in the old-fashioned way, thinking that people live in Russia, firstly, submissive, and secondly, lazy. This is an outdated and fundamentally misconception. It was created in Europe from the time when Russian landowners began to come to Paris, squandering the stolen money there and messing around. They were really weak-willed and worthless people. Hence the conclusions about "Russian laziness" were made. But this cannot in any way apply to the Russian workers and peasants, who obtained and obtain their livelihood by their own labor. It is rather strange to regard the Russian peasants and workers as submissive and lazy, who carried out three revolutions in a short time, defeated tsarism and the bourgeoisie and are now victoriously building socialism.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 17 November 2020 14: 56
        0
        Yeah, your passion has gone off scale. Stalin may not have loved the Russian people, but he did not hate him, like many other leaders of the "Comintern." Stalin loved the Soviet people, and was perfectly aware that the Soviet people of the future was impossible without the Russian people and their archetypes.
  • Walking
    Walking 15 November 2020 06: 55
    +8
    Posner is still a bastard, if you do not consider yourself a Russian go to your west, but he then understands that there in the west he will not be anyone.
    1. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2020 07: 26
      +5
      You probably think. that Russia is now an independent state?
      At best, a semi-colony.
      You cannot be an independent state without economic independence.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 November 2020 12: 24
      +6
      if you don't consider yourself Russian
      Vladimir Gerald Demetrius Dubois-Nibouillet; That was the name of the posner at birth.
    3. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 22
      +9
      Quote: Hiking
      go to your west

      He will not go there. He will be in Russia until the end of his days, spreading lies to the USSR and our people.
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 15 November 2020 06: 55
    +1
    "Well crazy!
    What will you take? "
    (V. Vysotsky)
  • Konnick
    Konnick 15 November 2020 07: 06
    13
    "You're lying ... ^
    The Soviet Union only knew how to make galoshes, said the founder of poznerism-blackening.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 21
      10
      Quote: Konnick
      The Soviet Union only knew how to make galoshes, said the founder of poznerism-blackening.

      Only here's what contraption turns out. We still live off the successes of the USSR. And they tell us about galoshes ...
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  • IV Stalin
    IV Stalin 15 November 2020 07: 20
    +3
    A traitor, a bastard, an unfinished fascist, this is all a bit of a toad mindset ... just to croak to please their amerekos
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2020 07: 40
    11
    I will not throw "stones" at Posner, they will not be enough, because he is not the only one. And then, Pozner is not a "lonely psycho" who "dines" and not only him, he also "dances" them, that's who the "stones" should fly to. I have repeatedly written that since the beginning of perestroika there has been a consistent de-sovietization and de-communization of society throughout the entire space of the former USSR, somewhere faster, somewhere slower, in particular in Russia, and this is bearing fruit, I will not give examples, they are known to everyone. The task of world capitalism, Russian, including, to build a "new order", "new fascism", "new Nazism", renewed and I must say with this, is currently successfully coping ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 November 2020 07: 52
    +1
    One more "navalnok" drew! I would not be surprised that he will be treated in "Charite". For an Englishwoman, an ideal character.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 21
      11
      No, he is not a "bully". He's a different spill. He's worse. He is a "traitor in law". People like him are not touched. They are allowed by almost everyone in their TV appearances. People like him have the right to lie to our history and our ancestors, protecting the existing system.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 November 2020 08: 00
    +8
    Excuse me if I use other people's words. "What Soviet propaganda lied to us about suddenly turned out to be true." I'm not worried about us. And again a vulgar song comes to mind - "For a pill, for a coin, they took our little one off. And now they all face prison." This is our bright time. The problem comes from both the leftists and the right. "Where is the gap, where is the gap? Not a damn thing to be seen .." Soviet enterprises were destroyed without investors. But in order to improve these ruins, they will not find investors. They say that we have no ideology. The anti-Soviet lie is the first idea.
  • Alex2
    Alex2 15 November 2020 08: 00
    -10 qualifying.
    In general, what exactly outrages in the views and statements of Posner? If false, then he is absolutely right and truthful. If not patriotism, then each person is free in his thoughts, views and expressions of will.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 08: 48
      +1
      Stay in place, they have already left for you
    2. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 20
      10
      Quote: Alex2
      what exactly outrages in the views and statements of Posner?

      Everything. From looks to statements. He is a liar and a traitor.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 November 2020 08: 00
    11
    Great and slandered Soviet Union

    Here, really, really, so true. Whoever did not throw a stone into the Soviet past and only because in the USSR it was impossible to steal from the treasury just like that, it was impossible to mock old pensioners, it was impossible to build palaces and personal yachts for money that was not paid to the treasury in the form of taxes, snatched from workers' salaries and appropriated as a result of sawing.
    I do not want to listen to lies about my country - the USSR, where honest people were not afraid to live and were not left to fend for themselves with all their needs. That is why the Soviet people defended their homeland in the war. Listen to the words of the Doctor of Historical Sciences:

    Let's see what descendants will say about today's power.
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 November 2020 10: 45
      +6
      Thank you so much, colleague ROSS 42! love hi
      Platoshkin is burning !!!
      You shouldn't hide the video. Many can pass by, not look. I started to respect Platoshkin. But at first he did not appear to me.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 15 November 2020 12: 28
        +7
        Quote: depressant
        In vain you hide the video.

        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I specially hide a lot of material under the spoiler so as not to clog the site with extensive footcloths. Let those pass by who are looking for some fried fact in the message or ... The expression of the thoughts of my like-minded people is pleasant to me, but there are topics where it remains only to state their own ignorance, since there is nothing to say.
        Platoshkin is not Navalny or Sobchak. His degree and rich life experience are worth a lot. People have already read empty slogans and promises. And Platoshkin's program of action has powerful potential. And the very protection of the NNP of the people who created the USSR is appreciated by me, born in the USSR, much higher than the libels of useless parasitic people trying to denigrate his USSR) existence.
        hi
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 15 November 2020 08: 03
    -12 qualifying.
    Posner, of course, is a well-known Russophobe, whom it was necessary to drive for a long timeS.

    But the author, apparently, thinks that no one reads anything:
    The Soviet Union, on the contrary, avoided the crisis and moved quickly forward. To the future, to the stars.

    The Great Depression is 1929-1939 per year already built socialism, 1937:... This, of course, is not a "crisis":
    CA FSB RF. F. 3. Op. 4.D. 307.L. 324-326.

