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Don't die out, Russia!

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Optimizers are losing optimism



An operational report of the Accounts Chamber on the execution of the federal budget indicates a significant increase in the natural decline in the population in Russia. In 2020, it increased by more than 2019 percent compared to the same period in 30 and amounted to 316 people.

However, the author could not find any harsh wording in the report of the Accounts Chamber of Russia on checking the national project "Healthcare" published the other day. But the conclusion, nevertheless, literally suggests itself. It seems that the country's main control body, in its own way, assessed the frightening increase in mortality in the country - as a complete failure of optimized medicine.

The operational report and the local report on the national project are different documents, but their connection is too noticeable. Yes, while the auditors of the department, which is “successfully” headed by Alexei Kudrin, are not talking about the current pandemic crisis, when it is customary to say mostly good things about doctors.

But I do not rule out that publishing now information about the demographic catastrophe, you cannot say otherwise - we are simply being prepared for the worst. In the Accounts Chamber, the demographic situation in the country was mildly called “unfavorable”.

A decrease in the number of births was noted in 78 constituent entities of the Russian Federation, while in 62 regions the number of deaths increased. In general, from January to July 2020, the number of deaths was almost 40 percent higher than the number of births. A year ago, the excess was only 20 percent - the regression is obvious.

Nowadays, few people believe that the statistics will be at least somewhat better on the way out of the pandemic. In the meantime, the Accounts Chamber only checked the implementation of the national project "Health" in 2019.

That is, when the notorious optimization of medicine with the liquidation of hundreds of hospitals and the unification of polyclinics, which are often left without narrow-profile specialists, it would seem, has already become a thing of the past.

However, the consequences of this did not become less severe. Now, as follows from the report of the RF Joint Venture, even very solid investments in the national project "Healthcare" work poorly.

And this has become the norm in our country for a long time, since the time of Dmitry Medvedev's deputy premiership. We will remind that once the ex-president and ex-prime minister was in charge of only four national projects, including those on healthcare.

In principle, giving a lot of money for something extremely important is a good practice. But alas, this money now, after the medicine has been optimized on a large scale, most likely outside the framework of the national project, can hardly help.

In the context of the global onset of Covid-19, even 100 percent fulfillment of the planned targets of the national project for one specific year is unlikely to help. But the pandemic happened already this year, and the most terrible mortality figures are still waiting for us, but for now we will return to 2019.

In this already half-forgotten "peaceful 19 th year", according to a completely objective assessment of the subordinates of Alexei Kudrin, the Russian Ministry of Health successfully failed the implementation of the national project, the funding of which amounted to 86 billion rubles.

Not so much according to current realities, although it was originally planned to spend even 89 billion. However, whether the underfunding of only three billion can serve as an excuse for the implementers of the national project is, in my opinion, a rhetorical question.

But in the report of the RF JV, the wording sounds much softer - the medical department “failed to achieve the fulfillment of six of the 15 indicators of the national project in 2019”. But even among these six indicators, the auditors were not even embarrassed most of all, but, it seems, were seriously frightened by the complete absence of any positive regarding mortality in the country.

Already in 2019, there was no talk of a decrease in mortality in Russia as a whole, and specifically, neither the mortality rate of the working-age population nor mortality from diseases of the circulatory system - the most severe in this regard for the elderly population - did not decrease.

People care what they die from


It cannot be said that they are hiding something from us: the data, which fully correspond with the information from the RF JV, were also published by government sources. For example, it has already been reported there that in the context of the coronavirus pandemic, the death rate per thousand people since the beginning of 2020 was higher than in the same period in 2019. 3,4 percent.

Moreover, for the period from April to September, 128 thousand so-called excess deaths were officially registered in Russia. And only 30 thousand of them are due to the confirmed Covid-19.

Meanwhile, in the opinion on the national medical project published by the Accounting Chamber, it is noted that according to the plan it was required, more precisely - it was instructed to achieve a decrease in the mortality rate of the working-age population to 437 per 100 thousand population. And this for a year, that same 2019.

But to instruct is, as you know, not always to fulfill. In reality, this figure actually amounted to 482,8 deaths per 100 thousand. It is not very pleasant to see tenths of a percent or a person here, but let's make allowances for the peculiarities of national statistics.

Diseases of the circulatory system also continued to claim the lives of Russians by no means at the pace required by the implementation of the national project. According to this article, instead of the planned reduction in mortality, an unpleasant growth is noted. The indicator has already risen to 583,1 people per 100 thousand of the population, while earlier it was 545 per 100 thousand.

Here are a few more edited quotes from the RF JV report:

It was expected to reduce hospital mortality from myocardial infarction to 11,7%, but the figure was 12,4%. According to plans from the national project, mortality in medical institutions from acute cerebrovascular accident should have decreased to 17,6%, but in the end it turned out to be at the level of 18,6%.

... The reduction in mortality from neoplasms, including malignant tumors (as you understand, oncological diseases - author), according to the plan should have been 199,5 per 100 thousand, but in fact it turned out to be 203 per 100 thousand of the population.

... They did not reach the planned increase in the proportion of neoplasms detected in the early stages - according to the plan, the indicator should have been at the level of 57,9%, but in fact it was 57,4%.

It is clear that the reader will certainly ask what the billions that were allocated for the implementation of the ambitious national project were spent? I don’t presume to say it directly, but definitely not on rewards for medical officials.

Where such confidence? Yes, again - from the data of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. They also managed to understand not only the costs of those responsible for the national project, but also the income of these specialized departments. And according to the data given in the last report of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, it turns out that they all exceeded the planned targets, not just in terms of expenses, but in terms of income.

Where does this income come from?


In this regard, the "excellent students" are the Ministry of Health, the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare, and the Federal Medical and Biological Agency (FMBA). It would seem that the optimization of medicine has begun to give results. Moreover, if we consider it from the standpoint of effective management, the result is simply enviable.

Thus, the excess of the income of the Ministry of Health over its expenses was the highest - 185,7%. Others are also at the level - more than 100%. Only the author, again, is unable to understand why, in the presence of a whole bunch of unsolved problems, having a number of programs and a national project financed almost 100 percent, none of the specialized departments was able to fulfill the costs in full?

