Military Review

Special report. The grief of the vanquished

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On the night of November 10, the government of the Republic of Armenia, headed by its Prime Minister Nikola Pashinyan, signed an agreement on the surrender of the army of Nagorno-Karabakh.


A few days ago, in their press releases, the NKR command reported that they were holding Shushi, that stubborn and fierce battles were going on on the outskirts of this fortified city, and rumors about the capture of it under the control of the Azerbaijani army are absolutely false.

The surrender agreement published by Nikol Pashinyan on his Facebook page came as a shock to the people of Armenia. Immediately after this, a spontaneous rally began in Yerevan with pogroms of the Government and Parliament buildings, the slogans of which were the displacement of the current government, the abolition of surrender and the election of a new command ready for military operations.

Two o'clock in the morning. A huge crowd of people begins to flock to the central square of the Republic.



Residents of Yerevan urge everyone to go out into the street and follow them to the Pashinyan Residence, so that all their questions can be answered there. Slogans are heard in the crowd:

- DO NOT RENT ARTSAKH!

- PASHINYAN, LEAVE!

- GIVE POWER TO THE MILITARY!

The police and soldiers at this time stand on the sidelines and do not seem to know what to do. It seems that now they all fully support the protesters.



Suddenly, a huge cobblestone flies overhead and hits the door of the Government. The glass shatters into small pieces. People begin to smash the main doors and windows and climb inside. Someone asks everyone to calm down and not break furniture.

The crowd rises to the upper floors, trashing the main hall and the prime minister's office. Inside, TV people rush behind the crowd, filming everything on TV cameras. Now one, now another Yerevan citizen, getting into the frame, begins to speak, breaking into a wheeze, about what they should do.













Nobody supports Pashinyan in this crowd.

Suddenly, a woman stands up on the table and loudly asks everyone not to blame the Prime Minister. He did everything in his power. She is politely ignored.



The entire government building is seething and bubbling from within. Here and there crowds of people gather, waving the flags of Armenia. They shout slogans and propose to introduce a new procedure. Change government and refuse entry of peacekeepers. Gradually, the crowd leaves the building and returns to the square. Someone was able to get the loudspeakers and now handed them to people so that they could be heard:

- We are ready to fight for Karabakh! They lied to us! They lied to us!





The main doors of the Government building are smashed, and fragments are strewn across the floor. Five photographers, taking turns, photographed the same broken window for their publishing houses.

- The government has betrayed its people! We chose him, and he betrayed us! Where is he now? Why isn't he with us? Why isn't he in Yerevan? Where did he go?

A thought slips through my head - how many men there are suitable for military service. Why didn't they go to Karabakh earlier? Then when they began to appear news about the capture of Hadrut. When did the enemy cross the plains and came close to the heart of Karabakh? When did he start attacking Shushi and surrounding areas?

Maybe because the Armenian government sometimes preferred to promote the successes of its military campaign, rather than its defeat, from which it was possible to draw conclusions? Right now, people in Yerevan seem to have woken up from a ladle of boiling water. So things were that bad? Why did our sons die?

The square was simply seething with questions that no one could answer. More precisely, there were no people who could and had the right to answer.





A week ago, when I was brought to the police station at night to check for "espionage" and "sabotage activities," the servicemen, sitting opposite, talked about how they would still have time to reach Baku. Like every 30 years they fight for this land, and every 30 years they throw the enemy back. If only the enemy did not get secret military information.

I was able to see for myself that the NKR army has enough professional and brave soldiers, skillful commanders who are ready to fight until their last breath. Young heroes fighting for their homeland. I also managed to meet 4 people who all wanted to go to war in a few days, but they never went anywhere. And they all believed that things at the front were going in their favor. With difficulty, with losses, but adding up.

Why was the center of Artsakh, its most fortified part, consisting entirely of mountains and gorges, was taken so quickly? Why on November 8, the NKR command reported in official sources that Shushi was still standing and defending itself, and now Arayik Harutyunyan says that the city was lost on the 7th? And on November 5, there was already an enemy on its outskirts.

Why hasn't Armenia turned into a military camp to support Artsakh since the beginning of the war? Why didn't the Armenian army take a single step to help?

All these questions are now hanging in the heated Yerevan air.

I also ask questions. I have the right to do this, because I myself have answered the question dozens of times why Russia does not help Armenia.

I ask a man who is already hoarse from screaming. I wonder why he scolds Pashinyan so violently.



- I have two sons at the front in Stepanakert now.

- How long have they been fighting there?

- Since the beginning of the war. They had already served three months before, because they were conscripts. Everyone was given a paper - whether you agree to fight in Artsakh or not. If you sign, you go to the front. They signed, of course.

- Is there any of the soldiers who came from there in the crowd?

- No, but many have friends in Karabakh now. And they say that you can continue to fight. That everything is not so bad, and they are able to do it. Many territories are under our control.

Our conversation is interrupted by another man:

“Two of my brothers died in this war! he shouts. - My cousin and nephew. Now lie in the ground. Why did they die? For what? Have you seen how many people died? How many of them actually died? Thousands? If Pashinyan was ready to lose immediately, why would these people die? You understand!? We are ready to fight on! ... (Down with) Pashinyan. ... (Down with) him. He signed the agreement!

A man in uniform is being carried out of the government building. It seems he felt bad. They put him on the hood of the car and call an ambulance. In those seconds when he wakes up, he grabs his head and says something in Armenian.





Politicians and ordinary people from the crowd begin to appear on the podium. They propose to remove the government and give power to the military. They are considering all the options that can save Artsakh.

Protesters are discussing how the agreement signed by Nikol Pashinyan can be canceled.

One of the Republican Party members climbs onto the roof of the car and starts talking into the loudspeaker. The father of two sons explains that he spent a month in the war. He proposes to transfer power to another party and continue to fight for Artsakh.





Some of the protesters decide to head to the Parliament building. Leading out in a large column, they walk the streets up Yerevan. The city center is filled with the sounds of loudspeakers. Observers are asked to come down from the balconies and follow them. Behind the back of the column of people, a traffic jam of signaling cars is gathering.



But this does not really change anything. The documents have been signed, and in them one gets the victory, others are doomed to the bitterness of defeat.

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh lasted 44 days. There is no doubt that this conflict has already reshaped the modern military-political picture of Transcaucasia.

Both sides lost their sons in this bitter war, and these losses are calculated in greater numbers than those indicated in the official reports.

From that day on, two peacekeeping forces enter the territory of Artsakh, which means that the Second Karabakh war has come to an end.

But no one knows what may happen in this region in five years, when the peacekeepers again leave this high-mountainous rocky land, abundantly watered with the blood of both sides.
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  1. Killemall
    Killemall 10 November 2020 14: 49
    85
    Pashinyan came the same way .... now "go away" they yell at him. This music will be eternal ... just have time to change the batteries. There is no sadder sight than a nation caught in an endless cycle. And there is neither mind nor will to leave the circle. Amen
    1. Civil
      Civil 10 November 2020 15: 08
      28
      The world has changed once again. Lull. But Karabakh is such an old and bloody question that everyone, both Armenians and Azerbaijanis, perfectly understand that the whole question is only when a new round will begin.