    Food difficulties are felt in 65 districts of the region (out of 110), including 18 districts of the MASSR (out of 23). In the Kamensky district in recent days, 2 cases of death from hunger were again noted, in the Chembarsky district - 2 cases, in the Svishchevsky, Issinsky, Kuznetsk, Kochkurovsky and Tengushevsky districts - one case each... In total, 14 deaths due to hunger took place in 62 districts during the winter. In a number of collective farms of Teleginsky, Staro-Shaigovsky, Bezenchuksky, Klyavlinsky, Tagaysky, Penza and other districts (52 districts in total) swelling of collective farmers from malnutrition. There were also cases of swelling from hunger in the families of the Red Army soldiers. The use of various substitutes for food is observed in the overwhelming majority of collective farms in districts. In Krasno-Slobodsky, Kamensky and other districts, the consumption of fell was noted.

    and before that, in the peaceful years of 32-33, many millions died of hunger, which was not even a trace either in Russia before, or in the "crisis" west.

    I would open the report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR in 1955 to the author and find out, finally, that in the crisis USA in the 1930s, they ate meat, milk, eggs five to six times morethan in "fast walking to the stars", where in 1939
    CA FSB RF. F. 3. Op. 6.D. 22.L. 116-117.

    Huge queues are formed at the grain shops and stalls. A number of districts in Ryazan, Gorky, Kalinin, Moscow, Smolensk and other regions are supplied with black bread extremely unsatisfactorily.

    In Sarajevo, Mikhailovsky, Uholovsky, Novo-Derevensky districts of the Ryazan region .; Kulebaksky, Muromsky, Vyksunsky, Sosnovsky, Vadsky, Pavlovsky, Semenovsky and other areas of the Gorky region, a number of areas and in the city of Saransk of the Mordovian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and others - round-the-clock queues of several hundred people line up at bakeries.

    Residents of rural areas who come to regional centers for bread, live there for 2-3 days, and buying 15-20 kg of bread each, take it to the villages. ... Interruptions in the supply of bread are systematic and long-term..


    And one more "stars": secretary of the Communist Party Central Committee A. B. Aristov, 1952:
    “I was in Ryazan. - What's there? Interruptions? - No, I say, Comrade. Stalin, no interruptions, but for a long time there has been no bread, no butter, no sausage. He stood in line with Larionov at 6-7 am, checked. No bread anywhere.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 08: 35
      0
      in the peaceful years of 32-33, many millions died of hunger, which was not even a trace either in Russia before, or in the "crisis" west .. until the 30s, famine was present in Russia regularly, in peacetime both under the kings and princes ... And if you read, then everyone on the planet was periodically hungry for fun, well, of course, not 100500 billions of bloody GPU, but numbers and infa are easily found
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 November 2020 09: 26
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: SARANCHA1976
        ... Until the 30s, famine was present in Russia on a regular basis, in times of peace both under tsars and princes. AND

        There was hunger, but millions of corpses from him and mass cannibalism / corpse-eating, only with the "nogodnaya" power, and yes?
        Quote: SARANCHA1976
        numbers and infa are easily found
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 12: 13
          +6
          Link to millions of corpses pzhalst
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 15 November 2020 13: 47
            -8
            Quote: SARANCHA1976
            Link to millions of corpses pzhalst

            Such things you could and KNOW: Statement of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, TSB. Winter, etc.
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 16: 54
              +3
              Are you out of your mind? Your argument is a statement in the State Duma ???
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 15 November 2020 19: 30
                -1
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                Are you out of your mind? Your argument is a statement in the State Duma ???

                belay fool
                This is an OFFICIAL Document of the STATE OF RUSSIA.

                In addition, there are dozens of scientific MONOGRAPHS on this topic.

                And yes, NOBODY denies these millions, even the most mossy Bolsheviks. Speech, in any case, about MILLIONS of deaths from hunger, which, hack to death on the forehead, ANYWHERE and NEVER had such before.
      2. depressant
        depressant 15 November 2020 11: 18
        15
        In the context of your comment, colleague SARANCHA 1976.
        During the Great Depression in the United States, namely the 30s of the 20th century, 5 million people died of hunger. Farmers were driven by millions from their land, because the land was pledged to banks, which in turn belonged to large agricultural holdings that were not interested in the cheapness and availability of food. Farmers were not even allowed to harvest their crops - they were destroyed on the vine! We plowed 10 million hectares with the harvest, destroyed 6,5 million pigs. Moreover, the police destroyed, wherever possible, wherever they discovered, large and small warehouses with food supplies - everything! Only the warehouses of agricultural holdings were inviolable. And this, mind you, made the government enthusiastically revered and praised by the American propaganda of the time, Roosevelt. Journalists were gagged by any means - this is the method of overcoming the crisis!
        So is this not what we are heading for? In the spring, there were videos showing how in the Kuban dozens of tons of freshly harvested vegetable products were destroyed by farmers - warehouse wholesalers in conjunction with retail chains and agricultural holdings refused to accept their products, and the networks of cooperative stores were completely destroyed. And these are only those facts of the death of agricultural products that fell into the lens of correspondents and people passing by.
        So, capitalism - it is capitalism, and its name is atrocity in relation to an ordinary citizen in the name of the dough of the "chosen".
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 12: 19
          +5
          I also wanted to remind my opponent about the Holodomor in the USA, but you saved me from typing many letters on my phone .. my compliments
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 15 November 2020 13: 57
          -10 qualifying.
          Quote: depressant
          During the Great Depression in the United States, namely the 30s of the 20th century, 5 million people died of hunger.

          Stop lying! : this "mortality" in the USA is "known" only to the ignorant and only with 2009 g from tebil Borisov, when for the FIRST time this nonsense was thrown into the light.

          Even in the USSR they were ashamed to write it.


          Quote: depressant
          atrocity against the common citizen

          - these are famines with deaths under the "nogodny" government: 1921,22,24,25,27,31,32,33,34,37,46,47.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 15 November 2020 09: 08
      13
      And how many died of hunger in the "lamp of democracy" during the Great Depression? Is it okay that now photographs of the famine in the USSR are often taken as photographs of the famine in the USA during the Great Depression?
      We may recall in passing that the Berlin Wall was not built by the USSR, but by the American occupiers due to the fact that the Germans fled en masse from western capitalist Berlin, where there was no work or food, to the East, where the city was massively restored, where the entire Eastern Germany.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 November 2020 09: 30
        -18 qualifying.
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        And how many died of hunger in the "lamp of democracy" during the Great Depression?

