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In Ukraine, they are discussing who came up with the idea to arm the "Island" boats with Soviet torpedoes SET-72

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In Ukraine, they are actively discussing statements about the option of modernizing the Island class boats previously received from the United States. Let us recall that the boats, which were named Starobelsk and Slavyansk in the Ukrainian Navy, were delivered to the country about a year ago. Moreover, they arrived in Ukraine, as they say, "empty" - without weapons. Since then, the command of the Ukrainian Navy has been thinking about what weapons to use on boats. At the same time, equipping former American boats with weapons in Ukraine is called "modernization".


It became known that the main variant of such "modernization" is to equip "Slavyansk" and "Starobelsk" with Soviet-style torpedoes. This idea originated, as stated, at the headquarters of the Navy. At the same time, it is noted that it is precisely this idea of ​​weapons that will be implemented. And this caused indignation in Ukraine from a number of military experts.

The Odessa media reported on the option of installing 400-mm torpedo tubes with Soviet-made SET-72 torpedoes on boats.
For information on some of the performance characteristics of these torpedoes:

Caliber - 400 mm, length 4500 mm, weight - 735 kg (explosive mass - 80 kg), practical range - up to 8 km, maximum travel depth - 450 m.

It also became known about the plans to equip the boats of the Island class BIUS (combat information and control system) "Kontur".
From the comments of Ukrainian experts:

BIUS "Kontur" and torpedoes SET-72 are already outdated. They are based on old Soviet standards. If we are going to convert the army and navy to NATO standards, then who came up with the idea to equip naval boats with such equipment and weapons?

It is noted that after the installation of the "Kontur" new funds will be required to bring this system to NATO standards.

In the meantime, it is suggested that the voiced version of "modernization" - to get new funds for old American boats, may be connected with this.

In Ukraine:

There are even more questions about the SET-72 armament. These torpedoes, even during tests, could not show the inherent characteristics. For example, the declared speed of 40 knots was never reached. Who had the idea to arm Island with them?

Recall that at the beginning of 2020, the "Islands" as part of the Ukrainian Navy were armed with 25-mm installations. The "modernization" stopped there.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 November 2020 12: 43 New
    17
    Place torpedoes with a caliber of 800 mm, why waste time on trifles - four torpedoes from each side! In one night, and without proper funding to spite us, create, and you will be happy that your boats will suddenly become submarines with such torpedoes. .. wassat
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 8 November 2020 14: 34 New
      +3
      A torpedo boat of this size (displacement) and at such a speed is not even a mixture of a bulldog with a rhinoceros, it's even funnier)))) Well, in general, the favorite entertainment of the Banderlog - the money has been spent, "and there, even though the wolf, don't eat grass")) ))
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 8 November 2020 16: 45 New
      +3
      If we are going to convert the army and navy to NATO standards, then who came up with the idea of ​​equipping naval boats with such equipment and weapons?

      Of course, ukram need to order from the owners the modernization of the AARGM-ER missile (which for Americans costs 6 liam bucks) for a mosquito fleet, and then buy ten of them for each boat. Then they will get banned. repeat
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 9 November 2020 08: 40 New
        +3
        You just have to paint the torpedoes in zhovto-blakitny color. That's all business. And then they remembered about the standards. You might think that Banderlog understands the standards.
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 November 2020 12: 44 New
    +4
    A nose machine (bushmaster rafal or alesan Turkish) in 20-30mm and a spike at the stern - that's all you need for such a boat
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 November 2020 12: 57 New
      12
      Tlahuikol - they need a moonshine still in the hold, and a white sheet, so that when they meet the "Ahresor", it is worthy, drunken to raise the white flag over the deck! !! lol
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 November 2020 12: 53 New
    +7
    In this case, equipping former American boats with weapons in Ukraine is called "modernization".
    Modernization is when the boats are brought at least to their original armament from the construction, and when they install obviously old equipment, this is called archaization or degradation. Although the last word is more suitable for boats and for all Ukro. Navy
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 8 November 2020 13: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In this case, equipping former American boats with weapons in Ukraine is called "modernization".
      Modernization is when the boats are brought at least to their original armament from the construction, and when they install obviously old equipment, this is called archaization or degradation. Although the last word is more suitable for boats and for all Ukro. Navy

