"KrAZ has a lot of systemic problems": the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has stopped purchases from the car plant

Today, the Ukrainian military vehicle fleet is a model collection of over two hundred brands of equipment, and its obvious obsolescence is evident. The country's only truck manufacturer could theoretically rectify the situation, but the military department refuses to cooperate with him.

Remnants of the Soviet legacy

As the resource ArmiaINFORM points out, the main means of ensuring the mobility of troops is military vehicles. However, there are obvious problems in this logistic link:

In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there are about 218 brands and models of vehicles

- the newspaper writes, pointing out that in its overwhelming part these are technically obsolete machines, produced in the days of the USSR.

The most numerous examples of vehicles are UAZ-3151 and -469, GAZ-66, ZiL-131, Ural-4320, KamAZ-4310. It is easy to see that all the car factories that produce them have already ceased to function or are operating in Russia.

The Kremenchug Automobile Plant located in Ukraine, the only truck manufacturer in the country, could potentially unify and update this vehicle fleet. However, the Ministry of Defense refuses to work with him.

Systemic problems of KrAZ

According to the resource "Defense Industrial Courier", a representative of the military department said that KrAZ had "systemic problems" that make it look for alternative suppliers of vehicles abroad. In particular, this concerns the Neptune coastal missile system. One division of this DBK requires 20 vehicles. Now the decision to purchase equipment from Czech Tatra is at the stage of adoption. According to the resource our source, the Ministry of Defense stopped purchasing even ordinary trucks from KrAZ because of the huge debts that the company has overgrown.

At the same time, shortly, in March of this year, the President of Ukraine visited this enterprise.

These tests are truly impressive

- said Zelensky, having sat behind the wheel of armored vehicles produced here in single copies.

Against the background of the deplorable situation with the vehicle fleet and production, the military department, recognizing the severity of the problems, shares its plans for the rearmament of the army. The need to develop several families of cars is pointed out, especially with hybrid engines, which reduce the thermal signature. In the future, the main promising direction for the development of the vehicle fleet should be the development of robotic technology, which will reduce human losses. But who will invest in these developments, and whether there will be at all, is unknown.

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[tihonmarine]

Everything is being done to stop the production of trucks in Ukraine and to bury KRAZ.

[credo]

Quote: tihonmarine

Everything is being done to stop the production of trucks in Ukraine and to bury KRAZ.

According to the logic of the Anglo-Saxons, this is exactly how it should be - "All factories should be closed by the aborigines in order to buy everything they need from us (ie the Anglo-Saxons)."
As long as Ukraine has the means, it will be milked to complete exhaustion, simultaneously destroying all the economic legacy that it inherited from the USSR.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

According to the logic of the Anglo-Saxons, this is exactly how it should be - "All factories should be closed by the aborigines in order to buy everything they need from us (ie the Anglo-Saxons)."

It was rightly said that this method is just described in the book "I am an economic killer".

[vVvAD]

And in the absence of its own products, to be completely dependent on US-controlled products manufactured in the manner of a designer by Europeans. Those. even if there is money, if they want, they will not sell.

[Alex777]

Everything is being done to stop the production of trucks in Ukraine and to bury KRAZ.

National bats have nothing to ride now?
For some reason I don’t feel sorry for them.
Bogdana "Old Man" has ceased to supply.
Solid zrada, wherever you look ...

[g1v2]

And that's great. There is no need in an enemy country to have its own chassis for equipment and its own trucks. Let them import.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: g1v2

And that's great. There is no need in an enemy country to have its own chassis for equipment and its own trucks.

And as in the film about Kamo, the anarchist said "And on the free steppe, free horses and people will walk." Why do they need a car for the Sumerians, go from Zhmyrinka to Kiiv.

[g1v2]

Wild field, as it once was.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: g1v2

Wild field, as it once was.

And Catherine the Great made him the Kuban, the Russian Empire. Clever woman.

[andrewkor]

"Emergency assignment", if my memory does not change.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: andrewkor

"Emergency assignment", if my memory does not change.

That's right, but I've forgotten the name.

[times]

Quote: tihonmarine

Everything is being done to stop the production of trucks in Ukraine and bury KRAZ

Surprisingly, in Ukraine it seems that they do not understand this

[t-12]

This is called specialization. Ukraine specializes in growing "anti-Russian" cannon fodder. Western partners specialize in the production of all kinds of hardware that are sold to Ukraine in exchange for an anti-Russian policy. Therefore, all sorts of KRAZ for Ukraine are a non-core asset. What many Ukrainian figures openly say that their main task is not the development of technology, but "the development of Ukrainian patriotism."

[Cuba]

Europe does not need competitors!

