Erdogan in a telephone conversation with Putin told how you can stop the fighting in Karabakh

On the night of October 29, hostilities continued in the zone of the armed conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. At the same time, the Armenian side once again called on the international community to respond to the fact that foreign mercenaries are participating in hostilities on the Azerbaijani side. Earlier it was reported about the presence in the conflict zone of militants transferred from Syria through the Turkish Gaziantep.

The Ministry of Defense of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic declares that it has carried out radio interception, as well as interception and analysis of telephone conversations of the Azerbaijani side. It was noted that these conversations took place, among other things, in those territories from which Armenian units had recently retreated. Based on the analysis of the data, it was concluded that the Azerbaijani Armed Forces "are creating bases of terrorist groups, whose activities can further exacerbate the situation."

The Artsakh Ministry of Defense notes that this leads to danger for the entire region.

Meanwhile, Turkish President Recep Erdogan called the Russian President and suggested that Vladimir Putin "jointly resolve the conflict in the South Caucasus." The press service of the Turkish President noted that Erdogan called on Vladimir Putin to talk with Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, and he himself promised to talk with the head of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev. According to Erdogan, "the time has come for a peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict."

Earlier, the Turkish authorities announced about "red lines" in the Karabakh conflict. Ankara notes that the Armenian troops must leave the territory of Azerbaijan. This is precisely the path to a peaceful settlement of the conflict. Erdogan believes that it was the presence of the Armenian troops in Karabakh that was the main reason for the impossibility of resolving the situation exclusively by peaceful means.

According to Erdogan's statement, which he expressed in a telephone conversation with Putin, if Pashinyan withdraws his troops from the territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan, then the fighting will immediately stop.

Recall that during the ongoing military operation, the Azerbaijani army took control of several dozen settlements in the territories adjacent to the NKR. Among them are the cities of Fizuli, Zangilan, Gubadli (Kubatly) and others.

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[figwam]

if Pashinyan withdraws his troops from the territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan, then the fighting will immediately stop.

Can Erdogan be trusted?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

He started the conflict himself, and now he offers "decide jointly":

Turkish President Recep Erdogan phoned the Russian President and suggested that Vladimir Putin "jointly resolve the conflict in the South Caucasus"

Trust Erdogan?

[Same lech]

Can Erdogan be trusted?

You can ... the Sultan as a woman can always be trusted ... but we must always do things in our own way.

[Shurik70]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

Why not?
Erdogan got into the third conflict without finishing the previous ones.
At least one "quick victory" is very important to him.
So he needs it.
It's another matter whether we need to put pressure on Armenia.
The Armenian leadership does not want to leave those territories. For them, this is political suicide. Let us force them to retreat - then for a hundred years they will remember that "the Russians forced them to abandon their brothers." Do we need it?
By the way, at the expense of Armenia. Calling on other countries to recognize the independence of Karabakh, they themselves did not.

[vVvAD]

Quote: Shurik70

At least one "quick victory" is very important to him.

Why do you think so? He is not a European. And the East is a delicate matter.

[venik]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

You can ... the Sultan as a woman can always be trusted ... smile but you have to do things in your own way.

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Although the eastern proverb says a little differently: "Listen carefully to WHAT a woman has to say .... And do it - VERSAIL!" (Shyutka! Bam-barabia kergudo)

[Ka-52]

He himself unleashed the conflict, and now he proposes to "solve jointly":

Well, in the history of wars "to the bitter end" is not so much. Most of the conflicts were aimed at forcing a stronger negotiating position for themselves. Which ultimately happened. "The winner dictates the conditions" and rarely anyone argues with this axiom.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Ka-52

Well, in the history of wars "to the bitter end" is not so much. Most of the conflicts were aimed at forcing a stronger negotiating position for themselves. Which ultimately happened. "The winner dictates the conditions" and rarely anyone argues with this axiom.

And that, the Kremlin will agree with the state of affairs in which Erdogan imagines himself "winner", and will try to bargain for something for itself?
In this situation, we like it or not, but axiom will have to turn into theorem, least.
Otherwise, it will be a political fiasco of Russia in the South Caucasus, under the dictation of Turkey ...

[Ka-52]

And what, the Kremlin will agree with the state of affairs in which Erdogan considers himself a "winner", and will try to bargain for something for himself?

