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Where does betrayal begin?

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Perhaps the text will turn out to be somewhat scattered, but by the very end, we promise, everything will be clear. To begin with, I was approached by my old comrade in games from "Wargaming", who is also a cool modeler. And sent photos.











To be honest, I was shocked. I can understand everything, probably, I have seen a lot after all, I saw different things in assortment. But what is here does not fit into my head at all.

This, sorry, Volgograd. This is a diorama museum. A museum in a hero city, a city of military glory.

It is very difficult to say how to relate to the fact that Soviet equipment is painted in "Dunkelgrau", the color in which the equipment was painted in the Wehrmacht.

Somewhere out there, in hell, thunderous applause and shouts are heard: "Gut, russishe, zer gut!"

You can understand if this is Malaya Privalovka. Where there is no normal hardware store, no specialists, no budget, nothing. Where they chipped in and painted what they were.

This is Volgograd. Former Stalingrad.

And Stalingrad is still mentioned in textbooks stories Worldwide. In Stalingrad, such disgustingness would hardly have been tolerated.

You can explain anything, how you want to justify the actions of the museum administration, but there is a blatant disregard for their work.

Dementyev Alexey Vladimirovich - director of the museum-reserve.

Ivanyuk Sergey Alexandrovich - Deputy Director for Science, Museum and Educational Activities.

Alekhin Andrey Mikhailovich - Deputy Director for Maintenance.

Undoubtedly, these are the most worthy, cultured and educated people. Those who love their work, respect the history of the Great Patriotic War, exemplary citizens.

But the Soviet technique in the museum they run is painted in the color of the German fascist troops.

Of course, one could say that this tank, armored car and "Katyusha" symbolize those captured by the Germans and everything else, but ... there are Soviet cars next to them, painted in the correct color.

It's a shame.

This is an all-Russian disgrace performed by incompetent and indifferent people. After all, if these people do not know what color to paint what technique (God, there are only TWO, Andrey Vladimirovich, TWO !!!), what are they doing in this museum?

As far as I understand, they really don't know. Great specialists of our time. And we are surprised. And we are surprised that in the city of Volgograd everything suits everyone. City administration, district administration, military historical societies ...

Only the modelers, whose community in Volgograd is very strong, were outraged. We found in our ranks a man who has a journalist friend. We took a photo. They gave their assessment of what is happening. The estimate is unprintable, but very vital.

But the main thing is that in a city like Volgograd, everyone is silent and pretends that this is how it should be.

Many will say: what is it, every year this happens on posters ... And they will be right. On the posters, there really is an absolute chaos, and throughout the country. And Volgograd also found itself in the center of scandals related to the placement of what may now fall under the rehabilitation of fascism.





Where does betrayal begin?

I really want to convey this idea: rewriting history does not have to be the same as in Ukraine. Where for some 10-15 years the followers of the unfinished Bandera have raised their heads.






We condemn and angrily criticize the Ukrainian fanatics of fascism. And we do this quite fairly and deliberately, we prohibit the demonstration of the symbols of fascism, but ...

But we ourselves gently, without shouting "Sieg Heil", also allow us to rewrite history. Paint Tanks in the opponent's color, for example.

Few?

Here's another example. Not Volgograd anymore. Voronezh. The pictures are night, but I just took my own, I took them recently. Here is also a diorama museum. Near it, there is also equipment from different years, not only from the times of the Great Patriotic War.


Does nothing bother you?

Personally, I am confused by the lack of red stars on the cars. There is none of them. So modestly sketched. I don’t know by whose direction, I don’t know who performed, but the stars were sketched for a long time and did not appear again. Probably, the museum has no money for a liter can of paint of the corresponding color. Where will 100 rubles for paint come from in the budget of the museum of the city of one million, right? The crisis in the country ...

Two types of rehabilitation of fascism. The first, Ukrainian, is an open demonstration of everything that was in the photo. In general, a slap in the face of the world community, which has more than once condemned fascism and Nazism and cursed the criminals forever and ever.

We understand, support, approve of this. This is mean.

And yourself? And we ourselves do not act meanly, no. Petty.

Wrong paint? Oh, come on, well, all the experts around? Stars? No, the stars on the towers are the legacy of Stalin's totalitarian regime. As our diplomat Zakharova said there, for whose frankly non-diplomatic statements both Lavrov and Putin apologized not so long ago? ..

"The leaders who destroyed their own people burn in hell twice as bright as those who destroyed the stranger."

That is, Stalinism for many today is worse than Nazism. It is a fact. It's just that many of today's "masters" would be sent to the camps under Stalin at the best. And this ghost dominates many minds and minds.

Therefore, there are no red stars on the memorial tanks. No red flag and red bow. You can get by with the "St. George" ribbon. It is completely incomprehensible as a symbol, it is a remake, but much better than any red symbol.

And now they are shoving her where they can and where they cannot. But this is a separate topic.

And then - depersonalization. Reenactors are prohibited from placing symbols on equipment. Need not. It must be ... It must be. Just.

Therefore, all these representations of reenactors turn into a kind of abstract battle of green and gray soldiers. And green and gray tanks and armored vehicles. No crosses needed. The cross is also the propaganda of fascism.

Although the Germans, the downtrodden and persecuted Germans, who are horrified by the word "Nazism", for some reason quite draw crosses (slightly different from the Wehrmacht ones) on the turrets of tanks. In a country where you can sit down for the propaganda of Nazism.


Depersonalization. Some of our soldiers are fighting with some not ours. Rave, we must fight not with crosses on towers, but with a swastika in our heads... But this must be done cleverly, and in our country they can only impose a fine. As with masks. At least wrap a rag, but so that something dangles on your face.

And therefore, almost no one was surprised by the reversal of the game performed by our RVIO in Borodino, when the Germans defended Moscow from the attacking Soviet soldiers.

“Stalinism is worse than Hitlerism” is scary. Really scary. Because after this, following the abolition of red stars, red flags, and victorious symbols at the BP processions, this is followed by the whitewashing of Nazism. Contrary to the adopted Constitution, contrary to common sense.

Disregard for the past. Despite the fact that "who does not remember the past is not worthy of the future."

And this is how it goes.

Not knowing what and how it was then, today many simply spit on the events of those years. Moreover, the Medinsky and Zakharovs add.

And we will come. To victory. True, the victory will be somewhat different.


I will give one more example from the past of Voronezh. I was in the city, just where the diorama is now, here is such a monument. Peculiar.

In great tension, the soldier broke a swastika on his knee.

There is no monument. Not for a long time. Demolished. Motivation: worthless for a soldier on his knee with a swastika. Although, most likely, they just wanted to build up a tasty piece of land. Today, the monument, most likely, would not have survived either. Why, there is a swastika ... prohibited.


Although what does the pose have to do with it, pray? Here, in the Rostov region, a monument ...


The ongoing carnival of idiocy is simply touching. The swastika was banned - and that's it, everyone became exemplary and understanding citizens. Understanding that Nazism is evil. They covered up wherever possible, handed out fines, wrote victorious reports.

A curtain.

And on the Internet, groups and sites of fans of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine are just like cockroaches. Where Hartman is a hero not broken by a bloody soviet clique. The best of the best. But we will talk about Nazism on the Internet separately.

Everything that happens so quietly with us is no longer even alarming. You begin to understand that these are links in the same chain. Such a beautiful plan.

There will be no veterans in five years. Generally. Absolutely. They'll all go away. The mummers will remain. Reenactors of veterans. We can come to this, and why not, if now at the parades there are some organisms, hung with trinkets at best. At worst, stolen awards.

And His Majesty Indifference protects all this.

Come on ... Just think ... The paint is not the same ... The experts are divorced ... Lovers of red stars on the towers and Stalin. Enough. Not 1937. We have freedom and democracy.

You can equalize everyone. Supporters of the communist regime, supporters of National Socialism. And at the same time "understand and forgive" OUN-UPA (banned in Russia), "forest brothers", Vlasovites, Ukrainian and Tatar collaborators and all of today's neo-Nazism.

And at the same time, you can think about the legitimacy of the annexation of Kaliningrad, the Kuriles, the southern part of Sakhalin. As a result of an unjust war.

Many will say: pumping. Overkill.

No. Not overkill. As alcoholism and crime begin with one glass, so the betrayal of their ancestors in particular and the past of the country as a whole - with a filled star and a banner with the Nazis on May 9.

Everything goes to that.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 1 November 2020 05: 41
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    I have a neighbor in the country, a manager in a printing house, showed these "masterpieces". I looked through it with a professional eye, pointed out the shortcomings, but generally approved! To the question, so on the poster GERMANS !!! ... Imperturbably answered that the German photos are probably of much better quality, and therefore they chose them!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 1 November 2020 05: 57
      29
      I have already laid it out, but I will repeat: here in the neighboring regional center, the cheerful coloring of the IS, also without stars,
      but generally tin ... who needs it?

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      2. aleksey.svalov
        aleksey.svalov 1 November 2020 08: 27
        +4
        I think I even know where this IP is. And they painted it like that 5 years ago. In this regional center, near the railway station, a tractor based on the T-34 was parked.
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 1 November 2020 12: 23
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        Quote: Dead Day
        but generally tin ... who needs it?

