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Once again on the neoliberal military reform project

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The inventors of the "fencing"



The discussed project of reforming the Armed Forces and military service in the Russian Federation not only aroused keen interest, but made us understand the true motives and evaluate the final consequences of the proposed measures.

If with an increase in the length of service, giving the right to a pension from 20 to 25 years; with the next "fencing" of some categories of military personnel (after military lawyers, financiers, some logisticians, they took up doctors, personnel officers, etc.); with the fact that studying at a military university is not a service, that is, an officer will have to serve for 30 years before retirement; removing all contract servicemen from the boiler rations, increasing the terms of wearing uniforms; with the fact that contractors are only entitled to a hostel for the first 10 years of service, and now it is impossible to use a mortgage during the period of service - the motivation of the "inventors" of the new service standards is somehow understandable. Well, apparently, no one in the Ministry of Finance served either in the army or in navy, and if he did, then (like their minister himself) - as a private.

They do not understand, in principle, why an army is needed - after all, no one is attacking us right now? And for them the officers: everything is not enough for them and everything is not enough for combat readiness, they themselves do nothing, but force the poor soldiers to work ... Of course, only with such views could such proposals appear. And, of course, they have no talk about any prestige of the army, about any strengthening of the country's defense capability, and even more so about the combat readiness and combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces.

Just think, at first those who have 20 years of service (and these are the most experienced!) Will leave the army, then new contract soldiers will stop going to the service and will begin to quit the graduates of the higher educational institutions who had not particularly held on to the service, which the army and navy are waiting for.

And this is only a superficial glance at the consequences of such decisions. Because, from a professional point of view, it's even more depressing.

Ten percent wedge


Let's pay attention to one more point of the would-be reformers - a 10% reduction in the personnel of the Armed Forces.

Any professional soldier will confirm that this is an extremely costly event. Such large-scale reductions have been prepared for years and have been carried out for years, as a rule, in several stages (for example, the withdrawal of most of the American contingent from Europe or Afghanistan, which never took place). And if you do not, it will be like we did in the 90s: mindless, inhuman, “killing” the army. And with her - a whole generation of professional defenders of the fatherland (when they simply did not pay either the dismissed or those still in the service, funds were not allocated either to preserve the housing and barracks stock, or to ensure the combat readiness of weapons and military equipment). And all this is just under the slogans of reforming the RF Armed Forces.

Here are some calculations: a reduction in personnel by 100 people (officers, contract soldiers and conscripts at the rate of 000 rubles for each) is about 30 billion rubles in expenses for all types of allowances per month.
For the year, the budget will receive savings of as much as 36 billion rubles (for the budget, the figure is a penny). But this is where the nuances begin.

Dismissal for organizational staff activities and termination of the contract at the initiative of the Ministry of Defense - these are rather large payments from the budget (3-4 official salaries with all allowances, payments and compensations), provision of housing for officers after dismissal, large-scale costs of conservation of military camps, organization of storage and maintenance of weapons and military equipment in combat readiness, organization and implementation of mobilization activities. In all likelihood, all these expenses will obviously overshadow the savings, but this is not the worst thing.

The main thing is that the country's economy will simultaneously receive a 100-strong army of unemployed, young, healthy, promising former servicemen who are counting on a good salary. And in the conditions of the economic crisis and pandemic, it is unlikely that work will be found quickly (in a month or two). It is necessary to pay unemployment benefits, organize and pay for retraining and training in new specialties. But there are also families of servicemen with their problems. And it will take a long time before they reach the pre-layoff income level. But those 36 billion rubles in savings are nothing more than a direct deduction from annual GDP. And it is unlikely that it will be compensated even after a year. Aggregate consumer demand is recovering more slowly than incomes of the population are growing, especially in times of crisis.

Zhvanetsky's recipe


But this is not the worst thing either. After all, they intend to reduce the Armed Forces not by ten people from each company, but by fully-fledged combat-ready formations and units. And this is about 10-12 full-strength brigades or 5-6 divisions. Probably, the troops will still be reduced not in threatened directions, but in the internal districts, but it is they who should play the role of the 3rd echelon for 3-5 days of fighting, ready to make up for the losses of our troops on the front line. But these units (after disbandment), having become a mobilization reserve, will be able to arrive at the front line only after mobilization, additional training and combat coordination, that is, after 2-3 weeks. At a minimum, such a development of events (in the event of a military conflict or a local war) is fraught with unjustified losses, loss of strategic initiative, and severe military-political consequences. But the Ministry of Finance, apparently, thinks that they know better how to ensure the military security of the country?