Of course, I am not responsible for the Kremlin and am not even privy to their intentions)) but certainly the Aliyev-Erdagan couple will speak at the negotiations from a strong position. In my little opinion, the Kremlin will be preoccupied with cutting off their Wishlist and not letting them grab everything they are aiming at.
But I think it's much more complicated. And the framework of the "swing" was long ago stipulated between Ankara and Moscow. Therefore, IMHO Moscow is in no hurry to separate the wrestlers, because it wants a demonstrative flogging of the Seljuks. To certain boundaries of course
And if you continue to go into conspiracy theory, then there is a possibility that Pashinyan himself decided to hand over the inconvenient NKR (at the suggestion of the puppeteer). Preserving it is only a gem for integration into European institutions. Give just like that - their own will not understand. And so "we fought, fought to the death, but Russia did not help and we lost. The Russians are to blame for everything."

[Sergei Sovetkin]

As for the Pashinyan plan, there is a reason, although, I think, he is just a village goof, whom, like our Putin, not to mention Medvedev, local warriors from Karabakh have ruined and are bred for the power of their irresistible army and the weakness of the Azerbaijani one. He came, saw the powerful fortifications, hundreds of tanks and so on. They even shot for him. In fact, it turned out to be the opposite.

[AshPoseidon]

Probably Karabakh will be divided into two controlled territories on the one hand by Armenia, on the other by Azerbaijan. The conflict will be frozen, following the example of Donbass, and a sluggish war will continue.

[Alexander Kopychev]

The question is - where can Pashinyan find the "Polusakhalinsky" count?

[Ka-52]

The question is - where can Pashinyan find the "Polusakhalinsky" count?

as I understand it, he considers himself an equally perspicacious diplomat

[Alexander Kopychev]

Aliyev has not yet solved his strategic task and has connected "heavy artillery". The Sultan, as it were between the lines, recognizes the decision as GDP.

[halpat]

Quote: BDRM 667

Quote: Ka-52

Well, in the history of wars "to the bitter end" is not so much. Most of the conflicts were aimed at forcing a stronger negotiating position for themselves. Which ultimately happened. "The winner dictates the conditions" and rarely anyone argues with this axiom.

And that, the Kremlin will agree with the state of affairs in which Erdogan imagines himself "winner", and will try to bargain for something for itself?
In this situation, we like it or not, but axiom will have to turn into theorem, least.
Otherwise, it will be a political fiasco of Russia in the South Caucasus, under the dictation of Turkey ...

I believe that the Kremlin will agree, pretending that these are internal affairs .... between two independent states.
The Americans will also get in there, also exclusively "on the basis of international law." Organize a military base.
And Russia will have to leave Gyumri, and express deep concern in half with serious concern through legitimate international institutions ... OSCE, PACE, UN ... Lavrov's department can do this.

I wrote (above), read it and almost vomited ... But this is exactly what it goes to, in my unenlightened opinion.

[Sergei Sovetkin]

Everything is correct. Except for the American base in Armenia. They don't need her there for nothing. Hemorrhoids are still.

[halpat]

Quote: Sergei Sovetkin

Everything is correct. Except for the American base in Armenia. They don't need her there for nothing. Hemorrhoids are still.

and I would place there ... an airborne division :)
then I would change the regime in Azerbaijan and go to the Caspian Sea.
And all of Transcaucasia is in your pocket with direct access to Central Asia.
Local oil / gas, pipes under full control.
At the same time, Erdogan will subside on his peninsula and will express in every possible way allied and loyal feelings + a well-functioning network of Turkic NGOs will provide in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan for an undoubtedly just American cause.

well, since Russia does not hum / calves.
or rather hums, but something inarticulate.

[Otshelnik]

By the way ... Bonaparte is in another chamber))

[icant007]

Quote: BDRM 667

He himself unleashed the conflict, and now he proposes to "solve jointly":

Well, in general, the conflict was unleashed by Armenia in the 80s. Or those who are behind the Armenian nationalists.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: icant007

Well, in general, the conflict was unleashed by Armenia in the 80s. Or those who are behind the Armenian nationalists.

This is half-truth. Azerbaijan had the same hand in it. In general, when a husband and wife divorce, both are always to blame.

[icant007]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is half-truth. Azerbaijan had the same hand in it. In general, when a husband and wife divorce, both are always to blame.