Sorry for the insolence - is it really only because all departments stubbornly clamped down on salaries - and not only to officials, but also to medical practitioners themselves.

The head of the RF JV Alexei Kudrin - the current chief controller of the country - is, let someone try to challenge this conclusion, just one of the optimizers of a number of economic sectors. And along with them also the branches of the social sphere. At the head of the Ministry of Finance, he did not increase, year after year, and in most cases reduced the cost of medicine - this fact does not need proof.

In fact, it's hard for me to understand why medical optimizers have begun to be appointed so consistently to the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. After all, before Kudrin, the chairman there was a long-term head of the Ministry of Health and Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova, who later also managed to find a number of problems and violations in state programs related to medicine, at the highest post in the RF JV.

It remains to be recalled that back in the same 2019, the Accounts Chamber already received information about how poorly the well-known decree of Russian President Vladimir Putin is being carried out. One that directly provided for an almost universal increase in the salaries of medical workers.

Then, just over a year ago, the Minister of Healthcare Veronika Skvortsova confidently reported on the implementation of the national medical project and a number of departmental programs, including salary programs. She stated that “there is no need to talk about the disruption of the program,” although the salaries of medical workers, according to the RF JV, were not immediately increased in 50 out of 85 regions of Russia. And this is contrary to the decree of the head of state.

Sadly, but 2020, with its Covid-19 pandemic, has endowed us with a continuation of the unpleasant trend, when doctors and nurses, including those from the ambulance, both in capitals and in the field have repeatedly been denied overtime allowances and dangerous work related to the fight against the coronavirus.

There is no doubt that the coronavirus quarantine year coming to an end will also give us all sorts of sad statistics. However, not all articles of such statistics can be easily attributed to the consequences, I would like to hope that it is precisely the consequences of the Covid-19 pandemic.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 11 November 2020 15: 03
    21
    That is, when the notorious optimization of medicine with the liquidation of hundreds of hospitals and the unification of polyclinics, which are often left without narrow-profile specialists, it would seem, has already become a thing of the past.

    And where landings, shootings .. for this act .. somebody punished the authors of the optimizers?
    But this is a very serious problem and "patriots" in power must understand that this is a priority .. Therefore, we can conclude that the policy is deliberate .. otherwise, those responsible should be punished severely.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 November 2020 15: 11
      10
      Quote: Svarog
      the notorious optimization of medicine
      1. Machito
        Machito 11 November 2020 15: 52
        16
        After optimizing medicine, the government pursues a policy of optimizing the population.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 11 November 2020 18: 24
          10
          Quote: Bearded
          After optimizing medicine, the government pursues a policy of optimizing the population.

          This is called recycling. The country has turned into a ghetto with an unnecessary population that needs to be taught. to heal, to maintain the infrastructure, we have become a ballast for those in power.
          And if someone is interested, then you can analyze at least the official data of the Rosstat and it will immediately become clear how the indigenous population is dying out.
          1. Machito
            Machito 11 November 2020 18: 42
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Bearded
            After optimizing medicine, the government pursues a policy of optimizing the population.

            This is called recycling. The country has turned into a ghetto with an unnecessary population that needs to be taught. to heal, to maintain the infrastructure, we have become a ballast for those in power.
            And if someone is interested, then you can analyze at least the official data of the Rosstat and it will immediately become clear how the indigenous population is dying out.

            And Big Moscow is a large ghetto awaiting another epidemic.
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 30
          11
          Quote: Bearded
          After optimizing medicine, the government pursues a policy of optimizing the population.

          And moreover, quite successfully ... It is bitter to realize that we are dying out ...
      2. marchcat
        marchcat 11 November 2020 15: 58
        +9
        How would we not "lose" the older generation at all, because after 65 years of age it is not possible to see a doctor. So think about where these statistics come from.
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 11 November 2020 17: 33
        14
        So they slipped from one of the best Soviet medicine to the level of "Extinction". what
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 11 November 2020 17: 26
      +7
      A colleague, a "self-imprisoning" criminal - that would be nonsense. bully
    3. Financier
      Financier 11 November 2020 23: 36
      +6
      Don't die out, Russia!

      A good call, but it is not possible to fulfill it in our reality.
      Quote: Svarog
      Who punished the authors of the optimizers?

      What kind of punishment can we talk about if all optimization is authorized by the authorities?
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 46
        19
        Quote: Financier
        What kind of punishment can we talk about

        On punishment in the form of appropriation of state awards wink
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 51
          14
          I would have punished differently. I would have remembered the "iron grip"
      2. Chervonny
        Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 50
        15
        Quote: Financier
        A good call, but it is not possible to fulfill it in our reality.

        With this system, no. Only under Soviet power can the population of our country increase.
      3. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 31
        +9
        Quote: Financier
        is all optimization allowed by the authorities?

        Everyone sees it, everyone knows it, but United Russia always wins elections ...
      4. stariy
        stariy 16 November 2020 19: 26
        0
        Quote: Financier
        A good call, but it is not possible to fulfill it in our reality.

        we just did not fit into the market
  2. Rumblings
    Rumblings 11 November 2020 15: 09
    +4
    The main thing is that the Power does not decide to suddenly replace us with Other people
    We are the indigenous peoples of Russia, and there are never any Armenians or Azerbaijanis and others in the indigenous peoples! You have your own homeland.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 12 November 2020 08: 16
      +3
      On July 24, amendments to the law on Russian citizenship came into force, simplifying the procedure for obtaining Russian citizenship for foreign citizens.

      Now, in order to acquire Russian citizenship, foreigners will not have to renounce their previous citizenship.

      The procedure was simplified for citizens of Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova and Ukraine. Now, upon receiving a residence permit in the Russian Federation, they will immediately be able to apply for citizenship. You no longer need to comply with the condition of a five-year residence permit in the Russian Federation.

      The procedure for obtaining Russian citizenship for foreign citizens who graduated from Russian universities has also been simplified. Now, to apply for citizenship, graduates need to officially work in Russia for only one year instead of three.

