In Russia began the development of a new missile system with a light-class hypersonic missile

The Russian army will receive a missile system with a light-class hypersonic missile. As reported "News" with reference to sources in the defense industry, the development of a new complex has already started.

The new missile system will be capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 km. The development is being carried out as part of the implementation of the concept of high-precision tactical missile systems based on the technical solutions of the Hermes missile complex project. It is reported that within the framework of the project with the working title "Klevok-D2" a rocket with a new ramjet engine (ramjet) is being created.

According to the terms of reference, the new ammunition can be used from a variety of platforms, both ground and air. The launch weight together with the transport and launch container will be 150 kg, the warhead weight - 57 kg. The caliber will remain the same as that of the Hermes - 207 mm. The new rocket will be equipped with wings that fold out after launch. It is indicated that the rocket should be optimized to travel up to five speeds of sound.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense approved the introduction of high-precision tactical missile systems in ground brigades and divisions. The new complexes are planned to be mounted on various platforms, including the Typhoon and Tiger armored cars. According to the plans of the military department, such missile systems will occupy an intermediate place between artillery and heavy Iskander-M missile systems.

Comments

[Dodikson]

57kg warhead at 150kg TPK, and a range of 100km? it is even fantastic at subsonics.
and at 5M it's generally a fairy tale.
good luck to our designers, and if the GOS is also multispectral, then in general it turns out a wunderwolf.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Dodikson

57kg warhead at 150kg TPK, and a range of 100km? it is even fantastic at subsonics.
but at 5M it's generally a fairy tale ..

Most likely this is the mass of the second stage.

[Insurgent]

The new missile system will be capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 km. The development is being carried out as part of the implementation of the concept of high-precision tactical missile systems based on the technical solutions of the Hermes missile complex project. It is reported that within the framework of the project with the working title "Klevok-D2" a rocket with a new ramjet engine (ramjet) is being created.

According to the terms of reference, the new ammunition can be used from a variety of platforms, both ground and air. The launch weight together with the transport and launch container will be 150 kg, the warhead weight - 57 kg. The caliber will remain the same as that of the Hermes - 207 mm. The new rocket will be equipped with wings that fold out after launch. It is indicated that the rocket should be optimized to travel up to five speeds of sound.

5 "Machs" and a range of 100 km is not bad, but when finally something as "big-eyed" appears in the RF Armed Forces, as for example Spike nlos , in order to hit not "in the squares", but as Yashka the artilleryman said - "Bam-bam! And to the point!"?

[Antidote]

This is an awkward question, let's go next.

[Boris Chernikov]

since when did Hermes start hitting "squares"? and yes ... we are now being developed like kamikaze drones

[alexmach]

Most likely this is the mass of the second stage.

What other stage with a ramjet engine? although what kind of ramjet in Hermes is not entirely clear.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: alexmach

what kind of ramjet in Hermes is not entirely clear

This is the theme of the research work "Peck"
Screw the new engine to the old Hermes.

[alexmach]

Are plagued by vague doubts, "is it necessary"? Was there a problem with the old engine? And is it really "swings" that he really lacks?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: alexmach

Are plagued by vague doubts, "is it necessary"?

There is only range from the ground Hermes. )
Hermes' average speed is Mach 1,5, maximum 3, warhead weight 28 kg.
So all the parameters are improving, so I think it's necessary.

[Boris Chernikov]

rather, we are talking about tests with a new warhead and at a given range, and then they will do anti-aircraft weapons on the Pantsir based on tests ..

[vVvAD]

In Hermes, just not planned.

based on technical solutions of the Hermes missile complex project

does not mean at all that they will redo it directly from it.
In general, the idea is good - to make a hypersonic classmate of Hermes, which was developed in t.ch. for arming helicopters. If I'm not mistaken, was it about 100 km of range?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Dodikson

if also the GOS is multispectral

What is the GOS?
Is there anything written about her?
Like the same MLRS, only the missile is faster.
And I also did not understand, but what did the Tornado / Tornado launcher not please? Is the topic going through another department?