      Gold words. Karabakh is not a territory, it is already the meaning and content of cave-like Nazism with hatred ensuing from it.
      1. Bakinec
        Bakinec 10 November 2020 15: 19
        46
        Why is there a photo of Monte Melkonyan and quotations in the article - after all, this is an international terrorist. Melkonyan in 1983 carried out a terrorist attack against the representative office of Turkish Airlines at Orly airport. As a result, five people are killed and another 55 are injured. Two years later, the terrorist is caught and arrested and the French put him in prison for 6 years, having been found guilty of committing 4 terrorist attacks at different times and in different places. In Karabakh, this terrorist participated in the extermination of the inhabitants of the city of Khojaly.
        You can't do that. How would you react if the Azerbaijani press cited quotes for example Raduev would insert his photo. I ask the administration - remove the photo of this terrorist
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 10 November 2020 16: 06
          23
          Thanks to the moderator for your understanding and prompt response.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 10 November 2020 16: 26
            11
            Yes! The bitterness of defeat in the war - it is! It breaks the heart of people who have lost the war, especially since relatives and friends - young, beautiful, brave and strong - died in this war!
            May God give people all this prudently to experience and draw the right conclusions for the future!
            I wish peace and prosperity to all the peoples of the South Caucasus!
            1. andreykolesov123
              andreykolesov123 10 November 2020 17: 03
              15
              Quote: Tatiana
              The bitterness of defeat in the war - it is!

              It's not about losing the war. Any conflict can be lost. It's about lying. The government lied to the people who elected it about the situation at the front, and it lied skillfully, investing more resources in the information war than in the real one. It would be better if the hired Armenian bots were sent to the front, there they would be more useful.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 10 November 2020 17: 46
                +9
                Quote: andreykolesov123
                It's not about losing the war. Any conflict can be lost. It's about lying. The government lied to the people who elected it about the situation at the front, and it lied skillfully, investing more resources in the information war than in the real one. It would be better if the hired Armenian bots were sent to the front, there they would be more useful.

                Pashinyan has never (legally) served in the Armenian Armed Forces, and by profession he himself is also just a journalist. His professional task as a non-military journalist is political propaganda and, alas, with a complete lack of independent understanding of military tactics and strategy.
                And Pashinyan also fired the pro-Russian military in the Armenian Armed Forces two years ago.

                That is, as a result, there is simply nothing to ask about Pashinyan, as well as from a gynecologist, in military affairs during the war! A man just during the war, in the sense of being the commander-in-chief, was not quite in his place.
              2. lucul
                lucul 10 November 2020 20: 54
                +3
                The government lied to the people who elected it about the situation at the front, and it lied skillfully, investing more resources in the information war than in the real one.

                Do Armenians have no internet? )))
                1. Rubina
                  Rubina 11 November 2020 15: 10
                  +3
                  The Internet is there, they just wanted to believe this lie and Pegov's stories; After the fall of Hadrut, they still wrote that they would reach Baku.
            2. vlad106
              vlad106 22 November 2020 14: 39
              0
              if the protesters, instead of croaking, lifted their plump asses off the sofas and went to Karabakh to defend their interests, they would surely defeat everyone!
              but they did not want to substitute their heads for the bullets.
              everyone hoped that Rus Ivan would run for them to fight
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 November 2020 18: 25
            11
            Quote: Bakinec
            Thanks to the moderator for your understanding and prompt response.

            IDF worked badly in 1982 in Beirut, so Melkonyan survived
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        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 12 November 2020 10: 11
          -1
          Everything is relative.
          For some - a terrorist, for others - a freedom fighter.
        4. vlad106
          vlad106 13 November 2020 16: 32
          0
          Quote: Bakinec
          Why is there a photo of Monte Melkonyan and quotations in the article - after all, this is an international terrorist. Melkonyan in 1983 carried out a terrorist attack against the representative office of Turkish Airlines at Orel airport


          well, so they erect monuments to the fascists (Garigin nzhdeh) and everyone stands for him as one mountain
      2. vlad106
        vlad106 13 November 2020 16: 29
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        To be heard:
        this is already the meaning and content of cave-like Nazism with hatred ensuing from it.
        - ------------------------------------------------- --------------------------

        "We are ready to fight for Karabakh! They lied to us! They lied to us!
        "

        -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------
        How wild they are in these photos ...
        And these Kakrabakhs seize the Kuban, Rostov, Stavropol and the entire Black Sea coast!
        If they drag their stone crosses (khachkars) with ancient dates to these lands and install wherever they want,
        then I suspect that in the future they will begin to prove to us that this is "Their land"
        And that "they lived tama for thousands of years," even before the Circassians.
        Well, later, they will unleash wars with their provocations ...
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 10 November 2020 15: 11
      55
      And there is. Dostoevsky predicted this. There is no need to have such allies - you don't need enemies .. Wearing posters "Russia is an occupier" under the leadership of Pashinyan, so that he could get into the chair. As soon as it pressed down - Russia pamagy .... From myself I can add "And what, did your masters help you, Pashinyan?" It won't ... sink. But people are sorry ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 November 2020 15: 31
        49
        Quote: Russian quilted jacket
        Carrying around with posters "Russia occupier" under the leadership of Pashinyan, so that he could climb into the chair. As soon as it pressed down - Russia pamagy.

        In 1829 pamagy, in 1918 pamagy, and now it is the same. So when were you honest, when you didn't shout "pamagy", or now. And also as in the article quote
        We are ready to fight for Karabakh! They lied to us! They lied to us!
        Maybe they lied to you in 2018 when you shouted "Russians get out" or now when you shout "Russians help"?
        You really decide.
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 10 November 2020 17: 50
          16
          After what time will These begin to shout again - "Russia is an occupier"? I bet
          that the bill won't last for years? And who will handle this situation with the regions occupied by Armenia? And now Russia is in charge. In vain they got involved so early - it was necessary to wait a week, let them fight a little - maybe it came.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 10 November 2020 19: 19
            +8
            Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            After what time will These begin to shout again - "Russia is an occupier"? I bet
            that the bill won't last for years?

            They are already shouting with might and main ... Read their telegram channels.
          2. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 13 November 2020 01: 17
            +2
            Yes, Azerbaijan should have been allowed to defeat the Armenians to the end and reclaim Karabakh. Then they would more thoroughly get to feel their weakness, stupidity and wrong. And somehow it turned out halfway. But these dissenting Armenians who hate Azerbaijan (and Russia) can become a new generation of terrorists waging a senseless war for Artsakh-Karabakh and will shoot at the Russian peacekeepers, as the Dashnaks did over 100 years ago, shooting at police officers and city leaders. Sorry for the past and future victims of this animal hatred.
    3. Oleg Bykov
      Oleg Bykov 10 November 2020 15: 55
      +9
      For some reason, after the next details, the thought persistently climbs that this is a planned drain ...
      1. mole
        mole 10 November 2020 20: 14
        +5
        Quote: Oleg Bykov
        For some reason, after the next details, the thought persistently climbs that this is a planned drain ...

