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Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled

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The Estonian Defense Forces handed over to Ukraine 9x18 mm cartridges for the Makarov pistol (PM), which the Estonian military no longer uses. They were removed from service, the cartridges were to be disposed of.


The Estonian television and radio company EER reports that Estonia has helped Ukraine with ammunition.

The number of transferred ammunition was not disclosed. It is noted that the Estonian army has already abandoned the use of Soviet pistols and cartridges for them in connection with the transition to NATO standards. Instead of destroying them, the Estonian military decided to send ammunition to their Ukrainian colleagues, to provide them with a kind of assistance.

Earlier, in July this year, it was reported that the Republic of Estonia had decided to give Ukraine about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols, which had already been removed from service, free of charge.

At the same time, there is no data on what are the guarantees that the cartridges for PM transferred to Ukraine are "exploitable", whether their storage period in warehouses has expired.

EER also reported that this week the Estonian Defense Forces carried out an ammunition destruction operation at the Sirgala training ground. They decided to dispose of them because of the expired shelf life. Subject to destruction were grenades and 120-millimeter smoke mines for anti-tank grenade launchers "Karl Gustav" of Swedish production. The Center for Defense Investments of the republic declares that in the future they plan not to dispose of most of such ammunition, but to return it to manufacturers.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 November 2020 12: 18 New
    13
    Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 November 2020 12: 22 New
      16
      Quote: sergo1914
      Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.
    2. poquello
      poquello 1 November 2020 12: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.

      ett "it's a pity to throw it out" in NATO
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 1 November 2020 14: 07 New
        +1
        that in the future most of such ammunition is planned not to be disposed of, but to be returned to the manufacturers.

        Hopefully not self-propelled laughing And then the manufacturers will strain
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 1 November 2020 12: 30 New
      10
      Quote: sergo1914
      Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.

      Just recycling costs money! In this case, the Estonians received political preferences, as an assistant in the fight against "Moscow", and at the same time shoved the expired rubbish to the outskirts.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 12: 38 New
        +9
        I wonder if there is a self-pickup, or the seluks, known for their penchant for freebies, insisted on delivery "to the door" at the expense of the Estonians?
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 1 November 2020 13: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          I wonder if there is a pickup

          when "in July of this year, it was reported that the Republic of Estonia decided to give Ukraine about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols free of charge" - Estonia took upon itself transport costs in the amount of seven thousand euros.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 13: 43 New
            +3
            Thanks for the help.
            Well, that's logical. Considering that Estonia is going to spend 200 million euros in ammunition in the next five years, seven thousand is a trifle)
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 1 November 2020 14: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Considering that Estonia is going to boom

              What is trifling, they offered Lithuania and Latvia to buy a tracking satellite for three
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 14: 14 New
                +1
                Whoa! Serious application for space. Rough: satellite depending on specifications approx. € 300 million Plus delivery to the top ... well, say, 50-100 million. They can handle it. Albeit with difficulty. Only what for them this expensive toy?
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 1 November 2020 15: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Only what for them this expensive toy?

                  so that there is another "expensive toy" energy "green". In the EU, ecology, a "green deal", carbon neutrality, wind turbines are needed for this, and, as luck would have it, the Balts interfere with the operation of radars. In the same Estonia -! During the work it became clear that there is a real risk to the security of the state and that it has already been realized. Wind turbines installed in Aidu wind farm impede the operation of state defense-related early warning systems "https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/02/12/estonskiy-park-vetrogeneratorov-priznali-opasnym-dlya-gosoborony
                  In Latvia - Already now there are wind turbines with a height of one hundred meters, but new ones will be up to 250 meters ... There are sea and air radars along the entire coast of Latvia. Large-scale construction is not allowed in the immediate vicinity of them. On September 9, representatives of the Ministry of Defense met with representatives of the Wind Energy Association and the Ministry of Economy to discuss this problem. https://lv.sputniknews.ru/Latvia/20201023/14554527/Les-vetryakov-pod-Ventspilsom-mozhet-pomeshat-voennym-i-uchenym.html
                2. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 1 November 2020 15: 23 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  satellite depending on specifications approx. € 300 million Plus delivery to the top ... well, say, 50-100 million.

