"Russia has shown its true face": foreign press on the conclusion of peace in Karabakh

Turkish and Azerbaijani media write about the "surrender of Armenia." The regions that are already under the control of Baku are under its full jurisdiction. Agdam, Lachin, Kelbajar return to Azerbaijan within 20 days. Other locations of Artsakh (Stepanakert, Khojaly, Khojavend) are taken under the control of Russian peacekeepers for at least five years, while being legally part of Azerbaijan and acting as a kind of "cultural autonomy". Armenian troops leave Karabakh completely.

This is a victory for Azerbaijan! And this is a victory for Turkey! Since the victory of Azerbaijan is ours too!

- writes the Voice of Turkey edition.

Formally, Armenians can return to their places of residence in Artsakh. However, as some publications from Azerbaijan and Turkey explain, in areas where there will be no peacekeepers from the Russian Federation, there will be no one to protect them.

Many Armenian resources point to the betrayal of the country's interests by the head of the Cabinet:

Nikol Pashinyan signed a shameful surrender, preventing the army from fighting [...] Nikol Pashinyan has just automatically lost his legitimacy. He is no longer the legitimate Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia

- writes the Armenian Military Portal resource, indicating that 40 thousand soldiers of the Armenian army itself did not leave their barracks.

Against this background, Russian troops are rapidly entering the territory of Karabakh. Events began to develop in haste almost immediately after the accidental defeat of the Mi-24 rotorcraft from the Azerbaijani MANPADS and the subsequent ceasefire. Western publications immediately drew attention to the possible consequences of the death of the helicopter:

Russia is the only power believed to be able to end this conflict, given its ties to and influence on both [warring parties] [...] Perhaps this latest incident will give Russia a boost

- notes Forbes.

The Greek press, which has traditionally supported Armenia in its confrontation with Turkey, made headlines against Moscow:

Today one of the "blackest" pages in stories Armenia. Yerevan accepted Erdogan's conditions, and Russia once again showed its true face

- the resource Pentapostagma burst out with criticism.

Against this background, the Turkish media call the situational rapprochement of Greece, Armenia and Cyprus "an alliance of losers" who have failed to retain a number of territories. Apparently, it is easier to blame the Kremlin for all the troubles than to admit your own impotence.

Comments

[NTD]

And why not one bastard does not say that IF RUSSIA WOULD BE ATTACK FROM THE FIRST DAYS, again write shows the face of the aggressor.
And when it respects their own UN law, does Russia show its face again?
Western politicians and the entire Western world, this is one big falsehood. A HYCEMER ON A HYCEMER.

I don’t know about everyone, personally I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there. Excellent. I have said 10000 times that without Russia in the Petrovsky project no one is allowed to do anything. Dad is Russia.

[horus88]

We will never hear the truth in the west. Whatever the Russian Federation does, we will always be to blame for everything that is not good in the world.
And you, Azerbaijanis, with a victory

[NTD]

Quote: horus88

And you, Azerbaijanis, with a victory

Thank you very much. And you will forgive the mistake with the helicopter. From now on they will be more attentive! And our deepest condolences to the families. They died (((((((

[Oleg Bykov]

Yes, accidents happen. You too, be more careful ...

[hrych]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

be careful ...

The main thing that deserves attention in this topic is the ROAD to Nakhichevan from Russia. It will break the blockade in Armenia, it will break the blockade in Nakhichevan. Russian Railways rules By the way, this great deed will not be limited to Nakhichevan. The branch will connect the Russian Federation and Iran by the nearest dry route. Everyone, including Armenians, will be happy

[Cosm22]

Are you confusing anything?
Actually, by agreement, it was Azerbaijan that received control over communications to Nakhichevan. By a strange whim of fate, Russian peacekeepers pledged to protect it.
So, from any point of view, this is a strategic gain for Azerbaijan. But only.

[vVvAD]

Tell me, where do these conclusions come from? According to the text:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2020/5fa9c09c9a79471813bed754?from=from_main_4

11. All economic and transport links in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia provides transport links between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unimpeded movement of citizens, vehicles and goods in both directions. Control over transport communication is carried out by the bodies of the Border Service of the FSB of Russia.

By agreement of the Parties, construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured. "

[vVvAD]

And by the way, the treaty is four-sided. Accordingly, only with its signing, Armenia, squeezed between Azerbaijan, Turkey and incapable of negotiating Georgia, can get out of the economic blockade and finally begin to trade normally with its neighbors and develop independently, be able to gain access to the Russian market, and Russia can increase trade with Iran. The pill is bitter, but in this situation it is the only compromise that more or less suits everyone.
Alternative: the Armenians would have stood in NKR, they would have existed no better (blockade), counted on Russia's help and cursed for insufficient help. Do we need it? And what about them (if you think hard and soberly)? All the same, we would not have defended it on our own, we are not destroying international law, as the United States has lately, but we observe ourselves and, if possible, motivate others to comply. And it is on the side of Azerbaijan on 100% of the territory of the NKAO, and here is a compromise taking into account the settlement of a part of its territory by Armenians who hate Azerbaijanis.
The massacre was averted, it is clear that the Armenians will not want to return to the territories, control of which Azerbaijan has returned - a matter of mistrust, or rather hatred. Therefore, they will be completely populated by Azerbaijanis - they will not waste time. But not the largest percentage of the population of the NKR itself left their homes.
What else does? Not an inch of native land? So bravery and valiant daring are not shown under parliament, but in battle. Don't you want to lay down your life for your native land? What kind of dear is she then? The Azerbaijanis thought of everything in such a way that both their losses and civilian losses (by the Armenians, by the way), made a compromise, making it possible to at least partially save the face of the Armenian authorities. And they did not begin to arrange a "clean field" in Georgian. Collusion? Certainly. But it was forced due to Armenia's inability to negotiate and - a compromise, taking into account the Armenian population of NKAO. Aliyev may be a prince, but he should not be denied political foresight and instinct.
Politics is the art of the possible. And war is the continuation of politics by other means. It is an absolute evil, if not a lesser evil - just that case, because over time it can lead to a stable peace.
Our interest is a minimum of blood, no mass deportations and sustainable peace in the region. Dot.

[t-12]

incapacitated Georgia Armenia can get out of the economic blockade and finally start to trade normally

Armenia has long had an agreement with Georgia on transit, road and rail (to Batumi and Poti)

[Igor Semenov]

And by the way, the agreement is four-sided.

I'm embarrassed to ask who is the 4th side ? And this is not a contract, but an agreement. Experience the difference

[KKND]

Hi hrych! As you predicted, the Armenians won. The Highlanders overpowered the sons of the plain and the drones were ineffective against single soldiers. Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

[hrych]

Quote: KKND

As you predicted, the Armenians won.

Yes, we won. Strange as it may sound. The NKR defended its independence and now it is equal to the Russian peacekeepers. The Armenians thwarted the blitzkrieg and forced Aliyev to go to peace. Or not? There is no unconditional surrender. There is an honorable world. And the Armenians conquered this honorable world in battle. Yes, we lost Pashinyan. It happens.

[KKND]

Quote: hrych

Yes, we won. Strange as it may sound. The NKR defended its independence and now it is equal to the Russian peacekeepers.

Well, yes, only a small piece of territory was chopped off together with the strategically important Shusha, but independence is now expensive.

Quote: hrych

The Armenians thwarted the blitzkrieg and forced Aliyev to go to peace. Or not?

These mountains were not Armenians.

Quote: hrych

Yes, we lost Pashinyan. It happens.

Sadness, misfortune, but maybe he will remain in power for a while. I’m not joking, I don’t really understand, but in fact he is a signer of an agreement with Moscow and Azerbaijan, though very doubtful. HZ here is shorter what will happen to him. Everything can be very incredible with him. Although they will most likely be removed ..

[hrych]

Quote: KKND

Although they will most likely be removed ..

This is unambiguous. The Armed Forces of Armenia never entered the war. It was the NKR fighter who defended Karabakh, and I will repeat myself. And when Armenia was already forced to enter the war directly ... Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh to Russia. Aliyev agreed and put on the laurels of the winner. and in fact, even the Minsk Group did not reach an agreement. A dubious victory. But with Nakhichevan, yes. This is his great achievement. From under Erdogan's nose, take back control.

[Mariana Poladashvili]

It was not he who stole Erdogan from under his nose, but Putin decided so.

[Bobik012]

The detachment did not notice the loss of a soldier ... :-)

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: hrych

won

You already look not just ridiculous, with your victories in any of the outcomes, you will soon surpass the xoxlovs with their powers.
Russia suffered a geopolitical defeat and lost its position in the Transcaucasus. Having previously been the masters of the situation there, we managed to be there on the bird's side, guarding the war trophies of Azerbaijan, as long as he and Turkey wanted it (in five years we will be officially asked from there if our production does not suit the Turks). The Turks, however, seriously registered their troops on the land, which not so long ago was ours (literally ours).
And we were so eager to sign this shameful piece of paper that once again we actually spat on our soldiers killed in the back by the Turks and / or their allies.
The fact that bots like you immediately began to drown you for "victory" perfectly shows who you are for Russia.

[hrych]

Where do you come from?

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Being previously there masters of the situation

When were you in control of the situation there? After the collapse of the Union? Maybe after "Khasavyurt"? We did not control our North Caucasus. And if not quite a chicken memory and was already born then, then I must remember that Putin began with the destruction of Ichkeria. So, we began to control a part of the Transcaucasia (but the ridge itself) in general only by tearing off Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008, having received bridgeheads. Was the regime of Kocharian and Sargsyan supported by us? They received loot and free weapons by selling the same weapons to Azerbaijan. So the remnants of this weapon gave the people of Karabakh a month to hold out, although Armenia never entered the war, preferring to give Karabakh under our control. Were they the masters under Pashinyan when the demonstrators demanded to remove our base and yelled at the rallies about the occupiers? When did Russian schools close? Maybe when May 9 Holiday was canceled in Armenia? In short, is everything clear with you? Better not even say the word "geopolitics". It's not yours.

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

And this shameful piece of paper ... killed in the back by the Turks ... our soldiers.

Did you come up with a beautiful phrase? Well done. What do you want? Teach the President and our General Staff strategy and tactics. Maybe geopolitics, in which you do not teach boom-boom? Do you know better from the sofa? Now listen, you can record. In fact, the outcome of this war was the fall of the anti-Russian regime in Armenia, the threat of withdrawal of our base in Gyumri was removed, the Armenians, as residents, retained most of Karabakh, our base will appear in Stepanokert, and not Armenia, not Azerbaijan, but Russia will command there. Ferstein? Ours will control the road from Armenia to Karabakh. The road from Russia to Armenia, through Azerbaijan, and through Armenia to Nakhichevan will be controlled by the Russian FSB. So it is written directly in the Agreement. And where is the defeat? The Russian Federation took all the best and most important. Now the troops of the NKR Armed Forces, and these are tens of thousands of fighters who have held back the onslaught of a hundred thousandth grouping for more than a month, will be controlled not by Armenia, but by Russia. The "brothers" of the Turks were NOT included in the contract AT ALL. Aliyev said ardent thanks to them and even let out a tear. But in the contract he did not mention AT ALL That's it, there is nothing more to talk about with you, even if you don't see and understand such elementary things. Sorrows about sintered polymers and beyond. We have a democracy, I do not mind

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: hrych

When were you in control of the situation there?

Not me, but Russia. Then, when one side needed protection, and the other - our non-intervention in case of something.

Quote: hrych

We did not control our North Caucasus.

And even in those absurd times, Turkey in particular and NATO in general did not dare to officially claim a permanent presence in both regions. They could not demand that we reckon with them there. But Vova succeeded in something that even EBN did not achieve. With which I congratulate us. This is still Transcaucasia, but the story continues.

Quote: hrych

not Armenia, not Azerbaijan, but Russia will be in command there.

Provided that any of the named parties can ask us from there without giving reasons?

Quote: hrych

you don't see basic things

I will say more. No one sees the absurd pictures from your imagination but you. Perhaps, if you turn to good doctors, then you yourself will stop seeing them. Although, judging by what you are carrying, something in your skull has already rotted so much that the process has ceased to be reversible

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

the process has ceased to be reversible

They say that even potency depends on the state of the brain. So don't delay it. If, of course, you have something left to lose in this regard

[hrych]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

the process has ceased to be reversible

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

They say that even potency depends on the state of the brain. So don't delay it. If, of course, you have something left to lose in this regard

He blurted out himself, commented on himself. Split personality on the face. The diagnosis is relentless. And apparently shameful problems. Write more. Porzhem

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: hrych

commented myself

It was too late to correct my previous post. And the topic is serious.
Have you made up your mind? Then visit the doctor.

[hrych]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Provided that any of the named parties can ask us from there without giving reasons?

Forget about Armenia. There is no her. They lost their Karabakh.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: hrych

No her

In this case, even those who, according to you, do not seem to be able to show us the door. However, we have a strong position today. Whatever one may say, but we ourselves signed this shameful piece of paper.

[NTD]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

Yes, accidents happen. You too, be more careful ...