Thus, in financial terms, there will be no tangible savings from such events. From an economic point of view, the country receives a hundred thousandth army of unemployed, while narrowing aggregate consumer demand (that is, deliberately reducing GDP). From the military-political standpoint: the level of national security of the country is clearly declining, and the prestige of the army and military service is again slipping to zero.

In our opinion, no one (except for neoliberals) could think of this, even if we assume the extremely low professional level of the authors of this project.

Moreover, it has long been proven and confirmed by practice that the effective level of military spending (this is when both the military and the civilian sector of the economy receive the maximum from military orders for the defense industry complex) for modern Russia is 4 ± 0,5%. (The level of GDP in 2015-1016 and after the reduction of military spending in 2017 also shows this). But opportunities for the realization of the existing potential are not fully used, thanks again to the position of our Ministry of Finance.

So maybe, as the unforgettable M.M. Zhvanetsky said, something needs to be corrected at the conservatory?
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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 11 November 2020 10: 10
    15
    If with an increase in the length of service, giving the right to a pension from 20 to 25 years; with the next "fencing" of some categories of military personnel (after military lawyers, financiers, some logisticians, they took up doctors, personnel officers, etc.); with the fact that studying at a military university is not a service, that is, an officer will have to serve for 30 years before retirement; removing all contract servicemen from the boiler rations, increasing the terms of wearing uniforms; with the fact that contractors are only entitled to a hostel for the first 10 years of service, and now it is impossible to use a mortgage during the period of service - the motivation of the "inventors" of the new service standards is still somehow understandable. Well, apparently no one in the Ministry of Finance served either in the army or in the navy, and if he did, then (like their minister himself) - as a private.

    Indeed, if the Lord wants to punish a person without external mutilation, then he robs his mind!
    As for the Ministry of Finance, the order for the RF Armed Forces apparently came from the IMF.
    1. Shiva83483
      Shiva83483 11 November 2020 10: 27
      +4
      And this, that is, the mind at least was among the "neoliberals"? As for me, this option was not included in them at the stage of their design by the manufacturer. From nowhere and so stupid, to match these comrades and proposals for the reduction of the Armed Forces
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 11 November 2020 10: 40
        +1
        And this, that is, the mind at least was among the "neoliberals"? As for me, this option was not included in them at the stage of their design by the manufacturer.
        A bit wrong: the presence of brains for neoliberals is not just not established, but is an extremely harmful congenital or acquired defect. They also have a strict selection for this criterion. There is a brain - culling. Otherwise, how are they going to do nasty things to their homeland on command? Only reflexes to commands given from the West. And only the reflexes they need. Not any at all.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 10: 48
        +8
        Quote: Shiva83483
        And this, that is, the mind at least was among the "neoliberals"? As for me, this option was not included in them at the stage of their design by the manufacturer. From nowhere and so stupid, to match these comrades and proposals for the reduction of the Armed Forces

        In our economy, these are inevitable processes. First, they reduced the share of infrastructure projects, then social services, after medicine, now they have reached the army, what will be cut afterwards? Rosgvardia and the police do not want to cut it yet. This means that those in power are more afraid of the "internal enemy" than the "external enemy".
        1. lucul
          lucul 11 November 2020 11: 12
          +2
          In our economy, these are inevitable processes. First, they reduced the share of infrastructure projects, then social services, after medicine, now they have reached the army, what will be cut afterwards?

          I explain - this always happens when the chief accountant tries to manage (optimize) production (plant) instead of the director, that is, they always have one task - to cut costs as much as possible, and what will happen next, they do not care at all, i.e. but they do not understand anything about it. Therefore, in successful firms, the role of accountants is strictly limited, and completely different people are involved in planning and development.
          This is quite simple ...
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 11: 23
            +6
            Quote: lucul
            I explain - this always happens when the chief accountant tries to lead ...

            It is necessary to think not about reducing costs, but about increasing income, that is, about improving the economy. A resource-based economy will only lead to further degradation and the collapse of the state.
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 11 November 2020 11: 39
          +7
          Alexey hi,
          the task of the liberal-oligarchic "power" is to deprive the Armed Forces of the ability to repel external aggression, on the contrary, by significantly increasing the capacity to perform police functions. All this is quite clearly seen in the current destructive program of military development. They are preparing not to fight with "partners", but to confront their own people, dissatisfied with the plunder.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 11 November 2020 10: 40
      +6
      Quote: Tatiana
      Indeed, if the Lord wants to punish a person without external mutilation, then he deprives him of his reason!

