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"Su-35 is more dangerous than F-35": in Indonesia on the superiority of the Russian fighter

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Indonesia is going to re-examine the possibility of acquiring Russian Su-35 fighters due to the White House's reluctance to sell the F-35 stealth fighter to Jakarta.


As the ambassador to the United States, Mohammad Lutfi, explained, the United States decided to leave Indonesia without fifth generation F-35 fighters. Washington is not going to sell its latest combat aircraft until Jakarta purchases enough F-16s. As the diplomat pointed out, soon the American delegation will visit the country to offer a batch of F-16 Fighting Falcon fighters.

The local press and experts quickly took notice of the topic, arguing that buying the American F-16 at the cost of the Russian Su-35 - "a fighter that even surpasses the F-35" - was absurd.

Why do we need American F-16s if we can easily buy the Russian Su-35, which is even more dangerous than the F-35 for any enemy. We did everything we could, but the Americans refused to sell their planes - now it's Washington's problem
- one of the analysts told a local newspaper.

Negotiations between Indonesia and the Russian Federation were conducted earlier, but then were postponed due to the possibility of Jakarta buying the F-35, along with fears of the US imposing an embargo under the CAATSA law. However, Indonesia can now re-consider the possibility of acquiring the Su-35 fighter, noting that it is in many ways (including maneuverability and climb speed) superior to the American 5th generation fighter.

Recall that at one time there was information that Russian fighters were allegedly offered to partially pay with palm oil.
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  1. times
    times 9 November 2020 13: 51
    35
    now Indonesia may re-consider the possibility of acquiring a Su-35 fighter

    Not for palm oil please
    1. Temples
      Temples 9 November 2020 14: 03
      +6
      The oil in the form of products will reach store shelves or factories for its processing into non-food products.
      And selling for bucks is direct financing of the mattress economy because it is impossible to buy something for these pieces of paper.
      The sanctions prohibit traps from selling anything more or less valuable to Russians.

      Can Papuans buy our planes for rubles?
      I also doubt the Papuans' ability to find rubles and the desire of our managers to sell planes for our money.
      1. times
        times 9 November 2020 14: 07
        31
        You can calculate in national currencies, or any other than the dollar - this will fit into the announced de-dollarization.
      2. ancient
        ancient 9 November 2020 14: 29
        +7
        Quote: Temples
        And selling for bucks is direct financing of the mattress economy, because it is impossible to buy something for these pieces of paper

        Yeah ...... and we exclusively sell Oil and Gas, for ...... exclusively .. Mongolian tugriks wassat and all their weapons and systems as well wassat
        1. Temples
          Temples 9 November 2020 17: 08
          -2
          Quote: ancient
          Yeah ...... a Oil

          Naga.

          And the exact same crap with hydrocarbons.

          Opposition is not appropriate here at all.

          Conducting economic activity in the currency of a foreign state is complete economic dependence on the owner of this currency.

          This is the truth that any grandmother sitting at the entrance should know.

          And there is no justification for such dependence, on the word at all.

          Any bleating on the topic of what is so beneficial is a confirmation of the author of such words in his belonging to a herd of sheep.

          s / s / Dinosaurs are extinct, rams may become extinct, but suckers will live forever.
        2. vVvAD
          vVvAD 10 November 2020 11: 41
          -3
          Don't write anything you don't have the slightest idea about.
          If weapons and oil and gas were sold for dollars, then from the very beginning of the imposition of sanctions against our oil and defense industry nothing would be sold.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 9 November 2020 14: 09
      -3
      Alas ... but only for palm oil, because the sale for "dollars" will be blocked by the US regulatory authorities ... which, alas, but "palm oil" - "nashfse". yes But do not worry, Rospotrebnadzor has already said that the harm of palm oil is the propaganda of unscrupulous "experts", but in fact, palm oil is a useful product rich in amino acids and vitamins, very useful for both the "population" (with a salary like in Zimbabwe if we translate it into dollar terms), and for Russian "patriotically oriented entrepreneurs" who suffer greatly from covid and sanctions .... yes .... That is, palm oil is a very necessary product to "support the Russian economy afloat ".... yes. wink
      1. times
        times 9 November 2020 14: 14
        21
        Come on ... We are discussing what else will happen. Maybe our negotiators have finally learned how to bargain for the benefit of Russia. Let's hope.
      2. Runoway
        Runoway 9 November 2020 14: 43
        0
        That is, palm oil is a very necessary product for "keeping the Russian economy afloat" .... yes. wink
        Reply

        The Russian economy is generally a magical thing:
        - according to the president, he will restore it after covi-19 thanks to the influx of migrants, and the dollar exchange rate should be ignored
        - "expensive dollar is beneficial to us" © Nabiulina
        -I don't even want to quote Siluanov
      3. Guru
        Guru 9 November 2020 16: 26
        +2
        Snail N9 (Snail)

        Why don't you like the Chinese Yuan? It is also the world's reserve currency.
      4. Fitter65
        Fitter65 9 November 2020 16: 38
        +2
        Quote: Snail N9
        Rospotrebnadzor has already said that the harm of palm oil is the propaganda of unscrupulous "experts", but in fact, palm oil is a useful product,

