Strange choice of chassis: Ukraine showed a prototype of the BMP "Kevlar-E"

Images of a prototype of a new Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicle BMP "Kevlar-E", which is being developed by the private company "Ukrinnmash", have appeared on the Web. I drew attention to the photo "Ukrainian military portal".

As the newspaper writes, the first pictures of the new BMP "Kevlar-E" appeared in 2018. For the vehicle being created, the specialists of a private company took the chassis of the ACS 2S1 "Gvozdika", which in turn was created on the basis of the MT-LB, removed the turret with a 122-mm cannon, made an add-on to increase the troop compartment and installed the BM-3M "Shturm" combat module on this structure. ".

According to the developers, the BMP crew consists of three people: the driver, the vehicle commander and the gunner-operator, the troop compartment can accommodate 6 fighters. Earlier it was reported that the new BMP proposed the installation of Raketka reactive armor elements, which is a light version of Knife reactive armor, which was developed specifically for light armored vehicles, as well as Shershen (Zaslon-L) KAZ.

The Ukrainian media drew attention to the strange choice of chassis from the self-propelled guns "Carnation" for the future BMP, since they are in short supply for the Ukrainian army. This is evidenced by the purchase of used ACS abroad. In 2019, Ukraine acquired MT-LB in Myanmar, where it had previously supplied a set of technical documentation and a production line for assembling the 2S1U chassis.

The restoration of MT-LB production, promised back in 2015, without Russian components at the Kharkov Tractor Plant, remained a promise.

Comments

[times]

"Necessity for invention is cunning" ©

[gurzuf]

There is still - fresh food, but pushing hard

[Real Pilot]

MTLB is good as a tractor, as an auxiliary vehicle. Even as a base for an SPG is normal.

But for the BMP is rather weak! The armor is bulletproof, the cars themselves are far from new, the alteration is strange and, apparently, "on the knee" ... Plus, new ones cannot make them. It is sad what the "independent Ukrainian" defense industry has reached. And it's a pity to put the guys in these coffins - they are essentially ours, just temporarily duped ...

The BMP-1 will even be better for its own purposes, not to mention the following models - they were specially created for their functionality ... But it seems that everything was sold out or spoiled - now there are severe perversions ...

[aszzz888]

Images of a prototype of a new Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicle BMP "Kevlar-E" appeared on the Web, developed by a private company LLC "Ukrinnmash".

Are they riveting in the garage? And D.U. R. .ki. !!!

[neri73-r]

Another project!

[Azimuth]

Nothing new. They ripped apart the Bulgarian BMP-23.
https://youtu.be/xFzJrTAU7VU

[venik]

Quote: Azimuth

Nothing new. They ripped apart the Bulgarian BMP-23.
https://youtu.be/xFzJrTAU7VU

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Only Bulgarian looks prettier:

and our version of MT-LB -6MB too:

and here the Ukrainian "designers" are getting a little crazy! By the way, they also tried to build a "light tank" from a "motorcycle" ...

True - also "did not go"! Probably in the country there is not enough "mololyg" for all "projects" ....

[pytar]

Nothing new. They ripped apart the Bulgarian BMP-23.

Same buzz, same concept. On BMP "Kevlar-E" raised the ceiling of the troop compartment, thus raising the towers. On the BMP-23 there was a problem with the downward firing angle, since the turret is behind the hull. With the BMP "Kevlar-E" this shortcoming was eliminated. The body of the "Carnation" itself is thicker than that of the BMP1-2, it holds better small-caliber shells.

[rocket757]

They made a good "motorcycle ride" in the USSR! the current jumpers won't be able to do that anymore.

[Insurgent]

Quote: rocket757

They made a good "motorcycle ride" in the USSR!

The Swedes (!!!), for the needs of their army, they buy, wherever they can, MT-LB, from the countries that were previously part of the ATS ...
They put their components and assemblies, and are happy as elephants ...

Pbv 401 on the maneuvers of the Swedish army.