      Tatyana hi I think they have everything in order with reason, there is no conscience and greed is transcendental.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 11 November 2020 11: 03
        +7
        there is no conscience and greed is transcendental.

        Plus a cold calculation to destroy the country's defenses by order of Western curators. On the wrong side, they are trying to spoil from this side.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 11 November 2020 11: 58
        +5
        Vladimir hi,
        the people are not included in the "assets" of traitors. Therefore, they try in every possible way to get rid of it, as from "ballast". Including sharpening, in case of an increase in internal confrontation, the existing armed formations under the protection of the personal property interests of the "elita" just from the encroachments of citizens, and not their own population from external threats.
    3. depressant
      depressant 11 November 2020 10: 59
      +3
      Exactly, Tatiana, from the IMF! For, I remind you, Siluanov is an official employee of the IMF in the position of a manager from the Russian Federation. That is, by definition, an enemy of Russia.
      I read the article and thought: shouldn't we abolish the Ministry of Finance, replacing it with a computer? And at the same time the Ministry of Economic Development? Which is obliged by the fact of its existence to develop its own Russian production so that the budget is regularly and regularly replenished with taxes in increasing monetary terms. So that the question of reducing our army due to the impossibility of funding it in the proper amount looked absurd, which it is, in essence, taking into account the length of our borders and the size of the territory.
      Treat your heads, gentlemen financiers! So that such provocations against the army, therefore, our country do not even appear in the information field!
    4. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 11 November 2020 11: 07
      +3
      Probably 7 times I reread this paragraph. I understand the emotions of the author when preparing this material, but they should not affect the final quality of the text. This is at least unforgivable for the readers. And although I, of course, understood the essence of what was said, but no offense, who writes that? I immediately remembered the monologue (it is difficult to call it a dialogue, even though there were more than 2 people in the frame) of the late Krasko from the movie "72 meters":

      Easystupov, ... do you know what your last name is? Easy-to-do, that is, light, one might say, airy ... What did you write ?! A vest through the letter "i", an overcoat through the letter "e", boots in general! ... What are you doing, Legkostupov ?! Listen to me, Easystop. There are words in the Russian language, there are many of them. When you put them together, you get a sentence where there is a predicate, subject and other chiaroscuro. And all this is the great Russian language, Legkostupov. You understood me?!
      “Yes, comrade commander!”
      - So, we have a great Russian language! In it, rearrange the pronoun, predicate and subject, and the intonation will appear !: "Our Masha is crying bitterly., Or" Our Masha is crying bitterly. " Do you understand?!, This is poetry !, this is bylinas, mamma's mink !! ... But there are generally sentences in one word: "Drizzle", "Evening", "Dusk" ... Do you feel?
      “Yes, comrade commander!”
      - No x .. you do not feel! When I read what you wrote, I scratch myself in the most immodest places! You can immediately break the penis until you get to the end of the paragraph! Who taught you?
      - At school.
      - Show me, and I will tear it, like a tazik heating pad.
      - I say - at school.
      - And am I, whether I’ve studied abroad, Easy-access ?!
      - If I were so at school! ... intelligibly! ... I would ...


      To the author: “if” is the official part of speech, a subordinate union, which adds a subordinate conditional clause as part of a complex subordinate one. Those. in other words, in the case of using this union at the beginning of the sentence, the logical construction is applied: "if - then", where after "then" comes the main part of the sentence, which forms the backbone of its semantic load. Without it, the paragraph looks docked and scanty.

      Once again, I ask you - do not be offended by me. The argumentation in the text is more than thoughtful, it is clear that they thought about the material for a long time and put a lot of effort into its creation. It is doubly offensive to see such flaws that reduce the overall quality of the article, especially since the article itself is more than timely and relevant.
      1. Tsyrendorzhiev Sambu Rabdanovich
        11 November 2020 13: 26
        +7
        Thank you very much for carefully reading our opus. I agree with the remark. I curse myself now. I wanted to edit! But at first he put it off "for later", and then decided that it would come off with mustard, tk. the meaning seems to be clear. In a word, he violated the principle of utmost respect for the reader.
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 November 2020 14: 47
          +3
          Come on, Mr. Tsyrendorzhiev, don't worry! ))) Dante is an esthete)))
          You wrote it right.
          I heard this news about the reduction of the army a little earlier, and it strained me extremely. There are several points here.

