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Access to the coding system: the Army of Nagorno-Karabakh showed another shot down drone of the Azerbaijani troops

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Access to the coding system: the Army of Nagorno-Karabakh showed another shot down drone of the Azerbaijani troops

The army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic publishes materials that tell about another enemy drone shot down by air defense crews.


This time we are talking about a reconnaissance drone, which after the fall did not receive irreversible damage. This makes it possible for the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from the reconnaissance UAV, as well as gain access to the code system when controlling the drone itself.

The drone with tail number 179 has already been delivered to one of the military units in Artsakh.


Earlier, the Armenian side demonstrated several downed Bayraktar-TB2 drones of Turkish production, which are actively used by the Azerbaijani army during the hostilities.

It should be noted that the use of shock drones in the conflict zone by Azerbaijani troops has become much less frequent than it was a couple of weeks ago. The Azerbaijani army began to actively use artillery, including rocket-propelled ones. In this regard, it was suggested that the NKR and Armenian troops found an "antidote" against attack drones.

Now, as can be seen in the presented photos, it is possible to "land" the reconnaissance drones, which are engaged, among other things, in guiding artillery weapons at targets.
Photos used:
Facebook / NKR Ministry of Defense
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 October 2020 19: 05
    36
    This makes it possible the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from a reconnaissance UAV,
    Agree these lines sound powerful, especially about studying the technologies used by the Armenian side bully
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 25 October 2020 19: 16
      54
      well, yes, it sounds like Tajik scientists studied the resulting neutron reactor and created a similar sample of hashish.
      1. genisis
        genisis 25 October 2020 20: 12
        +6
        Meanwhile, Armenia began producing its own kamikaze drones.
        The video of the application is already on the net.
        1. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 20: 41
          13
          Here is the text in Sladkov's telegram channel.
          1. Alena-Baku
            Alena-Baku 25 October 2020 21: 37
            -8
            https://armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/262072/
            Interestingly, here is the Armenian source.
    2. deniso
      deniso 25 October 2020 19: 20
      +3
      And Russia, so to speak, for inspection wink
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 27
        10
        Quote: denis obuckov
        And Russia, so to speak, for inspection

        A little expensive.
        It's easier to take from the Syrians for free.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 25 October 2020 19: 30
          -5
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: denis obuckov
          And Russia, so to speak, for inspection

          A little expensive.
          It's easier to take from the Syrians for free.

          yesYes. Simpler and already taken. But
          sounds like Tajik scientists studied the resulting neutron reactor
          laughing
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 25 October 2020 20: 27
            -8
            ... And at this time the Chukchi scientists opened ... the doors. laughing
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 25 October 2020 20: 47
              0
              ... And at this time, Chukchi scientists discovered ...

              eyes ... and then as far as they could. bully
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 25 October 2020 21: 11
                -4
                GOOD-LOOK-YOU with the release! laughing
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 25 October 2020 21: 16
                  0
                  Thanks! I went out, but I don't see the light. One obscurantism.
              2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 22: 33
                +2
                Quote: lexus
                eyes...

                The path to this achievement was as follows: first, the discovery of the century, then the discovery of the second century.
            2. a52333
              a52333 26 October 2020 11: 06
              +8
              And the British scientists crossed crab sticks and got crab crosses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 October 2020 19: 58
        0
        Quote: denis obuckov
        And Russia, so to speak, for inspection wink

        So the Russian Outposts and Azerbaijani intelligence officers have the same mom and dad - the Israeli Secher))
    3. Airdefense
      Airdefense 25 October 2020 20: 05
      +6
      And why not, how surprised you will be if you find out that recently a Dagestani won the floor. million dollars in Facebook's Deepfake Detection Challenge (DFDC) to develop algorithms that could help automatically detect fake videos?
      By the way, Armenia has a good IT cluster.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 25 October 2020 20: 57
        +3
        This is the salary of an ordinary programmer in a facebook for half a year. They're all dollar millionaires there
        1. Airdefense
          Airdefense 25 October 2020 21: 46
          +3
          An ordinary programmer at FAAMG receives a maximum of 100-120 thousand dollars a year before taxes, a signor can calculate up to 200 thousand dollars a year, also before taxes, everything above is already management.
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 25 October 2020 20: 07
      +8
      There is no Armenian, but the Russian is very yes. In general, it pleases. As the saying goes: "The process has begun," UAVs began to fall regularly, which means they found an antidote against the "wunderwafli"))))
    5. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 20: 18
      -3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Agree these lines sound powerful, especially about studying the technologies used by the Armenian side

      Back in 2016, the Armenians captured almost the whole ThunderB. It looks like this one just ran out of fuel.
    6. hydrox
      hydrox 25 October 2020 20: 26
      13
      Quote: Observer2014
      Especially about studying the technologies used by the Armenian side

      Yes, he laughed! laughing
      Do you know that 45 years ago the Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex of the then most advanced structure Elbrus (made for the "Dead Hand"), which had no equal in the world, including products of the famous IBM?
      And now, yes, where did it go ?? Narodishko was crumbling and scattered, their brains were degraded for good, and in the NKR it was probably not without Krasukha - but do Armenians know how to handle her? No.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 25 October 2020 20: 52
        13
        Quote: hydrox
        Quote: Observer2014
        Especially about studying the technologies used by the Armenian side

        Yes, he laughed! laughing
        Do you know that 45 years ago the Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex of the then most advanced structure Elbrus (made for the "Dead Hand"), which had no equal in the world, including products of the famous IBM?
        And now, yes, where did it go ?? Narodishko was crumbling and scattered, their brains were degraded for good, and in the NKR it was probably not without Krasukha - but do Armenians know how to handle her? No.

        I have no idea, but in my life I had a chance to communicate with one of the most intelligent Armenian hi In 2008 he worked at an Armenian nuclear power plant. He took it at his own expense and worked in my team in Sochi. Children had to get married but there was no money. belay Yes, yes, that summer I calculated the brigade from Ossetia earlier. And ... And two weeks later, literally a bag of gifts laughing I got it. As a token of gratitude. I remember one brother died. Horror… It happens the same. And my friend broke his leg not long ago. Health to him! And the Azerbaijani comrade at work was funny. This is what it is. laughing I'm a thoroughbred hare born in Siberia under the flag of the DPR, fighting on the site for a year. Childhood and youth in the Donbass lived.
        where did it go ??
        Nothing has gone anywhere. You just need the courage to say enough! Stop! You can't go on like this. It's time to reassemble the USSR. Or the Russian Empire. Whichever one likes it more. If we don't like it, we will continue to bury ourselves further.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 25 October 2020 20: 56
          -2
          Putin promised exactly this between the lines, but something is not going well with him ... - or overestimated his strength - all the same, the people are in opposition ...
      2. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev 25 October 2020 21: 19
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic for sure it was not without Krasukha

        This is unlikely - if such a complex were noticed, there would be a lot of noise.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 25 October 2020 22: 21
        +2
        hydrox "And now, where did everything go? Narodishko crumbled and fled, the brains degraded for good, and in the NKR, for sure, Krasukha was not without - but do the Armenians know how to handle her."
        I don't think everyone scattered. And you correctly noted that there was a high-tech production in Armenia. Here is an incomplete list of what is and works and product names ...
        1. Defense products of OJSC "Armelectromash" are autonomous power systems for air defense systems. "Armelectromash" is on the list of enterprises and organizations involved in the production of military products, the preservation of the specialization of which is in the interests of the Russian Federation.
        2. The 2D01 optoelectronic reconnaissance and fire control system is designed and manufactured by LT-Pyrkal.
        3.CJSC "Nanoamorph Technology" (formerly Research Institute "Atom", NPP "Atom") develops and produces nanoamorphous monoatomic metals (based on molybdenum, tungsten, nickel, iron, copper, etc.), as well as alloys of any composition on their basis. In the early 1990s, the enterprise was the first in the world to obtain amorphous monoatomic metals (grain size less than 10 nm). The enterprise received its first Russian patent for a method for producing such metals in 1995. Subsequently, an international patent was received, which was evaluated by the British company "Sincrystal Ltd." at $ 58 million
        4.Developed by the Yerevan Scientific Research Institute of Communications (ErNIISS) antenna-rotary device.
        5. LLC "Insol" (Innovative Solutions) is an engineering company specializing in such areas as RF, optics, RF / Optics and provides a wide range of engineering services:
        Development and implementation of automated measuring systems;
        Development of software for solving a wide range of tasks in the field of measurement and automatic control;
        Creation of testing tools for input and output control in the production of RF components of blocks and devices; and etc.
        6. LLC "Pegasus Logic" specializes in the creation of digital processing systems for complex radio signals, as well as in the implementation of complex solutions for the creation of automated control systems, embedded automation systems and automated testing systems.
        7. CJSC "Locator" and LLC "Astromaps" at the "DigiTec Expo-2015"
        8. At the DigiTec Expo-2 high technology exhibition in Yerevan on October 4-2015, the Armenian Astromaps LLC demonstrated a new gyro-stabilized optical-electronic system (GOES) A-360 and other products of its own design. We would like to remind that earlier Astromaps demonstrated GOES A01.
        9. The VPK-Armenii blog provides its readers with the opportunity to get acquainted with the presentation brochure of the specialized enterprise for the production of photoelectric digital converters of angle into the code of JSC "Goris Gamma". Published in 2015, the brochure contains a number of noteworthy information. In particular, it is reported that the representative office of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia is accredited at the enterprise, as well as that FSUE 22 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of Russia periodically certifies the enterprise:
        10. The VPK-Armenii blog has already reported on the Ku-band portable Doppler radar station designed and manufactured by the Institute of Radiophysics and Electronics (IRFE) of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia, designed for reconnaissance of ground moving targets in the absence of optical visibility.
      4. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 23: 04
        -1
        Quote: hydrox
        Did you know that 45 years ago the Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex for the then most advanced structure Elbrus


        Legends and myths ... just one of the Elbrus developers had an Armenian surname.
      5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 25 October 2020 23: 36
        +2
        Quote: hydrox
        Yerevan Research Institute

        Is this the one we got back to ourselves in the early 2000s? So he is ours, not Armenian
        Here the existence of the "dead hand" itself raises questions from the general public, and you, a citizen, even know who made a computing complex for it? Amazing.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 October 2020 10: 52
          +1
          I have to the so-called. The "general public" of liberal origin and living under the name "fifth column" has a very cool attitude - cool because, if something happens, the barrel may overheat and the PC will start spitting ... lol
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 21: 19
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            barrel may overheat