[rocket757]

The car is simple, therefore, reliable.
How many videos show how various experimenters are trying to ruin Soviet technology! Not everyone succeeds in this.

[Blue fox]

The motorcycle league is good for the conditions of wooded and swampy terrain, where passability on soft soils is more important. To maneuver and bypass roads for the control of which will be the main battles. When defending against an attack from above with guided munitions or submunitions, the difference with more protected counterparts is small, as they say, if it arrived, then it flew in. And in the case of a short fight, such as a collision at a crossroads, or a clearing, too. Moreover, MTLB is not intended directly for attack. That the SMK in the Winter War, that the IS-2 in 1944, in the same place on the same road through Summa-Hotinen, were knocked out by the Finns, and let the first pass through the anti-tank Bofors, they put the squeeze on it with land mines, and the second PAK-40 and faust patrons, but the result one, and the Abrams or T-90 at combat distances comfortable for a grenade launcher in such a theater will differ little in survivability from MLTB, only on the first two, when you leave the road, you will not go very far, and even more so, you will not take away the infantry, so valuable in the forest , and the motorcycle rider has a chance to take the landing force through the forest shelled by artillery fire, so that it can then seep through the jungle. And the motorcycle league also floats, which further expands the ability to maneuver in such a theater.

[Cananecat]

You are certainly right, but ... Ukraine is not preparing for large-scale conflicts, and this technique is fully justified for a small-town war in Donbas.

[Konnick]

No weird choices. The best chassis, reliability, maintainability. There is, of course, a little that I would like to improve, for example, to modernize the tractor control, you will be tormented by the inexperience of shifting gears to the comb. "Motalyga" you are my nostalgia. Cross-country ability is better than that of BMP and BMD.

[APASUS]

In 2019, Ukraine acquired MT-LB in Myanmar,

We survived, Ukraine is already buying a chassis in Myanmar, this is an industrial giant under the USSR

[faiver]

Yes, do not care that the former industrial giant, is there really no closer motorcycle league? Well, not counting Russia, although we do not want to take them from conservation they are sold to private individuals.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here, excuse me, either the author did not figure it out in a hurry, or he specifically decided to hyip ...

в 2019 rotsi behind the cordon pribbled to navigate MT-LB. Water hour on the cob 2019 for the future Ukrainian state company "Ukrspetseksport" delivered to Myanmi a set of technical documentation and a line for running 2С1У,

Remember about the comma "you can't execute, pardon?"
So here - if translated, it turns out:
... in 2019, even MT-LB were purchased abroad.
... Simultaneously at the beginning of summer 2019 ...

That is, the fact that the tractor was bought in Myanmar is not said. Simply abroad.
And the rest of the forum users agree - the project is delusional.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That is, the fact that the tractor was bought in Myanmar is not said.

Agree , if MT-LB were purchased in Myanmar, it would look completely mournful ...

А "no name" - "abroad" looks more fun , for the country, or rather the republic of the USSR (I emphasize), where MT-LB were designed and mass-produced by thousands...

Still not dead?

[The leader of the Redskins]

A. Have you already been released? And then I think that my rating has stopped falling. Vaughn, even in four years, earned a second virtual star, although before your ban there was such a "swing" ... Coincidence? I don't think ...
Well, what about KhTZ products. Not in the know, but probably sad.
And what about your labor success in Torez? How many new mines have been opened? Blast furnaces blown out? In general, what can you boast about? Now you are not being strangled by the Bandera regime and you are not sending the lion's share of income to Kiev ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And what about your labor success in Torez? How many new mines have been opened? Blast furnaces blown out?

Domn, in Torez, a little-respected Leader, was not born.
And the situation with mines is not very good, the global decline in coal energy, but our coal is just energy.
And in fact, the situation in the coal and other sectors of the economy of Donbass was laid by the economic policy of the "square" long before the coup in the country. At the moment, we are just reaping the benefits ...
Plus, the WAR, unleashed by those in front of whom you so zealously throw pearls.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Now you are not being strangled by the Bandera regime and you are not sending the lion's share of income to Kiev ...