        Bondarchuk Jr.would take for the filming of "Inhabited Island"
        Still, we need to figure it out completely: this tendency (distortion of history) comes from above, or on the ground, imbeciles are creative. It seems to me that both those and these ...
        1. Skarpzd
          Skarpzd 2 November 2020 02: 46
          17
          it all starts with "camouflaging" the mausoleum by May 9th. further along the knurled ...
      4. Private89
        Private89 1 November 2020 13: 36
        17
        Wherever capital rules, even human dignity becomes a bargaining chip. What to say about everything Soviet, it scares and frightens the current bourgeoisie, as a symbol of their inevitable defeat.
      5. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 1 November 2020 14: 48
        +1
        The last two are handsome.
      6. Jager
        Jager 1 November 2020 14: 58
        +2
        IS-3 - this is an abandoned square in Egorshino? Was there. Barracks, dirt, dump nearby ... That area left a depressing impression ...
      7. Jager
        Jager 1 November 2020 15: 01
        +5
        As for the T-55 under Khokhloma and Gzhel - I personally like it. On the armor, only a samovar with a bear is missing))
      8. BAI
        BAI 1 November 2020 20: 19
        +1
        These tanks in turquoise paint are always the norm already.
      9. Korsar4
        Korsar4 2 November 2020 08: 49
        +2
        So under matryoshka and gzhel - beyond understanding.
      10. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 4 November 2020 02: 02
        +1
        "IS, also without stars" - what's wrong with IS? My eyesight is not important, but there should not be stars on armored vehicles. And the tanks for "Gzhel" and "Khokhloma" you know where and on whose order.
      11. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 7 November 2020 16: 57
        0
        What can I say. Sawing the budget, assimilating money, under the pretext of popularizing folk art. From the series --- ushanka, balalaika, bear, vodka .....
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 1 November 2020 07: 44
      11
      Quote: ASAD
      and therefore chose them!

      For such "specialists" the main thing is form, not content. The main thing is to look! A kind of amersky approach - make a show out of everything.
      I remember when they were just organizing a memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they set up a cannon on the shore with a barrel pointed towards the bay. The boys and I naturally climbed all over her and talked. Immediately found on the shutter stamps with fascist eagles. There was great bewilderment - why is there a German cannon on OUR memorial ?? !! Then several times we met groups of tourists and the aunt-guide sang like a nightingale how the valiant Soviet soldiers defended the entrance to the bay from the Germans !! In the end, the barrel of the cannon was lowered and buried in the ground, like, we won!
      1. Deck
        Deck 1 November 2020 09: 58
        21
        "War is like war". Since 1969, we have seen this, according to the author's version, "ideological sabotage" on screens. Where are the stars on the SU-85. Who painted over? Where did the main military consultants, Major General N. Nilga and Guards Colonel V. Trofimenko look? Where did the betrayal come from?
        As alcoholism and crime begin with one glass, so the betrayal of their ancestors in particular and the past of the country as a whole - with a filled asterisk and a banner with the Nazis on May 9.


        1. beeper
          beeper 1 November 2020 11: 59
          30
          Deck
          "War is like war". Since 1969 we we see this, according to the author, "ideological sabotage" on the screens. Where are the stars on the SU-100? Who painted over? Where were the top military consultants looking ...?

          hi Well, the author is a journalist, not a tanker (or, at least, the same armored vehicle modeller)! request
          He does not know that on our Soviet armored vehicles only tactical numbers and designations were usually applied, by no means red stars.
          In Soviet times, on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, I also did not see that (on numerous monuments with tanks and self-propelled guns on pedestals, including those located on the territory of military towns), in addition to simple tactical numbers and, quite often depicted on towers, guards signs, would be applied red stars - after all, then there were many living "consultants", veterans of the Great Patriotic War in local leadership, and in the army, who themselves (and not from artistic drawings in the children's "Murzilka" and on propaganda posters) remembered how it really was "in life" .... winked

          But I also quite agree with the authors of the Article that now, when, unlike in Soviet times, the feat of the Soviet people and the Memory of the Great Patriotic War are actively, in a "Hollywood", "human" Western-anti-Soviet " the fifth column "and" is democratically reinterpreted "by the pro-fascist anti-Russian-anti-Russian" world behind the scenes ", red stars on the armor of monuments of the Soviet era are very relevant and will not interfere with additional" visualization "of the historical truth!
          So that, seeing our Soviet stars on the tank, who becomes interested (and by their "cognitive psychology" small children always notice, "delve into the details" and try, by meticulous questions, "to get to the bottom of the matter"! yes ) "the little son of his father asked" what kind of red-star symbols they were, what Great Country? !!
          So that both children and their young parents learn the truth and vividly remember about the Feat (front soldiers and home front workers!) Of their grandfathers-great-grandfathers, grandmothers-great-grandmothers! yes
          1. Deck
            Deck 1 November 2020 12: 50
            -9
            red stars on the armor of monuments of the Soviet era are very relevant and will not interfere with additional "visualization" of the historical truth!


            That is, for the sake of ideological attitudes that are close to you (maybe true), are you ready to rewrite history?

            So that both children and their young parents learn the truth and clearly remember about the Heroic Deed


            Well, we will correct the "truth" a little. Well-meaning, of course. The producers of contemporary "patriotic" films do the same. Well, the manicured nurse in the trench looks like from the salon. And that she should be tired, dirty and ugly? Do you want to denigrate the feat of the victorious people?
            1. beeper
              beeper 1 November 2020 13: 24
              13
              hi Ov-va, Deck, deftly You "distorted" with "rewriting history" - already "hang" on me, from a sore head to a healthy one?! smile
              How does this "blacken" the feat our Soviet victorious nation our Soviet red star on the tower our Soviet tank-monument, in this particular red-star designation you see an alleged "correction of history" ??! what
              When there was our Soviet era, the Memory of our Victory was sacred and was not "rewritten" by anyone, and our Soviet monuments of that war did not need additional designation (although, those guards signs had our Soviet red star and red banner on them!), but now, because of the liberal suppressors and "rewriters, rewriters of recent history" there is such a need to designate the Soviet state ownership of the memorial armor (in contrast to the current Russian state symbols, symbolizing bourgeois "universal human values"!)!

              And yet, Deck, it is not my task to discuss with you the current pro-Hitler ala-"Hollywood" - I don’t tell it (and “varnishing reality"), I, the son-grandson of Soviet Victory Warriors and Home Front Workers, this and similar anti-Soviet "fe... Bondarchukovshchina "(filmed" by patriotic subscription "and for the money of Russian taxpayers from the generous Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation!) I don’t look at all in principle! negative

              You, sincere, have you read my comment carefully, have you understood that you do not suffer from dyslexia, why are you so, "not in a detsky way", "brought in" something ?!
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 2 November 2020 09: 04
              +4
              Quote: Deck
              Well, we will correct the "truth" a little.
              good For better recognition. Truth in quotes here for what? To rule the truth is to distort.
            3. nemez
              nemez 6 November 2020 09: 09
              -1
              Long ago I noticed your anti-Russian essence. At least you are consistent, apparently a Jew.
              1. Deck
                Deck 6 November 2020 10: 53
                0
                And you seem to be nemez. Jawohl? wassat
                P.S. I have an anti-debility entity. By the way, the majority of Russians are normally developed people, but in some places the number of people with obvious deviations in development exceeds the average.
          2. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 08: 30
            +1
            little father's son asked ".. just after another 10 years father, the product of modernity will be something that is not intelligible to bellow or carry scales of a sample of series of the Russia channel.
        2. Igor Kobernik
          Igor Kobernik 1 November 2020 21: 02
          +1
          There are really no stars ... Although this is not SU - 85, but SU - 100 ... At the time of filming the film, SU - 85s simply did not remain in good condition (although, according to V. Kurochkin's story, there really should be SU - 85) .... They removed the SU - 100, there were still enough of them even in service ... A well-known fact ...
        3. BAI
          BAI 1 November 2020 21: 39
          +7
          The film was shot by front-line soldiers, and they knew that there were no stars on the tanks.


      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 1 November 2020 11: 06
        +7
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        For such "specialists" the main thing is form, not content. The main thing is to look!

        Duc, not only we have this, there are also REVERSE examples:
        Pre-election headquarters Donald Trump mistakenly used for poster photos of russian aircraft instead of American, writes the Politico edition.

        On a poster with an appeal "support our troops" depicts several military men with weapons, against their background three fighters are flying. The poster was developed during the election campaign.

        it depicts MiG-29 aircraft and an AK-74 assault rifle, held by one of the soldiers.


        Such is the squiggle yes
        1. nemez
          nemez 6 November 2020 09: 11
          +1
          Alaverdi as they say
        2. your1970
          your1970 6 November 2020 11: 20
          0
          The editorial board of VO has already written an article on the topic of claims for the use of photos to articles - and the amounts there were decent ...
          I would not be surprised if using German a photo - Free, perhaps that's why they stick
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 1 November 2020 11: 49
        +4
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        A kind of amersky approach - make a show out of everything.

        Unfortunately, this is our approach, Russian. The main thing is window dressing. The trouble is that everything is the same.
  2. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 1 November 2020 05: 46
    32
    There are no words, we are ashamed of our history, then we close the mausoleum on May 9 with some kind of structures, then there are no red stars on military vehicles, we are making excuses to whom, who are we afraid of offending, our western partners, who 75 years ago tried to bring us to our knees, not too much is there much honor from the WINNERS to the vanquished ?!
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2020 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Ru_Na
      then there are no red stars on combat vehicles, m
      - you were given a photo above - that there were no stars on our tanks ... the numbers and inscriptions were - but there were no stars, it was not provided for by the charters and instructions
  3. Crowe
    Crowe 1 November 2020 05: 55
    41

    There will be no veterans in five years. Generally. Absolutely. They'll all go away. The mummers will remain. Veterans reenactors. We can get to this point,

    So already. Have reached the mummers.


    As alcoholism and crime begin with one glass, so the betrayal of their ancestors in particular and the past of the country as a whole - with a filled asterisk and a banner with the Nazis on May 9.

    I totally agree. The mausoleum on May 9 with plywood boarded up is the same. A betrayal of the great past.
    1. BAI
      BAI 1 November 2020 21: 49
      +4
      Here's another for the heap - living Cavaliers of the Order of Victory (the last Cavalier (Mihai 1) died in 2017). One is still in small ranks. Well, "marshal" 5 times a hero and the Order of Victory - no words at all.