            You, most importantly, take care of your head.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 26 October 2020 21: 21
              +1
              With such maxims, you need to see your grandmothers at the entrance - at the same time you will kill time ...
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 26 October 2020 21: 22
                0
                Who, who, and the grandmothers at the entrance know how important it is to protect your head. It's not for us to teach them.
      6. Revolver
        Revolver 26 October 2020 01: 16
        +3
        Quote: hydrox
        45 years ago, the Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex of the then most advanced structure Elbrus

        Well, you still remember the Nairi cars.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 October 2020 10: 55
          +1
          Yes, there are problems: you have nothing to remember - this is what annoys you - but there is WHAT, and was there anything? yes
      7. Old tanker
        Old tanker 26 October 2020 07: 17
        0
        It is unlikely that Krasuha was required. Stupidly out of fuel or technical malfunction. Otherwise, not one drone was in the photo, but a considerable bunch.
      8. ghby
        ghby 26 October 2020 08: 34
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Did you know that 45 years ago the Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex for the then most advanced structure Elbrus

        Well, if it bore the name: “Institute of Precise Mechanics and Computer Science named after S. A. Lebedev "and was in Moscow then yes laughing
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 October 2020 21: 24
          +1
          ITM and VT distinguished itself only by the BESM-6 model, model 10 was worse and did not stand up instead of Elbrus ...
    7. Hermit21
      Hermit21 25 October 2020 21: 02
      +2
      They will study in the glorious Armenian city of Tveryan
    8. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 25 October 2020 23: 06
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      even more important is the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops when it is transmitted from a reconnaissance UAV

      Allows the Armenian side to study the encoding and decoding system, yeah, and spend 20 years on decryption, unless of course they have quantum computers
    9. georgiigennadievitch
      georgiigennadievitch 28 October 2020 10: 17
      0
      You are flirting, but everything is written correctly. Armenia has an advanced system of programmers. So they will certainly and quickly figure out what's there and what.
  2. Owl
    Owl 25 October 2020 19: 10
    +6
    Without damage from "air defense fire", it means that the electronic warfare systems work, without attack UAVs - the pressure of Azerbaijan's land forces decreases and the activity of cannon artillery and MLRS increases, which are actively hitting areas (in peaceful).
    1. deniso
      deniso 25 October 2020 19: 15
      +4
      "Krasuha -4"
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 October 2020 19: 59
        +2
        Quote: denis obuckov
        "Krasuha -4"

        Nightmares on Elm Street - 5. hi
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 19: 25
      -4
      In the course of successful hostilities on October 25, 2 enemy artillery mounts, 2 BM-21 Grad, 1 staff vehicle, 1 command post, 2 trucks, 1 tank and several firing points were destroyed.
      UAV today
      https://minval.az/news/124048402
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 October 2020 20: 10
        -5
        Evidence in the studio. The UAV is available and can be shown to French (American) journalists. And what confirms the information from "Baku Beobakhter". You don't need to talk about vidos, my friend is a computer technician who draws better)))
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 October 2020 20: 05
      0
      Owl - he caught his wing on a cloud, and he skidded in flight lol and the operator did not react crying so the drone fell yes
    4. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 25 October 2020 20: 15
      -9
      Well, the kindergarten seems to be also a peaceful area, if you do not take into account the age and profession (the kids are kibaltish)
  3. poquello
    poquello 25 October 2020 19: 10
    +9
    these first of all must be shot down-planted because the gunners
  4. Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 15
    +1
    In this regard, it was suggested that the NKR and Armenian troops found an "antidote" against attack drones.

    They just ran out of ammunition ... Or rather, "there was a shortage."
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 25
      +4
      By the way, I predicted this a week ago. And he wrote that Azerbaijan will switch to the practice of creating RUKs as part of reconnaissance UAVs and artillery units.

      But local Experts, apologists for the religious cult "a shock drone is a wunderwaffe," then instructed me to minus, trying thereby to defeat reality. laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 October 2020 19: 50
        +4
        And where did they go - they fly and continue to attack equipment and dugouts with manpower.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 54
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Where did they go

          I have quoted the article. It says
          "It should be noted that the use of shock drones in the conflict zone by Azerbaijani troops has become much less frequent than it was a couple of weeks ago. The Azerbaijani army began to actively use artillery, including rocket-propelled ones. In this regard, it was suggested that the NKR and Armenian troops found an "antidote" against attack drones. "
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 October 2020 20: 17
            +1
            It should be noted that the use of precisely attack drones in the conflict zone by Azerbaijani troops has become much less common. Long-range Spikes used the same attack drones today. The Azerbaijani army began to use artillery more actively, including rocket-propelled artillery.This is because the Armenians began to use equipment less and less often and they lose a lot of it a day, another base was taken by the Azerbaijanis
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 29
              -3
              Quote: Vadim237
              Long-range Spikes used the same attack drones today.

              So what?
              Azerbaijanis are not stupid enough to completely empty their reserves.
              Quote: Vadim237
              The Azerbaijani army began to actively use artillery, including rocket-propelled ones.This is because the Armenians began to use equipment less and less

              Is it like "they shoot where"? laughing
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 25 October 2020 21: 32
                +1
                They shoot at fortified areas and manpower in the trenches. The drones left but promised to return - and returned and there are no prerequisites that they end there.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 October 2020 21: 34
                  -5
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  and there are no prerequisites that they end there.

                  Actually, it was about running out of ammunition for them.
                  And the prerequisites are definitely there.
                2. My doctor
                  My doctor 25 October 2020 22: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  and there are no prerequisites that they end there.

                  If you will? A man under the nickname Lopatov, as I understood it, said that it is not possible to "leave" the whole war on some shock drones.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 26 October 2020 00: 24
                    +1
                    If you knock out all the enemy's equipment, it is quite possible to leave what Azerbaijan is doing and, according to rough estimates, Azerbaijan needs another 1700-2000 MOM L bombs to disable and destroy all the military equipment of Karabakh and what Armenia will put there, but in addition to shock drones, there are Spikes and a lot more than 200 complexes and more than 5000 missiles for them, artillery and aviation, so in fact Armenia has already lost - another month is the second third of such battles and they will have no equipment at all, as well as artillery as well as specialized personnel for it.
                    1. sen
                      sen 26 October 2020 04: 08
                      +1
                      Yes of course. In addition, a Turkish AWACS aircraft is patrolling near Armenia, which supplies the Azerbaijanis with data on radar stations operating on the territory of both Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, and NATO satellites are involved, to which Turkey has access.
                      Moreover, a significant part of the air defense systems located in Karabakh was destroyed in the early days by Israeli IAI Harpy drones, which have a radar seeker, whose task was to search for the enemy air defense radar. When the desired signal was found, the kamikaze drone would automatically aim at its source. Unlike existing anti-radar missiles, the Harpy can stay in the desired area for several hours and wait for the target signal to appear.
                      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/279479/?utm_source=warfiles.ru
                      https://topwar.ru/154495-barrazhirujuschie-boepripasy-semejstva-iai-harpy-izrail.html
                3. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 26 October 2020 07: 26
                  +4
                  And the Armenians did not have camouflage, and they still do not. Cover yourself with twigs and don't light it up - it's not a disguise.
              2. georgiigennadievitch
                georgiigennadievitch 28 October 2020 10: 35
                0
                Going into the "jungle" of details, you get away from the essence of the issue. The stunning initial successes of the Azerbaijani troops were due to the massive and effective use of reconnaissance and strike drones. The Armenian side was not ready for this. If the Armenians managed to find an antidote to the drones, now the nature of the hostilities will naturally change. At the same time, the role of artillery on both sides will increase. It seems that in this case the Armenian artillery will have some superiority due to the higher training of artillerymen.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 October 2020 10: 39
                  0
                  Quote: georgiigennadievitch
                  Going into the "jungle" of details, you leave the essence of the issue.

                  And the crux of the matter in a simple phrase, the UAV is not a wunderwaffe. You can and should successfully fight them.

                  Quote: georgiigennadievitch
                  .If the Armenians managed to find an antidote to drones

                  But in this I do not believe in principle.
                  And I think that a possible decrease in the activity of attack UAVs is solely a consequence of saving guided munitions for them.
      2. Hermit21
        Hermit21 25 October 2020 21: 03
        +3
        Or maybe the attack drones themselves have become sharply less
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 October 2020 21: 06
          +2
          Quote: Hermit21
          Or maybe the attack drones themselves have become sharply less

          I do not believe in such a success of the Armenian air defense system. Which is more concerned with its own survival.
          1. Hermit21
            Hermit21 25 October 2020 21: 18
            +2
            And who said that only Armenian?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 25 October 2020 21: 22
              +2
              Quote: Hermit21
              And who said that only Armenian?

              Who else can shoot down Azerbaijani UAVs?
              1. Hermit21
                Hermit21 25 October 2020 23: 38
                +2
                Really, who?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 October 2020 10: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Hermit21
                  Really, who?

                  This is not an answer.
                  Not to offer Russian specialists.
            2. Rubina
              Rubina 25 October 2020 23: 17
              -2
              This is a good question. I agree, not only Armenian.
      3. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 22: 16
        -4
        UAV today.

    2. Baloo
      Baloo 25 October 2020 19: 47
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      In this regard, it was suggested that the NKR and Armenian troops found an "antidote" against attack drones.

      They just ran out of ammunition ... Or rather, "there was a shortage."


      The "smart" rocket does not explode immediately. It will fly to the target, but it will not explode, it will wait until it is discovered, it will be brought to enemy territory for study, and then, when everything is ready for viewing and the heads of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff arrive, ka-a-ak blast!
      Sorry for the people. The dead and the living, who will have to seek refuge, leaving their native walls and land.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 53
        +3
        Quote: Balu
        The "smart" rocket does not explode immediately. It will fly to the target, but it will not explode, it will wait

        There is a reserve accumulated by Azerbaijan. The stock shows the bottom.
        You can buy, but you can't take too much from Turkey "from the availability", they themselves actively used them in Syria and Libya, and they cannot leave themselves with a bare bottom, having given everything from warehouses. That leaves the Turkish industry. Which has its own capabilities on the "shaft", and cannot jump above its head. In addition, rushwork leads to poor quality, which is unacceptable.

        So a natural deficit has formed.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 25 October 2020 20: 07
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Balu
          The "smart" rocket does not explode immediately. It will fly to the target, but it will not explode, it will wait

          There is a reserve accumulated by Azerbaijan. The stock shows the bottom.
          You can buy, but you can't take too much from Turkey "from the availability", they themselves actively used them in Syria and Libya, and they cannot leave themselves with a bare bottom, having given everything from warehouses. That leaves the Turkish industry. Which has its own capabilities on the "shaft", and cannot jump above its head. In addition, rushwork leads to poor quality, which is unacceptable.