        Business before pleasure! We are waiting for the Nicolas Peace Prize from the Nobel Committee for ending the bloodshed.
        In general, the Armenians themselves supported Pashinyan, but now they are unlikely to remember this, the proud are too proud. Tomatoes and boletus will definitely fly in ours in Armenia.
        In my opinion, it is better to do nothing than to create peace. Themselves would
        we would have dealt with the "Transcaucasian", but we had dealt with them quietly with their "elites".
        And so, zugzwang - Russia will be "extreme".
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 11 November 2020 17: 18
          +2
          I would like to know who we are? Who will "sort out" their elites in Russia on the sly? And how will it look like for you? Will you wring out real estate or something more abruptly? So for understanding, in Moscow, they are demolishing a whole sports complex, so that near the main mosque the square will be cleared for namaz. In power, all the lower levels of Russians will soon be gone. I am of course a Bolshevik and for the International, but in my opinion this is an overkill. Whose capital is that?
          1. Negruz
            Negruz 13 November 2020 10: 28
            -1
            What is being demolished there?
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 13 November 2020 14: 38
              0
              Sports complex "Olympic" which gave several thousand jobs. There were shops, a swimming pool, a book fair. And all this is for the crowds of Muslim-Gaster, so that there is a place to thump on all fours when the mullah starts a prayer, from the main mosque in the center of the Orthodox capital. I'm an atheist, but I don't like this. Am I at home or where? There is only one step from such tolerance to gay pride parades. Gay Europeans won't let you lie.
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              2. Negruz
                Negruz 18 November 2020 12: 28
                -1
                In fact, the sports complex is being reconstructed by actually building a new one in place of the old ..... It seems that the satellite and the pogrom have long been covered up, and the crap "in the style" flows "through the pipes"
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 18 November 2020 14: 52
                  0
                  Is your last name Sobyanin? He loves to tell fairy tales. I believe, do you? There will be a huge clearing for gaster. There is not enough room for them. Not looking at the grazing, the adjacent territory of the National Guard flops right under the wheels of cars. And they flow like a river, right along the road, on certain days.
                  1. Negruz
                    Negruz 18 November 2020 15: 14
                    -1
                    No, Sobyanin is your surname ... Nee - tajuddin ...
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 18 November 2020 18: 14
                      0
                      My name was noted on both sides of the front in the 19-20s of the last century. In the Second World War, she fought well, with a golden glow. Yes, and in the "peaceful" Soviet, suffered losses, serving the Motherland. And I myself, to the best of my ability, with you, bourgeois chubais, fought and fought. Don't be rude to me. And write deliberate stupidity. Russians in Moscow will soon be rare. One continuous aul.
                      1. Negruz
                        Negruz 18 November 2020 18: 34
                        -1
                        Yes, I guessed right away: the Earl of Essex is a very famous surname, my lord ...... Banging your head against the wall - here
                      2. Essex62
                        Essex62 18 November 2020 20: 42
                        0
                        I was hoping you were smarter. This will not happen. Pictures no more. So far, the Olympic is being destroyed, nothing more. A couple of buildings will, of course. But the main thing is a large clearing for worshipers.
                      3. Negruz
                        Negruz 18 November 2020 21: 51
                        -2
                        Don't worry: I didn't even hope for you ... The main thing is that you KNOW, but I have "pictures" ...
                      4. Essex62
                        Essex62 19 November 2020 06: 21
                        0
                        Zginh troll. Do not clog the ether.
        2. here
          here 30 November 2020 08: 52
          0
          Is that another reality? Who is it demolishing the Olympic and when did it start? Just a month ago, they were all in place, there was no construction equipment, on the contrary, there was a beautiful backlight.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 30 November 2020 09: 30
            0
            Are you seriously? Do I have something with my eyesight? Is it standing and functioning?
            And a couple of million Gaster are ephemeral, a figment of the imagination?
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 11 November 2020 08: 50
    10
    Quote: KilleMall
    now "go away" are yelling at him.

    And who's yelling? "... a thought is slipping through - how many men are there who are suitable for military service. Why did they not go to Karabakh earlier?"
    Duck because yelling in the square is safer than under enemy fire, and they know it. And not at all because Pashinyan deceived them. With them you have to "keep your eye out," always someone is to blame, who should .... Worthy of their Pashinyans ...
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 13 November 2020 01: 19
      +2
      Alexey said well. !!!
  • phair
    phair 14 November 2020 11: 05
    0
    This country voted 97% to leave the USSR. What is Hecuba to me?
  • iouris
    iouris 10 November 2020 14: 52
    +5
    It looks ugly. It looks like wildness.
    These are all Russian territories. The dissolution of the USSR is a defeat. The creation of Turan is defeat. What does the image of victory look like from different angles? And who is the winner - time will tell.
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    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 10 November 2020 15: 09
      33
      Why would Azerbaijan and Armenia be Russian territories? These two republics voluntarily entered the USSR and withdrew from it. Do you propose to return them by force? What for? Are we going to live better if they come back? Definitely not, we will only live worse. And without that, small business is all under Caucasians, and this is not good at all.
      1. iouris
        iouris 10 November 2020 15: 31
        +8
        The dissolution of the USSR was an illegal act that violated the Helsinki principles. USSR, of course, no, but the country remained. Otherwise, why would Moscow send troops to Karabakh?
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 10 November 2020 15: 37
          13
          What are the Helsinki agreements? The Helsinki agreements are about the inviolability of borders from the outside, and no one has violated the borders of the RSFSR, the ARSSR and the AzSSR from the outside. Russia sent troops to Karabakh because there are its strategic interests. And if you leave everything as it is, it will only get worse. Not for Armenia or Azerbaijan, but worse for Russia. I'm only afraid it's too late.
      2. tech3030
        tech3030 10 November 2020 16: 52
        15
        They entered naked and left !? How much have the Russian people and the USSR invested there ?!
      3. purple
        purple 10 November 2020 18: 30
        +4
        Always have been, since they were conquered. What was taken in battle is sacred ... Then all sorts of you ... Judas gave free rein. independence must be earned ... when it gets free, there will be problems
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      5. mister-red
        mister-red 10 November 2020 19: 44
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
        Why would Azerbaijan and Armenia be Russian territories? These two republics voluntarily entered the USSR and withdrew from it. Do you propose to return them by force? What for? Are we going to live better if they come back? Definitely not, we will only live worse. And without that, small business is all under Caucasians, and this is not good at all.

        Confusion. Russia and the USSR are not exactly the same thing. Armenia became part of the Russian Empire just to be saved. I don’t remember about the country Azerbaijan, in principle, during the times of the Russian Empire.
        And so yes, Russia definitely does not need such.
        1. Rubina
          Rubina 11 November 2020 15: 11
          0
          And about the country Armenia, which was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, remember ??
      6. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 November 2020 10: 42
        +1
        The exit of the republics was scheduled by law.
        First a referendum on withdrawal, then a five-year divorce period, and then another final referendum.
        Nobody used the right to secede, the secession of the republics from the USSR was not legal. There is no question of voluntary withdrawal, since people were not asked about this, but were obliged to do it according to the law.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 13 November 2020 13: 10
          0
          the secession of the republics from the USSR was not legal

          Present your claims against Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk.

          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 13 November 2020 15: 05
            0
            First of all, Gorbachev was guilty, the agreement on cooperation did not give the right to dissolve the bodies of state power of the USSR. Did not give the right to dissolve the republics. This question will surely arise in the future, it is a matter of time.
      7. nickname7
        nickname7 13 November 2020 13: 05
        0
        Do you propose to return them by force? What for? Are we going to live better if they come back?

        Of course, it is unnecessary to take anyone by force, but there are methods of so-called soft power, with the help of which it is possible to break up hostile alliances, draw countries into its orbit, but the cooperative Ozero does not own soft power.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 November 2020 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      What does the image of victory look like from different angles? And who is the winner - time will tell.

