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Pension reform in Russia: who lost, is it already clear, and who gained?

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The decision of the domestic authorities to "reformat" the pension system of our country, which caused an unprecedented storm of popular indignation, did not bring heaven to earth and did not become the end of the world - life goes on, including for those who were directly affected by these controversial innovations. The question is - has this life become better or worse ...


At the same time, how many citizens have suffered quite specific damage, having lost the opportunity to go on a well-deserved rest in the previously planned terms, has already been roughly calculated. According to available data, the moment of termination of labor activity during 2019-2020 has moved into the future for 800 thousand Russians. But surely there should have been those who won in this situation? After all, the increase in the retirement age, among other reasons, was also justified by the promise of an increase in already paid pensions. What is the situation with this moment?

As far as we know, primarily from official sources, payments have indeed been indexed since January 1, 2020. For old-age pensions, the ratio was 6.6%, and for social pensions - 7%. With a projected (last year) inflation rate of 3.8%, this looked quite good. As planned, the average size of an old-age insurance pension in 2020 was to be an average of over 14 thousand rubles, state social pensions - over 9 thousand rubles, and people with disabilities from childhood could count on more than 13 and a half thousand rubles a month.

The year is coming to an end, and now we can say that of these plans we managed to implement. According to the Federal State Statistics Service, the average pension in Russia really "stepped over" 15 thousand rubles. However, this is more than an average amount - in Moscow and the metropolitan region the average level of payments is 27 thousand rubles (due to additional payments from local budgets and a much higher level of salaries, on which the calculation of pensions depends), but in some other Russian regions - for example, in Kalmykia, Adygea or the North Caucasus, it does not even reach 12 thousand.

The so-called subsistence minimum for a pensioner has also been raised, which in fact determines the minimum amount of payments and varies greatly by region. On average, in Russia, this indicator increased in 2019-2020 by almost 500 rubles. All this sounds quite encouraging, but the final conclusions can only be drawn after the level of annual inflation has been accurately calculated. Then we will talk about whether it was possible to fulfill the order given by Vladimir Putin in 2018: "the pension should grow ahead of the rise in the cost of life."

In truth, based on the losses that the domestic economy suffered due to the coronavirus and oil crises, there are certain doubts about the feasibility of this postulate. There are fears that the thousand-ruble increase in pensions will be more than offset by inflation. Be that as it may, the formal indicators of the growth of payments outlined by the government, apparently, are being met. And how they relate to real life - time will tell.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 5 November 2020 06: 03 New
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    The question is - has this life become better or worse ...
    Ops ... For whom is this a question? Both those and these perfectly know the answer to this question.
    According to Rosstat data, the average pension in Russia really "stepped over"
    To rely on this data is not to respect yourself. Because according to Rosstat data, we have an average salary under fifty dollars. And the average temperature in the hospital, according to Rosstat, is 36,6. The mustache is good, the mustache is normal.
    based on the losses suffered by the domestic economy due to the coronavirus and oil crises
    These crises were provoked by domestic "water-makers", so who is the evil doctor to them now? That is just why the people must suffer because of these "effective managers". Well, apparently, because in 2018 he voted for the most-most effective. On the principle "if only there was no war." Now, without any war, we are dying out at a completely military pace. Are we going the right way?
    the government's formal targets for growth in payments are likely to be met. And how they relate to real life - time will tell
    For 20 years in a row, the time has shown that the "formal indicators set by the government" do not correlate with real life in any way. But from the bunker a cheerful voice is heard: "Everything is all right! No need to pay attention to the dollar rate!"
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 06: 16 New
      -23 qualifying.
      Quote: Far In
      The question is - has this life become better or worse ...
      Ops ... For whom is this a question? Both those and these perfectly know the answer to this question.
      According to Rosstat data, the average pension in Russia really "stepped over"
      To rely on this data is not to respect yourself. Because according to Rosstat data, we have an average salary under fifty dollars. And the average temperature in the hospital, according to Rosstat, is 36,6. The mustache is good, the mustache is normal.
      based on the losses suffered by the domestic economy due to the coronavirus and oil crises
      These crises were provoked by domestic "water-makers", so who is the evil doctor to them now? That is just why the people must suffer because of these "effective managers". Well, apparently, because in 2018 he voted for the most-most effective. On the principle "if only there was no war." Now, without any war, we are dying out at a completely military pace. Are we going the right way?
      the government's formal targets for growth in payments are likely to be met. And how they relate to real life - time will tell
      For 20 years in a row, the time has shown that the "formal indicators set by the government" do not correlate with real life in any way. But from the bunker a cheerful voice is heard: "Everything is all right! No need to pay attention to the dollar rate!"

      Is it really laughing Muscovites staged a picket? Khabarovsk residents?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 5 November 2020 08: 03 New
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        Raising the retirement age indicates a complete refusal of the state-va from social obligations, and therefore from the constitution.
        I remind the putrioto-skakuas that a state that does not care about its children and old people is DOOMED!
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 5 November 2020 08: 44 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          ... the state that does not care about its children and the elderly is DOOMED!

          "Yes, it is possible, sometime in the distant future everything can change - everything flows, everything changes."
          - said the President about the possibility of replacing the state with other forms of organization, speaking on Thursday via video link at a plenary session of the Valdai Discussion Club.
          2017th Putin V.V .:
          If we quietly drive away from paternalism, and everyone understands that his fate is primarily in his own hands, this will be a very correct direction in working with young people

          So the form of the state is already changing.
          And best of all, the form of these changes was characterized by a half-forgotten former Ukrainian athlete who "suddenly" became a politician (sincere greetings to the State Duma of the Russian Federation),
          Vitaliy Klichko:
          And today not everyone can look at tomorrow. Not only can everyone see it more than just everything, few can do it.
          lol
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 5 November 2020 21: 40 New
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            Colleague hi ,
            therefore, for those who have not entered the narrow circle of the "family" business called "Russia", only two options for the development of events are offered: "on their own" or immediately "to heaven."
          2. Arlen
            Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 05 New
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            Quote: Sovetskiy
            So the form of the state is already changing.

            The state is changing for the wrong form, oh, for the wrong one ...
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 6 November 2020 01: 25 New
              +6
              Quote: Arlen
              The state is changing for the wrong form, oh, for the wrong one ...

              Well, this ideological form was finally clarified by the unforgettable Mr. Chubais in an interview on the plane on June 22, 1996. From that moment on, this form twists only exclusively into the right. The only hope is that the time will come even during our lifetime, when these liberal "Pinochet" will end in the same way as their ideological inspirer.
        2. BAI
          BAI 5 November 2020 08: 47 New
          -8
          Raising the retirement age indicates a complete refusal of the state-va from social obligations, and therefore from the constitution.