          First.
          Let's say it's just a stupid throw-in on the part of the Ministry of Finance, which will remain a throw-in, without development. Just a demonstration of professional vanity, stupid concern for a losing weight budget.
          Now imagine what it is like for the acting military, how they tensed. And instead of engaging their thoughts with current military affairs, they will ponder: "Will I get caught in the distribution?" The quality of those very current military affairs will inevitably deteriorate, the level of bitterness and mistrust in the authorities will inevitably increase, there will be a feeling of uncertainty, their own uselessness for the country, and even anger among those deprived of the prospect of settling down anywhere. That is, a mood that is extremely dangerous for the combat readiness of the army as a whole.
          Second.
          Our Belarusian neighbors have a confrontation between the authorities and some part of the people, which undermines the economy. Armenians and Azerbaijanis, again. From the western direction, the former "brothers" angrily grind their teeth in our direction and are surrounded by American weapons. And in such a turbulent environment, fraught with dangerous provocations, to fire people who own many types of firearms is what? Show that, they say, we are so strong that all these foreign moods are a mosquito bite to us? And what about the internal situation, which can sharply tense when these very 100 thousand offended, who own the same firearm in its variety of forms, join civil society?
          And then a variety of forms of competently organized - not even protest, but confrontation can turn out. When some groups of men, dismissed from military service before the term, will confront those who were not dismissed. In the context of coronavirus starvation and the global economic crisis, anything is possible.
          Did the Ministry of Finance think about this? Or is his task in organizing just this?
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 12 November 2020 08: 22
            +3
            Let's say this is just a stupid throw-in on the part of the Ministry of Finance, which will remain a throw-in, having not received development.

            I believe that this is a "maximum program" so to speak, something like the principle known in the army: "ask as much as possible to get at least something." As a result, after discussions at various levels, two or three of the most important initiatives will remain from all these initiatives, for the sake of which this information agenda was actually started. Offhand, I will assume that we are talking about increasing the length of service for the military, the further transition to outsourcing of certain categories of military specialties, and possibly exclusion from the length of service for the period of study at the university. Most likely, the contractors will not be touched, since their removal from allowances and restrictions on military mortgages will severely hit the prestige of contract service. But as a "scarecrow" these "offers" will do. As for the general reduction in the number of military personnel, it will most likely be tested again through the transfer of personnel officers and doctors to outsourcing, although the latter, in my opinion, will become the final verdict of military medicine. Personally, I do not expect a reduction in personnel units, Taburetkin has already reduced everything that is possible, the next stage is only the dissolution of the army as such, because as the author correctly noted, without the rear units, it will be nothing more than Pashinyan's amusing army.
            As for the assessment of the 3 whales of the military sequestrator I have identified, I will express the opinion of a purely civilian. It is time for the army to finally part with the illusion of its exclusiveness, that with the proper level of loyalty, the powers that be are not capable of such actions in relation to their own vassals. Remember: that we are ordinary residents, that you are the ones with shoulder straps, for them only a tool and only solidarity with each other can force the authorities to take into account our interests. , they will take on those who are in arms, but of whom are few.
            1. depressant
              depressant 12 November 2020 10: 06
              +3
              Dante, very strong. The only way to resist the beastly power is in solidarity. However, there is no solidarity. It can be, if the methods of its formation are known and understood. But there is no theory. The theory of Marxism does not work under new conditions, it is outdated. There remains a riot that we suppress. Those who do not want to be cut and will try. A surprisingly large number of tools have been found to retain power. The more of them, the fewer instruments of confrontation. The military is very sorry. They are no longer needed as a mass that rolls over the enemy in a wave - the wrong war has begun! Sometimes it seems we are all unnecessary. The further, the more clearly it appears.
  2. NDR-791
    NDR-791 11 November 2020 10: 10
    10
    But the Ministry of Finance, apparently, thinks that they know better how to ensure the military security of the country?
    Of course they know - quickly surrender and drink Bavarian
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 November 2020 11: 41
      +3
      the fish rots from the head.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 November 2020 10: 12
    0
    with a fig whether studying at a university does not go to the length of service? walks and walks. Art. 18 of the Law of the Russian Federation of February 19, 1993 No. 4468-1 "On Pension Provisions for Persons Who Did Military Service ..." (hereinafter referred to as the Law) for service (but not more than five years) at the rate of one year of study for six months of service. The procedure for calculating the length of service for the appointment of a pension to persons specified in Art. 1 of this Law is determined by the Government of the Russian Federation.
    1. BAI
      BAI 11 November 2020 10: 22
      +3
      the time of their study before their assignment to the service (but not more than five years) may also be counted at the rate of one year of study for six months of service.

