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Azerbaijani troops attacked the headquarters in the village of Krasny Bazar: the prospect of reaching Stepanakert emerged

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The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan publishes data on ongoing battles in the zone of the armed conflict in Karabakh.


The footage presented by the military department demonstrates the use of Grads and other multiple launch rocket systems. The MLRS battery is actually located in an open area and strikes at the positions of the Armenian troops.

An Azerbaijani artillery regiment officer comments on the strikes:


At least in this case, it can be judged that no retaliatory strikes from the opposite side at the location of the MLRS of the Azerbaijani army are delivered.

They also show footage of striking the Armenian troops in the conflict zone. The Azerbaijani military department reports that the blow was struck, among other things, at the headquarters in the village of Girmizi-Bazar (Karmir Shuka, Red Bazaar). This settlement is located about fifty kilometers from the capital of the NKR - Stepanakert.



And again, the drone footage gives reason to say that the Armenian side continues to neglect basic camouflage. Over the trenches and trenches, there is not even the simplest means of camouflage, including camouflage nets. In some cases, the positions are not just in open areas, but also near clear landmarks that allow for the most effective fire.


The strike on the territory with the complex of buildings of the military command is delivered as if it were a computer game. Surprising is the carelessness of the NKR (unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) servicemen, who are actually at the front line.


The impression is that the Armenian command, in a strange way, continues to believe that the enemy does not conduct any air reconnaissance, and therefore "the risk is minimal."

The strikes on targets in the Red Bazaar indicate that the Azerbaijani army intends to take control of not only seven regions adjacent to the NKR, but also the unrecognized republic itself. On the fragment of the map presented above, one can see that when the Red Bazaar was captured by the Azerbaijani army, the prospect of direct access to the two largest cities of the NKR - Shusha (Shushi) and Stepanakert from the south is indicated in front of it. Whether the NKR army has defense lines in this direction and how effective they can be with such an approach to conducting a defensive operation is still a question.
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Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan
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  1. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 2 November 2020 19: 14
    26
    It seems that the Armenian command, in a strange way, continues to believe that the enemy does not conduct any aerial reconnaissance, and therefore "the risk is minimal"

    Or maybe the command is silent about the situation? Then the troops are not quite in the know ...
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 2 November 2020 19: 20
      31
      So I'm wondering, do Armenians have any Commanders? Where are the officers, did Pashinyan "skip" all the regular military men?
      The impression is that they do not understand elementary things, it does not even look like militiamen ... so "a holiday in kindergarten."
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 2 November 2020 19: 40
        +3
        Alexey hi,
        judging by the "arrivals", they are no longer very "talkative". For the "phony" of the Army, a stern price is always paid. There would be our lovers to "warm their hands" in one direction "to send".
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 2 November 2020 19: 43
          11
          Lyosha, let's not get into politics hi on the army, a clear example of when the "rams" commanders simply kill fighters.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 2 November 2020 19: 46
            +6
            Duc and we have "brilliant" career growth now only "by acquaintance" or for a bribe.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 2 November 2020 19: 51
              +7
              Here, Lyosha, you are completely wrong, we both in the Army and the Navy have a huge number of talented Officers who do not put their Soldiers to the slaughter.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 2 November 2020 19: 58
                17
                Controversial. It was not only me who had a radically different opinion about many of the current "appointees" and "award-winners" during my service. Do you think they have grown wiser or by a wave of a "magic wand" have become decent? It doesn't work that way.
              2. Voentorg
                Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 09
                -38 qualifying.
                In the Russian Federation, Defense Minister Shoigu. He can't even speak Russian.
                How do you want to fight if no one understands his orders?
            2. nnm
              nnm 2 November 2020 19: 55
              +2
              Such commanders do not fall into subunits, at least immediately into formations
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 2 November 2020 20: 03
                12
                hi Very accurately noticed! good
                The easiest way to get rid of "ballast" is to send it up.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 2 November 2020 20: 05
                  11
                  You can immediately see a colleague who has passed the army ladder)))
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 2 November 2020 20: 26
                    12
                    With the "ladder", alas, it did not quite work out. Because he served the Motherland, and did not try to "negotiate" with "elevator operators". Faithful to yourself.soldier
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 2 November 2020 20: 30
                      20
                      "My friends are bosses, but I was not lucky:
                      I've been wandering with a gun for a year.
                      Such a harsh, masculine craft
                      Aty-bats, Aty-bats. ".... if I say that I understand, you will not believe it ... because I have reached the zamkomdiv, but if you believe that I was always promised much more stars, you will look and understand each other. operational division in Chechnya, then did not bow as a lieutenant, did not run away from "business trips", did not serve in the Arbat district, never accepted a "gift", did not reach an apartment from the state ...
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 2 November 2020 20: 40
                        12
                        Zamkomdiva is now the actual "limit" for a mere mortal. Actually, I did not tempt fate after "Chechnya 2" - I finished off the contract and "waved my hand" to the amusing army. Considering the fact that almost all of my comrades in the army were kicked out in one way or another later, I think my choice is correct. Of course we will understand each other, for we have nothing to share.
                      2. nnm
                        nnm 2 November 2020 20: 44
                        12
                        You are in luck, colleague))) And my contract "finished off" Serdyukov)))
                        Yes, I also do not complain about the future fate, I even had an offense. But ... it's a shame for the State so far ...
                        Not because I lost my shoulder straps with big stars, I didn’t let myself go in civilian life, but because I didn’t pass on my knowledge and skills to my students ... that I don’t want to work for a conditional (or not Gazprom), but I want to work for my homeland ... even a lieutenant, even a general. It doesn't matter at all.
                      3. Alexander Kopychev
                        Alexander Kopychev 2 November 2020 21: 21
                        22
                        Respect to you guys !!! (and nnm and lexus) !!! I sit, read - the impression is that we are drinking vodka together, in a good way ... Good luck, guys! hi hi drinks
                      4. begemot20091
                        begemot20091 2 November 2020 22: 28
                        10
                        can I be in your glorious company? also took off his shoulder straps, but managed to get an apartment from the army, albeit in "another country". turned out my initial contribution to the Russian mortgage. but I didn’t disappear: I’ve learned my children, my grandchildren are growing up, and I am not in poverty myself (although I don’t eat into three throats). Although I don't drink, I'll raise a drink with you. soldier drinks
                      5. Alexander Kopychev
                        Alexander Kopychev 2 November 2020 22: 40
                        +7
                        Welcome! The people and the Army are one! By the way, I am from the people, I took off my sergeant's shoulder straps 38 years ago ... We weren't needed, we didn't expect a dashing then ... And it, this brown stain on my forehead, did not pass me by. As a teacher of muses. school, by education, he retired as a metallurgist, in the first ranks he tamed metal, so that he is also not a bastard. THE PEOPLE AND THE ARMY ARE ONE !!! soldier
                      6. begemot20091
                        begemot20091 3 November 2020 00: 54
                        +7
                        After service, one of the positions: director of a foundry and mechanical plant. sorry the country collapsed. But that was more than 20 years ago, and it wasn’t 50 yet. Tynyanov's language = quite old man (Tynyanov: "Nikolai Mikhailovich Karamzin was older than all those present. He was 34 years old, the age of extinction") request
                2. Magadan
                  Magadan 3 November 2020 05: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: nnm
                  Yes, I also do not complain about the future fate, I even had an offense. But ... it's a shame for the State so far ...

                  that's what scares. And people like you, alas, the majority.

                  Quote: lexus
                  Actually, I did not tempt fate after "Chechnya 2" - I finished off the contract and "waved my hand" to the amusing army.


                  the same stories from my friends and relatives.

                  So much for "but-Putin-raised-the-Army" and this babe "just-there-was-no-war"

                  It's just that all of Russia must first stop building illusions about Putin and his team.
                  And no, I'm not a liberal, if anything. And our elite-currency elite is working for the State Department.
                3. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 3 November 2020 07: 31
                  +1
                  Shoigu and Putin turned the army into ostentatious, amusing troops. Everything is aimed at the games of Armie, and the rest - we quickly make a photo report and work. And so everywhere! Only in the Airborne Forces there is still bonvaya training in real life. And in the Ground Forces - the main thing is to make a photo report, write a bravura report and prepare a team for the competition.
                4. ccsr
                  ccsr 3 November 2020 12: 00
                  +6
                  Quote: Old Tankman
                  Shoigu and Putin turned the army into ostentatious, amusing troops.

                  I did not see that our Strategic Missile Forces were amusing - they, as far as I understand, have not seriously suffered so far, although the turbulence of our commanders-in-chief certainly affected them. So you shouldn't look at the security of our country through the ability to shoot from a machine gun and conduct exercises to advertise our weapons - we provide our security with a completely different potential, and it is still at a high level. The main thing is to be able to see the forest behind the trees, then everything will fall into place to understand what is most important for us in the security of the country.
                  Quote: Old Tankman
                  Only in the Airborne Forces there is still bonvaya training in real life.

                  Were they not interested in whom we could use our airborne forces - at least hypothetically? In Syria, they seem to have managed without them - does this bother you?
  2. begemot20091
    begemot20091 2 November 2020 21: 59
    +5
    this is definitely noticed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 01: 46
    +4
    Character is hardened in the smelter. Especially when they cut full arc furnaces or multi-ton ladles with molten metal are sweeping over you.

    But to the discussion. They do not like thinking officers in the Army, but they like executive ones. Well, such people will never take the initiative, they are waiting for an order or order. Everything would be fine, but higher-ranking bosses are also executives. The Armenian army is built on the same principles, to act according to the charter as taught, it is difficult to break habits. And someone managed to rebuild the army. But not Armenian and not ours. And thinking officers are probably present at this forum, there is simply nothing for the executive to do.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 3 November 2020 03: 32
      +1
      I will add, who worked on the melting, he does not shy away from shots)
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 3 November 2020 12: 08
      +5
      Quote: Konnick
      But to the discussion. They do not like thinking officers in the Army, but they like executive ones. Well, such people will never take the initiative, they are waiting for an order or order.

      You saw the army at the level of a company-battalion-regiment, and even then it’s not a fact that you participated in the management of collectives and decision-making by officers. So there is no need to talk about what you don’t know, but rather think about why the management of our orbital grouping is still hanging on the officers, and "creative civilians" are not allowed to come near this and a cannon shot. Yes, and I have not heard any initiatives from the same Roskosmos to take over at least the civilian sector of satellite programs - can you explain how this "lack of initiative officers" are pulling what "initiative civilian specialists" do not want to take on their shoulders. In general, the army is a much more complex organism than the majority of those who write on the forums imagine - I am 100% sure of this after I have studied all that nonsense that some "military experts" carry from the couch.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 3 November 2020 07: 23
    0
    In recent years, due to the shortage of officer kazhrs, thanks to Serdyukov, career growth is just on the way. Without any connections and bribes. But here is the other side of the coin ... not all the promoted candidates are ripe for their high positions.
  • sailor roman
    sailor roman 4 November 2020 10: 39
    0
    Perhaps I agree, examples of such appointments are not particularly hidden.
  • Homeland
    Homeland 2 November 2020 19: 57
    -4
    Almost all the top Armenian officers, including the "Minister of Defense of Karabakh", have been killed by the Azerbaijani army or fled.
    1. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 20: 06
      11
      Can you name, title, position and date of "destruction" ... I don't even ask about data sources?
    2. Artura
      Artura 2 November 2020 20: 41
      +9
      Yesterday they reported that they killed the president of Artsakh, today he gave interviews and awarded, so continue to believe the mustachioed who hangs noodles on his ears like you)))) !!
      1. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 2 November 2020 21: 44
        -4
        Throw off the link ...
    3. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 21: 08
      +6
      Quote: Homeland
      Almost all the top Armenian officers, including the "Minister of Defense of Karabakh", have been killed by the Azerbaijani army or fled.

      Hello!
      I think not all.
      Otherwise, Az. the army was in Khankyandi (Stepanakert) a week later.
  • nnm
    nnm 2 November 2020 19: 59
    +4
    Dear colleague, don't you think that this was done on purpose, and not out of thought?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 20: 25
    +7
    Quote: Hunter 2
    So I'm wondering, do Armenians have any Commanders? Where are the officers, did Pashinyan "skip" all the regular military men?
    The impression is that they do not understand elementary things, it does not even look like militiamen ... so "a holiday in kindergarten."

    The Armenians have their own tactics - volunteers, reservists and NKR soldiers are holding back Azerbaijanis in the mountains, who are a little bit stuck there. Armenia itself has a reserve - 40 thousand combat-ready. Now they will wear down the Azerbaijanis to the maximum, allow them to stretch communications and try to throw them off the mountains and foothills.
    1. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 20: 35
      +5
      I think so. But if there is one "but" - if there are bright heads in the General Staff. I would have done the same. He exhausted, stretched communications in the mountains, then cut off the foothills of the mountains and would gouge the high-altitude grouping with flanking attacks and at the same time counterattack in the direction of Fizuli.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 20: 54
        10
        This, too, must be done wisely - Armenia has an army of the early 90s, if it does not stick, it will be blown away with art and from the air, it sticks like Hezbollah to the Israeli infantry in 2006 - it can be cut out. Therefore, a filigree game is needed here.
        1. nnm
          nnm 2 November 2020 20: 58
          0
          You are repeating the Azerbaijani propaganda ... remember the Turks during the siege, the king of the city ... even if you hide the army in the houses of the inhabitants, not a single satellite will see. Not to mention the MTR, but in the mountains they are like gods ... But it is foolish to advise without knowing the real situation. I will say differently - I do not see the uprising of the people on the territory of the NKR and I do not see the common task of the Armenians to defend the republic
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 06
            +6
            I am not guided by what Azerbaijanis or Armenians say)).
            I watch videos, read the news, and from different sources and draw my own conclusions.
            I will try to answer your questions:
            1) In the houses he will not see when they go into the counteroffensive - they will skip. Therefore, it is necessary to follow the Azerbaijanis, but not at very close distances, while not falling into an organized trap))
            2) SSO - depending on who. They are also hammered, they also suffer losses, and they are not numerous.
            3) The Armenians, whom I know, have everything to the house, everything to themselves. They will sit on the burrows, with broad gestures, for Pontus, throwing three kopecks on the "common cause." Volunteers are few, the money collected is minuscule
            1. nnm
              nnm 2 November 2020 21: 09
              0
              You all told about the Armenians, but what about the reaction of the other side? And again, let's be guided not by emotions, but by cards ...
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 19
                +6
                Quote: nnm
                You all told about the Armenians, but what about the reaction of the other side? And again, let's be guided not by emotions, but by cards ...