          So a natural deficit has formed.

          Or the concept has changed. Not in terms of fitting, but simply cleaning up space by area.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 26 October 2020 07: 35
            +2
            Rather, they switched to a complex application. At the initial stage, widely using shock drones to the maximum, they knocked out the fire weapons and equipment of the Armenian army. Having broken through the defenses on the line of fortifications and reaching the operational space, they began to use the RUK reconnaissance drone and artillery at strong points hastily equipped by the Armenians. Cheap and cheerful. And most importantly, it is effective in this situation. And spending expensive guided missiles on single important targets. Azeris were taught quite well in Turkish "universities". We learned how to conduct complex hostilities and take care of people.
        2. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 20: 18
          +4
          Ага.
          And a little more about Turkish industry:
          The Canadians produced the engine for the Bayraktar, but they imposed an embargo on supplies to Turkey. It can be assumed that the Turks at one time bought these engines like shoe polish, but, as you noticed, they need it for themselves.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: genisis
            And a little more about Turkish industry:
            the engine for the Bayraktars was produced by Canadians, but they imposed an embargo on supplies to Turkey.

            It is also an option
            1. genisis
              genisis 25 October 2020 20: 30
              +2
              All deliveries have been stopped since 23/10/2020.
              https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/turkey-armenia-azerbaijan-drones-bombardier-1.5775350
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: genisis
                All deliveries have been stopped since 23/10/2020.

                And this was to be expected
                And therefore, even if Azerbaijan does have WTO reserves, they should clearly be held back.
                1. MTN
                  MTN 25 October 2020 21: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  And therefore, even if Azerbaijan does have WTO reserves, they should clearly be held back.

                  The point is not that the number of drones on the Azerbaijani side has decreased, but that the Armenians have become less likely to use technology. See new trophies. And of course, not in such quantities as before the start of the war, I am sure the Azerbaijani side has thought over the logistics to the smallest detail.
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 21: 42
            -1
            Why lie to the people? Canadians never supplied engines for UAVs to Turkey. They supplied elements related to optics. Turks manufacture engines themselves, and optics too. So they sent Canadians and their supporters here.
            1. genisis
              genisis 25 October 2020 22: 28
              +1
              Why are you doing that?
              Why "crush the people with intellect"?
              Here is an article in the Canadian edition. I gave the link. I will repeat.
              https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/turkey-armenia-azerbaijan-drones-bombardier-1.5775350
              If you don't speak English, ask Omar, he speaks everything)))
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 22: 45
                +3
                Bayraktar TV2 has an Austrian Rotax 912 motor. The Turks themselves also make PD-170 engines for these drones (Anka and Bayraktar). Do not strain yourself and your "intellect" Even here there is info about dvigla https://topwar.ru/176027-tureckij-udarnyj-bespilotnik-bayraktar-tb2.html
                1. genisis
                  genisis 25 October 2020 23: 27
                  +3
                  Why should you stubbornly continue to demonstrate your incompetence? If you were to read the material on the Canadian site, the link to which I gave you, then you would finally know that the Rotax engine is made by an Austrian company owned by the Canadian.

                  Do not give thanks
        3. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 25 October 2020 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          That leaves the Turkish industry. Which has its own capabilities on the "shaft", and cannot jump above its head.

          There are also components, engine and optics from Canada. More precisely, they are now gone, Canada has suspended supplies to the Turks.
          Now you have to look for detours, and this is time and money.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 October 2020 19: 51
      +6
      "Just ran out of ammo" ///
      ----
      Rather, the goals are over. The technique is over. It is expensive to hit single infantrymen with rockets.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 October 2020 19: 58
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Rather, the goals are over

        Well, they use artillery ... Detecting targets and adjusting fire by means of UAVs.
        That is, there are goals.

        It's just that Azerbaijan is not the United States, it doesn't print money. They will not be able to allocate funds to double gross production, as the US Department of Defense did to eliminate the Helfair deficit.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 25 October 2020 20: 08
        +2
        Alexey hi components "run out" because of the threat of US sanctions to the supplying countries! Turkish missiles, like their drones, have only a name, but the rest is a team hodgepodge!
      3. lucul
        lucul 25 October 2020 20: 11
        +6
        "Just ran out of ammo" ///
        ----
        Rather, the goals are over. The technique is over. It is expensive to hit single infantrymen with rockets.

        So, if the goals are over, Azerbaijan can enter Karabakh with an easy walk, no? )))
      4. Grits
        Grits 26 October 2020 06: 01
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Rather, the goals are over. The technique is over. It is expensive to hit single infantrymen with rockets.

        I think you are right. First there were vidyushki about the destruction of tanks, air defense. Then came artillery, then trucks. And finally, we have already seen how groups of soldiers are beaten and dugouts. UAV operators apparently went into a rage. But they were reminded that the difference between the cost of the rocket and the destroyed object can be paid out of their own pocket. So they calmed down.
    4. lucul
      lucul 25 October 2020 20: 10
      0
      They just ran out of ammunition ... Or rather, "there was a shortage."

      It is necessary to "unfold" the thought, not everyone understands your sarcasm))))
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 25 October 2020 20: 24
        -1
        Read the detailed comments above.
        Everything is laid out there in detail.
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 19: 16
    -9
    This is not Bayraktar TB2
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    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 25 October 2020 19: 25
      10
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      This is not Bayraktar TB2

      If you read carefully, you can make out:
      This time we are talking about a reconnaissance drone
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 October 2020 20: 01
      -1
      Scout - what is Israeli
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 20: 04
        +2
        This is ThunderB. It fell into the hands of the Armenians back in 2016.


        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 October 2020 20: 08
          -2
          This record in 2016 in terms of flight duration was 25 hours
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 20: 47
          -2
          Recently, Armenians showed an incomprehensible video, characters in green-spotted uniforms, called militants from the Middle East in Azerbaijan. In the photo, these are the uniforms of Zinvora Tonoyana wearing)

        3. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 22: 08
          -1
          Azerbaijan liberated the city of Gubadli !!! President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev announced this on his Twitter account.
      2. Errr
        Errr 26 October 2020 04: 55
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Scout - what is Israeli
        Skylark 3 from Elbit Systems.
    4. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 20: 03
      0
      The local (not all of course) scientists do not understand you, for them everything is Bayraktar or Harop, no other is given)
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 October 2020 20: 13
        +1
        The local (not all of course) scientists do not understand you, for them everything is Bayraktar or Harop, no other is given)

        Not everyone understands varieties
  6. Professor
    Professor 25 October 2020 19: 19
    24
    This makes it possible for the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from the reconnaissance UAV, as well as gain access to the code system when controlling the drone itself.

    Who is the author of this nonsense? What nafig "technologies"? It says how to make this drone? Are those processes described?
    A system for encoding and decoding information when transmitting it from a reconnaissance UAV? Seriously? Take an iPhone and hack it. What is the problem? Indeed, in the opinion of the author, once the device fell into the hands, then the technologies and coding systems, and OH GOD !!! codes fell into the hands. fool
    1. avib
      avib 25 October 2020 19: 26
      24
      not well
      The drone with tail number 179 has already been delivered to one of the military units in Artsakh.


      As in American films about hackers, when a girl of a model appearance, frenziedly pummeling on the keyboard of a laptop, speaks through clenched teeth: Well, let's check in the CIA database ...
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 25 October 2020 19: 29
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      Who is the author of this nonsense? What nafig "technologies"?

      I totally agree. It takes a long time to study these "birds" to find vulnerabilities. And they certainly won't find access codes there. wassat
      1. deniso
        deniso 25 October 2020 19: 35
        0
        I think assistants from other countries will quickly find themselves delving into the boards ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 19: 49
          +2
          Quote: denis obuckov
          I think assistants from other countries will quickly find themselves delving into the boards ...

          What do you want to find in the boards?
          1. hrych
            hrych 25 October 2020 20: 06
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            What do you want to find in the boards?

            DAC and ADC.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 25 October 2020 20: 10
              0
              Quote: hrych
              DAC and AOC ..

              ADC probably all the same, just what will it give you?
              1. hrych
                hrych 25 October 2020 20: 29
                -3
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                ADC probably all the same, just what will it give you?
                Already fixed. It gives a lot. Criminals, fanatics, hooligans, industrial spies and certainly special government agencies are engaged in hacking of electronics and crypto-encryption. Here the Professor was indignant at something with an iPhone, but pirated applications are available wassat
                1. Holgerton
                  Holgerton 25 October 2020 22: 08
                  11
                  Hacking the ADC is just a brilliant solution, as for such a dark head like yours, your demonstrative bragging and stupefying others in this field is especially commendable (if that is a compliment).
                  And "hacking electronics" is generally an application for a Nobel Prize, if we are not talking about hacking transistors) laughing laughing laughing
                  With such ideas, you have a direct road to the RAS, tell the "guys" how to hack processors, even if only a set of instructions from some Intel Pentium of the early-mid 2000s, otherwise everything is really bad, ELECTRONICS DOES NOT BREAK) wassat
                  The hacking of electronics ended at about the same time that it began, the damned kaya decaying civilization created many soulless ways to protect machine code for digital microcircuits and microprocessors, which does not allow copying and pasting code more complex than instructions of some mikruhi responsible for synchronizing the simplest serial interfaces.
                  And since you mentioned about "crypto encryption"(oil oil), even now I can do it on my knee in 30 seconds and drop a couple of reference files with 256-bit encryption (and this is not even the level of a cryptoPTU!)
                  Of course, I’m never an expert in the field of cryptographer ... hmm ... that is crypto encryption, but I would advise you to grab a couple of Pentagon supercomputers in order to reduce a couple of extra thousand years from several tens of millions, perhaps the Sun will not go out yet, and you will already receive your desired machine code from the FPGA of the hardware data encryption of the consumable reconnaissance UAV.
                  As they say, good luck, fair wind good
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 25 October 2020 22: 25
                    -11 qualifying.
                    He wrote a lot, a natural genius. Kryptos - hidden, hidden in Greek. This word is millennium. And the cipher is a number with a French accent. Therefore, not oil and not oil, but a complementary term. Got it, smart guy? Read attentively. Hacking electronics, you don't have to literally break it wassat Well, you apparently think in this way wassat Hacking a computer or a page in VK doesn’t mean hitting him with a sledgehammer, which didn’t hurt. laughing So consider software hacking.
                    Quote: Holgerton
                    As they say, good luck, fair wind

                    And to you to the wind wassat
                    1. Holgerton
                      Holgerton 26 October 2020 14: 45
                      +2
                      Oh, how quickly you merged, you'd better go read books about irony and sarcasm, maybe your mind will be added to recognize them, you will poke yourself in the toilet) laughing
                      Kryptos - hidden, hidden in Greek. This word is millennium. And the cipher is a number with a French accent. Therefore, not oil and not oil, but a complementary term. Got it, smart guy? Read attentively.