          Here, everything is according to the constitution. Because a few years before the general raising of the age, the retirement age was raised to 65 for civil servants. And no one was outraged. And since, according to the constitution, all citizens are equal, they have made everyone equal. Strictly according to the constitution. It was necessary to be indignant when the retirement age was raised for civil servants.
          1. Civil
            Civil 5 November 2020 09: 14 New
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            Pension in 2020 - 15000 rubles is 192 dollars an exit at 60 and 65 years.
            Pension in 2010 - 7500 rubles is 234 dollars an exit at 55 and 60 years.
            That, in general, is the whole story.
            1. krops777
              krops777 6 November 2020 07: 30 New
              -7
              Pension in 2020 - 15000 rubles is 192 dollars an exit at 60 and 65 years.
              Pension in 2010 - 7500 rubles is 234 dollars an exit at 55 and 60 years.
              .


              Well for objectivity as without it
              The average pension in the USSR is 70 rubles. with a dollar of 0,6 per ruble, officially $ 116. So we didn't really go where.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 6 November 2020 09: 12 New
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                Quote: krops777
                Ну for objectivity how without it
                The average pension in the USSR is 70 rubles. at 0,6 dollar per ruble officially 116 dollars... So we didn't really go where.

                It does not give off objectivity, but smells of demagogy. Because the picture as a whole should be looked at, and not isolated "convenient" moments for their categorical conclusions.

                You do not take into account the time factor at all and do not take into account at all that the purchasing power of the dollar over the past 40 years has fallen by about THREE times (will you find the plate yourself or bring it?). That is, the then $ 116 today will be 348.

                And the rent in Soviet times did not take away half of the pension, but was some kind of penny. Transport was much cheaper. For example, a Soviet pensioner could easily travel to Crimea (and even fly), while a Russian pensioner could only stretch his legs for his pension.
                1. krops777
                  krops777 6 November 2020 12: 32 New
                  -10 qualifying.
                  You do not take into account the time factor at all and do not take into account at all that the purchasing power of the dollar over the past 40 years has fallen by about THREE times (can you find the table yourself or bring it?). That is, the then 116 dollars will be 348 today.
                  And the rent in Soviet times did not take away half of the pension, but was some kind of penny. Transport was much cheaper. For example, a Soviet pensioner could easily travel to Crimea (and even fly), while a Russian pensioner could only stretch his legs for his pension.


                  Officially, 1 ruble = 0,6 dollars and not officially 1 to 8, so consider yourself, my grandmother worked 50 rubles all her life on the collective farm, the pension is not really big on her in Crimea, as actually now. Therefore, for me, now that under the USSR, under the tsar, the people never lived well, excesses were always and there is no need to whitewash the USSR.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 6 November 2020 16: 25 New
                    +8
                    Quote: krops777
                    Officially 1 ruble = 0,6 dollars and not officially 1 to 8 so count yourself

                    The official rate is more realistic. The high, unofficial, speculative rate reflected the price of jeans at the flea market (1 in 10), not the total population.

                    And he was so high also because how to change currency (to be a currency dealer), it was a firing squad. A sane person did not do this! And, those rogues who were doing this naturally sold currency at a high rate. It was the price of risk.

                    Therefore, the rate of 1 to 10 did not reflect the real exchange rate in any way.
          2. Arlen
            Arlen 5 November 2020 10: 24 New
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            Quote: BAI
            It was necessary to be indignant when the retirement age was raised for civil servants

            Back in 2010, when Kudrin, being the Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister, said that it was time to think about raising the retirement age, the RCWP sharply criticized these plans, but no one supported the RCWP. Then, as later, everyone believed the president with his promise not to raise the retirement age while he was president.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 5 November 2020 21: 56 New
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              Greetings, Comrade! hi
              It is no coincidence that the apocalyptic theory of zombies prowling in search of untimely lost brains, it was in Russia that it received practical justification.
        3. Boris55
          Boris55 5 November 2020 09: 46 New
          -20 qualifying.
          Quote: Stroporez
          Raising the retirement age indicates a complete refusal of the state-va from social obligations, and therefore from the constitution.

          1. Arlen
            Arlen 5 November 2020 10: 27 New
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            That Boris, it is not the president who is to blame for raising the retirement age, but the mythical Trotskyists? Or is the social policy of the state sabotaged by Western LGBT people? wink
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 5 November 2020 10: 50 New
              -24 qualifying.
              Quote: Arlen
              raising the retirement age is not the president's fault, but the mythical Trotskyists?

              No, not Trotskyists, but the IMF. It was at his behest that the retirement age was raised in all socialist countries and former Soviet republics so that we could not compete with the West. The Trotskyists, in the person of Medvedev, were only executors for which they "went" into oblivion.
              1. Pilot
                Pilot 5 November 2020 11: 21 New
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                laughing Boris, your middle name is not Abramych by accident, or something similar .. wink
              2. Kronos
                Kronos 5 November 2020 13: 17 New
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                Why are you lying? Putin signed a decree
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 5 November 2020 21: 59 New
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                  Colleague hi ,
                  this is the state of "gut", which is characteristic of all "nychomyshes".
                  1. Arlen
                    Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 07 New
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                    Quote: Arlen
                    in raising the retirement age is not the president to blame, but the mythical Trotskyists?

                    Alexey hi They already got it all by these Trotskyists. There are none. Long gone. And they see all the Trotskyists. They are trying to justify everything.
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 6 November 2020 00: 55 New
                      +9
                      When the "switchman" cannot be appointed, they always blame the "glitch".
                      1. Arlen
                        Arlen 6 November 2020 01: 04 New
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                        The new issue of Trudovaya Rossiya newspaper published an article by Igor Olin "Don't you remember what you were promised. Then you won't be fined"
                        It says: One of the reasons for the fierce hatred of the working class for the autocratic-bourgeois system of the Russian Empire was all sorts of Jesuit fines, which, according to official statistics, took away from the workers up to a third of their earnings.
                        This I mean that everything comes back. And now the situation in the country is the same as it was one hundred and ten years ago. You can even say that the time has come for a strike alarm, an organized popular counter-offensive, on various "glitches".
                2. Arlen
                  Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 09 New
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                  Quote: Kronos
                  Why are you lying? Putin signed a decree

                  And he doesn't care. His task is to instill the myth of the "good king".
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 6 November 2020 01: 03 New
                    +7
                    The "scraping believers" have either communists or masons to blame for everything.
                    By the falsity of propaganda, Goebbels' propaganda has long been outdone.
                3. Boris55
                  Boris55 6 November 2020 08: 14 New
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                  Quote: Kronos
                  Why are you lying? Putin signed a decree

                  And he could not sign it? Did this law violate the Constitution? No. So he had no reason not to sign it.