                My friends are Armenians, not Azerbaijanis laughing About the second side, I will say the following - they were preparing, from what I read, they are acting DRG, avoiding frontal attacks. They are feeling the "front line". At the moment, in my opinion, they have extended communications. According to the colonials of cassad, they cannot do anything with the fortified areas of Lachin and Shushi, but this blogger did not serve in the army and quotes someone's opinion. Now the task of Baku is to tighten up logistics, reserves and, in my amateurish opinion, imitating a stormy attack in the south, to cut into the forehead in the center. Once again - in my amateurish opinion. The situation will be win-win - it will not work in the center, it will run in the south.
                But - there may be a situation that they will get bogged down everywhere, and the Armenians will tighten their reserves.
                1. nnm
                  nnm 2 November 2020 21: 23
                  +1
                  Excuse me, excluding your fashionable neologisms ... considering mountain roads, what options do you see for the development of offensive actions? Win - roads win or what?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 39
                    +6
                    Win - Win - you win anyway. I already wrote that Az will accumulate forces in the south, go to Lachin and Shusha, parallel to the center from the south-east and frontally. Am will be brought into the Lachin region by troops and overthrown Az into the plain. At this time, they will break through the front in the center or get stuck in all directions. If a general mobilization is announced, they may ultimately crush the Armenians with meat.
                  2. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 21: 50
                    +3
                    That is why I wrote above that I am surprised that the Armenians did not raise at least 5-7 ages of mobilization. Very strange .
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 02
                    +6
                    Reserve, probably
                    Or shy away
                  4. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 27
                    +2
                    Xs ... as I was taught by one mobist from the GOMU General Staff, according to the experience of the Great Patriotic War ... the NKVD regiment surrounds a small city and squeezes the ring towards the city center ..
                  5. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 32
                    +5
                    Yes, I saw some shots of how the Armenian OMON police force pulled some people of 22-30 years old out of cars in the channel and put them on buses, but there everything was in Armenian - I didn't understand anything. Maybe, on the contrary, they went to the front, and for this they were shoved into police buses.
                  6. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 36
                    +2
                    I don't know ... I'm not used to judging on TV, etc. You have to be at the epicenter of events. Lies are always full on both sides.
                  7. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 39
                    +5
                    God forbid you to be in the epicenter of such events)).
                  8. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 43
                    +1
                    )))) Sorry, but I am a military man, although I am in reserve, and although I do not want to see all this again, but as one grandfather told me, who went through the WWII, do not rush to catch up, but do not run away from the war, he will still catch up. Therefore, I am in no hurry to rush there, but your calls, well, do not in any way affect my words that at least I do not see the real situation. Therefore, it is not worth making predictions.
                  9. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 46
                    +5
                    I agree - you shouldn't make predictions
    2. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 22: 49
      -2
      There is no such thing in war .... stop broadcasting this absurdity. What do they win? This is not a slot machine .. An area with a hostile population? What exactly is win !? Soldier that will be slaughtered at night, or local genocide? What are you then a victory ???
    3. genisis
      genisis 2 November 2020 22: 56
      +5
      Sorry to interfere
      The operation of the Azerbaijani army is aimed at occupying the entire Nagorno-Karabakh region. The terrain configuration shows a mountainous area with only Three Gorges along which offensive action can take place, one in the north and two wider in the south. Therefore, the combat device of the Azerbaijani army was divided into two power groups, two army corps. The 1st Army Corps consists of 6 mechanized brigades and is reinforced by units of the 5th Army Corps (2 tank battalions, rifle and artillery, aviation units, mainly search and assault UAVs). The task of the 1st Army Corps is to occupy the northern half of the enclave. The 3rd Army Corps consists of 5 mechanized brigades, reinforced by units of the 5th Army Corps (mechanized battalions, artillery battalions and UAV companies), and has the task of occupying the southern enclave. The 2nd Army Corps is in reserve.
      The operational plan of the Azerbaijani army was divided into two stages. In Phase 1, the proposed goal is to break through the defense lines of the Armenian army, in several areas and in several directions. Through the corridors laid in the defense of Armenia, Azerbaijan introduces the forces and means necessary to encircle the front-line units of the enemy (mechanized regiments, motorized infantry, artillery battalions and special operations forces). Phase 1 is considered complete when the Azerbaijani army controls the only North-South communications network parallel to the front line.

    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 00
      +4
      Here, thanks - already some specifics hi
    5. icant007
      icant007 4 November 2020 12: 20
      -1
      Quote: genisis
      artillery battalions


      Does the Azerbaijani army have artillery battalions?
    6. icant007
      icant007 4 November 2020 15: 57
      -1
      And more
      Quote: genisis
      The operation of the Azerbaijani army is aimed at occupation the entire Nagorno-Karabakh region.


      Nothing beguiled?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 59
    +5
    Win - Win is an American idiom. Win win. In this case, a breakthrough to Stepanakert doesn't care where. If not here, then from the center.
  • Voentorg
    Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 07
    -5
    AZE wins ARM.
    The winner has every opportunity to arrange genocide.
    The world community does not care about the military and non-military crimes of AZE.
    The AWP leadership is draining its country for the sake of $$$.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 28
    +7
    Human rights defender-jan, what genocide? Mirnyak must be evacuated, men with weapons in their hands are not toothless kittens.
  • Voentorg
    Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 53
    -4
    By the way, without air defense, the Armenian army is still like toothless kittens ...
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 56
    +5
    But this is the army - these are people with weapons. Genocide - the systematic destruction of the peaceful population on a national basis.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 3 November 2020 11: 38
    -3
    Quote: Krasnodar
    But this is the army - these are people with weapons. Genocide - the systematic destruction of the peaceful population on a national basis.

    Forgive me just curious - if an 80-year-old grandfather has a hunting rifle hanging on the wall - is he a peaceful grandfather or a military grandfather? If a 90-year-old woman takes up a knife is she a peaceful or a military grandmother ??? Are teenagers 12 years old hiding with small arms in the bushes, are they peaceful or military children? It seems to me that the terms "peaceful" "military" are more for the pathos of journalism - they are too conventional and far from a real war !!!
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 November 2020 11: 50
    +3
    It seems to me that if an 18-50 year old man receives a uniform and a machine gun, he is a military man.
    It seems to me that 80 and 90 year old grandparents, as well as children and women, should be taken out of the fighting zone to Armenia.
    But, every human life is valuable, isn't it? Therefore, it is easier for pathos to shout "now there will be genocide" hi
  • Selevc
    Selevc 3 November 2020 12: 13
    +4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    It seems to me that 80 and 90 year old grandparents, as well as children and women, should be taken out of the fighting zone to Armenia.

    It seems to me that the war in Karabakh, starting with the military technologies of the 21st century, will end with feudal stabbing - as they say, everyone against everyone ...
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 November 2020 12: 34
    +3
    I don't know - the main thing is to take the peaceful people out of there now
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 03: 30
    +4
    Armenians with their genocide are like a chicken and an egg ...
  • Albay
    Albay 2 November 2020 23: 26
    +6
    Nnm, there are no locals left and there will be no hostile population. Losing territories will run away.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 32
    +2
    Basically it has been - until now.
  • nnm
    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 31
    0
    Sorry, but "grope" for what? And how in the mountains can defense stretch out communications in defense? I don’t know these fashionable wines, but I do know the calculation of the distribution of forces and resources in the direction of the main attack and on the flanks .. I have not seen either one or the other, therefore I will not judge the outcome.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 52
      +3
      Groping - and where are the Armenians. What if it lights up as a result of moving on some kind of DRG, the UAV detects, etc.
      Defense density, concentration of funds and l / s
      It is impossible to stretch communications in defense, to stretch the communications of the enemy from defense - you can
      Everything is focal there. The main blow can go into the void. Flank in the mountains .., well, there are B / D participants in the mountains on the forum, they will tell you
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 3 November 2020 19: 57
      0
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Everything is focal there. The main blow can go into the void.

      it's like? belay Azerbaijanis will direct the main blow to Stepanakert, and Armenians will disassemble Stepanakert and take it out? Azerbaijanis will come to where Stepanakert was, and is it empty?
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 20: 04
      +1
      Into the void - this is where there are no enemy troops))
    4. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 3 November 2020 20: 11
      0
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Into the void - this is where there are no enemy troops))

      hmmm .. beautiful idea! but something I doubt that there is "emptiness" wink and it won't take long to get into the fire bag. if there are no troops somewhere, then it's not easy! soldier
    5. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 20: 14
      +1
      That's it. An example is the attack by Iraqi tanks on the Golan in 1973. Hit with 200 vehicles on Israeli positions, counterattacking thereafter; how the Jews were stopped in Syria. They drove into the position, and having lost 50 vehicles (fire bag), retreated.
  • Albay
    Albay 2 November 2020 23: 24
    +6
    Greetings Krasnodar! in Shusha and Lachin there is no fortified region, there they are now trying to strengthen the defense at the expense of the arriving reservists. Fortified areas were in fizuli, in Hadrut, there are in Agdera, in Aghdam, in Askeran.
    The most powerful defensive lines are in Agdam and Agdera.
    Best regards
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 35
      +3
      Hello, glad to see you on the forum! hi
      Thanks for the addition, dear, I'm trying to pick up information from all sources in a row, but there is little specifics, unfortunately!
    2. Albay
      Albay 3 November 2020 02: 25
      +9
      Krasnodar, I wrote in another topic. In principle, the Armenians built a fairly competent defense system on the line of contact by the time the war began. My memory is unlikely to deceive me, there were and are echeloned defense lines in places dangerous for a tank breakthrough, and there were two of these the lines went 10 km deep. In mountainous areas they could afford to mine the plain and retreat to heights and fortify there. After 16 years in the central and southern sections, they left part of the plain and many posts were liquidated and retreated to more advantageous positions and installed cameras observations received from the United States, this was done so as not to be close to the positions of the Azerbaijani army from where the drgs were leaking and to prevent a surprise attack. Since Soviet times, there was a large fortified area of ​​the border troops of the USSR in Hadrut. it is possible to skashchit "impenetrable" fortress. There is no military sense to strengthen Khankendi (stepankert) if it is rubbed Yana by the Armenians of Shusha, then Khankendi is doomed.In general, in my opinion, in order to correctly assess the current situation of the parties, it is important to have an idea of ​​the tdv and the terrain
      Best regards, Alibek
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 08: 45
      +2
      Good morning, Alibek! hi
      Thanks for the information! As I understand it, NKR is a plateau alternating with mountain ranges. I don’t see any sense to keep the defenses in the plain, in my opinion, people were put in vain.
    4. Albay
      Albay 3 November 2020 17: 12
      +5
      Good evening Krasnodar!
      I think the question was in strategic planning. The Armenians, having seized 7 districts around the NKR, created a type of buffer zone. They destroyed all the cities, houses, created continuous minefields on the plains, dismantled the cubes of houses, created stone pillboxes and NPs on the first line. The NKR itself is not very good. a large territory and yokesmen lived there at most 50-60 thousand, that is, even in the mountains they have no chance to provide long-term resistance to the Azerbaijani army for objective reasons. Many people here speak of the NKR army as an independent unit, but this is not so. called the army of the NKR were conscripts from Armenia. For example, Pashinyan's son, a well-known fact, served in the NKR about which Pashinyan constantly spoke with pride. I think they were preparing for another war. They assumed that there would be frontal assault strikes and according to the plan of the defense line to the NKR (buffer zone ) it was necessary to hold the position for a month, inflicting heavy losses on the attackers, taking into account the defenses of the position, and then the shock units from Armenia would come up and launch a counterstrike. Orons was like this. Yes, and the calculation was that Russia will not give offense. In this case, the Azerbaijani army not only managed to break through in the South, but also liberated Gadrut, this is the head of Karabakh, opened up operational space and the Azerbaijani army managed to turn out the enemy's defense, that is, we went to the rear of the fortified region in Khojavend, went to the front to the Red Bazaar and to Shusha. Today they have already liberated Dashalty by unofficial dagnes ... if they take the Red Bazaar (I think this is a matter of a few days), then the center of defense of Armenians will collapse too.
      Best regards
    5. Albay
      Albay 3 November 2020 17: 30
      +6
      Krasnodar, in general, I believe that the General Staff of the Azerbaijani army is conducting a brilliant operation. Especially the alternation of strikes and coverage from different sides in one direction then in the other puts the enemy command in a position of constant guessing where the main blow will be. And apparently they do not act mainly , but promptly by tactical companies, because it's funny when they can't knock out two villages for 3 days, and then the same guys take two more villages.
      Best regards, Alibek
    6. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 19: 03
      +1
      So the task of the DRG (operational companies) is to probe the Armenian defense and provoke the enemy to move, as such, covering the transport thanks to air supremacy. In general, well done - with small means they ripped open the fortified area in difficult terrain.
    7. Albay
      Albay 3 November 2020 22: 06
      +3
      I agree about the tasks of others. It's just possible to do it on the territory of the NKR, since they did not create areas there like on the front line. Therefore, go wherever you want, pick as you want.
    8. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2020 22: 35
      +2
      I, frankly, did not understand at all, they really needed Fortifications on the plain. I imagined everything completely differently. Anti-tank ditches, concretes, video surveillance with minefields below, all targeted, and bunkers with tunnels and shelters for equipment along with shooting areas in the mountains. And pillboxes in the rocks. Why they had to settle in the "security zone" is not clear.
    9. Albay
      Albay 4 November 2020 01: 03
      +5
      Krasnadar, it seems you misunderstood my comments
      Anti-tank ditches were only in the Aghdam direction, as far as I remember, and in the Fizuli direction, they had everything else that you described. They did not live in the "security zone."
    10. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 01: 32
      +3
      Once again, do the Armenians have a fortified area in the Lachin region? Around Shushi? Did they have something like that south of Lachin? South of Shushi? Why didn't they immediately make a fortified area in the mountains of the South? Why did they "settle down" the border with Iran?
      Sincerely hi
    11. Albay
      Albay 4 November 2020 02: 04
      +4
      1.Around Lachin there is no fortified district, it is possible to create now. The reason is the area in the deep rear and, judging by the military plans, they did not think at all that the war would reach Lachin
      2. Around Shushi, too, did not create something uncommon. The reason is the geographical position of the city, one serpentine road leads to the city, on three sides of the cliff, the height of the city is more than 2000 meters. It is considered in itself an "impregnable fortress"
      3. Strengthened the area was in Hadrut to stop the offensive from the south to Shusha and Khankendi, its capture and opened the road, I did not expect such a quick surrender of Hadrut, if Shusha is the heart of Nagorno-Karabakh, then Hadrut is the head and door to the Kaaba.
      4. The main fortified areas in Daghlig Karpbakh were created in Agdera (Mardakert), Khojavend (Martuni), Agaoglan (Hadrut) and Krasny Bazar. The main arsenals and warehouses of weapons were in Agdam since Soviet times, in Hadrut, near Khankendia in Agder. There are many underground tunnels and concrete positions in the fortified areas.
      5. As for the border with Iran, I think the issue of smuggling (drugs, fuel), plus Iran could receive what is prohibited for them by sanctions, and the border is unaccounted for and revenues are not taken into account.
      6. If you look at the detailed map of Nagorno-Karabakh, you will see that the fortified areas were created in the correct places according to military science.
      Best regards
    12. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 02: 13
      +1
      That is, what is happening now at Magdakert, Red Bazaar and Martuni is an assault on fortified areas? This is very hard, meticulous work
    13. Albay
      Albay 4 November 2020 02: 37
      +4
      Yes, of course it is difficult, but if you pay attention to the assault and offensive in Khojavend comes from the south, from where I think they least expected it, that is, from the rear, the tension created near the Red Bazaar, its coverage and near Shushi, in my opinion, does not provide an opportunity to push reserves.
      The capture of Chartarli blocked the road from Khojavend to the Red Bazaar. Khojavend has only one road to Khankendi, the Azerbaijani army needs to cross one mountain range and this road will be blocked.
      Krasny Bazar is also a fortified area, since after it there is a plain road straight to Khankendi (Stepanakert) where tanks can easily pass these 10 km.
      I also forgot about Askeran and fortified the area.
      Best regards
    14. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 02: 44
      +2
      Big game, shorter
      What do you think is happening now? Are the parties tightening reserves? Are Azerbaijanis looking for a weak spot to bring them there?
      Armenians - throw the enemy with the meat of volunteers and the NKR army in order to throw the Azerbaijanis off the NKR at a critical moment, removing the threat from Lachin and Shushi?
    15. Albay
      Albay 4 November 2020 03: 24
      +3
      From our side, there is very little information and therefore I am guided by the information of the Armenian side and independent sources. Today the Armenians said that they left their positions in the eastern direction for tactical reasons, this is the Khojavend region and that there are fierce battles in the direction of Gamyshly-Kalbajar. I could not imagine that the Azerbaijani army in the north has reached there. I think the Azerbaijani army, with its outreach and tactical groups, creates an impression of the upcoming assault in several directions at once, pinning down the enemy's reserves, but where they will hit, we can only guess. We have zero information about the battles in the official mountain carab itself. Armenians are forever in defense, they will not withstand beating from the air, they must counterattack. Objectively, they will not be able to assemble a fist for a serious counterattack inside Karabakh. Most likely they are preparing a counter-attack from the territory of Armenia, probably in the direction of Gubadly or Zangelan. Reserves inside Karabakh are unrealistic to collect now.
      But this is my opinion and I could be wrong.
      Regards Alibek!
    16. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 4 November 2020 04: 25
      +1
      So I think the same
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 2 November 2020 22: 14
    +8
    how many Armenians in the Russian Federation, France, the United States - a flag in hand and .... to fight. To defend the homeland, and not to trade in tangerines in the bazaar.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 22: 19
      +6
      Quote: begemot20091
      how many Armenians in the Russian Federation, France, the United States - a flag in hand and .... to fight. To defend the homeland, and not to trade in tangerines in the bazaar.