      Civilians are counted in the military retirement experience only 50% of the time of study at the military department.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 November 2020 10: 42
        +1
        not everyone. Persons who studied in educational institutions of a civilian orientation, but with a military department, can also count on the enrollment of the period of study in military service, but on the condition that during the call for military service, the profession received during the training enrolled in the length of service will be taken into account.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 12 November 2020 12: 30
        0
        and civilians "do not march in formation" for all 5 years, do not live in the barracks, and they do not seem to take the oath ... for me, they do not even count 50% ... privileges for the cadet, shall we say ... a little ... then give them outfits, the barracks and the guards will be canceled ... but why if he is not a serviceman?
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 11 November 2020 10: 26
      +7
      with a fig whether studying at a university does not go to the length of service? walks and walks.

      Now it's coming. The project will not go if the proposals of the Ministry of Finance are implemented.
      Afghan war veterans, who were promised a 1-to-3 retirement experience, are now learning that no one counts them anything. They are retiring on a regular basis.
      There is a suspicion that conscripts who fought in Chechnya will be deceived in the same way. They, too, were promised their service life to be retired 1 to 3.
      In Ukraine, by the way, the government fulfills its obligations towards the veterans of the war in Afghanistan, and they retire earlier.
      That's it......... request
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 November 2020 10: 40
        +1
        The Ministry of Finance does its job as in any country, it cuts everything it can. here the point is how the MO will fight for its money. politics. and MO should always do this. The Ministry of Finance does its job and the Ministry of Defense must do its own thing.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 November 2020 15: 25
          0
          The Ministry of Finance does its job as in any country, it cuts everything it can.

          I agree. Everyone does their job, and it strains the fact that all ministries are working in this direction. I don’t remember recently that someone suggested spending money on people. Always only optimizations and reductions.
  4. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 11 November 2020 10: 14
    18
    So maybe, as the unforgettable M.M. Zhvanetsky said, something needs to be corrected at the conservatory?

    Figures from the Ministry of Finance need to be corrected ... up to the neck am
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 11 November 2020 10: 16
    +5
    from a purely civilian: The army must be combat-ready, intelligence and counterintelligence must know everything, supplies must be sufficient "+", law and order must be respected. Who does not fit in and / or does not cope - that for the state. And let the government and the deputies save on themselves.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 November 2020 10: 21
      +5
      In our opinion, no one (except neoliberals) could have thought of this.
      The Stouretkin case is flourishing and flourishing!
  6. prior
    prior 11 November 2020 10: 18
    +4
    "Even in the church it's not like that
    It's not like that guys .... "


    The more "thinking" heads - the more useless thoughts.
    And as a result, it will be like with medicine ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 November 2020 10: 36
      +2
      And at the same time before my eyes a freshly glaring example - Pashinyan Sorosyatsky. You can't find any closer "kindred souls" with our liberals. But he was obsessed with the army in the same way as these (in another word to call nizzza, they will be banned). Did everyone see the result? Or did someone misunderstand something?
  7. marchcat
    marchcat 11 November 2020 10: 20
    +4
    The pension was reformed, but to the point that for the budget, that for pensioners (one thousand), ZERO !!! Why do we need such a Ministry of Finance, and comrade VVP, can you tell me ???
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 11 November 2020 11: 57
      +3
      Once upon a time, he was very busy laying straw for his beloved.
  8. Varyag71
    Varyag71 11 November 2020 10: 25
    0
    Army and people are one! And what did they think, in civilian life they raised their age, and a bunch of idlers will still wipe their pants? Nooo guys, it won't work.
  9. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 11 November 2020 10: 28
    +4
    It is correct to say not liberals, but traitors in power. Things need to be called by their proper names.
  10. BAI
    BAI 11 November 2020 10: 29
    +6
    took on doctors, personnel officers, etc.