      I already wrote about this several times, but received disapproving comments and minuses. And now, as you agree, time will tell.
  • purple
    purple 10 November 2020 14: 56
    58
    funny ... when it was necessary to fight at home they sat ... and now they all got up as one. So that you Armenians surrender Shusha so quickly? Drapanuli not otherwise. Who prevented you from standing to death? The Brest Fortress held out for a month ... and there they did everything ...
    Sit too ... "warriors" won the first war at the expense of the "confederation of the mountain peoples of the Caucasus" ... did you think it would work this time too? Life has not shown that on your own you do not want to fight and die.
    So everything is natural, blame only yourself
    1. 210ox
      210ox 10 November 2020 17: 48
      10
      Yes, laughter through tears .. After the fight (in which they were slapped on the tinsel) they wave their hands. Hefty foreheads, where were you before?
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 11 November 2020 04: 03
        +8
        what laughter is laughter. just found out. we have a restaurant in our city, owned by the Armenians. so today it was bought by the Azerbaijanis to celebrate the victory over the Armenians. came to one of my neighbors (from the so-called "alternative city government") to take permission to the event. and what, I ask, have you allowed? yes radish with them, answers, let them walk. only flags said that only Russian were. here we have such a patriotic crime)))
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 November 2020 04: 18
          +4
          What kind of city is this where you have to take permission from the watchers in 2020?
          1. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 11 November 2020 05: 21
            +8
            this is Siberia. the city on the territory of which there are an adult, a woman, a youngster, a tube, and a huge prison. from tsarist times yet. traditions, so to speak, old. in the 90s there were attempts to create gang brigades, the so-called "controllers" of the Kuzbass, and at one time it seemed that the gangs would take over. there and the cops were tied tightly. the thieves turned out to be smarter and in fact stronger. the bandos, with rare exceptions, died suddenly. the town is currently considered "red", but in fact, in especially difficult cases, the situation is settled by the positie. there is practically no street crime. thugs periodically arise, but sooner or later they are closed by common efforts, and only in the zone they are "re-educated", well, or treated.
          2. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 11 November 2020 05: 36
            +8
            a situation four years ago. there were several underground gaming halls in the city. well, as underground ... everyone knew everything naturally. the halls were naturally criminalized. one evening, the workers of this hall were killed. including a woman. the checkout is gone. looking for the final both structures. found. turned out to be a Russian Railways employee on duty at the depot. gambling addict. They also hung up on him and robbing a gas station in Anzherka. and yes. the halls continue to exist. crime has not gone anywhere. just got smarter. merged with the authorities. and who is there who pays who, who is there with whom in shares, one can only guess.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 11 November 2020 08: 31
              +5
              Darkness and horror.
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 11 November 2020 09: 56
                +7
                yes as elsewhere in fact. the whole country lives like that. where the official voost is stronger, but this does not mean at all that they are outside the crime. just somewhere latent crime. smart. disguised, but no less dangerous from this. and somewhere he is a cheeky. and yes. speaking of crime, I mean all areas of criminal life. the deputy of the city council who allocated land in the city center at ridiculous prices, this is the same crime. the city prosecutor's office, which has watched the construction of a restaurant on this land for 2 years, is also a crime. and only after the construction and opening of the restaurant, the ennobling of the territory, the eyes of the regional prosecutor's office and the UK suddenly "open". property goes to where by dexterous manipulations ??? correctly! to criminals in uniform, but of a higher level))) and yes. in the Krasnodar Territory situevina is no better. I just have a lot of relatives there in Maykop and Belorechensk. knowing firsthand. racketeering is still being paid. Well, the shoulder straps are the same.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 11 November 2020 10: 16
                  0
                  Racket in the Krasnodar Territory? laughing Maikop - Adygea, and in Belorechensk, what is for racketeering? )) Once a guy came to my office and said that he was a veteran of everything, starting with Chernobyl, he fought for me, help me with money. I asked the worker to leave the office and lock it. The eccentric asked - will you call the cops and for what? I said, for the sake of personal identification, and then notified the price lists of the application for wear with a very gentle stay in the SIZO. laughing This is how the racketeering ended.
                  1. Skarpzd
                    Skarpzd 11 November 2020 11: 10
                    +4
                    the final time of the adidas and bull sweatpants has probably passed. those who survived and had the brains to rise for a long time in legal. all sorts of private security companies, for example. One of my old acquaintances from the "Kemerovo" owners of a company (but already in Khakassia) that produces fire alarm installation and service. well, as it is not accepted to refuse his services)) this is what racketeering is in the current sense.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 11 November 2020 12: 18
                      +2
                      Well, this, probably, yes. Because the threat of fire is rising laughing
            2. Sergey M. Karasev
              Sergey M. Karasev 12 November 2020 15: 20
              +2
              If I'm not mistaken, Mariinsk?
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 12 November 2020 16: 13
                +2
                right. Mariinsk
  • alekc75
    alekc75 10 November 2020 14: 57
    19
    who prevented them from going to fight ????? what were they waiting for?
    1. purple
      purple 10 November 2020 15: 02
      35
      Quote: alekc75
      who prevented them from going to fight ????? what were they waiting for?

      They expected that Russian guys would die for them ... After the Moscow region and Melkonian ... but I won't help the Armenian anymore ...
      1. vindigo
        vindigo 10 November 2020 16: 43
        +1
        It looks like they waited sad
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 10 November 2020 15: 18
      41
      I did not see crowds of Armenians from the local diaspora at the railway station in Irkutsk to help Artsakh. But I myself heard the conversations of their representatives that Russia should help.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2020 15: 26
        20
        And when Pashinyan was elected in Armenia and demanded to ban the Russian language, did they (the Armenians) also demand help from Russia? ..
      2. Proton
        Proton 10 November 2020 17: 00
        +4
        But today crowds of Azerbaijanis in cars with flags drove around the city.
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 10 November 2020 15: 24
      -1
      They would simply be killed there.
  • Asad
    Asad 10 November 2020 14: 59
    +6
    They started talking about peace early, if anarchy starts in Armenia, then I'm afraid our peacekeepers will get the most!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 November 2020 15: 07
      +3
      the only question is when a new round will begin.
      And apparently very soon ...
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 16: 41
        20
        Vladimir hi ,
        now both sides will blame Russia and our peacekeepers for what happens. And look how many and what "ryahi" the protesters have. And none of them rushed to “defend Karabakh”.
        1. Altona
          Altona 10 November 2020 17: 58
          0
          Quote: lexus
          And look how many and what "ryahi" the protesters have.