      They are peaceful people - while Russia can send trained specialists into battle, thus preserving the gene pool of the nation of Generals and Marshalls soldier
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 52
        +1
        Did they send a lot to Donbass? If not for the volunteers ... But the people believed and waited.
      2. kulinar
        kulinar 2 November 2020 23: 05
        +8
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: begemot20091
        how many Armenians in the Russian Federation, France, the United States - a flag in hand and .... to fight. To defend the homeland, and not to trade in tangerines in the bazaar.

        They are peaceful people - while Russia can send trained specialists into battle, thus preserving the gene pool of the nation of Generals and Marshalls soldier

        Give at least one reason why Russia should send its specialists!
        Let these "peaceful people" fight to defend the interests of Soros in the person of the anti-Russian Pashinyan.
        Only they will scold the Russians again.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 17
          11
          Yes, that’s not the point. laughing Armenians want to drag Russia into the war in order to survive, this is natural for small nations living in a hostile environment. But, looking at the reaction of the Russian, and not only, diaspora, you are very surprised at their indifference in the matter of protecting the historical homeland, and I wrote with sarcasm hi
          As for Pashinyan, he reduced corruption. but it is openly anti-Russian, which ultimately played against Armenia on a vital issue.
    2. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 47
      -2
      Armenians do not sell tangerines, sir. This is, for the most part, the other side in the prerogative)
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 02
        +4
        They are good apricots and restaurateurs - Armenians. Mandarins - Abkhazia))
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 2 November 2020 23: 19
          -2
          I don’t know, didn’t come across. I'm far from this
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 23
            +3
            From the south of Russia? laughing
          2. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 2 November 2020 23: 30
            -2
            Centre.
            I understand you, there are many Armenians in the south)
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 38
            +3
            By the way, there are many good people among Armenians)).
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 21: 21
    +6
    Hello!
    Quote: nnm
    I think so. But if there is one "but" - if there are bright heads in the General Staff. I would have done the same. He exhausted, stretched communications in the mountains, then cut off the foothills of the mountains and would gouge the high-altitude grouping with flanking attacks and at the same time counterattack in the direction of Fizuli.

    Your version is the most preferred in this situation.
    But there is a "nuance".
    If Ar. had a sufficient resource and at least parity in armament.
    And at least for the period of the counteroffensive itself, they neutralized the air advantage in the direction of the main attack.
    Also, in my opinion at this stage of the database, the resources of Ar. and Karabakh cannot be compared with the capabilities of Az.
    1. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 22: 57
      -3
      I don't see any particular advantage ..... yes, yes, I saw these videos, but this does not in any way mean the destruction of the echeloned one and the loss of control, especially about relocation
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 45
    -3
    Optional Fuzuli. You can Zangilan. You can Aghdam - and straight to Baku.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 2 November 2020 20: 36
    -3
    Greetings Albert hi in fact, we have already discussed this more than a dozen times, it seems to have come to an understanding.
    I'm talking about something else, what kind of ... gather in small groups, do they play games on the New Year's tree, or in the War?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 20: 55
      +7
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Greetings Albert hi in fact, we have already discussed this more than a dozen times, it seems to have come to an understanding.
      I'm talking about something else, what kind of ... gather in small groups, do they play games on the New Year's tree, or in the War?

      Hi - have you smoked one joint per crowd at a distance of 20 meters or more? laughing
    2. kulinar
      kulinar 2 November 2020 23: 07
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Greetings Albert hi in fact, we have already discussed this more than a dozen times, it seems to have come to an understanding.
      I'm talking about something else, what kind of ... gather in small groups, do they play games on the New Year's tree, or in the War?

      Judging by the creepy footage, they understand that they are at war, but at the last moment of their lives.
  • Artura
    Artura 2 November 2020 20: 43
    -4
    Armenians in the mountains thrash them in full !!!! So the war is not over yet! And these drone footage, a lot was filmed in the early days of the war.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 20: 57
      +4
      Quote: Artura
      Armenians in the mountains thrash them in full !!!! So the war is not over yet! And these drone footage, a lot was filmed in the early days of the war.

      Possibly - but obviously not all
    2. vlad.baryatinsky
      vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 21: 31
      +6
      Barevtes!
      Quote: Artura
      Armenians in the mountains thrash them in full !!!!

      Unfortunately for you, your words are just words. Not supported by anything. To justify their conclusions, the current configuration of the front line and we can say the strategic initiative at Az.
      Quote: Artura
      And these shots from drones, a lot was filmed in the first days of the war.

      I do not agree with you.
      The same footage is broadcast in support of my words, Al-Jazeera.
      By the way, 4 of their TZhK complexes are accredited by the Ministry of Defense Az. Their operators are reporting from almost the combat formations of the Azerbaijani army.
      1. Artura
        Artura 3 November 2020 09: 52
        -6
        Al Jazeera?))))))) If I am not mistaken it is based in Qatar. And Qatar and Turkey kiss each other passionately)))). Keep believing)))))
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 3 November 2020 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Artura
          Keep believing)))))

          Young man! Earnest request!
          If you have anything to give arguments in fact, please!
          But you don’t dare to contact me in the future!
          1. Artura
            Artura 3 November 2020 18: 14
            -4
            Boy! Here are some fresh presents for you !!! And you can convey to your vaunted al jazeera)))). And on you, you have not yet grown up to that.



            1. vlad.baryatinsky
              vlad.baryatinsky 3 November 2020 19: 54
              +3
              Quote: vlad.baryatinsky

              0
              Boy! Here are some fresh presents for you!

              Apparently you do not get my request!
              It is a pity.
              But I do not intend to become like you and sink to your level of education and perception of the ethics of Human Dialogue!
              Quote: Artura
              ! And you can convey to your vaunted al jazeera

              I have nothing to offer Al Jazeera.
              She doesn't need my services.
              She perfectly draws information from the battlefield so * RETIVO * abandoned by your "ancient" and "invincible" "army"!
              Quote: Artura
              And on you, you have not yet grown up to this.

              Trust me! If you had the "honor" to meet me in person.
              Then I would "pleasantly" surprise you!
              1. Artura
                Artura 3 November 2020 21: 38
                -4
                Where necessary they retreat, and where necessary they attack. War, anything can happen. You can ask al Jazeera how many of yours were "put" in the Hell's Gorge during these 3 days ...
                1. vlad.baryatinsky
                  vlad.baryatinsky 3 November 2020 22: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Artura
                  Where necessary they retreat, and where necessary they attack.

                  Of course!
                  Is it such an "ingenious" plan to let the enemy up to 5 km from Shushi ?!
                  And this is in such a theater of operations as Karabakh. Which is possible along the longest diagonal from end to end in 1 light day! Drive around.
                  Quote: Artura
                  your "laid down"

                  Glory to Yahweh! God! To Allah! Astvatsu!
                  My EVERYTHING, with me!
                  Quote: Artura
                  You can ask al Jazeera how many of yours were "put" in the Hell's Gorge during these 3 days ...

                  But how many of yours were "laid" in a horizontal position, I can accurately answer.
                  5438 soldiers, officers and possibly civilians. Let's fire!
                  The website of the Armenian Defense Ministry was hacked 8 days ago by a Czech hacker Peter Krzistka, in Brno!
                  Source, Dutch TV. SBS-6 channel.
                  Address, throw off! ?? wink
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 2 November 2020 21: 48
      -4
      Yes, of course, who would doubt ...)
    4. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 2 November 2020 21: 50
      -3
      https://www.armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/263662/
    5. kulinar
      kulinar 2 November 2020 23: 13
      +4
      Quote: Artura
      Armenians in the mountains thrash them in full !!!! So the war is not over yet! And these drone footage, a lot was filmed in the early days of the war.

      Strong statement!
      Can be more...
      Along the way, Azerbaijanis are not as stupid as Armenian commanders.
      So far, only the remnants of the warriors are being driven into the mountains, on the eve of winter.
      If the supply lines are cut, then ah.
    6. Grits
      Grits 3 November 2020 06: 36
      +4
      Quote: Artura
      Armenians in the mountains thrash them in full !!!!

      Halva, halva !!
      So far, judging by where the clashes are already taking place, we can conclude that just the opposite.
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 2 November 2020 21: 12
    +3
    Shalom!
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The Armenians have their own tactics - volunteers, reservists and NKR soldiers are holding back Azerbaijanis in the mountains, who are a little bit stuck there

    I also stick to your version.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    In Armenia itself there is a reserve - 40 thousand combat-ready. Now they will wear down the Azerbaijanis to the maximum, will allow them to stretch communications and try to throw them off the mountains and foothills.

    But this is already a full-fledged retraction of Am. in the database.
    I guess Az. then it will be fully involved in the database and announce a general mobilization.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 31
      +3
      Well, then the meat grinder will begin there.
  • kulinar
    kulinar 2 November 2020 23: 00
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Hunter 2
    So I'm wondering, do Armenians have any Commanders? Where are the officers, did Pashinyan "skip" all the regular military men?
    The impression is that they do not understand elementary things, it does not even look like militiamen ... so "a holiday in kindergarten."

    The Armenians have their own tactics - volunteers, reservists and NKR soldiers are holding back Azerbaijanis in the mountains, who are a little bit stuck there. Armenia itself has a reserve - 40 thousand combat-ready. Now they will wear down the Azerbaijanis to the maximum, allow them to stretch communications and try to throw them off the mountains and foothills.