                  So no one says that these "space powers" are going to launch it))) Just what would be. Ukraine also has a satellite, "Lybid" is called, which we have been in storage for 10 years, but Ukraine has "hryvnia" NEM to launch it.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 1 November 2020 15: 50 New
                    +1
                    Ukraine also has a satellite called Lybid, which has been in storage for 10 years

                    Do they pay for storage?
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 1 November 2020 15: 54 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      Ukraine also has a satellite called Lybid, which has been in storage for 10 years

                      Do they pay for storage?

                      Probably not, because they don't like paying bills at all laughing Let's take the debt by the product itself, at the price of the device when they become equal. yes
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 1 November 2020 15: 57 New
                        +2
                        Let's take the debt by the product itself, at the price of the device when they become equal.

                        If only by this time "Lybid" is not completely rotten, otherwise the project of NPO Lavochkin "Phobos-Grunt" was covered up due to rotten electronics. The result is the Phobos-Pacific Ocean project.
                  2. Brturin
                    Brturin 1 November 2020 17: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Ukraine also has a satellite, "Lybid" is called

                    Until the age of 24, the tea will lie down ... In August, they wanted a rocket for 1,5 thousand km by this year.
                    “Until 2024, we have a step-by-step schedule of what we would like to see and do. As for the industry itself, these are our missiles. . We set ourselves a task a little more "- Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov. https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1,5
                    This "little more" at the end of October was Ze's mandate to create a light-class launch vehicle by 2024. Here, the truth was elections on the nose, and the vaccine must be done ... and he somehow about the cosmodrome ...
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 1 November 2020 17: 12 New
                      +2
                      Quote: BrTurin
                      Here, the truth was elections on the nose, and the vaccine must be done ... and he somehow about the cosmodrome ...

                      And the debt exceeding 17 billion dollars to the IMF to pay + interest of almost 800 million dollars on the debt. I think they won't get to the cosmodrome for a long time.
          2. Alexga
            Alexga 1 November 2020 17: 56 New
            -1
            7 tf. EURO transport costs! They were probably transported in a spaceship. 1280 pieces in zinc, 2560 in a box. If we consider that the Ministry of Defense, when withdrawing parts, withdrew all its ammunition, it is likely that this is what was in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there the reserves are very small.
            1. minus
              minus 1 November 2020 18: 33 New
              +1
              Um ... 7 thousand euros not for shipping cartridges. There were 2400 pistols and not cartridges) So it's ok))))
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 1 November 2020 12: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: kapitan92
        shoved the outskirts of expired rubbish.

        The fact that the "trash" is expired is far from a fact.
        But the fact is that they themselves were pushed aside by the expiration of the "NATO standard" which they had to destroy.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 1 November 2020 13: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          The fact that the "trash" is expired is far from a fact.

          In this matter, I can only refer to my own little experience. In 1988 there were valid shooting
          In the shooting gallery, on the basis of our military unit, they brought a couple of boxes of cartridges to the PM. Derev. box, something like glassine inside, ordinary packaging, such as:

          I have not seen cartridges for PM in zinc, maybe it did not happen.
          "Estonian" ammunition for PM is over 30 years old. Expired or not ???
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 13: 48 New
            +2
            . Expired or not ???