I have no words ............ no matter what I say, the life of the guys cannot be returned. This scrap from MANPADS will have to be tried and punished! Required. There are simply questions, but the relevant authorities will deal with this.

[Skarpzd]

Are you really so naive and believe that someone took MANPADS from the warehouse, and, out of the simplicity of his heart, fired somewhere, accidentally hitting a Russian turntable? Have you heard anything about the procedure for storing and using MANPADS? the army did not serve it clearly.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Skarpzd

Are you really so naive and believe that someone took MANPADS from the warehouse, and, out of the simplicity of his heart, fired somewhere, accidentally hitting a Russian turntable? Have you heard anything about the procedure for storing and using MANPADS? the army did not serve it clearly.

Of course, weapons during the conduct of hostilities are stored only in warehouses and are issued individually only by multiple agreements. Don't you find it funny?

[Skarpzd]

in this region, the hostilities did not work, and I do not believe that all the units there, going out into the outfit, carry MANPADS with them.

[Past the crocodile]

Quote: Skarpzd

so naive

.
Man with nickname NTD (Milli Tehlukesizlik Nezirliyi - Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan) is not naive by definition. Can be cunning too much.

[Rubina]

It has long been disbanded into two services - internal and external

[Past the crocodile]

Well, I don’t minus you, I don’t want to be like you. As for the internal and external, the essence of provocateurs is the same.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

Yes, accidents happen. You too, be more careful ...

Your words, to God’s ears.
Unfortunately, our rulers will not have enough will for ... chance ...

[Hypertension]

Quote: Oleg Bykov

Yes, accidents happen.

Some kind of non-accidental accident ... As if this "accident" was not spelled out in a certain scenario ... In the video, where a helicopter is shot down, something too large a crowd yells. They knew, they waited, they hit, they yelled. And then there are peacemakers. And that, without casualties from the Russian Armed Forces, it was impossible to conclude a truce? Obviously, it was possible.

[Gunter prereen]

"Accidents are not accidental" - said Oogway. The perpetrators must be accused of terrorism and extradited to Russia.

[Dmitriy66]

how do you write something differently here, in another branch you are more aggressive, confused the manual?

[NTD]

Quote: Dmitriy66

how do you write something differently here, in another branch you are more aggressive, confused the manual?

Dima, I always write fairly. Yes, I'm not very emotional, but I never liked deception. And if someone offended or hurt, goodbye friends.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: MTN

And if someone offended or hurt, goodbye friends.

What, for good ???? Leave the whole team?

[72jora72]

And if someone offended or hurt, goodbye friends.

Won't you even stay for tea? (C)

[gurzuf]

I suspect that the team is working under this nickname. That's why on different branches - different thoughts.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: gurzuf

I suspect that the team is working under this nickname.

Yes, something too zealously plowing on Russian sites in recent days? And I must say successfully. How many "plus signs" have you typed? Russians are not vindictive, they will forgive everything.

[Skarpzd]

you may be right. in the comments the style and expressions are very different. I think this nickname will disappear soon.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: gurzuf

the team is working under this nickname

Also such a thought crept in!

[vVvAD]

I disagree. Written by a Soviet, Azerbaijani, a patriot of his country, at least a past Soviet army, and probably retired / retired. The picture of the world is complete: the USSR is not, the homeland is Azerbaijan, Turkey is a friend, Russia is an arbiter as the strongest and negotiable party in the region. At the same time, for closer ties with Turkey and Russia and, possibly, with Iran and Armenia - but after the return of the maximum territories (which is understandable, based on the worldview).
Well, where do you see the contradiction here? And emotions - everyone has them.

[Skarpzd]

could agree with your conclusions. everything spoils the registration time.

[vVvAD]

I didn't immediately catch up with whom I was talking about ... perhaps nothing is impossible.

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

No, for the "mistake" you have to pay $ 1 million to the families of the victims + the wounded man and the helicopter. I understand when I ... may. No other way

[zadorin1974]

And what is a million for a wife without a husband? For children without a father? And how much has the state invested in training a BATTLE PILOT? Why voice this now? Be simpler. Slogans are already off scale.

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

it is necessary, let them pay to be discouraged and avoid the 10th road. not the first time so. for a family, of course, a father is needed without any money

[zadorin1974]

OUR STATE is obliged to pay. Since it sent a military man there and is obliged to bear social responsibility. And let the Ministry of Defense and the president decide everything else.

[Alexander Sosnitsky]

Everything is correct from all sides, the amounts must be limited. It is necessary to beat first and on the spot, delay is a loss. All who have exceeded the law outside the law, there is no law - to the maximum. The value of each person is priceless. But for all this you need to have brains and real information. Do not swallow snot more than once

[BecmepH]

Quote: MTN

And you will forgive the mistake with the helicopter. From now on they will be more attentive! And our deepest condolences to families

I don't believe this is a mistake. Do you think relatives will forgive?
Would you forgive? NO! Then why are you pouring oil? ((

[bk316]

I don't believe this is a mistake.

Well, if not a mistake, then a provocation.
The question immediately arises who benefits.
Will you answer yourself?
In general, there are much more mistakes in the world than provocations ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: bk316

I don't believe this is a mistake.

Well, if not a mistake, then a provocation.
The question immediately arises who benefits.
Will you answer yourself?
In general, there are much more mistakes in the world than provocations ...

Azerbaijan has already admitted that it shot down a Russian helicopter by mistake, Baku is ready to pay compensation to Moscow. RIA Novosti writes about this with reference to the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the republic.

The mistake in Baku was explained by the fact that the helicopter flew in close proximity to the Armenian-Azerbaijani border during the ongoing clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Those. he didn't even cross the border. According to some reports, he was 150 km from the border! Mistake?

[bk316]

According to some reports, he was 150 km from the border!

What kind of MANPADS is shooting at 150 km?

Mistake?

A spinner is going over the territory of the enemy (Armenia), over the neighboring gorge.
Do you think it is easy to determine that she is Russian and not Armenian?
So yes, with a high probability, it is a mistake in the sense that it was mistaken for Armenian.

[BecmepH]

Quote: bk316

What kind of MANPADS is shooting at 150 km?

Is there evidence that MANPADS were shot down?

[bk316]

Is there evidence that MANPADS were shot down?

No one denies .... And launches of something more serious are visible from afar, and it is hard to shoot down a turntable from the S-300.

[PROVINCIAL]

Donbass-Boeing. Syria - Dry. NG-MI 24. And all on the eve of important decisions. Well, not so much VO readers and other "interested" ones are stupid. Now the Azerbaijani side simply needs to find the person who gave the order and the executor, so as not to "lose face", although I think they will not be found. Alive.

[iouris]

Quote: horus88

And you, Azerbaijanis, with a victory

Well then, congratulate the Turks too: two countries - one people, two people - one country.
The victory of the Azerbaijanis could easily turn into a new war or the overthrow of Aliyev.

[horus88]

It will be as it will be, I do not worry too much about them. If the Armenians had won, I would have congratulated them.

[NTD]

Quote: iouris

Well then, congratulate the Turks too:

Yes, the role of Turkey is not small. However, both Russia and Israel have not a small share in this victory. Yes, with the Turks, we are one people and 2 states, and with Russia more than 100 years of life in one house. Moreover, the weapons.

Quote: iouris

The victory of the Azerbaijanis could easily turn into a new war or the overthrow of Aliyev.

Nobody will overthrow Aliyev, but there may be a new war. I have never believed in the peacefulness of the Armenians.

[iouris]

Quote: MTN

Aliyev will not be overthrown

Just remember what I said.

[Azimuth]

This one is not over yet. Pashinyan will now be thrown off and all the papers he signed will be declared invalid, and? The Armenians did not come out, and we will not shoot at them, and we have already entered, the only military ally Turkey with us will not go into direct conflict. Everything is being settled there for 30 years, you will listen to the saying that the Armenians of non-traditional orientation will not listen to us for a long time ...
What will you do?

... and Aliyev will fly to tar tarars.

[72jora72]

Yes, we are one people with the Turks

Do not write nonsense. You are more likely to be one people with the Iranians, both by genotype and by religion.

[vladimirvn]

The Armenians will arrange provocations and shoot ours in the back. Mark my word. They are now angry at everyone and everything.
The Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Armenia stated that the war in Nagorno-Karabakh "did not end fully." RIA Novosti reports.

[Vadim237]

They will shoot ours in the back - they will receive in response sickly svizdyulins after which there will be no one to shoot.

[Petro_tut]

They will shoot ours in the back - they will receive sickly svizdyulins in response after

Have already received in the form of an apology from the Foreign Ministry of Arzeibajan,
And the same will be in the past

[x.andvlad]

Yes, it will take a long time to calm down the Armenians. And it is not known in whose direction they will now unfold. And at the expense of Turkey - everything is natural. Here it is a multipolar world, including near our borders. In order to prevent the appearance of Turkey in this region, it was necessary to somehow resolve this conflict in 25 years without her. But Russia, apparently, was not up to it.

[Ascold1901]

"... it was necessary to somehow resolve this conflict in 25 years ..." - The Russian Empire solved this issue in the only correct way. It cannot be solved otherwise in a hundred years.

[Skarpzd]

why is it unknown? Armenians are quite deliberately turned towards the West. the fact that they are in the CSTO does not mean anything at all.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: x.andvlad

Yes, it will take a long time to calm down the Armenians. And it is not known in whose direction they will now unfold.

Towards the USA.

And at the expense of Turkey - everything is natural. Here it is a multipolar world, including near our borders. In order to prevent the appearance of Turkey in this region, it was necessary to somehow resolve this conflict in 25 years without her. But Russia, apparently, was not up to it.

And why should the Russian Federation solve this conflict for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis?

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Lara Croft

And why should the Russian Federation solve this conflict for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis?

And from the point that in the end the Turks became the initiator of the solution of this issue, and naturally, with their own benefit. And such an outcome could have been foreseen if the special services had worked effectively. This is their flaw.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: x.andvlad

And from the point that, as a result, the Turks became the initiator of the solution of this issue, and naturally, with their own benefit.

For the Russian Federation in this conflict, there is no benefit at all, order for the Armenians to fight for the NKR, which they themselves did not recognize as the Armenian land and the territory of Armenia for 1/4 century ...

And such an outcome could have been foreseen if the special services had worked effectively. This is their flaw.

And where did they get the idea that our special services did not foresee this, the Armenians, not the Russians, should have strengthened the NKR's defenses ... the Armenian authorities for 1/4 century did nothing to resolve the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict and to defend the NKR, but only speculated on the won war of the past ...
For 1/4 century, the "Karabakh" clan that was in power in Armenia did nothing to increase the defense capability of Armenia and the NKR, now of course you can easily blame everything on Pashinyan, he is of course an agent of the United States, but he came to power not to surrender the NKR to Azerbaijan, but for the surrender of Armenia itself to the EU and the USA ...
At the moment, the prospects for Armenia are vague and the Armenians themselves are to blame for this, choosing 25 years of nationalists, and then choosing the "little mercap" and those and others are not pro-Russian politicians ...
The Russian Federation lost forever the Soviet Transcaucasia, when it allowed Saakashvili to come to power in Georgia and the surrender of Adjara, the withdrawal of its WBs from Georgia, supporting the nationalists in Armenia and the Aliyev clan in Azerbaijan, having contrived at the same time not to receive preferences for Russian business in these republics and the free life of the Russian-speaking population ...
Everyone knows what Turkey and Azerbaijan will do now, nobody knows what will happen in Armenia ...
Armenia did nothing so that the Russian Federation could truly perceive Armenia as an ally in the Caucasus ...
I think our peacekeepers will be in NKR for a short time, because after the new elections, either nationalists from the former "Karabakh" clan who want revenge at the expense of the Russian Federation or "Soros" will come to power, who will kick our World Bank out of Armenia ... accusing the Russian Federation of treason ...

[Boris Volkhonin]

For more than 100 years, no one asked the Armenians what they wanted in 1922, the Bolsheviks gave the Turks Kars populated by Armenians - the Turks simply massacred the Armenians Initially, Karabakh was given to the Armenians then the Baku commissars decided to give it to Azerbajan The Armenians did not forget this Yes, and in Russia there is little power to rule the world Shame in our country, 19 million people live below the poverty line And you're all about geopolitics

[Lara Croft]

[quote = Boris Volkhonin] For over 100 years no one asked Armenians what they want / quote]
Do you think the Russians are to blame for this? Announce the entire list of pzhl before who the Russians are to blame ...

[Ascold1901]

"The Armenians will arrange provocations and shoot ours in the back." Back in Soviet times (80s) young Armenians called us invaders. (this is personal experience). I emphasize, they are young. Now they have grown (((

[Azimuth]

And this is not the first time for them. If the Natsiks come, they already drank our blood in the 80s and 90s, we got a lot of coffins.

They destroyed Soros' office, but the monument to Nzhdeh was not demolished and are not going to. Check out his "writings". Read what his fosterlings are writing now in social networks, in our social networks, our citizens seem to be like that.

[bk316]

Armenians will arrange provocations and shoot ours in the back

Definitely. They are already smashing their parliament.
The GDP hastened to wait a week, until Stepanokert was surrounded, so that it would become clear to everyone that Armenia had lost the war mediocrely. Not Pashinyan, but Armenia. That's when the peacekeepers are brought in.

