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Now - the blockade of Karabakh?

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To win back, but not to recognize



Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan was clearly belated with the statement that the world (which can be called “obscene”, like Brest,) allowed the Armenians to keep Stepanakert. After all, relying on political, let alone military support from abroad did not come true much earlier.

Now Pashinyan is making excuses to his compatriots:

“If the hostilities continued, there was a very high probability that Stepanakert, Martuni, Askeran would have fallen. Subsequently, thousands of our soldiers could be surrounded, that is, there would be a collapse. We were forced to sign this agreement ”.


Official Yerevan, the capital of a small country that has become as limitedly independent as many former Soviet republics, has prepared a Karabakh trap for itself many years ago. Trying to retain the opportunity to take as allies whoever they want and when they want, Armenian politicians did not dare to go for direct recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Thus, they actually left both NKR and the whole of Armenia in limbo, with its close ties with highly influential national diasporas around the world. In the case of Karabakh, this is not the first time, as one historian noted:

"The right to self-determination of one people clashed with the right of another - to preserve territorial integrity."

The fact that Baku could not recognize the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (along with Stepanakert's right to self-determination) is quite understandable. Even in spite of the fact that historically the Armenian population predominated in Karabakh. But mainly under the control of Azerbaijani officials.

However, it is unlikely that this was the cause of the Armenian-Azerbaijani aggravation in the 90s. And hardly even the repressions of Baku and the Armenian pogroms, including in the Azerbaijani capital, were the reason.

But the non-recognition of the NKR by the official Yerevan (into which the obviously drawn-out "process of recognition" has turned into), perhaps, is the main reason for everything that Transcaucasia has today.

Karabakh has always aspired to Armenia. In about the same way as Cyprus has always strived to Greece, and Transnistria, Ossetia with Abkhazia, Crimea and Donbass - to Russia.

Memory of the first blockade


And everywhere, as we can see, we are talking about non-recognition or partial recognition of the very right of peoples to self-determination. "Anything is possible" turned out to be only for the Albanian separatists of Kosovo, but today's trial with Khachim Tashi confirms that in this case, too, a straightforward national division cannot be easily pulled off.

Not much has changed when Karabakh has already de facto got out of Baku's control (and not without the participation of volunteers, including Russian ones, in the battles of that war on both sides of the front). By that time, the Azerbaijani OMON managed to catch hold of the settlements, the inhabitants of which were Azerbaijanis.

Even then, the first "blockade of Karabakh" took place. Even the intervention of the presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan, Yeltsin and Nazarbayev, did not help. More than a quarter of a century that has passed since then, Azerbaijan has not only accumulated strength. But he was clearly waiting for the moment when neither Yerevan, nor Moscow, nor even Paris would definitely help Stepanakert.


But many helped Ilham Aliyev (of course, to the extent of their dubious political adequacy). The mere fact that both Russian and Turkish leaders participated in the reconciliation of the parties does not change anything, in fact.

In the end, the absolutely ill-considered policy of Yerevan towards Nagorno-Karabakh simply ensured its complete fiasco. Sooner or later, the very fact of Yerevan's refusal to officially recognize the self-proclaimed "NKR" should have led to this.

Even in the context of the recent hostilities there, the position of official Yerevan showed that for Armenian politicians (moreover, regardless of their political convictions), this region has for many years been a kind of "safety cushion" for their own political consistency.

The stake on Russia, as well as integration structures (in which official Baku could well be present in parallel) worked, as we see, exactly the opposite. Although over time, a lot can change here (almost instantly).

In any case, everything (what is happening in Yerevan immediately after the declaration of peace) once again confirms this assessment. But in Yerevan (and as a direct consequence - in Stepanakert) for some reason they believed that the CSTO and especially Russia were about to "rush" into battle for the same region, which was not officially recognized by Armenia ...

It is impossible not to remind here (by the way or not entirely) that, appealing for support from the Russian Federation, Yerevan politicians still refuse to liquidate the biological laboratories operating in the country since the early 2000s. In fact, they are American, and this is not even too veiled.

Their dubious "safety", as well as the legality of the research and experiments there, was more than once officially noted by the Russian side. But so far Moscow has limited itself to this. It is very characteristic that all this is happening with the complete silence of official Moscow in relation to Armenia - a member state of the CSTO and the EAEU.

However, few observers draw on this basis the conclusion that such a not entirely political factor could really affect the position of Russia in connection with the current military conflict.

Moscow, most likely, did not particularly focus its attention on the activities of these laboratories, in view of the notorious political "maneuvers" of Nikol Pashinyan and his predecessors towards the United States and the West in general. But it somehow played its role in the current (quite obviously “not pro-Armenian”) outcome of the confrontation.

Highway of hope


With the beginning of a concrete dialogue with Azerbaijan, official Yerevan was also clearly late. It is possible that even at the start of the military phase of the conflict, the unblocking of the so-called “Transcaucasian Transsib” could be a reasonable “primary” move by Armenia.


This highway, which was built by the middle of 1912, once connected the ports of Batumi and Poti with the Georgian capital Tbilisi, Armenian Gyumri (formerly Leninakan) and Yerevan. From there, the route continued along the route: Norashen - Nakhichevan - Julfa - Ordubad - Meghri - Mindzhevan - Horadiz - Vataga - Imishli - Osmanli - Alat. Finally, the finishing point was Baku.

It is, of course, not easy to restart the entire highway. But to begin with, we can talk about unblocking the railway between Nakhichevan and the rest of Azerbaijan. As you know, it goes through the towns of Meghri and Agarak in southern Armenia and has access to Iran.

The Russian Empire and the USSR had a railway exit to Iran from this road. By 1942, the final section from Julfa from Georgia through Armenia and the Nakhichevan autonomy directly to Baku was laid on the 750-kilometer route of the "Transcaucasian Transsib".