    So what?
    If Armenia gets involved in a war on the territory of Azerbaijan, then farewell to the CSTO. Karabakh, de Jure, Azerbaijan.
    And judging by the way they sneeze what is called the army of Karabakh ...
    It will be the same with the Pashinyan army ..
    They will grind at a distance.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 25
      +6
      So the NKR army is the army of Armenia - and vice versa laughing
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 02: 03
    +2
    It's just that the Azerbaijanis are not asking for trouble. They have different tactics. They avoid direct clashes. They squeeze out the positions of the Armenians after the complete suppression of the defense by the artillery, according to the UAV. How can you wear them out? To throw off a trained modern army with partisan actions, without having an advantage either in technology or in people and, most importantly, in obtaining information.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 3 November 2020 19: 47
    +1
    good day hi
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Now they will wear down the Azerbaijanis to the maximum, allow them to stretch communications and try to throw them off the mountains and foothills.

    but how will they throw it off? rather than? the equipment that the NKR had was greatly thinned out, and the equipment of Armenia does not enter there. tactics of "merciless human waves"? hmm ... a gloomy joke came out ...
  • g1v2
    g1v2 2 November 2020 21: 08
    13
    The main forces of the Armenian army - 50 thousand - are on the Armenian territory and have not yet entered the battle, periodically supporting them with artillery and reinforcements. While the NKR army, the Armenian group permanently stationed in NKR and volunteers are fighting from the Armenian side.
    There are two options. Either the Armenian army is waiting for the Azeri to fizzle out in order to counterattack with fresh forces, or Armenia still merges the NKR, only signifying a struggle. Considering that NKR is the base of Pashinyan's opponents, option two is quite likely.
    And in general, it is difficult to judge the state of affairs at the fronts from the video. Well this is propaganda in the first place. For example, some of the videos of the strikes of Azerbaijani UAVs are not laid out right away, but put on a shelf and displayed when there is a calm at the front or something goes wrong. The situation is much easier to understand from the cards. It is much clearer there what is happening.
    1. Master
      Master 2 November 2020 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      The main forces of the Armenian army - 50 thousand - are on the Armenian territory and have not yet entered the battle, periodically supporting them with artillery and reinforcements. While the NKR army, the Armenian group permanently stationed in NKR and volunteers are fighting from the Armenian side.
      There are two options. Either the Armenian army is waiting for the Azeri to fizzle out in order to counterattack with fresh forces, or Armenia still merges the NKR, only signifying a struggle. Considering that NKR is the base of Pashinyan's opponents, option two is quite likely.
      And in general, it is difficult to judge the state of affairs at the fronts from the video. Well this is propaganda in the first place. For example, some of the videos of the strikes of Azerbaijani UAVs are not laid out right away, but put on a shelf and displayed when there is a calm at the front or something goes wrong. The situation is much easier to understand from the cards. It is much clearer there what is happening.

      Do you live in a parallel universe or what?)) The population of the NKR is 150 thousand. The army of Azerbaijan in peacetime is about 70-80 thousand. And who are the Martians fighting the Azerbaijani army there? They are keeping 50 thousand fresh forces, but for some reason they have already announced a total mobilization. And they send anyone to the front. including women and old people.
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 55
        -2
        Old men and women are exclusively volunteers. There is no total mobilization in Armenia itself
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 3 November 2020 11: 06
        +1
        And what social networks have you unblocked? laughing In my opinion, it is clear that information is delivered to you in dosage. For example, information about losses is kept until the end of the war so that you do not lose morale. And about the forces of the Armenians in the NKR. Initially, there were about 10 and 15 thousand bayonets of the Karabakh army and the army of Armenia, that is, somewhere around 25 thousand versus 50-60 thousand Azeri. During the war, volunteers were transferred there, mobilized in the NKR and sent several units. Yes, there were about 50 thousand of them against your 70-80 thousand involved in the operation. Losses in people are serious on both sides, 10 thousand of killed and wounded can be thrown off. But the main forces of the Armenian army are still on the territory of Armenia. request It's too early to wave your caps. Although the equipment has already been knocked out decently from them, but again in Armenia itself, the units are still intact and equipped. It all depends on whether Pashinyan decides to go for broke. If Armenia decides to join the war officially, then an offensive on another section of the border can seriously change the situation. Will the little magpie go for it? Hardly. Rather, Karabakh will merge.
        1. Master
          Master 3 November 2020 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          And what social networks have you unblocked? laughing In my opinion, it is clear that information is delivered to you in dosage. For example, information about losses is kept until the end of the war so that you do not lose morale. And about the forces of the Armenians in the NKR. Initially, there were about 10 and 15 thousand bayonets of the Karabakh army and the army of Armenia, that is, somewhere around 25 thousand versus 50-60 thousand Azeri. During the war, volunteers were transferred there, mobilized in the NKR and sent several units. Yes, there were about 50 thousand of them against your 70-80 thousand involved in the operation. Losses in people are serious on both sides, 10 thousand of killed and wounded can be thrown off. But the main forces of the Armenian army are still on the territory of Armenia. request It's too early to wave your caps. Although the equipment has already been knocked out decently from them, but again in Armenia itself, the units are still intact and equipped. It all depends on whether Pashinyan decides to go for broke. If Armenia decides to join the war officially, then an offensive on another section of the border can seriously change the situation. Will the little magpie go for it? Hardly. Rather, Karabakh will merge.

          There is no Nkr army. I don't know who told you that. It is de facto a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Let's talk about technology too. Does the Nkr army also belong to 300? More than 200 of them have already been confirmed. For what money and, most importantly, who supplied these C 300s, tornadoes, wasps, how much they cost, I think you shouldn't say. All this is essentially the technique of Armenia. Well a declaration of war. This will essentially lead to the expansion of the front and the collapse of the entire defense. They already have a shortage of resources, both material and human. And the only thing that slows down the advance of the Azerbaijani army is the mountainous terrain.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 3 November 2020 12: 13
            +2
            The fact that in fact the war is going on between Armenia and you is understandable. But Armenia is waging a proxy war, and you are direct. Well, 200 tanks have not been knocked out close yet, although sooner or later this is achievable. If you didn’t know, the NKR army officially had more tanks than the Armenian army. They initially bypassed the CFE Treaty. request Well, I don’t argue that the NKR army was armed by Armenia, transferring weapons to it and replenishing it with conscripts. Many Armenian conscripts served on the territory of the NKR. request
            This is not about that, but about the fact that the main forces of the Armed Forces of Armenia have not yet entered the battle. It will be difficult for them to bring large forces into the territory of the NKR, because the southern corridor is cut, the northern one under fire from the Murovdag, and the capacity of the Lachin corridor is reduced due to damage to the bridge on it. From a military point of view, it is much smarter for them to attack on another section of the border. But then they come out of the CSTO umbrella. request
            They certainly have a shortage of resources, but they fight hard. And you clearly have dizziness from success and a hat-head. For Armenians, such sentiments have already led to a bad start of the war and will most likely lead to the loss of the NKR, but such sentiments are also dangerous for you. request
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 21: 32
      +4
      Here you also need to watch the satellite of Armenia. When Am hasn't posted a list of losses for a long time, that's also a sign. In my
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 3 November 2020 11: 08
        +4
        To lay out losses in such a war is stupidity. They only demoralize. The militia and the mobilized are switched on the "we all die" regime. Again, the Armenians did not block social networks, which means they also watch Azervideo with drone strikes and are demoralized.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2020 11: 17
          +2
          Previously laid out
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 3 November 2020 11: 26
            +3
            They used to think that this is another limited exacerbation. Plus, the Armenians had a bad nose. If you read their comments here over the past years, it was a sheer hap. "New war - new territories" and all that. request Well, when the losses exceeded a thousand, they realized that it was demoralizing. Even in such a war, losses are already difficult to track. Quite a few are missing already. There the Azeris laid out the captured Armenians who were cut off in the bunker. Surely until that video came out, they were considered either dead or missing. request
    3. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 2 November 2020 21: 54
      -1
      Well, from our side, too, 2 out of 5 corps are in business ... and there was no mobilization. By that day of the war, it costs about 50 dollars ... Armenia will not pull.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 3 November 2020 10: 19
        +3
        Quote: Otshelnik
        Well, from our side, too, 2 out of 5 corps are in business ... and there was no mobilization. By that day of the war, it costs about 50 dollars ... Armenia will not pull.

        This is 50 lam. For Armenians is cheaper
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 3 November 2020 11: 19
        +3
        You have rotations and in general, of course, the bench is wider. For example, the T90 corps units transferred from Baku are mainly kept in the operational reserve and are rarely sent into battle. request
        Well, for the money. The war of course eats money, but the Armenians still have old Soviet stocks of weapons. Plus they can borrow money both in the West and in Russia. They will be given. Of course, the national debt will grow seriously, but not catastrophically. And your expenses will be higher. Drones and high-precision ammunition in this quantity are very expensive. The same kamikaze drones are, in fact, disposable. No wonder the planes from Israel and cargoes from Turkey to Azerbaijan go one by one. Plus there is infa that Pechory also bought from Ukraine. The Armenians are still fighting much cheaper. In general, Armenians are fighting on debt, and you are eating up your money reserves made in previous years. After the war, in any case, both sides face a serious financial crisis. request
    4. Grits
      Grits 3 November 2020 06: 46
      +4
      Quote: g1v2
      The main forces of the Armenian army - 50 thousand - are on the Armenian territory and have not yet entered the battle, periodically supporting them with artillery and reinforcements. While the NKR army, the Armenian group permanently stationed in NKR and volunteers are fighting from the Armenian side.

      It seems that the Armenians were stumped. If they start shooting from their territory or actively operate with their entire main army, it will no longer be a war between Karabakh and Azerbaijan, but a War between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And since the Armenians will have to be the first to start operating with their army on the territory recognized by all as Azerbaijani, then they will not look like an injured party. Therefore, the CSTO or Russia alone will not get in here and will not help them. But it is also stupid and cynical to watch indifferently from the outside as your fellow tribesmen are being finished off in Karabakh. Fork.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 3 November 2020 11: 21
        +4
        I agree. It is on this fork that Aliyev is pushing the Armenians. Or attack on another section of the border and get out of the CSTO umbrella or drain the NKR.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 3 November 2020 12: 58
        -1
        Quote: Gritsa
        Quote: g1v2
        The main forces of the Armenian army - 50 thousand - are on the Armenian territory and have not yet entered the battle, periodically supporting them with artillery and reinforcements. While the NKR army, the Armenian group permanently stationed in NKR and volunteers are fighting from the Armenian side.

        It seems that the Armenians were stumped. If they start shooting from their territory or actively operate with their entire main army, it will no longer be a war between Karabakh and Azerbaijan, but a War between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And since the Armenians will have to be the first to start operating with their army on the territory recognized by all as Azerbaijani, then they will not look like an injured party. Therefore, the CSTO or Russia alone will not get in here and will not help them. But it is also stupid and cynical to watch indifferently from the outside as your fellow tribesmen are being finished off in Karabakh. Fork.

        Zugzwang
  • kulinar
    kulinar 2 November 2020 22: 52
    +6
    Quote: Hunter 2
    So I'm wondering, do Armenians have any Commanders? Where are the officers, did Pashinyan "skip" all the regular military men?
    The impression is that they do not understand elementary things, it does not even look like militiamen ... so "a holiday in kindergarten."

    Yeah...
    The trenches are straight, and it is difficult to call it trenches.
    Some kind of shit, the pits of the fighters.
    We, during the exercises, dug out a position for prone shooting in 15 minutes. An ordinary sapper shovel.
    In which military schools did their officers smoke textbooks?
    1. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz 3 November 2020 14: 55
      -1
      Priamo kak u RKKA v 1941g.
  • nnm
    nnm 2 November 2020 19: 27
    10
    Well I do not know. As they could not take the isthmus, they still cannot. I don't think it's worth drawing conclusions from TV reports. We see no operational maps, no calculation of forces and means, no plan. The fact that the Armenians were not ready is a fact, but to decide who is on the shield and who is with the shield - let's not rush. And further, we will proceed, at least from the facts, since there is no data from the headquarters.
    1. Smirnoff
      Smirnoff 2 November 2020 19: 30
      23
      No, no one is in a hurry. Many are simply surprised by the carelessness of the fighters of Karabakh.
      1. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 19: 34
        +5
        Well, it's hard to say without seeing the features of the theater of operations and without knowing the level of combat readiness of the militia. The fact that there are questions to both NKR and Armenia is unambiguous. But I think differently - why do we initially think that Soros Pashinyan did not orientate himself towards such a development of events? Why do we believe that what is happening is a mistake and not an intent? I understand what sounds like a call to look for the guilty, but somehow I just don't see any active actions on the part of Armenia to intensify the assistance of the diaspora - there is no recognition of the NKR, no general mobilization of a dozen ages, no adequate appeals to the CSTO after reports of shelling in Armenia ... . strange like that
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2020 19: 35
        +2
        With this approach, and even the situation, they are already dead. - what worries about them.
      3. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 19: 44
        15
        Yes, the problem is not in the fighters, but in the commanders and political power - they forbade modernizing the Russian base, they did not rebuild the command and control system under increasing threats ... the fighters here, on the contrary, are simple pawns doing everything they can, against more advanced methods of waging war. But I am interested in something else - many Armenian acquaintances, well-arranged in Russia, tell me how poorly we support them, but none of them rushed to defend the NKR, sent a couple of thousand dollars home and that's it, my conscience is calm ..
    2. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 19: 39
      -3
      Quote: nnm
      And further, we will proceed, at least from the facts, since there is no data from the headquarters.

      Dear, the Azerbaijani army has annihilated high-ranking military personnel from the puppet Karabakh regime in recent days, from the Minister of Defense to their deputies. Further, given the proven losses of the Armenians, which you can see on the neutral Lostarmor website, the Armenians are not only in a deplorable situation, but in a disastrous state. That it is not a day that soldiers and equipment are destroyed. By the way, today they released another list of the dead. By the way, the list comes with a delay of at least a week, so their losses can be safely multiplied by 3 at least.
      1. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 19: 46
        +9
        Ok, I'm aware of the rule of three .... and your losses should not be multiplied by three, and divided by the same number, your declared victories?
        Why don't you end the siege? There are no forces and means in the last reserve, which would be enough for a breakthrough and for defense at the base of the main strike wedge? Why didn't we develop an offensive ???? Or do you have any special BUSV? I think not ...
        Therefore, do not rush to broadcast about the victory .... we will see.
        1. MTN
          MTN 2 November 2020 19: 57
          -8
          Quote: nnm
          and then your losses should not be multiplied by three

          If it becomes easier for you, multiply by 10.

          Quote: nnm
          Why don't you end the siege? There are no forces and means in the last reserve

          So how many victories you do not show will still sing the same thing. Every day, manpower and equipment are destroyed, and here they write that there is no strength and reserve) 50 mln money reserve. 100 thousand army against 40. Considering the video, who needs the reserve more can be seen even and-di-o-tu!

          Quote: nnm
          Therefore, do not rush to broadcast about the victory .... we will see.

          Do you want to look, do not want to look. Your business.
          1. nnm
            nnm 2 November 2020 20: 04
            +8
            ... so their losses can be safely multiplied by at least 3.

            Excuse me, but you propose to apply this coefficient only to "blue", why? You never lie, do you?
            So how many victories you do not show will still sing the same thing. Every day, manpower and equipment are destroyed, and here they write that there is no strength and reserve) 50 mln money reserve. 100 thousand army against 40. Considering the video, who needs the reserve more can be seen even and-di-o-tu!