        This is reminiscent of the distant 70s, when lard disappeared from store shelves, in the program "Health" then it was said that lard is harmful because of the cholesterol in the fat. Later, fat began to appear, and conversations began about how useful it is, and the cholesterol that is in the fat is not harmful, but even vice versa laughing By the way, I somehow accidentally hooked up a transmission on RenTV, so they generally said that people even lose weight from lard, like the body spends more kilo-calories to digest 100 grams of fat than there is in these 100 grams of fat, the guys and I calculated that if you eat 1 kg of fat, then a person will die from exhaustion of the body. laughing laughing laughing good
        1. Warrior-80
          Warrior-80 9 November 2020 17: 16
          0
          And what, I read in Japan there was such a death penalty, they were fed only fatty meat, a person was slowly dying from volvulus, these are such sadists smile
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 9 November 2020 23: 18
            0
            Quote: Warrior-80
            I read in Japan there was such a death penalty, they were fed only fatty meat, a person was slowly dying from volvulus, these are such sadists smile
            Execution Boiled meat - the convict was put in a cage, in which he could hardly move and was fed only with BOILED meat - for 20-30 days and the convict "departed into another world" - before that his stomach swelled up, and a strong stench with an "acetone" smell appeared.
            This type of execution affected only the Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese ... - only those who lived on a diet of boiled rice and could not digest a lot of meat. In the Chinese chronicles it is written that such an execution with "boiled meat" did not work against the hunu (northern nomads) - the hunu were accustomed to meat (horse meat and others ...).
        2. Archon
          Archon 10 November 2020 18: 50
          0
          Rather, there is a chance of dying from indigestion.
      5. Umalta
        Umalta 9 November 2020 17: 51
        0
        Palm oil has different fractions, it is used, its best varieties, in food, worse in perfumery and pharmaceuticals. The question is that ours will buy something cheaper and more angry and naturally not very useful, but extremely beneficial for "ours", but not for the people.
      6. EvilLion
        EvilLion 10 November 2020 13: 04
        +2
        Are you aware that humanity has been consuming palm oil for thousands of years?

        However, if we have a salary, as in Zimbabwe, then I recommend leaving our country.
    3. frruc
      frruc 9 November 2020 17: 24
      0
      I support. Especially it (palm oil) is harmful to pregnant women. stop
      The consumption of palm oil leads to obesity and the development of chronic diseases on a global scale, and its production causes irreparable damage to the environment. These are the main findings of the report published in the bulletin of the World Health Organization.
      The authors of the document compare the palm oil production and sale industry directly with the tobacco and alcohol industry, both in terms of the level of harm to health and the environment, and in the efforts of advertisers and lobbyists trying to hide the truth from consumers in pursuit of profit.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 10 November 2020 13: 13
        +1
        For any person familiar with the law of conservation of energy, it is obvious that excess caloric intake over energy expenditure leads to obesity.

        As for the environment, sunflower oil requires 3 times more space for its production.

        Screaming about the dangers of palm oil is tantamount to screaming about the dangers of GMOs.
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 November 2020 19: 28
      -2
      You don't have to choose here.
    5. Nitarius
      Nitarius 10 November 2020 04: 24
      0
      who has what and pays! according to the idea and you can use it wisely! and not necessarily in Food .. there is a chemical production of oils)))
    6. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 10 November 2020 11: 37
      0
      Quote: mal
      Not for palm oil please


      We'll have to .. "swallow" in the literal sense, this is a decision ...
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 9 November 2020 14: 02
    +2
    Let them buy from us, what are the problems.
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 9 November 2020 14: 06
    +2
    As in the joke: "and you buy a brick."
    The Americans have become completely insolent of course, this is tantamount to the fact that you come to the store for a smart TV, and you are offered to buy a tube first.
  4. lucul
    lucul 9 November 2020 14: 07
    +8
    The States decided to leave Indonesia without fifth generation F-35 fighters. Washington is not going to sell its latest combat aircraft until Jakarta purchases enough F-16s

    Want to buy an F-35? Only you need to buy a couple of hundred F-16s in addition at a prohibitive price)))
    The free market is like that, yes)))
    The "invisible hand of the market" will rule everything, as the liberals told us in the 90s)))
  5. Runoway
    Runoway 9 November 2020 14: 10
    -8
    Su-35 is more dangerous than F-35 "

    And palm oil is healthier than butter and vegetable oil.
    That's just learned the bad from imposed democracy and capitalism. Well, we can't learn to trade from the Americans recourse
    "There gold-fur, from there guts"
    Someone will say work for our factories ....... work for work ???? No, really kick the ass of such managers, when one of the best fighters in the world, we can't sell $$$ for a living
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 9 November 2020 14: 39
      0
      when one of the best fighters in the world cannot sell $$$