[ximkim]

Don't carry rockets, it's so good in the taiga ... they bury

[Virus-free crown]

"You need to feed" (c)

If there were government funding in KRAZ, there would be a wide variety of cars ... and so ... as they say, "No money - no sex")))

[Avior]

KrAZ - private enterprise
This must be the owner's problem

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Avior

KrAZ is a private enterprise

yes even gray-brown-crimson !!!
The question is simple - there is a unique enterprise with unique developments, you can, of course, like Antonov and Motor Sich, bankrupt it and buy Tatras ... or you can fill it up with orders and raise it from the ruins ... as they say, the question of political will is all

[Avior]

You wrote nonsense about Motor Sich, it works as it did, and as for Kraz, he has and had orders, but if its owner would only like to take the cream off the orders, and not invest in the company, and he has money, then let it be the owner's problem.
The desire to fill up with orders should not translate into pumping money to the next oligarch.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Avior

You wrote nonsense about Motor Sich, it works as it did

If reducing the output of finished goods by 80%, it "works as it worked", then of course. This is without taking into account the outflow of unique specialists, with a beggarly salary.

[Cuba]

Svidomye live with some kind of illusion ....

[not main]

Quote: Crown without virus

Quote: Avior

KrAZ is a private enterprise

yes even gray-brown-crimson !!!
The question is simple - there is a unique enterprise with unique developments, you can, of course, like Antonov and Motor Sich, bankrupt it and buy Tatras ... or you can fill it up with orders and raise it from the ruins ... as they say, the question of political will is all

Yes, what are you talking about? Unique? What's this? The fact that since the middle of the 20th century, the YaAZ-210 has been produced practically unchanged? For comparison, look at MAZ! Which received the same car, but a two-axle one, and what did KrAZ do? Never mind! they just produced the YaAZ-210 for over 50 years! And what did MAZ do? Compare 200, 500 and beyond! So, KrAZ died long before the Maidan! More precisely, in 1991, when the Army stopped buying it! For some time he still tried to "emerge", but with such technologies ... who needs it? For comparison, Belarus again! MAZ (moreover, buses that have not been made before), MZKT, BelAZ, and MTZ!

[Eugene-Eugene]

GAZ too. As well as the Arzamas machine plant, where the Tigers make. And it's not just about government orders. In case of extreme need, they will be able to feed themselves, although they will lose power. Because there is access to the customer base, and they do not deprive them of the latter, their buyer, unlike KrAZ.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Corona without virus

If there were government funding in KRAZ, there would be a variety of machines.

This means that the state does not need a plant that produces trucks. As in many republics, "they left socialism, but did not accept capitalism."

[Avior]

... This means that the state does not need a plant that produces trucks.

And the state does not have it, another oligarch has it

[rotmistr60]

There are problems with KrAZ, with Antonov, Motor Sich there are big problems, with shipbuilding the same story. And just the other day, the apologists of the Ukrainian statehood and the chosen path argued in the comments that the GDP is growing, there are no problems with paying off loans, and soon the Ukrainians will heal. It turns out that it is enough for Zelensky to just sit behind the wheel to say

These tests are truly impressive

Then everyone is happy and ready for new achievements.

[tihonmarine]

These tests are truly impressive

Quote: rotmistr60

Then everyone is happy and ready for new achievements.

On termination of production and bankruptcy of KRAZ.
Zelensky gave the go-ahead, "You will survive well, but we will not help you."

[Avior]

Who told you that there is a problem with the Motor?
He worked as he works.

[Servisinzhener]

Their GDP really grew ... to the pre-Maid level ... after 6 years ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Servisinzhener

Their GDP really grew ... to the pre-Maid level ... after 6 years ...

And how much has Russia's GDP grown without Maidan?

2014 - 2 trillion. 056,583 billion dollars
2019 - 1 trillion. 610,381 billion dollars

2020 - 1,46 trillion. dollars (forecast)

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Pilat2009

2014 - 2 trillion. 056,583 billion dollars
2019 - 1 trillion. 610,381 billion dollars
2020 - 1,46 trillion. dollars (forecast)

Due to which industries and what products did the economy rise?

[Servisinzhener]

GDP is an interesting thing and can be different. There is such a thing as GDP at PPP. And if the dollar rate grows, then the forecasted estimates of GDP for 2020 cited by you will become lower, but GDP at PPP will not change much as well.
Or if Ukraine is granted a loan of 150 billion, then its GDP will show a twofold growth.

[Niel-le-Calais]

Quote: Servisinzhener

Their GDP really grew ... to the pre-maid level ... after 6 years.

with the war, the loss of one of the main centers of production, with the loss of the main sales market.
6 years old is not bad. One Georgian said that decades are needed ...
But the war is going on, the territories are still under occupation. The main market is lost.