      1. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2020 11: 25
        -1
        Quote: BAI
        One is still in small ranks. Well, "marshal" 5 times a hero and the Order of Victory - no words at all.
        -you forgot another one of the same ... LI Brezhnev was also illegally awarded the Order of Victory, although during the war he was not even close to the status of a military leader. He was the first to hang himself, and these are his followers ...
  4. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 1 November 2020 06: 03
    11
    I don't think anyone needs to prove that: a) in 1945 there were no girls-designers and Google; b) that the visual agitation of that time was censored and approved by the appropriate authorities - where anyway that did not work; c) that the author, who made a gross mistake at that time, could well go to some Dalstroy to arrange camp agitation, and therefore the masters of the brush treated the matter more responsibly than now.
  5. Van 16
    Van 16 1 November 2020 06: 22
    44
    Very good article, very correct. These are not small things, this is serious. And at the top of the pyramid is the Mausoleum closed on Victory Day.
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 1 November 2020 06: 32
    31
    Oh, how afraid and I.V. Stalin, and a red star. The subconscious mind then gives out on the mountain that these traitors do not have much fun left for long. So they are in a hurry to alter everything, destroy, in the hope that they can carry it and there will be no retribution? EVERYTHING WILL BE AND EVERYONE WILL GET MERIT!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 November 2020 07: 35
      12
      Quote: Egoza
      ...... these traitors don't have much fun left. So they are in a hurry to alter everything, destroy, in the hope that they can carry it and there will be no retribution? EVERYTHING WILL BE AND EVERYONE WILL GET MERIT!
      Hurry!
      1. stalki
        stalki 1 November 2020 08: 34
        +8
        Hurry!
        Yes, I would like to believe it. But in general, you need to steer the situation yourself, educate your children, not as suggested in modern society, but as it should be, humanly. Since the state is unable to preserve history, then it must be done by ourselves. The article inspired me to think, or maybe to act. So I think, if I see something like that, will I pass by? It is already planned to fix it myself. We should, just in case, get some red paint.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 November 2020 09: 06
          10
          ..... paint ....
          in my opinion, first of all is to take pictures. And there, according to the circumstances. After all, besides the paint, there must be a stencil.
          Of course, talk about it. Which is what Roman does. Respect to him
          After all, what is duplicity ---- Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, there are no stars, the Mausoleum is draped ...
          Meanwhile, nobody hides the emblems of RI.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 1 November 2020 12: 17
          +6
          Quote: stalki
          But in general, you need to steer the situation yourself, educate your children, not as suggested in modern society, but as it should be, humanly.

          This means not taking the children to school, transferring to family education. Take Soviet textbooks in the Stalinist primer. To explain that a textbook on social studies is a lie, that a textbook on Orthodox culture is a lie, a little more than completely. You have to teach them mathematics yourself, according to Kiselev, and along the way learn a modern textbook, to pass the OGE, etc. How many people are willing to do this? It takes a lot of time, one family member should not work, but take care of the children.
  7. Magadan
    Magadan 1 November 2020 07: 12
    31
    Eh, guys. Stop looking for errors where there are none. This is the story of the most common sabotage. Which is implicated in fierce hatred for our Motherland.
    What are you surprised at?
    Have you heard about sewer manholes in Moscow with the image of George the Victorious?
    Have you heard that Sberbank got into Soyuzmultfilm and now almost all Soviet cartoons are gradually disappearing, even from YouTube?
    Have you heard of juvenile fascism? Is it when their children are taken away from their parents for poverty, because "children feel bad"? But at the same time stray dogs attack children, maiming and killing children, but everything is fine, everything is fine. children are not in danger
    Have you heard that Ministry of Culture sponsored canadian film in English for screening in Canada? This is such a state support of culture (whose?) Are all norms, it should be

    And the list is endless.

    PS The construction of the EBN Center in Yekaterinburg was still funded by the RF budget. The cost was 8 billion, which is approximately equal to the support of the Russian agricultural industry that year.
    Vote further for a "united" type of "Russia". And not only will you see our tanks in fascist colors
    1. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 2 November 2020 12: 12
      +1
      Nobody votes for her, an administrative resource ...
    2. nemez
      nemez 6 November 2020 09: 17
      0
      I voted against and in our city only one such bastard remained
  8. north 2
    north 2 1 November 2020 07: 31
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    firstly, we must not forget that the Germans did not bring policemen from Germany with them during the Second World War. They
    they were found among the locals in Russia. (I consider the entire territory of the USSR to be the territory of the Red Russian Empire. There was the Rurikovich Empire, there was the Romanov Empire and there was the Red Russian Empire). And the fact that some of the inhabitants of the USSR met the Germans with flowers and went to serve them, it was not because that the communists took away from them or their relatives the factories in
    cities, and land in villages. No, it serves the invaders the so-called fifth column, which Stalin did not manage to calculate and strangle before the war. Well, God forbid, if the enemy would now occupy Russia. So, do you think that the current fifth column, represented by all kinds of Svanids, Gozmans, Gudkovs, Chubais, Ryzhkovs, Demar, Bulk (who are now creeping before the West and are ready to serve the West and hate Russia fiercely) would not have gone to serve the invaders if they, God forbid, would they occupy Russia now? But the current non-communist Russia has not taken away any factories, factories or land from them. On the other hand, it was under Soviet rule that they were nobody and there was no way to call them, but under the current democrats they got factories and plants for free, and in the villages hundreds of thousands of hectares of land, filled TV studios and newspaper offices, and they all hate Russia and spreads before the West. So do not think that the fifth column during the Second World War went to serve the Germans because the Soviet government took something away from them. No, it's such a haters pathology
    Russia and can be cured of it only in the resorts of Magadan and Kolyma.
    Secondly, one should not think that the leaders of this fifth column did not give birth to their own kind, only
    petty local, haters of Russia. From here and discrediting Soviet military equipment in museums, from here and in posters, discrediting veterans and the very Victory of Soviet soldiers in the Second World War.
    In a word, if the headquarters of the fifth column in Moscow achieved that during the May 9 parade there was no
    banners and posters depicting Stalin himself, and Lenin's Mausoleum would be hidden under coca-shields, then getting the units of the fifth column on the ground so that red stars disappear from Soviet tanks, this is quite an easy matter. It's like spitting and rubbing for them!
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 1 November 2020 09: 36
      +8
      So you wrote everything correctly, but let me ask you a question .. Is it the leaders of the fifth column with the Mausoleum company that decorate on a great holiday? "Is there anything wrong with the Philharmonic?"
    2. comradChe
      comradChe 1 November 2020 12: 54
      +3
      I completely agree with you, but with a slight clarification of the surname: not Svanidze (a lot of honor), but svinadze.
  9. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 1 November 2020 07: 31
    15
    The paint is wrong - it's outrageous. And to nail up the Mausoleum every year - not a word about it.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 1 November 2020 10: 43
      14
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The paint is wrong - it's outrageous. And to nail up the Mausoleum every year - not a word about it.

      Speaking of paint. I understand the indignation of modelers and other citizens about the use of paint of a different color, but those who have served in the army for many years know that sometimes they paint with the wrong paint that is supposed to, but with the one that is at hand. And to exchange a barrel of paint from civilians for alcohol was a "sacred cause" for any zampotech or zampotekh even in peacetime in the Soviet Army. As a paradox, those who served in the GSVG probably remember how the Germans paid us with the same German paint, building materials and other goods when it came to barter, including when working in German factories or with other types of assistance within the framework of the German-Soviet friendship. And this was done not because of the greed of the commanders, but due to the fact that in many remote units it simply did not reach on time what they were supposed to receive during the year. In general, of course, our officials got to grips with paint, but it is hard to believe in the ideological sabotage they were planning. Most likely, general illiteracy and stupidity, which characterizes the education of our officials, rather than the malicious intent of narrow-minded people. Already in this matter, they could prove themselves, so that later they would not look stupid and not be a laughing stock for the people.
      And already during the war, equipment was painted with trophy paint, just like captured weapons, ammunition and equipment were used, and no one was steaming from this at that time.
      1. Bryanskiy_Volk
        Bryanskiy_Volk 1 November 2020 14: 33
        +4
        In my opinion, you are right in that Mr. Skomorokhov once again seeks out sabotage and the machinations of the fifth column where they are not. The same "well-wishers" in certain times assisted the NKVD in an active search for traitors, spies and pests.
        “We endlessly curse Comrade Stalin, and, of course, for the cause. And yet I want to ask - who wrote the four million denunciations? Dzerzhinsky? Yezhov? Abakumov with Yagoda?

        Nothing like this. They were written by ordinary Soviet people. Does this mean that the Russians are a nation of informers and informers? In no case. The tendencies of the historical moment simply affected "(S. Dovlatov).
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 08: 39
          0
          Who are we? And for what business?
      2. BAI
        BAI 1 November 2020 21: 53
        +4
        they know that sometimes they paint with the wrong paint that is supposed to, but with the one that is at hand.

        Well, for a museum, can you find a normal paint? What is this?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 2 November 2020 13: 17
          +3
          Quote: BAI
          Well, for a museum, can you find a normal paint? What is this?

          I agree that it looks at the level of idiocy, but for some of our officials, this is a completely normal state.
      3. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2020 11: 44
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        Likely general illiteracy and stupiditywhich characterizes rather education of our officials, than the evil intent of narrow-minded people.
        - well, that's what an interesting situation ...
        Photos of our tanks have already been shown above. in war - NO stars, numbers, designations and inscriptions
        Here are other photos - between which about 10 years of difference





        You are in at least one photo on Soviet technology STARS see ???? !!!
        So the museum workers did not put the stars quite correctly. I will not be surprised if such a color was allowed. Soviet instructions of those times

        Would you apologize for your
        Quote: ccsr
        general illiteracy and stupidity
        perez by museum workers, otherwise it’s somehow not good, to blurt out the labels without understanding ...
        I am ashamed ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 November 2020 12: 07
          0
          Quote: your1970
          Do you see STARS in at least one photo on Soviet equipment ???? !!!
          So the museum workers did not put stars on it quite correctly.