Well, Azerbaijan and Armenia can hardly be called a husband and wife)
Although, to a certain extent, Azerbaijan is probably a husband now)


Well, sometimes they had s-ks as friends, or rather in the neighborhood.
And suddenly Armenia became pregnant with Karabakh and said I will give birth, all the more numerous relatives encouraged me in every possible way. "Look, a rich neighbor, you can get something from him."
Azerbaijan was against it, but the child was born and became a bone of contention.
The child was brought up on the mother's side in an atmosphere of hatred for the father.
And the father's relatives said how can you, so that your son is brought up in such an atmosphere, you must return him to yourself and restore your honest name.
And the father told his son - I will take you. Let any of the maternal relatives who wants to live nearby, I will not do them harm. But those who have a stone in their bosom have no place in my house.

This allegory is inspired by the comparison of aleksejkabanets of Azerbaijan and Armenia as husband and wife)

If I offended someone with this comparison, I apologize in advance.

[Alexander Kopychev]

The allegory is quite graceful! Only the "numerous relatives" raise doubts. For me, it's so common to fuck with a trailer.

[icant007]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

The allegory is quite graceful!

Thank you)

[Past the crocodile]

Everyone is to blame, with one amendment - the Turkish special services have been successfully operating in the region since the late 70s. Mutual slaughter is their work.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: BDRM 667

He himself unleashed the conflict, and now he proposes to "solve jointly":

Sometimes you read your comments and think. Are you healthy? Was it Erdogan who started the conflict? Is it his troops fighting in Karabakh?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

I doubt it.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking on Wednesday, October 28, in front of the parliamentary faction of the ruling Justice and Development Party, said: "Russia's attack on the opposition training camp located in the Idlib region indicates a lack of desire for sustainable peace and tranquility there."

Turkey is a real competitor of Russia in the North Caucasus, Libya, Syria ...
He also announced the readiness of the Turkish authorities to conduct a new operation in Syria.

"Threats from Syria towards our country continue. Recently, terrorists who were preparing terrorist attacks on our territory were neutralized ... If the terrorists do not move away from our borders, we will move on to action," Erdogan said, stating that the Turkish army is capable "cleanse Syria of all terrorist organizations"

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: A. Privalov

He also announced the readiness of the Turkish authorities to conduct a new operation in Syria.
Syrian threats against our country continue. Recently, terrorists who were preparing terrorist attacks on our territory were neutralized ... If the terrorists do not move away from our borders, we will move on to action, "Erdogan said, stating that the Turkish army is able to" cleanse Syria of all terrorist organizations

You, Alexander, are casting your shadow over the fence. Erdogan announced his readiness to conduct an operation against your Kurdish friends.

Turkey will take action if the KURDISH FORMATIONS in northern Syria are not withdrawn beyond the line defined by the Turkish-Russian memorandum of October last year, President of the Republic Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned.
"If the terrorists are not withdrawn outside the line defined by the agreements with Turkey, we will move on to action. Ankara reserves the right to take steps at the right time and in the right place," the Turkish president said on Wednesday.

There is also another statement from Erdogan

Turkish President Recep Erdogan, during a telephone conversation with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, said that two thousand Kurdish militants are fighting on the side of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.

[A. Privalov]

Excuse me, Vladimir, but the Kurds are my friends just like yours.

Did you know that the Sevres Peace Treaty between Turkey and the Entente back in 1920 provided for the creation of an independent Kurdistan? This agreement never came into force and was canceled altogether after the signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923. Since then, the Kurds have remained the largest nation without their own statehood. Are you familiar with the Turkish-Kurdish conflict? Are you deeply into this extremely complex topic? If not, then it's just a pity for the time, I'm sorry.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: A. Privalov

Are you deeply into this extremely complex topic?

In my commentary, there are no prerequisites for such a deep analysis of the relations of the Kurds with Turkey, Iraq and Iran.
You have removed from Erdogan's statement what is in bold (KURDISH FORMATIONS). As a result, the meaning of what was said was distorted. The indicated readiness of the Turkish authorities to carry out an operation against the Kurds in Syria in the interests of both Syria and Russia.

my friends are just like yours

Not about you personally. Friends of Israel in opposition to Assad.
I'm sorry if you think I'm annoying you.