Now we are forced to spend money from what has not yet been broken by the war, on repelling aggression, patching holes from the destruction inflicted by the Kiev Nazis, on maintaining the social sphere.

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Have you been released yet?

After you fooled the Administrator?

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And then I think that my rating has stopped falling. Vaughn, even in four years, earned a second virtual star, although before your ban there was such a "swing" ... Coincidence? I don't think ...

Don't think at all. Fuse less nonsense about the "rating" and my supposed disadvantages ...

Four years... I have been on the site for a little over 6 months, before that, who or what prevented me from becoming a "Ukrainian with a stripe"?

[The leader of the Redskins]

You know, I google it especially for you - the plant lives!
It even produces tractors. But he is now private and there is no military line in his products. So here you have both a balm for your soul and a knife in your heart - it has not died yet ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

has not died yet ...

And the stench on the other side, from what?
From these?

[Cat]

The main thing is not to stop. Each village has its own project, taking into account the peculiarities of the local tire fitting

[figwam]

Quote: Gato

Each village has its own project

Hurry up to the farm.

[Cat]

No, the farms are busy designing a Ukrainian corvette, since there are no tire shops there, but there are puddles.

[K-50]

Ukrainian media drew attention to the strange choice of chassis from the self-propelled guns "Carnation" for the future BMP

ACS "Carnation", in turn, was based on the chassis of the PT-76 tank.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: K-50

ACS "Carnation", in turn, was based on the chassis of the PT-76 tank.

For the ACS, its own corps was created. The chassis is based on the MTL-B chassis. From PT-76 only similar rollers with the same size, only different hubs.

[Ded_Mazay]

So, what is the meaning of this product?

[serg.shishkov2015]

Show that they still have a military-industrial complex, * scare * Russia ,,, in general, in the actions of this country, I have not been looking for meaning for a long time ,,,

[Crimean partisan 1974]

generally in the actions of this country ....... the country of Ukraine has already sunk into oblivion. except that de juroesche is glimmering and then only in the kiwiv, and de facto, by definition, the country does not fit any parameter. and this is with regards to the military-industrial complex, it simply does not exist, only roadside service stations remained

[faiver]

Well, after they sold their reserves, the army still needs to be provided with something, well, the budget also needs to be cut ...

[Shiden]

Andrey, I want to ask you in Russia, the budget is also sawing for new weapons, or this applies only to other countries. And then you read the comments and such a feeling arises all over the world they are sawing the budget, but in Russia they do not, I just want to rejoice that at least one country won corruption.

[faiver]

I just want to rejoice that at least one country won corruption.

-
Vitaly, in Russia, the budget is sawed, as elsewhere, but the concept of cutting the budget includes not only corruption schemes, but also ineffective spending

[Shiden]

Andrew, you do not run around please, but I want to say as it is all the comments boil down to one after reading the article, no one even paid attention to its meaning. You just need to read carefully, and not look like "Bull on a red rag" and write deliberate comments.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

So, what is the meaning of this product?

And what to take Rostov and go to the Urals?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

So, what is the meaning of this product? ....... in tanga, you don't even have to ask .... tanga will be taken away from offshores, no one will be prosecuted for it, as this has already happened many times. In principle, the tendency has already been legalized for 6 years already ... as it was just now, they decided to capitalize about a hundred T-72s in Lviv, the money was allocated (or maybe not), but the capital consisted only in painting tanks, and then not all .. even the stoned military juntas themselves abandoned them

[Ded_Mazay]

In Ukraine, at present, it is not even necessary to do something to steal something ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it’s not even necessary to do something, ..... but here you’re wrong ..... what to steal for credit, you need to get connections in the prosecutor’s office, in the deputy corps, that is, to swell dashingly in the baths straining the liver, well, and then beg for tanga for that something mediocre and unnecessary and the main thing is to hide it later in the offshore, and you also need to know where this same offshore will be more reliable ....... this does not require hefty strength and patience ... so you have to do it with anguish

[Cowbra]

KAZ for matalyga ?. Those. the machine gun breaks through, but the ATGM will not work?