              3. Arlen
                Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 07 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                Trotskyists, represented by Medvedev

                laughing And Medvedev is aware that he is a Trotskyist. Did Sobchak know that a Trotskyist was working on his team?
        4. frruc
          frruc 5 November 2020 17: 18 New
          +6
          "So that you live on your one pension !!!" - sounds like a sentence for an ordinary average pensioner (if, of course, he lived to see her).
          winked
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 5 November 2020 22: 20 New
            +7
            There lived an old man with his old woman. They lived poorly and had no bread. They went to the forest for acorns and after returning home began to eat them. (FROM)

            Colleague hi , this is all you need to know about the "fairy tale" promised by crooks.
        5. Arlen
          Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 14 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          Raising the retirement age indicates a complete refusal of the state from social obligations, and therefore from the constitution

          My friend, did the bourgeois government take on social obligations? The words of promise do not count, we have already seen the ability of the authorities to take words back.
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 5 November 2020 09: 00 New
        -6
        Why do you care? They say you are overwriting a whole maidan there again?
        1. depressant
          depressant 5 November 2020 13: 55 New
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          Who is to blame for raising the retirement age? People who made decisions on the preferential export of capital, and not on the creation of jobs.

          So that's it. According to the statistics of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (not to be confused with the statistics of Rosstat), we have the following.

          Foreign direct investment, which means not creating jobs, but direct control over Russian enterprises through the purchase of shares and joining the board of directors - these "investments" in the period from 1995 to 2019 amounted to $ 676,5 billion. The investment income received from these alleged investments and taken out of the country during this period amounted to $ 719,8 billion. Note, not trade, but income! Income from proceeds. It turns out that the investments brought 106,4% of the income. How can this be? According to experts, such an income with a profitability of 15%, which in itself is super-profitable, requires an investment of 4,8 trillion dollars in production. And it turned out like this: they invested 676,5 billion, and exported 719,8 billion. Not only were they returned everything, that is, 676,5 billion, so they also received a gift in the form of
          Delta = 719,8 - 676,5 = 44,3 billion
          This is called robbing the colony. And Putin continues to harshly urge: gentlemen foreigners, give us your investments! Which is equivalent to a requirement: rob the citizens of Russia! There is no smell of jobs here, no warmth and no shine.
          On the contrary. A foreigner comes to a Russian enterprise and begins to "optimize" the personnel, and then, after taking a closer look at local realities, replaces local workers with Tajiks.
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 5 November 2020 15: 21 New
        +2
        The Lefortovo area is located in the city of Moscow.
      4. the Saint
        the Saint 5 November 2020 20: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

        Have the Muscovites staged a picket? Khabarovsk residents?

        No, the retirees are rebelling together in the current ones, they want a pension earlier and more laughing
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 5 November 2020 06: 04 New
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    According to available data, the moment of termination of labor activity during 2019-2020 has moved into the future for 800 thousand Russians.

    Purely mathematically ... the further the retirement age is pushed back, the fewer people live to see it ... the stump is clear, the benefit for the Pension Fund is obvious ... a person paid pension taxes all his life and just before retirement he took and died (health is not iron) and that's it his money goes into someone else's pocket ... smacks of fraud.
    1. Asad
      Asad 5 November 2020 06: 10 New
      +5
      Increasingly, young people are starting to invest in their future retirement independently. And the main criterion, in foreign currency and on foreign exchanges. This means again finances go abroad and finance Western business!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 5 November 2020 06: 14 New
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        And the main criterion, in foreign currency and on foreign exchanges.

        I think there is another key reason for this distrust of our Pension Fund ... the officials are too brazen and free to dispose of people's pension savings without asking them for permission to move them to dubious projects ... the recent story with Chubais greatly angered me ... which then the swindler of the 90s decided to lay his paw on something that does not belong to him ... amazing arrogance.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 5 November 2020 06: 30 New
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          some kind of swindler of the 90s decided to lay his paw on something that does not belong to him ... amazing arrogance
          Not just some kind, but "looking" from the Fed. He knows where to get in without Vaseline. Where there is more money, there he is. Although he is the last lifesaver of the unnamed. Think about it - the rating has dropped to a minimum, we are removing the redhead from his post and oops !!! Voila, the rating is again 95.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 5 November 2020 08: 11 New
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          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          The recent history with Chubais very much outraged me ... some kind of swindler of the 90s decided to lay his paw on something that does not belong to him ... amazing arrogance.

          Alexey hi , why are you outraged by the only person, but not outraged by Eboputinism in general?
          All the persons involved in the 90s did not disappear anywhere, they put on expensive suits, began to say the "correct" words, but the essence of the 90s remained.
          Can't you see it?
      2. GTYCBJYTH2021
        GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 07: 45 New
        +9
        Quote: ASAD
        Increasingly, young people are starting to invest in their future retirement independently. And the main criterion, in foreign currency and on foreign exchanges. This means again finances go abroad and finance Western business!

        And how many young people have the opportunity to start investing in a FUTURE pension - young state employees-hired workers can hardly afford this .... Young people, no offense, your daughter or your son-grandchildren and your granddaughters, no offense, a man and a CITIZEN -they started investing in their FUTURE retirement in foreign currency and on the stock exchanges? hi
        1. Asad
          Asad 5 November 2020 07: 52 New
          0
          My son has been buying shares for a long time, 50/100 dollars a month can be afford. Naturally, this is the time, and learning is necessary! He made good money in these elections in the United States. Anything better than beer at the TV to pull!
          1. Dart
            Dart 5 November 2020 20: 18 New
            +4
            praise, good specul is growing! Here's a grandfather or great-grandfather would be happy, eh!
          2. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 6 November 2020 02: 31 New
            +3
            earned? in the us elections? however, most people put a different definition in the word work ...
    2. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 17: 29 New
      0
      ........ into the pocket of "servants of the people".
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 6 November 2020 07: 18 New
      -6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      the person paid pension taxes all his life and just before retirement took and died

      Where does such blatant financial illiteracy come from ?! I can't imagine .... What pension taxes do you pay all your life? Okay, I would have mentioned employers of all forms ... Look at your "zhirka", there, besides the personal income tax, there may be some kind of trade union, and that's it ... Where did you find the FIU there? Most of the population did not spend a dime on their pension. At the same time, note that almost all pension systems in the world work precisely by collecting both from the employer and from the employee's direct money received in the form of wages. Almost everything except ours. Your money is not in the FIU, unless by your decision you have become a participant in the voluntary pension savings program. In this case, what you enter is subject to inheritance (this is close to the text). How can you discuss a topic without first getting to know it approximately ?! Purely mathematically .... laughing
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 November 2020 09: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Hagen
        Where does such blatant financial illiteracy come from ?! I can't imagine ... What retirement taxes do you pay all your life?