          -------------------------
          The bad news is that the Turks legally entered Karabakh and actually invaded the Russian zone of influence as a cancer. Now the Turks have their own enclave in the Russian Transcaucasia.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 10 November 2020 17: 34
        +4
        No, not soon :: according to the statement, a 5-year cycle with a six-month notice - so our WB in Stepanakert still stands and stands :: and this is in our interests until ISIS and Turks settled here and we found them later in the Volga region , in the Urals and Siberia - this is our checkpoint (even if you take money from these mountaineers for the maintenance of MK!) ...
        And I ask you not to forget: a UN Security Council document has been issued on this matter, no matter what the Armenians are yelling at and no matter what words they revile our guys.
        But you look - so we will build a railway to Iran. lol
    2. Andrey Stavropolsky
      Andrey Stavropolsky 11 November 2020 11: 34
      0
      Yes, and they will be taken out, and Armenia will be excluded from the ODKB, and that's the end of it. Let them themselves dismiss the Turks.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 November 2020 15: 00
    +1
    So the CIRCUS should not be eternal ... some are trying to refute such statements!
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 10 November 2020 17: 36
      +5
      For this, the peacekeepers will have a very large caliber and permission from the Security Council ...
  • KKND
    KKND 10 November 2020 15: 02
    -8
    It was Pashinyan's HPP-Cunning Plan. He merged Karabakh so that he himself would be merged and Soros himself came to power. But there is Soros's KPS-cunning plan, according to which he drains Pashinyan so that a pro-Russian politician comes to power, who, in turn, is guided by the KSP, according to which the Karabakh clan should come to power.
    But most importantly, the Blitzkrieg failed. Winter came and the Azerbaijanis signed an armistice because they did not know how to fight in the mountains and even in winter.
    All this happened because of the evil Americans.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 November 2020 15: 03
    -1
    Let them change to another Pashinyan in the person of their mediocre military men.
  • Ulrih
    Ulrih 10 November 2020 15: 04
    21
    By the way, not much is not clear - from the point of international law, how could Pashinyan sign something on Artsakh? He is the prime minister of Armenia, which is not officially at war with Azerbaijan.
    And yes, the riot resembles the "Fontainebleau revolt" after Napoleon's abdication.
    1. icant007
      icant007 10 November 2020 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: Ulrih
      Actually, not much is not clear - from the point of international law, how could Pashinyan sign something on Artsakh? He is the prime minister of Armenia, which is not officially at war with Azerbaijan.




      Karabakh does not have international legal personality.
      All negotiation processes were always carried out on behalf of Armenia.
      The only case under the 1994 ceasefire agreement is the signature of the NKR Prime Minister, along with the signatures of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    2. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 10 November 2020 19: 06
      0
      Quote: Ulrih
      By the way, not much is not clear - from the point of international law, how could Pashinyan sign something on Artsakh? He is the prime minister of Armenia, which is not officially at war with Azerbaijan.
      And yes, the riot resembles the "Fontainebleau revolt" after Napoleon's abdication.

      I haven't figured it out for many years. What's wrong with the heads of the rulers? What's wrong with international law? If Pashinyan signed, it means that he confessed to the aggression against the neighboring state. So, we need to push further.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 10 November 2020 15: 05
    13
    You licked Europe's ass, why didn't Europe help you? And why should Russia have to fight for you, conquering your territory? Will you prohibit the Russian language? No, thank you, fight for your "Karabakh" yourself, when the Azerbaijanis attack directly your territory, then Russia will help you, within the framework of the CSTO. Somewhere like that ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 10 November 2020 17: 41
      +1
      And it would be nice to threaten this mountainous shortening of the duration of the Treaty on Military Cooperation - I suppose they would immediately set their tail between their legs, fearing to be left alone with the Janissaries ...
      We now don't need this Treaty at all if we join the NPO under the mandate of the Security Council.
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  • leks
    leks 10 November 2020 15: 09
    +4
    "Too late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys have fallen off, is a statement of a belated reaction to something, an attempt to regain lost opportunities, to restore the previous situation."

    Many in the VO wrote in the comments that Pashinyan was giving up NK, along the way it was.
    Pashinyan and the command actually lied all this time about the real state of affairs at the front.
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 10 November 2020 15: 18
      +4
      Yes. It looks like a four-way staged play. What, how, when and why, was predetermined. Armenians and Azerbaijanis (more of course the latter) were simply given to let off steam. The revenge took place, Shusha was captured (and in fact surrendered), the Azerbaijanis are happy. Big politics.
  • BAI
    BAI 10 November 2020 15: 10
    +1
    why Russia is not helping Armenia.

    Because Armenia has a pro-American government. And we don't know how far it went in friendship with the United States.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 November 2020 15: 25
      +2
      Then you will also have to make excuses for other countries.
      1. Negruz
        Negruz 11 November 2020 10: 28
        0
        "that is unlikely"

        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 November 2020 10: 32
          +1
          The Americans will have to tightly deal with all the post Soviet countries, so if nothing is done, all that remains is excuses to sculpt about bad khataskrans.
          1. Negruz
            Negruz 11 November 2020 12: 00
            -1
            It is clear that the Armenians and Ukrainians do not have enough time to deal with the affairs of their countries ...
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 10 November 2020 16: 38
      +2
      why Russia is not helping Armenia.


      Because Armenia has a pro-American government. And we don't know how far it went in friendship with the United States.


      I think this agreement is help. Without Russia, the Ottomans would have put the squeeze on Karabakh. And so even though the locals will return, the peacekeepers will defend themselves. It will be seen further.

      It's not all that simple about the pro-American government. Maybe Pashinyan is hated in Moscow, but because of this dude they will not break off allied relations with Armenia.

      If you look at the whole situation in general, then yes, this is a tryndet for Armenians.
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 10 November 2020 17: 44
      +6
      In fact, the usual multi-vector approach - they will stab us in the back at any moment that is considered beneficial for betrayal ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2020 15: 10
    -5
    Armenians and Ukrainians are "brothers". Some have Donbass and Crimea. Others have Karabakh. Well done! Bravo! Bis!
    1. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 10 November 2020 16: 48
      +7
      In my opinion, you confused everything.
      Mostly Russians live in Crimea and Donbass, that is, representatives of a non-Ukrainian ethnic group. But Ukraine wants these regions to remain part of Ukraine, but the locals do not want this.

      Azerbaijan wants Karabakh to remain in their composition, while the Armenians tried to break away.
      These are parallels with Azerbaijan. In this regard, in your words, Azerbaijanis and Ukrainians are brothers.
      The difference is that Donbass is supported by a world power. Therefore, he is de facto independent.
      Karabakh is supported by Armenia, which is inferior to the enemy in terms of economy, demography and combat capability.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 November 2020 15: 12
    11
    ... A thought slips through my head - how many men there are suitable for military service. Why didn't they go to Karabakh earlier? ...

    Maybe because the Armenian government sometimes preferred to promote the successes of its military campaign, rather than its defeat, from which it was possible to draw conclusions? Right now, people in Yerevan seem to have woken up from a ladle of boiling water. So things were that bad? Why did our sons die?


    What kind of cheap excuses? Are all Armenians blind and deaf? Is Internet Banned in Armenia? We did not know. Handsome men. We got what we deserved.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 November 2020 15: 50
      +5
      Quote: sergo1914
      What kind of cheap excuses? Are all Armenians blind and deaf? Is Internet Banned in Armenia? We did not know. Handsome men.