                      Oh well, thank the eggs, that in your life you at least learned to "google" foreign words, but unfortunately the logic of what you need to "google" has not increased with age) wassat wassat
                      The words cryptos and cipher have only an indirect connection with cryptography and encryption, and your expert crypto encryption nothing more than your amateurish substitution of concepts.
                      Cryptography is the science of ensuring information security and confidentiality, and encryption is already one of the applied methods of ensuring it. No crypto encryption in the official classification / documentation you will not find.
                      Hacking electronics, it is not necessary to break it in the literal sense wassat Well, you, apparently, think in this way wassat Hacking a computer or a page in VK doesn’t mean hitting it with a sledgehammer, which didn’t hurt. laughing So think about software hacking.

                      Yes, I seem to be the only one here who thinks and talks about software hacking, and you dump your senile insanity) tongue Apparently you still, more than mine, dropped your head on the floor during your girlhood, since the irony is still incomprehensible to you)
                      I doubt that you have at least some idea of ​​microelectronics and the construction of information security, in other words, a layman.
                      And again, I already said:
                      Even now I can do it on my knee in 30 seconds and throw off a couple of reference files with 256-bit encryption (and this is not even the level of a cryptoPTU!)
                      Of course, I’m never an expert in the field of cryptographer ... ahem ... that is, crypto-encryption, but I would advise you to grab a couple of Pentagon supercomputers in order to reduce a couple of extra thousand years from tens of millions, maybe the Sun will not go out yet, and you will already your desired machine code from the FPGA of hardware data encryption of the consumable reconnaissance UAV.

                      This is enough to clearly show how your favorite "cryptos and ciphers" deprive such a dark ignoramus as you of any opportunity to hack even the simplest microprocessors, even if you have all the computing power of the world. But there can be used much more complex methods of protection than the simplest 256-bit key, but if you have traveled the sea up to your knees, the main thing is not to leave your ward, dear, sir! laughing
                      Your refutation on the topic was not followed, you moved off the topic, decided to change shoes in flight with
                      crypto encryption
                      , but by this moment you have already been decomposed into facts by all and sundry, and you, in revenge, have decomposed your last thinking organ) wassat
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 26 October 2020 23: 41
                        -1
                        Too much has been written, I did not read. I'm just too lazy. Therefore, your vyser into the void wassat Moreover, I see some inserts of your own delirium laughing Quoting yourself? Why should I read this crap again? wassat
                  2. Errr
                    Errr 26 October 2020 05: 21
                    +2
                    Nicely laid out. good But this UAV is not "consumable". smile This is the "reusable" Israeli intelligence officer Skylark 3 from Elbit Systems.
                    1. Holgerton
                      Holgerton 26 October 2020 14: 51
                      0
                      Well, yes, I agree with you, by "consumable" I did not mean one-time use, but that single losses of such UAVs are often not critical, since they have a relatively low cost and often even the developer himself warns that such tactical UAVs are not " unkillable ", but simply represent a" difficult target for air defense ", due to the size and method of application.
                      1. Errr
                        Errr 26 October 2020 15: 28
                        0
                        I can't say anything about the price of the third Skylark, but in terms of inaccessibility for ground air defense systems, there is only a practical ceiling of 15000 ft (4572 m). "Willow" only reaches 3500 m. The size of this bird is relatively small: length - 3,5 m, wingspan - 4,8 m, height - 0,9 m. And this high-speed target with its maximum 150 km / h is very problematic to name. True, there is one trick there that allows this UAV to emit minimally in the infrared range. It's an electric motor.
                        Equipped with an electric propulsion system and a lithium-ion battery, the Skylark 3 mini tactical unmanned aerial vehicle can fly up to 100 km. The electric motor drives the rear-mounted two-blade propeller for quiet operation.
                        A source: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/skylark-3-mini-unmanned-aircraft-system-uas/
                        And he himself (in the sense of his operator, of course) sees well in difficult conditions thanks to the presence of an electro-optical / infrared sensor (EO / IR) for capturing images and high-definition video, which also does not contribute to hunting him. smile
            2. icant007
              icant007 25 October 2020 22: 03
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              DAC and ADC.


              Tsapu and Gravitsapu)))
              1. hrych
                hrych 25 October 2020 22: 05
                0
                Quote: icant007
                Tsapu and Gravitsapu)))

                something like that laughing
          2. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 25 October 2020 20: 23
            10
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            What do you want to find in the boards?

            Tsvetmet, not otherwise ... wassat
      2. Professor
        Professor 25 October 2020 19: 36
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Quote: Professor
        Who is the author of this nonsense? What nafig "technologies"?

        I totally agree. It takes a long time to study these "birds" to find vulnerabilities. And they certainly won't find access codes there. wassat

        Birdie by the way Bluebird. You can just buy from the manufacturer.
        http://www.bluebird-uav.com/
        1. deniso
          deniso 25 October 2020 20: 09
          0
          You can buy it ..... but as always you will have to fulfill a number of political conditions first and only then you can buy it. I don’t think that everyone is selling such equipment to the right and to the left.
          1. Professor
            Professor 25 October 2020 20: 29
            -1
            Quote: denis obuckov
            You can buy it ..... but as always you will have to fulfill a number of political conditions first and only then you can buy it. I don’t think that everyone is selling such equipment to the right and to the left.

            Russia was once sold. What is the problem? There is nothing secret about this drone.
            1. deniso
              deniso 25 October 2020 20: 33
              -1
              That was before ... now nothing is being sold to Russia ... sad
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 October 2020 20: 48
                +5
                Quote: denis obuckov
                That was before ... now nothing is being sold to Russia ... sad

                Duc you have import substitution. You don't need someone else's. You have your drones and your Mistrals.
                1. deniso
                  deniso 25 October 2020 21: 31
                  +2
                  Yes, the first drones were Israeli, if not for Israel, which did not impose sanctions, we probably had everything much worse with this now.
        2. Operator
          Operator 25 October 2020 20: 16
          -1
          In the photo, the Israeli reconnaissance UAV BlueBird SpyLite:
          - takeoff weight 9,5 kg;
          - flight duration 4 hours;
          - cruising speed 100 km / h;
          - maximum flight altitude 9100 meters;
          - distance of recognition of ground targets 5500 meters;
          - TV or IR camera;
          - there is no laser designator.
          Due to the latter circumstance, it cannot direct guided ammunition to the target.

          The recognition distance is 5500 meters - it means it gets lost from a slingshot (that is, from MANPADS).
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 20: 21
            +1
            I also thought about it at first, but it's not ThunderB.
            https://militarizm.su/vojna-v-karabahe/bespilotniki-azerbajdzhana-ch-2-bluebird-thunderb.html
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 October 2020 20: 31
              +3
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              I also thought about it at first, but it's not ThunderB.
              https://militarizm.su/vojna-v-karabahe/bespilotniki-azerbajdzhana-ch-2-bluebird-thunderb.html

              Yes, this is it. And the laser designator is in place.
            2. Operator
              Operator 25 October 2020 20: 32
              +1
              You're right, judging by the wingspan, this is a BlueBird ThunderB with an electric motor:
              - takeoff weight 28 kg;
              - cruising speed 90 km / h;
              - range 100 km;
              - flight altitude 5100 meters.
              Equipped with TV and IR cameras and a laser designator.

              It also gets lost from a slingshot (MANPADS) due to its low altitude.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 20: 36
                +2
                In any case, the manufacturer is the same BlueBird Aero Systems. Very similar planes.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 25 October 2020 22: 31
                +4
                Quote: Operator
                You're right, judging by the wingspan, this is a BlueBird ThunderB with an electric motor:
                - takeoff weight 28 kg;
                - cruising speed 90 km / h;
                - range 100 km;
                - flight altitude 5100 meters.
                Equipped with TV and IR cameras and a laser designator.

                It also gets lost from a slingshot (MANPADS) due to its low altitude.

                Duc with MANPADS in such a trifle that emits like a bastard, very little heat, you still have to manage to get
                1. Operator
                  Operator 25 October 2020 22: 36
                  -4
                  When replacing the infrared seeker of the rocket with a video camera with the function of target image recognition (just like faces are recognized in smartphones), any UAV gets lost with a bang.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 25 October 2020 23: 41
                    0
                    laughing
                    I am sure that in the next three years something like this will be adopted in the Russian Federation
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 26 October 2020 00: 15
                      -3
                      Not only in the Russian Federation, therefore, packs of mini-reconnaissance UAVs and an electronic map of the area are our everything.
                    2. Grits
                      Grits 26 October 2020 06: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I am sure that in the next three years something like this will be adopted in the Russian Federation

                      I would not be so categorical. Most likely three years only for testing. We have tested new models of Kalashnikav assault rifles for several years, and you about drones ...
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 October 2020 13: 35
                        0
                        This is clear. Although the threat is quite real and requires immediate resolution, therefore - "the sooner."
              3. Avior
                Avior 26 October 2020 01: 15
                +1
                MANPADS to shoot down a target with a small electric motor will be very difficult.
                MANPADS have IR guidance, an electric motor does not give enough heat for it.
          2. lucul
            lucul 25 October 2020 20: 29
            +3
            The recognition distance is 5500 meters - it means it gets lost from a slingshot (that is, from MANPADS).

            Not a fact, if so an electric engine, then MANPADS with an infrared homing head will not take it.
            1. Operator
              Operator 25 October 2020 20: 35
              0
              Various GOS are possible, including television ones with target image recognition against the background of the sky (like faces in smartphones).
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 October 2020 20: 49
                +4
                Quote: Operator
                Various GOS are possible, including television ones with target image recognition against the background of the sky (like faces in smartphones).

                Everything is possible in your fantasies. In real life, everything is different.
          3. kapitan92
            kapitan92 25 October 2020 21: 50
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            - maximum flight altitude 9100 meters;

            Quote: Operator
            The recognition distance is 5500 meters - it means it gets lost from a slingshot (that is, from MANPADS).