        Niskoka: This is all a stupid lie recently invented.

        even in the USSR they were embarrassed to carry this nonsense, on the contrary, he admitted that in the crisis USA in the 1930s, they ate five to six times more meat, milk, eggs, sugar, butter than in the USSR (see Report of the CSB)
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 12: 24
          +2
          So the csu report is also a dumb lie
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 15 November 2020 14: 03
            -7
            Quote: SARANCHA1976
            So the csu report is also a dumb lie

            It secret Report Central Statistical Administration of the USSR, the Institute of Economics of the USSR Academy of Sciences and the Nutrition Institute of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences from 1955, not refuted by anyone, on the basis of our own statistics.

            Unlike Tebil Borisov, who sucked bullshit out of his finger.

            Don't see the difference?
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 15 November 2020 11: 46
        +1
        Eastern, where the city was massively rebuilt
        In addition to the restoration of their cities (they were also restored, yes, but every house in Berlin = an unbuilt house in Minsk and Kiev), housing was restored in East Berlin, where they introduced restrictions on the size of utility bills and rent. Everything for the people, yes. So the Germans moved to live in East Berlin (subsidized housing) and worked in the West. So socialism cannot be built, they cut through in the East and quickly erected a wall. It seems so.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 15 November 2020 08: 04
    -1
    ... The USSR was an ignorant country, with science and technology, hopelessly lagging behind the world. That Union was an ugly and unsuccessful social experiment on people. A country created by the German spy Lenin, where the executioner Stalin drove tens (or even hundreds) of millions of people into the camps. That in the USSR small peoples were destroyed, and communism was no different from Hitler's Nazism. That the USSR was a country of semi-literate slaves (scoops). That the tyrant Stalin, the executioner Beria and the war criminal Zhukov "overwhelmed" the Germans with corpses and only thus won the war. In the USSR, any freedom was suppressed, where people did not laugh, dressed badly and gray and spent all the time outside of work in lines.

    What was that?
    Well, Samsonov, you give! belay
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 November 2020 12: 28
      +7
      This was the opinion of the pro-Western media propaganda, not Samsonov. Read the article carefully.
    2. BAI
      BAI 15 November 2020 17: 45
      +3
      Well, it was not Samsonov who came up with this:
      Numerous TV programs, historians and journalists like Mlechin and Posner instilled and inspire people that the USSR was ...

      further - your quote.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 15 November 2020 18: 57
        0
        Quote: BAI
        Well, it was not Samsonov who came up with this:
        Numerous TV programs, historians and journalists like Mlechin and Posner instilled and inspire people that the USSR was ...

        further - your quote.

        Quote: depressant
        This was the opinion of the pro-Western media propaganda, not Samsonov. Read the article carefully.

        Dear BAI and depressant, you didn't catch the sarcasm.
        I am a person from the generation that not only knew why the newspaper was crumpled, but also skillfully read between the lines. Even from the editorials of the Pravda newspaper, we were able to extract the necessary information - to understand what they wanted to hide from us under a layer of propaganda gum. But there were Bison and the maintenance of the department of propaganda and agitation of the Central Committee of the CPSU - not like Samsonov. hi
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 November 2020 08: 17
    +2
    This non-Russian person is just one of many. Only each has its own assigned role. Someone is pouring mud into the open, someone is hammering in braces. But together they sharpen and sharpen like bark beetles.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 18
      +8
      Quote: 7,62x54
      This is not a Russian man

      It's not about nationality. The mentality of people like Posner is rotten.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 08: 24
    +1
    Posner Vladimir Vladimirovich 01.04.34/58/15 b. Article XNUMX. XNUMX years.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 15 November 2020 09: 12
      +4
      https://ru.openlist.wiki/Справка:Статья_58_УК_РСФСР
      This is for your information.
      Pozner would have been soldered for 5-7 years. Not more. If you take only his lies. Well, if you add treason to the Motherland, then quite rightly they would shoot.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 15 November 2020 10: 44
        +5
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        add treason

        Mr. Posner was born in Paris. And perhaps the Americans, whom the latter had harmed in the 40s, should have shot his priest.

        As for Mr. Pozner himself, in today's Russia the employees of Konstantin Lvovich Ernst with three, as is usual with patriots, passports, are quite far from being shot.
      2. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 12: 11
        +1
        It depends on which part
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 15 November 2020 08: 36
    -5
    I love Samsonov. Such clarity is rare.
    But still I can't resist making a remark.
    Many still remember that in the Soviet Union, children could safely walk all day long.

    Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo approved of this very much.

    But in fact - not in details - Samsonov is probably right. Mr. Posner is lying, as always. There was no smell of fascism in the USSR. To connect the state of the Bolsheviks with Russian fascism - Purishkevich, Ilyin, M.O. Menshikov and others - is incredible arrogance. These characters - for all their filthiness - were no match for the Bolsheviks. Still, there is a very, very noticeable difference between the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the Russian people and the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the lumpen proletariat (what percentage of the population of Russia in 1917?). Although personally to Mr. Pozner, perhaps, it makes no difference.
    1. BAI
      BAI 15 November 2020 17: 48
      +4
      Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo approved of this very much.

      And Andrei Romanovich - the norm of life for the USSR, so that the way of life of the whole country can be changed for him?
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 15 November 2020 17: 55
        -3
        We do not know anything about the level of violent crimes in the USSR and youth crime in particular?
        1. BAI
          BAI 15 November 2020 18: 13
          +5
          At times less than now.
          So the question remained unanswered - Chikatilo is the norm for the USSR, and the whole country should be afraid of him?
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 15 November 2020 18: 49
            0
            Quote: BAI
            Many times less than now

            Clear. Too lazy even to look.
            https://genby.livejournal.com/773045.html
            Quote: BAI
            Chikatilo the norm of life for the USSR