      And full mobilization was announced in Armenia.
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 10 November 2020 15: 14
    +3
    Why is there a photo of Monte Melkonyan and quotations in the article - after all, this is an international terrorist. Melkonyan in 1983 carried out a terrorist attack against the representative office of Turkish Airlines at Orly airport. As a result, five people are killed and another 55 are injured. Two years later, the terrorist is caught and arrested and the French put him in prison for 6 years, having been found guilty of committing 4 terrorist attacks at different times and in different places. In Karabakh, this terrorist participated in the extermination of the inhabitants of the city of Khojaly.
    You can't do that. How would you react if the Azerbaijani press cited quotes for example Raduev would insert his photo. I ask the administration - remove the photo of this terrorist
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 10 November 2020 16: 07
      +1
      Thanks to the moderator for your understanding and prompt response.
  • Martin
    Martin 10 November 2020 15: 17
    +9
    - We are ready to fight for Karabakh!
    Why didn't you fight? Is it because it is much easier to smash a defenseless building than to stand under bullets in Karabakh?
    Nothing, nothing ...
    These screamers are not able to do anything. Hooligan and calm down. Or they will be reassured.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 10 November 2020 15: 18
    12
    I wonder if there is at least one Armenian on the site who will say: "Yes, we were wrong, we must hang on a bitch those who fought for a break with Russia."
    1. Gofman
      Gofman 10 November 2020 15: 20
      +6
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      is there at least one Armenian on the website who will say: "Yes, we were wrong, we must hang on a bitch those who fought for a break with Russia."

      They will answer in their own style: what, did someone advocate? There was no such thing!
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 10 November 2020 15: 27
      0
      As if it would prevent Azerbaijanis from attacking.
      1. Bobik012
        Bobik012 10 November 2020 20: 03
        +3
        Still, as it were, it was in the way! It is unlikely that they would have dared without securing the neutrality of Russia. As soon as Moscow said, Sha, then the red line, the war ended. Pashinyan is humiliated and punished, Armenia is poked with its nose at what it had previously thrown into Russia, and who owns which regions there is not important. the Azerbaijanis were not prevented from winning, the Armenians were saved by Karabakh - good fellows from all sides!
        PS There may be another interpretation: the Azerbaijanis were not allowed to gain a complete victory, the Armenians were not saved from defeat - they were bad from all sides.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 10 November 2020 20: 44
          -1
          Russia was selling new weapons to Azerbaijan long before Pashinyan came, essentially helping their war plans.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 11 November 2020 08: 44
            +3
            Azerbaijan had money for weapons, would not buy in Russia, would buy somewhere else. If Armenia had less money, well, these are the problems of Armenia, it was necessary to think about who could help and how much it would cost.
          2. Negruz
            Negruz 11 November 2020 10: 38
            +4
            Russia gave armaments to Armenia free of charge ... The savings could have been used to improve combat training ...
          3. user1212
            user1212 12 November 2020 07: 40
            +2
            Quote: Kronos
            Russia was selling new weapons to Azerbaijan long before Pashinyan came, essentially helping their war plans.

            You yourself answer the question what the people of Armenia did in 30 years to defend these territories? Recognized them legally? No. Built an army? No. Have you chosen a decent government? No. They just stole the budget and spat in the well. Not a single Armenian in the world came from abroad to help, not a penny was sent to the war by the Armenian diasporas existing all over the world. It turned out that the Armenians themselves do not need either Armenia or Karabakh. But Russia is to blame, aha
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 10 November 2020 15: 21
    +6
    those who like to shake the air and noise effects .. it is better to hold meetings than to defend their right in the trenches.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 November 2020 15: 21
    11
    Immediately after this, a spontaneous rally began in Yerevan with pogroms of the Government and Parliament buildings,
    Something similar already happened in Yerevan in April 2018, only for Pashinyan, and now against.
    Pashinyan was not helped either by his friend Soros.
    1. Elturisto
      Elturisto 10 November 2020 22: 04
      +2
      Why won't you post a photo of Aliyev with Soros?
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 10 November 2020 15: 22
    +9
    Suddenly, a huge cobblestone flies overhead and hits the door of the Government. The glass shatters into small pieces. People begin to smash the main doors and windows and climb inside.


    I kept thinking why Azerbaijan won in an easy war ... in my understanding - three-quarters of the troops of the advancing side should lie stupidly in minefields ... and here it is ... from a banal cobblestone The glass shatters into small pieces. Yes, this glass should withstand a turn at close range from AKM !!! am This is how Armenia was preparing to repel the enemy ... hmm ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2020 15: 30
      11
      Corona without a Virus, the whole point is that the Azerbaijanis on the Maidans did not ride, but worked and armed their army. I do not think that they screamed to the whole world that Russia owes them something there.
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 10 November 2020 16: 06
        16
        And it always happens when the "incredible" get to the power. In Georgia - Gamsakhurdia - as a result of the war in Abkhazia and Ossetia. And what a human being he was. Poet, dissident, political prisoner, "thinker with the eyes of a doe and forehead." Mishiko - the result is the same. Ter-Petrosyan and Elchibey. Well, both darlings. Humanities. The most educated and humane people. The result is the Karabakh conflict. And in Tajikistan, it was not without a national intelligentsia. The result is a civil war. And in Moldova. The result is Transnistria, a split country. And in Ukraine. The result is Crimea bye-bye, war in Donbas. Pashinyan, an incredible favorite of the West - the result is obvious. Oh, about Kyrgyzstan, and do not want to remember. And we have the same incredible elves striving for power. God forbid. It starts with songs, dances, incredible atmosphere, flags and inevitably ends with blood.
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 10 November 2020 16: 09
          +5
          And what's funny. It always starts with "you do not understand this is different" and always ends the same way. Whoa urot?
        2. sevtrash
          sevtrash 10 November 2020 17: 52
          +6
          Quote: g_ae
          Humanities. The most educated and humane people. The result is the Karabakh conflict. And in Tajikistan, it was not without a national intelligentsia. The result is a civil war. And in Moldova. The result is Transnistria, a split country. And in Ukraine. The result is Crimea bye-bye, war in Donbass.

          Idealists, liberals are the most terrible people. In the name of their idea, millions will put in and not frown, because for them this is the fundamental idea of ​​existence and the achievement of the common good. Let millions perish, but future generations will be free (in something, from something, for something). And they will not doubt.
  • Gofman
    Gofman 10 November 2020 15: 23
    +9
    The shock in people is understandable. Until the last day Shushana Stepanyan worked as "Deutsche Wochenshau" - even yesterday on her Facebook you can read about overcoming after overcoming, and see hopes of winning in the comments - she did not write anything about the real state of affairs at all ... Here on the forum it was explained that they say, the video from the drones is drawn on the computer, "I can do that too! ..." Well, if you paint yourself a victory, or something ... The advancement of Azerbaijani troops is simply the destruction of leaked DRGs ... - I don’t want to repeat, earlier the member of the forum could not stand it and called it slander ... And then like a sickle. The shock of facing reality. Whom did they lie to, why? After all, this lie delayed the inevitable, prolonged the agony and contributed to all deaths in the last days.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 10 November 2020 15: 25
    17
    - The government has betrayed its people! We chose him, and he betrayed us! Where is he now? Why isn't he with us? Why isn't he in Yerevan? Where did he go?