            Curious to know from what type of MANPADS you are going to shoot down such a "miracle of technology"?
            MANPADS "Verba" maximum 4,5 km in height. hi
            1. Operator
              Operator 25 October 2020 22: 18
              -6
              Karabakh is a mountainous area (over 600 meters above sea level), and the UAV's flight altitude is barometric, so the Verba will reach BlueBird ThunderB.

              In addition, the supersonic ATGMs "Whirlwind" and "Attack" are also intended for use against small-sized low-speed air targets.
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 25 October 2020 22: 56
                +6
                Quote: Operator
                In addition, the supersonic ATGMs "Whirlwind" and "Attack" are also intended for use against small-sized low-speed air targets.

                ATGM "ATTACK", carriers: helicopters Mi-24V, Mi-35, Mi-24VP (Mi-35M), Mi-24PK-2, Mi-35M2, Mi-28, Mi-28N (Mi-28NE),
                ATGM "VORTEX" carriers: Carriers: Su-25T / 39 / Ka-50/52 Mi-28
                There are only a dozen MI 24p in the Armenian Air Force, in Erebuni, how many are on the move is hard to say.
                SU 25 in Shirak, practically not modernized. (About 15 pieces).
                There are no carriers.
                There were no deliveries of such ATGMs to Armenia.
        3. genisis
          genisis 25 October 2020 20: 22
          +1
          By the way, the Armenians launched the production of a kamikaze drone. There is already a video on the network
          1. MTN
            MTN 25 October 2020 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: genisis
            By the way, the Armenians launched the production of a kamikaze drone. There is already a video on the network

            Late Rita :)
            https://haqqin.az/news/192418
      3. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 19: 49
        +1
        What are the access codes? It is quite enough for the first time to determine the operating frequencies and jam the communication signal with the control center. Better yet, for the Armenians it is most likely unattainable, to launch a rocket along the communication beam. It is quite possible to determine the coordinates of the command post and destroy it in one way or another. And already quite aerobatics, transmitting its information to the control center, crushing the drone's transceiver.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 October 2020 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          What are the access codes? It is quite enough for the first time to determine the operating frequencies and jam the communication signal with the control center. Better yet, for the Armenians it is most likely unattainable, to launch a rocket along the communication beam. It is quite possible to determine the coordinates of the command post and destroy it in one way or another. And already quite aerobatics, transmitting its information to the control center, crushing the drone's transceiver.

          When it occurs, it switches to another frequency, then to a third and so on ad infinitum
          1. Sergey Valov
            Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 20: 11
            +3
            The design of the antenna will determine the range of operating frequencies, and the entire range is primitively jammed. Of course, there are many nuances, but the principle remains the principle.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 25 October 2020 20: 20
              +5
              Quote: Sergey Valov
              The design of the antenna will determine the range of operating frequencies, and the entire range is primitively jammed.

              You get tired of jamming the entire range. The power spectral density needed is inhuman. It is difficult to jam communications organized on modern principles. For this, the institutions are working, and a lot of money is spent ... And for the development of such communication systems. And to develop on breaking this connection.
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 October 2020 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                It is difficult to jam communications organized on modern principles

                Not "difficult" but "impossible". Frequency hopping is not jammed. More precisely, white noise, which is impossible.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  Frequency hopping is not jammed.

                  And drones cannot be shot down ...
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 25 October 2020 20: 57
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Professor
                    Frequency hopping is not jammed.

                    And drones cannot be shot down ...

                    And you ask Shamanov. He will tell how the Russian paratroopers were powerless against the Georgian drones buzzing over their heads. Oh yes. Their shells were of the wrong system. In Armenia, too, is not the same system.
                    1. standan
                      standan 25 October 2020 22: 13
                      +3
                      Probably, Shamanov personally told you how Georgian drones plowed the Bolshoi Theater, uh-huh, there will be exile, or, as usual, farted into a puddle and ...
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 26 October 2020 10: 16
                        0
                        Quote: standan
                        Probably, Shamanov personally told you how Georgian drones plowed the Bolshoi Theater, uh-huh, there will be exile, or, as usual, farted into a puddle and ...

                        Fart into a puddle about yourself? You don't have to be so self-critical.

                        In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.
                        http://old.redstar.ru/2008/12/02_12/1_03.html
                      2. standan
                        standan 27 October 2020 13: 36
                        0
                        Article dated December 2, 2008. And a quote to the end, which they did not bring: "In the same Abkhaz direction, Georgian UAVs of Israeli production were regularly flying over the positions of our troops. And in most cases we had to put up with this. To shoot down these drones with the same Buk anti-aircraft missile system is too expensive, and the Strela portable anti-aircraft missile system does not "capture" it. The thermal radiation emanating from such a drone is too small for a thermal imager on this MANPADS. Well, the air defense means of airborne units - ZU-23 - were simply not enough for the UAVs flying at an altitude of about 3.000 meters. "
                      3. standan
                        standan 27 October 2020 13: 54
                        0
                        Not only did he not bring the entire quote to the end, but also edited it, why?
                        Fart into a puddle about yourself?
                        , no, still about you.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2020 20: 48
                        +1
                        We are convinced who spoils the air here. I washed you with a link. I cited this article here since 2012.
                        https://topwar.ru/16852-izrail-provel-sorevnovaniya-operatorov-dronov.html
                        Shamanov did not stutter about any Buki then. The original of the interview was published in the Bratishka Magazine. The article was called “Interlocutor: Vladimir Shamanov:“ To sharpen the army structure for today's wars. ”The original was deleted, but I still have a copy. In my personal collection. For people like you. wink

                        And yet, Shamanov told how the Russian paratroopers were powerless against the Georgian drones buzzing over their heads. Oh yes. Their shells were of the wrong system. This is expensive, it was not exciting, it was not enough ... wassat
                      5. standan
                        standan 27 October 2020 21: 29
                        0
                        In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.
                        http://old.redstar.ru/2008/12/02_12/1_03.html
                        Did you write? Follow your own link and wash yourself
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2020 21: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: standan
                        In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.
                        http://old.redstar.ru/2008/12/02_12/1_03.html
                        Did you write? Follow your own link and wash yourself

                        I wrote: "And you ask Shamanov. He will tell how the Russian paratroopers were powerless against the Georgian drones buzzing over their heads. Oh yes. Their shells were of the wrong system. In Armenia, too, is not the same system.“You, too, can ask Shamanov why the drones“ circled with impunity ”. lol
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  • ANB
    ANB 25 October 2020 20: 22
    +3
    ... The design of the antenna will determine the range of operating frequencies, and the entire range is primitively jammed

    But this is closer to the topic. It is useful to study any foreign technique.
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  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 October 2020 21: 36
    0
    Quote: Sergey Valov
    The design of the antenna will determine the range of operating frequencies, and the entire range is primitively jammed. Of course, there are many nuances, but the principle remains the principle.

    Is your connection jammed too? laughing
    Are we dropping the whole connection? )))
  • lucul
    lucul 25 October 2020 20: 14
    0
    When it occurs, it switches to another frequency, then to a third and so on ad infinitum

    And the jammer is next, isn't it? )))
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 October 2020 22: 34
      0
      Following, after recognition. And so on ad infinitum))
      1. lucul
        lucul 26 October 2020 07: 26
        +1
        Following, after recognition. And so on ad infinitum))

        So the window of opportunity is quite small? )))
        1. Operator
          Operator 26 October 2020 08: 04
          -2
          Electronic warfare is destroyed by the enemy primarily as a powerful source of radiation: it does not matter whether it is ground or air (UAV requires air). Then all the radars are destroyed, and only then the enemy proceeds to shoot armored vehicles, artillery, vehicles, etc. from the air.

          To combat UAVs, not electronic warfare equipment is needed, but an air defense system with passive opto-electronic detection and guidance: the reason is simple as a nail - the UAV is also equipped with only OEP and in case of cloudiness like moles are blind.

          A miniature video camera and a processor from a smartphone with an object recognition program installed as a seeker on an anti-aircraft missile with an inclined range of 14 km, coupled with a fragmentation warhead weighing 1 kg, make it possible to shoot down all types of UAVs from 10 to 1000 kg (the latter by a direct hit).

          In the first case, such an anti-aircraft missile can be a "Vikhr-M" supersonic ATGM with the installation of control equipment and launchers on a ground vehicle.

          After that, only UAVs weighing ~ 1 kg with a short range (~ 10 km) and flight altitude (~ 100 m) and, therefore, a narrow swath (~ 200 m) will remain in the air. It will be very convenient to shoot them down with the help of specialized small arms such as the Kalashnikov concern's parade-barreled machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 October 2020 08: 14
            +1
            Quote: Operator
            A miniature video camera and a processor from a smartphone with an object recognition program installed as a seeker on an anti-aircraft missile with an inclined range of 14 km, coupled with a fragmentation warhead weighing 1 kg, make it possible to shoot down all types of UAVs from 10 to 1000 kg (the latter by a direct hit).

            well, just like 2 fingers on the asphalt
            Quote: Operator
            It will be very convenient to shoot them down with the help of specialized small arms such as the Kalashnikov concern's parade-barreled machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber.

            request
            if you are so smart, why are you so poor?
            1. Operator
              Operator 26 October 2020 08: 20
              0
              There is not enough money for everything at once - first of all we spend on "you": nuclear weapons, GKR, SLBM, PKB, ICBM, NPA.
          2. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 26 October 2020 10: 26
            0
            Quote: Operator
            In the first case, such an anti-aircraft missile can be a "Vikhr-M" supersonic ATGM with the installation of control equipment and launchers on a ground vehicle.
            Will the Tiger pull 6 tons of rockets? 60 kg * 100 pieces
            1. Operator
              Operator 26 October 2020 10: 48
              -2
              I don't know, but three-axle domestic armored cars have already been presented on the basis of the Tiger or its analogues.

              The main thing is that the vertical launcher should be towed, since it has an unmasking feature (starting smoke from missiles). Therefore, it must be installed separately in an open caponier in position. And the "Tiger" itself can be driven into another caponier, connected with optical fiber to the PU, covered with a tarpaulin and covered with a layer of soil so that only a wide-angle video camera on the mast sticks out.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 October 2020 13: 37
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          Following, after recognition. And so on ad infinitum))

          So the window of opportunity is quite small? )))

          It seems to me that in order to defeat the Dron, it is not in this direction that we need to work. But I'm not an expert hi
  • Avior
    Avior 26 October 2020 01: 20
    0
    For your idea, you need to place the electronic warfare station in a straight line between the UAV and the control station.
    That is, the electronic warfare must be flying.
  • ANB
    ANB 25 October 2020 20: 20
    +3
    ... And they certainly won't find access codes there. wassat

    If they dig right, they will find it. Specifically from this UAV. Just what to do with them?
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 25 October 2020 19: 35
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    This makes it possible for the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from the reconnaissance UAV, as well as gain access to the code system when controlling the drone itself.