[Cat]

So not every Ukrainian BMP will be able to reach the machine gun, and ATGM - it will fly by itself

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"E" means nonsense? Very similar

[Prisoner]

"I blinded him from what was ..."

[mojohed2012]

Anyone else, but this BMP will be in a single copy. And, if the North Wind blows more ATGMs or something else destructive into the positions of the DPR and LPR, then, I think, such an infantry fighting vehicle, and the tanks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, will be knocked out. It would be better for them to recognize the LDNR as an unrecognized state similar to Transnistria or Karabakh earlier, and to recognize the status quo. And you won't have to buy / lose equipment and people, and, like, Ze kept his promise - he stopped the "war with Russia."

[rotmistr60]

"I blinded you out of what was ..." and they called the new BMP, which it is not yet known whether they will start producing. But what about the "friends of Ukraine", who are very concerned about the fighting efficiency of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, tk. do I expect to fight with Russia with Ukrainian hands? Why don't they throw in their latest developments or is there a problem with that too? Ukraine is slowly beginning to collect stones, which it actively scattered in all directions, especially to the East.

[aszzz888]

rotmistr60 (Gennady)
Today, 09: 57
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"I blinded you out of what was ..." and was named a new BMP, which it is not yet known whether they will start producing. But what about the "friends of Ukraine", who are very concerned about the fighting efficiency of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, tk. do I expect to fight with Russia with Ukrainian hands? Why don't they throw in their latest developments or is there a problem with that too? Ukraine is slowly beginning to collect stones, which it actively scattered in all directions, especially to the East.

With a huge tear! Can blow your back for good.

[ANB]

MTLB is a good car. We drove her for lingonberries. Goes everywhere. And even swims. Well, he eats a lot only diesel fuel.

[Ros 56]

Let forces and means go down the drain, we have something that.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Ukrainian media drew attention to the strange choice of chassis from the self-propelled guns "Carnation" for the future BMP, since they are in short supply for the Ukrainian army. This is evidenced by the purchase of used ACS abroad.

Deficiency? What's wrong with the Okrainsk media ...?
After the collapse of the USSR, the MT-LB production base remained on the territory of Ukraine. On the chassis of this machine, the Kharkov Tractor Plant has developed and produced a civil all-terrain vehicle KhTZ-3N.
http://xtz.b-i.com.ua/product.html?pid=75121

It is just logical for Ukraine to develop this chassis.

[Avior]

So it is, they use the MTLB base.

[Growlers]

There is no one to let it out, and there is nothing. The armor is purchased from such metallurgical "giants" as Poland and Finland ...............

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Growlers

The armor is purchased from such metallurgical "giants" as Poland and Finland ...............

There is nothing secret or particularly complicated in the production of armor steel. Under the USSR, metallurgical giants were built, aimed at producing large volumes of rolled armor steel.
For the current volume of production of armored vehicles by Ukraine, it is still possible to transfer converters to the production of armor steel, but the rolling mill is no longer there, the changeover is worth that volume. It is more profitable to buy ready-made armor rental.
And the DMZ "fell off" from the "zapadentsev".

[Growlers]

And what does the DMZ have to do with it? Armored steel was rolled, hulls were made at the Ilyich Combine in Mariupol. The production was successfully ditched, although he remained in the Ukrainian zone. However, the scandal in Ukraine was quietly hushed up as part of the so-called "European" armor turned out to be ... contraband Russian ... And if the DMZ produced alloy steel, then for the teeth of excavators and other earthmoving equipment

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

http://xtz.b-i.com.ua/product.html?pid=75121

Link - " information updated 2009-09-11 11:04:00 "

Therefore, your question is - "What's wrong with the Okrainsk media ...?", it is necessary to address the economy of the outskirts, ditched "for hours of independence", and not to journalists.