    There was no nail - the Horseshoe was gone.
    There was no horseshoe - The horse limped.
    The horse is limp - the Commander is killed.
    The cavalry is defeated - the Army is fleeing.
    The enemy enters the city,
    Captive not sparing
    Because in the forge
    There was no nail.
  • tarabar
    tarabar 10 November 2020 15: 33
    33
    On the square to drive a mobile recording station of volunteers and I think the crowd is very good. will thin out a lot.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2020 15: 50
      15
      This is a great idea! And if such a mobile point is made in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar or Sochi.
      Of course, humanly sorry for the Armenians. But their stupidity with the choice of Pashinyan, the whining that Russia is obliged to help them, is already tired. Everything has come to its logical conclusion. And congratulations to Azerbaijanis! Well done. They proved to the whole world that they are capable not only of fruits in the bazaar, but of trade.
      1. flicker
        flicker 11 November 2020 17: 27
        0
        They proved to the whole world that they are capable not only of fruits in the bazaar, but also of trading.
        but also to dispose of Turkish askers by paving the way with their bodies to the liberation of Karabakh.
        ---
        Of course, different figures, there are reports that the utilization of the Turks is already calculated in the thousands.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 November 2020 15: 34
    +9
    The expression "Late to rush" is best suited to this situation. And about the "violent reaction" - for this, probably, thanks to propaganda and brainwashing. How long have the state propagandists of Armenia been blowing into people's ears about the fact that everything is going the way, about victory, some cunning, secret, multi-step plans - and here is BAMS! And all this at once turns out to be bullshit - and why was it asked to lie and rub?
    Armenia poorly prepared for this war, was not consistent in this preparation, did not pay enough attention to alarm bells - and this is the result, perhaps even close to the final for a long period of time.
    This happens every time WHEN THE COUNTRY FACES SERIOUS CHALLENGES and the government throws noodles to people, feels on virtual laurels and builds deeply hypothetical projects. For us, this whole situation, like "Belarus 2020" - is a very good lesson, which should be pondered the day before yesterday.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 November 2020 15: 35
    +5
    Woe to the vanquished.
  • Rumblings
    Rumblings 10 November 2020 15: 39
    +5
    They look like the Kirghiz riots, but unlike Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia, the Kirghiz, changing their power, manage not to lose territory.
    Probably they are like Joe, that is, their lands are not needed by anyone, although there were bloody graters with Uzbeks.
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  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 10 November 2020 15: 44
    +9
    The Armenians had three decades to finalize the Karabakh issue. Either by negotiation with reaching a compromise, or by force, ensuring military superiority.
    However, they were not seriously engaged in anything except corruption and colored jumping.
    The current outcome is the best among the real possible ones for the Armenian nation.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 November 2020 16: 28
      13
      Didn't you just write something slightly different three weeks ago: lol
      Quote: Livonetc
      I'm tired of this fairy tale about squeezing.
      In favor of the poor.
      The operation just failed.
      Failed operation, yeah.
      Quote: Livonetc
      What losses did the Azerbaijani army suffer?
      If this goes on it will be a disaster for Azerbaijan.
      As a result, we have: Aliyev is a national hero and a winner in Azerbaijan, Pashinyan is a traitor and outcast in the eyes of Armenians. Armenia will leave Karabakh by the end of the month. How is it? Disaster for Azerbaijan? lol
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 November 2020 16: 46
        14
        Colleague hi ,
        here for some "changing shoes in a jump" is a common thing. laughing
      2. Livonetc
        Livonetc 10 November 2020 17: 37
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Didn't you just write something slightly different three weeks ago: lol
        Quote: Livonetc
        I'm tired of this fairy tale about squeezing.
        In favor of the poor.
        The operation just failed.
        Failed operation, yeah.
        Quote: Livonetc
        What losses did the Azerbaijani army suffer?
        If this goes on it will be a disaster for Azerbaijan.
        As a result, we have: Aliyev is a national hero and a winner in Azerbaijan, Pashinyan is a traitor and outcast in the eyes of Armenians. Armenia will leave Karabakh by the end of the month. How is it? Disaster for Azerbaijan? lol

        I wrote a lot if you are interested in retrospective.
        And the fact that Aliyev will sit down at the negotiating table.
        And only after significant military successes. (This is when everyone wangovov that the premiership is all empty and the war will be to the last)
        And the fact that Pashinyan is draining Karabakh and in itself is a great success for Azerbaijan.
        And the fact that the delay until winter will be a failure for Azerbaijan.
        And the fact that it is necessary to compromise with the division of territories.
        Moreover, if you read carefully, I was not on whose side.
        While admitting that, as a country, Azerbaijan understands me more.
        I wrote a lot, if interested, read it.

        Unfortunately, there were few hopes for a peaceful outcome.
        Aliyev, in the current situation, was humanly surprised and forced to respect himself.
        1. Bobik012
          Bobik012 10 November 2020 19: 47
          +4
          Aliyev signed what he was told. In Moscow they decided "OK, guys, that's enough, it's time to clean up a little here" (quote). Azerbaijan (well, and Aliyev personally) received Peremog, Armenia a lesson for 2018, Pashinyan - on merit, Karabakh - the status quo, Russia - a base in the Caucasus and international profit. , tormented by the feeling that the result was planned in advance
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 10 November 2020 17: 53
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        Pashinyan is a traitor and an outcast in the eyes of Armenians.

        Yes, we somehow purple about other people's eyes ...
        Two years ago, Pashinyan was supposed to receive a paper stating that "if the Prime Minister betrays Russia by engaging in tricks with its enemies (list), then the Prime Minister will shoot until the harm he inflicted on Russia as a party to the Cooperation Agreement is revealed."
        Otherwise, he gets a bullet from the outside.
  • Stepan53274
    Stepan53274 10 November 2020 15: 48
    +5
    Again this tearful Armenian tone. They were waiting for the Russian guys to come to fight for them in Karabakh. Those who are now waving their hands after a fight are either cowards or bought by amers to destabilize the situation in the Caucasus.
  • Stepan53274
    Stepan53274 10 November 2020 15: 50
    0
    Quote: Gofman
    The shock in people is understandable. Shushana Stepanyan until the last day worked as "Deutsche Wochenshau" -.

    Armenians are no strangers, read on the Internet about the Armenian legions of the fa.shist leadership
  • Referent
    Referent 10 November 2020 16: 01
    +7
    There will be no continuation. The Armenians are not warriors, but traders and artisans (shoes to fix, boots to patch, to make a duplicate key). Azerbaydzhans, too, are traders of greens and fruits. One on one (without the Turks) would hardly dare to get involved in their campaign. I have nothing against the national mentality of the warring parties in this conflict. Armenians and Azerbodzhans were really strong only in the Soviet Army! There were heroes and respected people. And now - zilch! Well, voice the names of the heroes of the Azerbaijani people with a description of the feat ... or the hero of the Armenian, to whom all the schoolchildren of Armenia should be equal ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 November 2020 16: 20
      +4
      or an Armenian hero, whom all Armenian schoolchildren should be equal to ...
      Here is the editor-in-chief of "Russia Today" Smart and educated woman. I respect her very much. But she and her husband made, in my opinion, a smart decision - sitting in a well-fed and calm Moscow, to send curses in the direction of Pashinyan. Well, really, they shouldn't fight their husband, volunteers in the Armenian army.) It's easier that way. And more satisfying. ))
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 November 2020 19: 20
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        or an Armenian hero, whom all Armenian schoolchildren should be equal to ...
        Here is the editor-in-chief of "Russia Today" Smart and educated woman. I respect her very much. But she and her husband made, in my opinion, a smart decision - sitting in a well-fed and calm Moscow, to send curses in the direction of Pashinyan. Well, really, they shouldn't fight their husband, volunteers in the Armenian army.) It's easier that way. And more satisfying. ))

        She is a fighter on the information front, in the news format.
      2. Negruz
        Negruz 11 November 2020 10: 44
        -1
        On the front line - there will be enough people ... Someone needs a head too ... Simonyan and her husband are more useful at the headquarters ...
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 12: 50
          0
          Of course, at the headquarters. And with Russian citizenship .....
          1. Negruz
            Negruz 11 November 2020 13: 06
            -1
            Yes .... And with her work, she will help the historical homeland more than the "grachik" motorized rifle battalion ... To paraphrase the manager of General Motors: what is good for Russia is good for Armenia ...
          2. Vlad Vlad (Shimas)
            Vlad Vlad (Shimas) 11 November 2020 20: 31
            0
            they have citizenship by birth, and you?
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 10 November 2020 16: 31
    +6
    - We are ready to fight for Karabakh!