      In addition, now the following will be able to apply for Russian citizenship in a simplified manner without observing the term of residence:

      foreign citizens whose children are adult citizens of the Russian Federation;
      foreign citizens who are married to citizens of the Russian Federation, living in Russia and having common children in marriage;
      foreign citizens, one of whose parents has Russian citizenship and lives in the Russian Federation.
  3. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 November 2020 15: 17
    17
    Now the pocket media will begin to explain that the monstrous acceleration of the extinction of the population of our Motherland (in 6 months the growth was 30%) is associated with Covid 19, or the rays reflected from Pluto, or the machinations of the damned State Department.
    But the bitter truth is that mediocrity governing our country live in their own, alternative world, where everything is just wonderful.
    On the slides of beautiful presentations, viewed daily by officials, the people are already living under communism.
    That's how we live.
    Some have liquid soup, while others have small pearls.

    https://m.tsargrad.tv/shows/massovye-smerti-v-rossii-pacientam-prosto-otkazyvajut-v-prave-na-zhizn_296747
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 November 2020 15: 23
      +8
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      That's how we live.
      Some have liquid soup, while others have small pearls.

      This is still Leo Tolstoy said
      The people are hungry because we are too full
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 November 2020 02: 34
        +2
        Hello hello hi
        "A full belly is deaf to someone else's grief." (FROM)
        "When I eat, I am deaf and dumb." (FROM)
    2. Alex 2020
      Alex 2020 11 November 2020 16: 07
      +6
      Our bosses say, I don't care that the technique is old, the main thing is that the photos are beautiful for the report)
  4. Gato
    Gato 11 November 2020 15: 18
    18
    Medicine is medicine, but the school arithmetic course tells me that for growth population, every woman must have at least three children. Two is just reproduction, one is contraction. Do we have many families with three children?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 November 2020 15: 21
      15
      Quote: Gato
      Do we have many families with three children?

      I would put the question differently .. Why do we have so few families with three or more children? The answer will lead to state policy ... and to the capitalist model of government ...
      1. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 15: 40
        +8
        The answer is deeper, somewhere from the middle of the last century, the Russian countryside began to die out, simultaneously with the beginning of the degeneration of the CPSU. Urban culture is initially not ready for reproduction and works like a primitive pump from the province. And I have nothing to say about today.
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 11 November 2020 17: 27
          +6
          I recently looked at statistics on the Altai Territory since 1900. The rural population began to decline since 1926.
      2. unaha
        unaha 11 November 2020 15: 46
        +7
        Hardly. The answer directly leads to urbanization, the growth of education and the well-being of women, first of all. The state structure model is completely secondary here. Raising 3 or more children is a difficult task in any system.
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 16: 14
          +5
          You're right. My parents are from Vyatka villages. The father's family has six children, the mother - five. They raised 11 children without problems, not counting the military and post-war famine (they lived in hunger - that's more accurate). From each family in the village there was one left, both, for various reasons, did not have children. The rest of the city, all together, gave birth to us brothers and sisters of 10 people.
        2. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 11 November 2020 17: 31
          +7
          My wife and I have three born in 1978, 1981 and 1984. One is hard, two are the same, but three are already easier. Two received two higher educations. The eldest daughter has one higher education. She didn't want to go further. Eight grandchildren. The eldest granddaughter got married a month ago. The smallest is a year.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 00: 47
            +3
            Quote: _Sergey_
            One is hard, two are the same, but three are already easier.

            Today it is not at all "easier", I have five. They not only have to be fed and clothed, today they also have to be taught by ourselves. And how much it costs to treat them is generally a bad dream, and after all, as soon as one gets sick, everyone immediately starts to get sick.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 12 November 2020 02: 39
              +6
              “Today, for some reason, the young people, the younger generation, have such an understanding that the state owes us everything. No. The state does not owe you anything at all. Your parents owe you, because they gave birth to you. asked you to give birth. " (FROM)

              Such nasty things are spewed out by high-ranking geeks in the cannibalistic "state".
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 12 November 2020 08: 27
                +1
                Quote: lexus
                “Today, for some reason, the young people, the younger generation, have such an understanding that the state owes us everything. No. The state does not owe you anything at all. Your parents owe you, because they gave birth to you. asked you to give birth. " (FROM)

                Such nasty things are spewed out by high-ranking geeks in the cannibalistic "state".

                Unfortunately, not only they ... there are many citizens who are calling not to demand that civil servants fulfill their duties, but to solve all their problems themselves.
                And the question of why then the state in principle is necessary as it is not discussed. Something like the religious turns out - so God gave something.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 12: 23
                  0
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  And the question is why the state, in principle, is needed ...

                  So I ask myself a question more and more often. Is this my state? Do I need this state?
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 12 November 2020 12: 26
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Do I need this state?

                    Yes, with the state so .. that's just the country immediately comes to mind .. although this country already has experience.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 12: 34
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Yes, with the state so .. that's just the country immediately comes to mind .. although this country already has experience.

                      Yes, I have to repeat, nowhere to go. Although earlier I hoped that we can do without it.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 12: 40
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        ... Although I had hoped before that we could do without it.

                        That they voluntarily get off the neck?
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 12: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        That they voluntarily get off the neck?

                        Well, at least without blood. I don't hope so now.
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 12: 44
                        0
                        Considering that no one was sparing or sparing on the hump of the people they climbed, then why will they peacefully give it up?
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 12: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Considering that no one was sparing or sparing on the hump of the people they climbed, then why will they peacefully give it up?

                        If in a town with a population of, say, 50 thousand, 15-20 thousand take to the street, what will they do? And if all over Russia, in the same proportions? With intelligible slogans, not "for all good versus all bad."
                      5. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 13: 04
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If in a town with a population of, say, 50 thousand, 15-20 thousand take to the street,

                        What will motivate them?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        With intelligible slogans, not "for all good versus all bad"

                        Comprehensible slogans imply specific respondents.
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        What will motivate them?

                        It is necessary to work in this direction in order to "push". The trouble is common. No improvement is foreseen.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Comprehensible slogans imply specific respondents.

                        And this is the same, but perhaps not the main thing today. Here it is more likely to start with economic slogans, they are much clearer and, it seems to me, more effective. For example, tariffs for housing and communal services are set by the regions, as far as I know, increasing the bed capacity in medical institutions is the same thing for the regions, as is the purchase of new MRI or mechanical ventilation for hospitals, etc.
                      7. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 13: 18
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Here it is more likely to start with economic slogans, they are much clearer and, it seems to me, more effective.