            Honestly, I suspect that, having received a delay, khokheli will sadly establish that it is unsuitable for use, and someone will demand a certain amount from the budget for cutting. What do you think?
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 1 November 2020 15: 54 New
            +3
            I already wrote that I happened to shoot 1997 rifle cartridges at a ballistic stand in 1946. Three cartridges out of a hundred gave an increase in muzzle velocity by 30%, which is associated with the aging of the powder.
          3. Stas Snezhin
            Stas Snezhin 2 November 2020 02: 46 New
            +1
            We have exactly the same packaging, only cartridges with yellow sleeves.
            You shoot from the PM everything is normal. From the PMM, three diagonal bulges on the sleeve after the shot are formed. At first I thought it was a kerdy ​​to the barrel, then the EKO specialists suggested that this was such a feature of the barrel.
            1. Stas Snezhin
              Stas Snezhin 2 November 2020 03: 09 New
              0
              Then, when shooting from the "Wedge", exactly the same crap was found.
              In short, this is for braking the cartridge case in the chamber.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 November 2020 13: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          But the fact is that they themselves were pushed aside by the expiration of the "NATO standard" which they had to destroy.

          Not quite.
          They were allocated this "delay" in the 2000s on purpose for combat training, but ....
      3. Machito
        Machito 1 November 2020 13: 56 New
        -1
        God, that we do not want.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 36 New
        -1
        Quote: kapitan92
        Just recycling costs money!

        The Estonians carried out the utilization competently according to the scheme "God forbid that we do not want".
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 23: 40 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine

          The Estonians carried out the utilization competently according to the scheme "God forbid that we do not want".

          A strange scheme. Don't confuse anything with a saying?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 2 November 2020 12: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            A strange scheme. Don't confuse anything with a saying?

            And why confuse, the Ukrainians got that worthless.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 2 November 2020 12: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And why confuse, the Ukrainians got that worthless.

              Quote: tihonmarine
              according to the scheme "God forbid that we do not want."

              Then "nA you, sorry, that we do not want"
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 2 November 2020 13: 28 New
                0
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Then "nA you, sorry, that we do not want"

                Yes, it sounds more meaningful. Thanks for the tip.
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 1 November 2020 12: 49 New
      +7
      At the same time, there is no data on what are the guarantees that the cartridges for PM transferred to Ukraine are "exploitable", whether their storage period in warehouses has expired.
      Since the Second World War, some cartridges have even fired, and warehouse storage will be even more efficient (here, unfortunately).
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 1 November 2020 12: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.

      "Freedom", "Equality" and "Brotherhood",
      It clearly smells like communism winked
    6. Clear
      Clear 1 November 2020 13: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: sergo1914
      Just some kind of brotherhood of peoples. An Estonian and a Ukrainian are brothers forever.

      Such "fraternal" gifts, during the period of military conflicts, smells like a mass grave negative
    7. frruc
      frruc 1 November 2020 13: 56 New
      -1
      Yes, brothers in punitive operations and executions of civilians in the occupied territories during the Second World War.

      "The fact that Estonia helped Ukraine with ammunition is reported by the Estonian TV and Radio Company EER ......"
      Let the maydanutyes shoot ... ri
    8. halpat
      halpat 1 November 2020 14: 09 New
      0
      2400 rounds !!! wah wah wah
      28 boxes, if you count on "sports" ... for 2-3 months of IPSC training for one person.
      truncated! 404 will now win everyone.
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        1. halpat
          halpat 1 November 2020 17: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: Ivan Ivanov_6
          Did you actually read that article, Hero? Or immediately rushed to denounce * skakuas *? 2400 PM !!!, and the number of cartridges is not disclosed !!! And who let you out of the vocational school?

          laughing
          YOU were released from the vocational school, dear :)) if you poke on the move.
          I read it wrong, yes.
          but 404 and 2400 PM will not help :)) unless the tseurops will get ahead of the gopstop after the gift :))
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan Ivanov_6
          2400 PM !!!, and the number of cartridges is not disclosed !!!

          Lots of. Union army warehouses remained on the territory of Estonia.
        3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 23: 44 New
          0
          ... And who let you out of the vocational school?

          He was not released, but expelled.
      2. sgapich
        sgapich 1 November 2020 16: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        2400 rounds !!! wah wah wah
        28 boxes, if you count on "sports" ... for 2-3 months of IPSC training for one person.
        truncated! 404 will now win everyone.