According to current agreements, this artery (inactive since 1991) must be unblocked. That, among other things, will restore direct railway communication between Russia and Iran through Azerbaijan. But for some reason, the same agreements do not include the abolition by Turkey of the transport blockade of Armenia, which has not stopped since 1993.

Nevertheless, the opening of an artery capable of linking together Azerbaijani territories could not only become a demonstration of "goodwill", but would also resolve a number of problems of the country, which has now become an almost irreconcilable enemy of Armenia. This step (according to available information) could well lead to the lifting of the transport blockade of Armenia by Azerbaijan and Turkey.

The cancellation by Yerevan and Stepanakert of the dubious "abolition" of five miniature Azerbaijani regions in the former autonomy, which were directly subordinate to Baku, could also reduce the degree of tension, and ahead of it.

After all, in addition, a considerable number of Azerbaijani regions adjacent to Karabakh were actually occupied by Armenian troops. This was done under the pretext of a certain "guarantee buffer" of security for the same NKR. Therefore, now Yerevan should not be very surprised that everyone in Baku is so happy about the "liberation" of some previously occupied lands.
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  1. La Peruse
    La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 07
    +7
    The authors presented interesting calculations. In principle, I myself was inclined towards this, but not so much. Then it turns out that the Russian Federation is even deeper (no words, for banyat) Let's summarize !!! The whole banquet will be paid by the Russian Federation
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 12 November 2020 12: 09
      -7
      Quote: La Peruse
      The authors presented interesting calculations. In principle, I myself was inclined towards this, but not so much. Then it turns out that the Russian Federation is even deeper (no words, for banyat) Let's summarize !!! The whole banquet will be paid by the Russian Federation

      Is our blood flowing away?
      Guard?
      Where are our military now.
      Belarus.
      Kazakhstan.
      Transnistria.
      Abkhazia.
      South Ossetia.
      Tajikistan.
      Kyrgyzstan.
      Armenia.
      Karabakh.
      Syria.
      Another point of material supply for the Russian Navy in Sudan is being prepared.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 12 November 2020 12: 17
        +8
        And where should they be, in your opinion, near Voronezh?
        Vsepropalschiki now throw minuses, and on ... the side. Where did the Russian come (all the Nations of Russia, as Russians are perceived) Soldier, it is always calm there!
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          1. Deck
            Deck 12 November 2020 14: 06
            0
            Report informs that President Ilham Aliyev, welcoming the guests, said:

            - Dear friends, distinguished guests, this is my first meeting after the Victory, naturally, meeting with my brothers. This morning I spoke with my dear Brother, Mr. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan by phone, we talked and congratulated each other on a great victory. At the same time, an exchange of views on further work took place. On my own behalf and on behalf of the entire Azerbaijani people, I once again expressed my deep gratitude to my dear Brother and the entire Turkish people for this support and solidarity ... This is our common victory, confirmation of Turkish-Azerbaijani unity. Today this unity is perhaps at the highest level in history ... We have always wanted Turkey and Russia to have the same role in the Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, and today we have achieved this ... Once again, welcome, welcome to your home
            1. Temples
              Temples 16 November 2020 12: 07
              -2
              ... the non-recognition of the NKR by official Yerevan (into which the obviously drawn-out "process of recognition" has turned into), perhaps, is the main reason for everything that the Transcaucasia has today ..

              Why are all Armenians reproached for this?

              Russia did not recognize either the DPR or the LPR.

              And then they broke loose - why does Armenia not recognize independent Karabakh?

              And why should she recognize him as independent.

              Armenia considers it a part of Armenia. This is a simple thought why does not it occur to indignant political lukas?

              And in this conflict, I support the introduction of Russian soldiers.
              Otherwise they will kill each other.
              Slowly but mercilessly and surely.
              Highlanders, their mother ...
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 12 November 2020 22: 12
          +3
          After reading the article, I thought deeply: THAT could have done one ... let's say, not a very good person in Armenia AGAINST Russia! It seems - a remote corner of the Caucasus, but it turns out - a key section of the ANTI-RUSSIAN highways !!! And the presence of Russian troops NEARBY is little consolation. But what a devilish combination! No, Pashinyan alone cannot do it, he is only a participant. But it is also key.
      2. La Peruse
        La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 20
        14
        What is the profit from this? What can you take with the impoverished Kyrgyzstan? And yes, exactly Gaster so that they would replace you later ... Continue further? Of all you listed, only Belarus and Transnistria are of real value, all the rest are a burden where we are quiet and where they loudly hate us
        1. bar
          bar 12 November 2020 12: 27
          -9
          What is the profit from this? What can be taken from the impoverished Kyrgyzstan?

          Is your profit solely in money? Security of the country, protection of the territory is not shielded?
          1. La Peruse
            La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 33
            27
            The country's security is primarily the economy! Since the military can produce nothing but corpses. Why should I be afraid to defend some kind of Kyrgyzstan? Many Armenians came out to defend Karabakh? For how formidable they became when they were told that you were number seventh ... Famously they smashed the government building, that they did not go to the front like that? Well, they can kill in the same place
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              1. La Peruse
                La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 41
                12
                Have you tried to develop your own science and production? The USSR was also under sanctions. One amendment by Jackson Vennikov was worth what !!! Smarter than all current sanctions
              2. Deniska999
                Deniska999 12 November 2020 12: 44
                13
                Sanctions do not prevent billions from flowing out of the country every year. There have never been any serious sanctions. Who will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
          2. pereselenec
            pereselenec 12 November 2020 13: 30
            +3
            Quote: bar
            Is your profit solely in money? Security of the country, protection of the territory is not shielded?