            And how, what is the result? Closed the blockade, took Stepanakert? Please calm down your pathos, otherwise the screen is shorting ...
            Do you want to look, do not want to look. Your business.

            Thank you for your valuable advice and promise to use it ...
          2. Grits
            Grits 3 November 2020 06: 54
            0
            Quote: MTN
            So how many victories you do not show will still sing the same thing. Every day, manpower and equipment are destroyed, and here they write that there is no strength and reserve) 50 mln money reserve. 100 thousand army against 40. Considering the video, who needs the reserve more can be seen even and-di-o-tu!

            Actually, you are arguing with a professional military man who knows how to competently conduct hostilities and, as I understand it, who has been in the war. Therefore, the figures you quoted are not an argument for him to judge the final success without other important factors.
      2. Artura
        Artura 2 November 2020 20: 48
        -2
        Where did you come from))) ??? In all your news yesterday they shouted that they killed the president of Artsakh, and today he awarded the fighters who yesterday your special forces sent to their guri. As I understand it, you are still sitting on boxes with tomatoes and hanging noodles on people's ears)))
        1. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 2 November 2020 21: 58
          0
          Why are you here ... your women are already being driven to the front, and you are sitting here ...
        2. MTN
          MTN 2 November 2020 22: 20
          -3
          Quote: Artura
          Where did you come from))) ??? In all your news yesterday they screamed that they killed the president of Artsakh

          Ara, I didn't drink cognac with you so that you could talk to me about it. Secondly, did you personally hear something like that from me? I spoke about the former Defense Minister of Dashshah or Partsakh as you say there. I will also write now and you remember, the Azerbaijani army destroyed Jalal Harutyunyan. And then this Shakaryan ...

          Quote: Artura
          your special forces were sent to their guri.

          God forbid if there are such. We send your main thing to hell. Remember the commandment DO NOT STEAL.

          And before talking about our special forces, have you seen your new videos? And also the new list of Astvats?

          Quote: Artura
          As I understand it, you are still sitting on boxes with tomatoes and hanging noodles on people's ears)))

          And here, as always, in my Armenian repertoire ... I turned on the Armenian radio and was talking nonsense out of topic. You don't believe it funny anymore. I would cry if I were you. You are so deprived of gray matter from God that you do not understand how deplorable you are. Laugh, laugh.
    3. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 2 November 2020 20: 43
      +5
      And further, we will proceed, at least from the facts, since there is no data from the headquarters.


      Yes, today there is a good and professional analysis on the Colonel Cassad. "On the situation in the mountains of Karabakh." There, the picture is laid out in detail on the shelves, which is not possible for the local authors.
      1. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 20: 46
        0
        Believe me, except for operational maps, I have not believed in anything for a long time, and I will also order them to be checked ... better give me a hundred than a dozen channels of experts ...
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 57
        -1
        There are also more serious resources. "Older than Edda", for example
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 2 November 2020 21: 52
      +9
      nnm "The fact that the Armenians were not ready is a fact, but to decide who is on the shield and who is with the shield - let's not rush. And further, we will proceed, at least from the facts, since there is no data from the headquarters."
      What are you ...))) Here local strategists have already calculated everything. Stepanakert and Shushi were taken. Armenians run and cry and so on. The newly registered Azerbaijanis under Russian nicknames are especially pleasing.))) They say that all the equipment of the Armenians was knocked out by the bayraktars. And I'm wondering if missiles hit, can any part of the equipment survive and, after a small repair, be back in service? After all, not everything turns into trash there?)))
  • Civil
    Civil 2 November 2020 19: 29
    -2
    Russia probably has nothing to help Karabakh, especially considering the economic situation and the political situation in the country from it.
    1. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 19: 49
      29
      Why should Russia help Karabakh? For what would that ....? What will it give Russia?
    2. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 20: 02
      14
      Quote: Civil
      Russia probably has nothing to help Karabakh, especially considering the economic situation and the political situation in the country from it.

      Armenians just had to live in peace. Russia gave them the Iravan Khanate, which later became the Armenian province. Gave it! Did you give all the Albanian heritage to the Armenians? Gave it. They just had to live and enjoy themselves and respect at least their neighbors. As a result, greed ruined the frayer. Give them land in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, you may not believe, but they already teach their children southern Russia that this is the land of their ancestors. Griboyedov did not just say to tsarist Russia do not bring Armenians to Russia, after a few years they will shout that this is the land of their ancestors. Even God will not help them now. You can't lie, kill and rob all the time. No one has yet canceled God's justice and the boomerang law. Get what they sowed. Did they live badly in Turkey? Did you live badly in Azerbaijan? And Russia will be helped once, two, three, ten, and when in return it receives not thanks but posters with the words Russia is the occupier of Armenia, what did everyone expect? Yes, there are quite a few zombies on the site who are holding the Armenian side, they are either Azerophobes or Christian solidarity ......... sorry.
      We never learned to distinguish the victim from the aggressor.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 2 November 2020 20: 14
        +7
        it is either azerophobes or Christian solidarity

        Where do you think azerophobia comes from in Russia? However, just like Armenophobia ..
        1. MTN
          MTN 2 November 2020 22: 24
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          Where do you think azerophobia comes from in Russia? However, just like Armenophobia ..

          Market or street punks are not Azerbaijan yet. Believe me.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 2 November 2020 22: 34
            +5
            Quote: MTN
            Market or street punks are not Azerbaijan yet. Believe me

            Water sharpens a stone ...
            Today I bought dried fruits in the department in which a young representative of Uzbekistan sat.
            I took the dried apricot fruit in my hands in order to attract the attention of the saleswoman, who was enthusiastically talking with someone on the phone, in order to buy both it and the rest of the fruits in a total weight of about 1 kg.
            She jumped in response, and in bad Russian began to teach me "the rules of customer behavior", like "don't take it there, and don't take it there ..." And this is still a soft option.
            I bought dried apricots. But the sediment remained.
            How did the main characters sing in the movie "Aybolit-66"? "You can't be famous for good deeds".
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 3 November 2020 16: 23
              +1
              Strange people! After this I don’t take it from the Russians either. The highest degree of capitalist contempt is not paying money. Let her have her own apricot.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 3 November 2020 19: 45
                0
                I agree. More there - not a foot. And less too ...
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 2 November 2020 22: 51
            +1
            Well, who is to blame that all your garbage - you floated to us? So, alas, until you take it back, you will be judged by them. And it refers to Azerbaijanis, respectively ..
            While under the Soviet Union you were all sitting at home - everything was quiet and we had real friendship of peoples .. But as soon as you declared the Russians invaders and then for some reason rushed to our cities - then the friendship between us ended. And until you get back, it will not be. For now you are the occupiers in our land.
            1. MTN
              MTN 3 November 2020 00: 04
              -2
              Quote: paul3390
              So, alas, until you take it back, you will be judged by them. And it refers to Azerbaijanis, respectively ..

              And what should we do with the Russians who live in Azerbaijan?
              Quote: paul3390
              But as soon as you declared the Russians invaders

              Did you accidentally confuse us with the Armenians?
            2. Rubina
              Rubina 3 November 2020 00: 34
              +2
              27 years ago Azerbaijan occupied 20% of the territory and one million refugees out of 8.5 million at that time. They simply did not have enough work, no land, peasants without education, what could they do? Only to the markets in Russia. And about the garbage, ask the Siberians who work in the oil industry, what the Azerbaijanis can do.
      2. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 20: 24
        +6
        Russia will be helped once, two, three, ten, and when in return it receives not thanks but posters with the words Russia is the occupier of Armenia, what did everyone expect?

        And what does Russia get in Azerbaijan, can you tell me?))) And how will this continue ...
        1. DEVIL LIFE`S
          DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 19
          +7
          Money for the sale of military equipment. At least they pay.
          1. nnm
            nnm 2 November 2020 21: 20
            -8
            Does Aazrbaydjan not pay?
        2. Alena-Baku
          Alena-Baku 3 November 2020 01: 11
          +3
          Lukoil got oil contracts for his beautiful eyes. Pumping oil through the Baku-Norosiysk pipeline costs Azerbaijan 1 billion more than through Baku-Ceyhan, but the older brother should be left happy with I.T.D.
  • Clear
    Clear 2 November 2020 19: 32
    +9
    the prospect of reaching Stepanakert was outlined
    I cannot judge the military perspective, but the prospect of a long blood feud is clearly indicated.
    1. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 19: 40
      -5
      Quote: Clear
      I cannot judge the military perspective, but the prospect of a long blood feud is clearly indicated.

      They will make themselves worse.
      1. nnm
        nnm 2 November 2020 19: 51
        +2
        In what sense ? Give them genocide?
        1. MTN
          MTN 2 November 2020 20: 07
          -5
          Quote: nnm
          In what sense ? Give them genocide?

          The President of Azerbaijan clearly said ............. what is doing on the Azerbaijani soil, a person who was born in Armenia and even with a weapon in his hands? Think further .........
          1. nnm
            nnm 2 November 2020 20: 09
            +4
            And if they don't leave, what will you do? What does Mr. Aliyev say about this? Or is it better to ask Mr. Erdogan right away?
            And about the fact that even children are born with weapons in their hands, forgive me, who told you? What are you going to do with these children ???
            1. MTN
              MTN 2 November 2020 20: 17
              -2
              Quote: nnm
              And if they don't leave, what will you do? What does Mr. Aliyev say about this?

              They either recognize the Azerbaijani passport or they will be deported. IMHO.
              They will come on a visa.

              If there is no registration and citizenship of Russia, what do you do with such persons? Exactly deportation. Or you enter Russia as it is, or dosvidos. It's the same with us.
              1. nnm
                nnm 2 November 2020 20: 19
                +1
                Excuse me, but what does Russia have to do with it? That is, you, families who have lived for centuries, are subject to deportation? And if they don't want to, then what will happen?
                And when you mention Russia so often, are you not afraid that you are too often trying to look into Nietzsche's abyss?
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 2 November 2020 22: 01
                  +4
                  nnm "And when you mention Russia so often, are you not afraid that you are trying too often to look into Nietzsche's abyss?"
                  Specifically, he is not afraid of anything.))) He has been on the site since October 11, 2020. Works as it can.)))
                2. MTN
                  MTN 2 November 2020 22: 30
                  -3
                  Quote: nnm
                  That is, you, families who have lived for centuries, are subject to deportation?

                  You are deporting Tajiks, Uzbeks or whoever else happens to have papers that are not in order (registration, visa, work permit, and so on), although they have lived under the same country for almost a century.
                  Quote: nnm
                  Excuse me, but what does Russia have to do with it?

                  I am giving you the answers to your questions from Russian laws, so that later you would not consider our laws wild.
                  Quote: nnm
                  And when you mention Russia so often, you are not afraid

                  You see, one thing I show you what is happening in Azerbaijan, and in another, I show you that the answers to your questions are identical to the answers from your legislation.
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 34
                    +3
                    Excuse me, but those who are being deported by Russia have also lived in these territories for hundreds of years? Likewise, a reference to the laws .. if you want to discuss migration law in detail - you are welcome.
                    No, you didn't understand ... your sandbox for us is just a training ground for our General Staff until one moment - until it hurts the interests of the CSTO and Russia. Otherwise ,. ...no offense
                    1. MTN
                      MTN 3 November 2020 00: 05
                      -1
                      Quote: nnm
                      does not affect the interests of the CSTO

                      None of the CSTO will go against Azerbaijan (except Russia, I doubt that)
              2. Artura
                Artura 2 November 2020 20: 51
                -1
                Dream dream ))))!!!
                1. Otshelnik
                  Otshelnik 2 November 2020 22: 04
                  +2
                  Why dream, better facts ... and since there are many of yours in Hadrut? I can continue, Jabrail, Zengilan, Gubadly, Agdere, Kelbeber .... many of yours stayed in these cities?))))
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 2 November 2020 22: 26
                    -1
                    How long will yours stay in them?
      2. Clear
        Clear 2 November 2020 19: 59
        +6
        Quote: MTN
        Quote: Clear
        I cannot judge the military perspective, but the prospect of a long blood feud is clearly indicated.

        They will make themselves worse.

        Worse than ever.
      3. Grits
        Grits 3 November 2020 08: 54
        +1
        Quote: MTN
        They will make themselves worse.

        And they made themselves worse, and so do you. Now, for a very long time, these peoples will gorgeously slaughter each other. There would be something to rejoice about and something to gloat about ...
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    3. Gofman
      Gofman 2 November 2020 22: 32
      +2
      Quote: Clear
      the prospect of a prolonged blood feud is precisely indicated.

      Chechnya-2018, Khankala. Six month business trip. I read the summary of the North Caucasus Federal District per day. Dagestan, Makhachkala. Some kind of bar, a conflict between a Dagestani - an employee of the security department and a Dagestani - a local authority. Shooting, one of them is wounded. Nearby is an Ingush colleague. I ask: "Aslan, do you have a blood feud in the Caucasus?" - "Yes there is". - "But what about those drinking in the bar, quarreling, no respect, shooting at each other, not afraid that their relatives will be avenged?" - ... something inaudible in response. I still do not understand about this blood feud.
  • MTN
    MTN 2 November 2020 19: 54
    -5
    Quote: Smirnoff
    Or maybe the command is silent about the situation?


    Nuuuu how to say recourse

    Colonel Artur Sargsyan, the deputy commander of the defense army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, was killed during the battles with the Azerbaijani army.
    In addition, the list of the dead includes the Chief of Staff of the 18th NKR Motorized Rifle Division, Colonel Sergei Shakaryan


    repeat
  • Denimax
    Denimax 2 November 2020 20: 52
    -1
    They are just at the forefront and there are no smartphones and 4G connections, and they do not see all the videos.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 2 November 2020 21: 31
    -1
    Quote: Smirnoff
    Then the troops are not quite in the know ...

    I think their relatives have already sent them a bunch of SMS-oks, explaining what they are ...
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  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 2 November 2020 21: 49
    -2
    The KUB air defense missile system is destroyed.
  • Voentorg
    Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 04
    -5
    The leadership of Armenia is draining its army and Karabakh.
    Armenia is a poor country. Azerbaijan has some $$$.
    AZE will receive Karabakh and will genocide Armenians a little, the ARM leadership will receive a little $$$.
    A good deal for both parties.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 November 2020 23: 56
      -2
      Quote: Voentorg
      AZE will receive Karabakh and genocide Armenians a little,

      This is where the story of AZE ends ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 November 2020 19: 16
    0
    Now you can clearly see that what is on the target will go out, then go out. Tvk, this is what laser guidance is!
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 2 November 2020 19: 41
      +6
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Tvk this is what laser guidance is!