[Dodikson]

What kind of fright is this MLRS?
did you define it by PU? Well, then Hermes is also MLRS, PU is the same.
Peck is an improvement to Hermes, where the starting speed is 4M due to the powerful start stage and the flight by inertia, then, as I understood, after the separation of the less powerful start stage, the PRVD turns on.

[Sergey39]

Quote: Jacket in stock

What is the GOS?
Is there anything written about her?

The development is carried out as part of the implementation of the concept of high-precision tactical missile systems. So there is a GOS.

[Vadim237]

The rocket will most likely be satellite-guided and IR-guided.

[alexmach]

What is the GOS?

Well, in the case of Hermes, I think it was a semi-active laser in the first place.
At such a distance, there is no way without the GOS.

And I also did not understand, but what did the Tornado / Tornado launcher not please? Is the topic going through another department?

This is a good question. They say that on the basis of Hermes it is possible to make a two-stage rocket smaller and lighter than a single-stage rocket similar in characteristics ... Although unification with the existing missile defense systems would not be superfluous .. Besides, as far as I understand, they also made guided munitions ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: alexmach

They say that on the basis of Hermes it is possible to make a two-stage rocket smaller and lighter than a single-stage rocket with the same characteristics ...

The current ground-based Hermes is a two-stage rocket at the base.

[alexmach]

In my opinion, the most problematic in this whole story is the provision of guidance-target designation. And how to deliver and what warhead is already the tenth thing.

[Sanichsan]

good afternoon

Quote: alexmach

Well, in the case of Hermes, I think it was a semi-active laser in the first place.

in the descriptions of Hermes it is written that the laser and the radar. at least two-channel. here it is possible they will add something else, but most likely not optics. the operator does not move to 5 MAX to direct something

[Boris Chernikov]

different design bureaus, not? not to mention the fact that you need a cheap carrier, and not an expensive one like that of the Tornado, not to mention different approaches to missiles .. There are more questions why MRAPs should indicate as carriers when an ordinary Kamaz is needed ..

[Jacket in stock]

Googled, the topic of research work is "Peck" to determine the possibility of attaching a new hypersonic engine to old rockets. In particular to Hermes.
There is nothing about new multi-range GOS. Apparently this is a completely separate topic.

[Dodikson]

and if the article on new engines for the Su-57 only talks about new engines, does this mean that the Su-57 has no radar?

[alexmach]

And what does the SU-57 have to do with it? And the main feature of KBP missiles was precisely the cheap targeting. precisely due to the lack of a seeker, they achieved those characteristics in terms of range and speed and with such a small missile.

[Dodikson]

Are you really unable to understand the simplest analogies?
I will explain that even you would understand - if your wife prepares chicken borsch, but she came to you with the news that Klavka gave birth, this does not mean that today she made borsch from ostrich meat.
therefore, if in the news about new engines that specifically improve the old rocket, this does not mean that now there will be no GOS just because the GOS is not mentioned in the article.
and Hermes had it, and at what multispectral.

[bk316]

Like the same MLRS, only the missile is faster.

What MLRS? The modernization of Hermes is written. Hermes is an ATGM ...
And of course he is with the GOS.

[Boris Chernikov]

What is MLRS?

[nickgv]

As soon as it appears, you must immediately do the same. So that there is no temptation to provoke something in the opposite. It is impossible to negotiate with the West! And you can't believe them one iota.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Hypersonic speed at short range reduces the need for a homing system, since the flight time of a hypersonic missile to the target is short and the time it takes for the operator to accompany the missile between shots and hit will be comparable to the time of the target acquisition of the seeker of a homing missile (or even less).

You can use a kinetic warhead against armored targets, it is easier to overcome the KAZ.