                        You independently go through all the stages of the social democratic doctrine ...
                      8. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 13: 24
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You independently go through all the stages of the social democratic doctrine ...

                        I have to remember the Soviet school curriculum in my old age)))
                      9. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 13: 32
                        0
                        Well, here the school will not do it ..
                      10. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 13: 38
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Well, here the school will not do it ..

                        Lack of time, does not allow yet to take on V.I. Lenin, I still want to read his "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Development of Capitalism." But to dialectics, I don’t even know how to approach.
                      11. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 13: 51
                        0
                        Yes, the time is like that. Here and the Soviet history of the CPSU is not quite that, and maybe not at all. Although you are now just at the level of the 19th century - this is about economic slogans ... Here like "Capital" is appropriate.
                      12. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 14: 33
                        0
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Here like "Capital" to the place.

                        May be. But he's big and scary smile Nevertheless, I think that dialectics, as a science, is the basis and the key to understanding such complex things.
                      13. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 12 November 2020 14: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        But he's big and scary

                        Now you can probably find a "short course" - because there the fundamental principle is considered.
  • Strannik96
    Strannik96 11 November 2020 15: 51
    +3
    Your answers are like lectures of the knowledge society. The answer lies in the cell of society - politics is in the head of the husband and wife, and not in apartments or money. Our people used to live in barracks under Soviet rule and gave birth to 3 or more children and lived in cramped quarters, but it was good, our corridor was full of children in the evening - we played with each other, it was fun. And now they give money and loans for an apartment, but they don't want children - that is, life for themselves, and even parents support - live for yourself, we have suffered, so at least you live and corrupt your children. You first ask yourself - how many children do I have?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 November 2020 15: 55
      14
      Quote: Strannik96
      Your answers are like lectures of the knowledge society. The answer lies in the cell of society - politics is in the head of the husband and wife, and not in apartments or money. Our people used to live in barracks under Soviet rule and gave birth to 3 or more children and lived in cramped quarters, but it was good, our corridor was full of children in the evening - we played with each other, it was fun. And now they give money and loans for an apartment, but they don't want children - that is, life for themselves, and even parents support - live for yourself, we have suffered, so at least you live and corrupt your children. You first ask yourself - how many children do I have?

      I have three of my own and one genetically not mine, that is, four.
      You described everything correctly in your comment, except for the details, but you have a problem with the conclusion .. And the conclusion is simple, a woman is ready to give birth when she is confident in the future ... and a man too .. Now no one is sure of anything, today there is income, tomorrow it may not be there .. and a goodbye mortgage apartment, and for one and the money invested in it .. And the level of salary is such that it is very difficult to put one child fully on his feet, not to mention three ..
      And under capitalism it cannot be otherwise ...
      1. unaha
        unaha 11 November 2020 16: 23
        +3
        All these reasons are of course important, but also secondary. The main one is a change in attitude towards life. When (if) there is an opportunity to live for themselves, the majority does just that. The approach will not change the type of state system.
        1. Gato
          Gato 11 November 2020 17: 25
          +4
          live for yourself

          Yes, it looks like that. Humanity is slipping into autism.
    2. unaha
      unaha 11 November 2020 16: 18
      +2
      Why should I ask myself? I have 3, I'm not a theorist. And yes, I would not advise my own.
  • Gato
    Gato 11 November 2020 17: 06
    +5
    to the capitalist model of government

    I agree, but partially. Socialized Scandinavia has the same problems, but the same problems, for example, in Iran.
    In our country, an urban family with 1-2 children became the norm even during the Soviet era. For example, among my classmates (32 people) in the late 70s, only three had brothers or sisters. There were no families with 3 children at all.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 12 November 2020 09: 17
      -1
      In the Russian Federation, the level of population reproduction is 1,70. In swe - 1.90; fin-1.77; nor-1.82 .. so in Scandinavia there is less of a problem, despite the fact that they do not have regions with fertility such as our Caucasus .. And in Europe, by this coefficient, many countries are overtaking us .. so, what you voiced is not the only reason for sure. . in capitalist New Zealand 2,13, in Iceland 1,98 ..
      These are more honest numbers, and not the total number of adults who received citizenship, of which, for example, we have several million over the past 5 years ..
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 November 2020 15: 36
    11
    Quote: Gato
    Medicine is medicine, but the school arithmetic course tells me that for growth population, every woman must have at least three children. Two is just reproduction, one is contraction. Do we have many families with three children?

    I spoke about this here a year ago. But ... And what does medicine have to do with it? Bad medicine is premature death. And population growth is fertility. Why don't our women want to give birth? Who would call a woman smart if she, living in a one-room apartment, decides to have a second child? I'm not talking about the third. And in order to buy a two-room apartment, she and her husband have to give themselves up to the bank. And that's not all. There is also such a thing as - confidence in the future. Is she there? How many percent of employees are confident that they will not be fired due to layoffs or the closure of the enterprise? Here the woman is faced with the problem of choice - to give birth to one and live more or less normally, or to give birth to two and live in eternal need.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 November 2020 15: 59
      12
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      And what does medicine have to do with it? Bad medicine is premature death. And population growth is fertility. Why don't our women want to give birth?

      because first you have to give birth! And stay the most alive and so that the child is not disabled! How many maternity wards are closed across the country?
      More ... Pediatrician examinations. Go and look for them. And for all the money, money ..
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 11 November 2020 17: 36
        0
        I do not know how you are with medicine. A month ago, the granddaughter caught a cold, and two weeks later, the paramedic will come, then the doctor. And the certificate for the kindergarten was brought home.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 00: 51
          +5
          Quote: _Sergey_
          I do not know how you are with medicine. A month ago, the granddaughter caught a cold, and two weeks later, the paramedic will come, then the doctor. And the certificate for the kindergarten was brought home.

          And where is this grace in which you live? Do they bring you the same medicines for free?
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 12 November 2020 01: 01
            +2
            Altai Territory, Rubtsovsk. But the medicine is not brought home.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 12 November 2020 01: 06
              +5
              Quote: _Sergey_
              Altai Territory, Rubtsovsk. But the medicine is not brought home.