            Yes
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%86%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0
            "If I had the Soviet press, no one would have known about Waterloo" (c) Napoleon Bonaparte
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 15 November 2020 09: 04
    13
    In the USSR, a person was the highest value. “Cadres decide everything,” said JV Stalin, and he was right. Now bureaucrats and other rabble argue that people are "a resource like oil", that is, download and spit on their opinion. Russia is not a capitalist country. Now in the Russian Federation is the period of the early slave system based on a new technological platform. During the coup of 1991, the USSR was destroyed, and Russia was thrown from the leaders of civilization to the very bottom.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 15 November 2020 20: 20
      +7
      Ivan hi,
      Soviet officials did not even have a hypothetical opportunity to snatch stolen goods and relatives in the camp of the enemy and build "cozy nests" there. Because there were enough funds for everything,
      and there was an important incentive to work for the good of the Motherland and all, without exception, its citizens.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 17 November 2020 15: 09
      +1
      Well, Russia is still on its way to slavery. So far, it smells more like 1850 with serfdom and the breath of the "Crimean War", from which our oligarchs with a guarantor are trying to fence themselves off with a feasible modernization of the Armed Forces on the basis of old Soviet groundwork. But a new slavery is not far off, for Mishustin has already clearly stuck in his head the idea of ​​a "digital collar".
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 15 November 2020 09: 45
    +5
    We were brought up in the Soviet way from childhood,
    School and family are a couple for us,
    That is why they are absorbed in our souls
    Friendship, conscience, honor and kindness.

    And deeds are unthinkable without them,
    From youth full of hopes!
    We left the seventies together,
    From a stable, growing country!
    Not to say there was abundance,
    But the Union was calm and firm!
    And we did not know evil and violence,
    Because the people were friendly! .....

    Not mine, but about us. And posnerov - on a count.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 14
      12
      Quote: atos_kin
      Not mine, but about us.

      Igor Dodosyan https://proza.ru/2013/10/14/1890
      Gray at the temples
      Our youth is far away.
      We're in sins and verses
      Like a road in dust.

      Places in the afterlife
      They just don't give -
      So he asks for Christ
      Concerned people.

      We cannot ask:
      This is not our attack.
      Our sins will not be written off
      That means you can't get to heaven.

      And sins are like fleas
      On a dog's tail
      Yes, and how without sins
      To us on a sinful Earth?

      We warmed ourselves by the fires -
      No candles were lit;
      God was not held in high esteem -
      We read our friends.

      We torn the ways
      And fell off the rocks
      We blunt swords
      And the glass was full.

      Oh what wine
      It was in that crystal!
      And few are given
      So live on Earth.

      We were tormented by a thunderstorm
      How we froze in the snow!
      Our eyes burned
      Evil sun in the mountains;

      We lived so that the chase
      What would the soul sing
      What marvelous horses,
      What would meat - with a knife!

      To keep the enemy out
      To the paradise of their huts
      And beat off the prey
      Jealous husbands.

      Sprinkled with dew
      They worshiped flowers.
      There was no peace
      In our lived "there".

      In this "there" we are friends,
      Wives and honor were cherished.
      There is love without rubles,
      There are rubles without love.

      There for wounds and pain
      Like money, they spit
      About a crust and salt
      There the tramps sing.

      We laughed happily
      We roamed in the winds.
      Our women are beautiful
      We loved in the meadows.

      Between lines from books
      We could read
      And taught the boys
      Let kites fly into the sky.

      Not always these days
      The suit fell out to us:
      On the Pamir stones
      The blood of friends is caked ...

      Who is on fire, who is in an avalanche,
      Someone fell from a knife ...
      Heart freezes memory
      And the soul yearns.

      Waiting for Paradise
      Before God Julia,
      People suffer from Heaven,
      Not loving this Life.

      My term will run out
      I will stop living here.
      If God is really there,
      Maybe we'll be friends.

      And we will make friends -
      So I'll treat you to wine
      And the pots (damn it!)
      I will teach you how to burn.
      1. depressant
        depressant 16 November 2020 08: 34
        +8
        Marvelous poems! Indeed, they reflect the romantic spirit of a great bygone era. What era can you still write about? Only about that ...
        Thank you, colleague Solzh! love hi
        I didn't know there was such a poet.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 17 November 2020 15: 14
        +2
        Good verse. "Everything is ours - here!" (This is what the elder said in the film "Primordial Rus").
  • faiver
    faiver 15 November 2020 10: 38
    +3
    Drive from television and from the country ...
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 12
      10
      Who will chase him? Today's power? The power that allows such "personalities" to broadcast?
  • Plowman
    Plowman 15 November 2020 10: 57
    +6
    The USSR has a lot of positive things. And the most important was the CPSU system, which could instantly change all power in any republic. This is not the case in Russia, which is like a powder keg. National chauvinism, under the wing of national elites and aimed at destruction.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 12
      10
      Quote: Plowman
      The USSR has a lot of positive things. And the most important was the CPSU system

      The most important thing in the USSR was its social policy.
      This does not exist in modern Russia, or rather there is, but it is far from Soviet.
  • German Titov
    German Titov 15 November 2020 11: 00
    +3
    THANKS !!! The author for the article. I agree with every word. True, when Ivan the Terrible was designated by "father", he would have added not just Stalin, but Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 15 November 2020 11: 00
    +5
    Many elderly people, residents of Eastern Europe (GDR, Hungary, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia) say that life was better during the socialist time, probably not for nothing they say. Even after 30 years, East and West Germans are different, East Germans believe that then life was easier, fairer and better ...
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 15 November 2020 18: 36
      -9
      Nobody says that, nobody at all. The West Germans are howling, which became worse with the accession, you have to feed the parasites, and the eastern ones shout better!
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 16 November 2020 10: 39
        +4
        Do not be silly, the bulk of the population of eastern Europe who lived and worked during the socialist bloc will stick to those times, and in the west then it was promoted that there was no food or food in the USSR, that everyone lived almost in a concentration camp, but now when there is an opportunity to compare the level life and freedom of that time, then in union for ordinary people it was a paradise compared even to the present day of any Western country
  • vavilon
    vavilon 15 November 2020 11: 29
    +3
    I am sure that the bulk of emigrants would return home if these good Soviet times were returned.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 11
      +7
      Do we need them? They fled the hardships in search of an easy life.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 16 November 2020 10: 31
        +1
        They fled not from difficulties, but from the chaos that was happening in the 90s and even now social justice "the cat cried"
  • Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 15 November 2020 11: 47
    -10 qualifying.
    "Great and slandered"? For a second, what is greatness? Have you created a country from Zero? - So it seems like no, from the Republic of Ingushetia created their own state, supposedly classless, though for some reason they forgot to issue passports to peasants ... and the officials did not live quite like "ordinary people". Have you achieved what? Yes, we won in WWII and WWII, as if WWII had all the chances of winning. True, they could not use the results of the victory, well, who does not happen to? Promoted science ... but how many scientists emigrated to the West and promoted "Western science"? And the persecution of "genetics" ... Well, they conquered the Cosmos well, although this is not entirely true, it is probably better to "start going into space" ... And by the standards of the history of the USSR it existed for less than 1 century ... this is not even funny, in In the Middle Ages, it happened that father and son ruled for almost a century in total ... and then the Great and the Mighty ... destroyed \ poured in a very short time ... Well, pride in the Soviet army is good ... but that the army of Ingushetia defeated Napoleon or does Karl 12 not arouse pride? The Soviet fleet is like that in general - to hug and cry, you can't even compare with the RI fleet, but there was Tsushima ... but there were also Nakhimov and Ushakov ... but what about the USSR? "hunting for red October"?
    I understand that my statement is unlikely to please you, however the greatness of the USSR is a brief moment in the history of the Russian people. Although you will immediately object to me the Soviet people ... but in the Republic of Ingushetia they called representatives of all nationalities Russian ... there was no "Belarusianization", no "Ukrainianization" ... and other attempts to "resolve the national question."
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 November 2020 19: 57
      +5
      Quote: Sunstorm
      though for some reason the peasants forgot to issue passports.