Prospects for the development of ATGM: hypersound or homing?
https://topwar.ru/173607-perspektivy-razvitija-ptur-giperzvuk-ili-samonavedenie.html

[Boris Chernikov]

why? then it's easier to grind the cumulative fragmentation down ... in 200 mm ... any tank even in the forehead will have enough

[prodi]

looks like complete nonsense

[Cympak]

Pay attention to the source - "Izvestia".
One of the most illiterate publications in the military-industrial complex and weapons.

[svp67]

The new complexes are planned to be mounted on various platforms, including the Typhoon and Tiger armored cars.

To be honest, I do not quite understand why this missile cannot be fitted under the Smerch or Tornado-U MLRS launchers, I think it would be more correct

[ancient]

Quote: svp67

I think it would be more correct

I agree completely and .. The range would not hurt .. "more" .. at least at least 2 times

[Orange bigg]

Quote: svp67

The new complexes are planned to be mounted on various platforms, including the Typhoon and Tiger armored cars.

To be honest, I do not quite understand why this missile cannot be fitted under the Smerch or Tornado-U MLRS launchers, I think it would be more correct

Do not confuse a promising ATGM with a MLRS. Tornado-S has guided high-precision missiles with a range of more than 200 km.

[svp67]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Do not confuse a promising ATGM with an MLRS.

I am not confusing, I propose to expand the range of ammunition

[alexmach]

To be honest, I do not quite understand why this missile cannot be fitted under the Smerch or Tornado-U MLRS launchers, I think it would be more correct

Well, the Tiger or Typhoon is much more mobile than the same "Tornado". Although on the other hand unification ...

[bk316]

To be honest, I do not quite understand why this missile cannot be fitted to the Smerch MLRS launcher

Yes, technically, of course you can. Only this is not an MLRS, it is an ATGM. So many guides do not shoot on the squares. And the tiger is more maneuverable and CHEAPER.
Here is her ancestor 9p148 and not 2B5

[svp67]

Quote: bk316

... So many guides do not shoot in the squares, no need

This is where I agree that of course it makes no sense to shoot such missiles in areas, but to strike at the columns advancing from the rear to the front edge, in the areas of concentration of enemy units and units, when each missile will find and hit specifically its target, then why not and no. It is still more effective than simply covering the area with unguided ammunition.

[bk316]

It is still more effective than simply covering the area with unguided ammunition.

Sergey is absolutely wrong.
It is effective to shoot at the columns with this 9M55R5. Actually for this and was done.
And Hermes is for the defeat of the air defense system or poorly strengthened command post. Shot and tear. Here the tiger is what you need.

[ZEMCH]

Quote: svp67

To be honest, I do not quite understand why this missile cannot be fitted under the Smerch or Tornado-U MLRS launchers, I think it would be more correct

This is an anti-tank complex, ground, ship and aircraft based, depending on the modification, it can be two-stage and one-stage, well, the guidance is different

[Boris Chernikov]

you will not believe..

[Izotovp]

It was for them that it was necessary to roll up the BMP / BMD-1. Instead of Basurmanin, put mortars, ATGMs, radars for various purposes, ZARK, evacuation, technical, mine clearance, KShM ... in short, combat vehicles of the second line. And ours, as a result of modernization, bring a obviously outdated car to the first line.

[Operator]

Five speeds of sound is supersonic, not hypersonic (humanists with the "hyper" prefix have baaaaal problems)

In addition, the wing is not needed for hypersonic sound - the aircraft body itself is the carrier.

[Dodikson]

5 is already hyper.

[Operator]

Six M, however.

[Vadim237]

With Mach 5, hypersonic speed begins.

[Operator]

One hell - the rocket being developed has a declared speed of up to 5 M.

It is unprofitable to fly on transonic (from 5 to 6 M) - stalling the flow in the subsonic or in the supersonic combustion chamber of the ramjet engine will be guaranteed. Therefore, it makes sense to maintain either a stable supersonic sound at a speed of less than 5 M or a stable hypersound at a speed of more than 6 M.