[Civil]

If you look on the map, then 5 years of peacekeepers is superfluous, the Armenians will leave faster. And in its pure form, without a buffer in the form of Karabakh, and just after such a national shame, Armenia will not exist. So this is the beginning of the end of Armenia, however, it is our own fault, it was necessary to fight, and not in Sochi with Rostov and to blame in the Khanty-Mansiysk. Azerbaijan and Turkey are becoming a powerful regional alliance. Georgia - get ready. Adjara will have to be surrendered, or even completely transferred to a protectorate.

[Skarpzd]

as an option. in Batumi, the Turks themselves rule.

[Azimuth]

You bury Armenia early. We, and the Azerbaijanis too, have a whistle in their ears from the wind of euphoria of success, I myself also relaxed, opened the shampoos, and then he began to read the news and walked through social networks ... now sober. We are bad with the performers, plus in specialized services, institutes, etc. there are many people from Armenia, I feel they can throw out the knee, not the fact that they will succeed, but they will drink our blood.

It was the tsar who had Gribredov, but some of the townships were sitting, and we have only the Bagdasarovs, the Bagdasaryans in girlhood. Trust them ...

[Star Troopers]

Shampusik opened after shots of shootings and atrocities? When are the ears of the deceased 18-year-olds cut off? When in all YouTube channels that are not banned show how people are being destroyed? Why the hell did you decide that you can attack at all? Does Erdogan cover? I feel up to the roof.

[Azimuth]

"Ears", alas, is a long-standing tradition for everyone, not only in the Caucasus, but also in Europe, and in America, and even more so in the Middle East.
Well, war, that's why it is war. Much could have been avoided even now, and generally decided even earlier. If Aliyev and Ter-Petrosyan had not been prevented then, even more lives of your boys on both sides would have been saved. They would not spend colossal money on weapons and armies.
Who is to blame for all of you? - yourself.

[bk316]

however, they themselves are to blame, it was necessary to fight, and

To begin with, there was no need to flirt with Soros ...
And Adjara could have split off back then in the 90s.

[Roman070280]

We will never hear the truth in the west. Whatever the Russian Federation does, we will always be to blame for everything that is not good in the world.

Strange conclusions ..

Russia is the only power believed to be able to end this conflict, given its ties to and influence on both [warring parties] [...] Perhaps this latest incident will give Russia a boost
- notes Forbes.

This is WESTERN Forbes

Today is one of the "blackest" pages in the history of Armenia. Yerevan accepted Erdogan's conditions, and Russia once again showed its true face
- the resource Pentapostagma burst out with criticism.

And this is Greece ..
Not Germany .. not the USA .. not Britain ..
Let's not call only those who criticize the Russian Federation "the West".

[Orange bigg]

Nikol Pashinyan signed a shameful surrender, preventing the army from fighting [...] Nikol Pashinyan has just automatically lost his legitimacy. He is no longer the legitimate Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia
- writes the Armenian Military Portal resource, indicating that 40 thousand soldiers of the Armenian army itself did not leave their barracks.

There was no one to fight for Shusha, and 40 thousand did not leave their barracks? Betrayal. That is why the Americans put Pashinyan in power to merge Karabakh, with which he coped. The main thing now is to run away in time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: OrangeBigg

The main thing now is to run away in time.

And he will run around the world like Saakashvili. Sweet couple.

[NTD]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Betrayal. That is why the Americans put Pashinyan in power to merge Karabakh, with which he coped.

They did not lose because they betrayed ........ although there is probably some truth, they lost because they were not ready for this war. No way. Papers and documents from the UN and OSCE were on the side of Azerbaijan. The strength of the army was on the side of Azerbaijan. The money to wage the war was also on the side of Azerbaijan. And the main thing is the neutrality of Russia, which means that Russia was on the side of Azerbaijan.

And if we speak in honor and conscience, you cannot quarrel with Russia, if we were in bad relations with Russia, we would not see Karabakh as our ears ..... or wait for the collapse of Russia ........ and this you understand .................

[Arthur]

Your only comment, which I agree with you 100%

[Skarpzd]

oops .. how quickly the rhetoric changed ...

[Dmitriy66]

Did you notice it too?

[Star Troopers]

What papers? Why are you lying insolently? When did the UN authorize war? Even under the UN Charter to commit aggression.

[Alex777]

There was no one to fight for Shusha, and 40 thousand did not leave their barracks?

Armenia did not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh.
Neither as an independent entity, nor as part of Armenia. How many did not rush. Neither Pashinyan nor his predecessors agreed to this.
With what fright was her army supposed to officially fight there?
Everyone who wanted to fight was asked and waited.

[Ural resident]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Nikol Pashinyan signed a shameful surrender, preventing the army from fighting [...] Nikol Pashinyan has just automatically lost his legitimacy. He is no longer the legitimate Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia
- writes the Armenian Military Portal resource, indicating that 40 thousand soldiers of the Armenian army itself did not leave their barracks.

There was no one to fight for Shusha, and 40 thousand did not leave their barracks? Betrayal. That is why the Americans put Pashinyan in power to merge Karabakh, with which he coped. The main thing now is to run away in time.

Or maybe it’s right that these 40 thousand were not thrown into battle? From an international point of view, it would be an attack on Azerbaijan. Turkey would be included in response. In response, Russia would join ... We would have received a big war with a multiple of the number of victims. It seems to me that it was not without Putin here either. Surely he hinted to Pashinyan that he should not interfere. By the way, the shooting of tactical missiles somehow stopped after talking ...

[Bobik012]

Come on! Nothing would change at all. Everyone knew that Armenia was at war. And these forty thousand would not have solved anything. Would have extended it a little.
One helicopter decided more. Although, perhaps, indeed, an unrelated accident

[Star Troopers]

And when did Karabakh become Azerbaijan?

[midivan]

Quote: OrangeBigg

There was no one to fight for Shusha, and 40 thousand did not leave their barracks?

Let me disagree with you)) Or will you now prove to me how Pashinyan alone kept forty thousand fighters rushing into battle with their valiant generals?

[Temples]

Quote: MTN

I've said 10000 times ...

Oh, another all-knowing fortuneteller.

Quote: MTN

Dad is Russia here.

Then mom.
Learn Russian language.

[kenig1]

What does the rules of the Russian language have to do with it, Kiev then who?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: MTN

I don’t know about everyone, personally I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there

Did you hear something about Turkish? How many, what, where?

[Alex777]

There will be peace from Turkey. Armenians do not agree to their presence. Dot.

[Vadim237]

It is not they who put the point here - but Russia and Turkey.

[bayard]

At the expense of the Turks, Peskov denied - there is not a word about the Turkish peacekeepers in the agreement!
These were (and still are) the wishes of the Turks and Azerbaijan, the Turkish side addressed Russia with such proposals the day before. But in the concluded agreements there is no question of this!
And which of the Turks are peacekeepers in the Armenian regions of Karabakh?
And they are not needed - the Armenian formations will be withdrawn, the lands (all!) Are only in the Azerbaijani jurisdiction, the remaining Armenians of Karabakh were taken under protection by the Army of the Russian Federation.
And why are the Turks here?
And they are already present in the territories of Karabakh controlled by the Azerbaijani army.
They also decided on a corridor to Nakhichevan.

Azerbaijan has solved all its tasks.
At the same time - under the guarantees of Russia.

[smart ass]

Putin is handsome in this situation, well done that he didn’t stick for Armenia. Against the background of the defeat, Pashinyan will be removed and a pro-Russian Gavrik will be installed

[major147]

Quote: Clever man

Against the background of defeat, Pashinyan will be removed and a pro-Russian Gavrik will be installed

"Moor has done his job"? (c) I doubt that he will be "left", the West will not allow his "project" to be destroyed.

[iouris]

Quote: Clever man

well done for not pushing for Armenia

He is not the president of Armenia. He is the President of the Russian Federation. And what about the "national" interests and prestige of the Russian Federation?

[smart ass]

The pro-Western Pashik will be removed, Russia is not mired in a stupid war. In my opinion, all the goals of the Russian Federation have been achieved, Putin is great

[Cosm22]

It's not a problem to put Gavrik.
And did anyone think about the attitude of ordinary Armenians to Russia in the future? After all, now for a long time in their minds will be postponed the fact that Russia actually abandoned it at a critical moment. There are many good reasons why this happened, but the fact remains. And the Armenians will remember him.
As for the results of the company, I announced them a week earlier.
Armenia surrendered outright, Azerbaijan won a convincing victory.
In addition, Russia has weakened its influence in this region, while Turkey, on the contrary, has strengthened.
One should not flatter ourselves about the Russian peacekeeping contingent. We remember that in 4 years and 4 months it can be withdrawn at the unilateral request of Azerbaijan. Russia, of course, can be stubborn.
But who knows what will happen in this region in general in 4 years? How will the balance of power develop?

[Amba412]

Hell! WHY Russia had to fight for Karabakh if ​​the Armenians themselves did not do it ????????? Read the article carefully. The Army of the Republic of Armenia remained in the barracks !!!!!! The entire Armenian diaspora around the world was only moaning that Russia should intervene. And they themselves did not help a damn thing. Neither money nor people. SO WHAT Russian soldiers were supposed to die there ?????????

[Grits]

Quote: Amba412

Hell! WHY did Russia have to fight for Karabakh if ​​the Armenians themselves did not do it?

Remember what I said earlier?
"We cannot be more Serbs than the Serbs themselves." It's the same here, only even cooler.

[smart ass]

We saw the relations of ordinary Armenians when they burned the flags of the Russian Federation on the streets, in my opinion everything went well for Russia. It is possible that now they will put a pro-Russian gavrik on the board and Armenia will go to rapprochement with the Russian Federation, everything is better than it was before. Perhaps grandfather pu with erdagan agreed on this 2 months ago

[Cosm22]

What could Erdogan agree with Putin?
About giving away the victory you have actually won? Why would he? Meaning?
They could only agree on the division of Armenia. What and in what proportions will go to whom.
But if this action took place, then it does not diminish the victory of Azerbaijan, and with it the political victory of Turkey. Whatever one may say, the latter has clearly strengthened its positions in this region. The same cannot be said about Russia.
You can, of course, hide behind the slogan of peacekeeping, but from the outside it looks like just a desperate attempt by Russia, even for a while, not to completely surrender its positions in Armenia. For Stepanakert would fall in the near future, and after that the dominant influence of Azerbaijan and Turkey would reign in the region. Turkey, however, didn’t lose out anyway. Considering the fact that earlier her soldiers were not on the territory of Armenia, unlike Russia, but now they will. Legally.

[smart ass]

The won or not won in this situation was decided by Russia. If Putin made the decision to help the Armenians, everything could be quite different.

[gurzuf]

This is when "Russia actually abandoned her at a critical moment"? Probably when Armenia did not recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as either independent or Armenian? Probably when the Armenians did not prepare militarily?

[Cosm22]

Probably at the moment when Armenia signed the CSTO.
She was simply not prompted at that moment to carefully read what, figuratively speaking, is written in small print at the end, as in a bank agreement. Armenia simply hoped for the help of the elder and the rest of the brothers under the agreement, without going into details.
And in the end it flew by.
Like Ukraine with the Budapest Memorandum.
Small letters should always be read.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Cosm22

Armenia simply hoped for the help of the elder and the rest of the brothers under the agreement, without going into details.

Has someone attacked Armenia? The boot of the Azerbaijani occupier trampled on the holy land of Armenia? No, it was Armenia (NPO) that chopped off 7 regions of Azerbaijan, the territory equal to the NPO itself. Why did our guys have to die for the "bright dreams" of Armenian nationalists?

[vitvit123]

How many of these republics do not help, we are still to blame for everything. They went to hell. Let them take offense, in general, give the Turks carte blanche and crawl on their knees and kiss their feet. They will be offended! let them be afraid that Russia would not forget about them!

[Bobik012]

"the attitude of ordinary Armenians" is decided by TV. Just 4 years, the topic "How the Soros sold Armenia" will be enough

[halpat]

Quote: Clever man

Putin is handsome in this situation, well done that he didn’t stick for Armenia. Against the background of the defeat, Pashinyan will be removed and a pro-Russian Gavrik will be installed

then gavrikyan
I propose: President - Garik Martirosyan. Prime Minister - Mikhail Galustyan.
True, their KVN colleague (Ze clown) did not succeed.

[Petro_tut]

put a pro-Russian Gavrik

Dream, Maidan is already in Yerevan, and now no one will believe Russia

[Antropos]

I suspect otherwise. The new manager of Armenia will go west completely. There and the road. Azerbaijan with a victory!

[41 REGION]

Quote: Clever man

well done for not pushing for Armenia

Why interfere they are closer to Soros, let him stick for them And we started early, we had to wait for it to reach our brains, but not so the Armenians do not agree with this. And they would have waited, the Armenians would have been fuming for any, just to stop the war

[Skarpzd]

pro-Russian vryatli will be released now. do not do it, but now we are traitors for the Armenians. they will not soon understand (if at all) that we saved them as usual. from the defeat.