      1. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 16 November 2020 17: 18
        0

        You have convinced me personally. Now it’s just a little… to convince the Internet.
      2. Sunstorm
        Sunstorm 16 November 2020 17: 20
        0
        we read point 2 ...
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 16 November 2020 17: 40
          +2
          I don’t know what kind of internet nonsense this is, but from my own experience in the mid-sixties I personally looked at the passports of my grandparents.
          And on the Internet, a lot of things can be read now, as well as on the fence, and what is written on the fence does not mean that this can prolong the human race
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 17 November 2020 15: 33
            +1
            Look at the address of the Internet nonsense referred to by Sunstorm: babel.ua.
            Still have questions about the veracity of the "source"? laughing
            1. Sunstorm
              Sunstorm 17 November 2020 16: 56
              +1
              You understood me wrong. I made a request in the net and showed you a screen of the result (anyone can repeat this simple experiment). Personally, I have not sorted the sources in any way. And did not regulate the issuance of information. And I will repeat myself "Personally, I believe - it's up to you to convince the Internet"
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 17 November 2020 17: 01
                +2
                I just pointed to the source address. The first link is the Skakuas miscarriage, the second is the "merchant" - the cubo of liberal scum. smile Google, in principle, is a categorically Russophobic resource.
                1. Sunstorm
                  Sunstorm 17 November 2020 17: 05
                  0
                  I will not argue. Since I agree. However, I have a suspicion that if you make inquiries through "Orthodox Yandex" and not "heretical Google" .... the result will be similar.
                  1. Reserve buildbat
                    Reserve buildbat 17 November 2020 17: 08
                    0
                    So. laughing
                    I just ran specifically through the "tyndeks". There is basically the same nonsense.
        2. Alf
          Alf 16 November 2020 18: 59
          +1
          Quote: Sunstorm
          we read point 2 ...

          We read point 3 ...
          1. Sunstorm
            Sunstorm 17 November 2020 17: 00
            0
            We read "... in the area where the passport system is introduced ..."
            1. Alf
              Alf 17 November 2020 18: 31
              +3
              Quote: Sunstorm
              We read "... in the area where the passport system is introduced ..."

              I will explain it once.
              You live in a village, you don't have a passport, you are registered in the village council.
              You decide to leave for the city, you get a temporary passport in the same village council and go to the city.
              I arrived in the city, got a job, in a year you get a permanent passport.
              What is not clear ?
  • seacap
    seacap 15 November 2020 11: 58
    +9
    And what else can we expect if the modern state formation was created with the help of lies, betrayal and crime, with the aim of ensuring the robbery of these territories, to ensure the interests and solve the problems of the overseas territory. Long-term, persistent and systematic work and the funds spent have borne fruit, and so successfully that the great invincible power was killed by the own hands of the aborigines, with its poor morally and intellectually, greedy and corrupt leadership. What kind of state with a neo-colonial administration, such media that provide a policy of moronization, the substitution of cultural and moral values, especially in this is the first one who has long positioned itself as vehemently anti-Soviet and Russophobic, and for our money they bother us with manure. If the guarantor himself for the whole world says that the Soviet Union did not produce anything except galoshes and felt boots, then it is surprising how our great ancestors created and protected, developed such a great empire, an empire where theaters are older than overseas powers exist as a country that us now they teach life. The fact that this person voiced, and not for the first or second time, but continuing to earn more on the central channel than a miner in the Arctic, is the policy of the state, in another country he would not finish the phrase, how he would be dragged by the legs into a cell on rack together with the management of the canal, and we have poured the budget for this more than the doctors.
  • storm
    storm 15 November 2020 14: 30
    +4
    The successor of Nazi Germany after its defeat by the Soviet Union in 1945 became the United States, and Posner is their agent under the guise of a journalist's ID ...
    I despise and with disgust treat such corrupt individuals who bite the hand of the one who feeds them ...
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 17 November 2020 15: 18
      +2
      After all, the Customer's Office (USA) cannot be the "successor" of the contractor (Third Reich). The customer closed the project, wrote off the "Nazi equipment" as an exhausted resource, and even profited from the disposal.
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  • Ragnarok
    Ragnarok 15 November 2020 16: 30
    +3
    Piles of greed and deceit buried the flame of honor and selflessness beneath them. Marxism itself has retained loopholes for the low and vicious, having a basis in the blindness and vanity of the theories of the modern era and the ideological emptiness of a purely physical perception of the world. The people themselves have lost any fuse of lofty feelings, found themselves disunited and fooled by the promises of material wealth and permissiveness, and "bread and circuses" supplanted good aspirations. How can it be surprising that the scoundrels immediately became new masters, and then, gaining fat and acquiring connections, including within the party, which still de jure proclaimed irreconcilable hostility to such as its leaders, did a treacherous blow to country, having disposed of its fellow citizens as a commodity?
    There can be no compromise between the total mobilization of the spirit and absolute unity on the one hand, and narcissism and the pursuit of profit on the other.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2020 16: 48
    +7
    Numerous TV programs, historians and journalists such as Mlechin and Pozner have inspired and still inspire people that the USSR was an ignorant country, with science and technology hopelessly lagging behind the world.
    One guarantor with his "galoshes" is worth something! lol
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 15 November 2020 16: 51
    +3
    the author paints the USSR in blue and pink tones, but not so fight against the insanity of professional journalists who have fallen into schizophrenia for years. Posner is a very competent provocateur.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 10
      10
      Quote: Iskazi
      Posner is a very competent provocateur.