      And interestingly, the soldiers start to scatter from the fact that they see the backlight or hear the sound of a bomb / rocket?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 2 November 2020 20: 00
        +3
        They spread a blow with Israeli ammunition, the sound on approach, will raise the dead!
      2. Homeland
        Homeland 2 November 2020 20: 02
        +2
        Hear the sound of an approaching kamikaze drone, missile or projectile.
  • leks
    leks 2 November 2020 19: 22
    +9
    Three weeks of hostilities, and the Armenians are still clustered together and continue to cluster.
    We had a meeting in the courtyard of the building.
    1. Clear
      Clear 2 November 2020 19: 33
      10
      Quote: leks
      Three weeks of hostilities, and the Armenians are still clustered together and continue to cluster.
      We had a meeting in the courtyard of the building.

      Perhaps they were gathered by some illiterate military commander.
    2. nnm
      nnm 2 November 2020 19: 52
      +3
      This is psychology .... that is why the trenches are dug with connected cells, and not single ones.
      1. leks
        leks 2 November 2020 20: 36
        +2
        It is clear with psychology, as well as with the trenches, although if you position the position correctly, then there will be clearly less losses. The sense of self-preservation is clearly a problem. During such a period, you should have already understood that clumping together is dangerous to health. Meeting at the house in an open place for which they arranged.
        They hit the trench with the first shot, everyone ran to help, psychology agrees, but you must understand that this is a lure.
        1. nnm
          nnm 2 November 2020 20: 39
          +2
          I agree, but believe me, the fighters learn sooooo fast ... like lighting that cigarette and a sniper. I do not know at what depth the blow was struck, etc., but very quickly this "predictability of dullness" will stop working. Makhra is definitely the most surviving species ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 2 November 2020 19: 24
    10
    Such disregard for elementary camouflage raises the assumption that Armenia, excuse me, is simply fulfilling someone's order for the complete destruction of the NKR, and all these speeches and requests for help have the sole purpose of drawing the Russian Federation into this mess.
    1. BLADFROST
      BLADFROST 2 November 2020 19: 41
      +3
      Pashinyan simply surrenders the NKR! It was immediately clear even before the hostilities. The servicemen are not aware that they have been destroyed for a long time! And Nichol reports everything about victory marches to his rapidly thinning warriors
    2. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 19: 42
      -8
      Quote: Egoza
      suggests that Armenia, sorry, is simply fulfilling someone's order for the complete destruction of NKR

      Or maybe they are not warriors after all? They have now lost their heads. The NKR Minister of Defense was smashed, his deputy was smashed. Command, smashed. Don't see the video?
    3. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 24
      0
      To push their heads against Russia and Turkey. Believe me, there is a reason.
  • Operator
    Operator 2 November 2020 19: 24
    -7
    Another tearful spell is that with the overwhelming superiority of the enemy in the air, you can supposedly defend yourself from blows with guided weapons guided by a human operator - like you just need to bury yourself underground and stop moving even in the rear laughing

    "It's too late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys have fallen off" (C)
  • Professor
    Professor 2 November 2020 19: 27
    +1
    And again, the drone footage gives reason to say that the Armenian side continues to neglect basic camouflage. Over the trenches and trenches, there is not even the simplest means of camouflage, including camouflage nets.

    Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.
    1. Smirnoff
      Smirnoff 2 November 2020 19: 33
      19
      So I think - in the same place with thermal imagers everything is visible as in the daytime. This disguise is not effective.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 2 November 2020 19: 40
        0
        Quote: Smirnoff
        So I think - in the same place with thermal imagers everything is visible as in the daytime. This disguise is not effective.

        Well, okay, maybe they have problems with excavators, but they don't have shovels either? You need to bury yourself, And they are there - they lead round dances ...
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 November 2020 19: 37
      +5
      Professor, this is about camouflage in general, and networks are given here as an example!
      1. Professor
        Professor 2 November 2020 19: 42
        -3
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor, this is about camouflage in general, and networks are given here as an example!

        They have a disguise "in general". After all, they studied in Soviet military schools. Only ATGMs and drones are equipped with a multispectral sensor and it is masked to one place. For example, armored vehicles under the branches. Do you see the branches?
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 2 November 2020 19: 54
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Thrifty
          Professor, this is about camouflage in general, and networks are given here as an example!

          They have a disguise "in general". After all, they studied in Soviet military schools. Only ATGMs and drones are equipped with a multispectral sensor and it is masked to one place. Here

          Professor, come on already terribly catching up ... even Hezbollah has learned to get away from your UAVs. Dig Deeper and go further.
          And what do you know about Soviet schools?
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 November 2020 20: 06
            -5
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Professor, come on already terribly catching up ... even Hezbollah has learned to get away from your UAVs. Dig Deeper and go further.

            They get them underground (literally). I know a thing or two about schools.

            Quote: ccsr
            In fact, false mock-ups of armored vehicles have been used for a long time, so there is no need to lie to the "professor" that it is impossible to deceive thermal imagers. You are clearly not in the subject, because a decent fire or thermal bombs also blind thermal imagers, it's just that the Armenian "commanders" did not want to do this, so they are raking in full.


            The fire interfered?
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 2 November 2020 19: 58
          10
          Quote: Professor
          For example, armored vehicles under the branches. Do you see the branches?

          In fact, false mock-ups of armored vehicles have been used for a long time, so there is no need to lie to the "professor" that it is impossible to deceive thermal imagers. You are clearly not in the subject, because a decent fire or thermal bombs also blind thermal imagers, it's just that the Armenian "commanders" did not want to do this, so they are raking in full.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 November 2020 21: 39
            0
            By all appearances, false models of the Armenians have ended long ago.
        3. Clear
          Clear 2 November 2020 20: 04
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          After all, they studied in Soviet military schools.

          If they were taught by such "professors" as you, then of course - melancholy winked
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 November 2020 20: 12
            -2
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Professor
            After all, they studied in Soviet military schools.

            If they were taught by such "professors" as you, then of course - melancholy winked

            No. They were taught that all errors obey the Normal Law of Distribution, and the number of pi in wartime can reach 4. I had great teachers. good
            1. Clear
              Clear 2 November 2020 20: 34
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Professor
              After all, they studied in Soviet military schools.

              If they were taught by such "professors" as you, then of course - melancholy winked

              No. They were taught that all errors obey the Normal Law of Distribution, and the number of pi in wartime can reach 4. I had great teachers. good

              So let's wait, in Karabakh, on March 14, and the time is 1:59:26, and then we will know for sure whether the number of Pi will reach four wink
    3. Babermetis
      Babermetis 2 November 2020 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Professor
      And again, the drone footage gives reason to say that the Armenian side continues to neglect basic camouflage. Over the trenches and trenches, there is not even the simplest means of camouflage, including camouflage nets.

      Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.


      You can tie a hose with warm water to your belt or pee ... and move on all fours. At night, in a taplovisor, they will quite pass for a flock of "four-legged" ones? Depends on the "tail".
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 19: 41
      0
      As everything stood open, the next Armenian safari for azerbaijan's drone drone continues to stand in Azerbaijan, the mass production of ammunition seems to have been established for all calibers of both small arms and artillery weapons
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 2 November 2020 22: 07
        +2
        Vadim237 "In Azerbaijan, the mass production of ammunition has been established, apparently, for all calibers of both small arms and artillery weapons."
        If so, then they are great. I mean if they have a full cycle of ammunition production.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 November 2020 00: 24
        +1
        It is they who purposefully seek and knock out the Grad installation.
        1. vlad.baryatinsky
          vlad.baryatinsky 3 November 2020 00: 43
          +3
          Shalom Aleichem!
          Taking advantage of the sad moment, I would like to express my Condolences to the Jewish People in connection with the terrorist act near the Synagogue in Vienna!
          My deepest condolences to the family and friends of the victims of this crime.
    5. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 19: 43
      -6
      Quote: Professor
      Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.

      I also cannot understand how you can disguise yourself from the thermal imager? Moreover, the drone can watch not only in thermal mode, but also a number of other advantages.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 2 November 2020 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: MTN
        I also cannot understand how you can disguise yourself from the thermal imager?

        So, apparently this is not given to you, because even during the war in the Gulf, Iraqi troops used inflatable dummies of armored vehicles to deceive American aviation. Moreover, these products are in service with the Russian army:
        The drone makes a sharp turn and goes along the defensive lines. Powerful optics captures trench lines, tanks in caponiers, command-staff vehicles, air defense positions. After confirming the satellite reconnaissance data, the drone lays down on a return course. Not even an hour passes before the fortified area is covered with a wave of powerful ruptures. But high-precision missiles (worth more than a million dollars each) hit "milk". The drone operator bought into a clever deception and put the aircraft in a false position. As a result of the raid, not a single unit of armored vehicles was damaged. And the "destroyed" tanks, armored personnel carriers and air defense systems turned out to be inexpensive but very plausible rubber dummies. How the Russian army "cheats" its likely opponents - in the material of RIA Novosti.

        https://ria.ru/20180121/1512965981.html
        Quote: MTN
        Moreover, the drone can watch not only in thermal mode, but also a number of other advantages.

        Moreover, inflatable dummies imitate all radiation, including heat, that armored vehicles have - learn the materiel before demonstrating your illiteracy.
        By the way, are you sure that everything that the drones destroyed were actually armored vehicles?
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 2 November 2020 19: 46
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.

      A thermal imager is a panacea!
      The Americans did not experience any problems at all with thermal imagers, UAVs, lasers and other flying gadgets in Afghanistan and quietly there, under the speech of victory, fled ........ laughing laughing laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 2 November 2020 19: 50
        -2
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: Professor
        Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.

        A thermal imager is a panacea!
        The Americans did not experience any problems at all with thermal imagers, UAVs, lasers and other flying gadgets in Afghanistan and quietly there, under the speech of victory, fled ........ laughing laughing laughing

        Everyone fled from Afghanistan. Afghanistan cannot be conquered.
    7. BLADFROST
      BLADFROST 2 November 2020 19: 48
      +2
      No, they turned on the microwaves and "lured" smart bombs. Now you can take a walk with a cup of coffee between hangars ..... macaws ..... macaws
    8. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 November 2020 22: 00
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      Grids? Disguises? Over the trenches? From a thermal imager? Good luck with this useless endeavor.

      Yes. Not at all.
      The art of radar deception: invisibility cloaks for military equipment

      https://topwar.ru/171492-iskusstvo-radiolokacionnogo-obmana-plaschi-nevidimki-dlja-voennoj-tehniki.html
      At the command "Sunset" and "Cloud" in a matter of seconds, the NPP plunges into an impenetrable fog, which disguised the objects of the nuclear power plant from the means of observing a conventional enemy. It was created by specialists in aerosol countermeasures of the 1st mobile brigade of the RCB protection troops. The smokescreen is such that at arm's length, without any exaggeration, not even a glance is visible. According to experts, the modern TDA-3 thermal smoke machines, which were used during the exercise, made it possible to create such a camouflage for an area with a total area of ​​over 2 square meters. km. At the same time, objects that had to be hidden from the enemy became "invisible" not only for the human eye, but also for special devices, thermal imagers. For this, for the first time during the exercise, an aerosol-forming composition based on graphite, operating in the infrared range of the electromagnetic spectrum, was used.

      http://redstar.ru/maskirovka-ot-teplovizorov/
      Modern camouflage systems for armored vehicles and personnel: recent trends

      http://integral-russia.ru/2019/02/25/sovremennye-kamuflyazhnye-sistemy-dlya-bronetehniki-i-lichnogo-sostava-poslednie-tendentsii/
  • APASUS
    APASUS 2 November 2020 19: 28
    +2
    The Armenian command does not draw conclusions from the battles at the front, does not categorically accept camouflage, does not purchase weapons against drones, and modern detection systems. Here, out of captivity, you will believe in rumors, Pashinyan put Soros to transfer Karabakh
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 November 2020 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Pashinyan ordered Soros to transfer Karabakh

      Pashinyan, of course, was seconded to Armenia by Soros, but he is relatively recently in power, his main task is to lead the pro-Western vector of Armenia's development and distance himself from the Russian Federation ...
      The Armenian command does not draw conclusions from the battles at the front, does not categorically accept camouflage, does not purchase weapons against drones, and modern detection systems.

      And this question should be asked to those who have been in power in the last 1/4 century in Armenia, the so-called. The "Karabakh" clan ...
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 2 November 2020 19: 30
    +3
    The military leadership of the Armenian side, to put it mildly, is none. Carelessness on the verge of insanity.
    1. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 19: 47
      -4
      Quote: Trojan_Wolf
      The military leadership of the Armenian side, to put it mildly, no

      That's why they die.