[A. Privalov]

Turkey has its own scores with the Kurds. It resists Kurdish separatism wherever it can - on its own territory, on the territory of Syria, and even gets into Iraq. By the way, at one time the USSR, very actively welcomed and supported any "Kurdish people's liberation movement".
"Confronting Assad" is just a figure of speech - a kind of mossy cliché. Yes, Syria and Israel still have a state of war, for so many years, it was possible to make a forshmak from Assad for a long time, but the cowardly but pragmatic Bashar is a hundred times more preferable for Israel than all brave, but completely reckless bandits together.

[icant007]

Quote: Vladimir_6

There is also another statement from Erdogan
Turkish President Recep Erdogan, during a telephone conversation with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, said that two thousand Kurdish militants are fighting on the side of Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.

And here Armenia is inconsistent. The Kurds, at least in the second half of the XNUMXth century, were irreconcilable enemies of the Turkish Armenians. Taking an active part in pogroms and massacres.

[Thrifty]

Sultaneshka believe - do not respect yourself! He annexed a part of the Syrian land, overtook the militants there, now he drove these thugs to the Armenians, and suddenly pretended to be an innocent sheep - he decided to play the "regional peacemaker"!

[NEXUS]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

Would you believe a girl with reduced social responsibility, who has gonorrhea and cloofillin in her purse?

[vVvAD]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

A.1 After the withdrawal of the Armenian Armed Forces, Azerbaijan will declare the NKR troops as Armenian and demand their "withdrawal".
P.2 After that, the Azerbaijani troops will enter the territories populated by Armenians and will act at the discretion of the winner.
P.3 If they do not disband, they will declare the NKR Armed Forces as terrorists on the model of Donbass and will formally end the hostilities, but will start "ATO" with the prospect of complete suppression. Further see item 2.

In short, again a lie. Well, such a perspective.

[iouris]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

Can. He begins to seize the homeless territories of the USSR. And they are all homeless.

[alekseykabanets]

The hyena begins to eat the meat of the fallen lion.

[Lelek]

Quote: figvam

Can Erdogan be trusted?

You can do it in words, but act according to your own understanding. Erdogan has stated more than once that he does not recruit barmaley in Syria and Libya for the war with the NKR, we believe, but we check:

And so at every step and from the podium.

[Same lech]

According to Erdogan, "the time has come for a peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict."

Presumably, the military resources of Azerbaijan are coming to an end, and the military supplies to Turkey are also running out (except for the Syrian militants ... Erdogan has this good in bulk) ... it's time for Pashinyan to launch a counteroffensive ... but the trouble is there is no one to go into battle and not with what ... the equipment of the NKAO army was knocked out ... although in the mountains the war will take on a different character.

[nnm]

Yes, and under Idlib from the CAA, they did not get weak. Apparently, they understand that they will not pull three active fronts either financially or with human resources. So, it's better to take a breather with words about peace and regroup, extinguishing the conflict for a while. And then the CAA will simply go to the border with them.

[Same lech]

So, it's better to take a breather with words about peace and regroup, extinguishing the conflict for a while.

For this, they will now start negotiations on a solution to the conflict ... like I'm cheating on a passer-by who looks like myself ... that's crook.

[Deniska999]

We got it, yes. Turkish proxies, both in Libya and everywhere. The Turkish army does not directly participate anywhere. And a proxy is a consumable, no one will count it.

[nnm]

Don't tell me, don't tell me ... apart from instructors, materiel, funding, all these "proxies", as you put it, have one unpleasant feature - they really don't like it when they start to kill them en masse, and when funding runs out, they have the question immediately arises - why carry chestnuts for Uncle Erdogan under the threat of losing his life, when it is easier to change the place and / and the patron? There are very few ideological fighters there, therefore they will simply either leave, or, in general, begin to negotiate peace with Assad. And it is not known what is worse for Turkey.

[alexmach]

And a proxy is a consumable, no one will count it.

A proxy is not a Turkish army by itself, but it is also a combat cost. They cost time and money, and they are supplied with equipment and weapons ... they are consumables, but by no means free.