      Well, dollars are controlled by the United States so that there are understandable difficulties, but another thing is interesting, why not sell for .... gold? After all, Indonesia is not that much, produces little of it. However, previous sales of Russian military equipment were exactly "barter" - for the notorious "palm oil". To the surprised questions from the media: why so? -The answer was that palm oil, they say, unlike gold, is "a highly liquid product that is in high demand in the Russian market" .... Which allowed Platoshkin to then ironic about the fact that those, who sells Russian weapons for palm oil, then, this palm oil is already sold to Russian manufacturers, that is, he has a gesheft to resell it, already in our domestic, Russian market, it turns out that, again, Russian consumers beat back and compensate for possible losses of such "barter "deals .. This is a normal" business "... according to" Gazprom "... wink .
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 9 November 2020 14: 48
        +2
        Why is Yuan bad in mutual settlements ?? In view of the huge purchases in the Celestial Empire, it is a very necessary currency, but you are right, you cannot hit a double jackpot.
        And again, all our export "buy for how much you take", from timber to gas
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 9 November 2020 15: 04
          +2
          Yuan ... Unfortunately, many do not quite understand how such transactions generally occur. When selling something that falls under international regulation (weapons), the BANK IS SELECTED, WHICH WILL SUPPORT this transaction, which reserves its funds on the escrow account, that is, it acts as a creditor-guarantor of the entire transaction. These bank funds are then gradually extinguished by the parties to the transaction in the agreed manner, of course, with interest on the loan. If you sell for yuan, then the bank should get these yuan from where. And this is where the "most interesting" thing begins - the fact is that ALL large banks that own yuan in their accounts tacitly support the American sanctions in such transactions, since they do not want to fall under the restrictions of their activities, due to the subsequent support of such sales, sanctions from the United States .. So, what else try to find a bank that has a sufficient amount of yuan and agrees to accompany such a deal with Russia and is not afraid of the sanctions and restrictions that will surely follow from the United States .. Moreover, The People's Bank of China (an imitation of the yuan) also supports restrictions on the provision of the yuan for such transactions with Russia in order to avoid unnecessary and unpleasant explanations with the United States, with which China has the largest trade ... So, the yuan is not so simple either.
  6. zontov79
    zontov79 9 November 2020 14: 28
    +3
    There are many alternative currencies that can be traded for. And exclude the dollar from the calculation. And we already have enough oil.
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 9 November 2020 14: 28
    0
    Indonesians are familiar with the Su-27 and the SU-35, I don't remember exactly what modifications. They bought them 10-12 years ago, but then they refused due to lack of funds, and a couple of dozen F-16s were then on the way.
  8. Polish jew
    Polish jew 9 November 2020 14: 38
    0
    Like youngsters near the shelves with alcohol, pivasik was not sold, rushed back to the "Baba Dusa" for a sample. And right away, oh, you have it so tasty, better than sell beer, eh?
  9. Voyager
    Voyager 9 November 2020 15: 12
    0
    What prevented the initial consideration of the Su-35, and not wait until they hacked the F-35? The skaters are fig.
  10. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 9 November 2020 15: 12
    0
    Quote: Runoway
    expensive dollar is beneficial to us "© Nabiulina
    -I don't even want to quote Siluanov

    They do not need to be quoted, but to be awarded the Order of Judas.
    1. Past the crocodile
      Past the crocodile 9 November 2020 20: 35
      -3
      They and Kim should be rewarded with a soapy rope.
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 9 November 2020 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    Alas ... but only for palm oil, because the sale for "dollars" will be blocked by the US regulatory authorities ... which, alas, but "palm oil" - "nashfse". yes

    Listen to you, so everyone with Russia is paying for armaments only through palm oil. Don't confuse your wet dreams with reality.
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 9 November 2020 16: 17
    -1
    we can easily buy the Russian Su-35, which is even more dangerous than the F-35
    Why were they going to buy the F-35 if the Su-35 is cheaper and "more dangerous"? and only when they refused to buy the F-35 did they talk about the Su-35
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 November 2020 19: 29
      -1
      The question of credits and pressure on the guide
  13. Maluck
    Maluck 9 November 2020 18: 20
    -1
    The local press and experts quickly took notice of the topic, arguing that buying the American F-16 at the cost of the Russian Su-35 - "a fighter that even surpasses the F-35" - was absurd.


    Invalid comparison. It seems to me that the F-35 will never clash in a maneuverable battle in the SU-35, because it has a completely different concept - to see from afar, to be the first to launch a rocket at it and hit the road until something has worked out.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 November 2020 19: 29
      +2
      And his tasks are 70% percussion
      1. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 9 November 2020 20: 38
        -1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And his tasks are 70% percussion

        ... and a maneuverable Ф16 for closer combat. Therefore, they sell together.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 9 November 2020 20: 50
          0
          For agile battles and gaining air superiority in the USA - F22 and F15
  14. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 10 November 2020 00: 41
    -1
    I understand that Indonesia has recognized that 2 × Su35 > f35 + 2 × f16 (of course, network-centric)
  15. 123456789
    123456789 10 November 2020 20: 24
    -1
    Why do we need American F-16s if we can easily buy the Russian Su-35, which is even more dangerous than the F-35 for any enemy.

    Or the Su-57E