              In Labinsk, Krasnodar Territory, doctors in Armavir (50 km) offer to give birth in their own car, they say you will wait for an ambulance for about 3 hours. We have made a hospital in the Central Regional Hospital.
              1. _Sergei_
                _Sergei_ 12 November 2020 09: 06
                +1
                We have two maternity hospitals, one was given for covid. This week, the skin-vein hospital will be converted to covid
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 November 2020 18: 11
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr

        because first you have to give birth! And stay the most alive and so that the child is not disabled! How many maternity wards are closed across the country?

        Come on ... Don't exaggerate. Our women give birth not in barns.
        Of course, there are big claims to the Ministry of Health, but you must admit that it is not because of unimportant medicine that women do not want to give birth.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 11 November 2020 18: 24
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    Two are just reproduction

    Alas, two - this is also a reduction, because some of the children will be infertile, some will not live up to childbearing age - sadly.
    And who will give birth to children when there is complete hopelessness ahead? A young family, in order to buy an apartment, needs to get into a lifelong mortgage bondage. And those who are from the provinces, with salaries in the region of 20 sput, and life is not enough to pay off - what kind of children are there.
    I strongly suspect that the matter is not in the increase in mortality, but in its underestimation in previous years - in order to push through the heinous pension reform. Everyone was amazed at the sudden jump in life expectancy, over a year in a year. This is possible only if not only no one dies, but children are born, so to speak, in the opposite direction. In general, they inflate, inflate and will inflate.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 11 November 2020 15: 26
    +2
    "because in all departments salaries were stubbornly clamped - and not only for officials, but also for the practicing doctors themselves."
    The salary of a doctor of the highest category in the clinic of the presidential administration of affairs is 9 thousand rubles, plus an extra charge for the highest category, and the total fixed payment is 13 thousand rubles.
    Plus possible, uncertain in the amount and probability of payment of the premium.
    The vacation is large and the opportunity to relax with the family for free in the office for recreation.
    My daughter works in an ambulance.
    Payments on covid continued, but regional surcharges began to be squeezed.
    In general, as always.
    We didn’t live well, it’s not worth starting.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 15: 27
    -4
    In 2020, it grew by more than 2019 percent compared to the same period in 30 and amounted to 316 people.

    It's like a nuclear charge was dropped on an ordinary Russian regional center. The liberal tale about Georgy Konstantinovich, they say, "women still give birth," returns to the "liberals" no longer a fairy tale. Only the trouble is that they do not give birth to (((.
  • ALARI
    ALARI 11 November 2020 15: 28
    -1
    The 30% increase in mortality is a consequence of the epidemic. As with statistics on the ground cheating is a nightmare. In Tatarstan, we write 56 sick people a day, and nearby the Ulyanovsk region there for 200 people a day. Although the population there is 3 times less. So these numbers in the article can be safely adjusted upward, which is regrettable, and such cheating is everywhere.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 11 November 2020 19: 38
      0
      Quote: ALARI
      The 30% increase in mortality is a consequence of the epidemic.

      Yeah, and this epidemic has been going on since the last century. laughing
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 11 November 2020 20: 03
        +3
        And because of what? There was a recession before, but now there is a jump by a third. This is not a death / birth difference, it is death in relation to death in the last year. What happened?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 11 November 2020 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: ALARI
          And because of what? There was a recession before, but now there is a jump by a third. This is not a death / birth difference, it is death in relation to death in the last year. What happened?

          During his lifetime, Sergei Petrovich Kapitsa, speaking on central TV (I personally watched it), sadly expressed his opinion that a demographic catastrophe has already taken place in the country. The situation has not improved since then. And it is much easier to write off miscalculations, failures, mediocrity, malicious intent and simply criminal negligence on different viruses. request
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 11 November 2020 20: 22
            +4
            But we are not talking about demography, but about mortality - it has grown by a third compared to last year. Even if we had 2-3 times more births than died, all the same, mortality would have remained the same increased by a third from last year. Something happened that affected mortality, and this is a virus. They die not only from the virus, but because of the failure to provide medical assistance for other diseases because of it.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 11 November 2020 20: 30
              0
              Quote: ALARI
              They die not only from the virus, but because of the failure to provide medical assistance for other diseases because of it.

              Quote: ALARI
              Something happened that affected the mortality, and this is a virus.

              But we're not talking about demographics, but about mortality

              And demography directly depends on mortality. So shta ...
              You are directly contradicting yourself here. wink The final virus makes its own adjustments, but it is not the most important thing in extinction. There are many factors and they are constantly increasing.
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 11 November 2020 20: 38
                +2
                I see no contradictions. Extinction as a nation is primarily due to low fertility, not death. Most of the deceased are elderly people and their childbearing period is long in the past. The virus is not the main thing in extinction, you are right, it just increases the number of deaths. Demographics depend on the birth of people.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 11 November 2020 20: 49
                  0
                  Quote: ALARI
                  I do not see the contradictions.

                  Who would doubt that.
                  Quote: ALARI
                  Extinction as a nation is primarily due to low fertility, not death

                  Yes, both.
                  Quote: ALARI
                  Demographics depend on the birth of people.

                  Yes, from various factors and from birth as well. There is a powerful propaganda against traditional values. Not so long ago, a law on SMBN was almost passed, which would have put the family in question at all. After its adoption, people would stop creating families altogether. One of the lobbyists for this law was Valentina Ivanovna Matvienko (and she is far from alone repeat ). She continues to occupy a high position, which means that the management treats her with approval. And then we listen to hypocritical regrets about the demographic situation. Well, yes, the virus is to blame for everything. laughing
                  1. ALARI
                    ALARI 11 November 2020 21: 01
                    +2
                    Please separate the concept of demography and mortality. What you wrote about demography agree, as long as the birth rate is below 2, we are dying out. This ratio is independent of mortality. Well, people do not die from the virus and do not get sick, and if they get sick it is like a runny nose. Only I don't need to tell it.
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 November 2020 21: 04
                      0
                      Quote: ALARI
                      Please separate the concept of demography and mortality

                      Boringly insist on their demography and mortality are inseparable. hi
                    2. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 November 2020 21: 08
                      0
                      Quote: ALARI
                      Well, yes, people do not die from the virus and do not get sick, but if they get sick it is like a runny nose

                      People get sick from the flu and die from complications in the same way. Influenza is not a virus?
                      By the way, only from sick leave after covid, they wrote that ARVI. They said that the loss of smell and taste is quite common with ARVI. Although for 47+ years I have had ARVI a huge number of times and this is the first time. But they probably know better. request
                      1. ALARI
                        ALARI 11 November 2020 21: 16
                        +2
                        I was also told this in the summer, not ARVI, but community-acquired bilateral pneumonia. I breathed oxygen for 1,5 weeks, but not covid, in our ward everyone was discharged from them. Boringly I insist on my own.
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 November 2020 21: 17
                        0
                        Quote: ALARI
                        Boringly I insist on my own.