      Colonel Artur Sargsyan, the deputy commander of the defense army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, was killed during the battles with the Azerbaijani army.
      In addition, the list of the dead includes the Chief of Staff of the 18th NKR Motorized Rifle Division, Colonel Sergei Shakaryan
    2. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 30
      +2
      Just because of the "smart" old men in uniform, young guys are dying. Who believed their gallant speeches.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 2 November 2020 19: 39
    -9
    The media write with reference to Azerbaijani sources about participation in hostilities on the side of Armenia PMC Wagner
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 November 2020 19: 58
      14
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      The media write with reference to Azerbaijani sources about participation in hostilities on the side of Armenia PMC Wagner

      Well, finally, we agreed on which side to exhibit "Wagner" - the Azerbaijanis brought in more. smile
      And then it was even somehow offensive - the war has been going on for so long, and there is not a single accusation of using Wagner.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 2 November 2020 19: 41
    +2
    The Armenians were not ready for a high-tech war, as it turned out in vain.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 19: 43
    +2
    Yes, it's funny. Turks attacked the Armenians, NATO members offer the wolf to guard the sheep, it would be more logical to invite the PRC. Yes, and Russia is better - provided that Azerbaijan agrees to organize a symmetrical base ... I am interested in something else - why is Pashinyan still president? weakened the army, profiled Karabakh. Has he done anything good to Armenia in general? Luzer Luzerovich.
    And then in May of this year one Armenian professor said that the Russians are not capable of anything without them, like they have generals, then heroes and the quality of people 

    aznavour in their back laughing





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    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 20: 30
      +2
      Pashinyan reduced corruption there
      1. Voentorg
        Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 16
        -3
        And after the leaking of Karabakh, relations with AZE, TUR and the United States improved.
        Moreover, he himself has enriched himself a little.
        A wise president.
      2. novel66
        novel66 3 November 2020 11: 06
        +1
        reduce the apparatus - lengthen the coil! lol
    2. Voentorg
      Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 19
      -2
      For the common population of the ARM this is Karabakh to a light bulb. Empty stones.
      But improving relations with the United States gives hope for a better life.
      (even a deceptive hope is better than Karabakh)
  • Strashila
    Strashila 2 November 2020 19: 50
    +2
    The task of Pashinyan and Co. is to inflict irreparable damage on Armenia by surrendering the territory of the NKR to Azerbaijan.
    Then blame Russia for all the troubles, demand the withdrawal of the base and call on the Americans to "protect" their priests.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2020 23: 18
      +1
      Think so fancy? In my opinion, just a durk is a populist, at least in foreign policy.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 19: 50
    +6
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    The media write with reference to Azerbaijani sources about participation in hostilities on the side of Armenia PMC Wagner

    You, this Wagner, are bustling from Belarus to Syria, there must be a whole division, or even a front. laughing
    1. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 32
      +2
      I agree, the noise from the whole infantry corps.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 2 November 2020 19: 56
    +4
    There is an opinion, time will tell who is right:
    1. Clear
      Clear 2 November 2020 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: Tank Hard
      There is an opinion, time will tell who is right:

      Daniel, Y. Podolyak says everything correctly, only lied that the United States gave free equipment and weapons to the USSR during the Second World War. We paid in gold.
      1. Professor
        Professor 2 November 2020 20: 29
        +4
        Quote: Clear
        only lied that the United States gave free equipment and weapons to the USSR during the Second World War. We paid in gold.

        Educational program. They paid only for what they left for themselves after the war. For what was lost in battle, they did not pay at all, as well as for what was returned to the bourgeoisie.
        1. Clear
          Clear 2 November 2020 20: 45
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Likbez.
          Glad to meet you, Yasnaya hi

          Quote: Professor
          They paid only for what they left for themselves after the war. For what was lost in battle, they did not pay at all, as well as for what was returned to the bourgeoisie.

          I, and I write that we are to them - paid!
          Old, I suppose, Oleg? Bad see? wink
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 November 2020 21: 56
            +4
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Professor
            Likbez.
            Glad to meet you, Yasnaya hi

            Quote: Professor
            They paid only for what they left for themselves after the war. For what was lost in battle, they did not pay at all, as well as for what was returned to the bourgeoisie.

            I, and I write that we are to them - paid!
            Old, I suppose, Oleg? Bad see? wink

            They paid for what was appropriated, not used. Feel the difference.
        2. Rubina
          Rubina 3 November 2020 00: 16
          -3
          And even for what they left, they paid for the last time under Brezhnev, and, moreover, without taking into account the devaluation of the dollar
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 November 2020 21: 42
        -2
        And in the end, the USSR paid only for a tenth of what was delivered on the Lend Lease.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 2 November 2020 22: 10
        +2
        Clear "Daniel, Yuri Podolyak says everything is right, he just lied"
        So Podolyaka lies a lot)))
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 2 November 2020 19: 57
    +3
    Quote: Hunter 2
    So I'm wondering, do Armenians have any Commanders? Where are the officers, did Pashinyan "skip" all the regular military men?
    The impression is that they do not understand elementary things, it does not even look like militiamen ... so "a holiday in kindergarten."

    Not only rode. Many were destroyed in the first day of the start of large-scale hostilities. I have just read that the Armenians are reporting the death of the chief of staff of the division only now, while he died and the Azerbaijanis announced his "destruction" on the 27th, on the first day. That is, apparently, in the first days, many officers of the battalion-regiment-division level were knocked out, which caused confusion and vacillation, large losses among the Armenians.

    Take the same story with the commander of a group in Karabakh, a video of a missile strike on his car was posted here. The Armenians said that he was wounded, but nothing threatens his health, today that he is about to die, Azerbaijanis from the first days claim that he and his companion in the back seat were torn to shreds.

    Most likely, the Armenians are forced to withhold the information in order to avoid the complete demoralization of their troops, since there are so many videos of desertion.
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    2. MTN
      MTN 2 November 2020 22: 35
      -5
      Quote: Azimuth
      Most likely, the Armenians are forced to withhold the information in order to avoid the complete demoralization of their troops, since there are so many videos of desertion.

      And there is. Even the list of their dead comes with a delay of 2-3 weeks. For this reason, the figures for their deaths have been reduced three times.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 2 November 2020 19: 59
    +1
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    The media write with reference to Azerbaijani sources about participation in hostilities on the side of Armenia PMC Wagner

    Hardly. Ours are not there yet, neither Wagner, nor anyone else. The war is completely ours.

    And if they write fairy tales like the Armenians about the Turkish special forces and the Syrians, then apparently the Azerbaijanis also had losses because of the deaf commanders, who should now be blamed on some kind of Rambo.
  • yfast
    yfast 2 November 2020 20: 03
    +1
    And at what distance can the operator confidently operate these drones?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 November 2020 20: 24
      0
      150 km and in a mobile point (truck with a mast).
      280 km for new models, just recently they reported that they introduced an improvement package and closed the tests. They say now they will offer new ones with better parameters.
      Similarly, for example, Orion.


      If we take more modern and large models - there on the satellite. We sit at the base and strike from UAVs thousands of kilometers away.
      1. yfast
        yfast 2 November 2020 20: 31
        +2
        Will you be able to direct the rocket to the mobile point? She must have a characteristic radio communication channel with the drone. From there - high-speed image transmission, there - low-speed control commands.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 November 2020 20: 39
          0
          It will work out. Only this is in the conditions of Mars, where there are several transmitters. I wish you success in selecting signals in a war + developed industrial civilization. Well, stations are also needed (which will also become targets), a lot of work is needed and it is not a fact that the rocket will be aimed exactly there (even if you guess the transmission area correctly).

          If via satellite, then it is generally impossible there. Here are the guys sitting somewhere near Ankara and probably not even hiding, that is, there is no need to track, but just throw a rocket at them ... wink
    2. deniso
      deniso 2 November 2020 23: 06
      +2
      Quote: yfast
      And at what distance can the operator confidently operate these drones?


      Up to 150km.
  • svoit
    svoit 2 November 2020 20: 23
    0
    Quote: MTN
    I also cannot understand how you can disguise yourself from the thermal imager?

    It is possible to light a smoldering fire under a dense netting, to walk in gas masks during a dangerous period, and to organize surveillance, but UAVs can also engage in direct support of their infantry
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 November 2020 21: 46
      0
      There are special capes - though they cost a lot of money, alas, the Armenians definitely cannot afford it. By the way, "It became known about the death of Artur Sargsyan, Deputy Defense Minister and Deputy Commander of the NKR Defense Army"
  • certero
    certero 2 November 2020 20: 29
    +2
    Surprisingly, there are no videos from the Armenian side at all
    1. deniso
      deniso 2 November 2020 23: 07
      +1
      Quote: certero
      Surprisingly, there are no videos from the Armenian side at all

      They have videos, but not as clear as those of Azerbaijan.
    2. deniso
      deniso 2 November 2020 23: 07
      -1
      Quote: certero
      Surprisingly, there are no videos from the Armenian side at all

      They have videos, but not as clear as those of a
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 20: 32
    +4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Pashinyan reduced corruption there

    Oh yes, at first they took some of the nosed ones, then brought their own laughing
  • yfast
    yfast 2 November 2020 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    I wish you success in selecting signals in a war + developed industrial civilization.

    I did not write that you simply want to live, and you will not learn how to select. The question is whether they want to live with us. To begin with, our warriors need to understand that it is worth carrying radars, missiles and HP with different baskets, and not lose three in one. Well, then, maybe they will understand something else.
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 2 November 2020 20: 46
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Such disregard for elementary camouflage raises the assumption that Armenia, excuse me, is simply fulfilling someone's order for the complete destruction of the NKR, and all these speeches and requests for help have the sole purpose of drawing the Russian Federation into this mess.

    And to assume that simply narcissists, who believed in their own fairy tales, incompetent fools and the fact that the Armenians do not have a normal military leadership familiar with modern tactics and methods of warfare, is this not an option?)
    As for the constant attempts of the Armenians to involve the Russian Federation in the war, I agree with you, this is simply already noticeable with the naked eye, as they say.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 20: 49
    +2
    Ter Petrosyan said the following for which the Armenian society "booed" him: In one of my last articles I noted that “the root of all Armenia's troubles is the hardest social situation, poverty of the population, mass emigration, lack of equipment in the army, illegal elections, lack of justice, trampling on democracy and human rights - corruption is: a continuous and insatiable plunder of national wealth by government officials ”(iLur.am. 19.10.2016; Chorrord Ishkhanutiun. 20.10.2016). However, this is only the visible part of the iceberg. Invisible is the political philosophy underlying the construction of the Armenian state, in other words, the strategy of preserving the Karabakh status quo and developing for another hundred years under the blockade. To what, predicted in due time, disastrous consequences such philosophy led, I think, it is unnecessary to explain. The fact is that in 1998 we had one country, and today we live in a completely different country. This means that the most important task, which in a stronger position could have been solved 18 years ago, are now forced to solve in an incomparably weakened state. And if we wait a little longer, we will inevitably find ourselves in a situation worse than the current one, repeating the adventurism of 1920, when, striving for maximum territorial expansion, we lost about half of the territory available to the Republic of Armenia. It would seem that the still unresolved consequences of the 2008 economic crisis, the increasing rates of emigration, the state debt that has reached dangerous limits, the associated threat of default and especially the shock that arose as a result of the April war, would have a sobering effect on the Armenian authorities, forcing them to radically reconsider the ongoing destructive a disastrous policy on the Karabakh issue, and to develop a completely different strategy to counter the aforementioned challenges. However, judging by the reaction of the regime, it seems that we will be disappointed in this matter as well, since instead of the expected rational steps, it threw a new ridiculous ideology into the arena, which again leads us to a dead end, with all the ensuing negative consequences. We are talking about the idea of ​​forming a "nation-army", which, unfortunately, found a place even in the program of the new government. So that's it.
    1. DEVIL LIFE`S
      DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 39
      +2
      A nation - an army, what is it like? Excuse me, but does that mean all for weapons?
      1. MTN
        MTN 2 November 2020 22: 38
        -4
        Quote: DEVIL LIFE`S
        A nation - an army, what is it like? Excuse me, but does that mean all for weapons?

        Genocide your population
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 20: 55
    +3
    There are many clans among the Armenians, and those that "not on earth" were radicalized and their nationalism in their heads is the only thing that connects them with the ideas of the Armenians. These are both muddying the water and muddying it since the 80s. All sorts of Dashnaks and the like.
  • DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 2 November 2020 21: 42
    +2
    It seems that both sides are experiencing temporary interruptions in reserves. Some are trying to drag Russia into a war of their own (Russian) without doing anything. The latter regroup and drag out time with artillery.
  • Hello from Baku
    Hello from Baku 2 November 2020 21: 45
    +1
    Armenia had a wise president Ter-Petrosyan, in 1997 he looked into the water - “The denial of compromise and maximalism are the shortest way to aggravate the situation in Armenia and the complete collapse of Karabakh. It's not about returning Karabakh or not. The point is to keep Karabakh Armenian: for three thousand years it was inhabited by Armenians and should be inhabited by Armenians for another three thousand years. The path I have taken will provide this perspective. Armenia and Karabakh are now stronger than ever, but without a settlement in a year or two they will become incomparably weaker. About, what we reject today, in the future we will have to ask - as happened many times in our history "
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 13
      -4
      Pashinyan is even wiser, dumps Karabakh for your $$$ (payment through Soros).
      Maybe you were just greedy in 1997?
      I think then the leadership of Armenia would also have merged their country for a little $$$.
  • agoran
    agoran 2 November 2020 21: 49
    +1
    Here's an interesting topic.
    If the Armenians, how do they position themselves, how a wise nation should remove the "soroset", the quarter of diplomatic representatives of minke whales.
    Otherwise, kmk, Karabakh will end.
    1. Voentorg
      Voentorg 2 November 2020 23: 27
      -4
      A "wise nation" is also "wise" not to see the point in the current situation and isolation.
      It is better to merge Karabakh for the sake of improving relations with AZE, TUR and the USA.
      "Wise people" are "wise" to enrich themselves. For the AWP management, it is better to merge Karabakh into $$$ AZE.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 November 2020 21: 51
    +2
    Quote: DEVIL LIFE`S
    A nation - an army, what is it like? Excuse me, but does that mean all for weapons?

    It did not take long for the concept of "nation-army" to walk in the rank of "national idea" of Sargsyan's Armenia.

    Even at the dawn of its sounding, shortly after the April 2016 clashes, when the defeat from the Azerbaijani army, which had recaptured a number of strategic positions in the territories occupied by Armenia, forced the regime of Serzh Sargsyan to plant a kind of "salutary mobilizing" idea on its population.
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock 2 November 2020 22: 13
    -1
    Quote: Clear
    Quote: Professor
    Likbez.
    Glad to meet you, Yasnaya hi

    Quote: Professor
    They paid only for what they left for themselves after the war. For what was lost in battle, they did not pay at all, as well as for what was returned to the bourgeoisie.

    I, and I write that we are to them - paid!
    Old, I suppose, Oleg? Bad see? wink

    And what's the sarcasm? The professor is right. We received 11 billion aid. They paid for a little less than 700 million and provided counter supplies and services for 2,2 billion. The balance was in favor of the states - more than 8 billion. We filled it up normally and the conditions were good. Why flirt here?
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 2 November 2020 22: 38
    -6
    author, do not disgrace)
    Red Bazar was taken 2 weeks ago. And I believed it!
    The propaganda of Azerbots is strong, that is, that is.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 November 2020 00: 10
    0
    Quote: agoran
    If the Armenians, how do they position themselves, how a wise nation should remove the "soroset", the quarter of diplomatic representatives of minke whales.
    Otherwise, kmk, Karabakh will end.
    In fact, about a wise nation, this is about Jews ... Armenians just trying to imitate them talk about their wisdom and biblical origin. Well, this is so, by the way.