[Dude]

Quote: Clever man

Putin is handsome in this situation, well done that he didn’t stick for Armenia. Against the background of the defeat, Pashinyan will be removed and a pro-Russian Gavrik will be installed

Is Putin handsome? !!
OMG, well, is it possible to include logic weakly?
Vladimir Vladimirovich, in his characteristic elegant style, solemnly loves the situation. Russia in general should not have allowed this war. Instead, we only sold weapons to both opposing sides, and hoped that the status quo would continue. As a result, Turkey climbed into the region, from where it was kicked out by a Russian soldier over a century ago.
Thank God that the losses of the Russian policy in the Transcaucasia were still minimized, although again there were no casualties on our part. And Azerbaijan is not even threatened with tomato sanctions, everything will be released on the brakes.
And after that, is Putin handsome? He's just an incompetent mediocrity.

[Magadan]

Quote: MTN

And why does not one bastard say that IF RUSSIA WOULD BE Fighting from the first days, write again shows the face of the aggressor

Well, let them talk.
And now they say that Russia is a chmyrenysh and not a country. That's better?

Quote: MTN

I don’t know about everyone, personally I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there

And I am glad that more and more Russians are finally seeing the light of who Putin is. And who is his entourage.
If you do not understand that this is a continuation of EBN only in a more insidious version, then I'm sorry.
EBN at least did not pose as a patriot-sovereign, but honestly licked the west's ass
And Putin and his ministers also do only like "quietly" under patriotic slogans

[smart ass]

Would you volunteer to go to war in Karabakh? For the interests of the humpbacked ones?

[Petro_tut]

There are enough

hump-nosed

which could be mobilized from and sent to defend the homeland

[smart ass]

There are enough of them in Armenia, only they have no desire to fight

[Skarpzd]

it we need to mobilize them? if they themselves ride around Yerevan and not fight for Karabakh. it means that the Armenians do not really need it. after all, they did not recognize its independence. and were not included. to me personally whose karabakh will be violet. or was. there are still no right in my opinion.

[Reanimator]

"I would have left the hut, went to fight, so that the land in Artsakh would be given to the Armenians ..."

[Dude]

Famously the guards minus you!
Well, this is just a confirmation of the correctness of your words!

[Incvizitor]

That is, the Russian Federation had to fight for the Soros miscarriage and lose people for it, so as not to be a chmyren?

[stalki]

I don’t know about everyone, personally I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there. Excellent. I have said 10000 times that without Russia in the Petrovsky project no one is allowed to do anything. Dad is Russia.

I would clarify, rather mom than dad

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Judging by the map, most of the Armenian-Azerbaijani "conquests" went to the RF Airborne Forces. )

[halpat]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Judging by the map, most of the Armenian-Azerbaijani "conquests" went to the RF Airborne Forces. )

Not yet:)
Until the 15th OMSBR, Central Military District

[Bobik012]

There, the FSB of the Russian Federation also appears in the form of border troops :-)

[obratov]

How will Russia fight? With Turkey? Not! Not our scale! We are current with America ... on TV!

[Vadim_888]

... Dad is Russia.

Rather, my mother - 2000 peacekeepers put between the warring parties - threw a kind of handkerchief between the fighting

[figwam]

Quote: MTN

I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there.

Turkey has already entered the territory of the former USSR, I think Erdogan will not rest on this.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, first it will take Jerusalem, then it will enter the Kremlin ... how did everyone get frustrated by refusing to fight instead of Armenians and selling weapons to Azerbaijanis instead of giving them to the stronghold of civilization in the Transcaucasus - Ayestan

[Past the crocodile]

Quote: figvam

Turkey has already entered the territory of the former USSR,

... Turkey already has its own enclaves in Russia - "Tatarstan and Bashkortostan", has its own lobbyists - Edro, has its own army -
Chechen security officials. Just imagine - another Russian-Turkish war; in which direction will the Chechens shoot?

[musorg]

Turkish people will not be there, they have been deleted from the list!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: MTN

Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there.

There will be no Turks there and do not hope. Only Russian peacekeepers will be deployed on the contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh. This statement was made by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova.

[Petro_tut]

This statement was made by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova

DEVUHKA babbles a lot

[RUS96]

Quote: MTN

I am personally glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there.

The Turks will not be there, they are not in the signed documents

[Petro_tut]

The Turks will not be there, they are not in the signed documents

Some content was removed for Russians

[Skarpzd]

only Russian peacekeepers. statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry. there is not a word about Turkey. generally. the document was signed by Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia, or you, like the Ukrainians, do not know how to read?

[Alexey from Perm]

Wipe your glasses ... daddy is here Turkey

[Babayka babaykin]

And I'm glad that the Azerbaijanis took their land, and the crafty Armenians have a lesson, ☝️

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: MTN

without Russia in the Petrovsky project nobody is allowed not to do anything <...> Dad is Russia.

Russia was already in this region. We have a military base there, in case you forgot. And now, apart from Russia, there will also be Turkey. On the territory where it was not recently. On the territory that in the recent past was generally ours.
If you are glad that Russia had to move, then you are rooting for anyone's interests, but not for the interests of Russia.
At the same time, the agreement on our stay there is for five years. What will prevent Azerbaijan (or Armenia itself) from asking us from there in five years? If the sultan wants, then Aliyev will do it.

[Uma palata]

Well written, accurate, objective and to the point.

[New Year day]

Russia has simply done what was available for itself, in its own interests. And it could not be otherwise. Can't stop the booze - lead it!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

Russia has simply done what was available for itself, in its own interests.

And she saved the Armenian population of Karabakh.

[Vadim_888]

... And she saved the Armenian population of Karabakh.

Rather passed,
Or gave time to collect suitcases

[musorg]

Why did 40 thousand of Armenian soldiers never leave their barracks, huh? It looks like Nichol wanted to surrender the whole of Armenia, but that's broken off!

[New Year day]

Quote: Vadim_888

Rather passed,
Or gave time to collect suitcases

Russian Vanya has to lay down his life, and the seller Ara has to stand behind his counter? Why didn't he go there himself?

[smart ass]

I agree with you 100% grandfather poo well done in this case

[Pilot]

Well, if not well done, he missed the first sparks of the conflict and now he can calmly rest on the laurels of a peacemaker. Probably the zombie box is already breaking down in dyferambs?

[smart ass]

On zomboyaschiku I have a TV movie without stopping)) I do not use Kiselevschina. Yesterday, by the way, the start-up was shown))

[musorg]

Pilot you only in a puddle of paper boats, no more!

[Pilot]

Quote: musorg

Pilot you only in a puddle of paper boats, no more!

,, Press the keys, sell talent composer ,, (c) k / f. Wedding in Malinovka.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Silvestr

Russia has simply done what was available for itself, in its own interests. And it could not be otherwise. Can't stop the booze - lead it!

Has Russia done everything?
I believe that the fact that the Armenians were stuffed in the face for the captured 7 regions is correct and good. But Azerbaijanis should not be allowed into NGOs. At least out of humanity.
No matter what peacekeepers are there, the Armenians, with the arrival of Azerbaijanis, will not have a quiet life there. Therefore, it would be better to make the NPO an independent enclave with Russian peacekeepers (military base) there, and in no case let Azerbaijanis and Turks there. The costs of maintaining the Russian base in the NPO are borne by the NPO. Everything, period.
At the same time - protection from the advancing Azerbaijan - the costs of maintaining the Russian base in Armenia fall on Armenia.

[Dmitriy66]

Krasnoyarsk
Today, 10: 53
"The costs of maintaining the Russian base in NPOs fall on NPOs"
and what income items of the budget of the NGO will be written off to the expenses for the maintenance of a / b
In terms of dollars, NPO GDP in 2019 was about $ 713 million

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/02/10/2020/5f75eaf89a79479780090f84

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Dmitriy66

Today, 10: 53
"The costs of maintaining the Russian base in NPOs fall on NPOs"
and what income items of the budget of the NGO will be written off to the expenses for the maintenance of a / b

Woe to the vanquished. These are their problems. If they do not like it, then let the Azerbaijanis with the Turks at the head enter there. Will it be easier for them, the Armenians of NGOs?

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But Azerbaijanis should not be allowed into NGOs.

I wonder how? De facto they have conquered, already there!

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

An NGO is an independent enclave with Russian peacekeepers (military base) there, and in no case should Azerbaijanis and Turks be allowed there

According to international law, this is the territory of Azerbaijan. Are you suggesting that we also break this?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Silvestr

According to international law, this is the territory of Azerbaijan. Are you suggesting that we also break this?

Are you a tough defender of international law? Give an example of a country complying with international law. Who is it? France? Germany? Or maybe the United States?
And the right of the nation to self-determination on the side? Only Armenians live in NGOs. Moreover, they live for centuries.
I have never defended Armenians, like Azerbaijanis, I do not like either one or the other, and I have my own reasons for that.
Well, they cannot get along peacefully. How do you not understand this? They must be separated. NPOs are a separate enclave, the rest is for Azerbaijanis. Otherwise, the Armenians will not live in NK. Who will be cut out, who will be kicked out Do you want that?

Quote: Silvestr

I wonder how? De facto they have conquered, already there!

For this there are "peace negotiations" - Russia makes an offer to Baku, which they cannot refuse. Russia has such an opportunity, the main thing here is to look at "international law" in a new, modern way

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Are you a tough defender of international law?

If you violate your interests, then someone will violate them in yours. Nobody canceled them, and there is nothing to replace them with

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Only Armenians live in NGOs. Moreover, they live for centuries.

Tricky question! For centuries, mainly Tatars lived in Crimea, the Ottoman Empire owned it. Do your words about NPOs mean the Tatars' existing right to rule Crimea and Turkey's right to it?

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Russia has such an opportunity

What is the opportunity? The right of the strong is not only and not so much a strong army, but a developed economy. Do we have it? The question is rhetorical.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

For this there are "peace negotiations" - Russia makes an offer to Baku, which they cannot refuse.

And why didn't they do it? Now there is Turkey, the place is taken.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you want that?

I want the development of my country, not the solution of someone's problems at the expense of my tax deductions. Example: covid and treatment of people in the country. All perfectly? That's what needs to be decided now, and if not, then there is no result. For half a year, the natural population decline in the country has grown by 30%! People shit, and their places are occupied by Armenians, Azerbaijan, Uzbeks. Are you for them or for the country?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Silvestr

If you violate your interests, then someone will violate them in yours. Nobody canceled them there is nothing to change them

Everything is correct. They are violated by everyone. Besides Russia ... do you like it? I will muster the audacity to remind you - "To live among wolves - howl like a wolf."

Quote: Silvestr

For centuries, the Tatars have also lived in Crimea,

They still live there. The question of the percentage in the total population. And it determines whether you like it or not, the majority.
It's not worth talking about the Turks at all. Turkey lost its right to Crimea as a result of the war and, in this regard, under international law, so beloved by you.

Quote: Silvestr

What is the opportunity? The right of the strong is not only and not so much a strong army, but a developed economy. Do we have it? The question is rhetorical.

No, just, in this case, a strong army. And the Russian economy is somewhat more serious than the Azerbaijani one.
.

Quote: Silvestr

And why didn't they do it? Now there is Turkey, the place is taken.

Where, in the NGO? You have incorrect information. Precisely as a result of negotiations in the NPO Russia. Turkey did not participate in the negotiations. Only Putin, Aliev and, God forgive me, Pashinyan.

Quote: Silvestr

I want my country to develop

So do I. That is why I wrote that the content of military personnel in NPOs falls on the NPO, and that in Armenia - on Armenia. That is how it should be. How will it be? Don't go to grandma - on our shoulders. Alas.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

... The costs of maintaining the Russian base in the NPO are borne by the NPO. Everything, period.

Russia give money And we will pay you for the base Then Half a point

[obratov]

Stratech! "The haberdasher and the cardinal is power!"

[Skarpzd]

well, a little earlier. day. and our guys would most likely be alive.

[Brands]

The Greeks are ungrateful and here they managed to bite the Russian Federation in defiance of the Armenians

[Magadan]

And the Greeks should be grateful to Putin for something

Just don't put Russia and Putin on the same level now.
Russia is my worthy ancestors, from the Cossacks from the Don to those who shed blood in Afghanistan.
And Putin is the palaces and yachts of every elite currency stratum and other fiery United Russia

[Victorio]

Quote: Magadan

And Putin is the palaces and yachts of every elite currency stratum and other fiery United Russia

===
what is really there, take it above, Putin is the Rockefellers, Morgan, Rothschilds and other delights of capitalism.

[Serg65]

Quote: Magadan

from the Cossacks from the Don to those who shed blood in Afghanistan.

An interesting historical period! Where did the Don Cossacks go?

[Voyager]

What are you speaking about? There has always been an elite stratum with palaces, especially in tsarist times, when the Don Cossacks received a diploma.

[tralflot1832]

Let's see what the Greeks will say when Erdogan turns his gaze to the west. He has already received oil and gas at "fraternal prices." Will Europe fit in for the Greeks?

