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"The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy

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"The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy

Active discussion of the question of the real culprits of the attack on the Russian Mi-24 helicopter continues. Recall that the helicopter was shot down exactly one day ago in the skies over Armenia - a few kilometers from the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan and almost a couple of hundred kilometers from the war zone in Nagorno-Karabakh.


Experts are concerned that the recognition by official Baku of the fact of striking the Mi-24 with statements about the accidentalness of this strike may turn out to be an attempt by the official authorities of Azerbaijan to shield the real culprits.

In the 60 Minutes program on the Russia 1 channel, experts in the studio hypothesized that a third party could be behind the attack on the Russian helicopter. And Turkey is named as such a country.

It was noted that certain forces in Turkey could well have gone to provocation in order to disrupt the prepared agreements on peace in Karabakh. The signing of the joint statement could at least be postponed, and during this time Stepanakert could be lost by the Armenian side.

The program said that Russia has a "good (long) memory" and if the involvement of the Turkish side becomes clear, then "Russia knows about the locations of the Turkish officers."

The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

The Constantinople question is not closed.

And he added that Turkey should not forget that "Russia defeated her 10 times."

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the names of the Russian officers who died - members of the Mi-24 crew. These are Senior Lieutenant Roman Fedin and Major Yuri Ishchuk.

Putin:

The pilot-operator, flight navigator was also injured. We wish him a speedy recovery.

Meanwhile, the Bloomberg news service, publishing material about the Karabakh agreement, writes that "Erdogan has entered Putin's backyard."
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  1. Rumblings
    Rumblings 10 November 2020 19: 43
    +5
    Oh, this Tolstoy, you don't need enemies with him, he'll blurt out the absurd, but he knows he won't answer.
    1. spirit
      spirit 10 November 2020 19: 53
      11
      The work is such a talking head that they will say and say) the task of smearing Isayraydzhan was set, now these "specialists" will drag everyone: Biden, Trump, Sores, Turkey, Massonov, reptilians) all but not Isayraydzhan
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 05
        +1
        "The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy

        Call the orderlies!
        1. Commissar77
          Commissar77 10 November 2020 20: 16
          -6
          "The question of Constantinople is not closed"

          He thinks about Constantinople, but his Turks will already be sitting in the hallway. Thinks strategically, you won't say anything

          “I would also like to express my gratitude today to the President of the Republic of Turkey, Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, for his active participation in the political settlement of the conflict and one of the points of today's statement is the joint peacekeeping mission of Russia and Turkey. Thus, we are creating a new perfect format of interaction in the region not only within the framework of the conflict settlement, but also in the future development, ”Aliyev said.

          Putin doesn't mind, as the official video shows.

          Watch from 3:55 minutes

          1. figwam
            figwam 10 November 2020 20: 26
            +5
            The Constantinople question is not closed.

            Or maybe the big game has begun?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 31
              -4
              Yeah ... In "pocket billiards" ... Only it did not end. laughing
              1. figwam
                figwam 10 November 2020 20: 51
                +2
                Quote: lexus
                Only it did not end.

                Turkey has started active actions at the moment 1 round is over, if Turkey continues, then Russia will have to react.
                1. Igor Semenov
                  Igor Semenov 10 November 2020 23: 52
                  +6
                  I have no doubt that Turkey will continue. The rest is in great doubt
                  1. Chervonny
                    Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 27
                    15
                    Quote: Igor Semenov
                    I have no doubt that Turkey will continue

                    They will continue exactly as long as Erdogan is not put in place. The fact that he will be put in his place I personally have strong doubts.
                2. Arlen
                  Arlen 11 November 2020 02: 41
                  +8
                  Quote: figvam
                  Turkey has started active actions at the moment 1 round is over

                  It depends on what to take as a starting point for active actions. If, for example, we start the countdown from Syria, then Karabakh is probably already the 4th round. hi
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 10 November 2020 20: 32
              +3
              Quote: figvam
              Or maybe the big game has begun?

              Tolstoy's delirium began. In this case, only Putin's position matters.
            3. mole
              mole 10 November 2020 20: 57
              -1
              Quote: figvam

              Or maybe the big game has begun?

              The big game must not stop. Only these actions should be calculated a few moves ahead, but we somehow succeed in a moment. Why shove our peacekeepers there, in which, in my opinion, the Armenians will most likely throw at least tomatoes ??? Would they have waited, they would have received an official appeal, after that to consolidate the effect - they would have waited, and only then they would have decided !!!
              But the country is big! According to the statements made at the "symposia", there are a lot of "conditionally superfluous" or that does not fit into the objective reality of the market. Let's break through !!!
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 10 November 2020 21: 20
                +7
                Only these actions should be calculated several moves ahead, but we somehow get it right away.

                Probably not. Today everything seems to be right. Better solutions in my opinion are difficult to come up with.
                Why shove our peacekeepers there

                Designate positions.
                in which, in my opinion, the Armenians are likely to throw at least tomatoes ???

                Armenians? In Stepanokert? Rather, they will kiss their hands. in Yerevan? Well, these should be brought to their senses.
                Would they have waited, they would have received an official appeal, after that, to consolidate the effect, they would have waited, and only then they would have decided !!

                If they had waited, the Azerbaijanis would have entered Stepanokert, and no peacekeepers would have been needed there.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 10 November 2020 21: 34
                  +3
                  Both the Defense Ministry and the Armenian General Staff of the opposition have already explained on their fingers what would have happened if not for the Joint Statement.
                  IMHO, they continue to make noise in Yerevan in order to throw Pashinyan off.
                  This is a very convenient case.
                  When else will this fall?
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 10 November 2020 21: 36
                    +3
                    they continue to make noise in Yerevan in order to throw off Pashinyan.
                    This is a very convenient case. When else will this fall?

                    Well, the main thing is that they do not play over throwing off and do not refuse agreements.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 10 November 2020 21: 37
                      +1
                      They were not going to throw off the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense.
                      On the contrary. wink
                    2. Alex777
                      Alex777 10 November 2020 21: 43
                      +2
                      By the way, the highlight of the Joint Statement is that it was made in accordance with the UN resolutions adopted long ago.
                      Therefore, there was no place for the Turks. bully
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 10 November 2020 21: 54
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Both the Defense Ministry and the Armenian General Staff of the opposition have already explained on their fingers what would have happened if not for the Joint Statement.
                    IMHO, they continue to make noise in Yerevan in order to throw Pashinyan off.
                    This is a very convenient case.
                    When else will this fall?

                    there is a sacred western cow - Sargsyan, Pashinyan can donate, so Sargsyan like "learned from the media"
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 10 November 2020 21: 58
                      +1
                      there is a sacred western cow - Sargsyan ... that's why Sargsyan like "found out from the media"

                      We live in an interesting time.
                      He still has a lot to learn from the media. wink
                2. poquello
                  poquello 10 November 2020 21: 50
                  -7
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Today everything seems to be right. Better solutions in my opinion are difficult to come up with.

                  uh, you could have thrown the Kadyrovites there - lower the Turkish banner of Islam
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 22: 15
                    +5
                    ... Throw the Kadyrovites there - to lower the Turkish banner of Islam

                    His abreks would rather raise the banner of Islam than let it pass.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 10 November 2020 22: 17
                      +3
                      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      ... Throw the Kadyrovites there - to lower the Turkish banner of Islam

                      His abreks would rather raise the banner of Islam than let it pass.

                      here is not to confuse the "banner of Islam" and the "Turkish banner of Islam"
                    2. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
                      VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 13 November 2020 15: 43
                      0
                      The Kadyrovites were trained in the camps on the territory of Ayzeirbarjan! It used to be full of terrorist training camps!
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach 11 November 2020 01: 04
                    +1
                    uh, you could have thrown the Kadyrovites there - lower the Turkish banner of Islam

                    It is not entirely clear for what purpose. In the Muslim regions of Syria, they are appropriate. In Karabakh ... well, I don't even know. In my opinion it is better not to irritate the Armenians once again.
                3. mole
                  mole 10 November 2020 22: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: alexmach

                  Probably not. Today everything seems to be right. Better solutions in my opinion are difficult to come up with.

                  If you wait a couple of days, let everyone let the steam down, so that they themselves understand what Chapter they need? Pro-Russian or ....?

                  Designate positions.

                  Designated. What's next? Everything is possible, express concern, designate positions, etc. But what are the real advantages to us ???

                  Armenians? In Stepanokert? Rather, they will kiss their hands. in Yerevan? Well, these should be brought to their senses.

                  In daylight, not only hands. In the dark - life will show. But I am inclined to the opposite idea. While Vanya will row for them, I'll kiss you. As soon as it stops, it will turn into a bazaar.

                  If they had waited, the Azerbaijanis would have entered Stepanokert, and no peacekeepers would have been needed there.

                  Why are you so drowning for the Armenians ??? Where and in what exactly is your benefit, or the benefit of the Russian Federation ???? They are strangers to me for a long time, that those that others! Strangers !!! Internationalism?
                  PS Sorry for the links. Punctuation marks in links are inadequate.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 11 November 2020 01: 17
                    +5
                    If you wait a couple of days, let everyone let the steam down, so that they themselves understand what Chapter they need? Pro-Russian or ....?