    1. Doctors must be distinguished - polyclinics, which are absolutely no different from civilians and hospitals - people die there while performing combat missions (as in Syria).
    2. Personnel officers are absolutely the right decision. In our personnel department there were only aunts, the chief was a lieutenant colonel. They carried out some kind of reform: the same aunts put on shoulder straps, instantly grew from lieutenants to majors with all benefits and payments, the head of the department became a colonel. Nothing has changed in the work of the HR department. The same can be said about financiers and planners.
    If the unit is located in the settlement "city" - all rear positions must be civil. If the devil has on his horns - the military (and maybe also civilians, so that there is somewhere to employ the officers' wives).
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 11 November 2020 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      ... Doctors must be distinguished - clinics, which are absolutely no different from civilians

      from a purely civilian: for pensioners, you can be civilians, certified doctors should definitely deal with employees. Information from military hospitals should not be available in the Unified State Information System
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 12 November 2020 12: 32
        -1
        not to mention, for example, the head of the nuclear submarine ..
    2. Bronekot
      Bronekot 11 November 2020 14: 07
      0
      The army is kept to conduct hostilities wherever it is ordered, and not depending on the PPD. And in your opinion, part of the devil on his feet is combat-ready. And in the city it is not combat-ready
  11. Woodman
    Woodman 11 November 2020 10: 32
    0
    The discussed project of reforming the Armed Forces and military service in the Russian Federation not only aroused keen interest, but made us understand the true motives

    The key word is "discussed".
    Here's what they write about it without emotion:
    For now, it is worth keeping in mind - the media publish openly planned "leaks" from the government.
    .
    Most likely, one of their main goals is to test the reaction of everyone who is affected by these projects of reform of the security forces. At the moment, there is no question of any real bills on reforming either the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the army.
    The Ministry of Finance was given a specific task - to find what can be saved on in order to reduce such large sections of the country's budget as financing the army and law enforcement agencies. Economists have fulfilled this task, and which of the proposed points to accept, and which to refuse - will be decided by the country's political leadership.
    .
    It is possible that while this will be deemed inappropriate, but at least the reaction of the military and their family members will be carefully studied. And everyone interested should watch the appearance of real bills - without the adoption of special laws, key reform proposals cannot be implemented.
  12. awdrgy
    awdrgy 11 November 2020 10: 38
    +7
    Right. Why do the colonies need an army? Rosgvardia is bigger and normal
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 11: 08
      +5
      Yes ... enough Aboriginal police force ..
  13. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 11 November 2020 10: 43
    +2
    But the Ministry of Finance, apparently, thinks that they know better how to ensure the military security of the country?

    In the West, as Margapet Thatcher once said, Russia is considered the Upper Volta with missiles. The liberal pro-Western clamor that has settled in power is obviously trying to make Russia Upper Volta without missiles!
  14. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 11 November 2020 10: 43
    +2
    When the civilians raised the retirement age, the security forces kept silent, they thought they wouldn’t touch them. Now the civilians will gloat! And raise their seniority and study in Wu, they will not be counted and cut off by 100 thousand. will not be! and the May decrees, and 25 million jobs? all this is there! or will there be agents of the State Department who do not believe the guarantor ??
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 11 November 2020 14: 54
      +1
      The difference is especially felt when he served, and then in civilian life. And you understand that life in civilian life is much more difficult.
  15. loser
    loser 11 November 2020 10: 46
    -2
    Everything is like about the pension reform, - ringing to the pain in the ears, new from which means no one knows yet. Yeah. L-yud-i-i, read[b]: Discussed project [/ b] - exactly so, and not otherwise. wink
  16. Aag
    Aag 11 November 2020 10: 49
    +1
    By the way, today is the Day of the military pensioner! All those involved with the holiday! Health, and vigor, will be needed in any situation ... hi
  17. Boris55
    Boris55 11 November 2020 11: 03
    0
    "We do not plan any reduction or increase of any terms... These are all discussions between government departments. When making final decisions, I will, of course, proceed from the situation in the real economy, from the situation related to the income of citizens. "

    Video link: https://vk.com/video-156264903_456252969
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 11 November 2020 12: 26
      -1
      laughing There is not enough stamp, declared to believe, In addition, he contradicts himself in your quote, so again sculpt a hunchback Boris. yes
  18. Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 11 November 2020 11: 07
    +3
    Everything is logical, payment for tacit support of GDP
  19. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 11: 07
    +2
    laughing Dreams go wild ... One day Russia will be left without an army ..
  20. Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 November 2020 11: 15
    +1
    Interrogate with passion. Who do you work for ...?
  21. Free wind
    Free wind 11 November 2020 11: 50
    +3
    Maybe it's enough to whine about your unfortunate military fate. Do you even know how our people live? Let's take a look and compare. A future soldier studying at a higher educational institution receives 30000 rubles a month, a student at a regular university receives horseradish. The future military man is fully provided with food. clothes. housing. The student himself finds. After graduation, the military is provided with no housing, student, but you spend the night in the gateway. At work, a student is afraid of getting sick, sick leave 25 percent of earnings for the first 2 years, 75 after 7 years of work experience, 100% of the military. A military man, having got to Kamchatka in 3-5 years, will be transferred from there to another place free of charge, and a civilian will die there. The student of the university, even in the length of service, was never counted the time of study. My grandfather, who survived the 1st world, civil war, having served in the border troops for 5 years, at the front for 5 years, 3 wounds, holder of three orders and medals. The first pension I do not know for sure, within 70 rubles. He retired at 60 and did not complain.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 11 November 2020 14: 59
      +3
      So they whine all the time. Most of them can do just that.
  22. Sanya Terek
    Sanya Terek 11 November 2020 11: 55
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    ... If the unit is located in the settlement "city" - all rear positions must be civil. If the devil has on his horns - the military (and maybe also civilians, so that there is somewhere to employ the officers' wives).