            The resettled man had already defended us from the Syrian babakhs "at the distant approaches" so that now they are running around Karabakh and shouting takbirs.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 13 November 2020 10: 36
              +2
              Quote: pereselenec
              The resettled man had already defended us from the Syrian babakhs "at the distant approaches" so that now they are running around Karabakh and shouting takbirs.

              First, they ran there, their ranks thinned and they will leave from there. Aliyev does not need radicals on his land. And you just have to whine. So what do you suggest? Attack Azerbaijan under this pretext? Will you go to the front first?
              1. pereselenec
                pereselenec 13 November 2020 12: 42
                -2
                Quote: CSKA
                So what do you suggest? Attack Azerbaijan under this pretext? Will you go to the front first?


                Firstly, Mr. Hamlo, if you please tell me "you" - I did not drink vodka with you.
                Secondly, a very strange presentation - if you were silent in a rag when our guys were sent to fight with the broads and die in some ass of the world such as the African republics, Syria and Libya, for the brothers Haftar and Assad, then why, when you mention the babahas running at our border, you immediately started crying about the "dying guys" and sent everyone "to the front" from your divnan?
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 13 November 2020 15: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  First, mister hamlo, if you please speak to me in "you"

                  I will delight in communicating with everyone as I see fit.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  I didn't drink vodka with you

                  I wouldn't drink vodka with whiners.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  Secondly, a very strange presentation - if you were silent in a rag when our guys were sent to fight with the broads

                  I was not silent, I sincerely supported our army in Syria.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  and die in some ass of the world like the African republics

                  Our advisers are in African countries, at the official invitation, and they do not die there.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  Syria

                  It was necessary to send troops to Syria and this is not Africa, an unfinished geographer.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  Libya

                  We did not send anyone to Libya, if anyone is there, it is a PMC, and they are mercenaries.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  then why, at the mention of the babahavs running at our border

                  They do not run near our border, at least look at the map where the battles were fought. And most importantly, Aliyev will not allow the creation of their bases at home. He does not need Salafis and Wahhabis on his land.
                  Quote: pereselenec
                  You immediately started crying about the "dying guys" and sent everyone "to the front" from your divnan?

                  I did not cry anywhere, not in a single word. It’s just funny for me to read mega warriors who are going to fight with Azerbaijan, I don’t understand why, but they whine because the army was sent to the SAR. And I, unlike people like you, were mega warriors in the war and I would not want us to take one of the sides, because I understand geopolitics. We need to keep both countries in our own channel, and not start a war with one of them for some unknown reason.
                  It's just the limit of human stupidity to whine because of our guys in Syria and at the same time want to start a war with Azerbaijan.
      3. Guards turn
        Guards turn 12 November 2020 13: 08
        +1
        - Syria - Venezuela - Armenia
        Nagorno-Karabakh
        - Belarus - Tajikistan - Kyrgyzstan - Moldova - South Ossetia - Kazakhstan - Abkhazia - Cuba (ships) - Libya (presumably advisers)
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 12: 11
      +3
      The Turks and the British (maybe China) are delighted. They received direct access to Central Asia bypassing Russia.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 12 November 2020 12: 14
        -3
        The exit is not direct, but through the Caspian Sea.
        Whose fleet dominates the Caspian? Remind me?

        And it will be very easy to cut the thin thread of the land route from Turkey.
        1. Machito
          Machito 12 November 2020 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          The exit is not direct, but through the Caspian Sea.
          Whose fleet dominates the Caspian? Remind me?

          And it will be very easy to cut the thin thread of the land route from Turkey.

          Moreover, our border guards will control this thread.
          1. Runway
            Runway 12 November 2020 13: 25
            +1
            TANAP looks at the gut in Nakhichevan with surprise. For the intra-Azerbaijani traffic of people and goods, a corridor is needed.
            The corridor will be controlled along the perimeter, like the Armenia-Azerbaijan GG line. And not as OKPP.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 09
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            Moreover, our border guards will control this thread.

            Don't forget - only 5 years old
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 13 November 2020 01: 30
              +3
              "Those who do not think about tomorrow will sooner or later lose today." (FROM)
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 12: 26
          +7
          Straight. The Caspian has long been divided.
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb 12 November 2020 12: 34
            -4
            You are confusing the division of the Caspian Sea between states and the control of the Caspian Sea. Military control. I recommend to draw circles of anti-ship missile and caliber flight radii. And count the ships in the Caspian from different countries.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 11
              +5
              Quote: Ilya-spb
              I recommend to draw circles of anti-ship missile and caliber flight radii. And count the ships in the Caspian from different countries.

              Can rattle be enough? Every action gives rise to opposition. Well, you will fire up on Kazakhstan or Iran, and then what?
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 13 November 2020 01: 37
                +1
                Again Haloperidol, and change diapers.
        3. Runway
          Runway 12 November 2020 12: 36
          +6
          We read the Caspian Convention slowly. Everything is written there (including on military ships of coastal states). The Trans-Caspian gas pipeline is a matter of time.
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb 12 November 2020 12: 41
            +1
            When the guns speak, nobody reads conventions.