                    Armenians? Sure, not a problem. Let them understand as much as they need. And with the introduction of peacekeepers it was impossible to wait, the war had to be stopped until the complete defeat, which would have been inevitable, and ethnic cleansing was also impossible.
                    Designated. What's next? Everything is possible, express concern, designate positions, etc. But what are the real advantages to us ???

                    Pros:
                    1. Stopped the bloodshed in your underbelly.
                    2. At the same time, they did not get involved in the conflict itself, and did not even seem to quarrel with either Azerbaijan or Turkey
                    3. And they defended the Armenians of Karabakh. Themselves personally covering themselves. Have not abandoned an ally. They really supported him.
                    4. Moreover, anti-Russian forces in Armenia clicked on the nose.
                    What are the concerns, what are the concerns? Deploying a peacekeeping contingent during the day is not a concern, this is real action, but titanic diplomatic work preceded it. I must say that the Russian authorities are doing well now, and that a day ago it was not at all so obvious.
                    Why are you so drowning for the Armenians ??? Where and in what exactly is your benefit, or the benefit of the Russian Federation ???? They are strangers to me for a long time, that those that others! Strangers !!! Internationalism?

                    For the interests of Russia in the Transcaucasus, I am drowning first of all and for nothing more. It looks like Russia in a difficult situation was able to protect them. Well, the Armenians, after all, are not completely strangers to us. 200 years of joint history still have a certain force. Wild, it's true, but not strangers.
            4. Chervonny
              Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 28
              13
              Quote: figvam
              Or maybe the big game has begun?

              Does not look like. I think that Tolstoy is not the kind of person to voice the beginning of the game ... If one of the former officials of the Foreign Ministry voiced it ... But no, it doesn't look like it.
              Although it is difficult for us to understand when the game starts and when it ends.
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 10 November 2020 20: 31
            11
            Well, what did you want, when Pashikyan began to plant soros everywhere, and to expel the Russian language, it was already clear, there was a lot of blood. Wherever the ears of this Hungarian Jew stick out, double-mindedness and betrayal flourish. The Turks barely managed to arrange a second 15 year. and it's not a fact that Pashikyan even wanted to do something, besides to work out his pieces of silver, the Russians came in spite of his plans ..
          3. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 21: 40
            0
            I didn't even look. This picture is for us, sorry, suckers. I can't even imagine how THEY cut the pie in reality.
          4. poquello
            poquello 10 November 2020 21: 59
            +2
            Quote: Military Commissar77
            Putin doesn't mind

            so this is not a statement, there is no statement in the statement - it is inconvenient to correct a colleague, and even on camera)
          5. Stas157
            Stas157 10 November 2020 23: 33
            +6
            Quote: Military Commissar77
            Putin doesn't mind, as the official video shows.

            Aliyev just glows with happiness! And the losing side, as some want to imagine, is clearly not drawn. But in Armenia, on the contrary, the people are dissatisfied.
            1. Altona
              Altona 11 November 2020 00: 01
              +8
              Quote: Stas157
              Aliyev just glows with happiness! And the losing side, as some want to imagine, is clearly not drawn. But in Armenia, on the contrary, the people are dissatisfied.

              ------------------------------
              Aliyev won outright. The "security belt" (the notorious 8 regions) was removed, an extraterritorial (that is, uncontrolled by the Armenians, even though the cannons were carried) road to Nakhichevan (analogous to the Danzig corridor in fact) appeared, the Armenian forces were completely expelled, Shusha is "our" (that is, Azerbaijani). Clear victory. In 5 years, they will also get rid of the peacekeepers under various pretexts. Everything I wanted in this round was received and even more than expected.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 11 November 2020 07: 12
                +5
                Yes. And he essentially fixes what has been achieved. Now nobody will challenge the new frontiers. To his delight, there were no international sanctions, and most importantly, Russia agreed to such an outcome. And he decided not to be impudent, he was quite satisfied with this (intermediate) result.
          6. flicker
            flicker 11 November 2020 01: 40
            +1
            Erdogan put his soldiers there in Karabakh immeasurably. He so wanted Russia to be forced to resolve the issue of peace with Erdogan (and not with Aliyev).
            Those. Turkey utilized its askers in order not only to gain a foothold in the Transcaucasian region, but to seize the political initiative from Aliyev.
            And Aliyev understands this very well.
            Therefore, he does not need any Erdogan in Azerbaijan.
            As a result, Turkey was not included in the peacekeepers.
            And she was very offended, so she tried not only to disrupt the agreement, but also to expose Azerbaijan to a crushing blow (attack on a helicopter), in fact to destroy Azerbaijan.
            Aliyev formally thanks Erdogan (for the public), but in fact he does not want to see the Turks.
            ---
            it is to be expected that the Turks will begin to remove Aliyev.
            ---
            They did what the Turks usually do with the Turks.
        2. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 10 November 2020 20: 17
          +5
          Those experts in the studio ...
          Only the sofa experts are worse than them! laughing
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 22
            0
            "To smoke a sofa is not to roll bags." (FROM) lol
        3. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 10 November 2020 20: 39
          14
          Quote: lexus
          "The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy

          Call the orderlies!

          What's the problem?
          Erdogan says the issue of Crimea is not closed? Declares.
          So I got a balancing statement. While on the lower level ...
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 11 November 2020 00: 11
            +3
            I agree. Tolstoy has just such an answer (I heard from members of the same party), they say, if Erdogan is hinting about Crimea, we will hint about Constantinople. Such a "local" approach, in the spirit of the Odessa market. Only for many people, including myself, the return of Constantinople is not a dream, but a fact that has been put off for a while.
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 10 November 2020 20: 46
          -9
          Quote: lexus

          Call the orderlies!

          Exactly. There is no such city for 90 years. Hallucinations
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 November 2020 21: 17
            0
            In the course of the "cuckoo" that "birdhouse" finally left.
        5. lucul
          lucul 10 November 2020 21: 32
          -3
          "The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy

          Call the orderlies!

          And think about your head?)))
          Pyotr Tolstoy addressed his speech to the Turks, precisely those who are opponents of Erdogan, and who most likely shot down our helicopter.
          So, Tolstoy hinted that in the event of their coming to power, and further policy pursued to exacerbate with Russia, then Russia will simply take Constantinople, like the lands lying on the European side of the strait.
          What is incomprehensible here?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 November 2020 21: 39
            +1
            Quote: lucul
            So, Tolstoy hinted that in the event of their coming to power, and further policy pursued to exacerbate with Russia, then Russia will simply take Constantinople, like the lands lying on the European side of the strait.
            What is incomprehensible here?

            Finish off with ren-tv .. Prokopenko nervously smokes ..
            1. lucul
              lucul 10 November 2020 21: 42
              -2
              Finish off with ren-tv .. Prokopenko nervously smokes ..

              You still haven't moved away from the 90s? ))))
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 22: 22
            +2
            ... What's incomprehensible?

            This:
            ... Russia will simply take Constantinople

            They in the Duma buffet mix something hallucinogenic in foie gras, or what?
          3. Altona
            Altona 11 November 2020 00: 03
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            Russia will simply take Constantinople

            ------------
            Will the notorious shield be nailed to the gates again? And who will this conventional Oleg be?
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 11 November 2020 11: 53
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            Pyotr Tolstoy addressed his speech to the Turks, precisely those who are opponents of Erdogan, and who most likely shot down our helicopter.

            Quote: lucul
            What is incomprehensible here?

            then it is necessary to broadcast in Turkey, but to be honest, this fat Turks don't give a damn, who is he to them? Poz!
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 11 November 2020 06: 31
        +1
        Quote: spirit
        the task of smearing Isayraydjan was set

        And what to excuse him? Aliyev instantly confessed to all the grave problems. Suspiciously instantly. Is it not on the "advice" of your elder brother, who is very undesirable to be accused of another knife in the back of Russia?
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 11 November 2020 06: 47
        +1
        and masons are reptilians? or not?............................................... .................................................
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 27
          15
          Quote: antivirus
          and masons are reptilians? or not?

          No, they are dinosaurs wink laughing Although there are similarities between reptilians and dinosaurs bully
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 November 2020 19: 58
      -6
      Quote: Merkit
      Oh, this Tolstoy, you don't need enemies with him, he'll blurt out the absurd, but he knows he won't answer.

      You are not right . Count Pyotr Tolstoy, and he is Count, whether you like it or not !! Two weeks ago he said that the Karabakh war will end with the introduction of Russian peacekeepers. The authorities must have a public person who voices the future, to potential opponents. Let them listen. and beware of wrong actions.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 04
        +6
        Quote: 30 vis

        You are not right . Count Pyotr Tolstoy, and he is Count

        About him that three hands or two heads .. how does he differ from not count? where does the count .. some kind of obscurantism .. and if I am an honored shaman, what, automatically, I will be the authority for you ..
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 08
          -3
          The "squirrel" was visited by quite an ordinary one.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 11
            -6
            Quote: lexus
            The "squirrel" was visited by quite an ordinary one.

            Taki hasn't let him go for a long time, here's the problem ... I have repeatedly seen a bowed posture in front of all kinds of regalia that the crystal bakers did not distribute to themselves ...
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 25
              0
              That "baubles" and "tsatski", characteristic of the "special" contingent.
            2. Altona
              Altona 11 November 2020 00: 07
              +4
              Quote: Svarog
              which the crushers gave out to themselves ...