[alexmach]

Yes, and under Idlib from the SAA, they did not get weak

And it seems to me this is not at all just like that. And above they shout "what the Kremlin thinks there, what the Kremlin thinks there, concerns, concerns." In the course of the conflict in Karabakh, it is necessary to tighten it to the maximum. Do not allow Azerbaijan, if possible, to win a quick victory, not to lose control over the track. This will already be a small victory. Well, now is the time to hit the Barmaley rear in Idlib. If, against this background, the actions in Libya would have escalated in general, it would have been great, and if it had been for the Greeks and the French ... but these are only dreams so far ... there, among the NATO countries, the United States put things in order along the way.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Presumably, the military resources of Azerbaijan are coming to an end, and the military supplies to Turkey are also running out

What are your so profound conclusions based on?

[Same lech]

What are your so profound conclusions based on?

I haven't made any conclusions yet ... there is little information from both sides about the deployment of troops.
The Lachin corridor has not been taken ... the mountainous regions of the NKAO are still under the control of the NKAO army ... it means that the war may continue, and winter is approaching, which will dictate its conditions. Is the Azerbaijani army ready to move further at the same pace into the NKAO?
The NKAO troops began to slowly adapt to a new type of war.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Lachin corridor not taken ...

Only to him a few kilometers in total ... swoop did not work. Now they will regroup and tackle it thoroughly. And with taking it, you can start negotiations

[Same lech]

Only to him a few kilometers in total ... swoop did not work.

The Armenians also understand this ... so there is a battle of Stalingrad ahead ... wait and see who will take it ... all the same, the Armenians here are fighting for their existence ... a powerful incentive.

[alexmach]

And with taking it, you can start negotiations

What are your so profound conclusions based on?

So it is strange that they already want to start negotiations and do not use the opportunity to get an unconditional military victory. And the capture of this corridor is essentially such a victory. Unless they are counting on the fact that they have already taken him under fire control ...

[iouris]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

We must assume the military resources of Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan seems to be gone. This is Turkey. Let's analyze the resources of Turkey.

[Past the crocodile]

I will support. For at least 4 years, foreign policy has been ruled from Ankara. That is, the A2 pawn decides nothing about the beginning and end of the conflict.

[Polite Moose]

if Pashinyan withdraws his troops from the territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan, then the fighting will immediately stop.

If Pashinyan does this, then he can safely hang on the door of his office a sign "I left for ... I won't be soon."

[Same lech]

then he can safely hang on the door of his office a sign "Left for ... I won't be soon."

I'll correct a little ...
"I went to Soros ... I won't be soon."

[Livonetc]

Soros needs working puppets.
Here is Mishiko, he loved about the same.
And surfaced after a while in another viper.

[Fungus]

It would be nice to cover the Turkish special forces fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh with a powerful blow. As it was in Syria.

[Same lech]

It would be nice to cover the Turkish special forces fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh with a powerful blow. As it was in Syria.

And who will do it? ... our videoconferencing will not fit into this conflict ... Pashinyan has a lot of guts to influence the situation.

[tralflot1832]

Remember what Lukashenka said about Putin, he does not trust anyone! It's very difficult to become friends with him. I know only two of these, but already former ones. You don't think Putin was told how Pashinyan came to power, on what slogans. Here is the answer. now it will turn like a frying pan, it's just a pity for the Armenians, they chose it on their heads.

[Smoked]

So already, Von Pashinyan announced a powerful counterattack, probably going to the Vistula-Oder line.

[Same lech]

Von Pashinyan announced a powerful counterattack, probably going to the Vistula-Oder line

This he can ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Smoked

So already, Von Pashinyan announced a powerful counterattack, probably going to the Vistula-Oder line.

yeah, General Wenck will save Berlin

[Krasnodar]

This noble and courageous deed must be accomplished by the valiant Armenian army!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Fungus

It would be nice to cover the Turkish special forces fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh with a powerful blow. As it was in Syria.

How did you find him there, how much "on the chest" took before the search? Straight and do you have any proof that the Turkish special forces are fighting there? The Azerbaijanis themselves are doing quite well there.

[Stas157]

Quote: Fungus

It would be nice to cover the Turkish special forces with a powerful blow

But what about the pipes? What about a nuclear power plant? And somehow you have to go through the straits. So you hurried with the blows. Rather, it's too late for strikes - too many trump cards were given to Erdogan.

[Fungus]

The station is our trump card. Without our fuel and services, it will not provide electricity to Turkey. We will have to go through the straits. Pipes are so-so trump cards. Strikes if necessary will be.

[Stas157]

Quote: Fungus

Without our fuel and services, it will not provide electricity to Turkey.