        You probably misread the text:
        The Republic of Estonia decided to give Ukraine about 2,4 thousand pistols Makarov, which have already been removed from service.

        Wherein:
        The amount of the transferred ammunition was not disclosed.
        hi
      3. minus
        minus 1 November 2020 18: 37 New
        +1
        Pistols 2400 !!! The second time I correct, now you))) The number of cartridges is not indicated))))
  2. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 1 November 2020 12: 40 New
    10
    Poor Outskirts. The Balts are already sending "help" to her. Have sunk ....... Disgrace,
    1. Clear
      Clear 1 November 2020 13: 03 New
      10
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Poor Outskirts ... Have sunk ....... Shame,

      Or rather, they jumped.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 1 November 2020 22: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      The Balts are already sending "help" to her. Have sunk ....... Disgrace,

      I do not agree, for a Ukrainian "freebie" is a peremog.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 2 November 2020 11: 10 New
        +1
        I agree .. I somehow didn't think of it right away)
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 2 November 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        Yes, they always have a peremoga, even if they give junk or B / Y.
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 November 2020 12: 42 New
    +8
    Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled

    Ukraine to be recycled?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 November 2020 13: 10 New
      10
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled

      Ukraine to be recycled?

      So they themselves, voluntarily, galloped towards the disposal, immediately after the Maidan.
      1. Clear
        Clear 1 November 2020 13: 12 New
        +8
        Quote: Terenin
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled

        Ukraine to be recycled?

        So they themselves, voluntarily, galloped towards the disposal, immediately after the Maidan.

        Judging by the latest speeches of Zelensky, the first thing that they politically disposed of for themselves was brains.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 November 2020 13: 21 New
      10
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Ukraine to be recycled?

      Please tell us in detail what will change for the better in your personal life if there is no Ukraine?
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 1 November 2020 13: 44 New
        +2
        I am so against the Natsiks and Skakuas, who have captured Ukraine. In this form, we do not need Ukraine at our borders: let the Ukrainian people decide if it has a chance to exist.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 November 2020 13: 53 New
          12
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
          A hostile country on our borders will disappear.

          Let's say, but then another hostile one will appear, Poland, as well as Romania and Bulgaria are also hostile.
          In general, I asked about how personal life will change, and not about border enemies.
          1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
            Nikolay Ivanov_5 1 November 2020 14: 03 New
            0
            Why are you so defending and trying to defend Ukraine ???
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 November 2020 14: 08 New
              11
              Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
              Why are you so defending and trying to defend Ukraine ???

              When and where did I do it? And you probably do not know how to read, and even more so to comprehend what is written. I asked a question, and you are covering some garbage. fool
              1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                Nikolay Ivanov_5 1 November 2020 14: 14 New
                0
                Well, with a slow-witted mind, as you are, there is definitely nothing and nothing to correspond with. Go on your way further. fool fool fool
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 1 November 2020 14: 23 New
                  14
                  Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                  Well, with a slow-wittedness as you, there is definitely nothing to correspond. Go on your way further.

                  You have some kind of strange, not quite adequate behavior, you get into a conversation, then write nonsense from a set of words, then get angry at your own stupidity.
                  Dear, are you all right? laughing
                  1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                    Nikolay Ivanov_5 1 November 2020 14: 30 New
                    +1
                    At the western borders of Russia they are building a cordon of hostile countries, and you still don’t understand that all this will only worsen our lives in the end. Videos of dumb Americans were just not enough.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 1 November 2020 14: 39 New
                      12
                      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                      At the western borders of Russia they are building a cordon of hostile countries, and you still don’t understand that all this will only worsen our lives in the end.

                      So I'm trying to find out from you how the factors listed by you will affect your personal life?
                      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
                        Nikolay Ivanov_5 1 November 2020 14: 49 New
                        +1
                        To a change in trade routes bypassing the cordon, to the loss of close markets of our neighbors, which entail the loss of our business and a decrease in tax revenues to the country's budget.
                      2. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 1 November 2020 15: 07 New
                        14
                        Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
                        To a change in trade routes bypassing the cordon, to the loss of close markets of our neighbors, which entail the loss of our business and a decrease in tax revenues to the country's budget.