              -------------------------
              Volodya, they amuse themselves with the dream that they will become nobles. They do not read the adopted laws, but there they already write directly that a foreign citizen can become a "senator for life". Cool, isn't it? Again the Schleswig-Holstein and all sorts of Gottorp with the Hohenzollerns at the throne will sit down, serf slaves will start flogging on Saturdays.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 10 November 2020 20: 17
          -5
          Quote: Svarog
          About him that three hands or two heads .. how does he differ from not count?

          The fact that his family is known and famous since ancient times, unlike mine and yours. Do you know who your great-great-grandfather was? What was his name, how did he distinguish himself in our fatherland?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 21
            +6
            Quote: 30 vis
            The fact that his family is known and famous since ancient times, unlike mine and yours. Do you know who your great-great-grandfather was? What was his name, how did he distinguish himself in our fatherland?

            Of course I know .. but you won't like it .. Great-grandfather served in the NKVD, grandfather served in the KGB .. this is on the paternal side .. But that does not mean that I work for the FSB .. Yuri is stupid, look at the great children .. nature is on they are resting .. and already about the titles, here in general, forgive the nonsense .. you should not bow down to the titles, you are a reasonable person .. or did you take away your roll after the revolution?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 35
              +1
              Do not interfere with your opponent's "brow beat".
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 10 November 2020 20: 48
              -2
              Quote: Svarog
              look at the great children .. nature is resting on them .. and already about titles, here in general, forgive nonsense .. you should not bow down to titles, you are a reasonable person .. or have you taken away a roll after the revolution?

              The loaf was not taken from my ancestors. They are ordinary farmers, great-great-grandfathers and great-grandfathers with grandfathers plowed the land. Only my grandfathers having given them land, the Soviet government declared enemies of the people. Well, that's a thing of the past. And the Tolstoy family has always served Russia. Leo Tolstoy alone has glorified this surname all over the world! Pyotr Tolstoy continues the glory of the surname. And your example ... Well ... Stalin's daughter and Khrushchev's son ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 10 November 2020 21: 42
                +5
                Quote: 30 vis
                Pyotr Tolstoy continues the glory of the surname

                So what is the glory, then explain to him that for Russia it was done by a "glorious descendant" ..
                Well ... Stalin's daughter and Khrushchev's son ...

                So I said earlier that nature rests on children ..
          2. Kavkasianec
            Kavkasianec 10 November 2020 20: 58
            -2
            Read what his ancestor writes about patriots ...
          3. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 10 November 2020 21: 33
            +9
            I know my one great-great-grandfather, great-grandfathers, grandfathers and, of course, parents. What's up with that? They were all respected people. They were engaged in different professions, some of them fought. What's up with that? Give me regalia and ephemeral ranks?
            Grafyev, excuse me, was abolished in 1917.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 11 November 2020 08: 28
              -2
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              I know my one great-great-grandfather, great-grandfathers, grandfathers and, of course, parents. What's up with that? They were all respected people. They were engaged in different professions, some of them fought. What's up with that? Give me regalia and ephemeral ranks?
              Grafyev, excuse me, was abolished in 1917.

              And the fact that you have an example of your worthy ancestors before your eyes. Parenting by example of a surname. Here it is. If there are thieves and scum in the family, then the heir. And the people of the surnames deserved before the Fatherland are standing across your throat.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 08: 33
                -3
                The son is not responsible for the father.
                This is what Comrade Stalin said. And in a good understanding, the heir to a good surname needs not to drop the honor of the family.
                The specified character is not very successful at this yet.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 11 November 2020 08: 35
                  -3
                  Comrade Stalin said a lot. And he sent families away completely with young children, dooming children to death .... - "The forest is being cut, the puppies are flying ..."
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 11 November 2020 11: 43
                    0
                    SONG ABOUT STALIN

                    In the vastness of the wonderful homeland,
                    Tempering in battles and labor,
                    We made a joyful song
                    About a great friend and leader.

                    Comrade Stalin, you are a great scientist,
                    You know a lot about linguistics
                    And I'm a simple Soviet prisoner,
                    And my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.
                    For what I’m sitting, I really don’t know
                    But the prosecutors are apparently right.
                    I am sitting today in the Turukhansk Territory,
                    Where you were in exile under the king.
                    We confessed to other people's sins right away,
                    Stage went towards evil fate.
                    We believed you so, Comrade Stalin,
                    How, perhaps, they did not believe themselves.
                    And here I am sitting in the Turukhansk region,
                    Where the guards, like dogs, are rude.
                    I understand all this, of course,
                    As an aggravation of the class struggle.
                    Either rain, now snow, then midges above us,
                    And we are in the taiga from morning to morning.
                    You made a flame out of a spark here
                    Thank you, I'm basking in the fire.
                    It’s harder for you, you are about everything
                    Take care at the dreary night,
                    Walking in the Kremlin office
                    Smoke the pipe without closing your eyes.
                    And we carry a hard cross for free
                    Smoky frost and raining longing
                    We, like trees, fall on bunks,
                    Unaware of the insomnia of leaders.
                    Yesterday we buried two Marxists,
                    The bodies were dressed in bright kumach.
                    One of them was a right dodger,
                    The other, as it turned out, had nothing to do with it.
                    He’s before he passes away forever,
                    The last words bequeathed to you,
                    He ordered me to deal with the evon case
                    And he cried out quietly: "Stalin is the head!"
                    You dream to us when in a party cap
                    And in a tunic you go to the parade.
                    We chop wood in a Stalinist way, and wood chips,
                    And the chips fly in all directions.
                    Live a thousand years, Comrade Stalin,
                    And let me die in the taiga
                    I believe there will be cast iron and steel
                    Per capita is quite.
          4. poquello
            poquello 10 November 2020 22: 15
            -3
            Quote: 30 vis
            Quote: Svarog
            About him that three hands or two heads .. how does he differ from not count?

            The fact that his family is known and famous since ancient times, unlike mine and yours. Do you know who your great-great-grandfather was? What was his name, how did he distinguish himself in our fatherland?

            the communists loved Tolstoy Leo as a classic, and forced him to teach children the verbiage, well, for me it is far from the best, but the excommunicator that in the country of atheism was commendable
            with the zeal of a fanatic the overthrow of all the dogmas of the Orthodox Church and the very essence of the Christian faith; rejects the personal Living God, glorified in the Holy Trinity, the creator and provident of the Universe, denies the Lord Jesus Christ - the God-man, Redeemer and Savior of the world, who suffered us for the sake of man and ours for salvation and rose from the dead, denies the divine conception through humanity of Christ the Lord and virginity before and after the birth of the Most Pure Theotokos, the Ever-Virgin Mary, does not recognize the afterlife and reward, rejects all the sacraments of the Church and the grace-filled action of the Holy Spirit in them, and, cursing the most sacred objects of faith of the Orthodox people, did not shudder to mock the greatest of the sacraments, the Holy Eucharist. Count Tolstoy preaches all of this continuously, in word and in writing, to the temptation and horror of the entire Orthodox world, and thus invisibly, but clearly before everyone, consciously and deliberately rejected himself from all communion with the Orthodox Church.
            The attempts that were made to his reason were unsuccessful. Therefore, the Church does not consider him a member.
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 10 November 2020 20: 21
          -1
          Take, read what this genus is known for. The Tolstoys did a lot for Russia.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 26
            +4
            Quote: 30 vis
            Take, read what this genus is known for. The Tolstoys did a lot for Russia.

            Yuri, what is more than Korolev or Stalin? I do not want to plead with the dignity of the Tolstoy .. and every citizen who has done at least something for the prosperity of our Motherland is worthy of respect .. But what did the deputy "eat Russia" Tolstoy actually do?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 49
              +2
              For public money, he broadcasts spitting to Russia from PACE.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 10 November 2020 20: 56
              +3
              Quote: Svarog
              But what did the “eating Russia” deputy Tolstoy actually do?

              Like what! He rubs his pants, wangs. Elite, ugh.
              The comrade found himself an idol, he believes that this fruit is the same as his ancestors. Zombie influence however
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 10 November 2020 20: 57
            12
            Quote: 30 vis
            The Tolstoys did a lot for Russia.

            That's right. Our voted for pension reform for example
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 10 November 2020 20: 58
            +3
            Quote: 30 vis
            Take, read what this genus is known for. The Tolstoys did a lot for Russia.

            What is important is not what your ancestors did for the country, it is important what you personally did for the country. One cannot be infinitely proud of the achievements of the fathers; one must do something ourselves. If today the current government puffs up its cheeks on May 9, this does not mean that V.V. Putin did as much for the country as J.V. Stalin, and Chubais as much as Zhdanov, for example, or Kirov.
            1. lucul
              lucul 10 November 2020 21: 38
              -7
              What is important is not what your ancestors did for the country, it is important what you personally did for the country. One cannot be infinitely proud of the achievements of the fathers; one must do something ourselves.

              Somehow in Russia it turns out that descendants, by chance, repeat the military glory of their grandfathers and great-great-great-grandfathers, for almost 1000 years.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 10 November 2020 21: 44
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                Somehow in Russia it turns out that descendants, by chance, repeat the military glory of their grandfathers and great-great-great-grandfathers, for almost 1000 years.