      For each provider there may be an article of the Criminal Code. It would be the desire of the authorities.
      1. storm
        storm 16 November 2020 18: 52
        +2
        All hope for the "newbie" .....
        and goodbye to our old man (:
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 15 November 2020 17: 12
    +4
    Thus, only a Westerner who hates everything Russian and Soviet can see fascism in the USSR. For which America and Europe come first.

    Even the tolerance imposed on us by the liberals under the guise of supposedly freedom of opinion, freedom of speech should have limits of patience! How long will this pro-Western liberal guano be afraid of pouring mud on us, blaming us for all mortal sins and even using the tribune kindly provided to him by our media!
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 09
      11
      Quote: Goldmitro
      How long will this pro-Western liberal guano be nothing and will not be afraid of pouring mud on us?

      Exactly as much as the bourgeois-oligarchic power will allow him.
  • KreAtiF
    KreAtiF 15 November 2020 17: 22
    +3
    Quote: stone
    Yes, he did not. Perm was not part of the USSR in 70-80. Go treat memory.

    Young man, please state who and where your parents worked in Perm, I will give you salaries minus taxes, as well as fees (membership fees). Even in this case, I will not believe what would be lacking ... In the USSR it could not be that there would not be enough money. Because of this, gift corruption began to develop, there was more money supply than goods on the shelves. warehouse workers decided "why sell for 1 ruble, when you can sell for 5" and by the way, look at Andropov's struggle with this phenomenon when warehouses were opened, and there the half-rotten goods were hidden, as if there was a shortage, but in real life they were simply hidden.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 15 November 2020 18: 41
      0
      I'm interested in something else: what has Russia become better? Is it less now? If you read this forum, every second is a fascist. To Jews, Arabs, Negroes ...
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 17 November 2020 15: 27
      0
      I also wrote on behalf of Perm in the post above. Vraki about "nedotiyag to salary". There was certainly no abundance, from the word at all. So Perm was actually a "closed city". Built essentially as working areas around strategic factories. Plus state-owned Motovilikha factories from pre-revolutionary times. Hard worker city. But none of the hard workers lived in poverty. Is that the traders quietly oh wei moaning over jeans and crystal. But then it was perceived even cool, - then it became nasty and not funny, - today the "effective" huckster is a Hero of our time. It's time to rewrite Lermontov in a new way.
  • BAI
    BAI 15 November 2020 17: 35
    +4
    If Posner does not screw up the USSR, he will be cut off in the United States. Nothing personal just business.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 08
      +8
      Quote: BAI
      Nothing personal just business.

      It was here that the personal, or rather the duplicity of the posner, business and politics were mixed.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2020 18: 17
    +5
    Quote: frog
    Why are you interested in? wink
    if it's so pinned, sorry, then I graduated from school in 1983. And education - upper, technical, if suddenly it will interest winked
    And if you seriously decided to depress the disease, then this is unlikely. For, in contrast to the local "gentlemen" I have a good idea of ​​Stalinism, and so that it was, bring it back now. And the price of all the achievements of that era is also known to me. As well as what this era ended with. Absolutely logical, by the way.

    Child of "humpbacked" restructuring. Was the cooperative immediately opened, as soon as it was allowed, or was it a junior researcher at some research institute? lol
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  • north 2
    north 2 15 November 2020 18: 39
    +5
    the trouble is that Stalin was not immortal. Firstly, when Stalin, before the war and during the war, shoved people like Posner into prisons or smeared their foreheads with green stuff, they did not interfere and did not harm the Soviet Union to win the Second World War. Secondly, when Stalin did the same with people like Posner after the war, they did not interfere and did not harm the Soviet Union after the war, even before Stalin's death, to rebuild the country destroyed by the war and by the time Khrushchev came to power, they would fill stores with domestic
    products. By the time Khrushchev came to power, there was no shortage of food, and cards in the post-war USSR were canceled earlier from all countries that participated in the Second World War. 1947 has already been canceled. Thirdly, Stalin did not have the strength and time to jail all the likes of Pozner. And their hour struck, Stalin died and Khrushchev came to power. A political slush began in the USSR, which the likes of Pozner called the thaw. You will say that under Khrushchev it was possible to go to prison for anti-Sovietism. Eeeee .. just not like Pozner. Such people got into the editorial offices of magazines and newspapers, in the Central Committee of the republican communist parties and pouring from empty to empty Khrushchev-Brezhnev's approval of propaganda was waiting in the wings. And at this time they were already raising their Gorbachev and he appeared and came
    hour like Pozner. Just don't la-la-la here, that under Khrushchev, the USSR sent Sputnik and
    the first person into space. This is strength and skill and science and development by inertia from the Stalinist times.
    By the way, when the Germans occupied the USSR during the Second World War, they were policemen with them from Germany
    not brought. They found them here, in the USSR, among those who are talking about the fascist features of the USSR today.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 15 November 2020 18: 52
    0
    // Thus, the Soviet society - in contrast to the current slave-owning (consumer) capitalist society - provided the common man with unprecedented freedom, social justice and confidence in the future. Soviet society had a huge potential for creation and improvement. It is not lost even now. //
    If everything was as pathetic as you describe what happened. When everything is all right in a state, it does not break apart ... Like Rome, which was also magnificent.
    1. solzh
      solzh 16 November 2020 01: 08
      10
      Quote: Shahno
      When everything is all right in the state, it does not break apart ...