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

The Greeks are ungrateful and here they managed to bite the Russian Federation in defiance of the Armenians

they just worry about their relatives, about the Armenians

[Machete]

Well, yes, you participate in a war - bad, you create peace - even worse.
And where were all these silent cowardly impotent people from the EU all this time?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Machete

And where were all these silent cowardly impotent people from the EU all this time?

We sat and waited to see who would win the elections in America.

[Machete]

This is more important ..

[Magadan]

Quote: Machete

Well, yes, you participate in a war - bad, you create peace - even worse.

it is only better to be "bad" at war than to be a smirk. Or do you disagree?

[Ural resident]

Quote: Magadan

Quote: Machete

Well, yes, you participate in a war - bad, you create peace - even worse.

it is only better to be "bad" at war than to be a smirk. Or do you disagree?

I agree with your opinion, the country is governed by the renewed Yeltsin Center. However, in order to make a decision about war, one must understand the full responsibility. This is a very big responsibility - you sign a decision on the death of very, very many of your citizens, and you also have to win. In this case, Russia wins. Before that, there was no Russia in Karabakh. Would there be a war there if we were officially present there? Russia is increasing its influence, Turkey is unlikely to be there. Erdogan's task - a gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea has not been solved (a bun by Yeltsin).

[Machete]

I don't quite understand what you mean.
And you are ready to fight, right?

I don't think everyone here is ready.

The same warriors in Armenia got excited when everything was over.

Ready to tear everyone up. In absentia.

[Machete]

I don't quite understand what you mean.
And you are ready to fight, right?

I don't think everyone here is ready.

The same warriors in Armenia got excited when everything was over.

Ready to tear everyone up. In absentia.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Against this background, Russian troops are rapidly entering the territory of Karabakh.

Prepared in advance. Shushi was taken in the afternoon of November 7. Negotiations have been going on since then.

The separatist President Arayik Harutyunyan stated the following:

Control over Shusha was lost on November 7

If the war continued, all of Karabakh would be lost

The fighting took place near Khankendi, 2-3 kilometers away

They were forced to make yesterday's decision, and history will evaluate it.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: opuonmed

Yes, we are all waiting for the Turet Inhatebs, I hope they immediately go to the Kremlin and not ordinary people and at home

And now the same thing, only more coherent.
Take your time, think about your words. Stream of consciousness is not welcome here.

[tihonmarine]

Today is one of the "blackest" pages in the history of Armenia. Yerevan accepted Erdogan's conditions, and Russia once again showed its true face

Moscow made the right decision.

[Catfish]

It’s a pity for the guys with the downed turntable, we ought to demand the guilty and bring them to justice, here in Russia.

[Svarog]

I believe that in this case everything was done correctly by Russia.

[Livonetc]

This is a clear victory for Russia.
That is why they are angry.

[Magadan]

Quote: Livonetc

This is a clear victory for Russia.
That is why they are angry.

oh well nafig. Well, this is the height of Putinism.
When your wife is raped in front of your eyes and your daughter is killed, and you, instead of at least throwing a stone at the freaks, run to the police, so let's talk then about such a "victory"

[Vadim237]

Go treat your head. And even better save your Sorousyonka - until he is crucified.

[Serg65]

Quote: Magadan

When you see your wife raped and your daughter killed

You were raped ???

[Magadan]

Serge, have I personally insulted you?
You look like a raped one. You only get pleasure from it.

[Machete]

Well, yes, you should have been sent to Karabakh to fight. Hera damn it.

We had to end the war next to us. It was stopped. At the expense of the Armenians. But they themselves are to blame for everything.

[rotmistr60]

and Russia has once again shown its true face

Maybe the Greeks will show their true colors at least once? To set up your bishops against the ROC - please, ask Russia for something - forever, to wander around the EU with an outstretched hand - such is the fate ... But in foreign policy there is no opinion. Well, they would send their volunteers to Karabakh, but no - they suddenly kill. They also blather towards Russia.

[Magadan]

Quote: rotmistr60

Maybe the Greeks will show their true colors at least once?

Yes, FIG on the face of the Greeks. It's just that they are right here specifically.
It is just that Putin's disgrace (or betrayal) should not be attributed to Russia.
Our Russia is Suvorov, Ushakov, Nevsky .. Stalin finally.
But Putin and Yeltsin will pass. And all their minions too

[Serg65]

Quote: Magadan

Stalin finally

Ah well done !!!!

[Lech from Android.]

It looks like Erdogan won and not Russia in this conflict. Russia has lost a helicopter and two pilots ... I'm afraid there will be more losses after the deployment of peacekeepers .. The radicals may shit ... So far, I do not see any gains for Russia in this bedlam.

[flicker]

Russia has lost a helicopter and two pilots.

And how many Turkish special forces were killed there?

[Alex777]

And how many Turkish special forces were killed there?

And in Syria, in the camps that were "medicinally" smashed in the last month?

[Lech from Android.]

Erdogan has a lot of cannon fodder .. He will find a replacement for them quickly.

[Lech from Android.]

And which one? can you show the real facts?

[Skarpzd]

and what? sound please?

[Magadan]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It looks like Erdogan won and not Russia in this conflict

well, actually, it's obvious
But the loyal Zaputins have an interesting brain structure: they see Russia's victory in its shame.
Although I repeat - it was not a shame for my country. This is a shame and betrayal of the fiery edrossni, putinoids and other liberals that mow down patriots.
And it will burp for you again.

[gurzuf]

Ara! It is good to incite the Russians to a war for you with the Azeris.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Magadan

But the loyal Zaputins have an interesting brain structure: they see Russia's victory in its shame.

Well, and you see the shame of Russia in its victory.
Is that better?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lech from Android.

So far, I don't see any gains for Russia in this bedlam.

Listen to some, so Russia has lost everywhere. In the Donbass, in Syria. Now here is Karabakh.
And I lost because it was necessary, they say, "faster, higher, stronger."
Reminds an old joke:
A seasoned bull and a young bull stand on the hill, and below, in a hollow, a herd of heifers grazes.
Goby says:
- Come on, quickly run downstairs and fuck that chick over there!
Bull:
- No.
Goby:
- Then let's quickly run downstairs and fuck that chick over there !!
Bull:
- No.
Goby:
- Then that one!
Bull:
- Listen, little thing, don't fuss. We will now go down slowly and fuck the whole herd.

You seem to be sitting on the top of an iceberg, you do not see the forest behind the trees, but you are sure that you have learned all possible processes inside and out.
See not to get lost in the three pines.

[Lech from Android.]

I sit on the top of the iceberg and watch the war and color revolutions blaze on our borders and there is no end in sight.
Behind the trees, closer and closer I see the beastly grin of the dogs of war of our enemies.
Maybe you see a picture in rainbow colors, but I'm sorry I see a completely different picture.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Maybe you see a picture in rainbow colors, but I'm sorry I see a completely different picture.

I only see a very small piece of the picture. Therefore, I absolutely do not presume to assert in what colors it is.
And what "seems" to me may, in fact, turn out to be completely different.
To draw conclusions based on the scantiest information is the lot of the especially gifted.
Let me illustrate with an example.
The man fell into a puddle, got wet, and from this he concluded that the entire planet was flooded.

[Lech from Android.]

You don't need to fall into this puddle , and carefully bypass it. I prefer to learn from other people's mistakes and not from my own. Do not think that a small person does not see a holistic picture of the world and does not understand what is happening around because he is a part of the whole and any change in the whole can also be felt. The primitive attitude of those in power to the common people always ended badly for these celestials who imagined themselves to be gods.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Do not think that a small person does not see a holistic picture of the world and does not understand what is happening around because he is a part of the whole and any change in the whole can also be felt.

A small person cannot see the whole picture of the world precisely because he is small. Much more knowledgeable people were also mistaken.
How can a single cell judge the state of the organism as a whole? She can only speculate and fantasize. And the degree of conviction in one's own fantasies is directly proportional to conceit.

[Lech from Android.]

So you answered amazingly accurately about yourself.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Are you not like that? Can you boast of any special awareness?

[gurzuf]

So, what to do then, tell the strategist? Can adversaries hit with a nuclear baton?

[Lech from Android.]

Again this eternal Russian question ... What to do? I am not Moses and God has not endowed me with the gift of foresight ... And I don’t wipe my pants at the Russian General Staff. In short, I don’t know.

[AshPoseidon]

There is a win. the Americans lost with Pashinyan. Pashinyan, at best, retire, because the people will not support him now. Both sides will now reckon with the opinion of Russia. The perpetrators will be punished for the helicopter. Erdogan will not climb further, because he knows the work of the Russian Aerospace Forces, they will not stand on ceremony with barmaley and other terrorists.

[Vadim_888]

... There is a win. the Americans lost with Pashinyan.

The people of Armenia lost, not Pashinyan, they simply knocked him out by the hands of the Turks, and now the main accusations in Armenia will sound against the Russians, so the Americans won, now Armenia will definitely leave the CSTO and join NATO

[Skarpzd]

eh ... how simple it is. to disgust. the helicopter will be punished. yes a long radish for this helicopter. though expensive, but it's just a piece of iron. killed two government officials. STATE. how to be with it?

[Vadim_888]

... ... what about it?

And how is it usually done under Putin? - wiped off

[Grits]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It looks like Erdogan won and not Russia in this conflict

From the very beginning, Russia had a fork in this war. And from the very beginning it was clear that Russia is clearly in a losing situation, and Turkey, on the contrary. However, with this decision, Putin slightly clipped Erdogan's wings so that he would not fly too high. Russia was able to take the best and the best from this dermal situation that it was capable of.

[sergo1914]

Well, the Greeks would not be cowering now.

[Revolver]

It is not clear about the downed helicopter. Was he involved in a peacekeeping operation that had already begun, or was the shooting down the trigger for it, or was the operation planned separately, and the helicopter and the crew served as a sacred victim? It’s hard to believe that an operation of this magnitude could be prepared in a matter of hours after the downing.

[Lech from Android.]

But what's the difference .. Our people died ... Who will be responsible for this? ... Who to ask for their death?

[Petro_tut]

... Who to ask for their death?

from arzeibadzhantsea, let the relatives of the victims be paid a monthly allowance of at least 2000 euros per month to everyone, because the government of the Russian Federation will pay a penny

[OgnennyiKotik]

It seems that part of the Azerbaijani military did not want peace and made a provocation to disrupt the negotiations.

[Alex777]

It seems that part of the Azerbaijani military did not want peace and made a provocation to disrupt the negotiations.

Either way, or the Turks tried again. In Nakhichevan.
The helicopter, as far as is known, flew with precautions.

The Russian helicopter flew in the dark, at low altitude and outside the detection zone of air defense radars, the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry said.

It was very difficult to shoot him down.

[saigon]

But with the Azerbaijani military, the picture is interesting to win the war, to lose people, and then bam again politicians and a stolen victory, let's call things from the point of view of generals - politicians will ride a white horse, and blood will go to the military.

[Vadim_888]

... - politicians will ride on a white horse, and blood will go to the military.

And when it was different, because - "war is a continuation of politics"

[Cat]

Sure. All those who served in the army understand that such operations are not prepared overnight.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Nagan

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It is not clear about the downed helicopter. He was involved in a peacekeeping operation that had already begun, or the shooting down served as an impetus for the start of it, or the operation was planned separately, and the helicopter and

Most likely, the helicopter and the death of the guys, the CUT OFFICE is an opportunity for Azerbaijan to attract the Turks to the solution ... they simply did not give time to realize the new reality and prepare ... react VERY quickly. Much faster than then in South Ossetia ...

[Alex777]

Most likely, the helicopter and the death of the guys are the opportunity for Azerbaijan to attract the Turks to the decision ...

100%.

[donavi49]

The Turks will be - today they are signing a separate agreement:

On November 10, the defense ministries of Russia and Turkey will sign a special agreement on the establishment of a joint monitoring center for the observance of the ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh.

I just accidentally hit it. They led the front columns of peacekeepers to the initial ones, accompanied by it, it was already dark. In Nakhchivali they did not know anything, they thought it was the Armenians who were flying and hit (the main army is fighting, but we are sitting on the priest here, it's not good).

By the way, it is unclear why the turntable was sent there at night. This is this board:

He does not have an optical station, nor a thermal imager, only a night vision device of this type.