                Maybe I, of course, do not know history well, but how did the descendants of Suvorov, Ushakov, Bagration repeat the military glory of their ancestors?
                1. lucul
                  lucul 10 November 2020 21: 47
                  -1
                  Maybe I, of course, do not know history well, but how did the descendants of Suvorov, Ushakov, Bagration repeat the military glory of their ancestors?

                  I took Russia as a whole, and not in individual clans.
                2. poquello
                  poquello 10 November 2020 23: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: lucul
                  Somehow in Russia it turns out that descendants, by chance, repeat the military glory of their grandfathers and great-great-great-grandfathers, for almost 1000 years.

                  Maybe I, of course, do not know history well, but how did the descendants of Suvorov, Ushakov, Bagration repeat the military glory of their ancestors?

                  maybe it's better to smoke history than to dump it here? Suvorov had no direct descendants, and his ancestors were pre-Petrine Swedes
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 07: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: poquello
                    maybe it's better to smoke history than to dump it here? Suvorov had no direct descendants, and his ancestors were pre-Petrine Swedes

                    Educate yourself: http://www.krimoved-library.ru/books/puteshestvie-po-dvoranskim-imeniyam-krima30.html
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 03
      +5

      And he added that Turkey should not forget that "Russia defeated her 10 times."

      Those times are long gone .. This generation, and the fat one in particular, can only remember the merits of great-grandfathers .. when they themselves are not good for anything, even to show off with history ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 12
        +1
        The "hard frenzy", as it turns out, is a hell of a lot. Regardless of the ranks "sticks".
        1. lucul
          lucul 10 November 2020 21: 40
          -3
          The "hard frenzy", as it turns out, is a hell of a lot. Regardless of the ranks "sticks".

          Russian will never write this)))))
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 November 2020 01: 07
            +1
            He's just a whiner - he writes shit.
          2. Runway
            Runway 11 November 2020 03: 15
            +3
            "Zhmurki" is a Negro ... "Hey, Ethiopian! .... I am Russian !!" laughing recourse
            Tolstoy, a prominent representative of the ancient profession. There can be no decent people among politicians of all stripes and ranks (including civil servants, who are supposedly outside political structures). The EBN system continues to work.
            1. Chervonny
              Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 26
              15
              Quote: WFP
              The EBN system continues to work.

              It will work until there is someone who breaks it. And almost nothing in this system, unfortunately, depends on us.
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 11 November 2020 08: 23
            0
            And you noticed how they swooped down on Pyotr Tolstoy for his statement .. Straight, as if on command. All Svidomo army, Lexus-svarog croaked heart-rendingly.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 11 November 2020 21: 36
              18
              Quote: 30 vis
              And you noticed how they swooped down on Pyotr Tolstoy for his statement ..

              and what smart did he say and to whom? He who? - Propagandist!
              And you cover up his verbal diarrhea of ​​his kind. Why compare this chmyr and his kind? Or is he an indulgence for ancestors? You must earn a good name.
      2. jovanni
        jovanni 10 November 2020 20: 19
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        when they themselves are not good for anything, even to show off with history ..

        If there was an opportunity, I would put ten pluses ... But what's the point, these balabols cannot be changed ...
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 25
          15
          Quote: Jovanni
          these balabols cannot be changed

          If the government changes, they change. They nestled their name.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 November 2020 20: 13
      +5
      I wonder what Zhirinovsky thinks about this? wassat Would you like to wash your boots in the Bosphorus? The Indian Ocean is "yesterday" for him !!! wassat
    5. Civil
      Civil 10 November 2020 20: 19
      14
      The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

      The Constantinople question is not closed.


      Give United Russia a Berdan jacket and an inflatable mattress, let him storm Constantinople. Even though they will be locked up in the Istanbul durka as a hero, otherwise it will remain in history as a bloodsucker of the Russian people.
    6. kenig1
      kenig1 10 November 2020 21: 42
      +4
      Erdogan says - Crimea is Turkish, at one time Russia seized it. Where are the enemies and where are the friends?
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 11 November 2020 05: 24
        +3
        Quote: kenig1
        Erdogan says - Crimea is Turkish, at one time Russia seized it. Where are the enemies and where are the friends?

        And if you remember everything that the Turks captured - what will be left of Turkey? laughing
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 12 November 2020 14: 22
          -1
          Everything is simpler .. Russia has never taken Constantinople (almost does not count), where does the Russian Federation and Byzantium? Or does he already see himself as her legal successor?
      2. Chervonny
        Chervonny 13 November 2020 13: 25
        15
        Quote: kenig1
        Where are the enemies and where are the friends?

        We have no enemies. According to the President of the Russian Federation, we have only "partners". wink
    7. Past the crocodile
      Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 22: 17
      +3
      Yes, that Durex too. The times are not forgotten when this elastic poured his shit on the Russian national movement, but here Constantinople remembered Judas.
    8. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 10 November 2020 23: 46
      0
      This is not to be rude to Ramzan. It is dangerous for Ramzan to be rude, but to others it is possible
    9. st2st
      st2st 12 November 2020 04: 28
      0
      His, Tolstova, work like that, does not understand a damn thing, but a blizzard, coolly carries. And, he is also afraid that he and his lover from PACE will be asked to leave.
  2. Leshy1975
    Leshy1975 10 November 2020 19: 44
    +5
    You need to have a snack. And these people forbid me to pick my nose (and these people are our power, eh-I-I) request
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 06
      +2
      Quote: Leshy1975
      You need to have a snack. And these people forbid me to pick my nose (and these people are our power, eh-I-I) request

      When there is not enough intelligence, all that remains is to prohibit and not let go.
      Glad to see you hi
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 10 November 2020 23: 30
        0
        Hello Volodya. Also glad to see. hi
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 14
      +4
      Welcome hi,
      PACE on "self-isolation". You need to keep yourself occupied. Well, not work after all. winked
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 10 November 2020 23: 33
        0
        hi Also welcome, time-tested fighters.
  3. Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 10 November 2020 19: 45
    10
    ... Constantinople question is not closed

    It's funny, but the Turk also thinks about the Crimea, and in general about all the territories where the Turks live, and what to do with it?
    1. Dude
      Dude 10 November 2020 20: 16
      +5
      Quote: Vadim_888
      ... Constantinople question is not closed

      It's funny, but the Turk also thinks about the Crimea, and in general about all the territories where the Turks live, and what to do with it?

      And what is it? The Turks should pray for our power in Russia. If the Russian people were in power, and not rootless cosmopolitans, as it is now, the Turks would have washed their faces with bloody snot long ago, for their arts.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 10 November 2020 21: 03
        +1
        Quote: Dude
        If the Russian people were in power, and not rootless cosmopolitans, as they are now, the Turks would have washed themselves with bloody snot long ago, for their arts.

        Quote: Civil
        Give United Russia a Berdan jacket and an inflatable mattress, let him storm Constantinople. Even though they will be locked up in the Istanbul durka as a hero, otherwise it will remain in history as a bloodsucker of the Russian people.

        Do you need a second mattress, or will you float on one? Can you make a slingshot for yourself?
        1. Dude
          Dude 10 November 2020 21: 39
          +2
          Do you need a second mattress, or will you float on one? Can you make a slingshot for yourself?
          Do not decide to ask, do you have some kind of painful fixation on the mattresses? Does it have something to do with the flag of the United States of America, bad sexual experience, or the embarrassment of juvenile wet dreams? recourse
          Slingshot, again ... Have you been to the psychiatrist who is watching you for a long time? I recommend visiting him urgently, you clearly need his help!)
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 10 November 2020 21: 49
            -2
            Quote: Dude
            Do not decide to ask, do you have some kind of painful fixation on the mattresses?

            Will you float without a mattress? Take at least a children's swimming circle with a duckling.
            Quote: Dude
            Slingshot, again ...

            Well, how, the deputy will swim with the Berdanka, and you? Yes, without a slingshot?
            1. Dude
              Dude 10 November 2020 22: 27
              -3
              Well, how, the deputy will swim with the Berdanka, and you? Yes, without a slingshot?
              Are you conducting a dialogue with me, or with an imaginary interlocutor who lives in your head? First a mattress, then a slingshot (perhaps Medium? And with a capital letter? laughing), now here's a berdan ... Maybe you'd better have a bite and go to bed, and not poke into the keyboard? wink
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 10 November 2020 23: 18
                +2
                Quote: Dude
                If the Russian people were in power, and not rootless cosmopolitans, as they are now, the Turks would have washed themselves with bloody snot long ago, for their arts.

                It's just that all sorts of nonsense should be written less, you've got the couch warriors. Hunt to fight? I have already said what you need to do, the same to me Anika the warrior.
                1. Dude
                  Dude 11 November 2020 05: 15
                  -3
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: Dude
                  If the Russian people were in power, and not rootless cosmopolitans, as they are now, the Turks would have washed themselves with bloody snot long ago, for their arts.

                  It's just that all sorts of nonsense should be written less, you've got the couch warriors. Hunt to fight? I have already said what you need to do, the same to me Anika the warrior.