        The employer pays, but from your own salary.
        It does not matter who does it, the employee himself, or the employer, or all together, the result is the same - all this comes from your salary.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 6 November 2020 13: 55 New
          -4
          Quote: Stas157
          The employer pays, but from your own salary.

          An employer pays a pension contribution for an employee from his own income, as a kind of tax for the right to open a workplace for an employee with a certain payroll. At the size of the payroll, the entire relationship between the employee and the employer's contributions to the FIU ends. You can voluntarily take part in the "voluntary pension insurance" program, you do not have to. But the employer cannot refuse contributions to the PFR. As a tax agent, the employer transfers only personal income tax from the employee's salary. Your payroll contains the amount of all charges that you agreed upon when you were hired, and all the deductions that the employer makes from your salary. Look, there is not a word about the FIU. If the employer manages to get away from contributions (many companies used to do this before they got on their tail), then he will still be obliged to pay you only what is in the contract. What he saved on contributions, he will not give you back. It should be understood that the "nature" of the obligations of salary payments and contributions is completely different.
      2. don-1500
        don-1500 6 November 2020 15: 10 New
        +5
        Where does such class illiteracy come from? All my employer pays for me is my 'labor tax'. And in his desire to make not profit, but in excess of profit, he constantly pokes me in the face with this. All these payments to the employer are the main reason that my salary is not growing.
  3. Mihail55
    Mihail55 5 November 2020 06: 07 New
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    The author also forgot to indicate the growth of payments for housing and communal services. But this is the lion's share of spending by pensioners. One gets the feeling that the pandemic phenomenon will help our authorities get rid of most of the ever-aching old people. Life has become better, life has become happier......
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 November 2020 14: 32 New
      +6
      Yes, some will be more fun.
      "The indexation of working pensioners is frozen ... According to the head of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, Anton Drozdov, as a result of this freeze, the budget will receive more than 350 billion rubles in 2020.
  4. U-58
    U-58 5 November 2020 06: 11 New
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    I would like to know the number of savings in pension payments received by the state due to "deferred" retirement, well, at least for 2019 ..
    And from the point of view of advanced payments, already at the time of the declaration of this procedure, an anecdote was born: the President's annual speech in the Federal Assembly.
    -... Inflation last year was, according to revised estimates, 0,1%. At the same time, from January 1 of this year, insurance pensions have been indexed and increased by 1%.
    I draw your attention to the fact that the growth of pensions is 10 times higher than inflation!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 5 November 2020 06: 20 New
      +6
      I draw your attention to the fact that the growth of pensions is 10 times higher than inflation!

      And the average salary in the country? ... Prices have grown well and the growth of wages is minimal.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 5 November 2020 06: 54 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        I draw your attention to the fact that the growth of pensions is 10 times higher than inflation!

        And the average salary in the country? ... Prices have grown well and the growth of wages is minimal.

        There is a joke on this subject.
        - A policeman approaches a beggar on the street
        - Not ashamed? Young, healthy, you stand here begging for alms. Have you tried to work?
        - So it’s me standing after work .......
        Fairy kingdom)))
    2. WIKI
      WIKI 5 November 2020 13: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: U-58
      I would like to know the figure of savings in pension payments received by the state due to "delayed" retirement

      Until 2027 $ 120 billion
      According to Forbes https://www.forbes.ru/finansy-i-investicii/363995-ocifrovka-deneg-pochemu-bankam-do-sih-por-ne-udalos-perevesti-vse-uslugi
    3. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 17: 37 New
      +4
      I don't think there is any savings. Do you know what pensions ex-deputies of various levels, governors, mayors, judges and other servants of the people have?
  5. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 5 November 2020 06: 11 New
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    They forgot to mention all sorts of FSIN officers, police officers, FSO and others .. they are guaranteed an early pension, but a metallurgist in hazardous production such as lead still has to survive without bent over from cancer ...
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 06: 24 New
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: From Tomsk
      They forgot to mention all sorts of FSIN officers, police officers, FSO and others .. they are guaranteed an early pension, but a metallurgist in hazardous production such as lead still has to survive without bent over from cancer ...

      The FSIN can put a sharpening under the ribs ..... Others, a bullet in the head, since they are in the armor ..... Yes, and the metallurgist sleeps in the crib with his beloved woman regularly and does not run around with an "alarming" suitcase for alarms, fees and etc. actions ...... Why then serve, you ask, and why are you working in hazardous production? hi
    2. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 17: 46 New
      -4
      FSIN (mere mortals, not Reimers) still have to live to see retirement. They also, one might say, sit with the prisoners. I don't want this kind of work for anyone. And their pensions are very modest, just like ordinary MVDs and FSOs.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 6 November 2020 10: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: frruc
        FSIN (mere mortals, not Reimers) still have to live to see retirement.

        Nobody survives ?? They seem to have an early pension ...
    3. Dart
      Dart 5 November 2020 20: 22 New
      +4
      Nothing, they also began to cut their hair ... otherwise they thought the reform would pass by? wassat
      I'm not out of spite, of course ... but the top is begging for her, sworn confusion.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 5 November 2020 06: 36 New
    13
    There are fears that the thousand-ruble increase in pensions will be more than offset by inflation.
    ... So it will be, fears are in vain. laughing
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 5 November 2020 06: 40 New
      +5
      So it will be, fears are in vain.

      smile Something like this.
  7. Van 16
    Van 16 5 November 2020 06: 54 New
    15
    From the very beginning, everything was very clear who will lose, who will gain. And then, the robber cannot be a loser, the one who is being robbed loses. People honestly paid taxes, they were simply thrown.
  8. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 November 2020 06: 54 New
    +1
    This is a punishment for the generation that did not go to defend their homeland when needed! They supported Yeltsin, and now you want a pension? Shish with butter!
    You've been warned!
    https://youtu.be/ieIvMWgVwr4
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 07: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Herman 4223
      This is a punishment for the generation that did not go to defend their homeland when needed! They supported Yeltsin, and now you want a pension? Shish with butter!
      You've been warned!
      https://youtu.be/ieIvMWgVwr4