    And in the cities of Grozny, Buinaksk and others like them, too, make all rear posts civil? Already tried, the outsourcing idea was a failure.
    A military physician, he remains a military man in a military clinic and is obliged to depart to fulfill his duties at the first order. Will the civilian doctor have to do the same?
  23. Alexfly
    Alexfly 11 November 2020 12: 23
    -1
    Probably, it is necessary to cut the expenses of the Ministry of Finance itself, as well as customs, tax, etc., otherwise they have bought real estate for themselves for public money and will not get enough ...
  24. pereselenec
    pereselenec 11 November 2020 12: 44
    0
    that is, an officer will have to serve for 30 years before retirement


    Some have to work for 47 years before retirement, so it’s not so bad.
  25. ALARI
    ALARI 11 November 2020 15: 04
    +4
    After this summer I talked with one military pensioner in the hospital (the damned virus caught a robust one) I fully support the initiative so that they, too, receive a pension only after 65 years. This 57-year-old pensioner began to rub in the ward that increasing the retirement age is a blessing. And after seeing that we do not support him, to put it mildly (we tried to speak without swearing), he called us agents of the State Department. Tell me, does military service really affect the brain?
  26. faterdom
    faterdom 11 November 2020 16: 38
    0
    10% reduction in the personnel of the Armed Forces.

    It was already like that. The ancient Latins (not Latinos!) Had a practice of decimation, which was applied to citizens who fled from the battlefield.
    Less is better! (V.I. Lenin)
    Indeed, it often got better, fighting spirit combined with discipline began to work wonders! Centuries of victories and triumphs began.
    So the medicine is good.
    Only now our army ran nowhere and from anyone, defeatists in our financial and economic bloc, apologists for "negative growth" and seekers of the "bottom", where there is J-I Cousteau!
    So maybe this medicine is decimation, once a quarter applied to the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economic Development, and the Pension Fund?
    I would try ...
  27. faterdom
    faterdom 11 November 2020 16: 41
    -3
    Quote: Free Wind
    Maybe it's enough to whine about your unfortunate military fate.

    You have a direct path to the Pashinyan Maidaners. While some fought and died, others are always ready to give them their strict assessment. And also jumping, shouting and breaking chairs. You don't even need to study for this. Neither a military university, nor a civilian.
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 12 November 2020 08: 30
      +1
      Another example is ethnically closer to it: when the former Ukrainian military of Donbass skidded with refugees in the direction of Rostov, ordinary miners and industrial climbers took up the weapons left by the "professionals" and defended their land.
  28. Rostislav
    Rostislav 12 November 2020 10: 28
    0
    Quote: Shiva83483
    And this, that is, the mind at least was among the "neoliberals"?