It simply won't work without fuel. And who is its owner and sole owner? Who will suffer losses?

It always seemed that any first grader would give an answer to such elementary questions without hesitation. However, the reality is harsher!

[Fungus]

Nobody. It will pay off first.

[Hello from Baku]

Do imperial ambitions make you write heresy from the early morning?

[Otshelnik]

His fever is ... quite white)

[Mytholog]

belong to Azerbaijan

Nagorno Karabakh declared its independence back in 1991.
Around which, in fact, spears are broken.
The second point: here is Erdogan's insolence - not to take it, yes.

[Same lech]

The second point: here is Erdogan's insolence - not to take it, yes.

It is necessary to hang the Order of Insolence on Erdogan for his insolence on his chest ... here the rogue everywhere crawls out of the water dry.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mytholog

Nagorno Karabakh declared its independence back in 1991.
Around which, in fact, spears are broken.
The second point: here is Erdogan's insolence - not to take it, yes.

They "break spears" mainly around the so-called "NKR security belt". And solely because of Armenia's unwillingness to concede in peace negotiations.

[alexmach]

They "break spears" mainly around the so-called "NKR security belt". And solely because of Armenia's unwillingness to concede in peace negotiations.

Will the Azerbaijanis agree to the independence of the NKR at all, especially now when they have a chance to solve everything by force? The demands they are putting forward now, including the return of the NKR to Azerbaijan .. I don’t know, maybe just the reception of the oriental bazaar - ask for more and get what you want. On the other hand, without this security belt, the NKR itself will be very vulnerable, and their relations will remain tense for a long time.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Will the Azerbaijanis agree to the independence of the NKR at all, especially now when they have a chance to solve everything by force?

I'm trying to understand - why do they need this headache? What will they do with "Azerbaijani Karabakh"? How to develop? Who to populate? Yes, a lot of problems ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Mytholog

Nagorno Karabakh declared its independence back in 1991.

yes, only there are 7 more regions of Azerbaijan around it, and in which, at the moment, there are mainly battles. They were not part of the NKR

[Deniso]

another historical cycle in relations with the sultans has closed. the next one began to draw us red lines. The problem of Karabakh is not in the clash of Azeris who are incited to the Armenians, but in those who incite them and now have taken up drawing.

[From Tomsk]

I think they still remember how Turkey helped to resolve the conflict in the Caucasus during the Chechen wars, and provided support to the militants.

[Trojan_wolf]

Trust the old beetle, disrespect yourself.

[Gardamir]

Or maybe we will cry? Won in Syria three times, on the distant approaches the Barmaley won. But the barmaley are now suddenly closer to the borders of Russia, and their best friend of the Kremlin, Erdogan, gave a ride.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gardamir

But the barmaley are now suddenly closer to the borders of Russia, and their best friend of the Kremlin, Erdogan, gave a ride.

This friend created these barmaley and SNA, and also learned and armed.

[tralflot1832]

This is what street revolutions lead to. They changed power with the help of the street, so they got it. What Armenia will do from outside. The experience of other countries does not teach. Because of Nagorno-Karabakh, there will be no third world war!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

This is where street revolutions lead

Created with the help of Soros.

[tralflot1832]

This Hungarian Jew is talented, don't say it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

This Hungarian Jew is talented, don't say it.

International threw, and besides, very rich. Many countries dropped below the plinth.

[tralflot1832]

A big human thanks to him for the Anglic crisis in the 90s, he ordered not pounds but dollars for his salary. Household appliances and rags fell by almost a third then.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Many human thanks to him for the Anglic crisis in the 90s, he ordered not pounds but dollars for his salary.

I remember when it was in Lerwick, the pound sterling fell to $ 1,53.

[tralflot1832]

I also stood in Lerwick MTF Moodzund Leonid Galchenko. Safely burnt and drowned in the Canaries under the name Naydenov. The bucks in the first bank from the right of the pier were changed, if to the city?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

I ordered not pounds but dollars for my salary.

And I, on the contrary, the salary was calculated in dollars, I took them in pounds, and at home transferred the pounds to local Estonian kroons, the fat was 20% with a tail.

[tralflot1832]

It's also not bad, that's what a free economic market means, I was lucky the next year in Hamburg when the US gave Mexico 40 billion in loans, 20 pfenings of navar for every dollar.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

I was lucky the next year in Hamburg, when the US gave Mexico 40 billion in loans, and for every dollar there were 20 pfenings of navar.