To abandon the wings (extra weight and dimensions), it is required to achieve a speed of at least 8 M (for example, "Zircon").

[Genry]

Quote: Operator

It is unprofitable to fly on transonic (from 5 to 6 M) - stalling the flow in the subsonic or in the supersonic combustion chamber of the ramjet engine will be guaranteed.

Check your concept of transound and then you will understand where and why the streams are stalling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transonic

[Operator]

The term "transound" is used in a general sense.

[Genry]

Quote: Operator

The term "transound" is used in a general sense.

Do not invent and do not go to the slippery slope of lies - there it drifts even more!

[Operator]

What, Katz and Dodik, are you badly burnt?

[Genry]

Don't flirt. I'm not one of yours ...

[Dodikson]

Yes, what is there, write more, from speeds of 8M at Zircon, the flow breakdown generally goes to minus.

[Dodikson]

nope. from five.

[Thrifty]

As the hero of one film said - "I want to tear and throw!" Our MO, yesterday foaming at the mouth calling for secrecy tomorrow in the public domain will lay out drawings and photos of a new rocket? No words, just mate! !!!

[Cympak]

Take it easy! The news is that the "enemy" can only neigh

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Thrifty

As the hero of one film said - "I want to tear and throw!" Our MO, yesterday foaming at the mouth calling for secrecy tomorrow in the public domain will lay out drawings and photos of a new rocket? No words, just mate! !!!

Already posted in the public domain.

Photos of two of the latest Russian short-range hypersonic missiles have appeared on the web.

Images and some characteristics of the two latest hypersonic missiles have appeared on the government procurement website. One of them, apparently, is designed to destroy ground targets, while the second is designed to destroy air targets, while, taking into account the presented characteristics, the maximum flight range of the latest hypersonic missiles is up to 70 kilometers

https://avia.pro/news/poyavilis-fotografii-dvuh-noveyshih-rossiyskih-giperzvukovyh-raket-maloy-dalnosti-klevok

[Nikolaevich I]

Gospidya! my eyes started to twitch from the data reported by the VO data! Either "Monolith", which should be fired from 122-mm B-13L blocks, is announced 130-mm ..., then the Hermes upper stage (first stage) is assigned 207 mm! Initially, 170 mm and 210 mm booster blocks were designed for Hermes .... The fact that a "light" hypersonic rocket will be created for Hermes was expected! The design of the rocket has this! And without this, the Hermes missiles have a very high speed, which some experts call "near-hypersonic"! The fact that, in addition to RBs with solid propellants, RBs with ramjet and liquid propellant engines could be created was also expected! The range of 100 km is somewhat "confusing" (!) ... I think that you can get more!

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The fact that a "light" hypersonic missile will be created for Hermes was expected!

On the contrary, a heavier degree was attached to the marching stage.

[Vadim237]

This rocket in the figure lacks stabilizing rudders.

[Nikolaevich I]

Does this really change the essence of my comment? Or I argued that the RB (upper stage) is smaller in diameter than the ammunition itself? What for "Hermes", what for "Shell RB (first stages) of a larger diameter than warheads!"

[Nikolay2]

We are waiting for hypersonic missiles with a range of 10 km, 1 km, 100 meters and 10 meters.
Then hypersonic projectiles, hypersonic bullets - not a plowed virgin land in front of our designers and scientists, they just raised the retirement age - that's what they will do!
Russian bloggers have become like Vikings - they dream of dying in battle with a hypersonic missile in their hands.

[lvov_aleksey]

cool, let them be afraid !!!!!

[Petro_tut]

The new complexes are planned to be mounted on various platforms, including the Typhoon and Tiger armored cars

It will be interesting to see, and will the Kamaz carry the ammo rack after them?

[Bersaglieri]

Well, "Hermes" was ship-sonic, but the maximum speed is 5M :)