[Rubina]

Thanks you. This is the most reasonable explanation why the helicopter was shot down. The peacekeepers went to their positions, but Nakhichevan was not warned. Whose fault, we do not know. Either Russia did not warn us, or we didn’t have time to tell Nakhichevan. But the advance of the column explains much why the settlement happened at night. The presidents spoke at 3 am. And we did not understand why such a rush.
Forgive me for the pilots, I'm very sorry for the guys, this is the negligence of the military leadership, Russian or Azerbaijani, we do not know. Kingdom of heaven to them.
Regarding the results of the war, in principle, we got what we were promised - 7 regions without Karabakh minus Shusha. I think that Shusha was NOT part of the agreement, which is why the war ended so swiftly. Thanks to our special forces for Shusha.
Very important acquisitions for Azerbaijan
1. There is no question of any Armenian autonomy;
2.the road to Nakhichevan, this is a corridor for Azerbaijan to Turkey
3. Turkish peacekeepers
4. Armenia will now forget about its claims to Baku, Ganja and Nakhichevan.
5. For Russia, there is a benefit in the transport corridor through Azerbaijan and Turkey further to Europe, bypassing Ukraine, which indirectly lost from this war
6. Benefits for Armenia in unblocking communications and benefits from transit. Otherwise, a war-ravaged country simply cannot survive. Hopefully, the Armenians will eventually understand that it is better to trade with neighbors than to fight

Thank you very much to all the participants for clarifying the technical details of this war, for me it was very informative

[kush62]

Rubina quote (Rubina)
Today, 11: 59
NEW
: - "3. Turkish peacekeepers"
This is something new

[Skarpzd]

everything seems to hit, with the exception of the Turkish peacekeepers. WELL WHERE DO YOU TAKE THIS ???

[Rubina]

Let's wait, I'll be wrong, I'll take the words back. Thanks for reading

[Revolver]

Quote: Rubina

5. For Russia, there is a benefit in the transport corridor through Azerbaijan and Turkey further to Europe, bypassing Ukraine, which indirectly lost from this war

There are already a lot of these corridors bypassing Ukraine, through Finland, or Belarus (well, the truth is, there is not very friendly Poland along the way). But there is no need to cross the mountains. And the gas pipeline will go well along the seabed.

[iouris]

Quote: donavi49

In Nakhchivali they did not know anything, they thought it was the Armenians who were flying and hit (the main army is fighting, but we are sitting on the priest here, it's not good).

Here is no need for Lala. The helicopter was shot down by the Turks or at the command of the Turkish commanders. Turks cannot like this maneuver by Aliyev.
But the command that sent the column did not foresee. The attackers had to be destroyed. It doesn't matter where they attacked from. Because this is the Middle East.

[Magadan]

Quote: Nagan

and the helicopter and the crew served as a sacred sacrifice?

And the helicopter and the crew were the salute of the victory of Perdogan and Aliyev. Shot down exactly on the day and hour of the surrender of Karabakh.
Notably, they walked around Russia like that ... And they scared at last, they, like, are ready to pay for the helicopter and the funeral of the guys ...
Loyal to Putin: you continue to vote for United Russia. And for Putin. And head deeper into the sand. It is understandable, I want joy and positivity. You want blind faith in a good leader, even when the "leader" is a traitor

[Victorio]

Quote: Nagan

It is not clear about the downed helicopter. Was he involved in a peacekeeping operation that had already begun, or was the shooting down the trigger for it, or was the operation planned separately, and the helicopter and the crew served as a sacred victim? It’s hard to believe that an operation of this magnitude could be prepared in a matter of hours after the downing.

===
maybe the death of a helicopter and served as a trigger

[taiga2018]

Probably for the first time in its history, Russia did the right thing from the point of view of its national interests, and not the interests of another country, and did not allow itself to be drawn into the conflict, although many pulled it there, and saved Armenia from complete defeat ... We learn to be cynics little by little, that's enough , spilled krovushki for all sorts of so-called brothers who now do not give us a penny ...

[Lech from Android.]

Where do you see Russia's national interest here? By introducing peacekeepers into this region, we do not extinguish the conflict, but only postpone it for five years. What will happen next, only God knows ... Erdogan, this success only whets his appetite ... I don't see anything good in this.

[taiga2018]

In what Russia has shown, it still has influence in this region and for this it is not necessary to water this land with the blood of Russian soldiers ...

[Lech from Android.]

Where is the influence? When the initiative is owned by the Turks and the Americans ... Russia only cleans up after them excuse their shit. always belatedly reacting to their actions.

[taiga2018]

Well, if for you to stop the war and death of people is to clean up shit, then it is better than to deliver "cargo 200" across all of Russia.

[Lech from Android.]

It would have been better for me not to allow Pashinyan to come to power in Armenia ... What prevented the arming and training of Armenian military experts ... Who will now close this entrance yard for Erdogan's militants, it is not known how the Armenian Dashnaks will now act ... Surely they are now Russia's worst enemies because of Karabakh.

[vitvit123]

You can say whatever you like about initiatives, but the fact that now the Russian peacekeepers cannot be bypassed is a fact. Any decision there will be made taking into account the fact that there are Russians. So we have arguments. It means to bypass D. Vova behind the back, this is .... well, at least a risk. Means we have an influence on this situation. But what the Americans got from this is not entirely clear. Just no need to say that we were pulled into a conflict, we ourselves went, as a strong and watching.

[Stock]

Where is the influence? Russian troops in Azerbaijan for at least 5 years, strengthening the base in Armenia, additional units to control the corridor to Nakhichevan, increasing influence in the Caucasus. The French and the Yankees were thrown out of the negotiation process. Democrats come to power in the United States, but they don't like Russians and Turks. God himself ordered to unite efforts. The losing side is only the Armenians, but they themselves are to blame for their multi-vector nature

[Petro_tut]

In what Russia has shown, it still has influence in this region and for this it is not necessary to water this land with the blood of Russian soldiers ...

All that Russia has shown is that it will wipe itself off with another apology for the downed pilots ..

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Where do you see Russia's national interest here? By introducing peacekeepers into this region, we do not extinguish the conflict, but only postpone it for five years. What will happen next, only God knows ... Erdogan, this success only whets his appetite ... I don't see anything good in this.

Are you sure that Erdogan will serve these 5 years? I'm not sure. Five years is a long enough time for a donkey to die, so padishah.

[Alex777]

Are you sure that Erdogan will serve these 5 years?

Thoughts read! Everything is changing so quickly lately that 5 current years in 10 last years will disappear.

[Asad]

And where is the confidence that the next one will be better than Erdogan?

[Alex777]

And where is the confidence that the next one will be better than Erdogan?

The next one has not yet been attempted to be eliminated by a military coup by his allies.
When did Erdogan break loose? When I realized that either pan or disappeared.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

There is no such confidence. Not with anything.

[Lech from Android.]

Well, God forbid. I really hope that Erdogan will tear his navel on the way to build an Ottoman world.

[Petro_tut]

Well, God forbid. I really hope that Erdogan will tear his navel on the way to build the Ottoman world

Now this is unlikely when he sees Putin's weakness and such a victory in Karabakh

[Amra asian]

Lower Turks in Russian nationality policy, Slavs Georgians Armenians can no longer ignore. Chukchi Churks have already begun to understand why there was not a single Asiatic in the Russian state media at that time!
Vedas Armenians are not the indigenous people of Russia but the Tatars Bashkirs Kazakhs Altaians Khakases Tuvinians Buryats Yakuts Evenks Khanty Mansi are all indigenous peoples of Russia, aren't they!

[Revolver]

Quote: Amra Asian

Lower Turks in Russian nationality policy, Slavs Georgians Armenians can no longer ignore. Chukchi Churks have already begun to understand why there was not a single Asiatic in the Russian state media at that time!
Vedas Armenians are not the indigenous people of Russia but the Tatars Bashkirs Kazakhs Altaians Khakases Tuvinians Buryats Yakuts Evenks Khanty Mansi are all indigenous peoples of Russia, aren't they!

And now, please, the same thing, but in Russian, because what you have written is just a lot of letters.

[Grits]

Quote: Amra Asian

Lower Turks in Russian nationality policy, Slavs Georgians Armenians can no longer ignore. Chukchi Churks have already begun to understand why there was not a single Asiatic in the Russian state media at that time!
Vedas Armenians are not the indigenous people of Russia but the Tatars Bashkirs Kazakhs Altaians Khakases Tuvinians Buryats Yakuts Evenks Khanty Mansi are all indigenous peoples of Russia, aren't they!

Put the hookah aside and explain when you sleep it off.

[Skarpzd]

a beautiful speech .. to understand what it is about?

[Herman 4223]

Something I have doubts that refugees with Armenian passports will be allowed back. Russia will not control the Lachin corridor, and there is no other way.
How many people managed to leave Karabakh? Somewhere I came across a figure of 100 thousand people.
Humanly, of course, I feel sorry for them, they have already lost their homes.
But the rest who stayed will live in silence for a while.

[Petro_tut]

But the rest who stayed will live in silence for a while

Guboy saying they were given five years to collect their suitcases and move to Armenia

[Herman 4223]

In principle, the Armenian army will no longer be there, Aliyev can show nobility and not pursue a tough policy against those who remained, then in a couple of generations Azerbaijan will have its own tame Armenians.

[Grits]

Quote: Petro_tut

Saying with a lip, they were given five years to collect their bags and move to Armenia

It's still better than being stabbed to death under their own gate tomorrow.

[Cron]

Even I, a person who is not particularly familiar with the art of war, would have been able to organize competent defense in so many years. No, I would not try to protect everything, no, this is impossible, given the military potential of Azerbaijan, but in key areas they would have gotten in the teeth. Especially in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house would be turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves, etc. Either this city remained with us, or it flew to air, along with all the Azerbaijani military and Idlib hurias. They would have washed themselves there in blood, and they got the city too dearly.
And it was possible at least to buy reconnaissance UAVs, the same Orlans-10, are they expensive?

Everything was merged in advance, but a picture of stubborn resistance was created. I am sincerely sorry for those who died, thinking that the authorities are doing everything possible. Pashinyan defiantly sent his wife to the front, showing that he was doing even the impossible. So you had a whole army at your disposal .... But when populists and jumpers from squares come, nothing good, as we see, does not work. And how they poured into everyone's ears about how our brave warriors hold their positions, and somewhere they even go on the offensive, that Shushi is ours, etc. And many really thought that it was. It was impossible to prepare all these treaties quickly, the negotiations were from the very beginning and only bargaining was underway for the controlled territories, and maybe even the Armenians merged more than they could leave, as a result of their toothlessness.

In any case, they don't wave their hands after a fight. Peace to both nations, and that our peacekeepers return from there safe and sound.
And the Armenians would be better off consolidating society around something else, and not feeding revanchist sentiments, and now politicians will start playing on this. This will not lead to anything good. It is better to raise the economy.

[voyaka uh]

... "Especially in strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house turned into a firing point" ///
----
None of this works. This is how ISIS tried to defend itself in the major cities of Iraq and Syria.
Everything explodes, so what? The enemy is also not a fool. Guesses about mines. Firing points are revealed and suppressed from a distance.
ISIS left piles of rubble and ... disappeared

[Cron]

Quote: voyaka uh

... "Especially in strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house turned into a firing point" ///
----
None of this works. This is how ISIS tried to defend itself in the major cities of Iraq and Syria.
Everything explodes, so what? The enemy is also not a fool. Guesses about mines. Firing points are revealed and suppressed from a distance.
ISIS left piles of rubble and ... disappeared

Well, you generally cited something incomparable as an example. Firstly, ISIS has resisted quite successfully. And there was a completely different war than in Karabakh.
Secondly, yes, no matter what the enemy guesses, but his advance would be extremely difficult. Look at the map of military operations, how the enemy approached Shushi like a wedge, the infantry was mainly operating there, it was rather difficult to pull up the equipment. Shushi surrendered without a fight! Just spend a cleanup there and there will be order everywhere.
And if you are comparing, then it would be much more logical to talk about the operations of the Turks against the Kurds in Iraq. Where things are not so smooth for them. They, in my opinion, still cannot take the main headquarters of the PKK in the mountains, despite the introduction of the army, the use of UAVs and aviation

[voyaka uh]

"Shushi surrendered without a fight!" ///
---
This is not true. Fierce fighting took place in two or three places on the outskirts. After the Azerbaijani special forces overturned the resistance of the defenders on the outskirts of the city, the Armenian troops fled from the city. No mines would have helped. The engineers would have cleared them slowly.

[Cron]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Shushi surrendered without a fight!" ///
---
This is not true. Fierce fighting took place in two or three places on the outskirts. After the Azerbaijani special forces overturned the resistance of the defenders on the outskirts of the city, the Armenian troops fled from the city. No mines would have helped. The engineers would have cleared them slowly.

The key word is "leisurely" and under constant fire. Ahh, well, if the special forces overturned the defenders, then certainly Shushi was perfectly protected. I really thought there was an army with the support of special forces

[Ural resident]

Quote: Cron

Even I, a person who is not particularly familiar with the art of war, would have been able to organize competent defense in so many years. No, I would not try to protect everything, no, this is impossible, given the military potential of Azerbaijan, but in key areas they would have gotten in the teeth. Especially in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house would be turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves, etc. Either this city remained with us, or it flew to air, along with all the Azerbaijani military and Idlib hurias. They would have washed themselves there in blood, and they got the city too dearly.
And it was possible at least to buy reconnaissance UAVs, the same Orlans-10, are they expensive?

Everything was merged in advance, but a picture of stubborn resistance was created. I am sincerely sorry for those who died, thinking that the authorities are doing everything possible. Pashinyan defiantly sent his wife to the front, showing that he was doing even the impossible. So you had a whole army at your disposal .... But when populists and jumpers from squares come, nothing good, as we see, does not work. And how they poured into everyone's ears about how our brave warriors hold their positions, and somewhere they even go on the offensive, that Shushi is ours, etc. And many really thought that it was. It was impossible to prepare all these treaties quickly, the negotiations were from the very beginning and only bargaining was underway for the controlled territories, and maybe even the Armenians merged more than they could leave, as a result of their toothlessness.