            And further. Oil and gas are now cheap. The payback periods for oil and gas pipelines have increased. And Turkey's finances are singing romances ... The Turkish lira has dropped dramatically this year.
            1. La Peruse
              La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 47
              -3
              In any case, they give 10 rubles for a lira and not vice versa, so the lira is stronger than wooden
              1. Ilya-spb
                Ilya-spb 12 November 2020 13: 02
                +2
                It doesn't mean anything at all.
                1. La Peruse
                  La Peruse 12 November 2020 13: 07
                  -2
                  So the introduction of peacekeepers of the Russian Federation does not mean anything ... So the delay for which the Russian Federation will pay and not only money
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Ilya-spb
                  It doesn't mean anything at all

                  Are you talking about the ruble exchange rate?
            2. Runway
              Runway 12 November 2020 13: 14
              +6
              Who are you going to shoot at in the Caspian? The pipeline's ears stick out from Europe and the USA. If the Basmachi comrades "finish" the gas pipeline to the IRA, IRP and India, then why should they not push the telpek to the back of their heads and throw 300 km of pipes for a penny from the EU and the yellow ones?
              Turkey and Azerbaijan are beneficiaries of transit (at the same time the Persians count in ... - a holy cause).
      2. ssnyper2007
        ssnyper2007 12 November 2020 12: 16
        0
        What has changed? Are the Turks blocking Georgia too?
      3. MTN
        MTN 12 November 2020 12: 31
        -1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The Turks and the British (maybe China) are delighted. They received direct access to Central Asia bypassing Russia.

        Georgians are losing money on this card.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 November 2020 12: 47
        +8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The Turks and the British (maybe China) are delighted. They received direct access to Central Asia bypassing Russia.

        For the same words a month ago I was minus as you. And I support you.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 12: 58
          +4
          Everything is sewn with white thread. A new head of MI6 and Erdogan's personal friend flew to Ankara yesterday. You just need to see who owns British Petroleum and Shell in the Caucasus and Central Asia. In 2021, we expect a huge number of new contracts of Turkish and British companies in these regions. China is actively testing corridors bypassing Russia.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 15
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          For the same words a month ago I was minus as you. And I support you.

          To many, the obvious becomes so later ... when it happens.
          The same was about the corridor to Nakhichevan and some were bombed. And now we are discussing laughing
      5. CSKA
        CSKA 13 November 2020 10: 39
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The Turks and the British (maybe China) are delighted. They received direct access to Central Asia bypassing Russia.

        Not tired of drawing the same picture? What is the direct exit? There your line runs through the territory of Armenia. What direct exit do you generally model? The output of what? Goods? What does the British have to do with it? Do you know that people have invented airplanes a long time ago and the Turks will deliver whatever they want to Central Asia?
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 12: 16
      -4
      There are also options for such transport corridors. In all Azerbaijan is a key point. Another way appears
      1. La Peruse
        La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 25
        +3
        Then you can congratulate Edrogan !!! He perfectly zagreb the heat with the wrong hands As he wrote in comments in another thread, the political sultan received profit. And with such a layout is also economic.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 12: 30
          0
          He and England have grown incredibly strong this year. I think from the beginning of next year it will begin to negotiate. Moreover, the owner of the White House has decided.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 13 November 2020 16: 02
            +1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            England has grown incredibly strong

            What is their strengthening?
    4. Cottager452
      Cottager452 12 November 2020 12: 35
      +4
      Let the Armenian diaspora restore everything, they have a lot of money.
    5. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 13: 09
      +1
      Everyone says that Azerbaijan did not conquer all of Karabakh. But ethno Azerbaijan did not need it. As long as there is Karabakh, there will be a corridor to Nakhichevan. It will take less than an hour to close the Lachin corridor, if necessary.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 12 November 2020 14: 01
        +3
        OgnennyiKotik "It will take less than an hour to close the Lachin corridor, if necessary."
        The Nakhichevan corridor is even faster.))) Will the Lachin corridor be blocked together with our peacekeepers?))) Do not exaggerate the role of the Transcaucasian republics, they will not determine what and where to block.)))
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 18
          0
          Quote: Nagaibak
          Lachin corridor will be blocked together with our peacekeepers

          5 years, 5 years in total. I believe that during this time Baku will accumulate strength, and Yerevan will hold a meeting
          1. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 12 November 2020 16: 42
            +3
            Silvestr "5 years, only 5 years. I believe that during this time Baku will accumulate strength, and Yerevan will hold a meeting."
            There were also terms in South Ossetia.)))
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 November 2020 17: 26
              0
              Quote: Nagaibak
              There were also terms in South Ossetia.)))

              So what? - Nothing.
          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 12 November 2020 16: 53
            0
            And most likely in Yerevan everything will burn out and settle down. And in 5 years they will have peace, friendship and loot. Because the opening of transport links is beneficial to everyone. Baku will not climb to break through the transport corridor to Nakhichevan. Why risk an already obvious aggression against a CSTO member? I paid any Armen-trans-system for road maintenance and carry what you need. To squeeze Karabakh to the end? But you must ? What can you take from the rogues there? And what can you build there? All the tasty territories have already been conquered. On a, the Armenians will take money for transit to Nakhichevan. You look at some more profit, for example, the Turks and Georgians will allow transit.
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 13 November 2020 10: 31
              +1
              ZAV69 "What do you need? What can you take from the local rogues?" In general, I agree with you apart from this quote. Armenians have far from poor land under their control.))) They will provide themselves for everyone if the road to Armenia is not blocked.)))
              1. ZAV69
                ZAV69 13 November 2020 12: 56
                0
                Exactly, that they will provide themselves, but that is all. If Azerbadzhan decides to finish off Karabakh, then only coal will remain there. The corridor to Nakhichevan will be covered. Punch it by force? Here the CSTO must intervene. Who needs it besides Uncle Sam?
          3. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 12 November 2020 16: 59
            +1
            Silvestr "5 years, only 5 years. I believe that during this time Baku will accumulate strength, and Yerevan will hold a meeting.
            In principle, you don't care what will happen in Yerevan.)))
            "On February 15, 2006, the Georgian parliament adopted a resolution in which the activities of the peacekeepers were assessed negatively, and Russia's actions were viewed as an attempt to annex South Ossetia. In this regard, the government was instructed to begin the procedure for revising the Russian-Georgian agreement on principles signed in Sochi on June 24, 1992. settlement of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, including with the aim of replacing Russian peacekeepers with an "effective international peacekeeping operation."
            On the same day, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement in which it emphasized that this decision of the Georgian parliamentarians is fraught with increased tension in the conflict zone, confirmed that the Russian side will continue to act out of its own responsibility for maintaining stability and security in the region, spoke in favor of maintaining the current negotiation format. "
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 November 2020 17: 28
              0
              Quote: Nagaibak
              in favor of preserving the current negotiation format. "