                  Oh, the worn-out stamps were used! laughing
                  I understand you, kumanyok, - you have nothing to argue in essence request What, the phrase about cosmopolitans hit the mark?
                  How can you and your ilk quickly burn! ..)))
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 07: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Dude
                    What, the phrase about cosmopolitans hit the mark?
                    How can you and your ilk quickly burn! ..)))

                    Have a snack, Anika warrior.
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 11 November 2020 08: 29
                      0
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Quote: Dude
                      What, the phrase about cosmopolitans hit the mark?
                      How can you and your ilk quickly burn! ..)))

                      Have a snack, Anika warrior.

                      You repeat yourself, my dear! Yes, and plagiarism)) Boring you. Change the record wink
  4. ccsr
    ccsr 10 November 2020 19: 45
    +8
    The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

    The Constantinople question is not closed.

    Interestingly, this descendant of Leo Tolstoy, even though he knows that Constantinople is in a NATO country, and if he wants to recapture this city, then apparently all the countries of the Alliance, including the United States, will have to be destroyed. Sometimes you wonder if these people sitting in the Duma have a sense of reality, or should they "grind with their tongues, not roll sacks" for PR in the style of "hurray-patriots"?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 19: 50
      +6
      Constantinople will be returned to the Greeks, and Greece will be a NATO country. What is the contradiction?
      1. dorz
        dorz 10 November 2020 19: 54
        0
        ... "Russia defeated Turkey 10 times."

        She was not in NATO at the time. sad
        1. Garris199
          Garris199 10 November 2020 20: 23
          +4
          What are you doing about this NATO. They also want to live in NATO (read the USA). While it is profitable to support, when they are seriously threatened, the Turks will merge into the lung.
        2. jovanni
          jovanni 10 November 2020 20: 24
          +4
          Quote: dorz
          ... "Russia defeated Turkey 10 times."

          She was not in NATO at the time.

          And the Tsar-Father Pyotr Tolstoy was not the deputy chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly ... And there was no such meeting, thank God ...
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 10 November 2020 19: 55
        11
        Quote: rruvim
        Constantinople will be returned to the Greeks, and Greece will be a NATO country. What is the contradiction?

        Do you think that the wise Greeks are better mentally than the sons of the Ottoman Empire? Come on, our interests are not there, and I consider it a crime against our compatriots to spend money on satisfying the thoughts of peoples alien to us. By the way, recently the Patriarch of Constantinople showed his insides in relation to the schismatics in Ukraine. Do you want to help him?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 58
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          Do you think that the wise Greeks are better mentally than the sons of the Ottoman Empire? Come on, our interests are not there, and I consider it a crime against our compatriots to spend money on satisfying the thoughts of peoples alien to us. By the way, recently the Patriarch of Constantinople showed his insides in relation to the schismatics in Ukraine. Do you want to help him?

          Speak correctly.
        2. sbuskets
          sbuskets 10 November 2020 20: 14
          -5
          read the sacred scriptures and you will know, this is all described in the Bible and in Islam. Turkey will soon fall at our and Syrian feet. and not only Turkey, but it will be later. however, I will not disclose such details, because the time has not come to know, you will see when the time comes for yourself.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 10 November 2020 20: 27
            +5
            Quote: sbuskets
            read the sacred scriptures and you will know, this is all described in the Bible and in Islam. Turkey will soon fall at our and Syrian feet. and not only Turkey, but it will be later. however, I will not disclose such details, because the time has not come to know, you will see when the time comes for yourself.

            I have read the Old Testament (Torah), the Gospel, and the Koran many times, I have not seen anything about Turkey, do you indulge in a reference in detail? wink
        3. rruvim
          rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 32
          -4
          And here Phanar! Simply returning Constantinople to its real owners simply does not fit into your simple head. And that's it!
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 11 November 2020 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: rruvim
            Simply returning Constantinople to its real owners simply does not fit into your simple head. And that's it!

            Why shouldn't the "owners" themselves return Constantinople to themselves - a similar question did not arise in your "smart" head? With what joy should Russia participate in this?
      3. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 10 November 2020 20: 01
        +2
        And who will return?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 10
          -4
          International coalition.
      4. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: rruvim
        Constantinople will be returned to the Greeks


        And why is Russia?
      5. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 22: 23
        +1
        Let the Greeks return. They have not been able to take Cyprus away from the Turks for 50 years, moreover, they were naturally deported from there in underpants.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 November 2020 19: 45
    +2
    Let's go without this nonsense. hi No. Not necessary. I understand the euphoria. But ... Not worth it. everything has its time.
  6. Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 46
    +1
    The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

    The Constantinople question is not closed.

    And he added that Turkey should not forget that "Russia defeated her 10 times."

    Why idle chatter, do they respect talkers? request
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 10 November 2020 19: 49
    +1
    "Carthage must be destroyed!" Constantinople must be returned to Orthodox Greeks. Axiom!
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 52
      +6
      Quote: rruvim
      Carthage must be destroyed! "Constantinople must be returned to the Orthodox Greeks.

      You go there to these Greeks on the sites, read how they speak about Russia in the light of the events associated with Armenia. Maybe the delight will diminish.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 November 2020 20: 06
        -5
        I myself also speak about Russia in the light of the events related to Armenia. And I'm not Greek.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 November 2020 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: rruvim
          I myself also speak about Russia in the light of the events related to Armenia. And I'm not Greek.

          What do you think about the killed Russian guys? not greek ..
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 November 2020 20: 20
            -1
            On Greek sites it is written (general opinion, summary): "Putin did not notice that the Turks killed the Russian pilots" What's Russophobic?
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 November 2020 20: 23
              -4
              Quote: rruvim
              On Greek sites it is written (general opinion, summary): "Putin did not notice that the Turks killed the Russian pilots" What's Russophobic?

              So you read it not there, but the educational program is not mine in this case ... request
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 11 November 2020 13: 07
              +1
              Quote: rruvim
              On Greek sites it is written (general opinion, summary):

              The Greeks are the same crooks as the Turks, so it is not in our interests to help one NATO country to the detriment of another member of this alliance - let Uncle Sam deal with them. crooks who, speculating on faith, set us up many times.
      2. sbuskets
        sbuskets 10 November 2020 20: 16
        -3
        you cannot look into the distance. and the Greeks as a whole are waiting for the fulfillment of the prophecy, but that is not the point, just when events occur, you will understand that this is the only way for us and there is no nobler one. There will be no turkey, I say right away, but I will not say more about it and I will not reveal the details over the years, although I know.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 November 2020 20: 22
          +2
          Quote: sbuskets
          you cannot look into the distance.

          Here, some in all seriousness believe that my head is bad. What can you take from me? laughing
          Quote: sbuskets
          and the Greeks in general are waiting for the fulfillment of the prophecy,

          A new business, but I thought that it was the Jews who were waiting for the Mashiach and the fulfillment of the prophecy, while you have Greeks. Suddenly... laughing
          Quote: sbuskets
          but I will not say more about it, and I will not reveal the details over the years, although I know.

          Obviously, this is super secret information. laughing
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 36
          -2
          Here, even without prophecies (St. Paisius the Holy Mountain or St. Cosmas of Aetolia), it is clear that sooner or later Constantinople will be returned. Specifically - the Greeks.
          1. Past the crocodile
            Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 22: 29
            0
            Based on what -
            Quote: rruvim
            Specifically - to the Greeks
            -?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 10 November 2020 19: 58
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      "Carthage must be destroyed!" Constantinople must be returned to Orthodox Greeks. Axiom!

      Do you want to put some more freeloaders around the neck of our people? That the Ukrainian brothers have not taught you anything, you dream of stepping on a rake again - until? Maybe it’s enough to experiment, but it’s better to be guided by Dostoevsky’s assessments of those peoples?
      1. Dude
        Dude 10 November 2020 20: 21
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: rruvim
        "Carthage must be destroyed!" Constantinople must be returned to Orthodox Greeks. Axiom!

        Do you want to put some more freeloaders around the neck of our people? That the Ukrainian brothers have not taught you anything, you dream of stepping on a rake again - until? Maybe it’s enough to experiment, but it’s better to be guided by Dostoevsky’s assessments of those peoples?

        Constantinople should become the regional center of the Crimean region. tongue
        The Greeks loved it enchantingly at one time. Don’t give them gifts, all to the house! wink
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 10 November 2020 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      Constantinople must be returned to Orthodox Greeks. Axiom!

      Yes Easy. Constantinople to Orthodox Greeks. And Tsar-Grad to Us. On that and decide Oh, this policy. No sooner had the cannons been silenced than a new war had to be unleashed. Ozverinu chtola accept.
      Banter if anything over Tolstoy
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 10 November 2020 22: 38
      +2
      Let the Greeks themselves pour their blood on the outskirts of Constantinople.
  8. opuonmed
    opuonmed 10 November 2020 19: 50
    +2
    Turks must not be underestimated the world has changed!
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 November 2020 19: 56
      +4
      Quote: opuonmed
      Turks must not be underestimated

      And you shouldn't overestimate. IMHO
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 November 2020 19: 51
    +8
    This is the fashion in Russian politics. Remember Constantinople once in a hundred years. At 17m there was already one ... - Dardanelles ... laughing
  10. Undecim
    Undecim 10 November 2020 19: 52
    12
    "The question of Constantinople is not closed" - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy
    Strange, the deputy chairman of the State Duma is like a serious position, in theory people who are not smart should not be appointed to it. And here is Pyotr Tolstoy ... A paradox?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 10 November 2020 20: 04
      +8
      Quote: Undecim
      And then Pyotr Tolstoy ... A paradox?