    Who is the author of this nonsense? What nafig "technologies"? It says how to make this drone? Are those processes described?
    A system for encoding and decoding information when transmitting it from a reconnaissance UAV? Seriously? Take an iPhone and hack it. What is the problem? Indeed, in the opinion of the author, once the device fell into the hands, then the technologies and coding systems, and OH GOD !!! codes fell into the hands. fool

    Professor, do not pay attention, these are the victims of the exam laughing
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 19: 52
    +2
    Rave!! No one talks about the construction, and it is quite possible to remove the parameters from the filling.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 20: 26
      +2
      You yourself mentioned the term technology, and this term implies construction / manufacture / production.
  • lucul
    lucul 25 October 2020 20: 03
    -5
    Who is the author of this nonsense? What nafig "technologies"? It says how to make this drone? Are those processes described?
    A system for encoding and decoding information when transmitting it from a reconnaissance UAV? Seriously?

    And what, can't the professor also speak nonsense? ))))
    Let me remind you that the V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass them further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets.
    But I understand, this is just your reaction to the "drone fall")))
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    2. Professor
      Professor 25 October 2020 20: 35
      +3
      Quote: lucul
      And what, can't the professor also speak nonsense? ))))
      Let me remind you that the V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass them further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets.
      But I understand, this is just your reaction to the "drone fall")))

      You have forgotten that the missiles also hit documents, technical documentation and even some specialists. Educational program.
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 October 2020 20: 42
        0
        You have forgotten that the missiles also hit documents, technical documentation and even some specialists. Educational program.

        Don't be ridiculous, Korolev himself said that there were 2 alloys in V-1500, and that even if you just copy them (alloys), it would take at least 20 years.
        So there they created everything of their own, took the principle of action as a basis.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 October 2020 20: 47
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          You have forgotten that the missiles also hit documents, technical documentation and even some specialists. Educational program.

          Don't be ridiculous, Korolev himself said that there were 2 alloys in V-1500, and that even if you just copy them (alloys), it would take at least 20 years.
          So there they created everything of their own, took the principle of action as a basis.

          Likbez.
          1. With the V-2, both documentation and specialists got to the USSR.
          2. There were no 1500 rafts.
          1. Liam
            Liam 25 October 2020 20: 50
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            1.With V-2 both documentation and specialists got to the USSR

            And factories and machines and workers
          2. lucul
            lucul 26 October 2020 07: 25
            -1
            Likbez.
            1. With the V-2, both documentation and specialists got to the USSR.
            2. There were no 1500 rafts.

            Proof that there is sufficient documentation for the production of missiles.
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 October 2020 10: 18
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              Likbez.
              1. With the V-2, both documentation and specialists got to the USSR.
              2. There were no 1500 rafts.

              Proof that there is sufficient documentation for the production of missiles.

              Are you pushing the word "sufficient" or "documentation"? Documentation and specialists ended up in the USSR and this is a fact. So the statement “I remind you, V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass it further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets."is false. Secrets passed.
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      2. deniso
        deniso 25 October 2020 20: 48
        +6
        Our Helmut Gröttrup got. But this was enough to be the first to enter space.
        1. standan
          standan 27 October 2020 13: 48
          0
          First of all, Korolev was
    3. poquello
      poquello 25 October 2020 21: 20
      +4
      Quote: lucul
      Let me remind you that the V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass them further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets

      those live rockets and a crowd of captured missilemen do not channel for the transfer), but about "a little time" this is a completely different story -
      the first gdl in the USSR was organized in 1921, the first rocket in 1930, and the first rocket flew in 1939, and the shape of p5 is somewhat different from p1, p2
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 October 2020 21: 42
      -1
      Quote: lucul

      And what, can't the professor also speak nonsense? ))))
      Let me remind you that the V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass them further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets.
      But I understand, this is just your reaction to the "drone fall")))

      wassat M-dya. There is a little difference. In the filling.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 25 October 2020 22: 00
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        M-dya. There is a little difference. In the filling

        It has long been known that R-7s were assembled on their knees by Tajik guest workers from scraps of water pipes and the remains of Me-262 engines ...
        fellow
    5. stone
      stone 26 October 2020 17: 29
      0
      Yes, that dronefall still. It is scary to watch the Harop fall on people and equipment!
  • Pechkin
    Pechkin 25 October 2020 20: 16
    +4
    Professor do not destroy people's dreams, I just thought that I have a samsung smartphone and I will now study its technologies. I will create my own company and become a billionaire. Don't be so.
  • hrych
    hrych 25 October 2020 20: 18
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    OH MY GOD!!!

    Don't take the Lord in vain! IPhones are successfully hacked on the "bring". A lot of useful things in a captured drone. IR detectors, target illumination system, receiving and transmitting equipment, ADC-DAC units. All this is well studied and used in counteraction. And don't be so nervous wassat
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 October 2020 20: 37
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      Quote: Professor
      OH MY GOD!!!

      Don't take the Lord in vain! IPhones are successfully hacked on the "bring". A lot of useful things in a captured drone. IR detectors, target illumination system, receiving and transmitting equipment, ADC-DAC units. All this is well studied and used in counteraction. And don't be so nervous wassat

      Hrych, are you casting a shadow on the fence again? This drone can simply be bought with all the guts from the manufacturer. What's all this circus for?
      1. hrych
        hrych 25 October 2020 20: 58
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        This drone can simply be bought with all the guts from the manufacturer. What's all this circus for?

        Why buy when he got it for free? The circus had an Exocet rocket, which the Israelis bought through bribes in Lat. America and gutted it. What didn't they just buy from the French?
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 October 2020 21: 01
          +3
          Quote: hrych
          Quote: Professor
          This drone can simply be bought with all the guts from the manufacturer. What's all this circus for?

          Why buy when he got it for free? The circus had an Exocet rocket, which the Israelis bought through bribes in Lat. America and gutted it. What didn't they just buy from the French?

          The French did not sell, we will not only sell the drone with instructions, but also with the control center.
          1. hrych
            hrych 25 October 2020 21: 07
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            but also with the control room

            In-in and in addition to the vegetable base. A captured drone will be enough.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 October 2020 21: 45
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              Quote: Professor
              but also with the control room

              In-in and in addition to the vegetable base. A captured drone will be enough.

              Not enough. It was enough to have a license for the production of the Outpost
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 20: 53
    -2
    The reaction is as if the B-52 was at least shot down, and not a semi-civilian maize.
  • genisis
    genisis 25 October 2020 23: 49
    0
    Today 747 of the SilkWay company departed from Tel Aviv to Baku. The company, which belongs to the daughters of Aliyev, and at the same time smuggled Bulgarian weapons to the Syrian barmaley.
    I wanted to ask if they came for the mango? Or is the mango already over and now there will be guava or sweets?
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 October 2020 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: genisis
      Today 747 of the SilkWay company departed from Tel Aviv to Baku. The company, which belongs to the daughters of Aliyev, and at the same time smuggled Bulgarian weapons to the Syrian barmaley.
      I wanted to ask if they came for the mango? Or is the mango already over and now there will be guava or sweets?

      The avocado season is just beginning.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 25 October 2020 19: 24
    -4
    Tnz. "MO HK" sploshno gashish kurit?
    Statia polniy bred.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 19: 27
    +1
    A reliable cryptosystem does not need the encryption algorithm to be secret. And encryption keys are easy to change.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 19: 53
      0
      There is always a key or a master key for any lock. It is a matter of time and professionalism of employees. A jammer is also suitable for the extreme.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 19: 56
        0
        Quote: Sergey Valov
        There is always a key or a master key for any lock.


        Sure. You will only have to search until the thermal death of the Universe. Or buy a quantum computer.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 20: 12
          +2
          You are a pessimist.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 20: 16
            +1
            Modern cryptosystems cannot be hacked head-on - only through vulnerabilities. But I doubt that exploitable vulnerabilities can be found in military systems.
        2. lucul
          lucul 25 October 2020 20: 17
          -1
          Sure. You will only have to search until the thermal death of the Universe. Or buy a quantum computer.

          I beg you))) is there a 512-bit code applied? ))))
          So I see the UAV operator driving a 512-digit number into the control password without errors)))
          1. Sergey Valov
            Sergey Valov 25 October 2020 20: 22
            +2
            I did not write that it would be easy.
          2. Avior
            Avior 26 October 2020 01: 32
            +2
            Or simply inserting a USB flash drive with a written code.
            1. lucul
              lucul 26 October 2020 07: 29
              0
              Or simply inserting a USB flash drive with a written code.

              And which will change every day, and every day drive in a new 512-digit number)))
              1. Avior
                Avior 26 October 2020 08: 03
                +1
                Or choose the desired code from the previously automatically generated and recorded on the USB flash drive.
                Or, even more simply, it is randomly generated and recorded directly during the preparation of the UAV for flight.
                hi
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 25 October 2020 19: 33
    +3
    It is strange that many leading Armenians (and just ordinary people) themselves say Karabakh, incl. N. Pashinyan in an interview with foreign channels, and here the author of "well-wishers" from VO calls Azerbaijani Karabakh some kind of Iranian anachronism Artsakh)) Striving to look more Catholic than the Pope?))
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 19: 34
    +2
    I suppose, patriot, Miss "Pencil" (with respect) threw off the "correct" specialists and they purchased and used "correct" equipment to suppress the UAV
    PS purely my opinion.
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 19: 36
    +9
    Quote: Observer2014
    This makes it possible the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from a reconnaissance UAV,
    Agree these lines sound powerful, especially about studying the technologies used by the Armenian side bully

    Do you think Armenia lives in the 19th century?
  • Soko
    Soko 25 October 2020 19: 37
    19
    In principle, an almost serviceable UAV was only a matter of time, given such massive use.
  • deniso
    deniso 25 October 2020 19: 39
    +2
    Practice shows that against UAVs, etc. the method of struggle is the same as against the coronavirus.
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 19: 42
    +2
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    Without damage from "air defense fire", it means that the electronic warfare systems work, without attack UAVs - the pressure of Azerbaijan's land forces decreases and the activity of cannon artillery and MLRS increases, which are actively hitting areas (in peaceful).