In any case, they don't wave their hands after a fight. Peace to both nations, and that our peacekeepers return from there safe and sound.
And the Armenians would be better off consolidating society around something else, and not feeding revanchist sentiments, and now politicians will start playing on this. This will not lead to anything good. It is better to raise the economy.

The Armenians were confident of victory at the borders. the rear was not prepared at all, no supplies, no caches, no reserves. Therefore, after the breakthrough in the south, there was nothing more they could do. Only scattered handfuls of fanatics fought - honor and praise to them.

[Cron]

I agree. Whoever tries to protect everything will not protect anything in the end

[Alex777]

Even I, a person who is not particularly familiar with the art of war, would have been able to organize competent defense in so many years.

Everyone thinks he is a strategist seeing the fight from the side.

in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves

And all the past peaceful decades would explode on their own mines.
As ukrovoyaki now.
You don't understand so much that there is no point in commenting.
And the Armenians had a line of defense. With 4 m concrete slabs.
They are quite famous as builders. Did not help.

Armenians would be better off consolidating society around something else, rather than feeding revanchist sentiments, and now politicians will start playing on this. This will not lead to anything good. It is better to raise the economy.

Sound thought. Only there is no real economy in Armenia.

[Cron]

Quote: Alex777

Even I, a person who is not particularly familiar with the art of war, would have been able to organize competent defense in so many years.

Everyone thinks he is a strategist seeing the fight from the side.

in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches would be mined there, every house turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves

And all the past peaceful decades would explode on their own mines.
As ukrovoyaki now.
You don't understand so much that there is no point in commenting.
And the Armenians had a line of defense. With 4 m concrete slabs.
They are quite famous as builders. Did not help.

Armenians would be better off consolidating society around something else, rather than feeding revanchist sentiments, and now politicians will start playing on this. This will not lead to anything good. It is better to raise the economy.

Sound thought. Only there is no real economy in Armenia.

How would they explode if the enemy was actually walking like a wedge towards Shushi? All that remained was to create maximum inconvenience while advancing to this height, and the defenders to take up defensive positions. Why did you have to run down there and get blown up on your own mines? I do not understand. It was also possible to pinch them a little on the flanks, if not take them into the boiler at all.
Well, what is then undermined is after any war. This is not an invention of ukrovoyak
And I generally spoke only about the defense of the city, and not about the mining of all the mountains and forests in Karabakh, do you understand the difference? The rest did not even touch on.

"You don't understand so much that there is no point in commenting."
Yes, and you are probably a distinguished expert with us. Apparently, such and created a line of defense with 4 m concrete floors. Just figs understand where, not where you need it. And then such, and who did it? Should have withstood ...

[Alex777]

Especially in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches there would be mined, each house turned into a firing point, back in peacetime, and the houses themselves, I would also mine mines, etc.

Mineralization in peacetime leads to self-explosions ..
Do you represent the terrain in the Shushi region?

the enemy was actually walking like a wedge

[Cron]

Quote: Alex777

Especially in the strategically important Shushi, all approaches there would be mined, each house turned into a firing point, back in peacetime, and the houses themselves, I would also mine mines, etc.

Mineralization in peacetime leads to self-explosions ..
Do you represent the terrain in the Shushi region?

the enemy was actually walking like a wedge

And who said that mining would take place in peacetime? Are you making it up yourself, or who is helping? Did the troops approach Shushi on the very first day? Even with my knowledge of the sofa, it is known that it is possible with the help of special vehicles to quickly saturate a certain area with mines

[Alex777]

And who said that mining would take place in peacetime?

This is your phrase. I'm just quoting her.

every house has been turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves

Since you do not remember what you are writing, further discussion is meaningless.

[Cron]

Quote: Alex777

And who said that mining would take place in peacetime?

This is your phrase. I'm just quoting her.

every house has been turned into a firing point, even in peacetime, and I would also mine the houses themselves

Since you do not remember what you are writing, further discussion is meaningless.

The point is not that I don’t remember something, but that when I wrote everything I included in one sentence. Naturally, in peacetime it was meant only about firing points. I may not be entirely normal, but it certainly would not have occurred to me to start a house with something when peaceful people live in it.

[d4rkmesa]

Well, there is Kilikia beer and chocolate pills. And Sevan crayfish, which are passed off as Don ones.

[Cottager452]

I don’t understand who will now be pacified in Karabakh, if the conflict is settled and the agreement between Azerbaijan and Russia is signed.

[Cron]

Quote: Summer Resident452

I don’t understand who will now be pacified in Karabakh, if the conflict is settled and the agreement between Azerbaijan and Russia is signed.

Azerbaijan, from encroachments on Armenians in the remaining enclaves. This is beneficial first of all to them, to show the world community, they say, look here, the Armenians are here, they have gone nowhere, they live peacefully and no one even touches them ...

[Petro_tut]

I do not understand who will now be pacified in Karabakh, if the conflict is settled and the agreement between Azerbaijan and Russia is signed

Armenians of course

[Cat]

Why couldn't it have been done in Donbas?

[Cron]

Quote: Gato

Why couldn't it have been done in Donbas?

It was impossible to do that in Donbass. It was necessary to immediately clean up the entire South-East of Ukraine. Maybe even the Hungarians, with the Poles, seized their own under the pretext of protection, and it would even be easier for us. And there would remain a small, eternally stinking enclave of Ukrainians, but by its potential it is no longer interesting to anyone.

[Grits]

Quote: Gato

Why couldn't it have been done in Donbas?

I still hope that it will be so sometime. Only Russian peacekeepers should stand no closer than on the banks of the Dnieper

[Petrik66]

It was Armenia that showed its true face. Russia is saving them from the flight of tens of thousands of Armenians from Karabakh, who will blow up the situation in the "office" of the Armenians, when neither Soros, nor the mighty European Union, nor the United States helped them. But Rashka is to blame again. How are you all "brothers" tired of us ........

[7,62x54]

What's done is done. Now we need to figure out what to do with Zits-Chairman Nikola. It is necessary to punish, as an example to the rest. Otherwise, Armenia will remain in a fever.

[Revolver]

Quote: 7,62x54

Now we need to figure out what to do with Zits-Chairman Nikola. It is necessary to punish, as an example to the rest.

On stake.

[voyaka uh]

It turned out that the military strategy and tactics of Azerbaijan were absolutely correct.
They achieved victory by technical military superiority. We won with small losses in personnel and negligible losses in equipment.

[Cron]

Quote: voyaka uh

In any case, they don't wave their hands after a fight. Peace to both nations, and that our peacekeepers return from there safe and sound.

How do you know about small losses in the same manpower? This does not happen, but they are smaller as a result of the use of Idlib gurias in the form of meat and little resistance of the Armenians, but still.

[voyaka uh]

In the last week, Azerbaijan's losses were greater than in all previous months. In the mountains - battles on the way and during the assault on Shushi. But this is inevitable in such an area. In general, the losses are small.

[Rubina]

And in the first few days, a lot of people were blown up by mines until they went deep. The Kingdom of heaven

[Vadim237]

Well, now they will buy from Israel howitzers of the Iron domes of the Arrow missile defense system, Spikes of the Lor shock drones, mortars, and so on.

[voyaka uh]

Maybe. Even the Israeli army did not have such a massive combat check of Israeli weapons.
It became clear what still needs to be worked on, what to improve. Well, your own small air defense / missile defense will also have to be redone.

[Petro_tut]

It was already, in the Beck valley

[Skarpzd]

about losses on both sides is still a mystery.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

It turned out that the military strategy and tactics of Azerbaijan were absolutely correct.
They achieved victory by technical military superiority. We won with small losses in personnel and negligible losses in equipment.

They won not thanks to your little Israeli apparatus, but because Someone allowed them to win. Waiting for everyone to understand everything, calm down, realize and you can stop everything.

[voyaka uh]

"because Someone allowed them to win" ///
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I like your explanation!
It is universal, suitable for everything in the world.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

I like your explanation!

Me too.
...I am humble

[tralflot1832]

It seems that 5 + 2 was immediately announced to Pashinyan. They were just waiting for it to come to them that this was the best option.

[open]

[quote = MTN] [quote = OrangeBigg] Betrayal. That's why the Americans put Pashinyan in power to merge Karabakh, which he coped with. [/ quote]
They did not lose because they betrayed ........ although there is probably some truth, they lost because they were not ready for this war. No way. Papers and documents from the UN and OSCE were on the side of Azerbaijan. The strength of the army was on the side of Azerbaijan. The money to wage the war was also on the side of Azerbaijan. And the main thing is the neutrality of Russia, which means that Russia was on the side of Azerbaijan.


They lost because they were wrong and God was not on their side.

[Cottager452]

No one doubts which side Russia is on. I don't understand what Armenia’s position will now be in the future if Pashinyan is overthrown and radicals come to power.

[Petro_tut]

And they will come, or have already come

[maktub]

Yesterday in the morning in Ulyanovsk they saw off the convoy to the NGO (minuses were crammed)
In the evening the helicopter was shot down (???)
Peacekeepers are being brought in today
Everything was agreed in advance
One thing is not clear why it was necessary to shoot down the helicopter (put pressure on Baku, legitimize the entry of troops) ???

[_Ugene_]

Nikol Pashinyan signed a shameful surrender, preventing the army from fighting

good already, the warriors fought, the Azerbaijanis were preparing for the war and the Armenians rode on the Maidans, that's the result

[babylon]

An interesting geopolitical game,
And Armenia paid for its color revolution, its owners did not even lift a finger.

[Cottager452]

Do you remember historical analogies?

[flicker]

And Armenia paid for its color revolution

Or rather, for believing the West, which promised to recognize Karabakh.
And since the West recognizes Karabakh as independent, then one can not prepare for the defense of Karabakh, one can turn away from Russia (for the sake of the West, which will necessarily recognize Karabakh).
---
Well, the West recognized Karabakh, as it promised to the Armenian diaspora, the Armenian diaspora, which largely ruled the policy of Armenia to please this West.

[grafskayapristan]

Again, Putin did not please the political scammers and the domestic liberal rag-tag. But the president made a decisive, most importantly, timely step to appease the idiots. Well, he has no equal in politics, in public administration, for this reason the liberals jump out of their pants.

[Cottager452]

Look around you, the janissaries have already lowered their trousers.

[Pilot]

Quote: Summer Resident452

Look around you, the janissaries have already lowered their trousers.

He will cover the rear hemisphere with amendments, perhaps they will withstand the onslaught of the janissaries.

[flicker]

The main thing is that they stopped the war.
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Further, to cool down, to comprehend what happened: the same result could have been obtained without the death of so many Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

[Alsur]

Quote: Cosm22

It's not a problem to put Gavrik.
And did anyone think about the attitude of ordinary Armenians to Russia in the future? After all, now for a long time in their minds will be postponed the fact that Russia actually abandoned it at a critical moment. There are many good reasons why this happened, but the fact remains. And the Armenians will remember him.
As for the results of the company, I announced them a week earlier.
Armenia surrendered outright, Azerbaijan won a convincing victory.
In addition, Russia has weakened its influence in this region, while Turkey, on the contrary, has strengthened.
One should not flatter ourselves about the Russian peacekeeping contingent. We remember that in 4 years and 4 months it can be withdrawn at the unilateral request of Azerbaijan. Russia, of course, can be stubborn.
But who knows what will happen in this region in general in 4 years? How will the balance of power develop?

Russia has never taken on the responsibility of severing Karabakh in favor of Armenia, Armenia has made all this mess on its own. And if the Armenians want to make Russia guilty, they cannot be stopped. I think Armenia has arrogantly failed to use the negotiating table for 30 years and did not prepare for war. Well, of course Russia is to blame, but how could it be otherwise. Not France with the late Charles Aznavour, not the USA with Kimberly Noel Kardashian West.

[Skarpzd]

I know Charles. and who is kimberly?

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Azerbaijan destroyed C 300 Armenians in Armenia itself shot down our helicopter, well, this is how our plane was shot down Turks, our ambassador to Turkey This is the policy of the Kremlin. air defense units Tor based on Kamaz one Tor Azerbaijan has destroyed there is a video reminded how in Libya the Shell was destroyed drove into the garage and destroyed

[Cottager452]

There is a cart and a small cart in the Pashinyan warehouse. Now they will choose with a dusky slant and rushed ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

AZ's victory is expected and well-deserved, so what is there to rub?
The Armenians did everything according to the textbook "How to ... get along in full" (translated from Ukrainian).
And these tearful grimaces

Nikol Pashinyan signed a shameful surrender, preventing the army from fighting ... that 40 thousand soldiers of the Armenian army itself did not leave their barracks.

just a pitiful excuse for a loser. Yes, they would break it off, just, like, the commander-in-chief (according to the Armenian constitution, I hope the president = supreme?) Was not in the know, yeah ... But this one

Armenian Military Portal resource

it is necessary to retrain into something culinary ... for example, "Armenian Churchkhela Portal".

call the situational rapprochement of Greece, Armenia and Cyprus "an alliance of losers"

Well, what, it is.