      To hell with them torpedoes (and even obsolete Soviet ones))) But the engine will knock or the anchor will become dull, how much will it cost to repair the Outskirts? Or will they write off as "Hamers" who did not appear on the conflict line in Donbass ..?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 November 2020 13: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Turanov
        or the anchor will become dull

        Yes, you sho? The battleship will lose its course and will not catch up with the enemy! crying
        1. Turanov
          Turanov 8 November 2020 13: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Turanov
          or the anchor will become dull

          Yes, you sho? The battleship will lose its course and will not catch up with the enemy! crying

          laughingWell, without an anchor they can jerk to the damned !!!! We'll have to call tech support from the usa to sharpen it wink And theirs are dangerous, they will cut them down and hand them over to metal. bully
      2. Mouse
        Mouse 8 November 2020 13: 34 New
        +6
        the anchor will be dull, this is how much it will cost to repair the Outskirts

        File in hand .... laughing
  4. SaLaR
    SaLaR 8 November 2020 12: 56 New
    +4
    You don't think anything ... it's called Khokhlyanization ..........))
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 8 November 2020 13: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: SaLaR
      You don't think anything ... it's called Khokhlyanization ..........))

      Everything for the sebe and in spite of the cursed ones .. This is a well-known tactic of this territory of farmer thinking for a long time
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 8 November 2020 12: 59 New
    +2
    I think the falconets on swivels along the sides will be the very thing.
  6. xomaNN
    xomaNN 8 November 2020 13: 02 New
    +2
    Fortunately, the main naval weapons systems remained in Russia. ... and on abandoned U - boats in the Crimea
  7. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 8 November 2020 13: 18 New
    +1
    Rare sample 53 years old ... laughing
  8. Crabong
    Crabong 8 November 2020 13: 20 New
    -2
    A pair of launchers "Uranus" can be supplied, radar, AK-630. Hypothetically.
  9. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 8 November 2020 13: 21 New
    +8
    If we are going to convert the army and navy to NATO standards, then who came up with the idea to equip naval boats with such equipment and weapons?

    What the fuck are the standards of NATy, who, who will take you there? The Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonia were taken into the bloc without any pants at all, they had two sappers of the Soviet legacy left for three. Without Crimea, Donbass, and as a consequence of the Sea of ​​Azov, but with galloping zapadentsev, neither Europ nor Nata can be seen as your ears.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2020 09: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Senka Mad
      The Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonia were taken into the bloc without any pants at all, they had two sappers of the Soviet legacy left for three.

      I would not say that all the army depots remained in Estonia, only the naval base and Arsenal were removed.
  10. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 8 November 2020 13: 25 New
    +8
    Hang everything with Nata's flags (as you can) and nothing else is required of you. Weld the javelin as a last resort so that you will not be robbed in the port.
  11. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 8 November 2020 13: 29 New
    +2
    What is available is what they are going to put. For weapons and equipment of the NATO standard are worth a lot of money. And Soviet stocks just lie in warehouses. It is not good to be wasted, it must be adapted to the matter.
    And there you look, then maybe, in fact, they will either give money or equipment / weapons will be adjusted for free.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 8 November 2020 13: 36 New
    +1
    In the background are dirty and tumbled buildings and complete hopelessness ...
  13. Kostya Lavinyukov
    Kostya Lavinyukov 8 November 2020 13: 45 New
    +1
    A mass of 735 km is good.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 8 November 2020 13: 59 New
      0
      Both cans are worthy candidates for replenishment of the underwater rusty fleet of Ukraine - the main real estate of the Ukrainian Navy.
      1. Kostya Lavinyukov
        Kostya Lavinyukov 9 November 2020 02: 58 New
        0
        I wonder how much of this stuff they have in their warehouses?
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 November 2020 14: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Kostya Lavinyukov
      Mass 735 km