      Then he served the country .... HOMELAND .... Not Yeltsin ..... At -94 they were reduced, at -98 they remembered, gave their consent .... they were restored .... Was ... WBD .... angry soldier
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 November 2020 07: 32 New
        +4
        People would support their soldiers in Moscow, GKChP. We would live now in a big country and with pensions, factories and plants would stand in their places. People did not come out, people kept silent when they destroyed their homeland! All our troubles today are the result of those decisions and the tacit consent of those years.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 5 November 2020 08: 20 New
          -3
          Quote: Herman 4223
          People would support their soldiers in Moscow, GKChP. We would live now in a big country and with pensions, factories and plants would stand in their places. People did not come out, people kept silent when they destroyed their homeland! All our troubles today are the result of those decisions and the tacit consent of those years.

          Moscow has always been in fat, drank and ate sweetly because of RUSSIA ..... always! There is no mystery - the fall of cattle was slaughtered - to Moscow from Siberia ...
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 5 November 2020 11: 02 New
            12
            Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
            Moscow has always been in fat, drank and ate sweetly because of RUSSIA ..... always!

            Moscow is different. There is Rublevka, and there is Golyanovo, and people in Moscow live differently.
            1. Arlen
              Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 10 New
              17
              Alexey hi
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Moscow, it is different

              Moscow may be different, but all finances, from all over Russia, flock there, and back to the regions from Moscow is a pittance. And it is in Moscow that anti-people laws are passed.
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              people in Moscow live different

              Yeah, different. Snickering to varying degrees.
          2. frruc
            frruc 5 November 2020 17: 56 New
            +1
            Dear, you are wrong. Not everything is so simple.
            1. Arlen
              Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 12 New
              18
              Quote: frruc
              Not so simple

              Perhaps, but in 1991 it was Muscovites who supported the EBN, and not the Emergency Committee. The result then was not long in coming ...
        2. Dart
          Dart 5 November 2020 20: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Herman 4223
          People would support their soldiers in Moscow, GKChP

          It was me who always poked at his friends, nowadays many are deceased ... And some were jubilant, "we will live!" .. foolish old man ..
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 9 November 2020 15: 14 New
            +1
            I am a Muscovite, did not support the bourgeois coup, fought at 93 for Soviet power. Why are all Muscovites so indiscriminate?
            The fault, the majority, in not understanding what is happening. People have lost their class flair. And no wonder, in the complete absence of class struggle, in a classless society. What an effort it took to make oneself believe that jeans and chewing gum would appear in abundance, while the bourgeois, eliminating the social gains of socialism, would not. On that and burned. And there was no chance, to be honest. Coups from above, when the resistance inside the country's leadership has been cleansed, always succeed. And then, in our case, comes the factor of the dull, at the level of a slogan, and not a real understanding of class consciousness.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 5 November 2020 07: 57 New
        +3
        I would serve the Motherland, I would have called traitors to account. And so you are an accomplice.
    2. depressant
      depressant 5 November 2020 07: 54 New
      12
      Colleague Herman 4223, you are mistaken now exactly as we were mistaken then. The image of an external enemy striving to erase the USSR from the world map was carefully formed. It took decades of propaganda to do this. But the image of an internal enemy striving to do the same did not manage to form in the popular mind by the time of the country's sharp disintegration with the transfer of Russia to pseudo-capitalist tracks. We saw the enemy at the gate, but we did not see the enemy who was already in the yard. The betrayal of one's own power did not appear as a visible image. Anything arose but this. The popular consciousness is inert according to the law of mentality formation and can always be deceived. For this, there is an extensive set of neurolinguistic tools that form the basis of domestic political techniques. Now there is the Internet, which makes it possible to somehow assess what is happening. And not the fact that the assessment is correct or final. Even now, most likely, we do not quite correctly assess the level of meanness, perpetrated by the authorities in relation to the population of the country. But the image of the government's betrayal has been formed over the past 30 years. And I don't know what the authorities can do to change this image to the opposite. If it, the power, sets such a goal at all. But this is unlikely.
    3. Aag
      Aag 5 November 2020 15: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Herman 4223
      This is a punishment for the generation that did not go to defend their homeland when needed! They supported Yeltsin, and now you want a pension? Shish with butter!
      You've been warned!
      https://youtu.be/ieIvMWgVwr4

      Your link does not open. But in general, I would like to know how old you were then? Just there are a number of acquaintances (72-80 years of age, still caught in Soviet childhood), who blame the older generation for everything. ) ...
      So. Do you know how the USSR Armed Forces treated Gorbach? In the 88th, as a green lieutenant, he began his service by shooting "Pioneers" (in the sense of SS-20). Yes, the young fools were happy, -the end of tension, cockroaches closer to home we will return ... But there was already a feeling that something was wrong here, - they were burning ... - they were burning, but where, it was not entirely clear ... One thing was clear, - to lose such an argument, - is criminal ... Therefore, the choice of Gorbach-EBN, - we did not know what could be worse ... I am trying to reproduce this for you, from memory, feeling ...
      Well, when on 28-20.08 struck (by the way, where were you at that moment? -Was such a question as popular, approximately, like some time later, Whose Crimea?), - with sweat, blood they put on the Topol DB ...
      You click enough. Burling opinions ... Decreasing combat readiness, -no! What are you trying to accuse me of ?! My comrades? Yes, even at the household level, -80% of divorces during that period, or a little later (women to their mother, "lace panties", closer to "normal" life ...) And we had a question about the safety of nuclear warheads! did not appear in the town. What? Should I have knocked helmets? Or re-aim?
      I swore the oath once. soldier hi
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 November 2020 17: 22 New
        -2
        When the parade of sovereignties started, could it be good for the country? Was it impossible to understand? People did not go to defend the country, people did not say we are against! When the red flag was lowered and when it was announced that the country no longer exists.
        They let their house be destroyed, and now they complain that it is cold and there is nothing to eat, that the pensions are gone and there is not enough work.
        1. Aag
          Aag 5 November 2020 19: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Herman 4223
          When the parade of sovereignties started, could it be good for the country? Was it impossible to understand? People did not go to defend the country, people did not say we are against! When the red flag was lowered and when it was announced that the country no longer exists.
          They let their house be destroyed, and now they complain that it is cold and there is nothing to eat, that the pensions are gone and there is not enough work.