[APASUS]

Against the background of the deplorable situation with the vehicle fleet and production, the military department, recognizing the severity of the problems, shares its plans for the rearmament of the army. The need to develop several families of cars is pointed out, especially with hybrid engines, which reduce the thermal signature. In the future, the main promising direction for the development of the vehicle fleet should be the development of robotic technology, which will reduce human losses.

The state does not buy equipment from KRAZ, but stands up for the development of technologies. So who will buy these technologies, if in difficult times the state itself refused the products of the enterprise.

[Borik]

So, KRAZ is dying.

[rocket757]

You shouldn't finish off your own industry. This is very dangerous for any state.

[ANB]

... You shouldn't finish off your own industry.

Worth it. If it is Ukrainian, then it's worth it.

[rocket757]

I didn't build my own happiness on someone else's misfortune.
A bad thing is not tricky ... tell me, has it become more or less acceptable in our country? And even then not everywhere.
By the way, this is partly due to the foreign guardians with their sanctions.
There is still a lot to be done, to fix, things are not counted!

[ANB]

... I didn't build my own happiness on someone else's misfortune.

Now capitalism. ChChV. Competition. Without taking away the market, your industry cannot be raised.
In my HF in the fleet there were 1 UAZ, 1 KAMAZ, 1 Ural, the rest was all krazy. Now Kamaz will be able to supply its equipment there.
Ukraine killed its metallurgy - OEMK received orders.

[Avior]

On-site mallurgy in Ukraine, works.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

On-site mallurgy in Ukraine, works.

It may work, but, for example, the Ural Wagon Plant switched from Ukrainian steel to the purchase of Chinese steel. And even the sanctions have nothing to do with it: the quality is nowhere worse, the Chinese is better. Lived.

[Avior]

Can you give a link where this information comes from? I found something else.
I doubt that politics has nothing to do with it, if so

... According to Pavel Kureneev, director of Vagonremsbyt (part of Uralvagonzavod JSC), more often companies prefer either Russian or Ukrainian wheels produced by PJSC Interpipe.
“I think that the Ukrainian Interpipe was already quite busy with the production of solid-rolled wheels, so I doubt that Ukraine's decision is connected with the idea of ​​taking over a part of the market. Since Interpipe has been on the market for a long time and the cost of components is a couple of thousand rubles cheaper than Russian ones, our companies more often preferred the Ukrainian manufacturer. In terms of quality, these wheels are perceived well. If the owner is offered a choice of Russian and Ukrainian wheels, they are perceived in the same way, "Pavel Kureneev explained to Gudku.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gudok.ru/newspaper/amp/%3fID=1504280&archive=2020.05.19

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

Can you give a link, where does this information come from?

I can't specifically link. The information came across about three years ago on the site http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/ (The blog host is a fairly informed person on UVZ)

[Avior]

I rummaged, but I could not find such information on the net.

[rocket757]

Everything is correct. You have to keep your market for yourself. Only not only by restrictive measures, but with quality and so on, you can sit in a galoshe!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

You shouldn't finish off your own industry.

This should be a life formula. Uncle will not come and will not build.

[rocket757]

Almost the northern fur-bearing animal has come to us! Barely, barely drove away and then not far away .... to the neighbors, it seems.

[Alex777]

You shouldn't finish off your own industry.

This is possible and necessary.
Is it right and good when there is nothing to fight on?

[rocket757]

I won't argue, but I don't want to rejoice either.

[Xnumx vis]

Powerful. good cars. This is how it goes glory to Ukraine .. There is no shipbuilding! There is no mechanical engineering! There is no rocketry! No tank building! There is no aircraft construction! No instrumentation Ay !!!!! There is nothing ! Lard and that is Polish !!! Glory ukraYny where are you !!!!!?

[maktub]

It’s not all that simple. The State Border Service put Zhivago on the wanted list because of the "hassle" with loans and the withdrawal of funds. All accounts of AvtoKraz were arrested for debts
If I am not mistaken, Zhivago is "persecuted" for embezzlement of 2,3 billion UAH

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: maktub

It’s not all that simple. The State Border Service put Zhivago on the wanted list because of the "hassle" with loans and the withdrawal of funds. All accounts of AvtoKraz were arrested for debts
If I am not mistaken, Zhivago is "persecuted" for embezzlement of 2,3 billion UAH

Not everything is so simple ... I am the daughter of a naval officer from Sevastopol, I will tell you a secret ...

[maktub]

Don't be smart about it.
Sometimes at least change the "record"

[Lesorub]

The Kremenchug Automobile Plant located in Ukraine, the only truck manufacturer in the country, could potentially unify and update this vehicle fleet. However, the Ministry of Defense refuses to work with him

Just work to finish off production in Ukraine (if its own manufacturer was interested, then the country's leadership would go to meet and modernize production), and so the foreign lobby will finish off Kraz.

[tihonmarine]

If everyone were smarter, and didn’t run to "independent" apartments, then it would be possible to create a powerful, competitive concern "KAMAZ-KRAZ-MAZ", which could provide three republics with its cars, and even sell to others.