    Before it was necessary ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 10 November 2020 18: 31
      +4
      They have said this many times before, but they did not go into a fight ...
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 10 November 2020 16: 45
    +4
    "Hot" Armenian (according to the type of defeat in Yerevan = Kyrgyz) guys! First, they overthrew one Preza - pushed Pashinyan into power. Now - spinning backwards ???
  • times
    times 10 November 2020 16: 52
    20
    We are ready to fight for Karabakh! They lied to us!

    The train left ... After the fight, they don't wave their fists.
  • Edvagan
    Edvagan 10 November 2020 17: 06
    +4
    but I had the following thought, follow the logic (maybe wrong):
    1. Who brought Pashinyan to power? - Soros
    2. What is more important for the USA: Armenia or Azerbaijan? Rather, Azerbaijan: richer, more populated, there is oil, there is an outlet to the Caspian Sea, it can be opposed to Iran. Therefore, the United States has been circling around Azerbaijan for a long time already.
    3. So maybe Soros sent Pashinyan specifically to pursue a beneficial policy for the United States: Azerbaijan is taking away its territories, Pashinyan is blocking normal resistance, Armenia is losing, because the prime minister himself is drowning against his country, the euphoria in Azerbaijan from victory, they are slowly being informed that this is not just that, but a special operation of the US special services, i.e. The United States helped Azerbaijan to reclaim its territories by placing in the chair of the Armenian Prime Minister a man who was initially imprisoned for surrendering Karabakh.
    How is the version?
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 10 November 2020 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: Edvagan
      but I had the following thought, follow the logic (maybe wrong):
      1. Who brought Pashinyan to power? - Soros
      2. What is more important for the USA: Armenia or Azerbaijan? Rather, Azerbaijan: richer, more populated, there is oil, there is an outlet to the Caspian Sea, it can be opposed to Iran. Therefore, the United States has been circling around Azerbaijan for a long time already.
      3. So maybe Soros sent Pashinyan specifically to pursue a beneficial policy for the United States: Azerbaijan is taking away its territories, Pashinyan is blocking normal resistance, Armenia is losing, because the prime minister himself is drowning against his country, the euphoria in Azerbaijan from victory, they are slowly being informed that this is not just that, but a special operation of the US special services, i.e. The United States helped Azerbaijan to reclaim its territories by placing in the chair of the Armenian Prime Minister a man who was initially imprisoned for surrendering Karabakh.
      How is the version?

      Honestly, crap. smile
    2. Bobik012
      Bobik012 10 November 2020 20: 10
      +7
      About nothing! All Azerbaijan knows that it was not the United States that helped, but Turkey.
      Don't smoke THIS anymore
  • vanNormayenn
    vanNormayenn 10 November 2020 17: 24
    +7
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    It's not about losing the war. Any conflict can be lost. It's about lying. The government lied to the people who elected it about the situation at the front, and it lied skillfully, investing more resources in the information war than in the real one. It would be better if the hired Armenian bots were sent to the front, there they would be more useful.

    It was not only the Armenians who lied. Take the same Semyon Pegov. Every day he told how Azerbaijani DRGs were surrounded and destroyed. And on November 5 they approached Shusha.
  • yriuv62
    yriuv62 10 November 2020 17: 39
    +9
    All videos and photos show young healthy men demanding to go to the Prime Minister's residence, demanding the continuation of the war. Interestingly, and who prevented them from going to the front? But they are to the residence, only to share the power, and Vanya will fight again for them. Putin sent peacekeepers! Yes, let them cut until they cut each other!
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 10 November 2020 17: 42
    +1
    What can I say ... Russia has learned to act decisively and quickly, to exercise its political will without firing a single shot.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 10 November 2020 18: 07
      +1
      Subtly noticed, without a single shot and with losses.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 10 November 2020 17: 47
    +2
    It is too late for the Armenians to arrange the races .. Your Pashinyan betrayed you and bloody!
    It's time to set a curfew in Yerevan, if the booze continues .. We remembered it, but it's too late.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 10 November 2020 18: 05
    +5
    I immediately drew attention to the photo, all so full of strength young, what artist are you not at the front?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 November 2020 18: 59
      +6
      Quote: SARANCHA1976
      what artist are you not at the front?

      It's useless to shout at the front, and they won't let me. And it also happens there that they kill.
  • purple
    purple 10 November 2020 18: 07
    +4
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    I wonder if there is at least one Armenian on the site who will say: "Yes, we were wrong, we must hang on a bitch those who fought for a break with Russia."

    It is fantastic...
  • purple
    purple 10 November 2020 18: 17
    +3
    Quote: vanNormayenn
    It was not only the Armenians who lied. Take the same Semyon Pegov. Every day he told how Azerbaijani DRGs were surrounded and destroyed. And on November 5 they approached Shusha.

    Sema sang what he was told
  • purple
    purple 10 November 2020 18: 26
    0
    Quote: Proton
    But today crowds of Azerbaijanis in cars with flags drove around the city.

    why didn’t you go out and give the lullies? Nobody drove around our city
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 10 November 2020 18: 42
    +3
    We need to pray that this is where the war ended. Hundreds of more cargo 200 would have seemed patriotic entertainment to few people.
    By the way, Garik Martirosyan's face seems to have flashed in one of the photos.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 10 November 2020 18: 56
    +3
    Before you had to fight. And after the fight, they don't wave their fists.
  • certero
    certero 10 November 2020 19: 01
    +2
    It seems that it was necessary not to interfere.
  • svoit
    svoit 10 November 2020 19: 25
    -1
    Quote: Nasdaq
    but because of this dude

    And put another? Not enough fantasy?
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 10 November 2020 19: 30
    +6
    Immediately after this, a spontaneous rally began in Yerevan with pogroms of the Government and Parliament buildings, the slogans of which were the displacement of the current government, the abolition of surrender and the election of a new command ready for military operations. Two o'clock in the morning. A huge crowd of people begins to flock to the central square of the Republic
    And where was all this huge crowd when the fighting was going on in Karabakh? Bravura statements at the rallies - "All Armenia has risen", ended with lifting from the sofa and going out into the streets with slogans. Those who actually went to support Karabakh, apart from the Armenian military, could be seen from the Armenian reports - separate groups and small groups. Where Pashinyan's wife fought, with her "female detachment" ... Fars, the best patriots remained forever in Karabakh.
    Heart and soul, he supported only the residents of Karabakh, who once again became a bargaining chip for politicians.
  • Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 10 November 2020 19: 44
    +9
    I would venture to suggest that it is worth adjusting the Urals and starting loading, for the war. In 5 minutes there will be no one left on the square ...
  • Ham
    Ham 10 November 2020 20: 15
    +6
    healthy, well-fed hari for some reason do not go to the front but jump with pans on their heads