      Yes, there is no paradox, because he is a journalist, and they are people of a conversational genre and have never drawn serious analysts. That is why for him "for the sake of a catchphrase I will not regret my father" and became the principle of political statements.
      In general, he became bronzed in this position, and it is enough to watch him in some talk shows to understand that he has already begun to inadequately assess the situation in the country, so he suffered as Ostap.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 10 November 2020 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: Undecim
      Strange, the deputy chairman of the State Duma is like a serious position, in theory people who are not smart should not be appointed to it. And here is Pyotr Tolstoy ... A paradox?

      The cruel reality of modern Russia ..
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 10 November 2020 20: 13
        +8
        Judging by the presence of minus, some consider this not a cruel reality, but an outstanding achievement.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 November 2020 20: 58
          +1
          Viktor hi,
          the "blissful" are in the "drug reality".
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 10 November 2020 21: 14
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        The cruel reality of modern Russia ..

        This is the namesake. This is simple for the Jews - two Jews, three opinions. In Russia, from time immemorial, for the same opinion, decent fights
  11. rruvim
    rruvim 10 November 2020 20: 05
    -2
    We must not forget that the Kemalists at one time assigned the status of a museum to St. Sophia for a reason. And do not forget that Erdogan imposed the status of a mosque on her now, also for a reason. The question of Constantinople in the minds of the mighty of this world, from the Jesuits to all sorts of Masons, has not yet been "closed". Apart from the usual concepts: Crimea is ours. Constantinople is ours.
    1. sbuskets
      sbuskets 10 November 2020 20: 18
      -1
      this is partly true. there will be a provocation from Europe and the United States, a provocation on religious grounds. they will provoke a world war and Russia will come there. I will not say more, but these are not just the plans of the Freemasons, but something more, such is the plan of God. and always only the Lord wins, and not people from among the rulers.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 40
        -3
        Let there be a plan of God, or strategists from the Plekhanov Institute of National Economy. It just will be, and that's it! There are geopolitical things that come true, like the aspirations of peoples. They just come true. The Jews wanted their wailing wall, they got it, the Ayzers wanted their Shusha - they got it, the Christians want Sofia, they will get it!
      2. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 22: 34
        +1
        Gothose on ХREN-TV, there your listeners have already been waiting for your revelations.
  12. Konnick
    Konnick 10 November 2020 20: 12
    +1
    "Uncle Petya, are you ...?"
    He became so churched that the head is no longer for even the hair, but simply for the halo.
  13. cniza
    cniza 10 November 2020 20: 16
    +1
    And he added that Turkey should not forget that "Russia defeated her 10 times."


    And if you clarify?
  14. sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 November 2020 20: 24
    +3
    Why was everyone so excited from Constantinople? Now Aliyev and Erdogan will whisper. And they will give it back. Themselves. Voluntarily. Why do they need this hemorrhoid. There are some straits. They love mountains. And oil.
  15. Cron
    Cron 10 November 2020 20: 26
    -3
    Why should the issue with Constantinople be closed? In our country and in Ukraine, a lot of things are not closed, and in Belarus, etc.
    We will either act ourselves, or we will react endlessly all the time, weakening. How many times has Erdogan spat in Russia? How did we answer? Have you started supporting the Kurds? No, how can it be, so it is impossible. And all because there is no intelligible policy. For Turkey, the threat is us, they are for us. It seems to me that those who are involved in this area are also the same mumbles as in the comments. It is necessary not only to declare this, but also to work in this direction.
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 10 November 2020 20: 26
    -4
    I assure you that for many: geopoliticians, historians, political scientists, military men and ordinary citizens, Orthodox in particular, the status of Constantinople is clear without any Vanging. It's just a matter of time. Jews - not by washing, so by skating they returned Jerusalem as the capital. So the opposite side will regain the city of Constantine. It's just inevitable! And that's it !!!
    1. Cron
      Cron 10 November 2020 20: 33
      -2
      Quote: rruvim
      I assure you that for many: geopoliticians, historians, political scientists, military men and ordinary citizens, Orthodox in particular, the status of Constantinople is clear without any Vanging. It's just a matter of time. Jews - not by washing, so by skating they returned Jerusalem as the capital. So the opposite side will regain the city of Constantine. It's just inevitable! And that's it !!!

      I would like to see people like YOU in the positions responsible for this area
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 42
        -3
        Ask Shoigu. Private of course. Surely he will answer: "The General Staff is developing all possible scenarios for the development of situations. And in terms of control over the straits as well."
    2. syndicalist
      syndicalist 11 November 2020 06: 49
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      Jews - not by washing, so by skating they returned Jerusalem as the capital. So the opposite side will regain the city of Constantine. It's just inevitable! And that's it !!!

      Just like China considers Siberia to be temporarily occupied territory.
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2020 20: 32
    0
    Catch the cons laughing
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2020 20: 33
    +4
    Quote: rruvim
    "Carthage must be destroyed!" Constantinople must be returned to Orthodox Greeks. Axiom!

    Here are the Greeks and let them fight for him.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2020 20: 35
    -2
    Quote: Undecim
    Judging by the presence of minus, some consider this not a cruel reality, but an outstanding achievement.

    Minushers live in the elven forest laughing laughing
  20. Tuzik
    Tuzik 10 November 2020 20: 44
    -6
    when the military itself is tired of the concerns of our politicians, and they themselves will not avenge the dead, who prevents the same pilots from unloading on the enemy without an order? Well, think about it, they'll fire ...
  21. Unknown
    Unknown 10 November 2020 21: 05
    +1
    It is not the first time for the Turks to shoot down planes or helicopters of the Russian Air Force. Yes, not only the Turks, Israel is also bringing down as much as possible. And in response, formidable statements, warnings that quietly fall silent. that's not how things are done. "The east is a delicate matter, petruha," Tov Sukhov used to say from a famous film. there they respect the strength. Russia after the 91-year abandoning all the weapons ZAKAVO newly-minted state formations hastily left the Caucasus, losing its influence there. Well, the resettlement after millions, I repeat millions of inhabitants of the Caucasus to Russia, did not add to her authority either. they do not consider themselves when they do not consider themselves, and did not consider being obliged to the country that gave them shelter and shelter. to receive benefits like refugees, and other material benefits, there is always, but as problems with the historical homeland so they immediately, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians, etc. the question is, why do we need that base in Gyumri? Yes, she really can't get there, and besides, pay money to Armenia that we're standing there. we are going to become peacemakers, but do we need it? Have been pulled away for 88-90 years, and at least one of the parties said thank you? Yes, they went ....... Putin did not bring peacekeepers to Donbass, so that the hares would not fight among themselves, but there you are always welcome, how to understand this?
  22. rruvim
    rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 10
    -2
    Here, even with the naked eye, one can see that an anti-Turkish coalition has been formed. In light of the well-known events in Syria for several years: from the South, the Syrian Arab Republic, in the light of the same events from the east: "independent Kurdistan", in the light of recent events, clearly Armenia from the north-east. Russia with Crimea - north. The west and southwest are the eternal enemies of Turkey, the Greeks. An anti-Turkish coalition has formed in the Southwest: Egypt, Saud and the UAE (all the result of Erdogan's Libyan campaign). Israel occupies a special place, it is clearly for the Ottomans. And this is essential. The West (France, Canada, partly the USA), after Karabakh, also took an anti-Turkish position. Macedonia and Serbia are clearly on the side of Greece. The answer remained for Bulgaria... The answer of the people is clear, the leadership is not very good. Basically, the Neo-Otoman Empire is surrounded.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 15
      -5
      Yes, there is such a factor as Iran. But he will obviously be pleased if the Turks are squeezed a little, for the Turkic separatism for Iran is not just a "headache" but an obvious problem worse than the Kurdish one. Therefore, Iran will most likely support the anti-Turkish coalition. He did this more than once.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 17
        -6
        The outskirts do not count, for any Ukrainian (even of half-Polish blood) will say: "That the Muscovites are certainly enemies, but the Turks are enemy!"
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 23
          -4
          In any case, the Greeks should be the first to suffer. Nobody will begin to "strangle" the Turks until the Greeks suffer. The Armenians don't count. For so long the Armenians "built" the unfortunate out of themselves that mankind has got used to it, but the Greeks bravely endured their genocide by the Turks. And over the centuries, and in 1974. And now any aggression of Turkey against the Greeks will be new for the European man in the street. And she will!
        2. maktub
          maktub 10 November 2020 21: 33
          +2
          Nope, I'm the one in brackets
          Turks have not done anything to us for 300 years laughing
          But seriously, we have a strategic partner with Turkey now
          There are a lot of questions about the helicopter and all are ambiguous
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 49
            -2
            Except for the fact that the German armed fleet was launched into the Black Sea in 1941, despite the Montreux doctrine.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 22: 01
              +4
              Quote: rruvim
              Except for the fact that the German armed fleet was launched into the Black Sea in 1941, despite the Montreux doctrine.