              Where is the result? - There is none, just as there is no world. And then, everything comes back. Let's see what opportunities the authorities will have in the absence of the economy and money in the budget
            2. icant007
              icant007 13 November 2020 16: 11
              +2
              Quote: Nagaibak
              that the Russian side will continue to act out of its own responsibility for maintaining stability and security in the region, spoke in favor of maintaining the current negotiation format. "


              The same is in Transnistria. It seems like we should have left there a long time ago.
              1. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 13 November 2020 16: 56
                +2
                icant007 "It's the same in Transnistria. It seems like we should have left there a long time ago."
                Well, someone needs some results.)))
      2. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 12 November 2020 19: 01
        +3
        Lachin and Shusha are key points on the highway, under the control of Azerbaijanis. You can also get to Stepanakert by air or mountain paths on donkeys. So one name is that "corridor". Meanwhile, Turkey today announced its intention to build a railway in Baku. And, what a coincidence, the head of MI6 flew to Ankara today to whisper something with Erdogan's assistant.
      3. CSKA
        CSKA 13 November 2020 16: 05
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        As long as there is Karabakh, there will be a corridor to Nakhichevan

        You stubbornly do not want to look at the map?
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        It will take less than an hour to close the Lachin corridor, if necessary.

        What does the Lachin corridor to Nakhichevan have to do with it?
        1. Igor Semenov
          Igor Semenov 13 November 2020 17: 06
          0
          I think that all the same "to do with it." The existence of Karabakh and the Lachin corridor is the best guarantee for the safety of the Nakhichevan corridor
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 14 November 2020 11: 00
            -2
            Quote: Igor Semenov
            is the best guarantee for the safety of the Nakhichevan corridor

            And this is for such a corridor?
    6. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 14: 15
      +1
      For a couple of hours, the news appeared:

      The Turkish authorities intend to build a railway that will connect the territory of the country with Azerbaijan, Transport and Infrastructure Minister Adil Karaismayiloglu said.

      “We are planning to build a railway in the direction of Nakhichevan,” the minister said (quoted by Anadolu agency).

      In 2020, an intergovernmental Azerbaijani-Turkish Memorandum of Understanding was signed on the Kars-Ygdir-Nakhichevan railway line.
  2. Ramadan
    Ramadan 12 November 2020 12: 13
    +2
    "Therefore, now Yerevan should not be very surprised that everyone in Baku is so happy ..." - Armenians are now surprised at a completely different way, how all this happened in general.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 12 November 2020 12: 29
      10
      And what is there to be surprised? In the 16th year, even here, in the depths of the Siberian ores, it was clear that "the second part of the Marlezon ballet" was coming. And what did you do in Armenia? Army? Karabakh? No, the power sawed !!! Drank fool
  3. ssnyper2007
    ssnyper2007 12 November 2020 12: 25
    +7
    Very careful article)
    The fact that the Armenians, no matter how fraternal they were to us, are themselves to blame for the policy of two chairs and frank resting on their laurels of the past years, was not written by the lazy. The Azerbaijanis are great, they have calculated everything clearly - the war of liberation, the unrecognized NKR, and an effective military operation.
    I have a feeling that we were aware from the very beginning - how carefully we took the settlements, how sharply everyone agreed and deployed our contingent ...
    It's just as if they didn't agree with the elder, ok, then at school after school
    It's a pity the guys on both sides were left lying there simply because of the pride and short-sightedness of politicians. Although this can be said about every war
    At the same time, although it is too early to draw conclusions, there are also advantages for Russia - the problem of the stress point in the powder keg of the Transcaucasus for the foreseeable future has been resolved; the approach is pragmatically shown that the CSTO is not a free army to drive when necessary; valuable experience of using UAVs against technology close to us has been obtained (maybe even now we will start developing loitering ammunition); whatever one may say, dear to our heart Pashinyan is on the way out (it will be very interesting to watch the changes in the political arena of Armenia)
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 12 November 2020 12: 35
      15
      The Azerbaijanis are great, they have calculated everything clearly - the war of liberation, the unrecognized NKR, and an effective military operation.
      Moreover, Aliyev behaved very competently while the fighting was going on. He did not allow a single attack towards Russia. Accordingly, it did not give a reason for an outburst of anti-Azerbaijani sentiments among Russian citizens. And stopped in time.
      1. ssnyper2007
        ssnyper2007 12 November 2020 12: 36
        +5
        I agree, I say well done, very disciplined. This gives rise to the idea of ​​some initial "rules of the game".
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 12 November 2020 12: 42
      +4
      As experience shows, Russia's getting into such situations, when the "surplus" territories are being shared or old claims are being sorted out, never got good. Take the same Armenia and Georgia. Historically, they tried to use Russia in the internecine war of principalities and clans for their own benefit, completely ignoring the interests of Russia itself. Russia received the result only when the same Armenians and Georgians were driven by the Persians and Turks to a desperate state, when the kirdyk full of them loomed. Only then was the intervention of Russia both accepted and appreciated with gratitude. Now there is no such situation.
      1. ssnyper2007
        ssnyper2007 12 November 2020 12: 47
        +2
        This is true not only for the Transcaucasia, it is generally ubiquitous - Bulgarians, Ukrainians, even brothers, Belarusians, and those ... All small but proud, until they pin it down.
        I am sincerely close to the Armenians, as fellow believers and striving for the most part to the CSTO, unlike the same Georgians and Balts, but the Motherland is nevertheless closer. Therefore, I am glad to finally have a pragmatic approach in terms of foreign policy, although I understand how thin everything is, because this is not Angola at the end of the earth, but at our borders.
    3. La Peruse
      La Peruse 12 November 2020 12: 52
      +1
      No, unfortunately, the Russian Federation lost on all fronts, Edrogan, with the hands of Aliyev, forced the Russian Federation to accept what he needed, Aliyev is not feeble-minded and, with red, understood all the benefits. Roughly speaking, according to the agreements, not the Azerbaijanis forced the Armenians to leave the territory of the Russian Federation. And on whom do the cones fall from the Armenians now?
      1. ssnyper2007
        ssnyper2007 12 November 2020 13: 02
        +2
        It is quite possible that there was a certain ultimatum in Aliyev's position, but the calculation was correct - they say we will start this way, but we are ready to try to come to an agreement, and if it does not work out, then "we will beat carefully, but strongly", while, as I already said our benefits were also there, and it turned out to be the last straw.
        The question of the excessive influence of Ankara in Azerbaijan is really something that needs to be worked on, and in another article the correct thesis was voiced that this influence can sideways for Aliyev, as not enough "his own" and not radical enough.
        Another question is that after the SAR, Libya and now the NKR, Russia suffered reputational damage, which requires an indicative response to Erdogan, and not a quiet creeping operation in Idlib. The tail must be pressed from the heart
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 13 November 2020 16: 08
          -1
          Quote: ssnyper2007
          Another question is that after SAR, Libya