    Whatever one may say, but the UAV is an expensive pleasure, they caught up with fear and further on the classic smile
    PS emoticon is not appropriate, but litter could not resist
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 25 October 2020 19: 45
    0
    "This makes it possible for the Armenian side to study the technologies used and, more importantly, the system of encoding and decoding information used by the Azerbaijani troops during its transmission from the reconnaissance UAV, as well as gain access to the code system when controlling the drone itself." Something is not observed in Karabakh and Armenia of a radio engineering research institute for such work.
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 19: 47
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    By the way, I predicted this a week ago. And he wrote that Azerbaijan will switch to the practice of creating RUKs as part of reconnaissance UAVs and artillery units.

    But local Experts, apologists for the religious cult "a shock drone is a wunderwaffe," then instructed me to minus, trying thereby to defeat reality. laughing

    Hello, what do you expect?
    The first thrust of drone UAVs, further target designation from "birds" and art, not cheaper and more productive?
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 25 October 2020 20: 04
      +2
      Almost all the Armenian artillery was destroyed by the UAV, there is nothing to conduct counter-battery combat, so the artillery entered the business with search, aiming and adjustment of fire using reconnaissance drones. As in the textbooks that will then be written after the war. Moreover, the stake was made on self-propelled artillery.
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 October 2020 20: 20
        0
        Almost all the Armenian artillery was destroyed by the UAV, there is nothing to conduct counter-battery combat, so the artillery entered the business with search, aiming and adjustment of fire using reconnaissance drones.

        So if everything is destroyed, it means that the Azerbaijani troops should have entered Karabakh by an easy walk, no? )))
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 25 October 2020 21: 00
          +5
          Artillery and air defense have been defeated, but for an easy walk it is necessary to break strong points, pillboxes, bunkers, etc. They will not be stormed by infantry or "Turkish special forces" and "Syrian militants". For this there is artillery, the god of war. Aviation is expensive to use, and there are no longer any goals for it. The time has come for barrel artillery. RZSO will not be used especially, if only with the aim of preventing the movement of troops in open areas. The Azerbaijani army has mastered the non-contact method of warfare well.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 49
        +4
        Quote: Konnick
        Almost all Armenian artillery was destroyed by UAVs, there is nothing to conduct counter-battery warfare

        laughing
        I do not think that the reason is the low training of Azerbaijani artillery and its inability to resist counter-battery.

        Quote: Konnick
        Like textbooks that will then be written after the war

        They were written back in 1982, after the Lebanese War. As far as I know, then for the first time UAVs were used to control the fire of cannon and rocket artillery.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 12
      +2
      Quote: tarakan
      First thrust drums UAV

      But why?
      The reconnaissance UAV is practically unlimited in ammunition.
      With the same weight as the "drummer", he can carry orders of magnitude more advanced reconnaissance equipment.
      At cost, an attack UAV can replace a "swarm" of reconnaissance drones, which will have a very positive effect on vulnerability to air defense systems.
      Even having lost direct communication with the UAV, RUK can continue to fire, using previously received data.
      Well and so on ....
      Reconnaissance and strike systems are much cheaper than strike UAVs. With at least no less efficiency
      1. Avior
        Avior 26 October 2020 01: 38
        0
        The attack drone is quicker to react and can operate at deeper enemy defenses.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 October 2020 13: 11
          0
          Quote: Avior
          Attack drone responds faster

          Why?
          Here's a beloved Turkish strike drone, for example. MAM-C flies to a maximum range of 8 km 80 seconds.
          A self-propelled gun firing with a Whale Catcher. 30 sec. to open fire, flight in 50 seconds is about 14 km.

          And at the same time, a Turkish drone, having fired at 4 targets, will be forced to fly to a distant airfield.
          And the reconnaissance ... until they shoot down, or in a day. If we are talking about a scout in the shock price segment.
          1. Avior
            Avior 26 October 2020 14: 58
            +1
            A self-propelled gun must first enter the firing position.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 October 2020 15: 00
              0
              Quote: Avior
              A self-propelled gun must first enter the firing position.

              ??
              What for?
              It is already there, ready to fire. And will change position after the shot.
              1. Avior
                Avior 26 October 2020 15: 51
                +1
                Then, it is not known where and when the UAV will detect the target.
                And it is not known whether it will be possible to shoot from this position or if it needs to be changed.
                In addition, a weapon that is openly in position is also a target for the enemy.
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 26 October 2020 18: 50
                  0
                  The gun stands in a closed position and the radius of its firing with the corrected ammunition is known ... In addition, similar ammunition will appear at the Tornado-S with a firing radius of about 150 km. They have already been tested and even considered the issue of adopting them ... Impact The UAV is for fighting partisans and backward armies and it is very expensive and irrational ... And we have "gray inhabitants" on the forum are praying for it ....
                  A conventional reconnaissance UAV in conjunction with artillery systems and MLRS is much more effective ...
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 26 October 2020 23: 09
                    +2
                    Read carefully, self-propelled guns were discussed.
                    What you are writing about will greatly raise the cost of weapons, bringing them up to the price of an attack UAV.
                    Strike - for point special purposes - radar, air defense systems, other important targets, primarily in the depth of defense.
                    For mass targets in the area of ​​the front line, a bunch of reconnaissance and self-propelled guns is more convenient.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 27 October 2020 16: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  Then, it is not known where and when the UAV will detect the target.

                  And do you think that the artillery, while waiting for targets, fights in circles, stopping before each fire raid? laughing
                  No, that doesn't work like that.
                  Obtaining a target, fire raid, anti-fire maneuver over a relatively short distance. And waiting for the next fire mission
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 27 October 2020 18: 22
                    0
                    If you read my posts in the thread, it is obvious that I think something completely different.
                    There is a camouflaged vehicle, it receives the target designation of the UAV, moves to the required position, strikes, and leaves again under disguise in anticipation of the next target designation
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 27 October 2020 19: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Avior
                      There is a camouflaged vehicle, it receives the target designation of the UAV, moves to the required position, strikes, and leaves again under disguise in anticipation of the next target designation

                      Actually
                      "A camouflaged vehicle is standing at a firing position, receives a firing mission from the PUPD or from a special forces, strikes, moves to a new firing position during a counterfire maneuver, where it expects to receive a new firing mission. If possible, camouflaging, specifying the coordinates of the position and the orientation of the gun, replenishing bookmakers, etc. "
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 27 October 2020 19: 55
                        +1
                        No, actually differently
                        However, your option is possible if the enemy does not offer resistance.
                        Or the whole technique will end quickly
                        But in any case, zeroing is needed, and this time
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2020 20: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        However, your option is possible

                        He is not "possible", he is the only true

                        Quote: Avior
                        if the enemy does not offer resistance.

                        laughing
                        Maybe the other way around?
                        And then somehow it sounds completely stupid "we reduce the reaction time if the enemy does not resist"

                        Quote: Avior
                        But in any case, zeroing is needed

                        Remember: since the Second World War, the main method is complete preparation.
                        And shortened with zeroing only when the conditions cannot be fully met. This is the basics.

                        And just exactly zeroing is possible when "the enemy does not offer resistance." If there is an active counter-battery, then neither zeroing nor even correcting fire during firing to kill is carried out. There is no time for this.
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 27 October 2020 20: 32
                        +1
                        Or maybe you should read the thread first, what is it about?
                        It was about why strike drones.
                        Here they are just needed to quickly hit a target with guided munitions.
                        Artillery with reconnaissance and UAV spotters will not work so quickly and reliably
                        Well, you continue to argue about what is unknown. I will not interfere.
                        hi
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2020 20: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        Or maybe you should read the thread first, what is it about?

                        Specifically here we are talking about intelligence. UAVs that can cause artillery fire, air and missile strikes at any moment. Moreover, with the highest fire performance, inaccessible to an attack UAV.
                        And this is their clear advantage.

                        Quote: Avior
                        Artillery with reconnaissance and UAV spotters will not work so quickly and reliably

                        Again for the fish money ... Our song is good, start over ...

                        I have already given an example of what happens. And you couldn't refute it in any way.

                        Quote: Avior
                        Well, you continue to argue about what is unknown

                        laughing
                        There are no arguments, even stupid ones. Like the impossibility of opening fire with pre-occupied firing or the impossibility of shooting without zeroing.

                        Therefore, you decided to overturn the board
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 27 October 2020 20: 56
                        +1
                        You have not given any arguments, even stupid ones.
                        No examples were given either.
                        The fact that the counter-battery fight is carried out without zeroing is obvious, so that they do not have time to change their position, but this does not give a guarantee of defeat, this is a necessary measure.
                        and it was not at all about counter-battery combat.
                        And the most important advantage of the UAV is precisely the ability to adjust the shooting.
                        As for the experience of the war, I have an instruction to the artillerymen just following its results, my grandfather was demobilized after the war, brought it as a keepsake.
                        Fire performance - who can argue?
                        But the strike UAV provides accuracy, efficiency and reliability of destruction due to the rapid use of guided ammunition, high fire performance is simply not required.
                        I told you all these obvious things from the outset, but you are simply pounding water in a mortar, without refuting my statements, clogging up communication with arguments and information that have nothing to do with the issue.
                        If you want to do this, I'm not going to disturb you, but I do not want to waste my time on this.
                        If you want to do it, do it.
                        Good Luck!
                        hi
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2020 21: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        You did not give any arguments

                        Reading problems
                        What is incomprehensible to you in this phrase?
                        Here's a beloved Turkish strike drone, for example. MAM-C flies to a maximum range of 8 km 80 seconds.
                        A self-propelled gun firing with a Whale Catcher. 30 sec. to open fire, flight in 50 seconds is about 14 km.


                        Quote: Avior
                        The fact that the counter-battery fight is carried out without sighting

                        Well, you definitely don't know how.
                        In fact, we are talking about the fact that when a counter-battery is being waged against you, zeroing in and adjusting fire during firing to kill is virtually impossible.

                        Or does it not make much difference for you, do you shoot, or do they shoot at you?


                        Quote: Avior
                        But the strike UAV provides accuracy, efficiency and reliability of destruction due to the rapid use of guided ammunition, high fire performance is simply not required.

                        laughing
                        Enchanting. Masha was in a white dress and therefore did not know how to weave wreaths.