          Your indignation is understandable, but either I am trying to explain badly, or you are not trying to understand ...
          The parade of sovereignties ... We saw ... We know ... Only each in his own way: my example, when all this turbulence, the turmoil began, stood in the fields (in field positions), the BSP had not yet been built, not surrendered. I do not know, Does this tell you what ... Roughly: soldiers, at best in tents, when not at posts, in trenches; officers - at the consoles, changed, - control of posts, the third shift, - forgetting under the screeching of equipment, the stomp of those awake in the unit on a removable shelf, or in a corner where there is less blowing from the equipment. Or, after changing from the DB, - there were five days off a month , -27 people in a 2-room apartment with bunk beds, in shifts ... Of course the buzz. After Plesetsk. Where in the training center there were no frames in the barracks. In the sink they argued, -staloctites, or stalogmites under the taps ... Okay, - lyrics, sorry ...
          So, when all this flooded, conscripts from all union republics Diko revived. I would not like to focus attention, but the fact is, the most ardent conscripts from Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic states ... Like they have a riot, they were allowed from above. So believe me. , there were more specific tasks ...
          For answering, albeit not specifically, thanks ...
          I didn’t try to make excuses, I wanted to make it clear how this is happening ... Well, and also, for understanding, a generation has already grown up (the first shoots), which will soon ask, from us, from you: "It was you who voted for zeroing, immunity ... "Have you ever wondered?
          Believe me, our generation for the most part suffered (IMHO) more, - goodies (pensions, honor, respect) are only an accompanying part. People have been deprived of their faith. Belief in justice, people, the state ... (Let the dear ones establish the priority, and not very forum users.)
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 6 November 2020 12: 39 New
            -1
            Perhaps you did the task of protecting the country, and many others did it too. The soldiers in Moscow would have complied with the order to defend the country if they had at least some support from the people.
            Mass protests did not begin in December when it was announced that the country would no longer exist, while a couple of hundred thousand people in Moscow would have been enough to preserve the country.
      2. impostor
        impostor 5 November 2020 18: 43 New
        +1
        Should I have knocked helmets or re-aim?

        One call from Vlasikha across the strait and you would be so re-aimed that you would have to knock on the permafrost and not with a helmet
        1. Aag
          Aag 5 November 2020 19: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: impostor
          Should I have knocked helmets or re-aim?

          One call from Vlasikha across the strait and you would be so re-aimed that you would have to knock on the permafrost and not with a helmet

          Greetings to a colleague!
          Yes, and so a long time from her (eternal) did not leave.
          This cannot be explained to everyone ... Com. the regiment of the time (K.V. Svidersky) clearly indicated, - to strengthen O&O, to limit contacts!
          But almost every night the "democrats" at the checkpoint with double-barreled guns in the "search for the truth" rolled ...
          1. Aag
            Aag 5 November 2020 19: 42 New
            +2
            Yes, and "Vlasikha" (for outside readers, the central command post of the Strategic Missile Forces) then became silent.
            No training, no clarification ...
            1. Aag
              Aag 5 November 2020 19: 51 New
              +2
              Apparently, due to the proximity to the capital, there were more unrest there ...
              According to the Oath, there may be a discrepancy: the protection of the "working people" - (who should be considered them); and, the Order of the Soviet government, which was not !.
    4. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 17: 52 New
      0
      Borka was supported by the State Department and the collective West. It turns out they are to blame?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 November 2020 18: 47 New
        0
        It was a goal for them, and they achieved it. Hitler, together with Europe, supported Vlasov, Krasnov and others. But they did not succeed, the people were against it.
    5. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 6 November 2020 11: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Herman 4223
      They supported Yeltsin, and now you want a pension? Shish with butter!

      The insane GKChP was no better. And you, with progressive and clever ideas, were not visible on the political horizon, otherwise you would have voted for you for sure.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 6 November 2020 12: 59 New
        -1
        The fact that one person's hands were shaking does not mean that there were senile people there, at least they tried to save the situation and called the people to this.
        And there was no need to vote, I had to take my feet in my hands, go out into the street (better in Moscow) and say that I am against killing the country.
  9. The popuas
    The popuas 5 November 2020 07: 09 New
    +8
    This is a rogue state! Oil is not growing, we will raise excise taxes! Oil is growing, the price of gas is growing, prices automatically rise accordingly, and the excise profit is greater. It remains only to declare concerns with a clever look.
    1. frruc
      frruc 5 November 2020 18: 00 New
      -1
      The way it is. Where to get money for government programs? If these funds had not yet been plundered
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 5 November 2020 07: 13 New
    12
    The rich never cared about working people and never will!
    This is so obvious that it seems incredible how society is passive, accepts all of this ... we are from a country where there were practically no poor.
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 November 2020 10: 02 New
      14
      It's just that we still cannot overcome our mentality, according to which the task of the authorities is to take care of the population. The mentality that developed during the Soviet era. We think, well, of course, our government, at least most of its representatives, including the president - they are also from the USSR, which means they have the same idea of ​​their own role as we do - taking care of the population. But at the same time we forget that these people by the time of the collapse of the Union were already all representatives of the authorities and threw us then. Their task is to throw us now, paying off handouts to the poorest, so that we do not take to the streets. The younger generation of the ordinary population does not bother with this throwing yet. It believes that since we survived then, it, the younger generation, will also survive later.
      But we didn't survive! How much it took! Who remembers the untimely departed? Young and old? Cemeteries are remembered.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 November 2020 10: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        It's just that we still cannot overcome our mentality, according to which the task of the authorities is to take care of the population.

        It's strange, of course ... although it's time to admit that this is somehow not normal.
        As then, long gone ... but as now, our people will not enter in any way!
        1. depressant
          depressant 5 November 2020 15: 17 New
          +5
          And they powder our brains and know how to do it. Well, listen to how Putin says about us! First - like a kind daddy about a child, then - like a kind grandfather. Once he even addressed people on TV - "my dear ones!" Then it just came to light that he was addressing his relatives. And the old women, I suppose, were crying with emotion. Words that are worthless.
          And in general, I insist on what I said in the previous topics: the pension reform as a sharp subject closest to the people is a rattle that distracts us monthly from what is truly significant - what is quietly happening in the corridors of power. Adoption of the law on the State Council ... Adoption of the law on - just think! - the inviolability of the ex-president, and laughter and sin! Elaboration of the transaction for the sale of Russian oil fields to Lukashenko. We sniffed out the best Asians from them, they didn't sign up. But this is for now. Dashing trouble is beginning, the sale will go!