          And what happened in the SAR and Libya?
          1. ssnyper2007
            ssnyper2007 14 November 2020 00: 21
            0
            The occupation of Idlib and the escape of Haftar
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 14 November 2020 13: 36
              -2
              Quote: ssnyper2007
              Occupation of Idlib

              Idlib has not been under the control of the SAR since 2011.
              Quote: ssnyper2007
              Haftar's escape

              First, he retreated from Tripoli, half of Libya is still under his control. Secondly, how does the Russian Federation relate to this?
              Quote: ssnyper2007
              Russia suffered reputational damage

              There is no damage. And even more so after the NKR, on the contrary, the reputation increased. Do you read the foreign press?
              1. ssnyper2007
                ssnyper2007 15 November 2020 22: 26
                0
                Idlib has not been under the control of the SAR since 2011.

                Turkish troops have been there since 2011?
                First, he retreated from Tripoli, half of Libya is still under his control. Secondly, how does the Russian Federation relate to this?

                He did not retreat, but slept through the offensive and was harassed. Have you been in self-isolation at the dacha all this time? If not for Egypt, he would have been driven and driven
                There is no damage. And even more so after the NKR, on the contrary, the reputation increased. Do you read the foreign press?

                Indeed, twice Turkish troops and their proxies came out openly against our interests and they succeeded. This is not damage, it just coincided. As for the NKR, I said from the very beginning that there are advantages for us. But it was, as they say, on the flag, and bayraktars, so colorfully showing themselves to everyone knows where they are doing.
                By indirect signs (and this is the vast majority of ordinary people), it looks like the Turks are a real force, and we are big, yes, but we snot
                1. CSKA
                  CSKA 17 November 2020 12: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  Turkish troops have been there since 2011?

                  Idlib was made a place for opposition by mutual agreement. The SAR considered that Turkey would not intervene and the clash was moved to the offensive. Turkey intervened. What were we supposed to do? Unleash a war with Turkey because of a small province and because the SAR considered itself very strong? Our one call put everyone at the negotiating table.
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  He did not retreat, but slept through the offensive and was harassed. Have you been in self-isolation at the dacha all this time? If not for Egypt, he would have been driven and driven

                  )))) What do you mean overslept? Yeah didn't notice. For a long time, Turkey brought mercenaries and modern weapons, and Haftar all hoped for the UAE, Egypt and France. What will they affect.
                  Here are just how the Russian Federation relates to all this. You there, too, on self-isolation were not aware that from the very beginning we tried to seat them at the negotiating table, in particular in Moscow.
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  Indeed, twice Turkish troops and their proxies came out openly against our interests and they succeeded.

                  What interests? When they tried to throw off our ally and hurt our interests, then we brought in troops, and what are our interests in Idlib? I will repeat myself. This province was made a cesspool for all the so-called opposition. As expected, the SAR was divided into zones of influence. What interests are there in Libya? We do not act there on one of the sides.
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  As for the NKR, I said from the very beginning that there are advantages for us.

                  OK. And what are the cons?
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  and the bayraktars, who showed themselves so colorfully to everyone knows where they do

                  So what? From the fact that everyone knows where they are made, someone will decide that we will not fit in with our allies? 2008, 2014, 2015 and actually 2020 with the situation in Belarus when the unit was formed, proved the opposite.
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  By indirect evidence (and this is the vast majority of ordinary people)

                  Have you conducted a poll or a referendum?))))) You do not pass your thoughts off as those of the majority.
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  looks like turks are real power

                  And what headless man would have thought they were not power?
                  Quote: ssnyper2007
                  , and we are big, yes, but we chew snot

                  Where did you notice this? In 2008, 2014, 2015? How is this shown? Is it that they did not take one of the sides in the NKR?
                  1. ssnyper2007
                    ssnyper2007 17 November 2020 17: 19
                    0
                    Idlib made a place for opposition by mutual agreement

                    I will answer with your own words - did you hold the candle? You shouldn't be so categorical, especially about what you can only guess.
                    On the subject - we had to do exactly what you started with. Agree and prevent the Tukras from introducing troops uncontrollably... Immediately start with joint patrolling. Because it looked not at all like "agreed", but like "we will enter and no one will interfere with us"
                    from the very beginning we tried to seat them at the negotiating table, in particular in Moscow

                    and what did it give? Only our sworn partners on all channels trumpeted (initially!) That it was Moscow behind Haftar, not France, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt, and the Western media gladly attribute all his defeats to our account. Especially after the miracle MiGs, which in the media space looked like a pathetic attempt to do at least something. Then again - as soon as Egypt pushed tanks to the border, the whole offensive faded at Sirte. This is the result,
                    and not what is indicated in your quote above.
                    And what are the cons?