              Well, well, more details from this place. How did the Kriegsmarine end up in the Black Sea? Do you even know?
              Names and types of military vessels of the Reich, which passed through the Straits, voice, if not difficult.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 16
                -4
                Well boats - torpedo bombers S-26, KFK-shki, landing "Zibel". The Turks did not miss anything larger, but that is enough. But support ships were allowed to pass.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 23: 56
                  +1
                  ... Well boats - torpedo bombers S-26, KFK-shki

                  No. Submarines and boats - along the Danube. This is an interesting epic.
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 58
                    -2
                    The epic of three small submarines.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 November 2020 00: 10
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                      Quote: rruvim
                      The epic of three small submarines.

                      Not six?
                      1. rruvim
                        rruvim 11 November 2020 00: 13
                        -2
                        In the course (read) only about three submarines of the IIB series: U-9, U-19 and U-24
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 November 2020 08: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: rruvim
                        In the course (read) only about three submarines of the IIB series: U-9, U-19 and U-24

                        18,20,23
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  23. Past the crocodile
    Past the crocodile 10 November 2020 22: 43
    0
    Yes, Greece, Saudia, Srbia and Macedonia are still warriors. In the last conflict, I bet on the Armenians, and these Balkans do not even reach the Armenians, terpily. The Macedonians and Montenegrins even changed the names of their countries, ugh, oops
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 21
      -2
      Separately, they are, of course, "boogers", but if they unite, around an idea, and under the patronage (read: behind) Russia, "mountains can shift", especially if the question is about the straits and domination in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea and the Transcaucasus ... Ararat is still Armenian. And Idlib is Syrian. And Cappadocia is Greek.
      1. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 11 November 2020 15: 16
        -1
        Quote: rruvim
        And Cappadocia is Greek.
        , and the Turks themselves, according to your logic, should be returned to Altai, and if they have mixed blood, then made "citizens of the world"? Kindergarten, by God
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 11 November 2020 15: 57
          0
          How did you guess about Altai? bully
  • BAI
    BAI 10 November 2020 21: 24
    +3
    The program said that Russia has a "good (long) memory" and if the involvement of the Turkish side becomes clear, then "Russia knows about the locations of the Turkish officers."

    The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

    The Constantinople question is not closed.

    What nonsense you will not hear on our TV.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 November 2020 21: 24
    +3
    Even I do not see his results of work in Paz, but I see how they pour mud on us! am
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 November 2020 21: 25
    -1
    Quote: ccsr

    Interestingly, this descendant of Leo Tolstoy, even though he knows that Constantinople is in a NATO country, and if he wants to recapture this city, then apparently all the countries of the Alliance, including the United States, will have to be destroyed. Sometimes you wonder if these people sitting in the Duma have a sense of reality, or should they "grind with their tongues, not roll sacks" for PR in the style of "hurray-patriots"?

    Well, do you have this very sense of reality?
    Are you so sure that all these countries will fit in for Turkey? Show the brave. Well, maybe the stench from them will come, as it happened. No more.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 46
      -2
      No one will fit in for Turkey now, except Azerbaijan and, possibly, Turkmenistan (although the Tupkmen live well without Turkey). Qatar doesn't count. Perhaps Tunisia and a puppet government in Libya. In Europe, partly Albania. But for everyone around Albania, this is a pseudo-state - a "red" rag.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 10 November 2020 21: 36
    +1
    Recall that the helicopter was shot down exactly one day ago in the skies over Armenia - a few kilometers from the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan and almost a couple of hundred kilometers from the war zone in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    200 km? What kind of MANPADS can we talk about then? In this context, the version of the barmaley does not stand up to scrutiny if our brains are not composted again.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2020 21: 39
    +2
    Quote: rruvim
    Yes, there is such a factor as Iran. But he will obviously be pleased if the Turks are squeezed a little, for the Turkic separatism for Iran is not just a "headache" but an obvious problem worse than the Kurdish one. Therefore, Iran will most likely support the anti-Turkish coalition. He did this more than once.

    Let me remind you that Armenians and Azerbaijanis coexist peacefully in Iran, as well as in Russia.

    By the way, Azerbaijan has never been part of the Turkish Empire, but it was part of the Persian and Russian ones. "Turkic separatism for Iran is not just a" headache "- But if we take the times not so far removed from us, then before the Russian Empire recaptured the vassals of the Erivan and Nakhichevan khanates from the Persian Empire, populating them with Armenians from other territories of Persia and the Ottoman empire, the Armenians were divided between the states of the Ottoman sultans and the Persian shahs. And even taking into account the fact that the Persians were much more humane than the Ottomans, in any case the Armenians had hard times from both of them. and breathe, and after 1917 and think about the restoration of our own statehood.This entire brief excursion into the relatively recent, in comparison with the ancient, history, we spent because Iran, remembering that the territory of present-day Armenia once belonged to it, never expressed any special revanchist territorial claims against this state.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 21: 58
      0
      Nevertheless, Iranian Azerbaijanis (Turks), who live in the Iranian provinces of Ardabil, and in the provinces of the same name, West Azerbaijan and East Azerbaijan, have already exceeded the population of Azerbaijan with the capital in Baku. And now, together with their neighbors, they are joyfully celebrating the victory over Armenia. Doesn't this cause headaches for the Persians in Tehran?
  • Antidote
    Antidote 10 November 2020 21: 46
    +2
    Waste oak bark?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 04
      -1
      The bark from the oak side ...
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 November 2020 21: 54
    +5
    ... The guest of the studio, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy, made the following statement:

    The Constantinople question is not closed.


    What a stupid populism. What idiots is it for?
    Oh, well, yes, the first channel ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 10 November 2020 21: 58
    -1
    Quote: rruvim
    No one will fit in for Turkey now, except Azerbaijan and, possibly, Turkmenistan (although the Tupkmen live well without Turkey). Qatar doesn't count. Perhaps Tunisia and a puppet government in Libya. In Europe, partly Albania. But for everyone around Albania, this is a pseudo-state - a "red" rag.

    I also remembered Greece, which, having an atomic bomb, would long ago have thrashed Turkey itself, as well as France, whose leader Erdogan advised to heal in a psychiatric hospital))) these are the allies
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 03
      +1
      I can imagine a Greek who would be informed that his country has an atomic bomb. Fetaxoy would choke ... drinks
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 10 November 2020 22: 00
    +2
    Yes, this one always blurs something. Unpunished.
    Apparently the job is to feel the atmosphere ...
  • iouris
    iouris 10 November 2020 22: 00
    +2
    Nature is resting. By the way, why is Constantinople? The problem is different.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 10 November 2020 22: 07
    0
    Quote: rruvim
    Except for the fact that the German armed fleet was launched into the Black Sea in 1941, despite the Montreux doctrine.


    Can you tell us in more detail which fleet was launched? Ferries and landing barges, even submarines, were delivered by land transport through Romania, but not through Turkey.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 25
      -1
      Torpedo bombers S-26, KFK-shki, landing "Zibel". The Turks did not miss anything larger, but that is enough. But support ships were allowed to pass. Yes! Three submarines on a piece of iron to Constanta. The Turks have nothing to do with it.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 November 2020 22: 14
    +2
    those. the question with Kiev is closed ..... Minsk .... etc., but give Constantinople !?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 10 November 2020 22: 25
    +1
    But nefig was to arrange a revolution in the midst of a war. No matter how bad Nikolai was as the head of state, government, and Supreme Commander-in-Chief, it was precisely by the 1917 campaign. for the first time in the whole war, it was stocked up in abundance of weapons, ammunition, uniforms, and everything that the army needs for normal functioning (then it was enough for the entire Civil War, and there was still). The plans for a summer offensive on both the German and Turkish fronts were quite realistic, and it is quite possible that in the fall Nikolai, as planned, would have received the parade in Istanbul Constantinople (well, or at least Constantinople). Instead, Russia merged, the world war lasted an extra year, and in Russia, as planned by the Bolsheviks and other participants in the 3rd International, there was a transition from "imperialist war to civil".
  • rruvim
    rruvim 10 November 2020 22: 29
    -3
    A trifle, but a fact!
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 10 November 2020 22: 42
    +3
    Quote: rruvim
    Nevertheless, Iranian Azerbaijanis (Turks), who live in the Iranian provinces of Ardabil, and in the provinces of the same name, West Azerbaijan and East Azerbaijan, have already exceeded the population of Azerbaijan with the capital in Baku. And now, together with their neighbors, they are joyfully celebrating the victory over Armenia. Doesn't this cause headaches for the Persians in Tehran?