          And in general, I am angry today - brought me to the Top Five, then to the market. A simple bell pepper, not a greenhouse one - plump, large, flawless, but skinny, withered, dead, from the field - 135 rubles! Exactly as much as the greenhouse cost a year ago, and people bought it piece by piece.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 November 2020 18: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            And they powder our brains and know how to do it

            And books should have been read earlier ... to learn history.
            There is nothing fundamentally new and cannot be.
            The wrapper is prettier, but the smell is still the same.
            Quote: depressant
            brought me to the top five

            We all go there, not in one, so in another ... although I still have my own pepper, I can't stand the store.
  11. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 5 November 2020 07: 25 New
    0
    Why are these lengthy theoretical considerations?

    Tell me, is there at least one pensioner at VO?
    He can tell us clearly and distinctly, for example:
    "Yesterday I received 14 rubles of my pension, but today it was increased by 000% and I now receive 6,6 rubles." Then everything will fall into place.
    1. U-58
      U-58 5 November 2020 08: 15 New
      14
      My wife is like that.
      And I would be like this if I didn't work.
      But I'm working, therefore, 2 indexes have already been skipped. I receive less than 2000 monthly
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 5 November 2020 08: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: U-58
        My wife is like that.
        And I would be like this if I didn't work.
        But I'm working, therefore, 2 indexes have already been skipped. I receive less than 2000 monthly

        Thank you. hi
    2. Alexander X
      Alexander X 5 November 2020 08: 37 New
      +3
      I `m a pensioner. Overworked for a couple of years. For two years of processing, the pension has not been indexed. I stopped working, brought a certificate from my place of work stating that I no longer work and my pension was indexed to the current level. Currently, the pension is the same as that of all ordinary non-working pensioners ...
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    4. saigon
      saigon 5 November 2020 12: 04 New
      +5
      Yes, I can say disability group 3 earned in hazardous industries as it was 12400 and remained and thanks for taking care of up to 65 years of work experience of harmfulness was not enough. And where to work, go with the group to the security?
  12. Mihail55
    Mihail55 5 November 2020 08: 36 New
    +9
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Tell me, is there at least one pensioner at VO?

    We have smile Unfortunately, it works! 10 900 with kopecks. For 5 years added 90r.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 November 2020 09: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Michael55
      We are Unfortunately working! 10 900 with kopecks. For 5 years added 90r.

      Quote: Alexander X
      I `m a pensioner. Overworked for a couple of years. For two years of processing, the pension has not been indexed. I stopped working, brought a certificate from my place of work stating that I no longer work and my pension was indexed to the current level. Currently, the pension is the same as that of all ordinary non-working pensioners ...

      Quote: U-58
      My wife is like that.
      And I would be like this if I didn't work.
      But I'm working, therefore, 2 indexes have already been skipped. I receive less than 2000 monthly

      Thanks to all who answered!
      In our area, the work of pensioners is also not stimulated. But because of the scanty (practically zero) inflation there is nothing to index, and the State simply limited the part-time job to a certain amount, after which the pension is cut exactly by the amount earned. I do not want to go into uninteresting details of the components of pensions here, but the point is that the permitted amount is approximately 1/3 of the minimum wage, which makes part-time work completely unprofitable.

      In other words, the State wants pensioners not to take jobs for which young people can apply, although pensioners, as a rule, earn extra money where young people are not very keen. Before the pandemic, our unemployment was also very low (exactly a year ago, 3,7%, but now, of course, it's a different matter - 9,7%, but a decline is promised.).
      1. depressant
        depressant 5 November 2020 12: 35 New
        11
        Colleague A. Privalov! The government is doing this in order to free up jobs for guest workers, who will now receive pensions under an international agreement. What is a penny for us is money in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The Chinese are squeezing workers out of these countries, and they come to us, squeezing out pensioners from cheap jobs. Yes, in fact, from any where they fit.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 5 November 2020 15: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          Colleague A. Privalov! The government is doing this in order to free up jobs for guest workers, who will now receive pensions under an international agreement. What is a penny for us is money in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The Chinese are squeezing workers out of these countries, and they come to us, squeezing out pensioners from cheap jobs. Yes, in fact, from any where they fit.

          The problem of guest workers also exists here, but it is somewhat different. There is a fight against illegal workers. There are several categories of professions that, according to special quotas, receive the right to officially work with all due social conditions for a period of 3 years. However, they do not go home. There are also those who came under the guise of tourists and who remained to work illegally. However, as a rule, pensioners do not work in the jobs that guest workers go to.
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 November 2020 09: 09 New
    +2
    Yeah, when these people had a desire to do something for the population, first cover their ass in front of the authorities with beautiful reports, then think about their pocket, after about how to hide it more. When the population is engaged, everyone is in business, there is no time, there is no time. Well, they will throw in a thousand, and then they will take them away with voluntary payments for air.
  14. Mihail55
    Mihail55 5 November 2020 09: 18 New
    +2
    Then an immodest question arises. The state spread rot in the spring of those who are 65+ ... now it is also moving towards this. My wife and I have already come to terms that they can easily fire me! BUT ... why don't the owners want to part with the grumpy oldies ??? smile
  15. prior
    prior 5 November 2020 12: 26 New
    +8
    Pension in Russia is a model of social inequality, a model of the age and financial genocide of the ruling class in relation to the older generation.
    The economic system, the notorious oligarchic capitalism and the power that personifies it is to blame.
    The power will not change, NOTHING will change for the better.
    1. Nikza
      Nikza 5 November 2020 14: 13 New
      0
      Why did you decide that the government is "a betrayer for the better" if everything suits everyone? "The mice were injected, crying, but they continued to eat the cactus" :-))
      1. depressant
        depressant 5 November 2020 15: 31 New
        +5
        No, colleague, nothing suits us - not the well-fed faces of the well-fed, self-satisfied rulers without a shadow of concern on their cheerful faces, nor our day by day skinny wallets. For the ruling caste, we are an annoying hindrance, with which it is forced to play cat and mouse between the important and necessary business of “optimizing” state revenues in their offshore companies, not in foreign ones, but in Russian ones. Here, on the topic, I have already cited the Central Bank data on how the country was robbed from 1995 to 2019.
  16. Nikza
    Nikza 5 November 2020 14: 09 New
    -9
    Again whining about pensions :-)) You, pensions, are ALREADY getting paid pensions, and you are still whining. Like sheep "maaaaaalo ... maaaaaaalo .." I was finally canceled, in fact, the pension, and I'm not whining. And the hell to whine, ALREADY did it, with 65 and promised to do it with 70. The working Pensioners are especially surprising :-)) Well, WHERE do you have so much money then? Not today or tomorrow to visit the churchyard, can you live for yourself a bit, and finally? My dad gets a penny, Moscow, almost 20 rubles. And he lives in the village, in his house. Light, gas, pennies come out. In winter, if only for gas heating, also garbage, in fact. 000 tr. consider it to be pure cash. It's like in Mukhoska the whole salary, which is considered good there. Go to the village to live, to the nature, a vegetable garden there, chickens, a penny for the eyes is enough for everything, for life. And free up the workplace. You see, the employer will raise the salary if no one goes to work for a penny.
    Or a hard worker. Noyut "ahhh, the salary is small ..." well, if you don’t like it, quit "nope, where will I go?" do you want that "I want a big salary!" (real conversation) :-)))
    Py Sy
    Nobody will sympathize with you, pensioners, as long as salaries in Rashka are almost the same as pensions ...
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 5 November 2020 17: 16 New
      +1
      Well, the well-fed does not understand the hungry
  17. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 November 2020 17: 00 New
    +1
    The Central Bank has published a new draft penny on its website. provision.
    If this scheme is introduced (with IIS), the FIU officials with luxurious offices can be removed - the shameful pad will not be needed.
    But without the strong-willed decision of the leader of the nation, this camarilla (RPF) cannot be dispersed.