The media may want to write something else, but there is a limit to lies, even for ukroSMI ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Insurgent

Therefore, your question - "What's wrong with the Outskirts media ...?" Should be addressed to the Outskirts' economy, ditched "for hours of independence", and not to journalists.

Yes, let everything be fine with them, the main thing is that we would be great!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Yes, let everything be fine with them, the main thing is that we would be great!

This is your position, but to us in the DPR, why wish the Bandera members well?

In assessing the relations between the Outskirts, DPR and LPR, do not forget that there is a war ...

[Avior]

The project of a private company, which, among other things, also produces spare parts for military equipment.
I don't think there is a chance that it will be adopted.

[Growlers]

They are not the first to create BMP based on MTLB or self-propelled guns. Bulgarians have already done this option for a long time. The question is different, it's just another version of "cutting" the budget, nothing more.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: rocket757

They made a good "motorcycle ride" in the USSR!

The Swedes (!!!), for the needs of their army, they buy, wherever they can, MT-LB, from the countries that were previously part of the ATS ...
They put their components and assemblies, and are happy as elephants ...

Pbv 401 on the maneuvers of the Swedish army.

The Swedes bought not only the MT-LB, but they simply fell in love with it more, for its high cross-country ability and low operating cost.

[tank-master]

I read the article with pleasure.
But you can not discuss it ... in Ukraine, there will be nothing new, EVERYONE has no personnel.
And all these attempts ... so for pumping out the "attendants" ... if you look at the photo, then the car is reinforced with additional armor .. that the maximum is protection against the automatic 7,62 from 100m.
And the mass is already under 21t. The chassis is overloaded, the water fur sits separately. The development of a new machine is carried out at KhTZ by the same company, but there are the same problems.
So there is nothing to discuss. And most importantly, the "Square" does not have its own engine and never will.

[tank-master]

If my comments are minus, then the site is watched by "pigs" and pass by ... although it is nice to watch how they themselves only destroy everything .... and cannot produce anything. KMDB and Malysheva are already in minuses as well as KhTZ ...

[Romka47]

In short, they screwed the bucephalus tower onto the motorcycle league, added up their values ​​and multiplied by 10

[Yaro Polk]

Like Armata, 7 rollers))

[Viktor Sergeev]

What's so strange? Everything that is done in Ukraine is cutting money, everything is stolen, one copy was painted or even blinded, and then: the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.

[Bat039]

There are a lot of motorcycles in warehouses, that's all the explanation of the choice of chassis. I blinded him from what was

[Azimuth]

Quote: pytar

Nothing new. They ripped apart the Bulgarian BMP-23.

Same buzz, same concept. On BMP "Kevlar-E" raised the ceiling of the troop compartment, thus raising the towers. On the BMP-23 there was a problem with the downward firing angle, since the turret is behind the hull. With the BMP "Kevlar-E" this shortcoming was eliminated. The body of the "Carnation" itself is thicker than that of the BMP1-2, it holds better small-caliber shells.

In my opinion, the Bulgarians used thicker sheets, the standard body of the Gvozdika self-propelled guns, on the contrary, will be weaker than the BMP.
As far as I remember from what I have read, the idea of ​​the original BMP was born after the Bulgarians did not suit the BMP-1 during operation and assess its combat qualities, if I am not mistaken, they created their prototype with an automatic 23mm small-caliber cannon even before the BMP-2 with 30mm appeared cannon. This shows that the Bulgarians also had their own military school, and they did not trail with a dull satellite in the tail of the USSR.

[cat Rusich]

In Ukraine take ACS "Carnation" - make BMP "Kevlar-E" ... Then they will take the BMP-1, BMP-2 - make an ACS ...

[tolmachiev51]

Another "Azovets" !!!

[seller trucks]

Like a classic: "if you don't want to be with your host, don't torture me"

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's all ridiculous. In this reservation country, taxes cannot be collected. And there they are constructing military equipment .. Better to clean the latrines. They do it better.