      As always, the active minority dictated soy terms to the rest. This time. Two, the USSR did not break, it was torn apart. And tore it apart, oddly enough, the Slavic republics, whose heads of republics signed the Belovezhskaya agreements. The rest could only admit the fact of the collapse of the country and declare independence against the background of the Belovezhskaya events. Much more should be pointed out. One comment cannot all fit.
      The death of the USSR is the greatest tragedy that entailed a chain of bloody events and extinction, one might say genocide of the Russian people.
  • north 2
    north 2 15 November 2020 19: 45
    +2
    Quote: seacap
    And what else can we expect if the modern state formation was created with the help of lies, betrayal and crime, with the aim of ensuring the robbery of these territories, to ensure the interests and solve the problems of the overseas territory. Long-term, persistent and systematic work and the funds spent have borne fruit, and so successfully that the great invincible power was killed by the own hands of the aborigines, with its poor morally and intellectually, greedy and corrupt leadership. What kind of state with a neo-colonial administration, such media that provide a policy of moronization, the substitution of cultural and moral values, especially in this is the first one who has long positioned itself as vehemently anti-Soviet and Russophobic, and for our money they bother us with manure. If the guarantor himself for the whole world says that the Soviet Union did not produce anything except galoshes and felt boots, then it is surprising how our great ancestors created and protected, developed such a great empire, an empire where theaters are older than overseas powers exist as a country that us now they teach life. The fact that this person voiced, and not for the first or second time, but continuing to earn more on the central channel than a miner in the Arctic, is the policy of the state, in another country he would not finish the phrase, how he would be dragged by the legs into a cell on rack together with the management of the canal, and we have poured the budget for this more than the doctors.

    when I write "Like Pozner" in the comments, I mean the leadership of the central television channels
    providing ether to people like Posner. And recently Russian director Khrzhanovsky created a series
    film DOW. This is a terrible mockery of the great Soviet scientist Landau, of the great Soviet
    science, over the security agencies that oversaw secret institutions. Especially boorish
    series "Dow. Degeneration" and "Dow. Natasha". Several French TV channels and
    Germany. "Dow. Natasha." received even a prestigious award at the Berlin Film Festival. The West, as seized upon what humiliates and insults the USSR and Soviet people. In Russia, the Ministry of Culture has so far banned the showing of these nine episodes of DAU in Russia, but the management
    Russian TV channels and film distributors filed a lawsuit against the Ministry of Culture. And only in court did the Russian Ministry of Culture manage to defend the ban on showing these episodes in Russia. But the fact is that Pozner is similar from the leadership of the body. channels and from the management of the film distribution to the end and with the last bit of strength they fought through the courts, so that these terrible ridicule over Soviet science, over Soviet scientists, over
    KGB, over the Soviet people hit the screens of cinemas and televisions. Who are they, if not like Pozner ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 November 2020 19: 55
    +6
    The USSR was one of the freest countries in the world. It is clear that the Union was not an ideal country, there were none and there are none.
    Naturally, because we were the first to decide to build the most just society on earth, where there had never been such a thing before us, as well as the experience of building such a society. Therefore, on this path, mistakes and excesses were inevitable ... However, the best test of a society of any formation will always be ... war. Our country, the USSR, has passed this test. If not for us, Hitler would have created nuclear weapons, and where would the United States and Great Britain be? The Anglo-Saxons understood this, helped to finish off Germany, that they themselves would create nuclear weapons, and their own - Anglo-Saxon fascism of a new type. Unfortunately, the country and society in the 80s did not withstand the test of peaceful life, moreover, a generation of such "one-armed patriots" like Posner grew up in it. Why one-armed, they ask me? This allegory means that these “patriots” have always had one hand, figuratively speaking, in a pocket with fingers folded in the form of a fig. This is how they lived "one-armed", which did not prevent them from gnawing from the inside like woodworms, our state, while they had good "teachers" abroad. Unfortunately - it turned out, the general mass of the people believed the "syrup" that they exuded, and realized late that she was impudently deceived, or, as they say now - "thrown"! Now we have what we have - Karabakh, Transnistria, Donbass, Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia, as well as khans with bays in the former Union Asian republics. And all these processes there are abundantly moistened with the blood of ordinary people! This is what the Pozners of all the republics of the former USSR have achieved! sad
    1. Taga
      Taga 22 November 2020 17: 10
      +1
      They fought for their sweet life. And they did it!
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 15 November 2020 20: 33
    -4
    I read the comments - and it's funny. I write right away, I'm 66 years old, I remember myself since 1960, I can write a lot about life in Developed Socialism, I'm not a liberal and I can say about myself in the words of a classic: “I'm not an intellectual, I have a profession, and I love my Motherland. " In general, the commentators divided into two camps, some say that everything was fine in the USSR, sometimes only there was not enough sausage (but it was very good), others - that there was not a lot of things, and justice was not always there either ... I'm closer to the second group. I won't write about the deficit, I don't see the point, And the elections were according to the order: so many workers, collective farmers, "strata", women, non-party people - one constituency - one candidate. "For" - 99.9%, turnout - 99.9%.
    In general, I sincerely believe that it was not the State Department and Solzhenitsyn that destroyed the USSR, but the stupid, short-sighted (many more words can be written, but will not be missed) internal and foreign policy of the CPSU.
  • Kozak Za Bugra
    Kozak Za Bugra 15 November 2020 20: 37
    +8
    Already 30 years from the collapse, and until now, the petty enemies of Russia cannot fall asleep without falling into the Soviet Union, and in their dreams they rave about prisons and repressions.
    I myself live in a country where, after an unsuccessful fascism, an unsuccessful dictatorship and 30 years of persecution of communists came and now an unsuccessful democracy with "American values" and one has to hear all sorts of accusations and condemnations against the USSR and Russia, and the accusers themselves do not think about the fact that they live in a country where all for pull and a kilogram of bread costs a dollar with a minimum wage of three dollars, the main thing is to tell them how bad it was and is in Russia, good American propaganda.
    And from the stories of my father about the Soviet Union, I want to cry over the lost.
    1. Mikhail S.
      Mikhail S. 15 November 2020 21: 01
      +3
      Karl Marx said that "practice is the criterion of truth."
      And that "being determines consciousness."
      Since the Union collapsed in practice, it means that along with all the good things, there was something in it that led to its collapse.
      And the consciousness of people, which was determined by being, turned out to be not at a sufficient level to resist this collapse.
  • north 2
    north 2 15 November 2020 21: 16
    +3
    Quote: Radikal
    The USSR was one of the freest countries in the world. It is clear that the Union was not an ideal country, there were none and there are none.
    Naturally, because we were the first to decide to build the most just society on earth, where there had never been such a thing before us, as well as the experience of building such a society. Therefore, on this path, mistakes and excesses were inevitable ... However, the best test of a society of any formation will always be ... war. Our country, the USSR, has passed this test. If not for us, Hitler would have created nuclear weapons, and where would the United States and Great Britain be? The Anglo-Saxons understood this, helped to finish off Germany, that they themselves would create nuclear weapons, and their own - Anglo-Saxon fascism of a new type. Unfortunately, the country and society in the 80s did not withstand the test of peaceful life, moreover, a generation of such "one-armed patriots" like Posner grew up in it. Why one-armed, they ask me? This allegory means that these “patriots” have always had one hand, figuratively speaking, in a pocket with fingers folded in the form of a fig. This is how they lived "one-armed", which did not prevent them from gnawing from the inside like woodworms, our state, while they had good "teachers" abroad. Unfortunately - it turned out, the general mass of the people believed the "syrup" that they exuded, and realized late that she was impudently deceived, or, as they say now - "thrown"! Now we have what we have - Karabakh, Transnistria, Donbass, Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia, as well as khans with bays in the former Union Asian republics. And all these processes there are abundantly moistened with the blood of ordinary people! This is what the Pozners of all the republics of the former USSR have achieved! sad