          In fact, I did not write anything about the stars, I only talked about paint, so learn to at least carefully read what people write before you climb with your teachings.
          Quote: your1970
          I will not be surprised - if such a color was allowed by the Soviet instructions of those times

          You will be even more surprised if you carefully read what I wrote about, and where, specifically for the illiterate, I indicated that during the war they used TROPHY paint, just like captured weapons. That is why I again recommend that you carefully read what others write.
          Quote: your1970
          Would you apologize for your
          Quote: ccsr
          general illiteracy and stupidity
          perez by museum workers, otherwise it’s somehow not good, to blurt out the labels without understanding ...

          You do not seem to understand what was being discussed, since these words referred to officials, and not to museum workers. It looks like you haven't learned to adequately perceive other people's texts. As for the officials, they have enough rights and means to consult about all the details of what they are going to unveil before opening any monument or memorial, but often they have no such desire, and this was not noticed by me alone.
          In what way did you drag the museum workers to my texts, it is not clear to me, although some authors drew attention to the discrepancy between the current monuments and the historical models of wartime technology.
          So what should I be ashamed of - can you report sanely?
          1. your1970
            your1970 6 November 2020 12: 56
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            You do not seem to understand what was being discussed, since these words referred to officials, and not to museum workers.
            your words?
            Quote: ccsr
            In general, of course ours got into a mess with paint officials, but little is believed in the ideological sabotage that they conspired. Most likely, general illiteracy and stupidity, which characterizes the education of our officials, rather than the malicious intent of narrow-minded people.

            painted tanks - who?museum workers?or abstract officials ???

            Quote: ccsr
            It looks like you haven't learned to adequately perceive other people's texts.
            -learn more precisely thought then express
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 6 November 2020 13: 28
              0
              Quote: your1970
              painted tanks - who? museum workers? or abstract officials ???

              Painted in general by some workers who have no historical education, since you do not know. But the sketch of the project was presented to the officials by the museum workers, where all the details are described in detail, including the painting of the object. And in the estimate for the costs of any monument or memorial, not only the cost of the necessary materials is indicated, but also the entire range of materials used - if you have an idea of ​​how all this is done. So the officials had to at least clarify the paints that will be used, in accordance with their historical realities - at least this is what LITERATE officials do, so as not to be a laughing stock for the country later.
              Quote: your1970
              -Learn to more accurately express the thought then

              Learn to delve into the material presented, and then there will be no problems in understanding other people's texts.
              1. your1970
                your1970 6 November 2020 14: 07
                0
                exclusively your words
                Quote: ccsr
                And here is a sketch of the project officials represented museum workers, where all the details are described in detail, including object coloring.

                great...
                Quote: ccsr
                So officials should at least clarify those paints that will be used in accordance with their historical realities - at least they do it Literate officials, so as not to be a laughing stock for the country later.
                -It's interesting the girls are dancing ...
                That is, according to your version, exactly officials must know the nuances of the historical - and museum workers do not need this business at all ???? And what about us then the museum workers ???

                The text of the author of the article is quite understandable, but you, in a strong desire to kick the officials, added yourself to complete delirium

                would your text be like this, everything would be great
                Quote: ccsr
                So officials museum workers should at least clarify those paints that will be used, in accordance with their historical realities - at least this is what they do. officials museum workersso as not to be a laughing stock for the country later.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 6 November 2020 19: 05
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  That is, according to your version, it is the officials who are obliged to know the historical nuances - but the museum workers do not need this business at all ????

                  They can invite a military consultant from the same retirees for such a discussion. Do you even know how all this is done, or did you want to scratch your tongue?
                  Quote: your1970
                  The text of the author of the article is quite understandable, but you, in a strong desire to kick the officials, added yourself to complete delirium

                  As long as I see that it comes from you. However, this is apparently the result of modern education - this is how I see it.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 7 November 2020 14: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    However, this is apparently the result of modern education - this is how I see it.

                    Uh-huh ... finished school in 1987 ...
                    Quote: ccsr
                    They can invite a military consultant from the same retirees for such a discussion.
                    - the decision to paint in one color or another is made museum workers... Any other officials - even if they are stupid - can approve the budget for restoration work or not. They should not and cannot know the nuances of color
                    Quote: ccsr
                    They can be a military consultant from the same retirees
                    - level military consultants drawn by most of the comments on the article - these to the ignorant take out and put the red stars on the tanks. Which were not born there, and moreover, it was not provided for by instructions and regulations. Such will draw ...
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 7 November 2020 18: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: your1970
                      - the decision to paint in one color or another is made by the museum workers.

                      And for some reason I thought that the color of the painting of armored vehicles was determined by the GABTU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which became the successor of the GABTU of the Red Army. What do historians have to do with it?
                      Quote: your1970
                      the level of military consultants is drawn by most of the comments to the article - take out and put the red stars on the tanks for these ignorant people.

                      Not everyone thinks so, and most of them are clearly not military people, so temper your accusatory ardor, you are simply ridiculous in your heat.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 7 November 2020 23: 44
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        the color of painting of armored vehicles is determined by the GABTU of the Russian Ministry of Defense,

                        Sure? And in private museums too? And in local history museums of subjects?
                        I can see how the color of the painting in the Zadorozhny museum is determined by the RF Ministry of Defense, yeah .. And I even know the address - where the MO will be sent ...
                        Only 10 museums belong to the diocese of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in all other museums of the country there is no one and there is no one to call. And certainly no one will trust them to determine the color of the paint

                        Quote: ccsr
                        most of them are clearly not military people,
                        - judging by their comments to other articles - the bulk just served at least an urgent ...


                        Quote: ccsr
                        you're just funny in your heat.
                        and you are ridiculous in the heat of accusations of bureaucrats ... All right, in the case, and so, from the bulldozer to accuse ...
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 1 November 2020 07: 36
    18
    What is written in the article is the result of de-sovietisation and de-communization. This process was slow, but it began to move more actively during the presidency of the DAM. They forgot when from all the irons it rushed that Russia would then become itself, itself, when carried out de Stalinization, so with this word, covered up the words de sovietization and de communization. In most of the former republics, this process has already been carried out, Russia and Belarus remained. But it goes like rust ... And these are not only tanks without stars, the cover of the mausoleum on May 9, these are articles on VO, about how the Germans paid money for the occupied territories to the population for food, about the shortage of sausages in the USSR, about the difficulties of traveling abroad, etc., but not only in VO, in many media.Nothing, we will soon find out how A.I. Denikin, not only a wagon of medicines from occupied France sent to the USSR, but also coordinated all offensive operations during the Great Patriotic War. smile
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 1 November 2020 08: 19
      14
      The period of the “reign” of the iPhone is no different from the days of today, regarding de-Sovietization. One bourgeois regime - one bourgeois politics. From fresh - in a village in the Orenburg region on the street named after the legendary division commander V.I. Chapaev erected a monument to his murderer, the Cossack Timofey Sladkov.
      Where is the favorite vertical, forbid and not let go ,, ?? But no, because everything is coordinated with the bourgeois vertical and is beneficial to it. And this bourgeois regime will not calm down, de-Sovietization will continue in one intensity or another ... so as not to break the nut.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 1 November 2020 09: 55
        +9
        And not the point who announced the "de-Stalinization". De-sovietization and de-communization have been quietly going on since perestroika. With the LADY this was officially announced .. You just read the comment carefully.This process was slow, but it began to move more actively during the presidency of the DAM
      2. Kapral Alphych
        Kapral Alphych 2 November 2020 03: 29
        0
        And I always wonder, what about the inhabitants? Do they like this "monument"? Why else hasn't he been gouged and drowned in the river? Whoever you don't go to visit, everyone sighs "that's life under the communists ... Not like now!" And as a matter of fact, there is not a single admirer of this! Where you need to show your civic position, that's it, there is no one! Such a misfortune is everywhere. Therefore, I believe that the expression "people have the power they deserve" is true.
    2. Alexga
      Alexga 1 November 2020 09: 10
      +9
      [Center][/ center This is the Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War. The flag of the USSR has been raised over the Victory Hall since the opening of the Museum and has never been lowered.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 1 November 2020 12: 08
        18
        Quote: AlexGa
        [Center][/ center This is the Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War. The flag of the USSR has been raised over the Victory Hall since the opening of the Museum and has never been lowered.

        I will add a little. This Museum and this Banner in Minsk. Not in Moscow, but in Minsk.
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 1 November 2020 14: 22
          +7
          Yes - yes, of course in Minsk, this is my city, it is not clear why some of my words were cut off. I will add, and all the Parades in Minsk are held near this complex, and the Park is nearby the Victory Park.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 November 2020 10: 45
      +8
      In 2014, a memorial to the victims of the German occupation was erected in the Hungarian capital. It happened in 1944. On this monument, a German eagle from above wants to attack the symbol of Hungary - represented by the archangel Gabriel. Hungary, Hitler's former ally, the Hungarians voluntarily cooperated. And after 70 years, for some reason, the role of a victim was needed? There are inscriptions about the victims in 4 languages ​​--- Russian, German, English, Hebrew.
      Protests were held near the monument, as well as protests from the embassies of Germany, the United States, and Israel.
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 November 2020 11: 02
      +5
      Monuments, like articles, like books and films, are now instruments of information warfare.
      It can be noted that there is such an information war going on with the past of our country, with the past, the legal successor of which is Russia today. Anti-Sovietism and anti-Stalinism comes out in completely unexpected books that I read, for example.
      At the same time, there is no noticeable information war with the present or the past west. ?What is it like?
  11. La Peruse
    La Peruse 1 November 2020 07: 50
    13
    Y-yes ... The red star identification mark appeared on a permanent basis only after the war. Before the war and during it, he was not required and was practically absent on the armored vehicles of the Red Army. The materiel would be taught.
    1. stalki
      stalki 1 November 2020 08: 48
      +6
      Y-yes ... The red star identification mark appeared on a permanent basis only after the war. Before the war and during it, he was not required and was practically absent on the armored vehicles of the Red Army. The materiel would be taught.
      Practically? It is necessary to negotiate. Yes, the star was not obligatory and ubiquitous, but it was. And this is the main thing in this context.
      1. Deck
        Deck 1 November 2020 10: 09
        15
        The soldiers in 1941 did not know this. Before Comrade. Stalin went into battle without stars!
        Traitors according to your version?