                        Oh Lord, why do you deprive people of reason? I asked about your privacy changes!
                        But you continue to talk nonsense about some kind of cordons, detours to some kind of neighbors.
                        Colleague, you really have something wrong with causal relationships, the adequacy of the perception of the world around you and, as a result, delusional disorders.
                        Throw out of your mind the ideas of a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity that visit you, and most importantly, stop watching TV.
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  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 1 November 2020 14: 17 New
    +4
    We all have a sling cutter ,, has changed for the better ,,. And most importantly, they did not put pots on their heads, they did not demolish monuments to the commanders, they did not betray the memory of their fathers and grandfathers, not my dirty master's toilet bowls. This is the MAIN thing.
  • zontov79
    zontov79 1 November 2020 12: 49 New
    -10 qualifying.
    Well done, of course, you can see the concern! Just like in our country they take care of us, the president introduced amendments to the state fool about life-long senatorship, and earlier said that one should not pay attention to the dollar exchange rate, the main thing is that the exchange rate is stable. And also everyone who gets more monthly salary is the middle class.
    1. frruc
      frruc 1 November 2020 14: 01 New
      +1
      The comment is off-topic, however.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 12: 49 New
    +1
    .120-mm smoke mines for anti-tank grenade launchers "Karl Gustav" Swedish production

    Is CrG 120 mm? Not 84?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 November 2020 13: 11 New
      +1
      Absolutely.

      Granatgevär m / 48 Carl Gustaf.
      Weight, kg 8,5 (9 with bipod)
      Length, mm 1065 mm
      Crew (calculation), people Two soldiers (shooter and loader), but 1 operator can be used for one shot.
      Caliber, 84 mm
      Rate of fire
      rounds / min 4-5
      Sighting range, m
      150 m against tanks
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 November 2020 13: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Is CrG 120 mm? Not 84?

      Poorly constructed phrase. Destroyed grenades for a grenade launcher and 120-mm smoke mines
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 1 November 2020 14: 58 New
        -3
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Is CrG 120 mm? Not 84?

        Poorly constructed phrase. Destroyed grenades for a grenade launcher and 120-mm smoke mines

        Under the name "Karl Gustav" the Swedes had a recoilless gun during the XI years ...
        A good article on this grenade launcher found...

        https://topwar.ru/80867-privet-karl-poznakomimsya-poblizhe.html
        About BO "Karl Gustav"
        The US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) recently ordered several thousand additional rounds for the 84mm Carl Gustav portable recoilless gun it has been using for more than two decades.

        https://topwar.ru/58170-karl-gustav-zavoevyvaet-ameriku.html
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 November 2020 15: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Under the name "Karl Gustav" the Swedes had a recoilless gun during the XI years ...

          This is the same. For in fact, the KG is not a grenade launcher, but a recoilless rifled gun
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 1 November 2020 12: 54 New
    +1
    laughing Come on, it's free. Just have not yet had time to calculate how much it will be in euros.
  • prior
    prior 1 November 2020 12: 56 New
    +4
    The Ukrainians survived,
    neither in kisheni nor in shirintsi ...
    Suicide and then there is nothing.
    1. Clear
      Clear 1 November 2020 13: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: prior
      The Ukrainians survived,
      neither in kisheni nor in shirintsi ...
      Suicide and then there is nothing.

      Father is in the cosmos *, and I am ni What shit?
  • Avior
    Avior 1 November 2020 13: 16 New
    +1
    the ability of the "anonymous author" on VO to create an article from scratch is undeniable
    The fact that the cartridges were transferred to Ukraine for free, they wrote on VO and discussed
    It would seem that there is nothing more to write about.
    If it turned out that expired cartridges were transferred, there would be a reason to write.
    But nothing of the kind turned out
    Then what is the article about?
    Sketch on a fan on a Ukrainian theme from scratch?
    1. lucul
      lucul 1 November 2020 13: 21 New
      -4
      But nothing of the kind turned out
      Then what is the article about?
      Sketch on a fan on a Ukrainian theme from scratch?