    This proposal of the Ministry of Finance is not stupidity, it is a concrete sabotage.
    No matter what they say in the kitchens, at this level of power there are no diots. Holy thief and thief comes across often, but there are no fools there, sir. They don't survive in that shit.
  29. the Saint
    the Saint 12 November 2020 12: 00
    -1
    The project is good, but the coverage is insufficient. Considering that our oil and gas, as it turned out, are not at all precious and are not particularly needed by anyone. And the talented and non-drinking endangered Russian people are of no interest to anyone as an object of enslavement.
    That is, defense spending and the number of security officials are clearly incommensurate with the degree of danger of an external attack in order to seize our wealth and are excessive.
    And to keep the proud Great Russians in obedience, the riot police and the Russian Guard will be enough.
  30. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 12 November 2020 12: 26
    0
    In general, it is necessary to raise the question of the professional suitability of officials of the Ministry of Economy, to begin with, remove their seniority, reduce salaries to a living wage, cut staff, take away apartments, cars, dachas, bills, and prohibit dismissals, sick leave.
  31. Nikza
    Nikza 13 November 2020 13: 13
    +1
    Yeah ... Now they have already begun to work on the warriors :-)) And then the warriors, as it were, indifferently watched how the shpakov were rolled into a thin pancake. So sympathetically "tsy-tsy-tsy" and nodding his head, again sympathetically. Feegley, white bone, blue blood, "we serve." And that's how it is. And "crying Yaroslavna" in the comments.
    Well, the author of course hung it up :-))
    "And under the conditions of the economic crisis and pandemic, it is unlikely that work will be found quickly (in a month or two)." There are vacancies "for food" from "dawn to dusk", 12-14 hours. And there is still a queue. You can see the vacancies on the headhater yourself. Or is it implied that employers will kick out their workers and hire 100 ex-fighters? Oh well.
    "It is necessary to pay unemployment benefits, organize and pay for retraining and training in new specialties." (C) - very funny, very :-))) Nobody will organize anything. They will give directions to work the streets to sweep for 15, and the allowance does not need to be paid, by the way.
    "And before they reach the level of income before dismissal, a lot of time will pass." (C) - EVERYTHING, I'm under the table :-))) Abbreviations all around. Salaries are being cut. How ? Easily. They will do the work 3 times a week and the salary, respectively, doubled. They left me like that in the summer. First, the salary was cut, then the department was closed altogether. No, not fired. It is expensive. Transferred to another. It takes 2 hours to get there and 2 hours back. For 23 rubles. Moscow, if that.
    It seems that this is always the case in Rashka. They watch how they cut a neighbor, they say "they will not touch us." And then surprise when people come for them.
  32. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 13 November 2020 16: 29
    -1
    And if you do not, it will be like we did in the 90s: mindless, inhuman, “killing” the army. And with her - a whole generation of professional defenders of the fatherland (when they simply did not pay either the dismissed or those still in the service, funds were not allocated either to preserve the housing and barracks stock, or to ensure the combat readiness of weapons and military equipment). And all this is just under the slogans of reforming the RF Armed Forces.

    Here I agree with the author completely! good
    The most competent officers who understood how and how they would make money in civilian life left the Navy and the Army! The materiel was destroyed by illiteracy and "hammering" in the observance of maintenance regulations (lack of repairs, spare parts, loss of production, due to the "foreign" manufacturers)!
    All this now comes back with huge costs to restore what was lost in the 90s! It is no secret that 80% of the time the Armed Forces should spend on BP in the conditions of training grounds, developing skills, training and retraining for new weapons, on the effectiveness of its use in changing conditions, developing new tactics and TTZ for the defense industry for the necessary upgrades and new weapons corresponding current challenges!
    And with our "liberals" and "neoliberals" it is time to decide who they serve!
  33. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 November 2020 15: 48
    -2
    That is why our economy is in a mess, and they still climb the Ministry of Defense to lead. Apparently the IMF gave instructions to test the waters for the future.
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  36. Radikal
    Radikal 16 November 2020 22: 21
    +1
    Quote: ZEMCH
    And if you do not, it will be like we did in the 90s: mindless, inhuman, “killing” the army. And with her - a whole generation of professional defenders of the fatherland (when they simply did not pay either the dismissed or those still in the service, funds were not allocated either to preserve the housing and barracks stock, or to ensure the combat readiness of weapons and military equipment). And all this is just under the slogans of reforming the RF Armed Forces.

    Here I agree with the author completely! good
    The most competent officers who understood how and how they would make money in civilian life left the Navy and the Army! The materiel was destroyed by illiteracy and "hammering" in the observance of maintenance regulations (lack of repairs, spare parts, loss of production, due to the "foreign" manufacturers)!
    All this now comes back with huge costs to restore what was lost in the 90s! It is no secret that 80% of the time the Armed Forces should spend on BP in the conditions of training grounds, developing skills, training and retraining for new weapons, on the effectiveness of its use in changing conditions, developing new tactics and TTZ for the defense industry for the necessary upgrades and new weapons corresponding current challenges!
    And with our "liberals" and "neoliberals" it is time to decide who they serve!

    How to whom? belay To the main ... "liberal", the one who, in the opinion of some members of the forum, allegedly "saved" the country after the 90s, "raised" from his knees, "the Khazars with the Pechenegs" won, and protcha, protcha, protcha .... lol hi