        1. La Peruse
          La Peruse 1 November 2020 10: 22
          -3
          And you need to learn some history! All tanks that were used during parades even before the war had images of a red star.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 1 November 2020 17: 33
            0
            And you need to learn some history!

            You too ... before you teach others.




            1. La Peruse
              La Peruse 1 November 2020 23: 25
              -3
              Look carefully at the lower frontal sheet at t 28. (Only in the units of the 1st Moscow Proletarian Division on T-26 and T-28 tanks that participated in parades on Red Square, a red star was applied to the front armor plate covering the transmission)
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 1 November 2020 23: 28
                +3
                These are stars stamped on metal like on a tank under the name Kirov, and no coloring.
                1. La Peruse
                  La Peruse 1 November 2020 23: 30
                  -2
                  T-28 had a stamped star on the roof
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 1 November 2020 23: 34
                    +2
                    And what, you can't wait to run and paint? laughing
                    1. La Peruse
                      La Peruse 1 November 2020 23: 42
                      -2
                      Pencil dash? !!! tongue
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 2 November 2020 00: 03
                        +2
                        Poke your drinking buddies, and I am not your friend or relative.
                      2. La Peruse
                        La Peruse 2 November 2020 01: 09
                        -2
                        Earlier you were more adequate.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 2 November 2020 13: 16
                        0
                        Do you think that familiarity with strangers is adequate?
      2. BAI
        BAI 1 November 2020 22: 00
        +7
        All tanks that were used during parades even before the war had images of a red star.

        there were no stars. Even at the Victory Parade at 45.
    2. stalki
      stalki 1 November 2020 15: 32
      0
      The soldiers in 1941 did not know this. Before Comrade. Stalin went into battle without stars!
      Traitors according to your version?
      No, of course, no need to exaggerate.
  12. Doctor
    Doctor 1 November 2020 11: 00
    +5
    Practically? It is necessary to negotiate. Yes, the star was not obligatory and ubiquitous, but it was. And this is the main thing in this context.

    Mandatory rather on trophies.





    And they did not always have time to draw.



  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 November 2020 09: 11
    +2
    The materiel would be taught.
    then what can you say about the two-headed eagles in the technique on Victory Day.?
    1. La Peruse
      La Peruse 1 November 2020 10: 01
      +5
      What do I say? If I say everything I think about the two-headed eagle, they'll put me in jail, so I'd better not say anything.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 November 2020 10: 02
      +2



      what other eagles? maybe at least watch the video for a start ?! on all technique St. George's colors and a star. plus guards and award emblems. depending on the regalia of the connections. there are no two-headed eagles there. and it cannot be by definition.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 1 November 2020 10: 10
        +3
        what other eagles?

        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 1 November 2020 10: 18
          0
          so what? the emblem of the RVIO or some sort of storage base on historical machines. it is not a symbol or marking of military equipment, but simply an emblem. that's what the star is not painted is bad on the door. and an emblem is just an emblem. statement about yourself and the fact that they took part in the parade. banners are apparently not put to them. all the equipment on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense went and will go only with what is prescribed by orders. and there are no eagles. and the most important thing is not military equipment but exhibits.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 1 November 2020 11: 31
            +2
            so what?
            like this to the authors of the article and answer, this is the exhibit, you think the paint is not the same
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 1 November 2020 11: 37
              +1
              I agree with the author. this is pure stupidity. I have nothing to argue with)
        2. Liss Nikita
          Liss Nikita 1 November 2020 11: 03
          +2
          go with your eagles in the ass, we are talking about something else here, do not litter people's brains.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 1 November 2020 14: 54
            0
            and let me decide what to say and to whom?
      2. Bryanskiy_Volk
        Bryanskiy_Volk 1 November 2020 14: 47
        +7
        Still, admit that this star is NOT THAT at all. But even in this form, and five years ago, I remember, on the same site there was an article with a presentation of a new emblem-star for the RF Armed Forces. And somehow there were no protests about the contradictions of traditions on the part of the site moderators (including R. Skomorokhov) hi
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 1 November 2020 14: 57
          -4
          well, to tell the truth, the style is quite obvious. was the color of the flag one became another. the design has changed accordingly. quite logical. another thing is that I personally would not bother with it. if the old star had stayed, it would not have changed much, as the new one would not have brought anything special.
        2. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 08: 45
          0
          Well, our Air Force often "shine" with red stars ... I approve
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 2 November 2020 13: 27
            +2
            Quote: SARANCHA1976
            Well, our Air Force often "shine" with red stars ... I approve

            This is a cruel necessity, because during the war there were repeated cases of the destruction of Soviet aircraft by our air defense systems or even by our pilots. Hero of the Soviet Union I.I. Lezzhov twice shot down his planes, and each time after analysis his actions were recognized as correct, because he was engaged in long-range reconnaissance and upon his return was attacked by our fighters. But on the battlefield at a distance of 2-3 km, red stars do not play any role - technology is already distinguished through binoculars by its characteristic silhouettes.
  • Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 2 November 2020 10: 29
    -4
    The author is not interested in historical accuracy, but in the amount of communist symbols per square meter. Otherwise, people will not forget that the war was won by the Communist Party and Comrade Stalin personally, and they will begin to think that ordinary people won the war. This cannot be allowed. Therefore, everything should be covered with stars, sickles, hammers, portraits of leaders and red rags. Without this, victory is not victory and joy is not joy.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 2 November 2020 18: 46
      +2
      To listen to you, the peasants gathered together, rubbed them together and went to play the reptiles to the fascists
  • Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 1 November 2020 08: 00
    +1
    The article is correct! We must stop this historical chaos! Disregard for our heroic past, which we should be proud of, and a deliberate (and sometimes unaware) lie, will come back to haunt our descendants in the future ...
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 1 November 2020 08: 04
    +8
    the painted stars on the tanks are the concealment of the symbol ... of the Soviet symbol ... In what modern film about the war have you heard the cries of Ur, For the Motherland, For Stalin ?? I don’t remember that. And these are also symbols, symbols of Victory .. When Napoleon went to Moscow, when Spartacus went to Rome, Hitler to the USSR, Suvorov to .... the name of the commander is a symbol of the army he leads. Has anyone, somewhere heard - Stalin went to Berlin ?? And one should not assume that this is happening now, it first happened at the congress when the Stalin Cult was recognized. How did this become possible when the veterans were young ????
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 November 2020 09: 05
      +7
      How did this become possible when the veterans were young ????
      To justify the veterans, I want to note that Brezhnev in the late 60s wanted to rehabilitate Joseph Vissarionovich, but the so-called creative intelligentsia wrote a joint letter. However, then Stalin was shown normally, just remember the movie "Liberation".
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 1 November 2020 14: 07
        0
        Brezhnev quickly went up the hill after the removal of the "anti-party group" Molotov-Malenkov-Kaganovich in 1957. Brezhnev took an active part in those events on the side of Khrushchev. Yes, and Khrushchev promoted him up since the late 30s-early 40s. Two fellow countrymen of Kursk roots.)
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 November 2020 11: 10
      +1
      ..... how did this become possible .....
      We don't know many details, do we? Maybe over the past 7 years after Stalin's death, the corresponding work was carried out? Some kind of information stuffing?
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 November 2020 15: 02
      +1
      no one is hiding anything. there is even a red star on the banner of the RF Armed Forces


      and the color of the banner is red
  • sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 1 November 2020 08: 07
    14
    What do you want? In the type of patriotic film "Panfilov's 28" they managed to never show Soviet symbols and not use the word "Soviet". Anti-Sovietism is the official policy of the state of the bourgeois and oligarchs
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 November 2020 07: 18
      0
      did you watch it yourself? there is the symbolism of the red army in every frame) literally)
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 1 November 2020 08: 12
    15
    The ongoing carnival of idiocy just touches

    I wouldn't say that. It is the product of painstaking and focused brainwashing. There is the indifference of the performers and the cynicism of the developers of the plan to de-Sovietize the former USSR. If we put together the scattered puzzles of actions and statements of individual "personalities", then a very holistic picture is formed.
    Only in the Russian Federation, not counting the "feats" of de-Sovietization in the rest of the former republics of the USSR:
    One puzzle - mentioned in the article by Zakharova, an employee of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
    Kisilev, an employee of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company "Russia" with monuments to fascist henchmen.
    Medinsky Minister of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation together with Ivanov, the special representative of the President of the Russian Federation, at the opening of the monument to Mannerheim.
    Solzhenitsin in the school curriculum, Svanidze with Pozner on state channels, Dud with Kolyma on YouTube.
    State Duma with its statement "On the Katyn tragedy and its victims" in the 90th.
    The kneeling President of the Russian Federation in the same Katyn and he is against the background of the draped Mausoleum on May 9.
    "Kollenki" in the Bundestag.
    "Products" of the same Ministry of Culture in chernukha "Trotsky", "Zuleikha opens her eyes" (Does the name directly send to Gogolevsky Viy?) And other "Penal battles" and "Admirals".
    A new version with a hedgehog for the film "The Story of a Real Man" with the pilot Alexei Meresiev in the children's Orthodox magazine "Yermolka" and other and other HERESY!
    Are these not links of the same chain? So why be surprised that Soviet technology is starless and painted in the colors of the enemy?
  • icant007
    icant007 1 November 2020 08: 19
    +6
    And I do not understand that at the memorials now they show German equipment in full dress. Sambek heights.



    And when you pass the memorial by car, it is she who is visible.