                        High fire performance is generally needed to defeat group targets. The majority of them in modern warfare.
                        For example, a column. Theoretically, with the correct organization, RUK from art. subunits and reconnaissance UAV can destroy it completely. And the strike UAV is not a fact that even the entire small ammo will be able to use

                        As for "accuracy, efficiency and reliability" - try to prove that hitting a target with MAM-C is "more accurate, quicker and more reliable" than hitting "Krasnopol" or "Klevk". And I will laugh. wassat


                        Quote: Avior
                        you just pound water in a mortar, without refuting my statements

                        Gee .....
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 25 October 2020 20: 26
    0
    Unless in transit, the wreckage of this UAV will end up in the laboratories of the Russian Federation. Study - yes, but quickly find opposition? But in any case, a useful trophy. Produced by Turks \ Azeri?
    1. Errr
      Errr 26 October 2020 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: xomaNN
      Produced by Turks \ Azeri?
      Israel. Skylark 3 from Elbit Systems.
      1. xomaNN
        xomaNN 26 October 2020 18: 22
        0
        It seemed to me that they themselves began to rivet such amateur UAVs
        1. Errr
          Errr 26 October 2020 18: 47
          0
          Skylark 3 and in the IDF was adopted only in the summer of 2017. As far as I know, its production anywhere outside of Israel is still not licensed. By the way, it looks like the national army of Azerbaijan is the first and so far the only foreign operator of this UAV. It may well be that the Azerbaijanis ordered the first Skylark 3 back in 2016, having familiarized themselves with it at the Singapore Airshow 2016, since they had nothing of the kind in terms of performance characteristics.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 20: 34
    +1
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    Without damage from "air defense fire" means the electronic warfare systems are working

    Or the fuel ran out ... laughing
    1. Errr
      Errr 26 October 2020 10: 28
      0
      There is an electric motor. smile
      Skylark 3 was first presented by Elbit on 10.02.16. At the same time it was reported that there was already an order for this UAV, who the client was not indicated. According to the publication of May 2016, Skylark 1 will be called Rokhev Shamayim-10 in the IDF, and Skylark 3 will be called Rokhev Shamayim-20 (thus the name SHANI is no longer used; by the way, in 2013 the name Doher Shamayim ”, but apparently it was also abandoned). At the same time it was reported that the IDF had already ordered 3 such systems, which should go into service in late 2016 - early 2017, and the first one already in November 2016.
      Skylark 3 is based on the Skylark I-LEX. The UAV is launched from a pneumatic catapult, made in the form of a towed trailer (at the customer's request, it can be self-propelled, in a jeep or a small truck), landing - a parachute and an inflatable air cushion. In this case, the UAV is oriented "belly up" to prevent damage to electro-optical equipment. Skylark 3's controls are very similar to Skylark I, moreover, the same control console is used for both UAVs. The engine is electric, which gives the UAV a very low acoustic signature.
      A source: https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/19797.html
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 October 2020 20: 37
    +3
    Turkish f16 at Gabala airbase.
    Snapshot dated October 19.

    From Colonel Kassad.
    1. Otshelnik
      Otshelnik 25 October 2020 20: 42
      -3
      Lol ... m 346)) a ruler in hand and measure the wing, u f 15 ma and 346 11,5 ... good luck))
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 25 October 2020 20: 46
        +1
        Your luck with the photo in Ganja was defeated.
        This is not an Italian device, namely the f16.
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 25 October 2020 20: 56
      -1
      You don't need to look for them from the photo. President Aliyev said in an interview (a couple of weeks ago) that after the joint exercises, the Turkish F-16s remained in our airports, but they do not participate in hostilities, they are on the ground (literally so)
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 25 October 2020 20: 38
    -2
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157890312577914&id=695422913
  • agoran
    agoran 25 October 2020 20: 40
    0
    Hmm, well, judging by the photo, almost a whole UAV.
    Do you really think that the Nagorno-Karabakh Army can land it on its own?
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 20: 51
      -2
      The operator could have landed him.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 October 2020 20: 51
      +3
      Quote: agoran
      Do you really think that the Nagorno-Karabakh Army can land it on its own?

      I really think that even our own operators could have landed it.
      1. agoran
        agoran 25 October 2020 21: 02
        0
        What's the point? Ideally, there should be a self-destruct s-ma when taking control.
        Something like that.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 25 October 2020 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: agoran
          What's the point?

          Wrong.
          Quote: agoran
          s-ma self-destruction

          There, and so every gram counts.
          1. agoran
            agoran 25 October 2020 21: 10
            0
            Come on. Fire cartridge for blasting the block friend or foe 4,7 / 79 mm.
        2. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 22: 12
          0
          If he sat down as a result of operator error, what kind of interception are we talking about?
          1. agoran
            agoran 25 October 2020 22: 26
            0
            Well, look, you are a drone operator, albeit a simple Chinese one, you made a mistake with remote control, but there is a return "home".
            What is the operator error?
            Here either drone or software or operator.
            Well, it's more likely that the drone has landed.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 22: 31
              +1
              If, as a result of my mistake, the drone has entered the ground, the command "home" will not help it.

              Quote: agoran
              Well, it's more likely that the drone has landed.


              To land, you need to intercept the control channel. I think this is the most unlikely reason.
              1. agoran
                agoran 25 October 2020 22: 46
                0
                You see, what is the matter, I was investigating plane crashes, and so, not a single c-t was in such a state.
                Moreover, taking into account the soil in Karabakh. In northern Germany, the engine from the MiG-27 went into the ground by 29 meters.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 22: 52
                  0
                  Quote: agoran
                  You see what's the matter, I was involved in the investigation of plane crashes


                  Plane crashes of light propeller-driven UAVs?
                  1. agoran
                    agoran 25 October 2020 22: 57
                    0
                    It's even somehow silly to answer, well, try to extrapolate the Light UAV and the IBA st.
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 23: 00
                      0
                      You said that you were investigating accidents, and the MiG-27 was just one accident. What other disasters you investigated, I have no idea, and therefore I ask.

                      Quote: agoran
                      try to extrapolate


                      Single point extrapolation is not possible.
                      1. agoran
                        agoran 25 October 2020 23: 06
                        -1
                        Hmm, did you take the exam?
                        And what about the resistance?
                      2. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 23: 21
                        0
                        Now your answer is clear.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 October 2020 20: 53
    +4
    Quote: lucul
    Let me remind you that the V-2 rockets fell into our hands in 1945, and it took quite a bit of time to create their analogue and surpass them further))) Although no one gave us any secrets and technologies for the production of V-XNUMX rockets.

    We didn't just fall into the hands of the FAU, we got the documentation, we got the designers. And even then we faced the problem that many of the materials used in the FAA were not produced in the USSR.
    In addition, we had a rocket science SCHOOL. Even if not as developed as in Germany, but nonetheless. And what technologies can you get if you got a sample of weapons without documentation? I think that in this case show-off: "We got technology"
    1. agoran
      agoran 25 October 2020 21: 26
      +2
      Everything is complicated there with materials science.
      It was necessary to create materials and rubber goods, to-rykh in the USSR was not, everything was done, not at a run, but done.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 25 October 2020 21: 07
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    I do not think that the reason is the low training of Azerbaijani artillery and its inability to resist counter-battery.

    Why put yourself at risk. Remember Guderian, his interaction with the aviation, which suppressed artillery with impunity and allowed tanks to break through the defenses. The Maginot Line was defeated by dive bombers. And the German artillery smashed the anti-aircraft batteries.
    1. agoran
      agoran 25 October 2020 21: 46
      +2
      Actually, the Hans bypassed the Maginot Line, do you have a new interpretation of history?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 26 October 2020 05: 35
        +1
        No, the usual interpretation, but more complete. Tanks bypassed through the Ardennes, at the suggestion of Manstein, but the Maginot Line was still defeated, the Germans were greatly disturbed during the blitzkrieg by the long-range artillery located on the Maginot Line. The Maginot Line was broken through by von Leeb's troops, with one infantry, but with the help of aviation and artillery, on the same day, simultaneously with the capture of Paris. At the beginning of WW II, the Wehrmacht had little powerful artillery, so they had the interchangeability of aviation and artillery. The question was about counter-battery combat, and I gave an example from World War II. There is practically no such struggle in Karabakh, the Armenian batteries were destroyed in the same way as 2 years ago in France by air strikes, but the long-term defense structures of Karabakh were provided to artillery, it will be cynically said, it is cheaper, but longer.
  • genisis
    genisis 25 October 2020 21: 46
    0
    Quote: Alena-Baku
    https://armenianreport.com/ru/pubs/262072/
    Interestingly, here is the Armenian source.

    I wonder who reads your footcloths?
    The fact that this site is fake has been known since 2019.
  • Status
    Status 25 October 2020 21: 58
    0
    What else is Artsakh? Is it not customary to use internationally accepted names on the site?
  • tarakan
    tarakan 25 October 2020 21: 59
    0
    [quote = Pechkin] Professor do not destroy people's dreams, I just thought that I have a samsung smartphone and I will now study its technologies. I’ll create my own company and become a billionaire. Do not.
    The question of hacking your samsung, believe me, any device breaks
  • Fon elia
    Fon elia 25 October 2020 22: 25
    +2
    I don't know about drones, but Azerbaijan took over the regional center of Gubadly. And several settlements in other areas.
  • certero
    certero 25 October 2020 22: 38
    +2
    Quote: hydrox
    The Yerevan Research Institute was the FIRST to create a computing complex of the then most advanced structure Elbrus (made for the "Dead Hand"), which had no equal in the world, including the products of the famous IBM?

    We compared the ass to the finger. Then Armenia was part of the powerful Soviet Union. Therefore, this scientific research institute of the Soviet Union made a discovery.
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  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 26 October 2020 00: 05
    0
    It would be nice if everything was so and these shot down UAVs were not random trophies, but the systematic work of air defense.
  • Old26
    Old26 26 October 2020 02: 00
    +3
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    It would be nice if everything was so and these shot down UAVs were not random trophies, but the systematic work of air defense.

    What air defense? The one that doesn't reach the altitude of these drones? And with the massive use of drones by Azerbaijan, of course, there will be shot down, and more than a dozen. But this is not a systematic air defense work. Systemic is when they would clear the sky of drones

    Quote: Operator
    When replacing the infrared seeker of the rocket with a video camera with the function of target image recognition (just like faces are recognized in smartphones), any UAV gets lost with a bang.

    And who made this replacement? Are the Armenian Kulibins really?
    1. Avior
      Avior 26 October 2020 08: 07
      +1
      They have not yet been carried out by any Kulibins.
      It is expensive to use such technologies for MANPADS.
  • Oleg Kievlyanin
    Oleg Kievlyanin 26 October 2020 18: 58
    0
    There can also our funds REB. Well, nada somewhere to train
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 27 October 2020 19: 17
    -1
    Looks like a joke on Armenian radio