    Shiite Persians. Sunni Turks. Can you tell the difference? The sore mantra about the presence of an “Azerbaijani minority” in Iran, which supposedly numbers from 20 to 40 million, is widely circulated and promoted from Baku - it is understandable and does not need comments. laughing

    It is unclear how this statement, the dubiousness of which is obvious even with a superficial glance at the ethno-demographic picture of Iran, is presented by the Russian media as a generally accepted cliché, and sometimes even put into the mouths of politicians by their advisers. In the Republic of Azerbaijan and the northwestern regions of Iran, they speak similar dialects within the limits of understanding. First of all, Iranian Azerbaijanis are Iranians, citizens of the Islamic Republic of Iran. They will not dream of joining the Republic of Azerbaijan in a nightmare " laughing The mere threat of deportation to their historical homeland will silence 99.9% of Azeri couch fighters. laughing Iranian Azerbaijanis may not like Iran, but not enough to go under the Turks. In terms of genetics, these two peoples are very similar. You can even call them related.
    But what about the Turks and Azerbaijanis is complete nonsense. Azerbaijanis have nothing to do with the Turks in general and with the Turks of Turkey (who are Greeks, Hittites, Armenians and Kurds).
    Azerbaijanis are Turks only by language. Culture, life and customs are Persian. There are a lot of Persian words in the Azerbaijani language. When the Turks come to Azerbaijan, first they learn the Pahlavi dialect in order to somehow understand the meaning of the words spoken by the Azerbaijanis ..
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 05
      -1
      I understand perfectly who are Shiites and who are Sunnis. But nevertheless, it was the Azerbaijani Turks living in Iran that impeded the advancement of materiel to help besieged Armenia from Iran. Trucks were burned. The question is, which side will Shiite Iran be on if they really begin to destroy (dismember) Turkey? Moreover, surrounded by her are Christian countries, except for the Allawites of Syria and the pagan Kurds, who will clearly also be on the side of the anti-Turkish coalition.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 08
      0
      And thanks for the clarification. And then, when I visit a friend in Baku, I don't "catch" something ... recourse
  • ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 10 November 2020 22: 48
    -3
    we have a lot of guts to beat the culprits, the crew died, let the earth rest in peace, but the enemy will not receive punishment! and unfortunately from the video that showed the feeling that not a single warning system worked, the shooting of traps did not work either, but this is a combat helicopter, do not forget on service performing the task of escorting the convoy, you can see if you look closely at the beacons they flew without changing the trajectory at the same speed Once again, honor and glory to our wars.
  • Larkis
    Larkis 10 November 2020 23: 16
    0
    Defeat is known to be an orphan. But you still need to answer for it. Pashinyan, most likely, will be the scapegoat - however, this is their Armenian business. In Russia only one well-known subject pays for defeat - the people. All the rest will distribute to themselves a handful of titles and awards, on which - until the next grandiose victory.

    Without justifying the current Armenian leadership at all, one can ask only one question - any defeat is a systemic phenomenon, embedded deep enough. Yes, of course, it is unlikely that Armenian politicians assumed that Turkey would risk so frankly taking part in the war in the zone of Russian interests and, in fact, turning the dead-end endless process into something meaningful and productive with its participation. Of course, they understand that the Kremlin regime has weakened, but the level of its degradation and collapse, most likely, came as a surprise to many. But generally speaking, in Armenian politics "before" Pashinyan, the so-called "Karabakh clan", which mainly consisted of conflict veterans, had a monopoly on the situation. And they were very dismissive of the very formulation of the issue of a military solution to the problem on the part of Azerbaijan. We are theirs, they said. With one finger! We can repeat, in general. In the "we can repeat" paradigm, the construction of the armed forces was carried out, a foreign policy was conducted - in general, like any victory, it rather discouraged and demotivated the Armenian leadership. That is why it was Armenia that was in many ways a brake on the peace process of settlement, having formulated its own rule - we do not change peace to the ground. Pashinyan, by the way, also repeated this slogan many times. Either he himself had such a conviction, or he simply did not risk going against the mainstream.

    The result is before your eyes. The degraded Kremlin is retreating in all directions - it is no longer able to pursue the crazy adventurous policy of its leadership, the resource of expansion has been exhausted. Others immediately come to the vacant seat. Turkey has come to the Caucasus - and, apparently, now not only here. The further direction of expansion is the Caspian and Central Asia. And in the event of the collapse of the Russian regime, the Turks, no doubt, will appear in the Volga region, making Russia objectively split into two parts, since the country's unity in the latitudinal direction is based literally on the ten largest bridges across the Volga. A gap along the Volga - and Russia as a single space ceases to exist. But that's all later. Now we are talking about the fact that both the current and the previous Armenian authorities bear full responsibility for their own inaction and for the refusal to consider compromise options for resolving the Karabakh problem. Such conflicts are always resolved according to the formula "peace for land" and nothing else. The rejection of it and an inadequate assessment of the balance of power and led Armenia to defeat. Pashinyan will be the scapegoat - no doubt about it. But generally speaking, the entire Armenian elite has gone bankrupt. And a simple solution - to expel one specific politician - will not give Armenia anything.

    Armenians need to learn to hide their national arrogance and measure it against the possibilities. And, of course, actively create a new balance of interests. Armenia will not be able to build any balances with today's Russia - this is a fact. And the point is not even in the inadequacy of the Kremlin, but in the fact that objectively today Russia is a third echelon country. Already lower in rank than Turkey - which has been demonstrated. And what is the point of alliance with Zimbabwe? Even with a lot.

    There is really nothing new for us. The defeat of Armenia demonstrates only one thing - the Kremlin is leading the country to disaster. He is unable to maintain interests that have been built over the centuries. Moreover, people are many heads above today's misunderstandings in the Kremlin and other commanding and public institutions. Putin surrendered the Caucasus, which Russia, by the way, hard and hard to make a zone of its interests for more than two hundred years. It took twenty years and a nonentity in the place of the leader of the country to lower two centuries of complicated politics into a latrine. However, this applies not only to the Caucasus - everything that has been created with great difficulty over centuries and generations is plundered and profited by the gang of St. Petersburg gopota in a matter of years. And this is not rancor, but a simple statement of what is happening.

    Azerbaijan made a compromise for the sake of victory - in fact, it surrendered its sovereignty, becoming a vassal of Turkey. No illusions are needed - for Erdogan, Aliyev is not a partner, but a tool. But Aliyev, of course, solved his personal problem - he "nullified" all previous claims to himself with his current victory. Who would dare to charge him for the past against the background of the current one? Aliyev solved several problems at once, but he knows better how acceptable the price for their solution has become.

    Turkey, of course, became the main winner of the war. Each time, her victories over Russia are becoming more devastating and convincing. However, this is not only the art of Erdogan, it is also an inevitable consequence of the collapse of Russia as a foreign policy subject. Putin's Russia has become so degraded, so disorganized and lagged behind that over time, not only Turkey will fearlessly wipe its feet on the Kremlin regime. International politics is a jungle. There is no place for the weak, and even more there is no place for the concept of humanism. Either you or you are a perfectly normal version of a relationship. Two strong or two weak ones can find a balance of forces and interests, but if one weaken more than the other, it will become a food resource. It doesn't happen otherwise. In any case, the Turks still look two heads taller than the Kremlin punks - and deservedly so.
    https://el-murid.livejournal.com/
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 10 November 2020 23: 56
      -1
      Quote: Larkis
      Turkey, of course, became the main winner of the war. Each time, her victories over Russia are becoming more devastating and convincing.
      Al-Murid is still that "specialist" from the entourage of Dugin and other public officials. Now, just the task is, so that Turkey would win and win !!! To show the rest that neootammanism is alive, lived and will live and have to do something about it ... And Russia is no longer able to do this (containing pan-Turkism) alone. Our giveaways in Syria and the current giveaways in Armenia only cry out that Greece will be next, besides Libya. And then all come running to the Kremlin.
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 10 November 2020 23: 40
    +1
    It's good to be a deputy. You can carry any heresy without fear of consequences. The main thing is not to be rude to Ramzan
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 11 November 2020 00: 03
      -1
      This plump "doer" is simply relaying what is already clear. It's just that a "well-known" party gave him a mandate to say the obvious things. So he says. I can also. smile
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 11 November 2020 04: 16
    0
    Revenge of the Turks for the camp in Idlib as an option. The Azerbaijanis would not agree to this.
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  • forest1
    forest1 11 November 2020 06: 22
    0
    Well, we'll see. If we see that the ships of the Russian Navy begin to approach Constantinople from the Crimea or from the Mediterranean Sea, then the deputy chairman did not deceive.
  • oracul
    oracul 11 November 2020 07: 09
    -2
    What a panic mood !? We must remember: whatever is done, everything is for the best. We were finally convinced that, firstly, what Pashinyan is and what his assurances are worth (everything is on the verge of an adventure), and secondly, the Russophobic nature of many Armenian politicians, and even ordinary Armenians, who wanted to drag Russia into their bloody game, was openly manifested. Failed. Well, what about Turkey? She instructed and instructed Aliyev, yes, she gave shock drones, yes (thank you for that, because the information received and the experience of using them and combating them are useful for the future), brought in the barmaleevs, yes. but by doing so it reduced their number in Syria and other places, some went to another world, this can be considered as a contribution to the fight against terrorism, and at the same time will allow us to check our border with Azerbaijan for their permeability. The main thing is to learn lessons and use this experience in the future.
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 11 November 2020 10: 13
    -1
    I like Pyotr Tolstoy. I liked the trolling about Constantinople. A reminder that it is better to be friends with Russia.
  • tanyurg56
    tanyurg56 12 November 2020 15: 43
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    Is Tolstoy's statement an official statement or his vision of the situation?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 November 2020 13: 45
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    Take care of your country ... deputies !!! The people are dying out, health care is ..., education is not far away either. Neopotism is flourishing, wages are beggarly, and give them Constantinople! am
    And then the gentlemen in 1917 wondered why the people were so cruel to them.