    Why not do it like on the Victory Field in the Moscow region? German equipment should always be displayed defeated.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 1 November 2020 08: 46
    +7
    Quote: E. Kirillova R. Skomorokhov
    Where does betrayal begin?

    Betrayal begins with the same as devastation - from the head.

    If someone still thinks that we have no ideology, then they are very much mistaken! Museums, exhibitions, exhibits are a manifestation of the ideology that has been imposed on us since the end of the last century, since the beginning of perestroika, the ultimate goal of which is to educate our children so that they themselves would destroy everything that their grandfathers and great-grandfathers created to please the West. ..

    Parties are the bearers of ideologies. The party (EP), which we, with all the nuances, but it was we, brought to the Duma, through the adoption of the Laws, is implementing the ideology of our party, our masters ...

    In order to change the ideology, it is necessary to change the concept within which all ideologies (parties) operate, and therefore it makes no sense to choose from those parties, those ideologies that the current dominant concept of the life of the society provides - they all work towards the ultimate goal of this concept.

    ps
    The third priority of human governance is factual
    "Facts do not exist - there are only interpretations." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

    "It is much more effective to control peoples or individual strata of society, in a certain way, by processing human consciousness with the help of various ideologies, beliefs, sociological doctrines, the media. Some people write into the unconscious, for example, the teachings of Karl Marx, others - Allah Akbar, the third - Christ is risen, the fourth - live brightly, die young. ”And if it is necessary at a certain moment with the help of special methods of activating pre-laid contradictions, such as provocations, contract killings, scandalous articles, cartoons or objectively accompanying mistakes, people are pitted against each other, which from the outside may look like an accident. So, now we are witnessing attempts at a clash between historically established Islam and biblical Christianity, and this despite the fact that people understand that God, the Creator and Almighty, is one for all beings on earth, which is reflected in many world religions. consciousness of people is television, because contrary to popular belief, the media do not so much reflect the objective reality as they program it, forming people's attitudes towards certain events. Now, terrorist acts on such a scale occur only because they are immediately shown on all channels, in fact, the media in this case become information sponsors of terrorists, providing them with billions of dollars in budgets and a huge audience. "
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 November 2020 08: 59
    11
    Memory is a mosaic. consists of various little things. And if you add it wrong, you get the exact opposite.
    But the authors are in vain surprised at the absence of red stars. We live in a country where the state ideology, hatred for everything Soviet. And adoration of everything European. We even have euro renovation.
    So it turns out that the Nazis are European people, and the communists killed millions ...
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 1 November 2020 08: 59
    -3
    vYou can equalize everyone. Supporters of the communist regime, supporters of National Socialism. And at the same time "Understand and forgive" OUN-UPA (banned in Russia), "forest brothers", Vlasovites, Ukrainian and Tatar collaborators and all of today's neo-Nazism.

    And at the same time, you can think about the legitimacy of the annexation of Kaliningrad, the Kuriles, the southern part of Sakhalin. As a result of an unjust war.

    Many will say: pumping. Overkill.

    Indeed, brute force: the same UPA, as the author himself writes, is officially FORBIDDEN, as no one rehabilitated Vlasov.

    If we speak in line with this allegory:
    like alcoholism and crime start with one glass so the betrayal of their ancestors in particular and the past of the country as a whole - from a filled star and a banner with the Nazis on May 9.
    , then it should be noted that the first glass was everyone hasbut alcoholics of all became ONE and the whole society did not drink to drink.

    So here: stupidity, illiteracy, ignorance and betrayal of a few - will not turn into a betrayal of everyone and will never be accepted by the state and people.

    And here is the celebration of Victory in the Patriotic War has already been canceled state-Victory in the OV of 1812. And the main monument to her Heroes, with memorial plaques to those who died, was blown up on her 120th anniversary, as the cemetery in Moscow of Borodino participants who died from wounds and the monument there were destroyed, as the main monuments of our Victory on the field of Borodino, Krasnoye, Maloyaroslavets and so on, etc.

    But the memory of that distant war is still alive and the monuments have been restored. The heroes of the close WWII will be remembered and honored FOREVER.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 November 2020 09: 00
    12
    Young people never heard, and the older generation forgot that even 35 years ago, there were propaganda and agitation departments at party bodies at all levels from the Central Committee of the CPSU to district committees. Their workers don’t put bread for nothing. Among other things, everything, including posters, portraits, slogans and other festive paraphernalia, was carefully checked for compliance with accepted standards. The works were commissioned from trusted artists. Everything, from the order of portraits of members of the government and members of the Central Committee, to artistic vignettes over the entrances to the institutions were firmly approved.
  • prior
    prior 1 November 2020 09: 14
    +3
    After reading, I want to scream:
    Get up a huge country
    Rise to death
    With the Kremlin's dark power
    With the bureaucratic horde.
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 1 November 2020 09: 26
    12
    what
    Regarding the camouflage of armored vehicles adopted by the Red Army in the 30-40s:

    “NIIBT tested various camouflage schemes for wheeled and tracked vehicles. Dated in August 1939, the document provided conclusions on a comparative assessment of 17 wheeled and tracked vehicles, of which 6 had deforming large-spotted color, 6 had small-spotted, and 5 had a conventional protective coating.
    The best camouflage scheme was the large-spotted one. However, it was considered possible to limit the number of colored components to 3 - 4 for use in each group of districts, 2 of which should be mandatory for all districts (except for the Central Asian Military District).
    Dyes began to be considered the main ones: protective dark green (4BO) and dark brown or black (6RP). The rest of the colored components had to be set in place depending on the lightness of the background. According to this indicator, 4 groups of districts were identified:
    Group I - MBO, LVO, BOVO, KalVO, ZakVO, URVO, Siberian Military District (Moscow, Leningrad, Special Belarusian, Kalinin, Transcaucasian, Ural and Siberian districts).
    Group II - KOVO, KhVO, PrivO (Kiev special, Kharkov and Volga military districts).
    Group III - SAVO (Central Asian Military District).
    Group IV - OKA and ZabVO (the Separate Red Banner Army and the Trans-Baikal Military District).
    After testing in the districts, it became clear that 3-4-color camouflage is suitable for groups I and IV, and two-color camouflage is enough for II and III. Schemes were drawn up according to which tanks and other equipment of the Soviet tank forces were to be repainted.
    Camouflage color options, depending on the districts of deployment, included the use of the following colors:
    Group I: protective (4BO), dark brown, light sandy, yellow-brown.
    Group II: green with a shade of aqua, yellow-brown.
    Group III: brown, light sandy.
    Group IV: protective, dark brown.
    In reality, only part of the cars in the border western districts was repainted. And that is not completely according to the proposed schemes. By the beginning of the 40s, Soviet industry had established the production of only three basic shades of paints (in the form of a thick-grated paste, which was diluted with linseed oil in half with gasoline and kerosene): dark green 4BO, dark brown 6K, yellow-earthy 7K. Using the protective green paint 4BO (50% of the surface) as a base color, a two-color or three-color deforming camouflage was applied to the tanks using large brown (6K, 7K) spots of irregular shape (up to 25% of the surface for each shade). In some cases, small-spot camouflage camouflage in the form of small dotted dark brown spots on a protective background was applied on small tanks of the T-37 and T-38 type.
    In winter, the technique was "whitewashed" first with a lime solution, and then with special white paints.
    Immediately before the start of the Great Patriotic War, deforming paint was used on a small part of armored vehicles. Since in 1940 - 41. Since the material part of the armored forces of the Red Army was replaced, due to a lack of paint, it was believed that camouflage would be applied to new vehicles when, according to the state, they completed the mechanized corps. However, at the beginning of hostilities, the tanks arrived only partially, and the personnel in the bulk of this technique had not yet mastered. New cars were painted at manufacturing plants with 4BO protective green paint
    .

    "Tactical and identification marks:
    For successful interaction in various conditions of hostilities, tactical and identification marks were and are applied to armored vehicles.
    Tactical signs in the form of a symbol or a group of numbers, and often in the aggregate of both, in encoded form, carry information about the belonging of a combat vehicle to various formations and units, and also identify the tank or armored car itself, which is necessary when the smallest units interact.
    In order to ensure guaranteed identification of their equipment in any conditions, a general army identification mark is applied to a tank or armored vehicle, as a rule, which is an element of national symbols. In the USSR, such a sign was a red star. However, unlike aviation, it was not used as often in the armored forces of the Red Army.
    To ensure identification from the air, air identification marks were applied on the tank turret or on the ACS wheelhouse. Appearing in the late 30s, they have changed several times over the course of several years, generally representing geometric shapes of white (for summer) and red (for winter) colors, which will be discussed below.
    In addition to tactical and identification marks, signs of collective military valor were applied to armored vehicles, the most prestigious for the Red Army of this period: the emblems of the Guard (the unit or unit was awarded the Guards rank) and the Order of the Red Banner of the Battle (the unit or unit awarded the Order of the Battle Red Banner were called Red Banner ). Despite the abundance of other collective awards, their stylized display on military vehicles was extremely rare ... "


    Tactical identification marks changed several times, in the pre-war period, at the initial stage of the war, from 42-43, from 44-45.

    Regarding the comments of the VO participants, I agree with the statement that mainly tactical designations were applied to armored vehicles in mechanized military formations. But, there were also the application of the symbol "Red Star", moreover, sometimes in white.







    In my opinion, I think that modern youth, regardless of the country (USA, Britain, Geramania, Japan, Russia), are not interested in how the military equipment of past wars looked like, its identification marks and camouflage. Young people began to express themselves more cynically, as it were. if there is no practical value in the information, then they are not interested in it ... negative
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 1 November 2020 09: 52
      +9
      In my opinion, I think that modern youth, regardless of the country (USA, Britain, Geramania, Japan, Russia), are not interested in how the military equipment of past wars looked like, its identification marks and camouflage. Young people began to express themselves more cynically, as it were. if there is no practical value in the information, then they are not interested in it ... negative

      It depends on what kind of youth.
      Those who play World of Tanks will tell you about the tanks of the Second World War, which the designers did not know!
      As well as those that play IL-2 attack aircraft.
      And millions play these games. fellow

      And no wonder, your life in battle depends on the performance characteristics of a combat vehicle!