      And this is only an hour! fool
  14. Avior
    Avior 8 November 2020 14: 01 New
    0
    Dumskaya wrote that allegedly on one of the proposals they were going to arm the boats with Soviet torpedoes.
    There is no evidence of this.
    It promises to pay attention to itself this: in terms of weight and dimensions, the SET-72 torpedo is quite approximately the same as the Ukrainian anti-ship missile system Neptune, so that in the case when the naval version of Neptune appears, it gets better, technically it can be put on boats
  15. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 8 November 2020 14: 01 New
    13
    It is better to keep these boats away from the conflict zone. Uncle Sam won't pat them on the head if they are squeezed out.
  16. Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 November 2020 14: 10 New
    +4
    winked What's going on in the world ?! Ukraine "Sovietizes" the American second-hand with Soviet torpedoes! But what about decommunization with desovetization? Circus, EPRST!
  17. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 8 November 2020 14: 48 New
    +3
    The T64 turret must be installed, the admiral-tanker will approve.
  18. Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 November 2020 15: 01 New
    0
    Yes, they will rot earlier! It is harmful for a ship to stand near the wall.
    And what about the team to begin with? Did you learn Aglitsky, or did you make all the tablets on the Move?
  19. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 8 November 2020 16: 29 New
    0
    Ukrainians will finish badly ... that they will have to bomb Kiev ...
  20. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 8 November 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    "Odessa media reports on the option of installing 400-mm torpedo tubes with Soviet-made SET-72 torpedoes on boats."
    And what else will you become to arm, except for what is available?
    True, I'm afraid with torpedoes - they can be fiercely drowned even before reaching the distance - with missiles. Perhaps even from the shore ...
    They may not even let them go to sea ...
    Which is much easier. Than to deal with brothers torpedoes.
  21. boriz
    boriz 8 November 2020 17: 06 New
    +1
    What they didn't have time to steal from the warehouse, they put it.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 49 New
      0
      Quote: boriz
      What they didn't manage to steal from the warehouse

      there is about 80 kg of silver in the battery
      so draw conclusions laughing
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    The SET-72 torpedoes were installed on the boats not out of stupidity, but due to lack of funds. If there were pennies, they would have installed the most modern or almost modern ones, and the rest would have been cut
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 46 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      The SET-72 torpedoes were installed on the boats not out of stupidity, but lack of funds.

      with equal efficiency, they could cut any torpedo out of wood
      or condoms at the captain, about these troughs to inflate and paint lol
  23. Fizik M
    Fizik M 8 November 2020 21: 45 New
    +3
    hey put these firewood
    SET-72 has long been released not only according to the assigned, but also the maximum service life
  24. Gogi shapiro
    Gogi shapiro 8 November 2020 22: 08 New
    0
    Gee-gee! Where does the money come from, Zin, for new weapons? Ha?
    1. EMMM
      EMMM 9 November 2020 00: 17 New
      0
      Fortunately, you are right Sir, indeed Ukraine (I am from Severodonetsk) has no money and no opportunity to produce anything ammunition. This was laid down about 60 years ago, when the USSR defense-industrial complex was created. I doubt that Gidropribor (the official name of OJSC "Marine Underwater Weapons" will transfer the production documentation to anyone else without the sanctions of the Ministry of Defense or higher.
  25. Zoomlion
    Zoomlion 8 November 2020 23: 56 New
    +1
    Make firecrackers out of them. Cheap, angry, dangerous and with a twinkle
  26. Sergey Gintner
    Sergey Gintner 9 November 2020 04: 00 New
    +1
    One might think that there were some other options because of their poverty .. Well, if only someone does not regret it and don’t give it .. But apparently no one would risk giving ammunition to unpredictable ugly babies .. That is, unless Biden has time before he dies or forgets finally what is his name ...
  27. Hagen
    Hagen 9 November 2020 09: 52 New
    -1
    Moreover, they arrived in Ukraine, as they say, "empty" - without weapons. Since then, the command of the Ukrainian Navy has been thinking about what weapons to use on boats. At the same time, equipping former American boats with weapons in Ukraine is called "modernization".

    They are very strange people .... The railways have brought them to such a state that they cannot deliver the already harvested grain to ports for export, but they incur billions of dollars in debts to purchase and modernize the weapons of the fleet, which, even with this new weapon, will not be noticeable in the Black Sea theater of operations ... Maybe it's better to spend the same money on programs that can bring at least some income in the near future? Truly, when God wants to punish people, he takes their minds away ... request
  28. Mwg
    Mwg 9 November 2020 17: 39 New
    0
    All the damned Muscovites will not lag behind the proud Ukrainian, so they again slipped their torpedoes)))
  29. garik77
    garik77 9 November 2020 18: 45 New
    0
    I don’t understand, tse peremoga, why is it? With torpedoes?
  30. Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 9 November 2020 23: 40 New
    +2
    It would be better to think about why boats decommissioned from the US Coast Guard were needed at all because of the fatigue of the metal of their hulls ?!