[Alexfly]

Come on, guys, take a position and do not fiddle around, as in Ossetia, to answer in a crowd and to everyone, all sorts of "Napoleontiks" to press on the vine like fleas .. Airborne Forces forward!

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Direct example of ukram in Donbass?

[yfast]

Armenians will now begin to actively protest, it is safer than to fight and die. “Bring Karabakh back,” they will shout for a couple of months. Maybe they will also spit out our base on the sly.

[Grits]

Quote: yfast

Maybe they will also spit out our base on the sly.

Then you will have to ride in other places - Armenia will no longer be there

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: MTN

And you will forgive the mistake with the helicopter. From now on they will be more attentive! And our deepest condolences to the families. They died (((((((

Lord, how touching ... It will probably be much easier for the victims and their families !!!
Yes, there are mistakes, but you must be able to answer for mistakes, especially when people die as a result of mistakes.
Hence the question:
1. How long will the perpetrators be brought before the tribunal?
2. What punishment awaits the perpetrators?
3. Does your phrase mean "From now on they will be more attentive"that the guilty at best will be mildly chided for inattention?

[Archivist Vasya]

What can I say - the events of recent days have been developing rapidly, there are a lot of questions about the downed helicopter, the hastily introduced peacekeepers, as well as the conclusion of peace.
What we have, in fact, as I see it:
1) Armenia lost, the reason for this is the mediocre training of the army as a whole, the lack of modern air defense and electronic warfare, and I'm not talking about its own drones. Naturally lost areas.
2) Accordingly, Azerbaijan has successfully won on all fronts, not without losses by itself. A brilliant tactical solution is to use the An-2 to open the old air defense system. Preparing for war in advance - drones have proven to be extremely effective. And now there is also a political victory - peace on extremely favorable terms + bonus destruction of our Mi-24, which pushed us to a profitable peace. Since all of Karabakh at a time will be difficult for Azerbaijanis to keep. And so they bit off a little, digested, when the peacekeepers leave, they will bite off more.
3) Well, in this situation we married the guy who, with good intentions, separating the fighters also gets in the face. They suffered losses without really deploying the contingent. Tactically, the death of a helicopter is a miscalculation of the command! Old Mi-24, without any bells and whistles, missile attack detection systems, etc. I accompanied the column alone. Flew quieter than water below the radar - why? Who was hiding from? We are not at war with Azerbaijan. What prevented us from discussing this moment via the military communications channel. Whoever writes there that the distance to the DB zone is 150 km, this is so, but the border with Azerbaijan is only 1 km away !!! Yes, this distance will just go to the helicopter turn, nothing at all, very close! Here is the map:

As a result, the provocation was a success. Have you really forgotten the Su-24 and Turkey? Or they guessed and asked to fly lower, maybe they will. They made a sacrifice for the sake of peace, that's the impression ...

[ficus2003]

With the Mi-24, this is either a provocation or amateurishness of the local Russian military, in any case, they will most likely try to sing and forget so as not to reveal unpleasant reasons that could cost someone a career, because they seem to have learned how to behave in Syria in order to avoid losses and in Armenia we act as if now the devastation of the 90s.

[KreAtiF]

Who threw in the temnik that it was not by chance that the helicopter was shot down, so many people talk about it? If they were preparing specially, then they knew the route of the convoy and the presence of air cover from the side of Nakhichevan, given the fact that this is not a combat zone! That is, the Old has already been thrown off, so an investigation is necessary! And if by chance, Azerbaijan apologized with compensation. So here are the options for special shooting down 1 :) the route was sold by someone from the knowledgeable of the Armenian armed forces (most likely they were warned). And the second option, the Armenians were not warned, then someone from the Russian Federation sold it. Once again, I emphasize this is not a border outfit that patrols and everything is known, it was a convoy going from point A to point B.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

This is not the end, this is just the beginning.
How many more provocations there will be on both sides, and our Russian soldiers will pay in blood ...

[Naughty]

As a Russian, I am more concerned about the question And with a downed turntable, how? After all, this is probably the work of the Turkish military, of which there is immeasurable I think the GDP will make Aliyev admit that he did not control this incident And the Turks carried it out. This is the MAIN THING! There are no winners there Both those and others in a few hours agreed to all the proposed GDP What magic words he put into the head of Aliyev and Pashik, of course, we will not know when But with our turntable, I will repeat myself as a Russian, I really want to know how it will all end

[ficus2003]

Quote: MTN

I don’t know about everyone, personally I am glad that Russian and Turkish peacekeepers will be there.

As for the Turkish ones, it is not clear, Peskov evasively said that the Turkish peacekeepers were not mentioned in the agreement, and Aliyev says they will. Wait and see.

[Dmitriy66]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Dmitriy66

how do you write something differently here, in another branch you are more aggressive, confused the manual?

Dima, I always write fairly. Yes, I'm not very emotional, but I never liked deception. And if someone offended or hurt, goodbye friends.

It is not necessary to be rude, I am singular.
py.sy. on another thread, read the answers under your comments, you will learn a lot about yourself.

[Growlers]

There is no need to hide the Greek true face - benefit and only benefit. So whose cow is mooing and the Greek is better off keeping quiet

[Cat]

Any defeat is a guarantee of future victories. And vice versa. And this war will never end, at least until these brawlers become part of the third power (or powers).

[Stepan53274]

Quote: Skarpzd

why is it unknown? Armenians are quite deliberately turned towards the West. the fact that they are in the CSTO does not mean anything at all.

If Armenia had not been in the ODKB, then it would have ceased to exist, because the lies that the Armenians spread throughout the world about the time when there was a war with Turkey - presenting it as genocide and vilifying the Turks in the eyes of the whole world - they would remember this lie in the form of a military attacks from Turkey.

[Xenopus]

But in fact, by and large, the Armenians give up the occupied territories of the "security belt" and no one will expel them from Nagorno-Karabakh. They can live peacefully behind the backs of peacekeepers.

[TatarinSSSR]

On the side and on the Armenians and Azerbaijanis. If only Russian soldiers, peacekeepers, did not begin to die now because of the showdown of these two countries.

[Bobik012]

Quote: musorg

Turkish people will not be there, they have been deleted from the list!

- Petrov, will you sign up for a group session?
- And who is involved?
- Me, you, and your wife.
- Nooo !!!
- Then I cross you out ... (anegdot)

I took Kleptunov off the run! (quote)

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Why is there a base in Gyumri at all? And what about the border guards on the Armenian-Iranian border? Catching drug couriers? So in Iran they are hung on wheel cranes, and with the people ... In Moscow in the spring of 15 people a day from the virus died, now 75. Maybe with this money it is better to build hospitals than to organize temporary huts in expo centers ???

[Skai]

Why the hell do we get involved with our peacekeepers in other people's wars, don't we feel sorry for our sons? and then, as with Georgia in 2008, our peacekeepers will have to take the first blow. The Turks will not be satisfied with what they have achieved.

[lvov_aleksey]

I don't want a war there, what's new - the USSR? Young people do not understand, Turkey will still apologize a lot if their MANPADS was, as with our Sushka !!!!!

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Petr Vladimirovich

Why is there a base in Gyumri at all? And what about the border guards on the Armenian-Iranian border? Catching drug couriers? So in Iran they are hung on wheel cranes, and with the people ... In Moscow in the spring of 15 people a day from the virus died, now 75. Maybe with this money it is better to build hospitals than to organize temporary huts in expo centers ???

you're a dumbass - there's no cure for this!

[hermit]

The essence of most comments: 1. Whatever Russia does, it is always right. 2. If Russia is wrong, see point 1. There are few NATO members in the Baltic states and Ukraine, so now there will also be Turks in Azerbaijan. However, one cannot expect anything else from the current leadership of the Russian Federation.

[Azimuth]

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Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It seems that part of the Azerbaijani military did not want peace and committed a provocation, d
I'm breaking down the negotiations.

You exaggerate the role of the army too much, even in Turkey they broke its back, but in Azerbaijan I think it never existed in this regard. With a high degree of probability, their army is as impotent in politics as ours.

Azerbaijan is localism. Nakhichevan, where there was a corps, and now a separate combined arms army, is the Aliyevs’ patrimony; it is unlikely that anyone there will even make a utterance against Aliyev’s decision.
The special forces of the Azerbaijanis, judging by the videos on the network, were trained by the Turks, many traditions of the Turkish army were adopted, they could theoretically break off something similar, but judging by the reports of the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, the special forces from Nakhichevan were transferred to Karabakh to storm the same Shushi .

So, most likely, our crocodile was indeed mistaken for Armenian and as a sign of the Armenian advance on Nakhichevan in retaliation for the losses in Karabakh.

[Azimuth]

Quote: yfast

Armenians will now begin to actively protest, it is safer than to fight and die. “Bring Karabakh back,” they will shout for a couple of months. Maybe they will also spit out our base on the sly.

Already... And obviously it’s not a matter of a couple of months now... As I understand, the brain has finally turned in an anti-Russian way. No one will remember that we hastily supplied them with additional weapons literally before the start of hostilities, and no one will remember that we had flights to Yerevan.
In the morning I tried to communicate with Armenians at work, but it would have been better not to have done this. Even our Russian Armenians, who were born here in more than one generation, who do not speak Armenian, still insist that Russia betrayed Armenia, there is anger from practically everyone. I ask if they gave me weapons - they confirm, I ask if there were flights to Armenia - they confirm, I ask why they didn’t go and fight, they only hiss in response - Russia betrayed Armenia... I ask why I should, for example, go and fight instead of them in response They ask - why do you hate Armenia so much?!...

The Azerbaijanis, as I understand it, believe that it was Russia’s position that prevented them from liberating their lands, and it was our help to the Armenians that allowed them to seize Azerbaijani lands. Türkiye is “our everything” now for them. Nobody remembers that the Azerbaijanis were given most of the weapons of the ZakVO units, and they, having an advantage in both weapons and human resources, ended the war themselves.

In short, Russia is entirely to blame.

The only dangerous thing is the way the Armenian Nazis hiss and what they will do, but for them it’s not just “Russia is to blame,” but already “Russia is a traitor and an enemy!” The Nazis are talking some kind of gobbledygook of anti-Semitism and naturally anti-Turkish theses. I think there is a risk that in the actions of the most radical part of them, this will result either in attacks on our peacekeepers and military personnel, or, God forbid, more - terrorist attacks and attacks on them in Armenia.

[Andrey Krasnoyarsky]

Oh, these Western media. While Russia did not intervene in the conflict, they shouted that Moscow was pitting Armenia and Azerbaijan against each other and provoking a war. When peace is concluded through the mediation of Russia, they shout that Moscow is a terrible aggressor. No matter what Russia does, everything is bad. I have long had the impression that in the West freedom of speech is understood as freedom of slander and propaganda nonsense.

[Simfy]

Quote: Gunter Preen

"Accidents are not accidental" - said Oogway. The perpetrators must be accused of terrorism and extradited to Russia.

Perhaps a little later a bus will fall into the gorge... with border guards

[Alkatrass A]

After an organized and, apparently, planned surrender in Artsakh, experts of different minds and values ​​rushed together in search of heroes and the guilty. Moreover, according to the old Russian tradition, with the requirement to punish the innocent and reward the unworthy. The hero, of course, is Russia, which stopped the hostilities. However, they had to be stopped immediately after the cluster bombing of Stepanakert. And if not stop, then send equipment and military experts. The whining about fraternal Azerbaijan and the Third World War with the Turks is sent straight to the toilet. In North Vietnam, for example, nothing prevented us from helping with technicians and specialists. But the United States was involved there and not indirectly, but directly. Everyone in the world knew about our help to the Vietnamese and somehow survived nothing. Tell your wives and mistresses about the lack of recognition of Artsakh as something that hinders support. Crimea is not recognized, LDNR too, but the entire Baltic region in the world was considered occupied by the USSR. Who cared about this? You do not justify your own impotence by fatigue at work, please. Speak directly: today, elite capital decides everything. Capital is not just money, it is power and resources of power, and money is only a convenient instrument with one hundred percent liquidity. Previously, we could fit anywhere based on ideology. We carried communism and helped the oppressed. Now we have zero ideas and zero ideology. If the oppressed people have no attendants, then I'm sorry. This is the logic. Statements about the fact that the Armenians did not beg us well, did not kneel enough, did not swear allegiance enough, the evil Soros dug in there - leave it for the curators from the Old Square. It will ride there.

[Vadim_888]

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Vadim_888
3 October 2020 21: 02
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Experts: Erdogan is going to fight on four fronts, it could end badly for him
So I try to wanganut:
1. Who will lose - of course Pashinyan, for Azerbaijan will cut off part of the territory of Artsakh-Karabakh.
2. Who will win - Aliyev turning the return of part of the territory under his control into an appearance of victory.
- Moscow, returning Armenia to the wake of pro-Russian politics after Pashinyan's resignation
- Turkey, having strengthened its positions in Arzeibajan and began penetrating into Central Asia

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