    all the same there is hope that, from the best thinkers of our time and ending with millions
    simple smart people all over the world, they do not curse the Soviet people for the fact that with the collapse of the USSR the dream of all mankind about the possibility of building and maintaining a state with a fair
    society. No, they have the hope and belief that it is Russia that will study the mistakes and draw conclusions that
    only Russia has the experience and spiritual strength to build a new Empire of the Resurrection of Russia on the ruins of the Red Russian Empire. And as you know, Resurrection means becoming immortal and the state
    with a just society must also be immortal. People will be born and die in this
    a just society, but their life will be with guarantees for work, rest, treatment, study, equality, respect for elders, caring for the family, moral values, and the greatness of Man.
    Only how during this time, while Russia undertakes to create the Empire of Resurrection of Russia, will it get stronger
    The West, what to prevent this again, is the question. By the way, those millions of smart
    in the West who understands the historical mission of the Russian Renaissance Empire, they too
    could make an effort to help Russia if they really understand that the USSR was
    as an example of society and for other states, and if they really understand why the USSR perished.
  • depressant
    depressant 15 November 2020 23: 03
    +8
    What is the difference between the economic methods of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin and the similar methods of Nicholas II and President Putin?

    For 13 years before WWI, tsarist Russia was rapidly reducing the lag in industrial development from the richest Western countries, and the people were increasingly poorer in comparison with Western proletarians and farmers, which led to the revolution. How could this be?

    And all because exactly the same thing happened that is happening in our country now - a rake that Putin stepped on.
    The then, as well as the current, tsar was convinced that Western investment was needed, that Russia should remove protective barriers, enter the world market, and the ruble should be a convertible currency and much more. Nicholas II agreed with the advisers, and foreign capital poured into Russia. Western capitalists did indeed build enterprises for the extraction and processing of Russian raw materials, and production volumes in Russia grew faster than in other countries.
    But most of the money was immediately exported abroad in the form of interest on loans and dividends from Western capitals, for which a convertible gold ruble was required.
    As a result, from 1888 to 1908 more was exported from Russia annually than imported. So it turned out that having built two enterprises in Russia, the West used Russian money to build three enterprises at home.

    Since 1995, foreign investors have invested a little over $ 600 billion in modern Russia, and exported more than $ 750 billion. Experts assess this as impossible, inconceivable profitability. This is called a colonial robbery. It turns out that it is beneficial for someone, following the example of Nicholas II, to create in our country the preconditions for a socialist revolution.

    Now let's turn to Soviet Russia.
    In December 1921, Comrade Stalin pointed out that "... without putting money circulation in order and improving the exchange rate of the ruble, our business operations, both internal and external, will limp on both legs" (Pravda, December 18, 1921).

    And then, but somewhat later (the NEP failed), namely during 1929 - 1930, a brilliant invention of the Stalinist economy arose - a double-circuit monetary system, which gradually began to be implemented following the example of the USSR in many Western countries. In particular in Japan. But the capitalists do not advertise this!
    In fact, it is an economy with two different types of money, the functions of which are different: cash and non-cash money.
    Non-cash and cash were mutually non-convertible, I emphasize this!
    Non-cash money ensured the functioning of construction, industry, agriculture, regardless of market supply and demand. Cash provided market transactions.

    Cash could fulfill all the generally accepted functions of money within a country, but its applicability was actually limited to retail trade. The functions of non-cash money were curtailed - the function of accumulation and the function of creating personal wealth were taken away from them. In a socialist economy, the goal of which was not to obtain large private profits, the functions of accumulating private capital by individual citizens turned out to be harmful. Deprived of these functions, non-cash money could only work in the socialist segment of the economy, but in the private one it could not, and it was - Stalin's cooperatives and individual farms (small and medium-sized enterprises and farming). Outside the socialist segment, non-cash money simply did not exist. There was no point in stealing them due to the impossibility of spending them in the market. And you won't give a bribe with that kind of money. This money could be used only for its intended purpose - to ensure economic transactions between enterprises.

    As a result of the isolation of the non-cash, so-called industrial money circuit from the cash, that is, the market one, the country was able to invest in its own development as much non-cash money as was necessary. Non-cash money was simply poured into the economy when it was needed and withdrawn from it when the need for it was gone. At the same time, there could be no inflation, no rise in prices, in principle, because non-cash money could not flow into the market circuit, where only cash was used.

    As a result, in the 10 pre-war years in the USSR, 9000 largest plants and factories were built, of which only a few were bought from foreigners for gold, that is, in the ownership of the country.
    Starting with Khrushchev, the double-circuit monetary system was deliberately destroyed.
  • johnatan.kowalski
    johnatan.kowalski 16 November 2020 01: 07
    -1
    Everything is correct and it is, history has put it in its place, the whole world watched the elections of the country No. 1, and in the elections of the Russian Federation, as many as 106% out of 100% voted, clowns from the color and, in need of the willing and the red square, circus tents)
  • kig
    kig 16 November 2020 03: 11
    -3
    I see that the people here are basically competing in how to douse Posner with saliva as much as possible. Not to do something more intellectual, for example, read what is fascism. Those who spit probably think that the main sign of fascism is the marching troops and their raised hands, greeting the leader. However, this ideology has many signs, and interestingly, at least one of them can be found in almost any state. In the USSR, of course, there were many good things, who can argue. However, people who remember him with affection relate to, let's say, retirement age, when it seems that in youth the trees were taller, and the grass was greener, and the vodka was still 2.87. However, for some reason the USSR collapsed easily and with pleasure as soon as the soft power of the Central Committee of the CPSU that held it together disappeared. And this is already a historical fact.