                        To each his own. hi
                      3. ALARI
                        ALARI 11 November 2020 21: 19
                        0
                        Of course so be it.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 November 2020 15: 32
    0
    ..as a complete failure of optimized medicine.

    Exactly.
    It is clear that the reader will certainly ask what the billions that were allocated for the implementation of the ambitious national project were spent? I don’t presume to say it directly, but definitely not on rewards for medical officials.

    Well, billions went into medicine. Let the authorities deal with corruption, but the money reached the hospitals. An impressive amount of equipment was purchased, capital repairs of buildings were carried out. Several hospitals literally lined the inside with new ceramics ..
    New ambulances were also purchased. In several CRHs of the region, primary vascular centers have been opened, in which people are very confidently put on their feet, who would have been doomed to 20% 100 years ago. Technological assistance in acute cardiac pathology has also advanced greatly. All this is there. And these advantages cannot be ignored.
    But there are also disadvantages that more than overlap the advantages. A terrible staff shortage (now not only doctors, but also paramedical personnel), insignificant salaries for health care professionals, a strong, unjustified reduction of hospitals and beds. The program for the construction of modern interdistrict medical centers is neither viable nor realistic.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 November 2020 16: 00
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      In several CRHs of the region, primary vascular centers were opened, in which people are very confidently put on their feet, who would have been doomed to 20% 100 years ago.

      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 November 2020 16: 14
        +2
        Are you confusing bland with salty?
        USAR teams are small high-tech aid departments.
        And the fact that there are no places in hospitals is all over the country. Optimization.... negative how can I not put it ...
        Many are left at home for treatment.
        Only seriously ill patients are hospitalized in the hospital ... The only question is that any patient can become "jelly" and very quickly ...
        Although a 90-year-old woman undoubtedly needed to be hospitalized, as she is undoubtedly at risk. But .. that's my opinion.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 November 2020 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: Doccor18
          Are you confusing bland with salty?

          I'm not confusing a damn thing. I've been in healthcare for 40 "FORTY" years. I have never met such a mess.
          Here's a grandma's place in a hospital bed


          Quote: Doccor18
          Only seriously ill patients are hospitalized in the hospital ... The only question is that any patient can become "jelly" and very quickly ...

          the severity of the condition is not visible to you in the video! Is a paramedic engaged in PR?
          Here's Omsk, a millionaire!

          only no one says that the patients in those ambulances died in cars. They were waiting for a place in the hospital.

          And this is the position of the ideologist of the current
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 11 November 2020 16: 38
            +2
            I'm not confusing a damn thing.

            Something you are overexcited ..
            I've been in healthcare for 40 "FORTY" years.

            Moreover, you should understand what I am writing about.
            I've never met such a mess.

            This is not a mess, this is capitalism.
            Medicine is only for those who can afford it. For this, and all the optimizations, reductions ..
            Why are doctors paid "covid" for the period of the epidemic? Extend for a year?
            Why not just increase the salary from the unfortunate 12700 to 50000 rubles ...? And that's all. And there is no need for all these covid bills, regulations, orders and other bureaucratic fuss.
            But they think differently there ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 11 November 2020 16: 53
              0
              Quote: Doccor18
              This is not a mess, this is capitalism.

              want to say that there is no healthcare in Israel, the USA, Germany? And who told you that capitalism is in Russia?

              Quote: Doccor18
              Medicine is only for those who can afford it. For this, and all the optimizations, reductions ..

              really, why tear your throat! Medicine will always be available to me and my relatives, but you ... whatever you want. Your problems
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 11 November 2020 17: 02
                -1
                want to say that there is no healthcare in Israel, the USA, Germany?

                And that in these countries high-tech medical care is available to each person ... ???
                And who told you that capitalism in Russia

                Not yet. But they are working at an accelerated pace in this direction. Just like the Stakhanovites ..
  • Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 11 November 2020 15: 35
    +2
    A patient with a positive test for COVID-19 can stay for treatment at home if the family has the opportunity to provide him with a separate room - such a condition for outpatients is included in the order of the Ministry of Health

    I should have added, "and the family has a doctor from among the relatives."
  • Kronos
    Kronos 11 November 2020 15: 35
    +7
    Poverty in the country is growing, and mortality is also growing.
    1. Financier
      Financier 11 November 2020 23: 47
      +2
      Everything is growing in the country except demography.
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 13 November 2020 16: 46
        18
        as well as in addition to the income of Russian citizens, not oligarchs and officials, but ordinary people.
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 53
          15
          Quote: Financier
          apart from demographics.

          Quote: Gene84
          as well as besides the income of Russian citizens

          And no one is fighting this. Changes are made only on papers. So the middle class starts at 17000 rubles, and now youth has been extended.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 11 November 2020 15: 38
    +8
    In the meantime, a billion dollars have been allocated to Syria ... And the regions are barely reducing revenues with expenditures.
  • Horon
    Horon 11 November 2020 15: 43
    -1
    In prosperous Europe, the population is dying out and a solution to this problem has not been found, well, now the author will easily find the culprits and show everyone what to do to increase the birth rate and reduce the death rate! Gentlemen are engaged in demagoguery! The solution to this issue lies more on the surface, or rather shares a bed with you, but it is easier to find someone to blame somewhere out there, a small salary, lack of housing and more than a thousand reasons why modern intellectuals do not want to have children, and spend more time where anything and with anything, just not with your family.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 November 2020 16: 55
      +2
      Here we are talking about the increased mortality from various diseases, which is the reason for the poverty of the population.
      1. Horon
        Horon 11 November 2020 19: 07
        +1
        Then why not compare with 2016? The author mixed everything here and mortality and fertility.
  • l7yzo
    l7yzo 11 November 2020 15: 52
    +3
    As if the whole world has long proved that health prevention is much cheaper than treatment. And sick workers are just a decrease in labor productivity. I am an engineer, but I go to the economy better than them)) In general, for the stupid - there have been calculations for a long time - just substitute the values ​​and it will give you the result.