    Even a child already understands why we allowed Azerbaijan to start this war and take such an emphatically "correct" position. Pashinyan understands this perfectly, and his curators understand it even better. Pashinyan understands even better that the more he fights, the more Armenians will die in Karabakh under Azerbaijani UAVs, shells and bullets, but anyway, having made his face like a brick, he cuts off his phone and scribbles letters to GDP.
    Russian Armenians, who have weight in almost direct text in open letters addressed to Pashinyan, say that he needs to leave, the locals, including the former prime minister and minister of the Ministry of Defense, say the same thing, but all in vain.
    He removed all experienced officers from the Ministry of Defense and special services as pro-Russian, headed by Mr. Tonoyan, whose entire military experience was accumulated in the posts of the representative of the Armenian Armed Forces in NATO. We all remember the fact that the "peacekeeping battalion" of the Armenian Armed Forces, which was also supervised by Tonoyan, being in fact a unit of the Armenian army that participated in various "peacekeeping" NATO operations, went to rallies and processions to support Pashinyan, contrary to the laws and regulations.

    The Sorosians and, by the way, many nationalists who have joined them believe that Armenia can pursue an independent policy, and put the interests of Armenia above the interests of Russia, and we "must", among other things, accept and share such things. In their speeches, articles, statements there is no request, they demand and believe that they have the right to demand, and we owe the "wise" Armenian people. The truth is that they "owe" us not a word for this anywhere ... And seeing and understanding our position and knowing its reasons, they do not think of anything better to just make provocations over and over again, trying to drag us into this conflict. In their obstinacy, they do not understand that after Belarus, everything, basta, jokes are over, and all of this garbage will be cleaned up all our underbelly, and even more so the CSTO. Once again, we need to think hard about such allies.
    We expected that by selling weapons to Armenia at domestic prices, under preferential loans, we would have a strong military ally, but what in the end? - and in the end it turns out that the ally's army is ZERO. But the Azerbaijani army is far from being NATO and not the most modern, even despite the abundance of UAVs. And what else is becoming clear against the background of our ally being defeated? - it turns out that an ally buying weapons from us at domestic prices, then ... reselling it for export. At prices slightly lower than the world prices, the difference in price went into the pocket of the top. This is where our weapons and aid to Armenia are, but the Armenians prefer to keep silent about this. But this not only undermined our arms trade in foreign markets, but our opponents also got weapons, or rather their proxies, damaging our forces and the forces that we support. Can you imagine in what position we found ourselves in front of our allies when their enemy surfaced our weapons produced "yesterday"? ...

    The plan for the sequential withdrawal of their troops from 5, and then two regions around the NKR, the introduction of peacekeepers, and this seems to be our military presence in Azerbaijan for more than one decade, was our plan, but from year to year the Armenians sabotaged it, it is clear in whose interests they did it.

    About the Eastern Partnership, which under Sargsyan, not even under Pashinyan, the Armenians ran to sign, feeding us with fairy tales, they say, Armenia will be both there and in the Eurasian Economic Community. Despite the fact that the Europeans themselves clearly said "either or", the Armenians believed that by quickly signing, they would then confront us with the fact that we cannot go to the Eurasian Economic Community because of the previously adopted restrictions.

    A lot of things have accumulated and I think the Armenians did something even more with the arrival of Pashinyan, we simply do not know everything, but something serious, since it was decided to arrange an exemplary flogging for the Armenians with the hands of Azerbaijanis, who cannot be fed with bread.

    So either Pashinyan will leave, or there will be a continuation of the war, and more severe scenarios are possible in the future after Karabakh.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 3 November 2020 00: 15
    +5
    The hitting accuracy is phenomenal. Clearly in the trench, clearly on target. The Russian SU-34 and Su-24 in Syria, with their corrected FABs, never dreamed of this. There is almost never such accuracy. This means an increased intensity of sorties to finish targeting. Hence the crazy consumption of bombs, fuel, aircraft wear and tear and crew fatigue. The backwardness of the Russian army against armies with drones is colossal. I hope the Russian military strategists have already understood everything and are urgently looking for a way to neutralize drones in the front zone.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 November 2020 00: 20
    -1
    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    The hitting accuracy is phenomenal. Clearly in the trench, clearly on target. The Russian SU-34 and Su-24 in Syria, with their corrected FABs, never dreamed of this. There is almost never such accuracy. This means an increased intensity of sorties to finish targeting. Hence the crazy consumption of bombs, fuel, aircraft wear and tear and crew fatigue. The backwardness of the Russian army against armies with drones is colossal. I hope the Russian military strategists have already understood everything and are urgently looking for a way to neutralize drones in the front zone.

    There, an attack UAV has 3-7 kg of explosives, and on an attack aircraft a bomb from 50 kg to 1 ton, such accuracy is not needed, the target will be destroyed in any case. Watch the video of strikes on artillery, hitting the gun, it is not yet known how much damage it inflicts, while the crew often manages to hide in a dugout. And what will happen there if an aerial bomb arrives from a strike aircraft and even with a deviation from the target of several meters? ... - both the gun and the crew will be destroyed.
    I think it's too early to sing the odes of the UAV.
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 3 November 2020 02: 06
      +3
      No - it's time to sing. Saturation of the leading edge with wax AA, moreover, with a medium radius, is now a prerequisite. For the first time, on these rollers, you can clearly see the laser mark on the target - glare-flares. It can be concluded that the strike is delivered in a bundle by two drones - one produces target designation, and the second drops ammunition, because ammunition arrives from the side. According to your comment - you contradict yourself, don't you notice? What is the point of dropping 250 kg and striking with power if you can lose 2 kg and amaze with accuracy? If we are talking about the destruction of equipment and manpower, then the second method is more effective and cheaper. In addition, the jet bomber can be heard from afar, and the drone is quiet, because slow and equipped with a low-power propeller engine.
  • Slon1978
    Slon1978 3 November 2020 01: 59
    0
    A camouflage net or vegetation cover will not help against a thermal sight. There is also doubt that stretching the fabric over the trenches will also help with the seasons. It is already cold, the temperature is low and it is quite possible that even through human tissue it will be visible in the trench in the thermal imaging sight - if not in contrast to the arms and legs, then as a heat spot. As long as Azerbaijan has air superiority, the losses will be monstrous and the advance will continue. We need modern air defense.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 02: 07
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    ... Regarding the colonials of cassad, they cannot do anything with the fortified areas of Lachin and Shushi, but this blogger did not serve in the army and quotes someone's opinion.

    He is subjective and took the side of the Armenians, possibly for money. Someone paid for it, if not, then alas, he is not far off. We must remain impartial.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 03: 42
    +2
    Quote: Albay
    In principle, the Armenians built a fairly competent defense system on the line of contact by the time the war began. My memory is unlikely to deceive me, there were and are echeloned lines of defense in places dangerous for a tank breakthrough, and these two lines had gone 10 km deep.


    Everything is correct, only this is relevant for the last century. Times are different now. This is not a problem for a high-tech army. Air supremacy, complete information about the enemy and the use of high-precision weapons nullify all this digging in the ground.
  • Seal
    Seal 3 November 2020 11: 23
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    But the main forces of the Armenian army are still on the territory of Armenia. It's too early to wave your caps. Although the equipment has already been knocked out decently from them, but again in Armenia itself, the units are still intact and equipped.
    Oh, I doubt it though. Most likely the situation in Armenia is now very similar to the situation with the Kwantung Army. Which from the summer of 1942 began to be pulled apart piece by piece. Including taking away her weapons. As a result, by 1945, only a pale shadow of the Kwantung Army remained from the millionth and well-armed (well, well-armed of course by the standards of 1941).
  • Seal
    Seal 3 November 2020 11: 27
    +1
    Quote: Azimuth
    We expected that by selling weapons to Armenia at domestic prices, under preferential loans, we would have a strong military ally, but what in the end? - and in the end it turns out that the ally's army is ZERO.
    We didn't expect anything. They simply met the requirements of the Armenian lobby. We also "sold" weapons conditionally. First, they provided Armenia with a technical (that is, interest-free) loan for the purchase of our weapons, and then Armenia "bought" our weapons with our loan. However, she still did not return the loan.
  • Seal
    Seal 3 November 2020 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: Voentorg
    Armenia is a poor country.
    KIRK KRKORYAN (USA)
    FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT of one of the largest US corporations Tracinda Corporation. In 1978, Time magazine named Kirk Krkorian the country's most successful entrepreneur. Krkorian owned shares in the Chrysler and Ford Motor Company car companies. Today, Krkorian's companies operate the largest gambling houses in the states of Nevada and California: MGM Grand, Flamengo, International Hotel. In 2005, the Washigton Post ranked Krkorian as the second most successful gambling businessman in US history (Benjamin Siegelbaum was the first). Krkorian founded the United Armenian Found and the Lincy Foundation. According to Armenian Bar Co, in the period 1988-2011, Krkorian allocated more than $ 5 billion to Armenia and NKR. He was awarded the degree of National Hero of Armenia.

    STEVEN KANDARYAN (USA). PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL insurance company MetLife. Kandaryan's official fortune is estimated at $ 25 billion. About 90% of Fortune 500 companies are corporate clients of MetLife. Today MetLife is also ranked 31st in the list of the 500 largest companies in the world. Steve Kandaryan is one of the largest Armenian benefactors, but he prefers not to advertise his activities. He transfers millions of dollars every year to the accounts of Armenian charitable foundations. His companies provide assistance to the leading Armenian lobbying groups in the United States.

    EDUARDO ERNEKIAN (ARGENTINA) PRESIDENT OF American International Airports and Aeropuertos Argentina 2000. Ernekian's companies operate 32 Argentine airports and the main airports in Uruguay, Ecuador and Armenia. It was at the expense of Eduardo Ernekian's investments that the old terminal of the Zvartnots airport (worth $ 200 million) was reconstructed. In February 2007, Eurnekian bought shares in Converse Bank CJSC (Armenia). Today he is considered the richest businessman in Argentina and is one of the five richest people in South America. Eurnekian is the main financial donor to Armenian organizations in Latin America. Over the past five years he has invested many millions of dollars to various funds of Armenia and Artsakh. In 2011, Catholicos of All Armenians Garegin II, during his trip to Argentina, ordained Eduardo Eurnekian to the Knights of Holy Etchmiadzin.

    And so on and so forth.
    Where is the money, Zin?
  • Seal
    Seal 3 November 2020 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    How did the main characters sing in the movie "Aybolit-66"? "You cannot become famous for good deeds."
    In the film "Aybolit-66" the main characters sang about "normal heroes walking around". The old woman Shapoklyak from a completely different film (cartoon) sang about the fact that one cannot become famous for good deeds.
  • Seal
    Seal 3 November 2020 11: 51
    +1
    Quote: Azimuth
    The Sorosians and, by the way, many nationalists who have joined them believe that Armenia can pursue an independent policy, and put the interests of Armenia above the interests of Russia, and we "must", among other things, accept and share such things.
    Actually, this is their nationwide.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 3 November 2020 11: 55
    0
    The fact that in a month of fighting the Azerbaijani army deep inside the territory of Karabakh already says a lot ...
    We are waiting for a great counterattack from Generalissimo Pashinyan !!! ))
  • Konnick
    Konnick 3 November 2020 15: 41
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    why the management of our orbital group still hangs on the officers, and the "creative civilians" are not allowed to get near this and a cannon shot

    Mostly there are "jackets".
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 3 November 2020 17: 49
    -1
    Quote: Slon1978
    No - it's time to sing. Saturation of the leading edge with wax AA, moreover, with a medium radius, is now a prerequisite. For the first time, on these rollers, you can clearly see the laser mark on the target - glare-flares. It can be concluded that the strike is delivered in a bundle by two drones - one produces target designation, and the second drops ammunition, because ammunition arrives from the side. According to your comment - you contradict yourself, don't you notice? What is the point of dropping 250 kg and striking with power if you can lose 2 kg and amaze with accuracy? If we are talking about the destruction of equipment and manpower, then the second method is more effective and cheaper. In addition, the jet bomber can be heard from afar, and the drone is quiet, because slow and equipped with a low-power propeller engine.
    From topic to topic it is already beginning to get bored to answer the same thing. DO NOT judge by examples of the use of shock UAVs against the "Papuans", about the role of shock UAVs in general. You overestimate them and strongly.
    Look even at micro-states like the Baltic

    The same MANPADS of the previous generation are in service, for example, in Iran, if we take the region of the last conflict, which is already ... tired of it.

    And now we think that an attack UAV of the Bayraktar TV-2 type will be shot down by a light RBS-70NG air defense system, and a patrolling ammunition or a kamikaze strike drone, by definition, does not carry sufficient means to protect it from electronic warfare, and for example, once a conversation came over Lithuania, (video about her Armed Forces), then look at the list of recent purchases of electronic warfare equipment and those electronic warfare equipment that Lithuania has transferred to Ukraine ...
    Once again, there is no need to judge by the "Papuans" and broadcast the experience of Karabakh to full-fledged armies, even if microscopic, but armies, and not a bunch of representatives of the Mumba-Yumba tribe, so called.
    I already wrote today, I will repeat once again, at one time, "someone" put all aviation and artillery under the knife, deciding that now everything is decided by missiles, now other geniuses have imagined that everything is decided by UAVs.

    Another example, I will speculate like you, I will wave a checker laughing Having practically destroyed the air defense in Karabakh, you can stupidly drop the simplest analogs of the forerunner of the Amer's MOAVs, called BLU-82 / B Daisy Cutter (google Big Blue 2). Their equipment, this is the simplest saltpeter, and luminescent powder, there was rubber, but it is not needed for a hundred years, the same fuel oil for the eyes, if you do not store it for a year and a half. Americans dropped 11 such bombs on Iraq, this is less than a carriage of saltpeter worth 7 kilo bucks, with everything about everything, let 11-12 kilo bucks do everything. For the same Azerbaijanis, up to a heap of Il-76, taking into account the scale of that Karabakh and the landscape, 11 such bombs are "Hiroshima and Nagasaki", a couple of divisions were licked up like a cow's tongue. AND? How much is there only one of your precise ammunition with 2kg warhead?

    Science, and military science is also a science, this is a systemic, not a linear approach. What is new for you and with which you rush like a written sack, for military science this is already yesterday, including for ours. Once again, even a microscopic Lithuanian army has more than enough means to deal with various types of UAVs, including shock and kamikaze drones.