                    Yes, everything is the same - while we are trying to reconcile everyone, the Turks are demonstrating concrete results of the work of the troops.
                    Yes, I understand perfectly well that not everything is so simple, and that we are not a "key NATO ally", and we do not want to quarrel with the Turks, and they will immediately throw sanctions on us if we are as brave
                    But the fact remains and you can argue with me as much as you like - all the successes of the Turks in the SAR, Libya and the NKR were against, albeit somewhere imaginary, the allies of the Russian Federation (I am silent about the Armenians and the CSTO), and therefore the interests of the Russian Federation.
                    Only these are not special operations, about which no one is aware, these are conflicts that are well covered in the media, on the basis of which public opinion is formed, persistently led to a simple sequence that everything is possible against the allies of the Russian Federation, and there will be nothing in response.
                    In assessing geopolitical nuances, I may be ready to agree with you, and the mood of the masses does not determine the foreign policy of a normal state, but in my opinion, this is a pernicious tendency that must be resolutely suppressed. Maybe not in relation to Turkey, but you need to show strength.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 12 November 2020 13: 46
        -8
        your RF is always losing
      3. MBRSS
        MBRSS 12 November 2020 22: 35
        -1
        Russia is not the winner, for sure. If there was any HPP (which is doubtful), then it worked with a delay. Now there are also 2000 people. to keep the contingent where they are not particularly useful for our security. But there are still risks of losing people. This is the "brilliant" foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 13 November 2020 16: 14
          0
          Quote: MBRBS
          Now there are also 2000 people. keep contingents where they are not particularly useful for our safety

          Do you know the meaning of the word peacemakers?
          Quote: MBRBS
          But there are still risks of losing people. This is the "brilliant" foreign policy of the Russian Federation.

          The whole world saw just a brilliant foreign policy. But of course, people like you can't see it. No one could stop the war, neither the United States, nor France, everyone just talked, but the Russian Federation stopped it. But it turns out this is a bad foreign policy.
          And this whining from people like you will never end. When the war began in Libya, we began to cry that it turns out that Gaddafi was abandoned, despite the fact that he was not our ally and tried to sit on two chairs, for which he paid with his head. In the SAR, the war began, we started crying that Assad was being drained, troops were brought in, whining began that it was like a second Afghanistan.
          Whatever is done, the critics will whine.
          1. MBRSS
            MBRSS 13 November 2020 20: 44
            +1
            Okay, are you ready to go now and spend the winter in Karabakh for the sake of a peacekeeping mission? This I mean, you need to use preventive "soft power", on time! (where necessary - incentives, where necessary - sanctions, and where necessary - bribery of officials), and not be scattered by peacekeepers. In addition, it is possible that there is a mission in the Donbass ahead (there our "diplomacy" did not bring the matter to at least the borders of the regions, at one time, when "the stars favored"). We do not have enough people or money for all local conflicts. And this is not whining, but criticism. Fair.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 22
      0
      Quote: ssnyper2007
      we were aware from the very beginning

      Do you think that the Russian Federation participated in the war against an ally in the CSTO?
      Do you understand what it smells like?
      If Russia owned info about Baku's intentions and:
      1. Did not inform Yerevan
      2. Didn't stop Baku
      then it goes against the CSTO.
      1. ssnyper2007
        ssnyper2007 13 November 2020 09: 39
        0
        Not certainly in that way. Participated - no. But about intentions - and even more. The fact that Baku was preparing for a military operation is not a secret at all, they were rearming and pulling together their forces without really hiding. But the Armenians did not really believe that there would be a military option at all, and I am sure we knew. At least based on the results of operational work. And I'm still sure that the attempt to come to an agreement was, if not "for three", then for "two" for sure. And when it became clear that it was not an option to come to an agreement with Pashinyan, and there would be a force option, then agreements were reached on certain red lines, beyond which Baku does not go.
        Now I would like to dwell on your "did not stop Baku" - a) Baku clearly calculated the conjunction of the moment and, in fact, put forward an ultimatum, b) whatever you may say, such a decision was beneficial to us because it closes the NKR issue in a controlled manner and removes tension and changes the political situation in Armenia, where now you know who is in power and c) NKR is an unrecognized region of Azerbaijan, on what basis will we send troops there?
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 November 2020 12: 25
    +1
    It turned out somehow stupid. They did not recognize Karabakh and created a lot of problems for themselves.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 12 November 2020 19: 08
      +2
      Karabakh is an internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan. The Russian Federation also recognizes this. How the recognition of Karabakh could help Armenia - only the author of the article knows
  5. SaLaR
    SaLaR 12 November 2020 12: 39
    0
    They outsmarted themselves .................
  6. alma
    alma 12 November 2020 12: 59
    13
    Yerevan politicians still refuse to liquidate the biological laboratories that have been operating in the country since the early 2000s. In fact, they are American ... all this is happening with the complete silence of official Moscow regarding Armenia

    It was necessary to talk harder with the Armenian side for a long time. Our Foreign Ministry is waiting for something ...
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  8. ultra
    ultra 12 November 2020 13: 36
    +7
    Abkhazia does not strive for Russia; they are quite satisfied with only Russian subsidies.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 24
      +3
      Quote: ultra
      Abkhazia does not strive for Russia

      She is all imprisoned for Turkey. Last year the discussion was
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 12 November 2020 14: 33
        +5
        Yes. I remember during the "tomato" war between Russia and Turkey, the Turks quickly got their bearings and began to import their "sanctioned tomatoes" and other products from Turkey, but through, as it were, Abkhazian "firms". The Abkhaz got a taste of it, and now the Turks are settling there in full, it's beneficial to both sides .... And Russia ... And what about Russia? Russia, as usual, "sees nothing" .... and if it does, it cannot do anything ....
      2. ultra
        ultra 12 November 2020 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        She is all imprisoned for Turkey.