    But greed BUT GREED ... Greed is the strongest? ))
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 November 2020 16: 13
    +2
    IMHO. The decline in the birth rate has easily explainable objective reasons. After the spring wave, it's somehow scary. We will defeat the pandemic, I think the birth rate will grow. On mortality - FIG knows, but doctors really are not enough for everything. So "optimization" and cheating with allowances have done their dirty work. The leadership of the Ministry of Health needs ... (further to the best of your imagination).
  • New Year day
    New Year day 11 November 2020 16: 15
    +9
    What to say? I have no words. If there is still something in Moscow and large enclaves, although Omsk has shown, not a fig, then the situation is bad. For 2018, the shortage of doctors is about 50 thousand and in recent years it has not decreased, but increased.
    The ardent advocates of optimization, foaming at the mouth,

    a few months later, they hastily occupy stadiums with hospital beds and lure doctors into their place with money.
    It turned out to be some kind of paradox!
    Those who destroyed the remnants of the healthcare system

    not only stayed afloat, but now continue to modernize it. And interesting, getting rich and receiving orders.
    In principle, nothing good will happen, because what happens to healthcare today is its collapse.
    Soon they will introduce accreditation and retirement doctors and doctors from the provinces will simply send this case to a well-known address and, accordingly, will drop out of the cage of practicing doctors.
    Already now, a physician has to look for specialists in Moscow who can be entrusted with his life and health. And what about "zamkadi"?
    And the cherry on the cake! In the first reading, the State Duma discussed the law on the right of a medical institution to deny a patient medical care in the compulsory medical insurance system. This help is usually emergency. Everything is transferred to a paid basis.

    So everyone's health is his personal health. take care of yourself.
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 11 November 2020 16: 44
    +7
    Here, on another resource, putriots foaming at the mouth are proving that all well-living countries are experiencing a decline in the birth rate.
    Russians, you live well, don't you believe Putin? You also have a middle class of 17 thousand (sarcasm).
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 11 November 2020 17: 06
      +4
      Quote: Alt22
      Here, on another resource, putriots foaming at the mouth are proving that all well-living countries are experiencing a decline in the birth rate.
      Russians, you live well, don't you believe Putin? You also have a middle class of 17 thousand (sarcasm).

      Does the date have an agent of the State Department? Or bulk? Or Sorovets? Fu you, confused - in general, choose for yourself how to brand and denounce you.
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 12 November 2020 10: 09
        +3
        Well, I am Russian, I am worried about the Russians, I consider Russia the Motherland of the Russian people and I am worried about it, I live in Ukraine, which means I am a "Ukrainian", and if you consider that I also criticize Putin and the miscalculations of his policy
        then also "Bandera", definitely!
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 12 November 2020 10: 37
          0
          Quote: Alt22
          I criticize Putin and the mistakes of his policy
          then also "Bandera", definitely!

          So, we figured it out)) I wonder how to dignify a Ukrainian living in Russia and drowning for Putin ...
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 12 November 2020 10: 47
            +2
            And here everything is even simpler - if he pays taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation, then - "he is Russian regardless of nationality", but from the point of view of Bandera he is "zradnyk" - "traitor", even if he has never been a citizen of Ukraine .. ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 12 November 2020 11: 04
              +1
              Thank you for the outreach work ...
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 11 November 2020 16: 48
    +7
    The bureaucrats talk like they breathe Yesterday the speaker of the Duma amused "People will ask us for the appointed ministers" At least someone was removed ahead of schedule? Or maybe jailed for dereliction of duty?
    Everyone sat out until the end of the term and went to equivalent positions or to a promotion
    We don't abandon ours. do not plant
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 32
      11
      Quote: Cossack 471
      We don't abandon ours. do not plant

      They certainly do not abandon their own. The people of Russia are apparently a stranger to them ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 11 November 2020 17: 16
    +2
    Quote: marchcat
    think about where such statistics come from.

    How to raise the retirement age, shouted from all TV-people live, almost 100 years old, women give birth to 50. Let them work for another 5 years.
    Now they say, the people are dying out. We are losing the older generation. Someone there is great! lol hi
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 53
      15
      Quote: fa2998
      Someone there is great bresh!

      And we all know, well, or we can guess who is telling us lies. wink hi
  • parusnik
    parusnik 11 November 2020 17: 21
    +9
    A simple example of optimizing health care in our district. There is such a village Kurchanskaya, under a totalitarian regime there were: a maternity hospital, a polyclinic, a hospital with a cardiology department. Then there was nothing. Two years ago, an outpatient clinic appeared, where you can come to take a minimum of tests and get a referral to the district polyclinic, and in the district polyclinic they will write you a referral to the regional polyclinic to a cardiologist, oncologist, etc. grew five times, there was one now as much as five.
  • Gato
    Gato 11 November 2020 17: 35
    +1
    I propose to throw funds to open cloning centers. I propose to choose the initial matrix of the exemplary builder of capitalism at a national referendum. wassat
    Although it is clear who it will be. No, not GDP.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 54
      15
      Quote: Gato
      I propose to throw funds to open cloning centers.

      Yeah, finances will fall into the hands of Chubais and he will deceive everyone again bully
  • Van 16
    Van 16 11 November 2020 17: 40
    +5
    I read carefully, the main idea of ​​the article is "a complete failure of optimized medicine", with which I completely agree. Because this year I had to deal with medicine quite often. And I have few questions to the doctors, in most cases I came across very good doctors, but to the organization of all this .. Therefore, I absolutely agree with the author and most of the comments. This is truly a complete failure.
  • Potomac
    Potomac 11 November 2020 18: 53
    +4
    How familiar it all is. Health to you Russians. Hopefully things will come to their senses. Despite all the misunderstandings between our peoples, once again, health to you.
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 02: 33
      +9
      Quote: Potomac
      Health to you Russians.

