Germans invest in Luftwaffe: billions of euros for new fighters

In Germany, one of the last barriers to the purchase of new combat aircraft has been overcome: the budget committee of the German parliament has agreed to spend up to 5,5 billion euros on the purchase of a batch of 38 new Eurofighter Typhoon fighters. Now it's up to parliament.

As Europaeische Sichercheit und Technik explains, we are talking about the acquisition of 26 single and 7 combat training vehicles as part of the basic order, five more standard Eurofighter can be purchased as an option. The aircraft should receive a radar with AFAR E-Scan Mk 1. Delivery of the first aircraft is expected in 2023/24.

At the same time, the needs of the German Air Force are much broader. The decision to buy a new batch of Eurofighters was a compromise result of the interdepartmental struggle. Berlin urgently needs to find successors for the aging Tornado machines.

According to the IISS-2020, the German Air Force is armed with 140 Eurofighter Typhoon, 68 Tornado IDS and 20 Tornado ECR. In June 2020, an agreement was signed on the modernization of 110 Typhoon in order to equip them with radar with AFAR. The radar is expected to "provide a significant increase in reconnaissance and combat capabilities and provide an opportunity to conduct electronic warfare."

Against the background of the need for additional purchases, an acute political struggle is being waged around "investments". The Ministry of Defense is in favor of the acquisition of American fighters F / A-18 Super Hornets (30 units) and E / A-18G Growlers (15 units). However, the idea of ​​purchasing equipment from its own manufacturer is widely supported in the country.

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[Uncle lee]

the idea of ​​purchasing equipment from our own manufacturer.

Maybe right.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Maybe right.

I would say that focusing on your manufacturers is very correct. If for a long time it is more profitable to pay your own people, and not to give money to your uncle. Moreover, almost everyone can create their own

[Lexus]

It would be high time to see the radar with AFAR and on Russian fighters in combat units.

[Thrifty]

Lexus-microscope to help you, or wait 30 more years, maybe you will see

[Real Pilot]

When I hear the word "Luftwaffe" ... Genetic memory, you know.
Somehow I don't want to wish them new aircraft! Let them walk on foot, they will be more whole

[for]

Quote: RealPilot

When I hear the word "Luftwaffe"

A Mercedes, BVM, etc., etc.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: for

Quote: RealPilot

When I hear the word "Luftwaffe"

A Mercedes, BVM, etc., etc.

Colleague, Mercedes, etc. - this is a technique and can be any, while it is civil. These are things, and they just serve and work. And most importantly, production is localized in Russia (both Mercedes and BMW ). That is, these factories are under our control, including, and in urgent need are nationalized for independent production (albeit less sophisticated models) ... Our classic Zhiguli is originally licensed Fiat

But the Luftwaffe is already a branch of the army, these are people of a certain profession and ideological orientation! What is the percentage of soldiers with Nazi views in the German Bundeswehr? Recent scandals have shown a lot ... There is also a genetic memory.

[Thrifty]

But what about the "fat penguin," aka f35? The Germans do not want him, so as not to go broke on the content, or the US does not offer them to "loyal allies" ???

[Koval Sergey]

The Germans began to show bоgreater independence. Yes, the hegemon is weakening.

[Avior]

... for the purchase of American fighters F / A-18 Super Hornets (30 units) and E / A-18G Growlers (15 units). However, the idea of ​​purchasing equipment from its own manufacturer is widely supported in the country.

Not produced by its own manufacturer. The plane is very necessary and useful in the modern world.
And the Superhornet is automatically pulled up to them.

[Ka-52]

Not produced by its own manufacturer. The plane is very necessary and useful in the modern world.

How is Growler different from the Eurofighter Typhoon? Only by the fact that radar reconnaissance and electronic warfare equipment was installed on it in place of part of the dismantled weapons and on the tips. In principle, this can be done with any combatant fighter. The question is not in the plane, but in the equipment itself. But whether Raytheon wanted to sell it directly is not a fact. And so the Germans, as accomplices of the Eurofighter Typhoon project, could insist on its production in versions of the RLR and EW aircraft

[Avior]

In principle, it can and is possible. And in Europe they could, in principle, independently develop
But in practice this is not the case.

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

In principle, it can and is possible. And in Europe they could, in principle, independently develop
But in practice this is not the case.

The Tornado ECR is in service.
Eurofighter ECR (Electronic Combat Role) will arrive in 2025

[Avior]

The tornado is very outdated, and Eurofighter has a very interesting idea.
Let's see what comes out

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

Tornado is heavily outdated

Tornado ECR was put into service in the mid-90s. 25 years of the car. Then 3/4 of the world's aircraft can be written into very obsolete. Electronic filling is constantly being modernized and updated. There can be nothing outdated by definition

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idea

[Avior]

The tornado was created in the late 80s, production since 1990.
But in terms of level and concept, this is far from being a Growler, it is a Tornado with enhanced capabilities to search for ground-based radars to defeat them with anti-radar missiles.
Eurofighter is another matter.
A full-fledged RTR and EW, Afar radars based on gallium nitride, and with the EW function, this is an aircraft of a different level.
And how much they bring to mind and how much it will cost, we'll see when it appears in service.

[Liam]

To argue about better / worse in such a "thin" matter as electronic warfare, RTR, REB is a hopeless business. The scientific and industrial potential of Europeans in this area is at least comparable to the American one, and therefore there should not be any strong differences. Moreover, this area is more important today. missiles, bombs and other "sports" elements will be.
"Scratched" your statement that the Europeans have nothing in this area and are not being developed and therefore Groler is our everything. This is not so

[Ka-52]

Yes, unfortunately we have it as well. Our Sorptions and Khibiny are not even close (((

[Garris199]

So "eurofighter" even with AFAR - this generation 4 ++ isn't it too late for a technologically advanced Europe to arm itself with such? Although if the "tornado" is still in the ranks ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Garris199

this generation 4 ++ isn't it too late for a technologically advanced Europe to arm itself with such?

Why should they fight?
It seems they are not going to.
And even if they do, with whom? With the Poles? With the Turks? Maybe with the French or the British?
And some thread another Libya / Serbia to bomb and Typhoons will be enough.

[donavi49]

They have 2 programs of the 5th generation:

Germans are involved in a French project from Dassault

the British with Leonardo make their

[rotmistr60]

Against the background of the need for additional purchases, an acute political struggle is being waged around "investments"

At first, they brought their air forces to the handle relying on NATO, but with the arrival of Trump, they realized that they were deeply mistaken. Now they break spears from whom to buy. Of course, you must bet on your own if it matches your time. But given that Germany hopes with the arrival of Biden to restore excellent relations with the United States, the purchase of American aircraft as a sign of respect and adherence to common values ​​is not excluded.

[times]

the budget committee of the German parliament agreed to spend up to 5,5 billion euros on the acquisition of a batch of 38 new Eurofighter Typhoon fighters. Now it's up to parliament.

Let's see which lobby is stronger.

[Eug]

So earlier they wrote that Tornadoes - carriers of nuclear weapons - are subject to replacement. Eurofighter does not seem to be a carrier of it, unlike SuperHornets.

[AntonR7]

Why do American mats need an army ?!

[Ax Matt]

Everything in history moves in a spiral: at such a pace, by 41, they will have full-fledged Luftwaffe ... One should think about when the Germans begin to move towards weapons!