      Let this life and virtual ... laughing
    2. La Peruse
      La Peruse 1 November 2020 10: 26
      +1
      By the way, the 6K paint color is very similar to the dunkelgrau.
    3. Tavrik
      Tavrik 2 November 2020 13: 06
      +1
      Yes, probably so. But, on the other hand, there are now a lot of young people who are interested in their history. And reenactors and modelers. Someone from WoT comes to books and magazines. There is a lot of information on camouflages and identification marks "everything and everything". At forums and exhibitions, there are heated discussions about how, what and when it was painted. Themed sets of paints for models are produced (Soviet BTT, Soviet aviation of the Second World War, British aviation, etc., etc.). Moreover, paint numbers are immediately indicated according to, for example, the British naval catalog of paints from the times of the war.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 2 November 2020 13: 31
        0
        Quote: Tavrik
        Yes, probably so. But, on the other hand, there are now a lot of young people who are interested in their history. And reenactors and modelers. Someone from WoT comes to books and magazines. There is a lot of information on camouflages and identification marks "everything and everything". At forums and exhibitions, there are heated discussions about how, what and when it was painted. Themed sets of paints for models are produced (Soviet BTT, Soviet aviation of the Second World War, British aviation, etc., etc.). Moreover, paint numbers are immediately indicated according to, for example, the British naval catalog of paints from the times of the war.

        Perhaps, but I think that such a very small percentage of WoT players

        Excerpt from the interview:
        "Wargaming executives on researching player behavior in World of Tanks and other games.
        The heads of Wargaming (creator of World of Tanks) - Vice President Andrey Yarantsev and Director of Research and Data Analysis at the company Sergey Kadomsky - told the editor of the Growth Hacks column about how the analyst team works, what game indicators they track and what techniques are used to incentives for players.


        Tell us about the techniques that you use for stimulation, retention, engagement, and which are based on this segmentation?

        A. Y .: In order to answer this question, let's imagine the audience of "Tanks" in the form of three pyramids. The top of the first is clan wars. Everyone who is driven by the desire to win and lead the army goes here. The second pyramid is esports. Here are those players who look at virtual battles through the prism of earning and self-realization. The third pyramid is random people. They’re just following the fan. I have free time - I will play "Tanks", I will be distracted.

        For each pyramid, there are different methods of stimulation, retention, and engagement. Take esports, for example. We try to motivate players to grow up to real progaming. Over the entire existence of the game, World of Tanks has brought up more than one generation of top tankers. Of course, everything starts small: mini-tournaments, regional competitions and, finally, the international arena. The player (who really cares) goes from backyard esports to the top.

        Likewise with clans: we stimulate those who play in a platoon to start playing in companies, swing and join clans. From small to large. Socialization holds people well, and with the addition of the functionality of fortified areas, the motivation to unite has become even stronger.

        In the random house, everything is decided by mini-games, discounts, promotions, events and contests ("Tankovik" alone is worth something).

        Greatly retains, and in general delivers a lot of fun and perfectly fulfills the information function, all the content created around the game: UGC (user generated content), tens of thousands of user channels on YouTube, radio and groups in social networks.
        "
        09.04.2015/7630/XNUMX https://vc.ru/story/XNUMX-wot-gh
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 1 November 2020 09: 28
    +6
    The cycle of betrayal: anti-Stalinist - anti-Soviet - Russophobe - fascist.
  • Million
    Million 1 November 2020 09: 49
    11
    All the traitors are sitting upstairs now ... They are the reason for everything
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 1 November 2020 09: 55
    +4
    Quote: Ru_Na
    ashamed of our story


    Alas, you are not the first to notice this:

    We are negligent, we are unclean, ignorant and disadvantaged.
    At the bottom of our souls we despise the West
    But from there, in search of the gods, we steal Hegels and Marx,
    To erect on the barbarian Olympus,
    To smoke styraksa and sulfur in their honor and chop off the heads of the native gods ...

    However, why are we surprised and indignant? Demonstration values, ostentatious patriotism are now honored ...
  • Doctor
    Doctor 1 November 2020 09: 56
    +6
    Many will say: pumping. Overkill.

    All the same, I bent a little.
    What colors did not roll across the fields of the Second World War on both sides, and not only colors, fought on enemy vehicles.
    The same Leopard in the photo in the article is painted in the dark green color of the Red Army.

    Although there should be a symbol in the museum, I agree here.
    Especially about the stars.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 1 November 2020 09: 58
    +7
    It is very difficult to say how to relate to the fact that Soviet equipment is painted in "Dunkelgrau", the color in which the equipment was painted in the Wehrmacht.
    Here, of course, it is very difficult not to agree with the author's indignation, here, of course, is an excellent example of the incompetence of officials who are in charge of the equipment samples shown in the photo. But I would like to point out that there is no reason for the author's indignation on another occasion, and he is slightly wrong here.
    Here is also a diorama museum. Near it, there is also equipment from different years, not only from the times of the Great Patriotic War ... Nothing bothers you? Personally, I am confused by the lack of red stars on the cars. They are not here. So modestly sketched.
    I would like to draw the attention of the author that red stars were not always applied to armored vehicles during the Great Patriotic War. Here is a photo for example




  • Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 1 November 2020 10: 18
    18
    We have pro-Nazi sentiments in Nikolaev (Ukraine). There is a place where
    tank T-34. Lenin Avenue is a monument to tank soldiers. Every year, schoolchildren are brought to this place and they talk about the feat of the tankmen of the 2nd Guards Mechanized Corps, who on March 28, under the command of Lieutenant General Sviridov, breaking through the enemy's defenses in the area of ​​Slobodsky streets, went to the southeastern outskirts of Nikolaev. Stars. The symbolic number 283 is stamped on the armored vehicle as a reminder of the day when the city threw off the shackles of the invaders.
    And so that the NAZIKS WINDLESS did not work with him, he STANDS, CITIZENS DO NOT let them do bad things ...
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 1 November 2020 11: 11
    +4
    Quote: prior
    After reading, I want to scream:
    Get up a huge country
    Rise to death
    With the Kremlin's dark power
    With the bureaucratic horde.


    You should, dear friend, be careful with such things ... The hour is not even, under the law on countering extremism you will thunder ... Well, this is you inciting social discord! Hatred towards certain categories of the population - officials! And what is "mortal combat" ??? Are you writing about the revolution ??? And this is already a violent change in the system !!!
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 1 November 2020 11: 24
      13
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      And this is already a violent change in the system !!!

      From the practice of the recent history of the Russian Federation, for the violent overthrow of the constitutional order, Yeltsin centers are usually built. request
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 November 2020 12: 03
    0
    Despite the fact that some Japanese soldiers were recognized as war criminals, convicted and executed, monuments were erected to them in Tokyo, in the Yasukuni Shrine.
    Various countries, including China, South Korea, the USA, Russia, have repeatedly expressed protests in connection with the fact that top officials visit and demonstratively regret, perform respectful rituals.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 November 2020 13: 04
      20
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Despite the fact that some Japanese soldiers were recognized as war criminals, convicted and executed, monuments were erected to them in Tokyo, in the Yasukuni Shrine.

      Ebnu Putin also erected a monument and considers it quite normal.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 November 2020 14: 21
        +2
        When I was now clarifying the name of the Japanese temple, at the same time I got the places where we have erected monuments to Japanese prisoners of war. Namely: in Transbaikalia, in the city of Artyom, Irkutsk, in the city of Gornyak, in Khabarovsk. There were plans for Biysk and Norilsk. After all, there was an International Military Tribunal for the Far East, where there were 11 judges. The crimes of the Japanese during WW2 were proved and recognized. One of the 11 judges was against. The Japanese erected a monument to him. It should all be understood this way --- Japan has done nothing wrong.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 November 2020 14: 25
        0
        ..... also a monument ..........

        There is a decree on the creation of museums by the Presidents of the Russian Federation who have resigned.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 1 November 2020 12: 07
    +2
    And what does the last photo have to do with it - a monument in the Rostov region? Nice monument.
  • tatra
    tatra 1 November 2020 12: 09
    +3
    Unfortunately, there is nothing to be surprised at, during the anti-Soviet Perestroika, the USSR was captured by such fierce enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people as Hitler and the Nazis, and their ideology includes regret that Hitler and the Nazis did not capture the USSR, squealing that Hitler was better than Stalin, justification of crimes Hitler and the Nazis, praising their accomplices from among the citizens of the USSR. And in order to be AGAINST the USSR and the Soviet people, the enemies of the USSR are ready to be FOR anything and anyone. Including, both deceitful and hypocritical - both for those and for what was in Russia before the October Revolution. Here, many recalled the drapery of the Mausoleum, but there is another brazen, demonstrative fact of falsification - contrary to all common sense, the imposition of the Order of St. George of the Russian Empire as a symbol of the USSR Victory.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2020 12: 38
    +6
    And His Majesty Indifference protects all this.
    Here I would not show diplomacy in the manner of ... Zakharova lol , but would directly say that the leadership of the Russian Federation patronizes this (without majesty). sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2020 12: 51
    +6
    Quote: Ru_Na
    There are no words, we are ashamed of our history, then we close the mausoleum on May 9 with some kind of structures, then there are no red stars on military vehicles, we are making excuses to whom, who are we afraid of offending, our western partners, who 75 years ago tried to bring us to our knees, not too much is there much honor from the WINNERS to the vanquished ?!