        She is "imprisoned" on herself, from this and all the problems.
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 November 2020 16: 04
    +2
    Quote: WFP
    We read the Caspian Convention slowly. Everything is written there (including on military ships of coastal states). The Trans-Caspian gas pipeline is a matter of time.

    no one will allow anything to stretch along the bottom of the Caspian ...  laughing
  10. X-factor
    X-factor 12 November 2020 16: 50
    +2
    There is no talk about holding Karabakh. In general, there is talk that the Armenians will live according to the laws of Azerbaijan, with Azerbaijani passports. Karabakh is a sovereign territory of Azerbaijan, citizens of Azerbaijan will live there, regardless of nationality. Pashinyan, by signing the surrender, secured a place of residence for the Armenians. If I had not signed, they would not have set foot on these lands ...
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 12 November 2020 18: 30
      0
      X-factor "There is no talk about holding Karabakh"
      there is no talk at all about Karabakh.)))) Where is it spelled out. that they will live according to the laws of Azerbaijan?))) De jure, it is the territory of Azerbaijan, and de facto, while there is no agreement, this territory is not under the control of the Azerbaijani authorities. They will have to give the Armenians the broadest autonomy.))) Whether they like it or not.))) It's not a fact that they will sign something else. The same Azerbaijan will have to spend enough time and resources to restore the destroyed regions, restore normal life there. And for a long time they will not care about the Armenians remaining in Karabakh.))) In this sense, Russian peacekeepers will be in demand by all parties to the conflict.
  11. Old26
    Old26 12 November 2020 17: 38
    +4
    Quote: La Peruse
    What can you take with the impoverished Kyrgyzstan?

    Among the main types of minerals: gold, mercury, antimony, rare earths, tin, tungsten... Few?

    Quote: La Peruse
    Why should I be afraid to defend some kind of Kyrgyzstan?

    Does someone make you? No one will defend her if there is no outside aggression. And aggression can only come from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, China. None of the aforementioned countries seek to conquer Kyrgyzstan. so take it easy, you don't have to defend. But Tajikistan, under the CSTO treaty, will have to be defended if necessary. And Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan too. Perhaps together with Kazakhstan ...
    For in the south they have a neighbor who can move to the North ...

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    The Turks and the British (maybe China) are delighted. They received direct access to Central Asia bypassing Russia.

    Forget about the English. They are like an empire in the past. And if at the beginning of the twentieth century they could still do politics, now they are no longer. Somewhere only economic projects. China and so considered the countries of the Caucasus. as an alternative to the "silk road" .. And even in the absence of these events, he could use it without straining.

    Quote: Ilya-spb
    The exit is not direct, but through the Caspian Sea.
    Whose fleet dominates the Caspian? Remind me?

    Not necessarily through the Caspian. The route through Northern Iran may be cheaper. And then this route does not care, whose fleet dominates the Caspian

    Quote: Ilya-spb
    I recommend to draw circles of anti-ship missile and caliber flight radii.

    Well, in the Caspian it seems there are a couple of pennants with Uranus, and a couple of pennants with Calibers. If you want to control the Caspian, there is no problem. draw a circle with a radius of about 400 km. And what, the fleet (or rather the flotilla) will sink everyone and everything? In neutral waters? that is, to pirate? As for the anti-ship missiles, they are, like a number of warships and Iran. And if he is interested in this path, he will hinder. To do this, it is enough to enable the courts to go through the TV of Iran.
  12. BAI
    BAI 12 November 2020 19: 07
    +3
    When there was a war in Karabakh in the 90s, there was such infa: "The Armenians constantly prepared for war, strove to serve in the most combat-ready parts of the USSR, in particular, the Pacific Fleet marines were mentioned. And they won then. But now the USSR is gone, the military there is nowhere to prepare, and this is the result.
  13. icant007
    icant007 13 November 2020 16: 02
    0
    The fact that Baku could not recognize the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (along with the right of Stepanakert to self-determination) is quite understandable. Even in spite of the fact that historically the Armenian population predominated in Karabakh. But mostly under management Azerbaijani officials.


    Again twenty-five. They repeat the same story.
    In the NKAO, during the Soviet era, in the majority of cases, Armenians were in key positions.
    Otherwise, in February 110, 1988 deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the NKAO voted for joining Armenia.
    If the overwhelming majority of Azerbaijanis were at the helm in Karabakh at the time of 1988, then we would not even know about Karabakh.
    Either the conflict developed completely differently.
  14. bandabas
    bandabas 13 November 2020 16: 54
    -2
    Until now, no answer has been heard for the shot down "turntable" on the territory of a country that is not at war. It looks like the "guarantor" will lick the Azeri besides the Turet ones.
  15. certero
    certero 14 November 2020 22: 23
    0
    Quote: La Peruse
    The USSR was also under sanctions.

    Above, sorry, but compared the ass with a finger. The Soviet Union had an idea, but what about Russia?
  16. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 16 November 2020 08: 53
    0
    Pashinyan's betrayal and treason, that's the whole answer.