    https://m.tsargrad.tv/shows/gotovitsja-masshtabnaja-pensionnaja-reforma-kopit-na-pensiju-pridjotsja-samostojatelno-2_293805
    1. depressant
      depressant 5 November 2020 20: 08 New
      +3
      Comrade Kim, if officials of the Pension Fund are to be removed, it will be very gradually, starting with ... pensioners. Otherwise, what to do with a significant number of people accustomed to a good salary? Given that the government is looking for ways to put pressure on Shoigu and reduce the army by 100 thousand people. Even if half of the reduced army posts are only on paper, a one-time addition to the already existing 3,3 million people queuing at the labor exchange, a large number of bureaucrats and the military is a serious increase in social tension. I repeat, if there are any abbreviations, they will be extremely accurate. And there, you see, new bureaucratic structures will arrive in time, those dismissed will enter them - by pull, by brother, by matchmaker ...
      Bureaucrats, once having begun to multiply, become indestructible, as ... "cockroaches" almost wrote. Cockroaches disappeared. Speaking thanks to Chinese chalk. I remember it was on sale)))
      1. Dart
        Dart 5 November 2020 20: 39 New
        +2
        They say that in general they unscrewed from our planet ... to see, to smell something ... what
        If the bureaucrats too ... would evaporate ..
        1. depressant
          depressant 5 November 2020 21: 33 New
          +2
          Yes, here ...
          A couple of years ago, when one of the neighbors contrived to relax in the south and, upon returning, told everyone loudly about this, how I learned about it, after a short time in the kitchen I suddenly saw a half-dead red cockroach slowly crawling along the wall to the sink. My fear was at the level of cardiac arrest - as if it had hit me! Well, despite my sympathy for the unfortunate dehydrated insect, I hit and threw the corpse into the trash can. A neighbor from the south brought us all a gift.
          Why did I think so? When I moved from the south to Central Russia a long time ago, I also brought one such half-dead man in a suitcase. I remember very much. I don't know how it is now, but in those days, despite the active use of all possible means, including Chinese crayons, cockroaches raged in the south. I was very surprised that they were no longer in the north of the country.
          And as for the bureaucrats, this tribe will be stronger than the cockroach.
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 5 November 2020 20: 23 New
    +2
    I think that there is nothing and no one to consider and listen to.
    The creators of the "reform" must respond by excommunication from power - this is where efforts must be made.
    And now they will begin to mold "new parties" and hide there, mimic in every possible way.
    Our task is to make them "No Pasaran" at the Duma and then at the presidential elections.
    Even if a miracle happens, and out of fear they will return "everything back".
  19. Azimuth
    Azimuth 5 November 2020 20: 28 New
    +3
    It was easier to ask, who even hopes to live to retire after increasing the retirement age? ...

    With a widespread violation of labor legislation, work for 10-12 hours, difficult and dangerous working conditions, increased stress loads, what kind of pension is there ?!
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 13 New
      15
      Quote: Azimuth
      It was easier to ask, who even hopes to live to retire after increasing the retirement age? ...

      I. To spite them. bully
  20. Bat039
    Bat039 5 November 2020 23: 07 New
    +5
    Speaking about the average pension in the Russian Federation, we need to talk about the pension that most pensioners in the Russian Federation receive, which is about 11000 rubles a month. A miserable sum, based on the prices of housing and communal services, medicines, food and clothing. Raising the retirement age in Russia and such pensions is fascism !!!
  21. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 November 2020 23: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: BAI
    Because a few years before the general raising of the age, the retirement age was raised to 65 for civil servants. And no one was outraged. And since, according to the constitution, all citizens are equal, they have made everyone equal. Strictly according to the constitution. It was necessary to be indignant when the retirement age was raised for civil servants.

    This was done at the numerous requests of "working officials" who, from their "warm and dust-free places" are ready only "feet first" !!!
  22. Arlen
    Arlen 6 November 2020 00: 01 New
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    Pension reform in Russia: who lost, is it already clear, and who gained?

    A strange question ... Of course, the power.
  23. Alex66
    Alex66 6 November 2020 07: 42 New
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    The pension system created by Putin is not constitutional:The state guarantees equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence Why do some people retire before age 40, while others at 65?
  24. Karabin
    Karabin 6 November 2020 09: 57 New
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    The decision of the domestic authorities to "reformat" the pension system of our country, which caused an unprecedented storm of popular indignation ...
    Was it a storm? Probably in a basin. The terpils, bustling under their breath, dutifully gulped their pension rip off, and some also ask for supplements.
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 6 November 2020 21: 58 New
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    Quote: Alex66
    The pension system created by Putin is not constitutional:The state guarantees equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence Why do some people retire before age 40, while others at 65?

    And someone does not allow you to go where "retired at 40"?
    Are they deprived of such "rights and freedoms"?
    Or would you like to stay "before 40" not there, and then, "after 40" to get there?
    And eat a fish, and then, in absentia, become a retired submarine commander?
    Emelya with his stove is just a pitiful loser, in comparison ...