Our krone was also tied to the mark, 8 kroons per mark, the dollar naturally floated from 11 to 14 kroons. And when this loan happened, they gave 19 crowns for the dollar. Feel the difference, almost 30 percent. I then moved from a 2-room apartment into a 4-room apartment in a red brick house. The free market helped.

[prior]

Survived.
Erdogan explains to Putin about the "red lines" ...

[Fungus]

This mustachioed Fuhrer threatens not only Putin but also the Americans and the Europeans. In short, the grandfather was out of his mind ...

[Ural resident]

Erdogan is gradually solving his problems. Now he is pressing on the wave of military successes, if the Armenians leave without a fight - great: he will set up his base there and a new war is not far off. I hope Moscow will not agree to this, it would be foolish to agree so easily.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I hope Moscow will not agree to this, it would be foolish to agree so easily.

Moscow is not the main player in this game. But it should not get involved in the conflict, the situation here is different than in Syria.

[rotfuks]

........ The Defense Ministry of Arts..a notes that this leads to danger ......... When I see the word Ar..x in the text, I lose the meaning of what is written. I know Armenia, I know Azeibarjan, I know Nagorno-Karabakh and I can find these territories on the map. But on the maps Ar..x is not indicated. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong cards?

[tihonmarine]

According to Erdogan, "the time has come for a peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict."

The Sultan realized that "the guys from across the river" would not let him enter the South Caucasus.

[Roman070280]

Well, Erdogan opened the open secret.
It is clear that as soon as the Armenian troops leave, the fighting will stop ..
Actually, it was said from the very beginning - either leave, or we will beat you (the Armenians) further ..
So I don't see anything special in this proposal ..
It is clear that it is also more profitable for Azerbaijan if the fighting stops and the Armenians get out of there .. but it is also clear that if they don’t knock down, Azerbaijan will bring matters to its victory ..
So Putin has the opportunity with his advice to Pashinyan to save several tens of thousands of someone's lives (about which he recently worried so much) ..
You look, at least something will be credited to him in the next world ..))

And Erdogan is handsome.
Turkey is no longer some kind of girl with low social benefits. responsibility, tearfully begging to be admitted to the EU, as it was 10 years ago ..
Now it is a country that sets conditions itself to others, and which is reckoned with from Europe and the States to Russia.

[iouris]

Is this an ultimatum?

[Old26]

Quote: figvam

if Pashinyan withdraws his troops from the territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan, then the fighting will immediately stop.

Can Erdogan be trusted?

Well, it's up to Vladimir Vladimirovich to decide. He will have more information ...

Quote: Ash Poseidon

Probably Karabakh will be divided into two controlled territories on the one hand by Armenia, on the other by Azerbaijan. The conflict will be frozen, following the example of Donbass, and a sluggish war will continue.

But this is very unlikely. It was for the liberation of Karabakh that this whole war was fought. And here, for a great life, will they leave half of Karabakh to Armenia? Maybe there should also be a corridor with Armenia?
The maximum that can be is some kind of agreement regarding the residents of Karabakh, about their inviolability and quite possibly some kind of autonomy. But the Azerbaijani side is unlikely to make territorial concessions to the essentially losing side (Armenia)

Quote: Halpat

and I would place there ... an airborne division :)

It's good that you don't have an airborne division. And to maintain the American division on the territory of Armenia - Armenia will be left without pants at all. And don't you think that having learned that Armenia will have an American airborne division on its territory (hypothetically), Aliyev will not go to offer Russia to have a Russian base on the territory of Azerbaijan so that all these dreams will crumble to dust ???

[Radical]

Quote: figvam

if Pashinyan withdraws his troops from the territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan, then the fighting will immediately stop.

Can Erdogan be trusted?

Maybe you will find the answer here
https://vpk-news.ru/articles/59279

[Astra55]

Erdogan called on Vladimir Putin to talk with Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, and he himself promised to talk with the head of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev

Does he think that without his help Putin is not able to talk with the head of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev himself?

[Butchcassidy]

X ... Pъ to him, not influence in the Caucasus.

[Diviz]

Blackmail is blackmail in Africa. Rogue countries ukraine turkey georgia. Neither technology nor intelligence. Bloodsuckers.