      If you don't like it, don't read it. What's wrong ?
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 1 November 2020 13: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      Sketch on a fan on a Ukrainian theme from scratch?

      work like that. All Ukrainian news should be presented in this vein.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 1 November 2020 13: 55 New
      -1
      ... Sketch on a fan on a Ukrainian theme from scratch?

      Pepper is clear. One clarification: there are no 'empty spaces' in this topic for fans. A trouble-free hypozhorn for 6 years already. Look, there were comments about the Maidan and other politota.
  • Tugarin
    Tugarin 1 November 2020 13: 48 New
    19
    Some will go to the black market. Or already gone.
  • iouris
    iouris 1 November 2020 14: 01 New
    +1
    It is very important. Killers will have plenty to shoot from.
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 1 November 2020 14: 18 New
    +1
    The shed was dismantled, they found a bag of cartridges in the corner under old trousers. We decided to solemnly convey.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 1 November 2020 14: 26 New
    +2
    Sprats would help))
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 November 2020 15: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Alien From
      Sprats would help))

      Yes nafig nobody needs them, even for nothing! laughing
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 1 November 2020 16: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      Sprats would help))

      On September 1, 2020, the last fish processing plant in Liepaja was closed ... If you still have the original can of sprat canned food from Liepaja - DO NOT EAT stop - SAVE yes for history !! good When the "Museum of Sprat" is created, transfer the "jar of sprat from Liepaja" to the museum ...
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  • Yves762
    Yves762 1 November 2020 14: 38 New
    0
    Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled

    Like there: "Take it, sorry, that we do not want ..." laughing
  • askort154
    askort154 1 November 2020 14: 42 New
    +1
    Estonia helps Ukraine with pistol cartridges to be recycled


    It turns out it was not in vain that they shouted at the "Maidan" - "the whole world is with us!"
  • JD1979
    JD1979 1 November 2020 15: 13 New
    0
    A common practice is when it is more expensive to dispose of than to donate. Although our Rygorych built a cartridge factory for the Ukrainian brothers)) sells new ones)) Nothing personal, brothers, Russians, just business)) you most importantly support Rygorych further. Maybe someday in his next life he will recognize Crimea, block the European counter-band, and stop demanding oil at domestic prices in any volumes)))
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 November 2020 15: 57 New
      0
      Quote: JD1979
      A common practice is when it is more expensive to dispose of than to donate.

      I once got my first computer like that. The owner was too lazy to shove it into the trash, but I took it away in two trips by myself ... wassat At the very least, I rattled off for three years until I finally died ... But it was not a pity to experiment with him, but at the same time I decided - what, in fact, I want. laughing
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 November 2020 15: 25 New
    +4
    The cartridge plant is in Lugansk, so the Sumerians are sitting on the suction))
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 November 2020 15: 51 New
    +1
    Instead of destroying them, the Estonian military decided to send ammunition to their Ukrainian colleagues, to provide them with a kind of assistance.

    Where a horse with a hoof goes, there is a cancer with a claw. As the "advanced partners" began to vparivat any substandard expired non-brothers, so the shirt went to tear! Straight, a waste dump of some kind of nenki turned out ...
  • nonsense
    nonsense 1 November 2020 16: 03 New
    +3
    smile well, at least not the self-instruction manuals of the Estonian language were sent as help ... humanitarian ...
  • times
    times 1 November 2020 20: 43 New
    16
    What is the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if Estonia helps them? what
  • Gunther
    Gunther 2 November 2020 11: 59 New
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    ... the Republic of Estonia has decided to transfer to Ukraine about 2,4 thousand Makarov pistols, which have already been removed from service, free of charge.

    that way they will crush all the raspberries on the black market, makars will cost 3t.gr. instead of 6 tons hryvnia. laughing