[maktub]

He smiled. Why didn't they unite in the Soviet era?

[Eugene-Eugene]

They produced different lines of machines with different functionality. And all car factories were united at the level of the USSR Ministry of Automotive Industry

[Rubi0]

Cheers comrades

[bar]

"KrAZ has many systemic problems"

Suddenly. Is he still alive?

[svan26]

KRAZ had two advantages - the price and the YaMZ engine. The whole third world was buying it because of the price. Cuba, Nigeria, In the 15th year, when it was announced that it was abandoning Russian components, the truck became uncompetitive. Hence the financial problems. Tatra wins a lot for similar money.

[Avior]

The announcement was announced, but the Russian engines were not actually abandoned

And the problems at the plant began even before 2015

[Polymer]

Quote: svan26

KRAZ had two advantages - the price and the YaMZ engine.

More advantages, in my opinion. They showed themselves very well as small mining dump trucks.

[Thrifty]

Immediately it is necessary to organize the production of carts and carts, and paint them in a zhovto-bvakite color! Such a "patriotic" action should cause euphoria among the population after the victory over the "damned iron", and push the population to purchase "patriotic" carts-in interest-free creedit, and preferably at the expense of the state, or at least the manufacturer of carts. ..

[Mavrikiy]

"KrAZ has a lot of systemic problems": the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has stopped purchases from the car plant

And they were not 30 years old?

The Ministry of Defense stopped buying even ordinary trucks from KrAZ because of the huge debts that the company has overgrown.

Apples and uncle in Kiev.

But who will invest in these developments, and whether or not at all, is unknown.

"Enthusiasm" of crazy hands will save UkrVPK.

[Avior]

For a long time, the plant worked with a profit, mainly worked abroad.
In the early 2010s, the owner changed the management of the enterprise and gradually problems began

[Anika]

KraZ three meters of life))) the length of the hood, the saying of the Krazists

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Anika

KraZ three meters of life))) the length of the hood, the saying of the Krazists

In the Urals, 1,5, and in Kamaz - tryndets. Anyway it was so now

[ZEMCH]

Against the background of the deplorable situation with the vehicle fleet and production, the military department, recognizing the severity of the problems, shares its plans for the rearmament of the army. The need to develop several families of cars is pointed out, especially with hybrid engines, which reduce the thermal signature. In the future, the main promising direction for the development of the vehicle fleet should be the development of robotic technology, which will reduce human losses. But who will invest in these developments, and whether there will be at all, is unknown.

Those who look after Ukraine do not need a developing economy and promising industries. Nobody will invest, everything that can still be taken away is taken away, and then ...
It is sad when Ukraine was one of the most economically developed republics.
Everything has skipped - shipbuilding, mechanical engineering, aircraft construction, instrument making, everything in general !!!

[Dimon Dimonov_2]

To the morgue ... then to the morgue ...

[monster]

dig caches, Bandera. and cut down flies.

[cat Rusich]

Sorry for the "Soviet" KrAZ ... Ukrainian KrAZ is not a pity - market, competition (rivalry). KrAZ workers can send an open letter with a complaint about the current state of L. Kravchuk (while he is alive). The inhabitants of Kremenchug had to "think with their heads" in 1991 (when the USSR was being destroyed) and in 2014 they could return to their "home harbor" ", but chose to sail to the" European harbor ", but remained in the Ukrainian" puddle "...

[Niel-le-Calais]

Problems as before. Small order. Strong competitors.
I read that a year ago article that today.
MAZ has a very strong position in the Ukrainian market (about 800 were sold in 2019). Because there is a Chinese engine. At KRAZ-YAMZ. And he is under sanctions. And we constantly have to produce a la MAZ / MAN

Ukrnafta tanks, several tanks with a cabover cabin were also built (these cabins, which are supplied by Qixing from China, resemble the old MANs)
But the main...
KRAZ "kills" the absence of a hot phase of the war. When the decline in equipment was at its maximum in 2014, KRAZ received the largest order.
Wait no losses. And MAZ, taking advantage of competitive and not very competitive (Poroshenko Plant of components) advantages, wins the race.
The reason for the failure of KRaza is in the absence of engine replacement with the preservation of parameters / lack of lobbying. The owner himself does little to correct the situation. And besides him there is no one, for it is private.

[Ivan Hangoverov]

Here are the morons. As the Russians are only much stupider. Putin would not have allowed the purchase of vehicles abroad - he would rather expropriate the plant and send doctors there. Even foreigners. Look how Putin saved Avtovaz - it's just a real feat.

[petrol cutter]

KrAZ is more likely dead than alive.
Thanks to Ukraine. Glory to UA! All gone! What did they apply their crooked hands to. Marie ...