      Thank you.
      Quote: Potomac
      I hope everything comes to its senses

      Hope dies last.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 11 November 2020 23: 01
    +2
    All true.
    The National Projects were announced, the money was used, Pensioners and workers were shod - that's all, you can roll up these promises ...

    Of the important - in recent years, the Kremlin has assured that the unrestrained growth of wages, living standards, life expectancy, health, housing and population ...
    The Germans say, crowds populate our Crimea ...

    Landing for lying and theft? Yes, at least refutations?
    Putin does not give up his ...

    Quietly and calmly, the Serdyukovs, Chubais and Tsyplaki are back on horseback ...
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 55
      14
      Quote: Alex2000
      Quietly and calmly, the Serdyukovs, Chubais and Tsyplaki are back on horseback ...

      These, they, the authorities, will not touch. They consider these to be successful managers ... Ugh, these managers ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 15 November 2020 07: 41
        -1
        These are partners.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 11 November 2020 23: 11
    +3
    Medicine is getting worse every year! Young cadres are no good, they don't know anything, they look for everything on the Internet, and there, as you know, anyone and anything can write. Only therapists and a couple of other doctors remained in our polyclinic, the rest are sent either to other polyclinics or to private clinics.
    There is no new technique. At the medical examination, the "doctor" asked me my height, weight, pulse and blood pressure. I wrote down everything from my words, I did not measure anything myself. Apparently, at the next medical examination, he will also ask about the level of sugar and cholesterol in the blood.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny 15 November 2020 01: 55
      14
      We do not live under Soviet rule, where everything was for the people. And under the bourgeois-oligarchic system. Under this system, people are needed only as a consumer.
      1. Thomas the Unbelieving
        Thomas the Unbelieving 17 November 2020 21: 45
        +1
        The bandits do not need him as a consumer either. Henry Ford 1 set wages so that workers could buy their products. And what about us? Talk about fighting poverty. And the problems of poverty, fertility, and technical progress can be solved only in one way: by reducing working hours to eliminate unemployment and raising wages. In the meantime, everything is done the other way around.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 13 November 2020 13: 01
    +1
    So all the optimization was started to destroy the population. I do not believe that it happened so by accident. Idiocy is certainly present, but the main problem is not in it.
  • Alexvikt2011
    Alexvikt2011 13 November 2020 21: 14
    +2
    Yes, this is nonsense in the sense that powerful and high-quality health care strongly affects the growth of the population. Nonsense. The people either want a large family and a family, or, as now we Russians, do not want work in the family, do not want many children. Wild and semi-wild tribes of Negroes, Arabs, Chinese (yesterday did not have any medicine), etc. - have many children and inhabit all the free space. We have abandoned children, almost abandoned. That's all.
  • Vyacheslav Nilov
    Vyacheslav Nilov 15 November 2020 13: 49
    0
    What are you talking about? What kind of medicine in Russia !? I will give a simple example: I have a sister who has health problems, she was "treated" at the Tikhvin TB hospital, she was almost killed there, drugged ... The hospital itself is a complete mess, people buy drugs there, get drunk, violate the regime honey institutions and all this with the tacit consent of doctors !!! They make money from patients by selling drugs!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 20: 53
    0
    People care what they die from

    Yesterday, 16.11.2020/22/41 at 25.04.1935:07.10.2020 pm, my brother called and said that they called him from the boarding house and said that our mother had died. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX year of birth. Until XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, she walked around the apartment on her own and took notes, measuring blood pressure, temperature and pulse. After that, she suffered some kind of inflammatory process. The doctors were never able to establish an accurate diagnosis. Her last requests were to God so that he would let her die faster. She didn't care what was happening and where. She only prayed to God to save her from her torment: “... Lord! Why do I need these torments ... I did not deceive anyone and lived honestly ... "It's hard to watch your loved one lose his memory and is unable to help or alleviate the situation (dramatically).
    One thing is clear, in our country you cannot get sick with something unknown, and it is useless to hope for a quick and painless departure.
    People, most likely, care about what to die of. But I know for certain that any person does not want to give trouble to his loved ones ... And to die quietly (in a dream, suddenly, etc.) is the privilege of a few.
    Tomorrow, or rather today, we will start organizing the funeral. These are the cases from our "ragged" life ...
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 17 November 2020 21: 37
    +1
    In fact, the story is like this. In 2011, Medvedev signed documents on joining the WTO. Do you think it was about foreign trade? No, the WTO demanded that Russia lift restrictions on the participation of foreign capital in insurance companies. After that, the "optimization" of health care began, naturally with the aim of eviscerating the CHI fund. It is interesting that a couple of years ago Matvienko spoke out against this. I was delighted then, sent her Methodological instructions for health planning of the State Planning Committee of the USSR. In practice, in my younger years, I had to work in this direction. But the interests of foreign capital are clearly stronger than even a third party in the country's leadership. Now the Ministry of Health has modestly asked to give the CHI money to at least federal medical institutions. So Kudrin and his bunch screamed that it would ruin our medicine! Whom does this audience serve? Somewhere I came across Roosevelt's statement about the 1929-1932 crisis in the United States: interests and easy money. " And here it has been going on for several decades. First of all, at the expense of the people, who were deprived of not only health care, education, culture, but also faith in the future.
  • Syroitel_nik
    Syroitel_nik 18 November 2020 11: 17
    -1
    And what began to give birth more? Forgotten the decline in the 90s?
    They began to have children like dogs and cats. But not to give birth !!!! From this and the attitude.
    I'm already tired of the always whining about the all-propalokaraul. author -> author -> author of the article, are you a mother of many children ?? I am convinced not.
    Everyone is shouting about the excess of death rate over birth rate, but no one wants to start with themselves. Or did your children become doctors ??? How many lawyers, accountants, economists, managers have become. That your kids don't go into real production? Specialists are always required !!!! Only there are a lot of mediocrity, but few who do it.
  • Aleksandr Suvorov
    Aleksandr Suvorov Yesterday, 21: 35
    0
    Да здравствует правительство тандема Путина-Медведева!