    This is not bashfulness - it is a thoughtful, refined ... ideology, which supposedly does not exist in the country. And it has a name - anti-Sovietism! sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2020 13: 02
    +2
    Quote: Van 16
    So you wrote everything correctly, but let me ask you a question .. Is it the leaders of the fifth column with the Mausoleum company that decorate on a great holiday? ...
    It is they. sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 1 November 2020 13: 07
    +3
    Quote: parusnik
    What is written in the article is the result of de-sovietisation and de-communization. This process was slow, but it began to move more actively during the presidency of the DAM. They forgot when from all the irons it rushed that Russia would then become itself, itself, when de Stalinization was carried out, so with this word, they covered up the words de sovietization and de communization ...
    He learned this from his senior "comrade". sad
  • Eug
    Eug 1 November 2020 13: 44
    +3
    The technique was most likely painted for some date. It is necessary to report on the "development", but the paint is not that - yes, God be with her, the rollback on the purchase was brought in - and thank God. As for the dislike of the Soviet - the outsiders understand very well their insignificance in comparison with those, and understand what awaited them at that time for their deeds .. whether they can adequately relate to the heroic past is a rhetorical question, the rulers are well aware that the people's war first of all, it will sweep them away ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 1 November 2020 14: 09
    +3
    I read textbooks on the Second World War for schools, published both in the Republic of Belarus and in the Russian Federation, by different authors, but they all received (textbooks in the sense) to teach the younger generation on them ... So, vooot ... compared to a textbook from the times of the USSR there are soooo bloopers and heresy that my hair stood on end !!! am am am
    What can I say about paint, when my niece, when asked who Hitler is, replies that he was the main one among the Germans, who during the Second World War (mind you !!! not during the Second World War !!!) LEADED the Germans and lost to us like Napoleon (now - drink validole and lie down right away) - in the First World War !!! belay belay belay
    And this is the level of knowledge of "an excellent student, a Komsomol member and just a beautiful girl" going to school for a gold medal !!! fool
    When I told my brother how his daughter knew the story, he didn’t believe me at first !!! laughing
    Then he asked his daughter himself ... I was horrified ... I wanted to add a belt to my daughter, but my wife did not allow me ... and began to tell his children the history of the USSR as he still remembered from childhood, when he himself studied at school in Soviet times good
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 3 November 2020 20: 06
      -1
      ... Hitler lost to us like Napoleon. ....
      maybe your niece is not much to blame. I often see the names ---- Great War, First Patriotic War ... ... and others. Why do new ones appear? Unclear.
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 1 November 2020 14: 34
    -1
    Communism and the USSR pissed away, fetishes remained.
  • Devil13
    Devil13 1 November 2020 14: 40
    +1
    There is a song on this topic - "Brest Fortress" - a motor scooter.
    Remember: Our history has been rewritten since 53 years.
    It will continue to be distorted, as every year the mausoleum is shyly hidden and crowed that it is necessary to bury Lenin, while they themselves build centers for the fight-drunk with our tax money. And we will only be disenfranchised slaves of bureaucrats and capitalists, or stupid followers of the puppets of capital, what Pu, what Lyoshka, what else, obediently eating noodles on our ears while they are pumping out our resources.
    In 30 years, there will be no medicine, no education, no space, no resources. If at all - there will be a country, otherwise the Chinese are perfectly buying land from Lake Baikal and to the east.
    And you - you will endure it all. Leave, unable to fight and fearing for yourself and your loved ones, keep silent, pass by. And in the trail you will laugh at the "Russian Ivan", the Russian Schweine.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 1 November 2020 14: 41
    -1
    Alas, the devil is in the details. This is how treason begins.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 1 November 2020 15: 22
    +1
    To be honest, I don’t remember that somewhere on Soviet armored vehicles there were red stars, except for parades, and even then not always. So this point about monuments is somehow not very impressive. But I would like to ask the authors: you here with anguish talk about the absence of stars on monuments, but ignore the absence of stars on modern technology. And for some reason it doesn't bother you that instead of the legendary red star on modern tanks there is some kind of an emblem of an American shopping center cut into three parts. Or is this normal for you?
    And the Nazis on the posters - that's how they gave you an explanation. The Nazis have better photos, and the generation of the Unified State Exam will soon distinguish only the denomination on the banknotes, and then by color.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 1 November 2020 15: 59
    +1
    old comrade on games


    good
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 1 November 2020 17: 21
    +5
    How did the Soviet power differ from the present one and why we do not forget about it. Let's first remember where it came from. During the revolution of 1901-1907, the workers of Ivanovo-Voskresensk decided that to coordinate their life, a Soviet should be elected from among its representatives. The people's memory was restored by the Soviet system 10 years later in 1917. Moreover, there was also a parliament (State Duma), which elected the Government. But by October of that year, it turned out that the parliamentary republic could not withstand competition with the power of the Soviets. Then there was no Bolshevik "coup", as some "well-wishers" are trying to lie to us. In fact, power passed to the Soviets, which elected their own government, the Council of People's Commissars. And there were not representatives of certain parties, but people to whom the people entrusted their future destiny. It was not easy - then they believed not in words, but in deeds.
    Now about the Soviets in the post-war period. The easiest way for me to tell you about what I myself saw and experienced. When I stood on the podium during the demonstrations, I thought not that I was so outstanding, but that there are 16 of us. Everyone is responsible for his own area of ​​work, but he does it in a common community. Before being on this podium after the elections, we adopted an enormous plan to carry out work on the orders of the voters. And we knew that by the next elections we would be accountable for this. Moreover, none of us received money for being a deputy, being a member of the executive committee. Once a week we met and adopted resolutions on topical issues of the life of the region. We decided ourselves, we did it ourselves. The main feature of Soviet power: if you adopt a law, then you yourself and execute it. What role did the party play then? Simply: I didn’t cope with the job, I was kicked out of the party and fired from my job. There was another interesting detail. In addition to the elected executive committee, there was also the so-called SZ (Narrowed meeting of the executive committee). It was the five who were engaged in civil defense, and in an emergency, all power was transferred to it. So there was only one party worker, the first secretary.
    At the time, it was the world's cheapest state apparatus.
    The coup d'etat of 1954-1957, when Khrushchev and his Dnepropetrovsk associates became the head of the party and state, was a terrible blow to this system. Unfortunately, few people noted that the result of his activities was a change of elites. From the very beginning, he quarreled with representatives of literature and art, then with employees of the state apparatus, eliminating the sectoral system of economic management. This seemed to him not enough and he ruined agriculture, and at the same time the entire cooperative sector.
    He chose the party apparatus as his support, which was not controlled by the people. This apparatus was replenished with people whose moral and political character was in serious doubt. They formed a closed caste with special services and material benefits that were strikingly different from what the masses had. And now we are ruled by the descendants of that gang, for which the Nazis and the Communists did not represent the difference - the main thing is to get a freebie.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 1 November 2020 20: 03
    +3
    so where does the betrayal begin? it's not even about painting equipment from the Second World War, you can draw a star on it, and everyone will understand whose it is. all the more the photos of trophies with red stars are already shown. but we are proud of our victory in the Second World War, all the glorious victories in it, and at the same time we do not remember the SUPREME CHIEF. there is victory, but there is no commander. deleted from all official references to the current government. the authorities are trying to instill that the people won the war, that they tensed themselves and won. The Russian people are like that, and comrade. Stalin has nothing to do with it. but this does not happen. For example, the British believe that W. CHURCHILL led them to victory. only his will to fight, not to live, but to die, the desire to win, saved Britain. but if it were chamberlain, it ended badly. in the united states believe that the wisdom of F.D. ROOSEVELT, his persistence in economic policy, pushing the country's dominant role in the world, made the United States one of the world's superpowers. and we have? Khrushchev poured tubs of dirt on the Supreme, renamed STALINGRAD to Volgograd, and what did he achieve? the whole world knows the battle of STALINGRAD, but we do not have such a city. After all, when a cornerstone is knocked out of a solid foundation, the building collapses. When in the USSR at the end of the 80s a campaign began to blame I.V. STALIN, it became clear to the understanding citizens that it would be a matter of time to reach our victory. and so it happened. rarely did any of the rulers of the Republic of India or the USSR, who liked it, so consistently, with rare stubbornness, defended the interests of the state after the war. For these achievements, the Soviet Union hated the West so much. How not cool, but the Yalta agreements, gave peace for 50 years. so it is necessary to take a closer look at what the betrayal begins with.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 1 November 2020 21: 38
    -1
    The betrayal ends with the Guarantor brazenly and vulgarly spitting on his people (hiding behind "partners" and "coronavirus")
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 1 November 2020 22: 15
    +2
    the author is right ... but the problem is somewhat larger and more serious ... the symbolism is extremely important. The population ceases to feel like residents of the country ..., states come and go ... but what about the country? The country had a Soviet period of life - a bright contradictory, but life ..., and now miserable vegetation, smearing faeces over its history or not its own ..., betrayal ...?
  • Arabfun
    Arabfun 1 November 2020 22: 22
    -2
    The White Guards became heroes under Yeltsin and off they went ... BUT the author riveted any Nazi shit, which is disgusting to look at, the question arises - who is more propagandizing the losers ... and in general it all looks like an alarmist Vlasovite shouts to his surrender
  • Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych 2 November 2020 02: 58
    +1
    In our village this year on May 9, there was laughter and sin. The head of May 7 hung up the usual Red flags and flags all over the village, and already on the 8th, the frightened one at the pace changed them to the Russian tricolor. To the surprised questions of the villagers, "What for?", Answered "What if I get something for it." In what sense there will be something, then they will give a zvizdyuly, or they will write out a prize, it is not clear. But the fact that this is of the same kind, as the article says, is unambiguous. This policy comes from the Kremlin.
  • Dedok
    Dedok 2 November 2020 09: 09
    0
    a question of paramount importance for us: as a nation ...
    Remember the words of Professor Preobrazhensky? - and what do we read in the history books of our grandchildren and keep silent? so, what is next? - we are all successfully doing lessons from these textbooks ...
    for what is all the fuss here: who has more pip?
    can we find something worthwhile to show to grandchildren? and teach them something, unlike a history textbook ...